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I'm gonna see an Thursday through Sunday night, so I'm gonnas and weekend.

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You know what, have you seen the movie Hall Pass?

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You got to see that. Owen Owen Wilson, Yeah, and a couple other guys. It's it's a great movie. You will laugh out loud some.

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The top ten NFL teams according to College well Tech.

The top ten NFL teams according to College well Tech.

If they beat the Saints, they can clinch their four straight division title. I've said it. I like their personnel. Baker Mayfield leads the NFL and touchdown passes over the last two years since he joined the Bucks. They're a big play offense with excellent running backs. Jason Light's a great GM. They've always got talent. When they've had good quarterback play like Brady and Baker, they can play with anybody. Five and one over their last six games, blew the Chargers out. That was a real eye opener. I don't think they can hoist a trophy, but they could certainly host a playoff game and knock off an injury riddle Detroit if possible. Bucks at ten, number nine, I'm gonna go Rams. They're offensive sluggishness in the first half is hard to explain. But their defense is really good and young, and it's getting better. They've held opponents under twenty points in three straight games. Matthew Stafford's having a very good year over his last seven games of passer rating a one ozh five. They're a little puka nukua dependent, so I don't think they're a trophy team, but I have them at nine number eight. I would put the Chargers at eight because they're quarterbacks younger at can run, and I think that mobility is the difference between the two teams, justin Herbert ninety nine passer rating hyper efficient, never reckless, big with mobility. That gives them a slight edge in my opinion over the Rams. Also, five of their six losses have come to good teams the Chiefs, a couple of times, Ravens, Buccaneers. They're losing to the right teams. I have them an eight number seven the Packers. I thought the Packers could hoist a trophy, but they're zero to five against the Lions, the Vikings, and the Eagles. They're eleven to zero against everybody else. So they're a bully against average to pretty good teams. They're not gonna they're not gonna They're not gonna beat your Ravens. They're not gonna beat your Chiefs Bills. That's not who they are. Six straight games without a giveaway, though, and I think that's coaching in Matt Lafleur. They have taken some attempts away from Jordan Love. They don't turn it over. They're kind of a power run team. I have the Packers at seven, number six, but you know, Lamar Jackson's better than Jordan Love in my opinion, so I have them at six, second largest rushing differential in a season in league history. They remain a run teams A Flowers and Mark Andrews allows them to pass as well. But number one scoring defense, number one total defense since week eleven. You know, I love this organization. Kind of holding your breath on what they look like in the January playoffs. But the Ravens at six, number five. I thought Sam Darnold was amazing. I got him at five. They're tied for the most takeaways in the league this year at thirty one. That is the Brian Flores factor. The fact that Brian Floores isn't front and center for everybody from the Bears job to the Saints job. This defense does not have elite personnel, but they're putting up elite takeaway stacks. That's a Brian Flores factor. By the way, Sam Donald's the first quarterback in league history to win fourteen games in his first season with a new team. Even Tom Brady did not do that. Maybe Donald is better than Brady when you think about it. Number four. Number four Detroit stacked roster offensively, falling apart defensively. But I mean they have five games this year with forty or more points than no turnovers. I mean, pretty easy for them. They're clever, they can play power run. They're getting Montgomery back four straight games for three plus touchdown passes. I think we all know the story on them. If they were healthy, they could win the Super Bowl. But we don't trust their defense going forward. Number three Philadelphia. They're eleven to zero when Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown play the number one total defense, they allow four point eight yards of play, So that's pretty good in the NFL and this day and age, four point eight yards of play. Their O line and D line combination is the best in the NFL. They got a great GM and they got a roster to show for it. Do I worry about the concussion. I would worry about it if it was in two weeks. I don't worry about it now. I have them at number three, Number two the Bills. The Bills have cut down on given the football away. They only have eight giveaways and they've only allowed fourteen sacks. So we always like Buffalo, but we thought, yeah, they'll beat themselves. Well, they don't beat themselves this year. They don't turn it over, they don't give you sack, don't have a lot of negative plays, and they do it without a single thousand yard rusher or thousand yard receivers. So they are still somewhat too reliant on Josh Allen. But you know what, I like James Cook, I like Kenkaid Dawson Knox. I like their receiving corps. Coleman's getting better. I got at two. Number one, same old Chiefs, best coach, best defensive coordinator, best quarterback, and arguably the best defensive lineman, Chris Jones. Let's just say this, it's the same team we've seen, except I think it's a better offensive version it always since Tyreek Hill left. It's a lot of patchwork at receiver. That's what they've been for three years now. And now they got Hollywood brown back. They wish they had Rashi Rice, but that'll do. And Worthies become a real player and Travis Kelsey this is what they do because they play mahomes what they pay him. And they lost Tyreek Hill. This is the one unit they've tried to kind of figure out and bring in a guy for a year and this guy over there. But you know what, third team in NFL history to go six straight games without a without a turnover, So that's very rare. So you get all the upside and not a lot of the downside. Best situational team in football and that's that's not even arguable, although I will say Detroit on third down and fourth down with Ben Johnson, you know a coach, you know a team is rolling when they go to the red zone in the congested area. Remember Andy Read a couple of years the old in Super Bowl, they in the congested area, sky Moore is wide open. Like you know, you have a good offensive scheme, and this is what Shanahan does. Does anybody guard George Kittle or is he just opened by twenty yards on every play? So let's bring in Nick Right, co hosts First Things First, he is now joining US Live. You know last week you almost complimented me on the on the top ten. Anything bothery you?

