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Sports a lot, all right, So I guess I mean, don't hold me to it, but I think this is the final herd hierarchy for some time. We'll do them later, after free agency, after the coaching hires, after the draft. But I think this is going to be our last one for a while. And here we go on a Tuesday, heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according to college. Yes, we're gonna start with eight. We've only got eight that are worthy of it. The Houston Texans. They out gained the Chiefs by one hundred and twenty four yards and had seven more minutes a time of possession. But they're still a young team. They were god awful on special teams. They've lost five straight to the Chiefs. Welcome to everybody's world in the AFC, and they weren't very good against playoff teams two and six. I feel like they're a little bit like the Green Bay Packers or the Chargers. They just need another draft another six players. Should be very proud considering where this franchise was three years ago. They're in a really really cool spot going forward. Texans at eight, number seven, the Rams. That defense, they're not even paying anybody yet. Watch out. They had sixteen sacks in two playoff games. First team to have ten plus players with a sack and Jared Verse looks like it could be a they have found. They're Lawrence Taylor. Maybe not Lawrence Taylor, but they're Lawrence Taylor. I don't know what they're gonna do with Cooper Cup long term Matt Stafford, but you know what since joining the NFL, McVay is nineteen and four in December, he does about as good a job as anybody not named Andy Reid figuring out the jigsaw puzzle of teams. Rams at seven, number six the Lions. In the end, they just weren't good enough defensively, and I think losing their coordinators when Dan Campbell's not a scheme guy. Could look like Philadelphia a couple years ago. They did lead the NFL in point differential and their all line in run game is just stuff with the record books. They're gonna be good? Are they gonna be great? Because that's what Buffalo's becoming in Kansas City has been and what Philadelphia could be. So I have Detroit at number six, number five, the Ravens. The Ravens are the Bills two three years ago, where they'll out gain you, out wawya and turn the ball over. I mean, listen, to this oher and twelve all time in the playoffs when they lose the turnover battle and they keep losing. They didn't have a punt and average seven and a half yards against the Bills and lost. This is what Buffalo did years ago until Buffalo figured out efficiency over flamboyant and fireworks. They do have the number one scoring defense. I love their coach. I love Lamar Jackson Ravens at five number four. I think the Commanders are for real because I think Jaden Daniels even better than Andrew Luck is absolutely special. Led the NFL in touchdown passes with an average O line and one star receiver this year, more than Mahomes or Josh Allen or Stafford. That's insane. Highest passer rating by any quarterback. Remember last year when I picked them to make the playoffs and everybody said, well, there's too much change, and I said, yeah, they're getting rid of bad people putting in good people. I don't care about change. If you're improving everywhere to everywhere, you make change this team. This is the worst roster Jayden Daniels is ever going to have. They get the most cap space along with New England. I think if they're up top of the league next year, near the top, so I think they're a real team. I think they can beat Philadelphia number three, the Eagles. Listen. They've won back to back playoff games throwing for under one hundred and twenty five yards. Their passing offense was thirty first in the league. There's so much I like about Jalen Hurts. I don't love him throwing from the pocket, but I love the receivers, the old line. They're just a very special team. They do things. They do things that bad teams do. They move off coaches, they're you know, like sometimes they're active for the sake. It feels like of being active. But I mean, they almost had as many rushing yards as the Rams had passing yards. I think it's the best roster in the NFL. I think it has been for the last couple of years. Philadelphia at three, number two, Kansas City. I mean, and again I say this with the best coach and the best quarterback on the planet, there's not much to say, but they've They've won an NFL record sixteen straight games, including the playoffs, with one score games. Because efficiency does have at some point limitations, like eventually the you know, the Patriots didn't get knocked off and lost super Bowls a couple of times. The one team, the New York Giants, they were out first. Listen to this first team in NFL history to be out gained by one hundred yards, create no turnovers, and win a playoff game. So, I mean, part of me is like in all of what they do, and then part of me is like, I think that works against everybody, not name the Buffalo Bills. Number one. I think they're gonna win the Super Bowl. I think it's the best version they're with the race. Evens need to be efficient. They do not give up sacks, they don't get penalized, they don't turn it over. They can beat you with Davis or Cook their running back. They've got two tight ends, They've got three wide receivers. I think their old lines the most underrated in the league. Maybe not Filly or Detroit, but really, really good. I think this is the year now. I don't necessarily think it's going to be the year and then another year and then another year. I don't know if that's it, but this is really They're the Chiefs without the trophies, front office ownership, quarterback, and I thought Sean McDermott, for all the criticism, we have to be fair in this business. I thought he had a great weekend from the first series on. I thought Sean McDermott had an Andy Reid like game plan. They changed in the game, saw that Baltimore was a little squirrely, didn't have Za Flowers. We don't have to take big swings. Let's just be smart convert key plays, and they're my top eight. I've said before, whoever wins the AFC is winning the Super Bowl. In my opinion, that's how it's gonna work. And with that, Nick Wright joins us, you know you've grew up in Kansas City and lived in Houston. It's funny about perception, like Houston should be overjoyed. I know they're disappointed, but where they were three years ago, they should be overjoyed. And yet I think Detroit wakes up this morning and goes, what are we? I The Lions worry me, Nick, because like the Eagles, if they lose those two coordinators every year, a great team regresses. I look at the Lions and wonder Dan Campbell's culture thing may have a ceiling here. Anything that worries you on that list.

