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Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go our two on a Tuesday. I'm telling you this starting Thursday night. Jmax text me last night and as very distracted on my birthday and he said, Hey, Thursday, Penn State, Notre Dame. You want to hang out? And I gave it some thought and I said, yes, let's hang out. That's gonna be an all timer.

Calvertos wing his other opposes. Let me see what else is going on.

Calvertos wing his other opposes. Let me see what else is going on.

I was hanging out with Risillo last night. Oh ze, one glass of wine. I have snake dreams. I can't do two glasses.

I was hanging out with Risillo last night. Oh ze, one glass of wine. I have snake dreams. I can't do two glasses.

Well, I texted him yesterday that day.

Well, I texted him yesterday that day.

Yeah, he showed up for my birthday. My friend David Slay and Riscilla great chopping it up, having fun, talking about life. And you know, Rosilla couldn't keep his eyes on that Wizard's Orlando Magic game in the corner of the restaurant. He's breaking down NBA tape on a Monday Tuesday night. Okay, we do the Hurd hierarchy. This is the final Herd hierarchy of the regular season, so it's kind of like our it's our playoff Herd hierarchy.

Yeah, he showed up for my birthday. My friend David Slay and Riscilla great chopping it up, having fun, talking about life. And you know, Rosilla couldn't keep his eyes on that Wizard's Orlando Magic game in the corner of the restaurant. He's breaking down NBA tape on a Monday Tuesday night. Okay, we do the Hurd hierarchy. This is the final Herd hierarchy of the regular season, so it's kind of like our it's our playoff Herd hierarchy.

Here we go, heard hierarchy.

Here we go, heard hierarchy.

Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College Number ten, Tampa Bay. I put him in over Washington. They play him this weekend. I'll tell you there's one stat that I love about this team. They have the best third down offense in the NFL. That the only team on third down that converts over fifty percent.

Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College Number ten, Tampa Bay. I put him in over Washington. They play him this weekend. I'll tell you there's one stat that I love about this team. They have the best third down offense in the NFL. That the only team on third down that converts over fifty percent.

Of the time. That is a big stat for me.

Of the time. That is a big stat for me.

You're moving the chains, you're often keeping it away from Jayden Daniels. This is a team that situationally, is very very good. It's why I like Tampa to beat Washington. I put Tampa Bay at ten, number nine, the Packers. You know what I like to all year. But now Jordan Loves banged up Christian Watson is out.

You're moving the chains, you're often keeping it away from Jayden Daniels. This is a team that situationally, is very very good. It's why I like Tampa to beat Washington. I put Tampa Bay at ten, number nine, the Packers. You know what I like to all year. But now Jordan Loves banged up Christian Watson is out.

Listen.

Listen.

Seven straight games for Jordan Love without a giveaway. That is the longest streak of his career. So would it shock me if they went to Philadelphia and Jalen Hurts didn't play and they upset them. Know I said early in the year, and I believe this. They're a year away, but I'm gonna have them right now. There's so many things I like about the organization, but boy, Philadelphia is an Openers. It's a big lift. I'll take Green Bay at nine, number eight.

Seven straight games for Jordan Love without a giveaway. That is the longest streak of his career. So would it shock me if they went to Philadelphia and Jalen Hurts didn't play and they upset them. Know I said early in the year, and I believe this. They're a year away, but I'm gonna have them right now. There's so many things I like about the organization, but boy, Philadelphia is an Openers. It's a big lift. I'll take Green Bay at nine, number eight.

The Chargers.

The Chargers.

I don't think they have enough weaponry to get to a Super Bowl. But listen, they lose to the right teams. Five of their six losses came to the Chiefs twice, you know, Ravens Tampa Bay blew them out. So I think they're they're the best version of what they can be right now. And they've got a lot of things. I like a star quarterback, two excellent offensive tackles, Khalil Mack, Derwin James in the back end. But I feel they are running back a tied end, a wide receiver shot to beata Kansas City or a Baltimore or a Buffalo.

I don't think they have enough weaponry to get to a Super Bowl. But listen, they lose to the right teams. Five of their six losses came to the Chiefs twice, you know, Ravens Tampa Bay blew them out. So I think they're they're the best version of what they can be right now. And they've got a lot of things. I like a star quarterback, two excellent offensive tackles, Khalil Mack, Derwin James in the back end. But I feel they are running back a tied end, a wide receiver shot to beata Kansas City or a Baltimore or a Buffalo.

I have the Chargers at eight, number seven.

I have the Chargers at eight, number seven.

I'm gonna put the Rams one slot ahead of them because right now they are so healthy and when they have Cooper Cup and Stafford and Kyron Williams and Puka Nakua. They are fourteen and five and most of their losses are close. Matt Stafford's playing well. I don't love their first half offense this year. It feels like Stafford is an old pitcher that needs to get to the fifth inning to warm up. They just feel like they're not quite capable of getting off to good starts. An their defense keeps them in games and they usually win them. I don't think you can be a bad first half offense and win multiple playoff games. So whatever that is, they got to solve it. I have the Rams at seven, number six, the Vikings at six. The Rams Vikings is a great game.