If they beat the Saints, they can clinch their four straight division title. I've said it. I like their personnel. Baker Mayfield leads the NFL and touchdown passes over the last two years since he joined the Bucks. They're a big play offense with excellent running backs. Jason Light's a great GM. They've always got talent. When they've had good quarterback play like Brady and Baker, they can play with anybody. Five and one over their last six games, blew the Chargers out. That was a real eye opener. I don't think they can hoist a trophy, but they could certainly host a playoff game and knock off an injury riddle Detroit if possible. Bucks at ten, number nine, I'm gonna go Rams. They're offensive sluggishness in the first half is hard to explain. But their defense is really good and young, and it's getting better. They've held opponents under twenty points in three straight games. Matthew Stafford's having a very good year over his last seven games of passer rating a one ozh five. They're a little puka nukua dependent, so I don't think they're a trophy team, but I have them at nine number eight. I would put the Chargers at eight because they're quarterbacks younger at can run, and I think that mobility is the difference between the two teams, justin Herbert ninety nine passer rating hyper efficient, never reckless, big with mobility. That gives them a slight edge in my opinion over the Rams. Also, five of their six losses have come to good teams the Chiefs, a couple of times, Ravens, Buccaneers. They're losing to the right teams. I have them an eight number seven the Packers. I thought the Packers could hoist a trophy, but they're zero to five against the Lions, the Vikings, and the Eagles. They're eleven to zero against everybody else. So they're a bully against average to pretty good teams. They're not gonna they're not gonna They're not gonna beat your Ravens. They're not gonna beat your Chiefs Bills. That's not who they are. Six straight games without a giveaway, though, and I think that's coaching in Matt Lafleur. They have taken some attempts away from Jordan Love. They don't turn it over. They're kind of a power run team. I have the Packers at seven, number six, but you know, Lamar Jackson's better than Jordan Love in my opinion, so I have them at six, second largest rushing differential in a season in league history. They remain a run teams A Flowers and Mark Andrews allows them to pass as well. But number one scoring defense, number one total defense since week eleven. You know, I love this organization. Kind of holding your breath on what they look like in the January playoffs. But the Ravens at six, number five. I thought Sam Darnold was amazing. I got him at five. They're tied for the most takeaways in the league this year at thirty one. That is the Brian Flores factor. The fact that Brian Floores isn't front and center for everybody from the Bears job to the Saints job. This defense does not have elite personnel, but they're putting up elite takeaway stacks. That's a Brian Flores factor. By the way, Sam Donald's the first quarterback in league history to win fourteen games in his first season with a new team. Even Tom Brady did not do that. Maybe Donald is better than Brady when you think about it. Number four. Number four Detroit stacked roster offensively, falling apart defensively. But I mean they have five games this year with forty or more points than no turnovers. I mean, pretty easy for them. They're clever, they can play power run. They're getting Montgomery back four straight games for three plus touchdown passes. I think we all know the story on them. If they were healthy, they could win the Super Bowl. But we don't trust their defense going forward. Number three Philadelphia. They're eleven to zero when Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown play the number one total defense, they allow four point eight yards of play, So that's pretty good in the NFL and this day and age, four point eight yards of play. Their O line and D line combination is the best in the NFL. They got a great GM and they got a roster to show for it. Do I worry about the concussion. I would worry about it if it was in two weeks. I don't worry about it now. I have them at number three, Number two the Bills. The Bills have cut down on given the football away. They only have eight giveaways and they've only allowed fourteen sacks. So we always like Buffalo, but we thought, yeah, they'll beat themselves. Well, they don't beat themselves this year. They don't turn it over, they don't give you sack, don't have a lot of negative plays, and they do it without a single thousand yard rusher or thousand yard receivers. So they are still somewhat too reliant on Josh Allen. But you know what, I like James Cook, I like Kenkaid Dawson Knox. I like their receiving corps. Coleman's getting better. I got at two. Number one, same old Chiefs, best coach, best defensive coordinator, best quarterback, and arguably the best defensive lineman, Chris Jones. Let's just say this, it's the same team we've seen, except I think it's a better offensive version it always since Tyreek Hill left. It's a lot of patchwork at receiver. That's what they've been for three years now. And now they got Hollywood brown back. They wish they had Rashi Rice, but that'll do. And Worthies become a real player and Travis Kelsey this is what they do because they play mahomes what they pay him. And they lost Tyreek Hill. This is the one unit they've tried to kind of figure out and bring in a guy for a year and this guy over there. But you know what, third team in NFL history to go six straight games without a without a turnover, So that's very rare. So you get all the upside and not a lot of the downside. Best situational team in football and that's that's not even arguable, although I will say Detroit on third down and fourth down with Ben Johnson, you know a coach, you know a team is rolling when they go to the red zone in the congested area. Remember Andy Read a couple of years the old in Super Bowl, they in the congested area, sky Moore is wide open. Like you know, you have a good offensive scheme, and this is what Shanahan does. Does anybody guard George Kittle or is he just opened by twenty yards on every play? So let's bring in Nick Right, co hosts First Things First, he is now joining US Live. You know last week you almost complimented me on the on the top ten. Anything bothery you?

This week?

This week?

Lion's too high. Lions are going to lose to the Vikings on Sunday, and after they could lose their first playoff game. Defense is just to it's past the point of no return. And I think I like a ton of what Dan Campbell has done and has brought to that organization. He's obviously a very good head coach, not taking anything away from him. However, his decision to play as guys last night was objectively a mistake. You are now in one of the highest leverage regular season games. Ever, as far as its impact on who can win the super Bowl, one seed or five seed will be determined Sunday night in Game two seventy two. And you had a choice, have my banged up and most important players have a bye week or have my entire team on short rest having played Monday night, and he chose the latter rather than the former, And I think it's a mistake, and so I love who they are. Offensively, golf has been sensational. The running game hasn't really been hurt by Montgomery being.

Lion's too high. Lions are going to lose to the Vikings on Sunday, and after they could lose their first playoff game. Defense is just to it's past the point of no return. And I think I like a ton of what Dan Campbell has done and has brought to that organization. He's obviously a very good head coach, not taking anything away from him. However, his decision to play as guys last night was objectively a mistake. You are now in one of the highest leverage regular season games. Ever, as far as its impact on who can win the super Bowl, one seed or five seed will be determined Sunday night in Game two seventy two. And you had a choice, have my banged up and most important players have a bye week or have my entire team on short rest having played Monday night, and he chose the latter rather than the former, And I think it's a mistake, and so I love who they are. Offensively, golf has been sensational. The running game hasn't really been hurt by Montgomery being.

Out because Gibbs is so good.

Out because Gibbs is so good.

I give them full credit, but that Niners team has struggled to look like that offensively all year, and until Purdy gave the game away, the Niners seam wheres moving the ball up and down the field. I think Sam Darnold's going to do the same thing. And then in round one they'll either be facing the Rams or the Bucks, either of whom can move the ball.

I give them full credit, but that Niners team has struggled to look like that offensively all year, and until Purdy gave the game away, the Niners seam wheres moving the ball up and down the field. I think Sam Darnold's going to do the same thing. And then in round one they'll either be facing the Rams or the Bucks, either of whom can move the ball.

By the way, the Bucks beating them this year.

By the way, the Bucks beating them this year.

The Rams took them to overtime this year, and that's when the team was whole and healthy. So I think Detroit's had an awesome season that unfortunately is going to end quickly because of all the defensive injuries. And I think Dan playing the players last night was a big mistake.

The Rams took them to overtime this year, and that's when the team was whole and healthy. So I think Detroit's had an awesome season that unfortunately is going to end quickly because of all the defensive injuries. And I think Dan playing the players last night was a big mistake.

I tend to see myself as an ambassador of goodwill, glass half full Colin optimist. Every morning I get labeled a mean brock Purty guy. But to me, first half a script, second half is talent. Rock Purty is now a bad second half quarterback, and I'm supposed to pay him early and fifty million. I don't understand it. What am I seeing that nobody else is. I mean, you and I were both very hesitant on the Dak deal, and we're right. I mean, I don't think Purty's as good as Dak. Now, what do you make of this idea that you have to pay him early?

I tend to see myself as an ambassador of goodwill, glass half full Colin optimist. Every morning I get labeled a mean brock Purty guy. But to me, first half a script, second half is talent. Rock Purty is now a bad second half quarterback, and I'm supposed to pay him early and fifty million. I don't understand it. What am I seeing that nobody else is. I mean, you and I were both very hesitant on the Dak deal, and we're right. I mean, I don't think Purty's as good as Dak. Now, what do you make of this idea that you have to pay him early?

No, it's at this point, it'd be insane at this.

No, it's at this point, it'd be insane at this.