Sports a lot, all right, So I guess I mean, don't hold me to it, but I think this is the final herd hierarchy for some time. We'll do them later, after free agency, after the coaching hires, after the draft. But I think this is going to be our last one for a while. And here we go on a Tuesday, heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according to college. Yes, we're gonna start with eight. We've only got eight that are worthy of it. The Houston Texans. They out gained the Chiefs by one hundred and twenty four yards and had seven more minutes a time of possession. But they're still a young team. They were god awful on special teams. They've lost five straight to the Chiefs. Welcome to everybody's world in the AFC, and they weren't very good against playoff teams two and six. I feel like they're a little bit like the Green Bay Packers or the Chargers. They just need another draft another six players. Should be very proud considering where this franchise was three years ago. They're in a really really cool spot going forward. Texans at eight, number seven, the Rams. That defense, they're not even paying anybody yet. Watch out. They had sixteen sacks in two playoff games. First team to have ten plus players with a sack and Jared Verse looks like it could be a they have found. They're Lawrence Taylor. Maybe not Lawrence Taylor, but they're Lawrence Taylor. I don't know what they're gonna do with Cooper Cup long term Matt Stafford, but you know what since joining the NFL, McVay is nineteen and four in December, he does about as good a job as anybody not named Andy Reid figuring out the jigsaw puzzle of teams. Rams at seven, number six the Lions. In the end, they just weren't good enough defensively, and I think losing their coordinators when Dan Campbell's not a scheme guy. Could look like Philadelphia a couple years ago. They did lead the NFL in point differential and their all line in run game is just stuff with the record books. They're gonna be good? Are they gonna be great? Because that's what Buffalo's becoming in Kansas City has been and what Philadelphia could be. So I have Detroit at number six, number five, the Ravens. The Ravens are the Bills two three years ago, where they'll out gain you, out wawya and turn the ball over. I mean, listen, to this oher and twelve all time in the playoffs when they lose the turnover battle and they keep losing. They didn't have a punt and average seven and a half yards against the Bills and lost. This is what Buffalo did years ago until Buffalo figured out efficiency over flamboyant and fireworks. They do have the number one scoring defense. I love their coach. I love Lamar Jackson Ravens at five number four. I think the Commanders are for real because I think Jaden Daniels even better than Andrew Luck is absolutely special. Led the NFL in touchdown passes with an average O line and one star receiver this year, more than Mahomes or Josh Allen or Stafford. That's insane. Highest passer rating by any quarterback. Remember last year when I picked them to make the playoffs and everybody said, well, there's too much change, and I said, yeah, they're getting rid of bad people putting in good people. I don't care about change. If you're improving everywhere to everywhere, you make change this team. This is the worst roster Jayden Daniels is ever going to have. They get the most cap space along with New England. I think if they're up top of the league next year, near the top, so I think they're a real team. I think they can beat Philadelphia number three, the Eagles. Listen. They've won back to back playoff games throwing for under one hundred and twenty five yards. Their passing offense was thirty first in the league. There's so much I like about Jalen Hurts. I don't love him throwing from the pocket, but I love the receivers, the old line. They're just a very special team. They do things. They do things that bad teams do. They move off coaches, they're you know, like sometimes they're active for the sake. It feels like of being active. But I mean, they almost had as many rushing yards as the Rams had passing yards. I think it's the best roster in the NFL. I think it has been for the last couple of years. Philadelphia at three, number two, Kansas City. I mean, and again I say this with the best coach and the best quarterback on the planet, there's not much to say, but they've They've won an NFL record sixteen straight games, including the playoffs, with one score games. Because efficiency does have at some point limitations, like eventually the you know, the Patriots didn't get knocked off and lost super Bowls a couple of times. The one team, the New York Giants, they were out first. Listen to this first team in NFL history to be out gained by one hundred yards, create no turnovers, and win a playoff game. So, I mean, part of me is like in all of what they do, and then part of me is like, I think that works against everybody, not name the Buffalo Bills. Number one. I think they're gonna win the Super Bowl. I think it's the best version they're with the race. Evens need to be efficient. They do not give up sacks, they don't get penalized, they don't turn it over. They can beat you with Davis or Cook their running back. They've got two tight ends, They've got three wide receivers. I think their old lines the most underrated in the league. Maybe not Filly or Detroit, but really, really good. I think this is the year now. I don't necessarily think it's going to be the year and then another year and then another year. I don't know if that's it, but this is really They're the Chiefs without the trophies, front office ownership, quarterback, and I thought Sean McDermott, for all the criticism, we have to be fair in this business. I thought he had a great weekend from the first series on. I thought Sean McDermott had an Andy Reid like game plan. They changed in the game, saw that Baltimore was a little squirrely, didn't have Za Flowers. We don't have to take big swings. Let's just be smart convert key plays, and they're my top eight. I've said before, whoever wins the AFC is winning the Super Bowl. In my opinion, that's how it's gonna work. And with that, Nick Wright joins us, you know you've grew up in Kansas City and lived in Houston. It's funny about perception, like Houston should be overjoyed. I know they're disappointed, but where they were three years ago, they should be overjoyed. And yet I think Detroit wakes up this morning and goes, what are we? I The Lions worry me, Nick, because like the Eagles, if they lose those two coordinators every year, a great team regresses. I look at the Lions and wonder Dan Campbell's culture thing may have a ceiling here. Anything that worries you on that list.

Oh well, I mean worries me on the list.

Oh well, I mean worries me on the list.

I mean, you have the two time defending champion, one seed that's undefeated is in the playoffs against the Bills.

I mean, you have the two time defending champion, one seed that's undefeated is in the playoffs against the Bills.

Behind the Bills. But we can address that in home.

Behind the Bills. But we can address that in home.

And as far as it concerns me about the Lions, yeah, I listen. I don't want to panic, but I also don't want to underreact. I think it would probably be a good bet to say, in five years, are we going to look back and say, oh damn, their best chance was in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, Right in twenty twenty three when they have a two score lead in the NFC Championship game, and then in twenty twenty four when they're playing a rookie at home in their building and look the defense. There's nothing you can do about the defensive injuries. That's bad luck, and that's the cruelty of the NFL. You can maybe ask your coordinator, who's now the head coach of the Bears. You know, the player who in his brief NFL career has been suspended twice, and about an hour ago, and let's call it a colorful, erotic celebration.

And as far as it concerns me about the Lions, yeah, I listen. I don't want to panic, but I also don't want to underreact. I think it would probably be a good bet to say, in five years, are we going to look back and say, oh damn, their best chance was in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, Right in twenty twenty three when they have a two score lead in the NFC Championship game, and then in twenty twenty four when they're playing a rookie at home in their building and look the defense. There's nothing you can do about the defensive injuries. That's bad luck, and that's the cruelty of the NFL. You can maybe ask your coordinator, who's now the head coach of the Bears. You know, the player who in his brief NFL career has been suspended twice, and about an hour ago, and let's call it a colorful, erotic celebration.

In the end zone.

In the end zone.

Let's not trust his judgment to throw the biggest pass of our season, and maybe maybe let's put the ball in some more trustworthy hands. The problem is the trustworthy hands are Jared Goff's tiny hands, and he had a brutal game, and you wonder how much that's gonna haunt him moving forward. I do think the Lions are excellent and the injuries is mostly what killed him. But the reality in this league is very simple. If you don't have a superhero at quarterback, everything's got to go perfect. You can win, but everything's got to go perfect. The Lions have a great civilian at quarterback, not a superhero, and when things get a little askew and he needs to carry you. He had his worst game in the worst moment. So I'm not like selling my life iron stock. But I wouldn't buy any more of it either.

Let's not trust his judgment to throw the biggest pass of our season, and maybe maybe let's put the ball in some more trustworthy hands. The problem is the trustworthy hands are Jared Goff's tiny hands, and he had a brutal game, and you wonder how much that's gonna haunt him moving forward. I do think the Lions are excellent and the injuries is mostly what killed him. But the reality in this league is very simple. If you don't have a superhero at quarterback, everything's got to go perfect. You can win, but everything's got to go perfect. The Lions have a great civilian at quarterback, not a superhero, and when things get a little askew and he needs to carry you. He had his worst game in the worst moment. So I'm not like selling my life iron stock. But I wouldn't buy any more of it either.

So I defended again. I know I'm a Lamar apologist, but on the interception Bateman, Bateman stopped running, Mark Andrews dropped a two point conversion, Mark Andrews fumbled, and on the snap Lamar fumbled. He had to be superman to save it. I'm not saying he was great, but I'm saying he continues to go into these playoff games. They have no number one receivers. Eight flowers didn't fly Mark and they.

So I defended again. I know I'm a Lamar apologist, but on the interception Bateman, Bateman stopped running, Mark Andrews dropped a two point conversion, Mark Andrews fumbled, and on the snap Lamar fumbled. He had to be superman to save it. I'm not saying he was great, but I'm saying he continues to go into these playoff games. They have no number one receivers. Eight flowers didn't fly Mark and they.

Were the faver they I listen to you all year talk about how complete.

Were the faver they I listen to you all year talk about how complete.

The team is.

The team is.

This is that I Am not going to allow this to happen everywhere because all year long, it's the same song and dance.