I'm gonna put the Rams one slot ahead of them because right now they are so healthy and when they have Cooper Cup and Stafford and Kyron Williams and Puka Nakua. They are fourteen and five and most of their losses are close. Matt Stafford's playing well. I don't love their first half offense this year. It feels like Stafford is an old pitcher that needs to get to the fifth inning to warm up. They just feel like they're not quite capable of getting off to good starts. An their defense keeps them in games and they usually win them. I don't think you can be a bad first half offense and win multiple playoff games. So whatever that is, they got to solve it. I have the Rams at seven, number six, the Vikings at six. The Rams Vikings is a great game.

Listen.

Listen.

They were zero to four in red zone trips and Sam Darnold had too much juice and too much adrenaline and missed open throws. But the only two teams they've lost to this year the Lions a couple of times in the Rams, So like we're talking about a very good football team. Sam Darnold did not have a good game in a big spot. I didn't think it was a winnable game. I thought it was the biggest football game in Detroit with a better roster in fifteen years all took the Vikings F six.

They were zero to four in red zone trips and Sam Darnold had too much juice and too much adrenaline and missed open throws. But the only two teams they've lost to this year the Lions a couple of times in the Rams, So like we're talking about a very good football team. Sam Darnold did not have a good game in a big spot. I didn't think it was a winnable game. I thought it was the biggest football game in Detroit with a better roster in fifteen years all took the Vikings F six.

Number five, we have to be hot.

Number five, we have to be hot.

Speaking of history, you know, the Ravens are the first team in league history with four thousand passing yards and three thousand rushing yards in the season. That cannot be overlooked. This is just not another team in the NFL. They are a passing powerhouse and a running powerhouse, and they lead the NFL in yards per carry. So if you're gonna beat Kansas City, that is the way to do it. I'm not saying they're going to but the way to do it is you get four and a half yards of carry and Patrick Mahomes is thrown on third and two and second and four. That's the way to beat Kansas City. So I think they're uniquely built. They're a better version of what they've been in previous years. They're even better on the ground than previous years. Number four the Eagles Jalen Hurts concussion protocol, maybe I think their roster would be number one. I am a little worried about the Jalen Hurts situation. Listen, if Hurts and aj Brown play, they're eleven to zero and they have the best roster in the league. So I've always said the final four teams in my blazing five, I believe of the super Bowl teams, those are teams that can win a Super Bowl. My final four teams. You know, if I did this tomorrow and Jalen Hurts was out of protocol, I'd probably have him at three, but I'll.

Speaking of history, you know, the Ravens are the first team in league history with four thousand passing yards and three thousand rushing yards in the season. That cannot be overlooked. This is just not another team in the NFL. They are a passing powerhouse and a running powerhouse, and they lead the NFL in yards per carry. So if you're gonna beat Kansas City, that is the way to do it. I'm not saying they're going to but the way to do it is you get four and a half yards of carry and Patrick Mahomes is thrown on third and two and second and four. That's the way to beat Kansas City. So I think they're uniquely built. They're a better version of what they've been in previous years. They're even better on the ground than previous years. Number four the Eagles Jalen Hurts concussion protocol, maybe I think their roster would be number one. I am a little worried about the Jalen Hurts situation. Listen, if Hurts and aj Brown play, they're eleven to zero and they have the best roster in the league. So I've always said the final four teams in my blazing five, I believe of the super Bowl teams, those are teams that can win a Super Bowl. My final four teams. You know, if I did this tomorrow and Jalen Hurts was out of protocol, I'd probably have him at three, but I'll.

Put him at four.

Put him at four.

Number three Detroit now they're getting healthier on defense, and this should be noted, this is how good of a coach coordinator Aaron glenn is. I don't think they have great defensive personnel. I think they have great offensive personnel. They've allowed the lowest passer rating of any team in the NFL this year, and that's with Hutchison, their top pass rusher, out for most of the year and massive injuries in the back seven. This is a really, really well coached team and also another team that matches up with.

Number three Detroit now they're getting healthier on defense, and this should be noted, this is how good of a coach coordinator Aaron glenn is. I don't think they have great defensive personnel. I think they have great offensive personnel. They've allowed the lowest passer rating of any team in the NFL this year, and that's with Hutchison, their top pass rusher, out for most of the year and massive injuries in the back seven. This is a really, really well coached team and also another team that matches up with.

Like a Kansas City.

Like a Kansas City.

Two running backs, great on line like Baltimore can play some keep away Detroit at three. Number two Buffalo feels like the best version of Buffalo. They're no longer reckless. Fewest turnovers in a single season in NFL history, tied for the second fewest turnovers eight, So they don't beat themselves like previous seasons. They don't give the ball away, they don't lie sacks. So I think this is the best version of Baltimore and Buffalo this year. Is it good enough to beat Kansas City? If I was a betting person, I would say no.

Two running backs, great on line like Baltimore can play some keep away Detroit at three. Number two Buffalo feels like the best version of Buffalo. They're no longer reckless. Fewest turnovers in a single season in NFL history, tied for the second fewest turnovers eight, So they don't beat themselves like previous seasons. They don't give the ball away, they don't lie sacks. So I think this is the best version of Baltimore and Buffalo this year. Is it good enough to beat Kansas City? If I was a betting person, I would say no.

So let's go to number one and we all know who it is number one. Listen.

So let's go to number one and we all know who it is number one. Listen.

They're seven to two against current playoff teams this season, seven straight games without a turnover.

They're seven to two against current playoff teams this season, seven straight games without a turnover.

I think their.

I think their.