Especially with him and I understand, We hope, and it looks like that injury last night is not us very significant one, but it's a reminder that this is an undersized player who has suffered, you know, one major injury in his career, has been banged up a few other times in a relatively small career sample.

Especially with him and I understand, We hope, and it looks like that injury last night is not us very significant one, but it's a reminder that this is an undersized player who has suffered, you know, one major injury in his career, has been banged up a few other times in a relatively small career sample.

And all year long.

And all year long.

Last year, you and I said, listen, you can't deny the production. I do question how much of it is coaching talent and circumstances and what would he look like in a league average situation, And amazingly, he got dropped into a league average situation this year and now they're.

Last year, you and I said, listen, you can't deny the production. I do question how much of it is coaching talent and circumstances and what would he look like in a league average situation, And amazingly, he got dropped into a league average situation this year and now they're.

Six and ten.

Six and ten.

He wants this is the third straight week Colin. People act like this was season from hell.

He wants this is the third straight week Colin. People act like this was season from hell.

It wasn't. Didn't start that way. They were four and four.

It wasn't. Didn't start that way. They were four and four.

Going into the by after the buye they beat Tampa their best win of the year, they were a game out of first place, and then the last three weeks, starting with the playoffs on the line against the Rams, down three fourth quarter infield goal range late throws the game losing pick last week when they'd already been eliminated from the playoffs, but still he's playing down five two minute warning on the other side of the plus side of the fifty chance to go win the game pick last night, leading the game throws after playing awesome for the first half, awesome throws a terrible interception, and then once again, fourth quarter down less than seven chance to win the game or at least go take the lead, probably too early to win the game.

Going into the by after the buye they beat Tampa their best win of the year, they were a game out of first place, and then the last three weeks, starting with the playoffs on the line against the Rams, down three fourth quarter infield goal range late throws the game losing pick last week when they'd already been eliminated from the playoffs, but still he's playing down five two minute warning on the other side of the plus side of the fifty chance to go win the game pick last night, leading the game throws after playing awesome for the first half, awesome throws a terrible interception, and then once again, fourth quarter down less than seven chance to win the game or at least go take the lead, probably too early to win the game.

Pick.

Pick.

He is who we thought he was, and I think the Niners know it too. So I don't know that the Niners are gonna, you know, offer your guys Sam Darnold a huge deal. I don't know that they're going to spend a ton of money at the quarterback position. Here's what I could see them doing, telling brock Purty, yet, listen, you're under contract and you did not have a good.

He is who we thought he was, and I think the Niners know it too. So I don't know that the Niners are gonna, you know, offer your guys Sam Darnold a huge deal. I don't know that they're going to spend a ton of money at the quarterback position. Here's what I could see them doing, telling brock Purty, yet, listen, you're under contract and you did not have a good.

Year three, so we're not going to pay you after year three.

Year three, so we're not going to pay you after year three.

And oh, by the way as it happens, Kyle Shanahan's long lost love Kirk Cousins is gonna come play for a million bucks as well. Don't worry, He's just gonna back you up.

And oh, by the way as it happens, Kyle Shanahan's long lost love Kirk Cousins is gonna come play for a million bucks as well. Don't worry, He's just gonna back you up.

We'll see.

We'll see.

So yeah, I think the idea of Brock Purty getting the Tua or Trevor deal, even if he has accomplished more than both of those players, went out the window this past month.

So yeah, I think the idea of Brock Purty getting the Tua or Trevor deal, even if he has accomplished more than both of those players, went out the window this past month.

So I showed this earlier. It's easy to blame Mike McCarthy, but I showed this earlier. We have a graphic. I said, if you take the two best rosters in the NFC, I won't even count the AFC. I'll just go NFC. And I put the Lions and Eagles best players just offense because it's an offensive league, even the Chiefs. At some point you have to it's hard to make stops. Sure, And I put it on the screen there, and only two Cowboys would be considered. Zach Martin is now old, injured and very expensive. I'd pass because the two other guards are great, and Ceedee Lamb is not omor On Saint Brown is a slot or AJ Brown is an X receiver. And we're blaming McCarthy so maybe you could squeeze in Ceedee Lamb. But my take in is.

So I showed this earlier. It's easy to blame Mike McCarthy, but I showed this earlier. We have a graphic. I said, if you take the two best rosters in the NFC, I won't even count the AFC. I'll just go NFC. And I put the Lions and Eagles best players just offense because it's an offensive league, even the Chiefs. At some point you have to it's hard to make stops. Sure, And I put it on the screen there, and only two Cowboys would be considered. Zach Martin is now old, injured and very expensive. I'd pass because the two other guards are great, and Ceedee Lamb is not omor On Saint Brown is a slot or AJ Brown is an X receiver. And we're blaming McCarthy so maybe you could squeeze in Ceedee Lamb. But my take in is.

Ceedee Lamb in over a Monros Saint Brown. But aside from that, I agree with everything you got there.

Ceedee Lamb in over a Monros Saint Brown. But aside from that, I agree with everything you got there.

Go ahead, And that's an upstairs problem, that's a scout problem, that's a general manager problem. Andy Reid is not beating the Eagles and Lions with that in an offensive league. Why not keep Mike McCarthy.

Go ahead, And that's an upstairs problem, that's a scout problem, that's a general manager problem. Andy Reid is not beating the Eagles and Lions with that in an offensive league. Why not keep Mike McCarthy.

Well, I think your points well taken. But the reason I have two significant reasons I wouldn't keep Mike McCarthy. One is I think tangible, and one is more kind of intangible. The tangible one is this, you have to make some type of seismic change, and it's the only one you can. You just signed the quarterback. There's only there's really only three major moves a team can make.

Well, I think your points well taken. But the reason I have two significant reasons I wouldn't keep Mike McCarthy. One is I think tangible, and one is more kind of intangible. The tangible one is this, you have to make some type of seismic change, and it's the only one you can. You just signed the quarterback. There's only there's really only three major moves a team can make.

One is front office change.

One is front office change.

Well, in Dallas, front office is ownership, so that is status quo.

Well, in Dallas, front office is ownership, so that is status quo.

Another is quarterback.

Another is quarterback.

Well, in Dallas, they just re signed the quarterback to the biggest deal in NFL history. This past offseason hasn't even kicked in yet, so that can't change.

Well, in Dallas, they just re signed the quarterback to the biggest deal in NFL history. This past offseason hasn't even kicked in yet, so that can't change.

The other is head coach. And I so.

The other is head coach. And I so.

Even if Mike McCarthy is not.

Even if Mike McCarthy is not.

The culprits here.

The culprits here.

It's the only chance they have at really shaking things up. So I would go try to get Mike Rabel, who, with a quarterback worse than Dak Prescott, made a conference title game and then after that they went eleven and five, twelve and five, and he was the one seed with Ryan Tannehill.

It's the only chance they have at really shaking things up. So I would go try to get Mike Rabel, who, with a quarterback worse than Dak Prescott, made a conference title game and then after that they went eleven and five, twelve and five, and he was the one seed with Ryan Tannehill.

I would go try to do that.

I would go try to do that.