This is that I Am not going to allow this to happen everywhere because all year long, it's the same song and dance.

Two years in a row. The Ravens are the best team.

Two years in a row. The Ravens are the best team.

Dvoa says, they're one of the ten best teams ever. Forget the fact that they lost five times. No, no, no, They're coming together at.

Dvoa says, they're one of the ten best teams ever. Forget the fact that they lost five times. No, no, no, They're coming together at.

The right time.

The right time.

Also have to hear this. Look at the numbers. Lamar's the MVP.

Also have to hear this. Look at the numbers. Lamar's the MVP.

Look at how four picks all year and if you'll watch the tape on him, none of them were his fault.

Look at how four picks all year and if you'll watch the tape on him, none of them were his fault.

They were all good passes. That's the narrative going into the playoffs. Then the playoff loss happens and it's like, man, that roster wasn't that good, and why didn't they let Derrick Henry run the ball that much? Why did they put the ball in the hands of the league MVP.

They were all good passes. That's the narrative going into the playoffs. Then the playoff loss happens and it's like, man, that roster wasn't that good, and why didn't they let Derrick Henry run the ball that much? Why did they put the ball in the hands of the league MVP.

That we can't do it. I'm not going to kill Lamar of h.

That we can't do it. I'm not going to kill Lamar of h.

He was very good in the second half and almost pulled it out of the fire. Now the Mark Andrews drop Colin if we are being fair, because we're all gamblers here, if he had caught that two point conversion, the Bills would have been live betting still like minus four hundred to win the game.

He was very good in the second half and almost pulled it out of the fire. Now the Mark Andrews drop Colin if we are being fair, because we're all gamblers here, if he had caught that two point conversion, the Bills would have been live betting still like minus four hundred to win the game.

Do the math on it, because it would have been Bill's ball.

Do the math on it, because it would have been Bill's ball.

Tie game minute third three left the Ravens would have had with two timeouts, the Ravens would have had to get the stop and then also winning overtime. So even with the Mark Andrews, if he catches it, the Ravens are big dogs.

Tie game minute third three left the Ravens would have had with two timeouts, the Ravens would have had to get the stop and then also winning overtime. So even with the Mark Andrews, if he catches it, the Ravens are big dogs.

And they're big dogs because.

And they're big dogs because.

A player who did not have a single multi turnover game all year turn the ball over twice in the first half. We can blame Rashad Bateman for a pass you know who doesn't Lamar Jackson, who said it flatly, I didn't look the safety off.

A player who did not have a single multi turnover game all year turn the ball over twice in the first half. We can blame Rashad Bateman for a pass you know who doesn't Lamar Jackson, who said it flatly, I didn't look the safety off.

Over through the ball. You might be right. The snap was bad.

Over through the ball. You might be right. The snap was bad.

He had recovered from that and then set the ball on the ground. We are now eight career playoff games, four times he has multiple turnovers. That's half ninety four career regular season games fourteen times he has multiple turnovers. That's fifteen percent in Colin it is. You were right on the Peyton Manning comparison, which is why I do think eventually Lamar will win a super Bowl. What I don't think is right is that when when we were in the midst of this with Peyton Manning, everyone was killing him.

He had recovered from that and then set the ball on the ground. We are now eight career playoff games, four times he has multiple turnovers. That's half ninety four career regular season games fourteen times he has multiple turnovers. That's fifteen percent in Colin it is. You were right on the Peyton Manning comparison, which is why I do think eventually Lamar will win a super Bowl. What I don't think is right is that when when we were in the midst of this with Peyton Manning, everyone was killing him.

Everyone's like, how can you be the best.

Everyone's like, how can you be the best.

Player in the league in the regular season and then consistently not good in the playoffs. And with Lamar Jackson, everyone's like, man, he tried so hard and he wants it so bad. It's patronizing to the player, and so no, I don't I don't buy this. And the number of people who yelled at me all year he's the league MVP, and then got on TV Monday and they're like, why they give Lamar the ball so much? Derrick Henry's right there, Well, then maybe he's the league MVP. I don't know, but we'll do it again next year. Lamar can win all the MVPs, get all the first team All Pros, and then everyone can in the playoffs be like who could have seen that coming?

Player in the league in the regular season and then consistently not good in the playoffs. And with Lamar Jackson, everyone's like, man, he tried so hard and he wants it so bad. It's patronizing to the player, and so no, I don't I don't buy this. And the number of people who yelled at me all year he's the league MVP, and then got on TV Monday and they're like, why they give Lamar the ball so much? Derrick Henry's right there, Well, then maybe he's the league MVP. I don't know, but we'll do it again next year. Lamar can win all the MVPs, get all the first team All Pros, and then everyone can in the playoffs be like who could have seen that coming?

I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I don't know.

I just don't buy It's a great player struggles in the biggest moments.

I just don't buy It's a great player struggles in the biggest moments.

Let's talk Jayden Daniels. I think Washington can win. Ye Andrew Luck is the best. I remember Elway. I'm a old enough to remember Elway's rookie year kind of. He played about three quarters of the games. He had like double the picks as he did touchdowns. And he's an ald timer, could have played baseball or football. And then I watched Andrew Luck, who threw a lot of picks, but boy he was good with a bad team. Well, I would argue the Commander's team is closer to Andrew Lucks than it is any of these playoff teams that he's playing against. He was the best fourth quarter quarterback. I think we're seeing one of the great quarterbacks. I don't think it took long. In fact, there were practices with Patrick Mahomes his rookie year. There were practices that video got out and people were like, you know, I gonna believe it. There was discussions about Lamar as a rookie. Ye'ar like, yeah, we can't tackle him in practice. Herbert's first game, Joe Burrow with a horrible offensive line year one. I don't think it's a fluke. I think Jaden Daniels. I think we're looking at like seventy percent Mahomes twenty five percent Lamar. I think it's different. His decision making makes no sense. I mean, dan Quinn's a good coach, He's not Andy Reid. Cliff Kingsbury is a good coordinator, was he McVeigh. You see, I'm crazy. I think the best quarterbacks in the leagueer I don't think you're Mahomes, Alan Burrow, I'd put Lamar for I'm not so sure. Jayden Daniels isn't five, and I don't think I'm overreaching.

Let's talk Jayden Daniels. I think Washington can win. Ye Andrew Luck is the best. I remember Elway. I'm a old enough to remember Elway's rookie year kind of. He played about three quarters of the games. He had like double the picks as he did touchdowns. And he's an ald timer, could have played baseball or football. And then I watched Andrew Luck, who threw a lot of picks, but boy he was good with a bad team. Well, I would argue the Commander's team is closer to Andrew Lucks than it is any of these playoff teams that he's playing against. He was the best fourth quarter quarterback. I think we're seeing one of the great quarterbacks. I don't think it took long. In fact, there were practices with Patrick Mahomes his rookie year. There were practices that video got out and people were like, you know, I gonna believe it. There was discussions about Lamar as a rookie. Ye'ar like, yeah, we can't tackle him in practice. Herbert's first game, Joe Burrow with a horrible offensive line year one. I don't think it's a fluke. I think Jaden Daniels. I think we're looking at like seventy percent Mahomes twenty five percent Lamar. I think it's different. His decision making makes no sense. I mean, dan Quinn's a good coach, He's not Andy Reid. Cliff Kingsbury is a good coordinator, was he McVeigh. You see, I'm crazy. I think the best quarterbacks in the leagueer I don't think you're Mahomes, Alan Burrow, I'd put Lamar for I'm not so sure. Jayden Daniels isn't five, and I don't think I'm overreaching.