Receiving corps is more dynamic today than it's been the previous two years. Their defense maybe not quite as good. The AFC playoffs are gonna be one for the ages because you know, I look at this team and I see a little snazzier version of offense. Tavey, you are worthy now is a better tool than previous years. I think they now have a sex I can tight end. I don't think their offensive tackle situation is ideal, but it's good enough. But I think Baltimore and Buffalo are the best versions of Baltimore in Buffalo in years. And I do think a little bit. They'd rather face a bow Nicks potentially than a Joe Burrow. That's the advantage for the Chiefs, although I would have taken them to beat Cincinnati. And Nick Wright, cohost First Things First, joins us Now long, Okay, the wild cardin at is Philly. Who I thought Jalen Hurts played his best football in the last month, but now he's in concussion protocol. Anything jump out to you.

Receiving corps is more dynamic today than it's been the previous two years. Their defense maybe not quite as good. The AFC playoffs are gonna be one for the ages because you know, I look at this team and I see a little snazzier version of offense. Tavey, you are worthy now is a better tool than previous years. I think they now have a sex I can tight end. I don't think their offensive tackle situation is ideal, but it's good enough. But I think Baltimore and Buffalo are the best versions of Baltimore in Buffalo in years. And I do think a little bit. They'd rather face a bow Nicks potentially than a Joe Burrow. That's the advantage for the Chiefs, although I would have taken them to beat Cincinnati. And Nick Wright, cohost First Things First, joins us Now long, Okay, the wild cardin at is Philly. Who I thought Jalen Hurts played his best football in the last month, but now he's in concussion protocol. Anything jump out to you.

So a number of things. One is, I think you're letting people bully you, Colin. I don't think you actually believe the Vikings are going to beat the Rams, so just put the Rams out of them. I think you're going to pick the Rams. And I think that you didn't do that. You did having a ten and seventeen ad him a fourteen and three team you didn't want to do you love Darnold, And again I'm not we'll see, but my guess is Friday, when the Blazing five happens and you're staring at the Rams plus a point and a half, you grab that. So I would flip flop the Rams and the Vikings if you're doing what I think you're gonna do. And then lastly, you mentioned that you said something that so many people have said, and so I will just ask it to you, because it really this narrative that the Chiefs didn't want Cincinnati in the playoffs, despite the fact that the Chiefs have won three straight against Cincinnati, that since Cincinnati last won a playoff game, the Chiefs have won two Super Bowls. Yeah, and that the Bengals now have the same playoff drought as the Giants and the Jags. Set all that aside. In order to play the Bengals, the Bengals would have to beat the Bills. Don't you think the Chiefs would sign up right now for a play layoff path that involves guaranteed never playing Buffalo and you get Cincinnati in round two because that was the only path. The only way the chief played the Bengals was that the Bengals went to Buffalo and clipped the Bills. I would have loved that. I wish the Bengals were a better organization so they could have made the playoffs and made that happen. Unfortunately, they needed the Chiefs JV team to beat bo Nicks and they couldn't abide. But wouldn't that have been good for the Chiefs for the Bengals to get in and beat Buffalo.

So a number of things. One is, I think you're letting people bully you, Colin. I don't think you actually believe the Vikings are going to beat the Rams, so just put the Rams out of them. I think you're going to pick the Rams. And I think that you didn't do that. You did having a ten and seventeen ad him a fourteen and three team you didn't want to do you love Darnold, And again I'm not we'll see, but my guess is Friday, when the Blazing five happens and you're staring at the Rams plus a point and a half, you grab that. So I would flip flop the Rams and the Vikings if you're doing what I think you're gonna do. And then lastly, you mentioned that you said something that so many people have said, and so I will just ask it to you, because it really this narrative that the Chiefs didn't want Cincinnati in the playoffs, despite the fact that the Chiefs have won three straight against Cincinnati, that since Cincinnati last won a playoff game, the Chiefs have won two Super Bowls. Yeah, and that the Bengals now have the same playoff drought as the Giants and the Jags. Set all that aside. In order to play the Bengals, the Bengals would have to beat the Bills. Don't you think the Chiefs would sign up right now for a play layoff path that involves guaranteed never playing Buffalo and you get Cincinnati in round two because that was the only path. The only way the chief played the Bengals was that the Bengals went to Buffalo and clipped the Bills. I would have loved that. I wish the Bengals were a better organization so they could have made the playoffs and made that happen. Unfortunately, they needed the Chiefs JV team to beat bo Nicks and they couldn't abide. But wouldn't that have been good for the Chiefs for the Bengals to get in and beat Buffalo.

Well, I think the advantage Kansas City has now is Buffalo and Baltimore have shown, especially Baltimore, they get tight against Kansas City. Cincinnati's playing with house money. If they would have snuck in and Joe Burrow on house money with great receivers is always a little scary. There's always a playoff team that gets in and you know yeah, and you're like, they got to know.

Well, I think the advantage Kansas City has now is Buffalo and Baltimore have shown, especially Baltimore, they get tight against Kansas City. Cincinnati's playing with house money. If they would have snuck in and Joe Burrow on house money with great receivers is always a little scary. There's always a playoff team that gets in and you know yeah, and you're like, they got to know.

That offense, who could slow it down? I mean, the Steelers are falling apart. They hung a whole nineteen on them, uSell Wilson for getting clock and score to beat them, and they need I mean again the Bengals. The Bengals are the scariest team I've ever seen at the moment the season and then fired half their coaching staff. They're so scary. They're like, we need to revamp everything, but whatever we can. We don't have to talk about the teams that missed the playoffs today, so we can leave the Bengals out of it.