The other reason I would move on from McCarthy is it's very weird how we kind of do the coaching math, which is, let's say Dak never got hurt and this Cowboys team was right now a twelve and four team, you know, that was locked into the wildcart, and then they lost their first playoff game. Everyone would say, you have to fire McCarthy because, like and so now that was the standard going into this year was can't fall flat on your face in the playoffs because they were so bad. Never even got a chance to see him in the playoffs. So now it's like the McCarthy expectation clock has fully reset to where next year, this year they're sub five hundred if he keeps his job. Next year, if they go ten and seven and get the seven of the playoffs, so we're like, hey, improvement, definitely keep his job, and we're just back to where we thought we were this year, like in twenty twenty six. So I, even if I don't think he's done a terrible job, I have to change something significant. I can't change the front office. I can't change the quarterback, so I might have to change coach.

The other reason I would move on from McCarthy is it's very weird how we kind of do the coaching math, which is, let's say Dak never got hurt and this Cowboys team was right now a twelve and four team, you know, that was locked into the wildcart, and then they lost their first playoff game. Everyone would say, you have to fire McCarthy because, like and so now that was the standard going into this year was can't fall flat on your face in the playoffs because they were so bad. Never even got a chance to see him in the playoffs. So now it's like the McCarthy expectation clock has fully reset to where next year, this year they're sub five hundred if he keeps his job. Next year, if they go ten and seven and get the seven of the playoffs, so we're like, hey, improvement, definitely keep his job, and we're just back to where we thought we were this year, like in twenty twenty six. So I, even if I don't think he's done a terrible job, I have to change something significant. I can't change the front office. I can't change the quarterback, so I might have to change coach.

So you know that when you and I believe in something like you for years, believe that the Buffalo Bills would beat themselves and America attacks you, it's hard not to when you're proven right to just not explode with joy and remind me.

So you know that when you and I believe in something like you for years, believe that the Buffalo Bills would beat themselves and America attacks you, it's hard not to when you're proven right to just not explode with joy and remind me.

Apecially when you're a tax for relentlessly called a hater, called all these things, and then you're just showing proven right.

Apecially when you're a tax for relentlessly called a hater, called all these things, and then you're just showing proven right.

Yeah, so go ahead.

Yeah, so go ahead.

For six years, I was mocked, ridiculed, and it was hurtful, and I kept saying Sam Darnold can play the Panthers and the Jets are dysfunctional, and so I'm trying not to have confirmation bias. But he may be having one of the great seasons in the last decade. Now. I'm not denying Kevin O'Connell the receiving crew, but I think about this, Nick. The Vikings have never gotten a ring, and it matters. If they were the Packers, you could say, hey, we know quarterbacks, we'll let him go. We're gonna go with JJ McCarthy because they got rings and they've proven they can do that. Vikings don't super Bowl losers like the Bills. How do you let Sam leave? How do you let the greatest year ever for a Vikings quarterback walk out the door?

For six years, I was mocked, ridiculed, and it was hurtful, and I kept saying Sam Darnold can play the Panthers and the Jets are dysfunctional, and so I'm trying not to have confirmation bias. But he may be having one of the great seasons in the last decade. Now. I'm not denying Kevin O'Connell the receiving crew, but I think about this, Nick. The Vikings have never gotten a ring, and it matters. If they were the Packers, you could say, hey, we know quarterbacks, we'll let him go. We're gonna go with JJ McCarthy because they got rings and they've proven they can do that. Vikings don't super Bowl losers like the Bills. How do you let Sam leave? How do you let the greatest year ever for a Vikings quarterback walk out the door?

So I at this point, barring a true collapse, and by collapse, I mean they lose in Week eighteen and then just look awful in the first playoff game, I don't think they'll let him leave.

So I at this point, barring a true collapse, and by collapse, I mean they lose in Week eighteen and then just look awful in the first playoff game, I don't think they'll let him leave.

Now. I don't know that they'll do what.

Now. I don't know that they'll do what.

I'm sure he would like them to do, which is give him a real contract. And I don't think he would accept the Gino or the Baker contract, which leaves us with the always unfair to the player.

I'm sure he would like them to do, which is give him a real contract. And I don't think he would accept the Gino or the Baker contract, which leaves us with the always unfair to the player.

But the NFL will.

But the NFL will.

Never get rid of it franchise tag. To me, we are we are moving rapidly down that path. Now, listen, if they make the super Bowl, then I think and which by the way, I think they can do. I think they're going to be the one seed and they can make the super Bowl. Then we talk long term contracts. But if this playoff run ends the way I think Vegas thinks it will, which is in either the divisional round or the conference championship round, I think Sam Darnold gets franchise tag one year, forty two million dollars. And you tell JJ McCarthy, hey, it's a good we drafted you at twenty years old because you're still be young when you finally get to play, and we figure that out. The part that I and I saw you do this yesterday. This is what I want to say about Donald and kind of a media criticism at large. I think NFL media and I'm included in that, we do the MVP discussion really poorly, which is we started so early that by week ten or eleven, it's almost like, hey, here are the three or four eligible parties for MVP of the league, and then it's an argument amongst them. Sam Donald two weeks ago had the play of his life to beat Seattle and stepped up in the pocket past Justin Jefferson a brilliant game to keep Minnesota life for the one seed. Sam Donald last week played a nearly perfect game of football, made the one mistake with the pick. Responded immediately with a great drive to keep Minnesota life for the one seed. If you put his numbers up to honestly, any quarterback in the league, Lamar Jackson included, they're not.

Never get rid of it franchise tag. To me, we are we are moving rapidly down that path. Now, listen, if they make the super Bowl, then I think and which by the way, I think they can do. I think they're going to be the one seed and they can make the super Bowl. Then we talk long term contracts. But if this playoff run ends the way I think Vegas thinks it will, which is in either the divisional round or the conference championship round, I think Sam Darnold gets franchise tag one year, forty two million dollars. And you tell JJ McCarthy, hey, it's a good we drafted you at twenty years old because you're still be young when you finally get to play, and we figure that out. The part that I and I saw you do this yesterday. This is what I want to say about Donald and kind of a media criticism at large. I think NFL media and I'm included in that, we do the MVP discussion really poorly, which is we started so early that by week ten or eleven, it's almost like, hey, here are the three or four eligible parties for MVP of the league, and then it's an argument amongst them. Sam Donald two weeks ago had the play of his life to beat Seattle and stepped up in the pocket past Justin Jefferson a brilliant game to keep Minnesota life for the one seed. Sam Donald last week played a nearly perfect game of football, made the one mistake with the pick. Responded immediately with a great drive to keep Minnesota life for the one seed. If you put his numbers up to honestly, any quarterback in the league, Lamar Jackson included, they're not.

It's not like it's a ten to eight round.

It's not like it's a ten to eight round.