So I don't. So here's the thing.

So I don't. So here's the thing.

I don't think you're overreaching either. The only pump the breaks piece of this is there was a little bit of this with cj after the playoffs last year. There was even a little bit of this with Jordan Love after the playoffs last year. I think they both regressed a bit this year. Jaden, though, has had a better season and playoff run than either of those players.

I don't think you're overreaching either. The only pump the breaks piece of this is there was a little bit of this with cj after the playoffs last year. There was even a little bit of this with Jordan Love after the playoffs last year. I think they both regressed a bit this year. Jaden, though, has had a better season and playoff run than either of those players.

It's the greatest rookie season ever.

It's the greatest rookie season ever.

I've been skeptical of Jaden's ability to stay healthy because of his frame and his play style same, but that's.

I've been skeptical of Jaden's ability to stay healthy because of his frame and his play style same, but that's.

A different discussion.

A different discussion.

That is a totally different discussion than how good he is right now. I, by the way, I totally despite everything I said about Lamar, he's consensus, no doubt a top five quarterback. In fact, there are four consensus no doubt top five quarterbacks.

That is a totally different discussion than how good he is right now. I, by the way, I totally despite everything I said about Lamar, he's consensus, no doubt a top five quarterback. In fact, there are four consensus no doubt top five quarterbacks.

You listed them Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar at number five.

You listed them Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar at number five.

Though there's about six guys who people could make an argument for. There's an argument for Justin Herbert if we pretend the playoffs don't exist. There's an argument for my guy Baker Mayfield. There's an argument for Matt Stafford, who is who I would have had there. Some people would say Dak when he's healthy. Some people had been arguing brock Purty until this year happened.

Though there's about six guys who people could make an argument for. There's an argument for Justin Herbert if we pretend the playoffs don't exist. There's an argument for my guy Baker Mayfield. There's an argument for Matt Stafford, who is who I would have had there. Some people would say Dak when he's healthy. Some people had been arguing brock Purty until this year happened.

It's and I'm you know, Jordan Love C. J. Stroud. There's a seven guys you could argue. Go there.

It's and I'm you know, Jordan Love C. J. Stroud. There's a seven guys you could argue. Go there.

I totally agree with you, Colin. He now has as strong of an argument as anybody like. I don't know definitively who the fifth best quarterback in the league is, but I do know that if somebody says it's Jade Daniels, the really only argument against it is he hasn't done enough yet. But what he's been allowed to do, which is only play this one year. He continues to exceed expectations. No, so I don't think you're like who I think. I would say Stafford is fifth. Yeah, but Stafford's also turning thirty seven, and you know, maybe the best footballs behind him.

I totally agree with you, Colin. He now has as strong of an argument as anybody like. I don't know definitively who the fifth best quarterback in the league is, but I do know that if somebody says it's Jade Daniels, the really only argument against it is he hasn't done enough yet. But what he's been allowed to do, which is only play this one year. He continues to exceed expectations. No, so I don't think you're like who I think. I would say Stafford is fifth. Yeah, but Stafford's also turning thirty seven, and you know, maybe the best footballs behind him.

I don't know it's open for him, that's for darn sure.

I don't know it's open for him, that's for darn sure.

Yeah. I mean we said that about c J. Stroud, but c J. Stroud wasn't hyper mobile. He was a pure pocket guy. His comp was goff this kid, give you And we all said this coming in. I watched a ton of his college. There was a lot of Lamar here, but not Lamar, so he got seduced by running. He's still a pocket guy, so he's better than Lamar as a rookie from the pocket. And I'll be honest with you, he's more athletic than Mahomes. Running may not be him the thrower, but I don't know. I see a lot of Lamar. I see a lot of Mahomes. Finally, though, so we both love Chica and our friend Andy Parkins, and I had said quarterbacks and coordinators it kind of depends where you land. And the Bears are a gravel road with politics and potholes everywhere, and he just came from Detroit and Dan Campbell helped make that with the O line and running game, a paved road. I don't know if it's gonna be Lafleur or Adam Gase. What is your guest with Ben Johnson and the Bears. What's it closer to?

Yeah. I mean we said that about c J. Stroud, but c J. Stroud wasn't hyper mobile. He was a pure pocket guy. His comp was goff this kid, give you And we all said this coming in. I watched a ton of his college. There was a lot of Lamar here, but not Lamar, so he got seduced by running. He's still a pocket guy, so he's better than Lamar as a rookie from the pocket. And I'll be honest with you, he's more athletic than Mahomes. Running may not be him the thrower, but I don't know. I see a lot of Lamar. I see a lot of Mahomes. Finally, though, so we both love Chica and our friend Andy Parkins, and I had said quarterbacks and coordinators it kind of depends where you land. And the Bears are a gravel road with politics and potholes everywhere, and he just came from Detroit and Dan Campbell helped make that with the O line and running game, a paved road. I don't know if it's gonna be Lafleur or Adam Gase. What is your guest with Ben Johnson and the Bears. What's it closer to?

Well, listen, I think it's the best hire they could have made. I support it one hundred percent.

Well, listen, I think it's the best hire they could have made. I support it one hundred percent.

I am. You have talked about this extensively. I agree with you. If you have an established.

I am. You have talked about this extensively. I agree with you. If you have an established.

Veteran quarterback and you need a head coach, then maybe adding a culture guy like a Vrabel or a Harball, who I know is an offensive mind, but he's more about, you know, culture. When you have Herbert already there, fine. If you have a young quarterback that you're hoping will be a superstar, the best case scenario is pairing him with an offensive minded head coach so you don't have to go on the rolling wheel of oh we lost our offensive coordinator. Like everything we just said about Jayden, I don't think it's gonna happen. But what happens if Cliff Kingsbury does such a good job he gets a head coaching job, and now Jaden's with a new offensive coordinator. That's potentially problematic. You worry about that a little bit with CJ and Houston as well with a defensive minded head coach. So I agree with the hire, but I'm really glad you premised it were prefaced it with laflor Gase, meaning there are a lot more examples of the young offensive first time head coach whiz kid not working.

Veteran quarterback and you need a head coach, then maybe adding a culture guy like a Vrabel or a Harball, who I know is an offensive mind, but he's more about, you know, culture. When you have Herbert already there, fine. If you have a young quarterback that you're hoping will be a superstar, the best case scenario is pairing him with an offensive minded head coach so you don't have to go on the rolling wheel of oh we lost our offensive coordinator. Like everything we just said about Jayden, I don't think it's gonna happen. But what happens if Cliff Kingsbury does such a good job he gets a head coaching job, and now Jaden's with a new offensive coordinator. That's potentially problematic. You worry about that a little bit with CJ and Houston as well with a defensive minded head coach. So I agree with the hire, but I'm really glad you premised it were prefaced it with laflor Gase, meaning there are a lot more examples of the young offensive first time head coach whiz kid not working.

Oh yeah, then there are. Oh it's a home run.

Oh yeah, then there are. Oh it's a home run.

The home runs are a recent post. McVeigh are The only real home runs are McVeigh and Kevin O'Connell, and listen, I love Kevin O'Connell, but he's yet to win a playoff game, even though you know they've been at.