That offense, who could slow it down? I mean, the Steelers are falling apart. They hung a whole nineteen on them, uSell Wilson for getting clock and score to beat them, and they need I mean again the Bengals. The Bengals are the scariest team I've ever seen at the moment the season and then fired half their coaching staff. They're so scary. They're like, we need to revamp everything, but whatever we can. We don't have to talk about the teams that missed the playoffs today, so we can leave the Bengals out of it.

Let's talk about something we both have affection for is the city of Chicago and the Bears. And it's a it's a huge job. I suggested twenty minutes ago. I said it sounded crazy. If I would have said to you years before it happened. Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to the NFC championship, the Niners will bail on Joe Montana Kad will join the rival Warriors. I don't think it's crazy. If the Steelers got boxed, the Chicago calls Pittsburgh and says we'll take Mike Tomlin. And by the way, this league fired Andy Reid and Belichick. You can have the discussion. They haven't beaten a good quarterback in a playoff game in fifteen years. What I so I think if if I'm going to all these silly candidates the Bears are interviewing, there's like thirteen and some of them, you're like the offensive coordinator for Arizona. What are we doing here? I mean again, this is not American idol. I don't need to see all these tryouts. What's the point. So my take is is Tomlin. If they get beat I think they should consider Rabel or Tomlin.

Let's talk about something we both have affection for is the city of Chicago and the Bears. And it's a it's a huge job. I suggested twenty minutes ago. I said it sounded crazy. If I would have said to you years before it happened. Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to the NFC championship, the Niners will bail on Joe Montana Kad will join the rival Warriors. I don't think it's crazy. If the Steelers got boxed, the Chicago calls Pittsburgh and says we'll take Mike Tomlin. And by the way, this league fired Andy Reid and Belichick. You can have the discussion. They haven't beaten a good quarterback in a playoff game in fifteen years. What I so I think if if I'm going to all these silly candidates the Bears are interviewing, there's like thirteen and some of them, you're like the offensive coordinator for Arizona. What are we doing here? I mean again, this is not American idol. I don't need to see all these tryouts. What's the point. So my take is is Tomlin. If they get beat I think they should consider Rabel or Tomlin.

Am I nuts?

Am I nuts?

Well? No, I don't think you're nuts at all. I understand and I agree with the idea that Ben Johnson should be the number one candidate for two reasons. One is the ideal and you've talked about. It is pairing your young quarterback with the offensive minded coach so you don't have to worry about the quarterback learning new systems. That is the ideal. It has the added benefit of weakening the biggest competition within your own division. So I totally get that Ben Johnson should be the top candidate, but after him, I agree with you that I would prefer a established, proven coach like a Mike Rabel, certainly a Mike Tomlin if you could get him over. We're gonna spin the offensive coordinator wheel and hope it lands on a Kevin O'Connell rather than it landing on a Brian Dable. We're gonna hope it lands on a Matt Lafloor rather than landing on a Freddie Kitchens or a Shane Steichen like the It is very in vogue to just say, you know, they should go after Liam Cohen or, as you said, the offensive coordinator from Arizona. But a year ago, Bear's folks, a lot of people are like, you know, they should hire Bobby Slowick. Look at what he did in Chicago with CJ. Stroud. Well, Bobby Slowick all of a sudden didn't get a head coaching job, and now he is on the hot seat as the coordinator, so it's not quite as simple as flavor of the month offensive coach. I do think Ben Johnson would be a home run higher, but I am not at all against Mike Rabel there. I think he would be excellent. And obviously, if they could get Mike Tomlin, I think Mike Tomlin's great. I think he's clearly one of the five best coaches in the league, and so yeah, I think that would be great. You also, you are really dead set on the Bears trading for a coach. You wanted them to trade for Kyle Shanahan, now you want them trade for Mike Tomlin. You want the Bears to have a proven winner. And I like it. I like it.

Well? No, I don't think you're nuts at all. I understand and I agree with the idea that Ben Johnson should be the number one candidate for two reasons. One is the ideal and you've talked about. It is pairing your young quarterback with the offensive minded coach so you don't have to worry about the quarterback learning new systems. That is the ideal. It has the added benefit of weakening the biggest competition within your own division. So I totally get that Ben Johnson should be the top candidate, but after him, I agree with you that I would prefer a established, proven coach like a Mike Rabel, certainly a Mike Tomlin if you could get him over. We're gonna spin the offensive coordinator wheel and hope it lands on a Kevin O'Connell rather than it landing on a Brian Dable. We're gonna hope it lands on a Matt Lafloor rather than landing on a Freddie Kitchens or a Shane Steichen like the It is very in vogue to just say, you know, they should go after Liam Cohen or, as you said, the offensive coordinator from Arizona. But a year ago, Bear's folks, a lot of people are like, you know, they should hire Bobby Slowick. Look at what he did in Chicago with CJ. Stroud. Well, Bobby Slowick all of a sudden didn't get a head coaching job, and now he is on the hot seat as the coordinator, so it's not quite as simple as flavor of the month offensive coach. I do think Ben Johnson would be a home run higher, but I am not at all against Mike Rabel there. I think he would be excellent. And obviously, if they could get Mike Tomlin, I think Mike Tomlin's great. I think he's clearly one of the five best coaches in the league, and so yeah, I think that would be great. You also, you are really dead set on the Bears trading for a coach. You wanted them to trade for Kyle Shanahan, now you want them trade for Mike Tomlin. You want the Bears to have a proven winner. And I like it. I like it.