And other than Lamar, he compares favorably to just about every quarterback that we're discussing for this. If they beat Detroit and the Vikings are fifteen and two and this guy's numbers are what they are, it is a reasonable take to say Sam Darnold should be League MVP in the same vein that Hey, I still don't know how it happened, but rich Gannon was a league and could be like, there are some guys that don't have this, Like, look at those numbers, and everyone talks about that. You know, Lamar's having one of the greatest seasons ever, and by the way, he is, but those numbers are similar, and obviously his numbers are far superior to Josh's. So I just I think it's you. If you were to all of a sudden, dude, the Sam Donald should be MVP, people will just say, Colin, you're a Sam Donald homer, which you, by the way, are. However, if it were a fair argument. If the Vikings win fifteen games when they were projected to win six, and it's because he has forty four hundred yards, thirty eight touchdowns and is on a heater at the end of the year, that's got to count for something.

And other than Lamar, he compares favorably to just about every quarterback that we're discussing for this. If they beat Detroit and the Vikings are fifteen and two and this guy's numbers are what they are, it is a reasonable take to say Sam Darnold should be League MVP in the same vein that Hey, I still don't know how it happened, but rich Gannon was a league and could be like, there are some guys that don't have this, Like, look at those numbers, and everyone talks about that. You know, Lamar's having one of the greatest seasons ever, and by the way, he is, but those numbers are similar, and obviously his numbers are far superior to Josh's. So I just I think it's you. If you were to all of a sudden, dude, the Sam Donald should be MVP, people will just say, Colin, you're a Sam Donald homer, which you, by the way, are. However, if it were a fair argument. If the Vikings win fifteen games when they were projected to win six, and it's because he has forty four hundred yards, thirty eight touchdowns and is on a heater at the end of the year, that's got to count for something.

Yeah, I think you even have to consider that Baltimore and Buffalo have better rosters than Sam Donald. Sam Donald has the better receiving corps, but so do. I mean, let Joe Burrele's got a receiving corps that's remarkable. He may not make the playoffs, probably won't. So yeah, it's one of those things where I just know the Bills not beating Kansas City has been your thing. Donald. I can't quit him. And I will say this well as I've aged, it does make me happy. I always feel like I've been lucky. I've landed with good bosses. I think it's a shame. I think it's really cool that Baker and Sam and I like Baker have both landed with a great offensive mind. And it just shows that if you keep your head down, you grind, eventually you'll find your king maker. That's kind of my take.

Yeah, I think you even have to consider that Baltimore and Buffalo have better rosters than Sam Donald. Sam Donald has the better receiving corps, but so do. I mean, let Joe Burrele's got a receiving corps that's remarkable. He may not make the playoffs, probably won't. So yeah, it's one of those things where I just know the Bills not beating Kansas City has been your thing. Donald. I can't quit him. And I will say this well as I've aged, it does make me happy. I always feel like I've been lucky. I've landed with good bosses. I think it's a shame. I think it's really cool that Baker and Sam and I like Baker have both landed with a great offensive mind. And it just shows that if you keep your head down, you grind, eventually you'll find your king maker. That's kind of my take.

Yeah, I think that's very wise.

Yeah, I think that's very wise.

Words but you did just there maybe accidentally put into the universe. And I know you like Baker, and I know you two have you know, you know, come to terms after what was a rocky beginning of your relationship. You did just put out into the sports ether the Nightmare Cowherd scenario, which is Bucks Vikings round one and Bake show kicks Arnold right out of the playoffs. That is a four or five that we could see in the Vikings lose on Sunday night and Baker is planting his flag midfield at Tampa and Sam is sad you don't want to deal with that, and that is a possibility.

Words but you did just there maybe accidentally put into the universe. And I know you like Baker, and I know you two have you know, you know, come to terms after what was a rocky beginning of your relationship. You did just put out into the sports ether the Nightmare Cowherd scenario, which is Bucks Vikings round one and Bake show kicks Arnold right out of the playoffs. That is a four or five that we could see in the Vikings lose on Sunday night and Baker is planting his flag midfield at Tampa and Sam is sad you don't want to deal with that, and that is a possibility.

I can hear the cough coming, the chest congestion coming. I'm a little sick for that. Yeah. Absolutely, make first things first, good seeing you, buddy. That would you know? I Baker Mayfield, somebody asked him recently about me and he said we're frenemies. Is that I offered him a job at my company. I said, I think you'd be a great podcaster. I told you, I think he could be one of the great college football guys of all time. I think he's really really talented. And I am happy because I feel I've had the good fortune over thirty years of doing this as I've not always had great bosses, but I've had a couple of really good ones. And there's only so much you can do justin Herbert, There's only so much you can do on just sheer talent. You eventually need a kingmaker. You eventually need somebody that can get you to a place that you can't get by yourself, because none of us can get there. So it does make me happy that Baker go great GM in Tampa. Mike Evans really good running game. I mean, they've got like three running backs I like. And it's like Baker and Sam are both proving keep your head down, grind at it, keep working your butt off, you will eventually get a great boss. You will eventually get one.

I can hear the cough coming, the chest congestion coming. I'm a little sick for that. Yeah. Absolutely, make first things first, good seeing you, buddy. That would you know? I Baker Mayfield, somebody asked him recently about me and he said we're frenemies. Is that I offered him a job at my company. I said, I think you'd be a great podcaster. I told you, I think he could be one of the great college football guys of all time. I think he's really really talented. And I am happy because I feel I've had the good fortune over thirty years of doing this as I've not always had great bosses, but I've had a couple of really good ones. And there's only so much you can do justin Herbert, There's only so much you can do on just sheer talent. You eventually need a kingmaker. You eventually need somebody that can get you to a place that you can't get by yourself, because none of us can get there. So it does make me happy that Baker go great GM in Tampa. Mike Evans really good running game. I mean, they've got like three running backs I like. And it's like Baker and Sam are both proving keep your head down, grind at it, keep working your butt off, you will eventually get a great boss. You will eventually get one.

I mean that's crazy.

I mean that's crazy.

So Baker basically at the option of the a podcaster or one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFC, and he decided to be like a good quarterback. I mean, honestly, you look at the NFC, he's up there. Oh there's no I mean, like everybody loves Jared Goff, I get it. If we switch Golf and Baker, that Baker.

So Baker basically at the option of the a podcaster or one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFC, and he decided to be like a good quarterback. I mean, honestly, you look at the NFC, he's up there. Oh there's no I mean, like everybody loves Jared Goff, I get it. If we switch Golf and Baker, that Baker.

Goes to the Lions and golf goes to the well, no.

Goes to the Lions and golf goes to the well, no.

No, they're they're I means Jalen Hurts in the NFC is Jaden Daniels.

No, they're they're I means Jalen Hurts in the NFC is Jaden Daniels.

I think. I think golf is less reckless and a better so it's a prettier deep ball. But Bake I said this when I was criticizing Baker. Oh yeah, he's one of the twenty best quarterbacks in the world, even at his low point.

I think. I think golf is less reckless and a better so it's a prettier deep ball. But Bake I said this when I was criticizing Baker. Oh yeah, he's one of the twenty best quarterbacks in the world, even at his low point.

Well that's not saying much.

Well that's not saying much.

I mean, well, by the way, Aaron Rodgers is about eighteenth right now and the Jets are going to bring him Matris.

I mean, well, by the way, Aaron Rodgers is about eighteenth right now and the Jets are going to bring him Matris.

Colin eighteenth, Daker or Aaron Rodgers next year?

Colin eighteenth, Daker or Aaron Rodgers next year?