The home runs are a recent post. McVeigh are The only real home runs are McVeigh and Kevin O'Connell, and listen, I love Kevin O'Connell, but he's yet to win a playoff game, even though you know they've been at.

Home in both of them.

Home in both of them.

And Lafloor, nobody probably has benefitted from the playoffs expanding the seven seeds more from six, more than Lafloor because last three years we're missed the playoff seven seed, seven seed. And again, I think those are great head coaches. Those are the successes. The failures are you know, a dozen names, and so anyone acting like this is a sure thing, I think is foolish but it's a bet, and I think it's a smart bet. And one thing you've been I think correct on is the Bears attachment to the eighty five Bears and that we want to be defense and we want you know, it's forty years ago. This to me signals they're okay, maybe moving past that, you know what I mean. We're going offense, we're going young, we're going smart, and now there is huge expectation Colin on Caleb, Like there is part of me whenever I watched Jayden Daniels, I get a little, you know, choked up because I'm like, this is the life that I saw Caleb living, taking the world by storm. And by the way, a sidebar, how much credit do I get for the take that it's going to be in the Super Bowl Chiefs against a rookie quarterback from the NFC. I mean, I'm like ninety five percent right now. I said it was going to be against Caleb, But I mean I just got one door down from the.

And Lafloor, nobody probably has benefitted from the playoffs expanding the seven seeds more from six, more than Lafloor because last three years we're missed the playoff seven seed, seven seed. And again, I think those are great head coaches. Those are the successes. The failures are you know, a dozen names, and so anyone acting like this is a sure thing, I think is foolish but it's a bet, and I think it's a smart bet. And one thing you've been I think correct on is the Bears attachment to the eighty five Bears and that we want to be defense and we want you know, it's forty years ago. This to me signals they're okay, maybe moving past that, you know what I mean. We're going offense, we're going young, we're going smart, and now there is huge expectation Colin on Caleb, Like there is part of me whenever I watched Jayden Daniels, I get a little, you know, choked up because I'm like, this is the life that I saw Caleb living, taking the world by storm. And by the way, a sidebar, how much credit do I get for the take that it's going to be in the Super Bowl Chiefs against a rookie quarterback from the NFC. I mean, I'm like ninety five percent right now. I said it was going to be against Caleb, But I mean I just got one door down from the.

Greatest take of the year. If it's chief Chiefs against Jayden Daniels.

Greatest take of the year. If it's chief Chiefs against Jayden Daniels.

I said, the number one big is number two pick, basically the best prediction of the season.

I said, the number one big is number two pick, basically the best prediction of the season.

But that's the year. I thought Caleb could have this year, the one Jayden's having.

But that's the year. I thought Caleb could have this year, the one Jayden's having.

So the expectations are now ratcheted because I'm from his own drive.

So the expectations are now ratcheted because I'm from his own drive.

Class crossed it and they got the right head coach.

Class crossed it and they got the right head coach.

Okay, so I gotta get We got about two minutes lefter I got ash you. I defended the officiating with Kansas City. First of all, it's not challengeable. They tried it with PI, it didn't work. It's not challengeable. Second, Dwayne Wade, James Harden, a lot of the great players, mahomes, they sell it. That's called manipulation. It's called leverage. I'm not gonna The other thing is when the will Anderson hit came, my take is I looked at it and I went, well, that's head honting, So thank you. That's what I'm saying.

Okay, so I gotta get We got about two minutes lefter I got ash you. I defended the officiating with Kansas City. First of all, it's not challengeable. They tried it with PI, it didn't work. It's not challengeable. Second, Dwayne Wade, James Harden, a lot of the great players, mahomes, they sell it. That's called manipulation. It's called leverage. I'm not gonna The other thing is when the will Anderson hit came, my take is I looked at it and I went, well, that's head honting, So thank you. That's what I'm saying.

I know we don't have a lot of time the will Anderson hit.

I know we don't have a lot of time the will Anderson hit.

Everyone. That's being honest.

Everyone. That's being honest.

You can hate this, but on the TV copy in real time, it's like, oh, yeah, he cracked him in the head. And then they show the first reap watch my homes here, and you're saying, you watch that on TV and you weren't like, oh, that's high and then you see that, which is what the reps are, You're like, oh, that's high. Then you see this and you're like, oh that's high. It's only this angle and I don't even know if they're gonna show it the side one where you're like, oh no, it was more glancing blow.

You can hate this, but on the TV copy in real time, it's like, oh, yeah, he cracked him in the head. And then they show the first reap watch my homes here, and you're saying, you watch that on TV and you weren't like, oh, that's high and then you see that, which is what the reps are, You're like, oh, that's high. Then you see this and you're like, oh that's high. It's only this angle and I don't even know if they're gonna show it the side one where you're like, oh no, it was more glancing blow.

That's right, And so that is you can hate that call.

That's right, And so that is you can hate that call.

That call gets made for every quarterback, certainly every Pro Bowl, much less star quarterback.

That call gets made for every quarterback, certainly every Pro Bowl, much less star quarterback.

Go ahead. We went to the rule book yesterday.

Go ahead. We went to the rule book yesterday.

The that's the right call.

The that's the right call.

The rule says to officials went in doubt, call it like in baseball.

The rule says to officials went in doubt, call it like in baseball.

It and by the way, and listen, I love Buck and.

It and by the way, and listen, I love Buck and.

Aikman, I love them, but they're what they missed on this was that one was reviewed by New York and New York didn't overturn it because there was some albeit marginal contact from the helmet to mahomes face mask.

Aikman, I love them, but they're what they missed on this was that one was reviewed by New York and New York didn't overturn it because there was some albeit marginal contact from the helmet to mahomes face mask.

So that call.

So that call.

If you hate that call, then you hate the rule. The other one was a bad call. I'm not denying it was a bad call, and Mahomes baited them into it. And we can, if we want to penalize quarterbacks, take their protections away when they bade them into it. That's fine, but let me just finish real quick and then go.

If you hate that call, then you hate the rule. The other one was a bad call. I'm not denying it was a bad call, and Mahomes baited them into it. And we can, if we want to penalize quarterbacks, take their protections away when they bade them into it. That's fine, but let me just finish real quick and then go.

I don't like the side they don't. I don't like the sideline stuff with mahomes dog either. He's got to get out of that. The league's got to change that.

I don't like the side they don't. I don't like the sideline stuff with mahomes dog either. He's got to get out of that. The league's got to change that.

So two points, because you're.

So two points, because you're.

So first of all, this one here, this is why everyone's lost their mind. They're totally right. He was trying to bait him and he flopped.

So first of all, this one here, this is why everyone's lost their mind. They're totally right. He was trying to bait him and he flopped.

No penalty was called. Everyone's like, oh my god, there's no penalty.

No penalty was called. Everyone's like, oh my god, there's no penalty.

Everyone's mad at an idea that it could have happened, the bad call that we didn't show. When he's running around then slides late. I think it's dangerous. I don't like it. I think it's taking advantage of the rules. I get all that. Also, if they don't call this penalty, well look it's first and ten Colin he runs five yards. Oh my god, the Chiefs would have been backed all the way up till second and five.