I will say this, I'm more impressed with Aaron Glenn in Detroit than Ben Johnson. And here's why. Aaron Glenn hasn't had hutcheson or a secondary for two months. And they have the best defense against quarterbacks.

I will say this, I'm more impressed with Aaron Glenn in Detroit than Ben Johnson. And here's why. Aaron Glenn hasn't had hutcheson or a secondary for two months. And they have the best defense against quarterbacks.

In the league. They allow the lowest pass right.

In the league. They allow the lowest pass right.

Ben Johnson's got the best O line, a number one receiver, two great backs, the best tackle combo. Like it's your playing with a lot of nice toys here that I think a lot's fair, and I think Aaron Glenn is a remarkable US hutcheson all of us were like uh oh uh oh no, they went and got B and C guys.

Ben Johnson's got the best O line, a number one receiver, two great backs, the best tackle combo. Like it's your playing with a lot of nice toys here that I think a lot's fair, and I think Aaron Glenn is a remarkable US hutcheson all of us were like uh oh uh oh no, they went and got B and C guys.

They put it in.

They put it in.

So I think what they did to Darnald, who was on a heater for three months, Donald looked like he was the Jets Darnald.

So I think what they did to Darnald, who was on a heater for three months, Donald looked like he was the Jets Darnald.

That's what I was about to say. That's what I was about to say. You want Colin Coward to think your defensive mastermind make Sam Darnald look.

That's what I was about to say. That's what I was about to say. You want Colin Coward to think your defensive mastermind make Sam Darnald look.

Bad, I can't.

Bad, I can't.

I mean, there's no survefyer thing for Colin to be like. That's the head coach right there. That if you can make Sam Darnald, of all people, only score nine points, I mean it's fair point.

I mean, there's no survefyer thing for Colin to be like. That's the head coach right there. That if you can make Sam Darnald, of all people, only score nine points, I mean it's fair point.

So I said this, the Jets haven't been good or interesting in forever.

So I said this, the Jets haven't been good or interesting in forever.

Rex Ryan and Aaron Rodgers.

Rex Ryan and Aaron Rodgers.

You might as well just call HBO now and say start micing people up for hard knocks. This is the greatest combination ever. When Rex Ryan puts his name out there for the Jets, part of me thinks, okay, I would prefer Ben Johnson, but he's gonna have offers and probably won't take it. How do you solve prickly Aaron Rodgers impulsive owner, pretty interesting roster. You're in the city, you're hearing all the opinions. How do you solve Aaron the Jets?

You might as well just call HBO now and say start micing people up for hard knocks. This is the greatest combination ever. When Rex Ryan puts his name out there for the Jets, part of me thinks, okay, I would prefer Ben Johnson, but he's gonna have offers and probably won't take it. How do you solve prickly Aaron Rodgers impulsive owner, pretty interesting roster. You're in the city, you're hearing all the opinions. How do you solve Aaron the Jets?

You don't, You can't. He's gonna be a forty two year old quarterback who has demonstrated over the last two healthy years of football that he is at best the seventeenth best quarterback in football with no leadership capabilities, and that where the team eats itself alive. So you can't solve that piece of it. But they're gonna need someone to go, so i'd move on from Aaron. But you're gonna need someone to coach the team either way. And if Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all time coup. I only it'll be a good decision. Yeah, but you don't do politics on this show smartly, and this isn't political. But I do want to give people, if they don't know what a brief history lesson long time ago. Back in Gosh, the late nineties, when George W. Bush was running for resident he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be That guy's name was the late Dick Cheney, and Dick Cheney did a bunch of research and then was like, you know what, after interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me, and he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannembaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets. Tannebaum gets hired to pick the next GM, I'm thinking Mike Tannabom's gonna have a list and at the top of the list is gonna be Mike Tannembaum and the coach that he had when he already was the GM, Rex Ryan. If they get the old band back together, being able to sell Woody Johnson on Hey, I mean, you've just sucked since we left. I guess it's an idea. It's not an idea I would sign up for. You mentioned Aaron Glenn. How about Aaron Glenn who played for the Jets, who has actual sweat equity with the franchise. That would make sense. But yeah, sure, Mike Tannembaum, Rex Ryan and Aaron Rodgers, which would have been an interesting combination in twenty ten. Running it back in twenty twenty five, Why.

You don't, You can't. He's gonna be a forty two year old quarterback who has demonstrated over the last two healthy years of football that he is at best the seventeenth best quarterback in football with no leadership capabilities, and that where the team eats itself alive. So you can't solve that piece of it. But they're gonna need someone to go, so i'd move on from Aaron. But you're gonna need someone to coach the team either way. And if Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all time coup. I only it'll be a good decision. Yeah, but you don't do politics on this show smartly, and this isn't political. But I do want to give people, if they don't know what a brief history lesson long time ago. Back in Gosh, the late nineties, when George W. Bush was running for resident he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be That guy's name was the late Dick Cheney, and Dick Cheney did a bunch of research and then was like, you know what, after interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me, and he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannembaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets. Tannebaum gets hired to pick the next GM, I'm thinking Mike Tannabom's gonna have a list and at the top of the list is gonna be Mike Tannembaum and the coach that he had when he already was the GM, Rex Ryan. If they get the old band back together, being able to sell Woody Johnson on Hey, I mean, you've just sucked since we left. I guess it's an idea. It's not an idea I would sign up for. You mentioned Aaron Glenn. How about Aaron Glenn who played for the Jets, who has actual sweat equity with the franchise. That would make sense. But yeah, sure, Mike Tannembaum, Rex Ryan and Aaron Rodgers, which would have been an interesting combination in twenty ten. Running it back in twenty twenty five, Why.