Who you got, Well, I have. I don't have to pay Aaron as much, so I would take Aaron for me.

Who you got, Well, I have. I don't have to pay Aaron as much, so I would take Aaron for me.

You're paying with the headaches. Yeah, but I call the nonsense. There's no nonsense with Dak.

You're paying with the headaches. Yeah, but I call the nonsense. There's no nonsense with Dak.

He's getting hurt a lot, and every time he gets hurt and comes out he's less of a player. Listen, I've come to terms with Aaron brock Party or Aaron Rodgers next year because well, well, brock Party is free, so I take Brock. I mean, if you're free, I'm long.

He's getting hurt a lot, and every time he gets hurt and comes out he's less of a player. Listen, I've come to terms with Aaron brock Party or Aaron Rodgers next year because well, well, brock Party is free, so I take Brock. I mean, if you're free, I'm long.

He's not free for long.

He's not free for long.

Man.

Man.

You know, big year for Brock. He's in a contract year, so were you. So let's get a lot of interesting stuff happening.

You know, big year for Brock. He's in a contract year, so were you. So let's get a lot of interesting stuff happening.

I'm being franchise tagged.

I'm being franchise tagged.

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That's Covino and Rich. A lot of stuff happening. Urban Meyer, one of the two best college football coaches of my life, along with Nick Saban's going to be joining us last hour. We have our big bets Boise State tenn I getting a lot of points. Now, Boise State's not built to play from behind, but they get after the quarterback. They run the foot, they don't turn it over, they can consume the clock. Very interesting. Team Jamack with the news.

That's Covino and Rich. A lot of stuff happening. Urban Meyer, one of the two best college football coaches of my life, along with Nick Saban's going to be joining us last hour. We have our big bets Boise State tenn I getting a lot of points. Now, Boise State's not built to play from behind, but they get after the quarterback. They run the foot, they don't turn it over, they can consume the clock. Very interesting. Team Jamack with the news.

No, no, this is.

No, no, this is.

The herd Line news, all right, Colin. The forty nine ers obviously lost last night despite a great offensive performance. They were pretty tremendous outside of the two picks.

The herd Line news, all right, Colin. The forty nine ers obviously lost last night despite a great offensive performance. They were pretty tremendous outside of the two picks.

But it got worse afterward. Uh brock Purdy suffered an injury. They're saying maybe nerve damage, and then the chatter started about Kyle Shanahanah John Lynch and I think it was overboard but team owner Jed York felt the need to chime in. He said, they're not going anywhere, nor should they. Yeah, I think it's a little silly. Pearsaw, by the way, a lot of injuries here.

But it got worse afterward. Uh brock Purdy suffered an injury. They're saying maybe nerve damage, and then the chatter started about Kyle Shanahanah John Lynch and I think it was overboard but team owner Jed York felt the need to chime in. He said, they're not going anywhere, nor should they. Yeah, I think it's a little silly. Pearsaw, by the way, a lot of injuries here.

I think they've got They've become a little wide receiver obsessed in my opinion last couple of drafts. But I will say this that Pearsall looks like we look good. Yeah, he can play, and I mean he was a late first round pick, and that's the hardest place to draft in this league, is like twenty fifth down because you're after about eighteen players. They're all second und guys. So Piersol looks like he can play. I think I would move. I thought Debo's had the last couple of weeks. He's been pretty something. I think they're gonna move one of those receivers. But they're gonna shore up their O line and D lines outside of Bosa.

I think they've got They've become a little wide receiver obsessed in my opinion last couple of drafts. But I will say this that Pearsall looks like we look good. Yeah, he can play, and I mean he was a late first round pick, and that's the hardest place to draft in this league, is like twenty fifth down because you're after about eighteen players. They're all second und guys. So Piersol looks like he can play. I think I would move. I thought Debo's had the last couple of weeks. He's been pretty something. I think they're gonna move one of those receivers. But they're gonna shore up their O line and D lines outside of Bosa.

I don't know where the audience is on like breaking down teams in the offseason, but the Niners are utterly fascinating Allan. Yeah, so many potential Deebo Samuel probably not going to be in Sanfra next year because if Rockberdy does get paid. As we anticipate, whether it's thirty, forty fifty, whatever, they're gonna have to make some radical changes on that roster. There's some linebackers who are probably gonna get run out.

I don't know where the audience is on like breaking down teams in the offseason, but the Niners are utterly fascinating Allan. Yeah, so many potential Deebo Samuel probably not going to be in Sanfra next year because if Rockberdy does get paid. As we anticipate, whether it's thirty, forty fifty, whatever, they're gonna have to make some radical changes on that roster. There's some linebackers who are probably gonna get run out.

You can't have two expensive linebackers. And for the record, Fred Warner is the best linebacker in the league in green Law is a top five or six guy.

You can't have two expensive linebackers. And for the record, Fred Warner is the best linebacker in the league in green Law is a top five or six guy.

I mean, you know you have Jinnings, I Yuk Piersall. They have more than enough receivers.

I mean, you know you have Jinnings, I Yuk Piersall. They have more than enough receivers.

I would not be surprised if they were a lot of moves in San Fraan this offseason.

I would not be surprised if they were a lot of moves in San Fraan this offseason.

Right now, they paid Debo. I would love to have Devo on my team. You have to have the right coach that understands his chess piece. You have to have the right coordinator coach. Deebo doesn't work for a lot of teams. He would work with Andy Reid Kingsbury, Washington. Yes, that's the one I talked about. I think he works in Washington. I think Deebo in Washington is a fascinating piece.

Right now, they paid Debo. I would love to have Devo on my team. You have to have the right coach that understands his chess piece. You have to have the right coordinator coach. Deebo doesn't work for a lot of teams. He would work with Andy Reid Kingsbury, Washington. Yes, that's the one I talked about. I think he works in Washington. I think Deebo in Washington is a fascinating piece.

And let's I know Brockberty's going to be a huge talking point, but I will just say the kirk Cousins name is one to watch. We know that everybody from that Shanahan McVeigh tree, they've loved Kirk Cousins there, you can go to Google.

And let's I know Brockberty's going to be a huge talking point, but I will just say the kirk Cousins name is one to watch. We know that everybody from that Shanahan McVeigh tree, they've loved Kirk Cousins there, you can go to Google.

They've given tons of interviews.

They've given tons of interviews.

Kirk Cousins is their guy because he is amazing with the play action and that's what the Shanahan system runs on. I would not rule out a Russell Wilson type situation where remember Russell got moved off the Broncos and he got on the cheep to Pittsburgh and look pretty good. Kirk Cousins gonna be paid by Atlanta if he gets moved on San Francisco, bring him on to you.

Kirk Cousins is their guy because he is amazing with the play action and that's what the Shanahan system runs on. I would not rule out a Russell Wilson type situation where remember Russell got moved off the Broncos and he got on the cheep to Pittsburgh and look pretty good. Kirk Cousins gonna be paid by Atlanta if he gets moved on San Francisco, bring him on to you.

Can you see Kirk Cousins starting for the Niners next year? If Rockberty comes in says I want to reset the market, Well.