Everyone's mad at an idea that it could have happened, the bad call that we didn't show. When he's running around then slides late. I think it's dangerous. I don't like it. I think it's taking advantage of the rules. I get all that. Also, if they don't call this penalty, well look it's first and ten Colin he runs five yards. Oh my god, the Chiefs would have been backed all the way up till second and five.

Shut up every.

Shut up every.

You know why the Texans lost because they scored one touchdown in a playoff game at Arrowhead and they had one of the worst specialty in performances in modern NFL history.

You know why the Texans lost because they scored one touchdown in a playoff game at Arrowhead and they had one of the worst specialty in performances in modern NFL history.

That's why they lost.

That's why they lost.

Because their vaunted defensive line got three sacks while the Chiefs defensive.

Because their vaunted defensive line got three sacks while the Chiefs defensive.

Line got eight.

Line got eight.

All the whining and will Anderson saying, oh, yeah, we knew going into the game was gonna be up against the reps. Then don't have the first time you hit the quarterback, you hit in the neck, and.

All the whining and will Anderson saying, oh, yeah, we knew going into the game was gonna be up against the reps. Then don't have the first time you hit the quarterback, you hit in the neck, and.

If you know it's going to be you against.

If you know it's going to be you against.

The refs, maybe aim for the chest so everyone can keep their complaining.

The refs, maybe aim for the chest so everyone can keep their complaining.

There was one awful call in the NFL.

There was one awful call in the NFL.

Playoffs, game changing call, the DPI against Baltimore at the end of the first half.

Playoffs, game changing call, the DPI against Baltimore at the end of the first half.

Yeah, nobody cares.

Yeah, nobody cares.

Because nobody actually cares about that officiating. They only care about trying to find a reason that the league. By the way, and I'm sorry, I'm late, but you put me on this.

Because nobody actually cares about that officiating. They only care about trying to find a reason that the league. By the way, and I'm sorry, I'm late, but you put me on this.

This idea that it's rigged.

This idea that it's rigged.

Guys, you do understand the league is the thirty two owners, So the thirty one other owners are like, damn, I guess.

Guys, you do understand the league is the thirty two owners, So the thirty one other owners are like, damn, I guess.

We're rigging it for Kansas City.

We're rigging it for Kansas City.

Again, you don't think McNair and Houston is like, hey, guys, I don't want to rig it for the Chiefs, and they're like, shut up, doesn't matter. You know, it's so ridiculous. I thank you for bringing that up.

Again, you don't think McNair and Houston is like, hey, guys, I don't want to rig it for the Chiefs, and they're like, shut up, doesn't matter. You know, it's so ridiculous. I thank you for bringing that up.

Oh okay, yeah, you know your had we had to. We needed an exclamation point with your rants today and that was it. Buddy good seeing Yeah, yeah, see all right, Nick? Right, first things first, it is funny. Uh. The first one looked like it and the sideline stuff they got to get rid of. But there was no penalty like so everybody's furious there was no flag on the play. Uh. And I got I always think this when people think, ah, the sports rigged. Wouldn't your rig it for New York, LA and Chicago teams? Wouldn't your rig it for the Cowboys or the Steelers.

Oh okay, yeah, you know your had we had to. We needed an exclamation point with your rants today and that was it. Buddy good seeing Yeah, yeah, see all right, Nick? Right, first things first, it is funny. Uh. The first one looked like it and the sideline stuff they got to get rid of. But there was no penalty like so everybody's furious there was no flag on the play. Uh. And I got I always think this when people think, ah, the sports rigged. Wouldn't your rig it for New York, LA and Chicago teams? Wouldn't your rig it for the Cowboys or the Steelers.

No, you'd rig it for the team that has Taylor Swift and Caitlin Clark in the box.

No, you'd rig it for the team that has Taylor Swift and Caitlin Clark in the box.

That's who you'd rig it for. Nobody thinks it's rigged, but this.

That's who you'd rig it for. Nobody thinks it's rigged, but this.

No, I think there's a bunch of No, there's a bunch of yahoos on the internet who believed the Earth is flat too, So what I mean, what do you want?

No, I think there's a bunch of No, there's a bunch of yahoos on the internet who believed the Earth is flat too, So what I mean, what do you want?

However, let's be real.

However, let's be real.

I gave you the numbers yesterday and I know it triggered a lot of Chiefs fans. In the last ten Chiefs playoff games, nine of them, the opponent has had more penalties and more penalty yards.

I gave you the numbers yesterday and I know it triggered a lot of Chiefs fans. In the last ten Chiefs playoff games, nine of them, the opponent has had more penalties and more penalty yards.

I know.

I know.

Let me guess it's just discipline and coaching in every single game.

Let me guess it's just discipline and coaching in every single game.

Came out for years. During the Patriots run for a decade, they never fumbled. That's just luck. No luck is winning the power ball. If you want it ten years in a row, you got a scheme, you got it. The Patriots forever never fumbled. Why because they were so glass edelman because they determined that turnovers were winning and losing games, and so like, I do think there are teams that do better with ball security. Buffalo in the last two years has literally changed as a franchise. Their ball security issues are all gone.

Came out for years. During the Patriots run for a decade, they never fumbled. That's just luck. No luck is winning the power ball. If you want it ten years in a row, you got a scheme, you got it. The Patriots forever never fumbled. Why because they were so glass edelman because they determined that turnovers were winning and losing games, and so like, I do think there are teams that do better with ball security. Buffalo in the last two years has literally changed as a franchise. Their ball security issues are all gone.

I understand your defense of this, but you do realize that ninety nine percent of America is rooting against the Chiefs because they're watching the same games we are and seeing that Kansas City gets seemingly every flag in.

I understand your defense of this, but you do realize that ninety nine percent of America is rooting against the Chiefs because they're watching the same games we are and seeing that Kansas City gets seemingly every flag in.

Every high leverage spot.

Every high leverage spot.

Go to the Bengals game this season, Colin, you know, I mean fourth and sixteen, you get this phantom flag. It's like, what the hell's going on here? That's why America is rooting for Buffalo and Josh Allen this weekend.

Go to the Bengals game this season, Colin, you know, I mean fourth and sixteen, you get this phantom flag. It's like, what the hell's going on here? That's why America is rooting for Buffalo and Josh Allen this weekend.

I know you are too, you're rooting, but I don't root.

I know you are too, you're rooting, but I don't root.

Don't I don't do that. I am a You're above rooting. I'm America's honesty broker. I can't be out there at Palm pomin it. That's not I can't do that. May the best team win?

Don't I don't do that. I am a You're above rooting. I'm America's honesty broker. I can't be out there at Palm pomin it. That's not I can't do that. May the best team win?

How about this?

How about this?

Can we ask Fox to get us some Buffalo Bill's jerseys for Monday? No, when the Bills win and we I'll work throwing Thomas.

Can we ask Fox to get us some Buffalo Bill's jerseys for Monday? No, when the Bills win and we I'll work throwing Thomas.

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Let's get started with the Travis Kelcey sure.

Let's get started with the Travis Kelcey sure.

Let's go back to the Kansas City Chiefs. Everybody's least favorite team. You know, Kelsey had a rough season, Colum, Let's be real, but he was big in the division, around one hundred and seventeen yards in a touchdown. The media asked Andy Reid about the type of energy Travis Kelcey brings it regardless of his production.