Not so so many things. The Lions do embody the NFL like I remember this years ago. It didn't bother me because Steph Clay and Draymond were drafted and developed by the Warriors and they'd already won pre KD. But when they signed Kevin Durant, it was kind of shocking to me. Everywhere I went for several years out in the public, they were.

Not so so many things. The Lions do embody the NFL like I remember this years ago. It didn't bother me because Steph Clay and Draymond were drafted and developed by the Warriors and they'd already won pre KD. But when they signed Kevin Durant, it was kind of shocking to me. Everywhere I went for several years out in the public, they were.

Like, eh, NBA stinks.

Like, eh, NBA stinks.

I refuse to watch a league where they where they basically bought a dynasty, and I'm like time out. Steph clan Draymond were drafted and developed. Draymond's second round people didn't like it. Detroit, a city that builds cars, has built a football team three wins, you know, nine wins, fourteen. I honestly think, and I was thinking about you this morning, if the Chiefs were to get beat Detroit would be the team that you would be like, Okay, good American story. You're a Midwesterner. They it's sweat equity. They put the time in. Just imagine losing the Super Bowl because I think Detroit is speaking to the country. I just saw the rating for the game Detroit and Minnesota was a bad game. The ratings insane. America loves this team. Do you love them?

I refuse to watch a league where they where they basically bought a dynasty, and I'm like time out. Steph clan Draymond were drafted and developed. Draymond's second round people didn't like it. Detroit, a city that builds cars, has built a football team three wins, you know, nine wins, fourteen. I honestly think, and I was thinking about you this morning, if the Chiefs were to get beat Detroit would be the team that you would be like, Okay, good American story. You're a Midwesterner. They it's sweat equity. They put the time in. Just imagine losing the Super Bowl because I think Detroit is speaking to the country. I just saw the rating for the game Detroit and Minnesota was a bad game. The ratings insane. America loves this team. Do you love them?

Yes?

Yes?

Oh, I respect them. And I thought Dan Campbell was incredibly reckless last Monday playing his guys, But listen, the guy drew to an inside straight and it worked out perfectly. He got out of that game, you know, mostly healthy, and it clear listened. They came out with their hair on fire and their biggest game of the year they won. Now they get the bye, and you got to give credit. I love the fact that the Lions are that they are who they are without apology when it comes to the aggressiveness offensively on the fourth downs, and I do like to bring them up again. The fact that Aaron Glenn has recognized, you know what, our defense isn't good enough because of the injuries to play you straight up. So we're gonna do to bring up the Chiefs the way the Chiefs before they had good defensive players won a Super Bowl in twenty nineteen, which is it's gonna be boom bust. We're gonna send the house repeatedly and maybe we'll get beat, but maybe we'll force a turnover, maybe we'll tip a pass, and that's how we're gonna make up for a lack of talent on defense because the Lions because they've suffered all those injuries. So I do have massive respect for what the Lions have done and how they have embodied their coaches culture, and I respect for Brad Holmes, the GM who said I don't care that people are gonna all their eyes at a draft that goes running back, inside backer, tight end, safety, because those are devalued positions. I'm going to get the best or second best player in the draft at all four spots, and while everyone else is taking defensive end seven and wide receiver six, I'm going to get starters. So I truly respect all of that. Do I like them? No, I don't like anyone but my team that's about to win the third race super Bowl. Like I don't like any of these teams. But I will tell you as far as if it is one versus one Chiefs Lions, it is going to be when they show those maps of who's rooting for who, the Chiefs will have Missouri in Kansas and the Lions will have all other forty eight states. It will even though they're fifteen and two, it will feel like the underdog because of who they are. And yeah, if someone's got to win Super Bowl. That's not the Chiefs. I suppose it'd be fine if it'd be the Lions, but unfortunately, the Chiefs win all the Super Bowls, and so they're probably just not going.