Can you see Kirk Cousins starting for the Niners next year? If Rockberty comes in says I want to reset the market, Well.

Yeah, yeah, are you doing that? Yeah yeah. If you're giving me a one guy for one year, I have no problem with Kirk Cousins for a year.

Yeah, yeah, are you doing that? Yeah yeah. If you're giving me a one guy for one year, I have no problem with Kirk Cousins for a year.

A drafted quarterback.

A drafted quarterback.

Yeah. Next year's draft class is much better than this one, no question. And why this year San Francisco is going to go on offensive line drafting. I've been told they're going to go after the shore up the old.

Yeah. Next year's draft class is much better than this one, no question. And why this year San Francisco is going to go on offensive line drafting. I've been told they're going to go after the shore up the old.

Line sounds about right.

Line sounds about right.

Next up after being fired in Tennessee. At the end of last season, Mike Rabel took on a job consulting with the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland just gave permission for ra Able to leave his position before the end of the season, with the expectation Brabel will be interviewing for head coaching openings around the league. You've linked him to Chicago, there's a New Orleans has an opening.

Next up after being fired in Tennessee. At the end of last season, Mike Rabel took on a job consulting with the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland just gave permission for ra Able to leave his position before the end of the season, with the expectation Brabel will be interviewing for head coaching openings around the league. You've linked him to Chicago, there's a New Orleans has an opening.

Yeah, I think I would. If I was New Orleans, I would hire Brian Flores. If I was Chicago or the Jets or New England, I would hire Brabel. Although I'm well in New England. Well, there's a lot of talk about him in New England. I don't think Craft is going to blow out Girod Mayo. But again, Robert his history. You know, he had Belichick forever and I think Mayo was his choice. So when you have to admit your choice. But there is a story that's interesting. So CBS had a game of the Patriots a couple of weeks ago, and reportedly the Crafts wanted to be on TV, and when they were, they were criticizing the play calling and the coaching. I heard that that story was on the interweb.

Yeah, I think I would. If I was New Orleans, I would hire Brian Flores. If I was Chicago or the Jets or New England, I would hire Brabel. Although I'm well in New England. Well, there's a lot of talk about him in New England. I don't think Craft is going to blow out Girod Mayo. But again, Robert his history. You know, he had Belichick forever and I think Mayo was his choice. So when you have to admit your choice. But there is a story that's interesting. So CBS had a game of the Patriots a couple of weeks ago, and reportedly the Crafts wanted to be on TV, and when they were, they were criticizing the play calling and the coaching. I heard that that story was on the interweb.

So it must be true.

So it must be true.

Well, I was just I asked somebody that covers the NFL, a beat reporter, and they said they'd heard the same thing.

Well, I was just I asked somebody that covers the NFL, a beat reporter, and they said they'd heard the same thing.

What about Rabel going back to the AFC and the.

What about Rabel going back to the AFC and the.

Jacksonville job opening, I think he'd be I think he could.

Jacksonville job opening, I think he'd be I think he could.

Crush in that division.

Crush in that division.

I'm gonna throw this out there. It's crazy, it sounds crazy. Arizona moves off Kyler Murray. Jags move off Trevor Lawrence in a terrible quarterback here. I think those guys would have a market.

I'm gonna throw this out there. It's crazy, it sounds crazy. Arizona moves off Kyler Murray. Jags move off Trevor Lawrence in a terrible quarterback here. I think those guys would have a market.

Wow.

Wow.

You hit me with a.

You hit me with a.

Lot of stuff here, Kyper Murray.

Lot of stuff here, Kyper Murray.

I think Arizona's getting tired of it. I think things catch up to you when you're one in sixteen against your division. Keep Gannon and move off Murray. Oh yeah, keep Gannon offensive. This team's offensive pieces are too good for what the offense looks like. And Kyler Murray in a bad quarterback draft.

I think Arizona's getting tired of it. I think things catch up to you when you're one in sixteen against your division. Keep Gannon and move off Murray. Oh yeah, keep Gannon offensive. This team's offensive pieces are too good for what the offense looks like. And Kyler Murray in a bad quarterback draft.

He can play, So this should be Kyler So he had Cliff Kingsbury just let me ask you.

He can play, So this should be Kyler So he had Cliff Kingsbury just let me ask you.

The Raiders now keep winning, so you're not going to get cam Ward and Shadeur Sanders, and I don't believe these quarterbacks are worth giving up massive draft picks for, So what do they do at quarterback?

The Raiders now keep winning, so you're not going to get cam Ward and Shadeur Sanders, and I don't believe these quarterbacks are worth giving up massive draft picks for, So what do they do at quarterback?

Wouldbel go to the Raiders? Or are you saying Raiders?

Wouldbel go to the Raiders? Or are you saying Raiders?

No, no, no, no, I'm talking let's get out of coaching, let's talk quarterback. These quarterbacks Shadoor, Sanders and Cam are not good enough to give up putt picks for. So my take is, what do you do if you're the Raiders? You overpay Sam Darnold, he gets franchised, keep your eye on Trevor Lawrence and Kyler Murray. I'm just saying I would if I ran the Raiders and I'm not giving up first round picks for Shador or Cam? What am I going to do gets franchised? What am I gonna do with him the Raiders?

No, no, no, no, I'm talking let's get out of coaching, let's talk quarterback. These quarterbacks Shadoor, Sanders and Cam are not good enough to give up putt picks for. So my take is, what do you do if you're the Raiders? You overpay Sam Darnold, he gets franchised, keep your eye on Trevor Lawrence and Kyler Murray. I'm just saying I would if I ran the Raiders and I'm not giving up first round picks for Shador or Cam? What am I going to do gets franchised? What am I gonna do with him the Raiders?

I think he said Trevor Lawrence is keeping Jacksonville from moving to London.

I think he said Trevor Lawrence is keeping Jacksonville from moving to London.

Well, what he did when they signed and there was a lot of discussions about that in that space. Now they're not. I but my take is, I mean they had him going to London twice a year.

Well, what he did when they signed and there was a lot of discussions about that in that space. Now they're not. I but my take is, I mean they had him going to London twice a year.

So would you rather have Trevor Lawrence or Cam wore chedor Sanders in the draft?

So would you rather have Trevor Lawrence or Cam wore chedor Sanders in the draft?

I don't. If I'm Trevor now makes a lot of money and he's like a C plus quarterback, so I probably had their rookie.

I don't. If I'm Trevor now makes a lot of money and he's like a C plus quarterback, so I probably had their rookie.

He had a C plus season.

He had a C plus season.

But let's just get out of this. We're talking Raiders to keep it on the raids. Okay, they're not gonna move up to get Cam and Chador. I agree, What are they gonna do? Ham and egging again because Antonio Pierce and the GM would get fired. They gotta get If I'm the GM, I am calling Jacksonville in Arizona and saying, let's make an eel.

But let's just get out of this. We're talking Raiders to keep it on the raids. Okay, they're not gonna move up to get Cam and Chador. I agree, What are they gonna do? Ham and egging again because Antonio Pierce and the GM would get fired. They gotta get If I'm the GM, I am calling Jacksonville in Arizona and saying, let's make an eel.