Let's go back to the Kansas City Chiefs. Everybody's least favorite team. You know, Kelsey had a rough season, Colum, Let's be real, but he was big in the division, around one hundred and seventeen yards in a touchdown. The media asked Andy Reid about the type of energy Travis Kelcey brings it regardless of his production.

It's that positive mindset, you can do anything, and I think he does a great He does a great job with that. At his age. He goes out there every day and practice is hard, just and if you're trying to take him out, he gets mad at you. So I think that's that's a special thing.

It's that positive mindset, you can do anything, and I think he does a great He does a great job with that. At his age. He goes out there every day and practice is hard, just and if you're trying to take him out, he gets mad at you. So I think that's that's a special thing.

For an older player.

For an older player.

I mean, there is a common thread among great athletes is the ones that are highly competitive. They were talking about that with Riley Leonard last night. They're like, the kid just is, you know, throwing up on the sidelines. And I think Kelsey has that ability. That is he's gotten a little rickety and older very much. Gronk red Light's on, he's money and he's always open. He just he is a manipulator of defense.

I mean, there is a common thread among great athletes is the ones that are highly competitive. They were talking about that with Riley Leonard last night. They're like, the kid just is, you know, throwing up on the sidelines. And I think Kelsey has that ability. That is he's gotten a little rickety and older very much. Gronk red Light's on, he's money and he's always open. He just he is a manipulator of defense.

I'm almost certain he didn't play in the regular season finale, but his last game was Christmas. So by the time this Bill's Chiefs throws around, Kelsey will have played one game in a month.

I'm almost certain he didn't play in the regular season finale, but his last game was Christmas. So by the time this Bill's Chiefs throws around, Kelsey will have played one game in a month.

He's gonna be fresh.

He's gonna be fresh.

He's gonna be like a spring chicken out there at arrowhead, young Travis Kelcey. That's a problem for Buffalo, which really doesn't defend the middle of the field. Well. And we got Kelsey's playoff career numbers. I mean, is there staggering gung. He's one of the best tight ends in the history of the sport.

He's gonna be like a spring chicken out there at arrowhead, young Travis Kelcey. That's a problem for Buffalo, which really doesn't defend the middle of the field. Well. And we got Kelsey's playoff career numbers. I mean, is there staggering gung. He's one of the best tight ends in the history of the sport.

Oh, I think, look a look at these numbers. I mean, I think there's four four great tight ends ever, Kellen Winslow, Gronk Kelsey, Shannon Sharp, Tony Gonzalez up there too. Maybe five that feel different. I mean, he's there's listen. And what's great about it is George Kittle was a middle round draft pick and Travis Kelsey was a middle lound. Antonio Gates wasn't drafted. It's it's a very interesting position because you have a defensive end body, but you can catch. And for years and years the NFL did not know what to do with tight end. I mean, they're still wildly underpaid. We all know running backs are underpaid. The problem is the good tight ends like brock Bowers. You can put them outside and have them be receivers and they're paid like tight ends. And we're getting these bigger, stronger athletes who are six five six six two forty eight and they run and you're like, okay, they've become incredible weapons. Over the course of my life, running backs and receivers and quarterbacks of as matter, left tackles of all has been important sore pass rushers. The smart coaches know how to use the tight end, and Andy Reid's an expert.

Oh, I think, look a look at these numbers. I mean, I think there's four four great tight ends ever, Kellen Winslow, Gronk Kelsey, Shannon Sharp, Tony Gonzalez up there too. Maybe five that feel different. I mean, he's there's listen. And what's great about it is George Kittle was a middle round draft pick and Travis Kelsey was a middle lound. Antonio Gates wasn't drafted. It's it's a very interesting position because you have a defensive end body, but you can catch. And for years and years the NFL did not know what to do with tight end. I mean, they're still wildly underpaid. We all know running backs are underpaid. The problem is the good tight ends like brock Bowers. You can put them outside and have them be receivers and they're paid like tight ends. And we're getting these bigger, stronger athletes who are six five six six two forty eight and they run and you're like, okay, they've become incredible weapons. Over the course of my life, running backs and receivers and quarterbacks of as matter, left tackles of all has been important sore pass rushers. The smart coaches know how to use the tight end, and Andy Reid's an expert.

It's going to be interesting what do the Bills do because Bernard had that huge strip of Mark Andrews. Do you try to match up Bernard with Kelsey? Bernard's pretty damn good. I know, he hasn't had amazing season. He's talented, and that leaves Milano to spy Mahomes because you know, Mahomes with all these cheap runs that he does and pick it up fifteen yards, you know, cheap runs, well, you know, it's like the backyard football and Mahomes next thing, you know, he's got twenty five yards outside.

It's going to be interesting what do the Bills do because Bernard had that huge strip of Mark Andrews. Do you try to match up Bernard with Kelsey? Bernard's pretty damn good. I know, he hasn't had amazing season. He's talented, and that leaves Milano to spy Mahomes because you know, Mahomes with all these cheap runs that he does and pick it up fifteen yards, you know, cheap runs, well, you know, it's like the backyard football and Mahomes next thing, you know, he's got twenty five yards outside.

They count, They do count.

They count, They do count.

Yeah, I mean, but he does that often. It's smart football. He's he's great.

Yeah, I mean, but he does that often. It's smart football. He's he's great.

I'm not knocking him by saying cheap runs, but you gotta spy Mahomes, right.

I'm not knocking him by saying cheap runs, but you gotta spy Mahomes, right.

Yeah, I don't feel that. I think Patrick runs often in the second half when he has to. If people watched first halfs on script, he doesn't like he doesn't run much, and then second half he'll run. But I Josh Allen runs.

Yeah, I don't feel that. I think Patrick runs often in the second half when he has to. If people watched first halfs on script, he doesn't like he doesn't run much, and then second half he'll run. But I Josh Allen runs.

The idea of those are different runs. Though Josh Allen's running you over. Mahomes is just running and then trying to draw flag anyway.

The idea of those are different runs. Though Josh Allen's running you over. Mahomes is just running and then trying to draw flag anyway.

So the Buffalo Bill's pass rush Rousseau von Miller at Fanezza like it's pretty.

So the Buffalo Bill's pass rush Rousseau von Miller at Fanezza like it's pretty.

They're built to take down these Chiefs. I mean Houston had how many sacks?

They're built to take down these Chiefs. I mean Houston had how many sacks?

Was this three?

Was this three?

Four at sacks against Mahomes. I think this Buffalo team's gonna be live. I'm word of the secondary injuries, though we're gonna have to wait to see what happens in practice with rap and uh.

Four at sacks against Mahomes. I think this Buffalo team's gonna be live. I'm word of the secondary injuries, though we're gonna have to wait to see what happens in practice with rap and uh.

Well, Kansas City is about one O line injury from being in trouble. So both teams cross your fingers in different units.

Well, Kansas City is about one O line injury from being in trouble. So both teams cross your fingers in different units.

I got a men's league game Sunday. Do I have to skip that to watch them?

I got a men's league game Sunday. Do I have to skip that to watch them?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I think idea.

I think idea.

Next story is Matt Stafford's future. We talked about it yesterday.

Next story is Matt Stafford's future. We talked about it yesterday.

Well, what about Cooper Cup, Colin, what do you think happens with Cooper Cup?

Well, what about Cooper Cup, Colin, what do you think happens with Cooper Cup?

Remember there was some trade.