Oh, I respect them. And I thought Dan Campbell was incredibly reckless last Monday playing his guys, But listen, the guy drew to an inside straight and it worked out perfectly. He got out of that game, you know, mostly healthy, and it clear listened. They came out with their hair on fire and their biggest game of the year they won. Now they get the bye, and you got to give credit. I love the fact that the Lions are that they are who they are without apology when it comes to the aggressiveness offensively on the fourth downs, and I do like to bring them up again. The fact that Aaron Glenn has recognized, you know what, our defense isn't good enough because of the injuries to play you straight up. So we're gonna do to bring up the Chiefs the way the Chiefs before they had good defensive players won a Super Bowl in twenty nineteen, which is it's gonna be boom bust. We're gonna send the house repeatedly and maybe we'll get beat, but maybe we'll force a turnover, maybe we'll tip a pass, and that's how we're gonna make up for a lack of talent on defense because the Lions because they've suffered all those injuries. So I do have massive respect for what the Lions have done and how they have embodied their coaches culture, and I respect for Brad Holmes, the GM who said I don't care that people are gonna all their eyes at a draft that goes running back, inside backer, tight end, safety, because those are devalued positions. I'm going to get the best or second best player in the draft at all four spots, and while everyone else is taking defensive end seven and wide receiver six, I'm going to get starters. So I truly respect all of that. Do I like them? No, I don't like anyone but my team that's about to win the third race super Bowl. Like I don't like any of these teams. But I will tell you as far as if it is one versus one Chiefs Lions, it is going to be when they show those maps of who's rooting for who, the Chiefs will have Missouri in Kansas and the Lions will have all other forty eight states. It will even though they're fifteen and two, it will feel like the underdog because of who they are. And yeah, if someone's got to win Super Bowl. That's not the Chiefs. I suppose it'd be fine if it'd be the Lions, but unfortunately, the Chiefs win all the Super Bowls, and so they're probably just not going.

To Okay, Well, I love that confidence.

To Okay, Well, I love that confidence.

You. You know, you're a great poker player, so you have confidence even with losing hands. And I think that's imperative to be a great poker player. And I also think to be a sportscaster. Your history is you believe even in rough, turbulent waters.

You. You know, you're a great poker player, so you have confidence even with losing hands. And I think that's imperative to be a great poker player. And I also think to be a sportscaster. Your history is you believe even in rough, turbulent waters.

Oh yeah, I mean, well, yeah, that's the thing. It was really hard to believe in the Chiefs this year started fifteen and one, and all year long everyone was saying, what's wrong with them?

Oh yeah, I mean, well, yeah, that's the thing. It was really hard to believe in the Chiefs this year started fifteen and one, and all year long everyone was saying, what's wrong with them?

Real quick?

Real quick?

Have I made before I go? Happy belated birthday? My wife, who you always say such kind things about, said to me yesterday she said, you know, it's Colin's birthday. And I was like, oh, I didn't because I'm a man and I don't remember such things. And she said, she said, are you gonna call him? And I was like, no, I don't think I'm gonna call him. She was like that's She's like, Nick, he's your friend. You need to call him, and I'm like, I think he would find that odd. She was like, at least text him. So that birthday text you got from me yesterday was really just because she told me to like, I just it doesn't feel like I love you with all my heart. And it really felt weird even sending you that. I was like, I'll talk to him on TV the next day. But happy birthday.

Have I made before I go? Happy belated birthday? My wife, who you always say such kind things about, said to me yesterday she said, you know, it's Colin's birthday. And I was like, oh, I didn't because I'm a man and I don't remember such things. And she said, she said, are you gonna call him? And I was like, no, I don't think I'm gonna call him. She was like that's She's like, Nick, he's your friend. You need to call him, and I'm like, I think he would find that odd. She was like, at least text him. So that birthday text you got from me yesterday was really just because she told me to like, I just it doesn't feel like I love you with all my heart. And it really felt weird even sending you that. I was like, I'll talk to him on TV the next day. But happy birthday.

Well I appreciate it.

Well I appreciate it.

I'm one of these guys that says I don't care about birthdays. And then I got all these texts and these nice gifts, and I will be honest with you, it was very nice, So I appreciated it.

I'm one of these guys that says I don't care about birthdays. And then I got all these texts and these nice gifts, and I will be honest with you, it was very nice, So I appreciated it.

Nice gifts. Yeah, Wow, I guess I fell short. I just sent a text I wasn't even gonna send. I'll pay for that bottle of wine you were stunting on Twitter. If you just send me an invoice. Oh, I'll buy you that retroactively.

Nice gifts. Yeah, Wow, I guess I fell short. I just sent a text I wasn't even gonna send. I'll pay for that bottle of wine you were stunting on Twitter. If you just send me an invoice. Oh, I'll buy you that retroactively.

See you buddy, See.

See you buddy, See.

You, buddy, I'll send nick write an invoice. That's what I'll do now. People were really nice yesterday. You know, most kids that I paid college tuitions for nice. But I mean there was something in it, you know, But no, the point people are very thought and I'm one of these guys that say I'm always out there. I don't care about birthdays, and then people say nice stuff and it warms your heart.

You, buddy, I'll send nick write an invoice. That's what I'll do now. People were really nice yesterday. You know, most kids that I paid college tuitions for nice. But I mean there was something in it, you know, But no, the point people are very thought and I'm one of these guys that say I'm always out there. I don't care about birthdays, and then people say nice stuff and it warms your heart.

So who am I kidding? I'm a big soft nothing.

So who am I kidding? I'm a big soft nothing.

I'm out here like I don't care, I have no emotions, and I get all teary eyed when I get a backpack from a friend.

I'm out here like I don't care, I have no emotions, and I get all teary eyed when I get a backpack from a friend.

Jimmy, give me a break. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and Noone Easter Not a em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Yeah, we were talking about the Lions improving under Dan Campbell three thirteen and one to nine and eight to twelve and five to fifteen and two, and it's just been this put your head down, dust yourself off, draft and develop, don't bring anybody in, and it just keeps working. I think a lot of people see themselves, you know, sort of as the Lions in America.

Yeah, we were talking about the Lions improving under Dan Campbell three thirteen and one to nine and eight to twelve and five to fifteen and two, and it's just been this put your head down, dust yourself off, draft and develop, don't bring anybody in, and it just keeps working. I think a lot of people see themselves, you know, sort of as the Lions in America.