And you swing for Kyler Murray or or Lawrence one.

And you swing for Kyler Murray or or Lawrence one.

Of the options. I mean, this quarterback draft we just watched is one of the greatest of all time. Aaron, I know I would call on it. I think I think everyon's going to have a market, I really do. Not a huge market, but a market.

Of the options. I mean, this quarterback draft we just watched is one of the greatest of all time. Aaron, I know I would call on it. I think I think everyon's going to have a market, I really do. Not a huge market, but a market.

Wow.

Wow.

All right, final.

All right, final.

Story, Colin, is uh, your Broncos and bow Nicks, they are a win away from the playoffs, are huge favorites against the Chiefs thirteen this week.

Story, Colin, is uh, your Broncos and bow Nicks, they are a win away from the playoffs, are huge favorites against the Chiefs thirteen this week.

However, they could have gotten it fun against the Bengals.

However, they could have gotten it fun against the Bengals.

Nick threw a touchdown pass to pull with it a point late in the fourth quarter. I think there was like seven seconds left yep, bo Knicks threw up the two fingers.

Nick threw a touchdown pass to pull with it a point late in the fourth quarter. I think there was like seven seconds left yep, bo Knicks threw up the two fingers.

We're going for two. We're going for two.

We're going for two. We're going for two.

Sean Payton said, Uh so, here's Peyton talking about that decision.

Sean Payton said, Uh so, here's Peyton talking about that decision.

You go through it all the time, you know, relative to what the call would have been based on the outcome. You know, you you always second guess. You always do that as a head coach, and so I trusted my gut at the moment.

You go through it all the time, you know, relative to what the call would have been based on the outcome. You know, you you always second guess. You always do that as a head coach, and so I trusted my gut at the moment.

But yeah, I think the troble to do that.

But yeah, I think the troble to do that.

You know, there's the old theory that on the road you go for the win. Isn't that the isn't that the thing?

You know, there's the old theory that on the road you go for the win. Isn't that the isn't that the thing?

They also had the whole if we tie the game, we get to the playoffs.

They also had the whole if we tie the game, we get to the playoffs.

Well, here's my take. I thought about this. I would have kicked the pat My take was, I have the better roster. I'll play extra football. The better roster will have been will win over time.

Well, here's my take. I thought about this. I would have kicked the pat My take was, I have the better roster. I'll play extra football. The better roster will have been will win over time.

You think Denver's got a better roster than Cincinnati.

You think Denver's got a better roster than Cincinnati.

Not even close. Cincinnatis at the worst defense in the league, I mean, first of all time out o line, Denver's top seven D line, not close. But what happened side of Jamar Chase and t Higgins, what a Cincinnati like we.

Not even close. Cincinnatis at the worst defense in the league, I mean, first of all time out o line, Denver's top seven D line, not close. But what happened side of Jamar Chase and t Higgins, what a Cincinnati like we.

Saw with the Washington Atlantic game.

Saw with the Washington Atlantic game.

If the other team wins a coin toss and they have a great quarterback, you're screwed. They're gonna go down and score.

If the other team wins a coin toss and they have a great quarterback, you're screwed. They're gonna go down and score.

That's just how it works. Now.

That's just how it works. Now.

Obviously this one didn't work out for them, But uh.

Obviously this one didn't work out for them, But uh.

I get if I have the better roster and a competent quarterback, I'll play another ten minutes. The more plays the game has, the better team eventually wins. That's my take. If I have an inferior roster and my defense has been on the field and I got lucky and tied the game in a Hail Mary, I'm going for two. I thought that was kind of a lucky touchdown. It was, but I thought they'd played a good competitive game. There were times in that game I thought Denver was gonna pull away. I mean, let's be honest.

I get if I have the better roster and a competent quarterback, I'll play another ten minutes. The more plays the game has, the better team eventually wins. That's my take. If I have an inferior roster and my defense has been on the field and I got lucky and tied the game in a Hail Mary, I'm going for two. I thought that was kind of a lucky touchdown. It was, but I thought they'd played a good competitive game. There were times in that game I thought Denver was gonna pull away. I mean, let's be honest.

Listen, it's easy to play armchair quarterback and say, oh, you got to go for juil.

Listen, it's easy to play armchair quarterback and say, oh, you got to go for juil.

That's right in the moment, Like, you don't have a lot of time.

That's right in the moment, Like, you don't have a lot of time.

You've got maybe twenty seconds on the sidelines, maybe less than that, right to decide after the touchdown, what do we do with the play.

You've got maybe twenty seconds on the sidelines, maybe less than that, right to decide after the touchdown, what do we do with the play.

There's a lot happening. That's a tough thing to.

There's a lot happening. That's a tough thing to.

It's easy for us to just sit up here in bash Peyton or say nice job, but that's really tough in the moment.

It's easy for us to just sit up here in bash Peyton or say nice job, but that's really tough in the moment.

I know you've done a lot of coaching in your life.

I know you've done a lot of coaching in your life.

Yeah a lot, Yeah yeah. Jmack with the news, Well.

Yeah a lot, Yeah yeah. Jmack with the news, Well.

That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.

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Favorite big ten bets of the week. Okay, I'm gonna take Boise State plus eleven to keep it close. First of all, they have, you know, some would say after Travis Hunter, the Locke to be a can't miss prospect. This is a great all time running back. This kid's phenomenal. They have the best sack differential, great defense, great run game. They're not built to come from behind. They don't have much of a passing attack. But again, I think Penn State off a blowout win at home and looking down the road to a Notre Dame in Georgia. I think this Boise State has always been a giant killer. I think they can play. Their defense has held eight great opponents under twenty five points, and Penn State, by the way, against top ten opponents in these big spots three and nineteen. They haven't always been great. I think the game is competitive even if State wins thirty twenty. I get the cover.

Favorite big ten bets of the week. Okay, I'm gonna take Boise State plus eleven to keep it close. First of all, they have, you know, some would say after Travis Hunter, the Locke to be a can't miss prospect. This is a great all time running back. This kid's phenomenal. They have the best sack differential, great defense, great run game. They're not built to come from behind. They don't have much of a passing attack. But again, I think Penn State off a blowout win at home and looking down the road to a Notre Dame in Georgia. I think this Boise State has always been a giant killer. I think they can play. Their defense has held eight great opponents under twenty five points, and Penn State, by the way, against top ten opponents in these big spots three and nineteen. They haven't always been great. I think the game is competitive even if State wins thirty twenty. I get the cover.

I like it. I'm with you on that one. I'm gonna get started with a bit of a shocker here.

I like it. I'm with you on that one. I'm gonna get started with a bit of a shocker here.

I am gonna take Arizona State getting twelve and a half against Texas Colin. This number came down over the weekend. It was sitting at fourteen much of last week. Some big, sharp money came in on the Sun Devils. I don't know how much of it has to do with Cam Scatabow. Camp Scattaboo, the great running back. I'm telling you, this guy's awesome. He's like Mike Olstatt, but more athletic. If you remember the former Tampa running back and Colin. There is a lot of chatter around Quinn viewers over the last ten days. Okay, I kind of teased it on the show and started to get upset when they were asking about.