Remember there was some trade.

Speculation earlier this season. He has two years left on his deal. Production has dipped considerably over the last few years.

Speculation earlier this season. He has two years left on his deal. Production has dipped considerably over the last few years.

He's a big crown winner. In twenty twenty one, he's a big dead cap hit. So they would like to get one more great year out of him. They're gonna draft another receiver to go with Pooka. They're very Pooka dominant.

He's a big crown winner. In twenty twenty one, he's a big dead cap hit. So they would like to get one more great year out of him. They're gonna draft another receiver to go with Pooka. They're very Pooka dominant.

Kupp spoke about his uncertainty.

Kupp spoke about his uncertainty.

I don't have any clarity on what that's going to look like or anything like that. So, yeah, obviously would love to be in LA, but I don't know what the you know what that looks like.

I don't have any clarity on what that's going to look like or anything like that. So, yeah, obviously would love to be in LA, but I don't know what the you know what that looks like.

I want to play next year?

I want to play next year?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind. Want I want play. I thought like a lot of the football left for me, So now I definitely will be playing. I'll be playing football next year.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind. Want I want play. I thought like a lot of the football left for me, So now I definitely will be playing. I'll be playing football next year.

Yeah, off a bye early in this season. It's just I don't know if it's degenerative. You know, the lower part of his body is breaking down. I still think he can be big. He's not separating, like remember he used to be always open, yeah, constantly. He's not anymo right, So I think could he have a career like Travis Kelcey where he's like your number three receiver in the regular season, but then in the big games you use him. Could he become that? But he's very expensive and he's he has regressed pretty quickly.

Yeah, off a bye early in this season. It's just I don't know if it's degenerative. You know, the lower part of his body is breaking down. I still think he can be big. He's not separating, like remember he used to be always open, yeah, constantly. He's not anymo right, So I think could he have a career like Travis Kelcey where he's like your number three receiver in the regular season, but then in the big games you use him. Could he become that? But he's very expensive and he's he has regressed pretty quickly.

So you did hear I would love to be in LA. You heard that from him, right.

So you did hear I would love to be in LA. You heard that from him, right.

I don't think if I'm the Chargers, that's the answer.

I don't think if I'm the Chargers, that's the answer.

I'm not saying the answer.

I'm not saying the answer.

But if you can grab dude, if the Rams cut him loose, he's very expensive, he is cut him loose and take the dead cap or whatever it is. I mean the Charger should definitely as a grown up a leader knows what it's like to get to a super Bowl.

But if you can grab dude, if the Rams cut him loose, he's very expensive, he is cut him loose and take the dead cap or whatever it is. I mean the Charger should definitely as a grown up a leader knows what it's like to get to a super Bowl.

I mean, why can't he have a late career. It serves like.

I mean, why can't he have a late career. It serves like.

Adam Thielen in Carolina. Sorry for the white on white comparison, but Adam Thielon.

Adam Thielen in Carolina. Sorry for the white on white comparison, but Adam Thielon.

Has still done well.

Has still done well.

Remember everybody thought he was washed after Minnesota. He's been pretty good in Carolina. Cooper Cup can be fine for Justin Herbert.

Remember everybody thought he was washed after Minnesota. He's been pretty good in Carolina. Cooper Cup can be fine for Justin Herbert.

I mean, I've got the rams like him, but Dave clearly if you watch the games, yeah, he's the minutes, he's the two. All right.

I mean, I've got the rams like him, but Dave clearly if you watch the games, yeah, he's the minutes, he's the two. All right.

Final story is to the NBA folks. The Warriors played the Celtics on MLK Day yesterday and Golden State suffered a forty point blowout loss, the worst in the Steve Kerr era. Draymond Green is out for at least another week with a cap string. Jonathan Kaminga out the next three weeks. Pods has an abdomen injury.

Final story is to the NBA folks. The Warriors played the Celtics on MLK Day yesterday and Golden State suffered a forty point blowout loss, the worst in the Steve Kerr era. Draymond Green is out for at least another week with a cap string. Jonathan Kaminga out the next three weeks. Pods has an abdomen injury.

Golden State. Remember they had that hot start twelve and three.

Golden State. Remember they had that hot start twelve and three.

Cowherd he was all excited for the Warriors.

Cowherd he was all excited for the Warriors.

They have gone nine and eighteen since.

They have gone nine and eighteen since.

Here's the thing this is, they don't want to They didn't want Jimmy Butler. My take is, who are we fooling here? You need another star and you don't have take a swing?

Here's the thing this is, they don't want to They didn't want Jimmy Butler. My take is, who are we fooling here? You need another star and you don't have take a swing?

You know you sing now or in the offseason.

You know you sing now or in the offseason.

I don't think there's a swing to be had now.

I don't think there's a swing to be had now.

Well Jimmy Butler, I mean, if Jimmy Butler facilitated.

Well Jimmy Butler, I mean, if Jimmy Butler facilitated.

Trade for him, yeah, I just think he's been trying to kind of fake it the last couple of years and you have your moments in your halfs, in your games. They do when they're arrested and feel right. But who we kidn't here. By the way, the Warriors and the Niners had about a six year run. Niners didn't get a trophy. Warriors they had about six to eight year run where you were like, wow, this is really special and they both got old and a little brittle and a little untalented very quickly.

Trade for him, yeah, I just think he's been trying to kind of fake it the last couple of years and you have your moments in your halfs, in your games. They do when they're arrested and feel right. But who we kidn't here. By the way, the Warriors and the Niners had about a six year run. Niners didn't get a trophy. Warriors they had about six to eight year run where you were like, wow, this is really special and they both got old and a little brittle and a little untalented very quickly.

I don't think the forty nine Ers run is definitely dead.

I don't think the forty nine Ers run is definitely dead.

Let's see what happens is this offseason with Purdy and all these high priced guys.

Let's see what happens is this offseason with Purdy and all these high priced guys.

It feels like the Warriors run is over.

It feels like the Warriors run is over.

And I, oh it is.

And I, oh it is.

This is my hot take that you know, Steph Curry they missed the playoffs. He can be like, guys, I'm still one of the best players.

This is my hot take that you know, Steph Curry they missed the playoffs. He can be like, guys, I'm still one of the best players.

Let me let me still one of the ten best players in the league. GY's I don't care what you say.

Let me let me still one of the ten best players in the league. GY's I don't care what you say.

There's no question. If you really want to do it, you move death and you could get you could absolutely get a all the thing.

There's no question. If you really want to do it, you move death and you could get you could absolutely get a all the thing.

Do you want that on your tombstone?

Do you want that on your tombstone?

The guy who traded Steph Curry out of you know, the greatest.

The guy who traded Steph Curry out of you know, the greatest.

Dynasty, the pat Riley is the guy that let Lebron go he's going to have He's just fine, Well, no, Lebron.

Dynasty, the pat Riley is the guy that let Lebron go he's going to have He's just fine, Well, no, Lebron.

Kind of decided that on. He's like, I'm not coming back.

Kind of decided that on. He's like, I'm not coming back.

But will you go to Curry and say where do you want to go?

But will you go to Curry and say where do you want to go?

I think that's probably a discussion.

I think that's probably a discussion.

Now.

Now.

Curry's two nice of a guy. He's really embedded in the community. I don't see him asking out. But you know what, I wonder if at some point he's like, you know.