I think they've just improved.

I think they've just improved.

And people resent when you take shortcuts, whether it's for your football team, basketball team, or in life. So you know, it's I don't think it's any question if the Detroit Lions make the Super Bowl against the Kansas City Chiefs. It will shatter every record. I predicted Ohio State and Oregon was gonna shatter records, and that was a terrible game and that broke records. So there are certain games you can see in our business that are just big. Detroit making the Super Bowl is gonna shatter every Super Bowl viewing record. I think they resent they represent the middle of the country. It's like I said yesterday, it's the Chicago Cubs in shoulder pads and everybody remembers that, you know, Cubs World Series and Joe Buck on the call, and it just it resonates like people. People want to see people who have had a hard life. Nobody wants to see the wealthy guy win power Ball like nobody wants to see that. That's what the Warriors felt like. They already had money and they got Kevin Durant. People resented that even though the Warriors had built up through the draft a really good team that had already won a title. People thought it was it was too rich of icing for already a great wealthy cake.

And people resent when you take shortcuts, whether it's for your football team, basketball team, or in life. So you know, it's I don't think it's any question if the Detroit Lions make the Super Bowl against the Kansas City Chiefs. It will shatter every record. I predicted Ohio State and Oregon was gonna shatter records, and that was a terrible game and that broke records. So there are certain games you can see in our business that are just big. Detroit making the Super Bowl is gonna shatter every Super Bowl viewing record. I think they resent they represent the middle of the country. It's like I said yesterday, it's the Chicago Cubs in shoulder pads and everybody remembers that, you know, Cubs World Series and Joe Buck on the call, and it just it resonates like people. People want to see people who have had a hard life. Nobody wants to see the wealthy guy win power Ball like nobody wants to see that. That's what the Warriors felt like. They already had money and they got Kevin Durant. People resented that even though the Warriors had built up through the draft a really good team that had already won a title. People thought it was it was too rich of icing for already a great wealthy cake.

They didn't like it. Detroit is doing it the right way.

They didn't like it. Detroit is doing it the right way.

I was surprised because Golden State, to me, did it the right way, and then just like a lot of teams, they went and added a piece. A lot of teams do that. I mean, Shaq and d Wade won a title. Nobody resented that. I mean the Celtics had Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett and they had to Paul Pierce and nobody resented that. But boy, when kd is so great, then when Kad went to the Warriors, people were like, and it didn't matter that Steph Clay and Draymond didn't matter. They were drafted and developed and that they Draymond was second round and Klay Thompson played at Little Washington State and Steph Curry played at david'son it was like, and they won before Kevin Durant got there. It just felt like too much. People pushed back. Wealthy guy won Powerball gross, We don't like it. So I think Detroit's the opposite of that. They are all home grown. They've done it the right way, They've dusted themselves off. And you know, it's hard for me not Philadelphia has been there many times. It's hard for me not to root for Detroit. I don't like rooting for teams per se. I don't want confirmation bias. You know, I want to come in clean every day. Well, here's my opinion based on what I saw. It'd be hard not to root for Detroit to get to a Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. Be hard not to because we've all witnessed what's happened for the previous most of the previous fifty years.

I was surprised because Golden State, to me, did it the right way, and then just like a lot of teams, they went and added a piece. A lot of teams do that. I mean, Shaq and d Wade won a title. Nobody resented that. I mean the Celtics had Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett and they had to Paul Pierce and nobody resented that. But boy, when kd is so great, then when Kad went to the Warriors, people were like, and it didn't matter that Steph Clay and Draymond didn't matter. They were drafted and developed and that they Draymond was second round and Klay Thompson played at Little Washington State and Steph Curry played at david'son it was like, and they won before Kevin Durant got there. It just felt like too much. People pushed back. Wealthy guy won Powerball gross, We don't like it. So I think Detroit's the opposite of that. They are all home grown. They've done it the right way, They've dusted themselves off. And you know, it's hard for me not Philadelphia has been there many times. It's hard for me not to root for Detroit. I don't like rooting for teams per se. I don't want confirmation bias. You know, I want to come in clean every day. Well, here's my opinion based on what I saw. It'd be hard not to root for Detroit to get to a Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. Be hard not to because we've all witnessed what's happened for the previous most of the previous fifty years.

J Mack with the news. No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.

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Sor right, Let's quickly go to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones and the potential extension for Mike McCarthy. With his contracts set to expire exactly one week from today. Jerry continues to figure out how to handle things, but the Bears have requested an interview.

Sor right, Let's quickly go to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones and the potential extension for Mike McCarthy. With his contracts set to expire exactly one week from today. Jerry continues to figure out how to handle things, but the Bears have requested an interview.

With McCarthy about their opening.

With McCarthy about their opening.

McCarthy said that he absolutely wants to return to Dallas, but things can change quickly now the Cowboys and Bears play next season.

McCarthy said that he absolutely wants to return to Dallas, but things can change quickly now the Cowboys and Bears play next season.

Coward, if you're advising McCarthy, we tell.

Coward, if you're advising McCarthy, we tell.

Them Caleb Williams on a rookie contract or dak Off a second injury being paid like Mahomes. I think the Bears is very interesting. It's not like the Cowboys have great ownership. They have a Medaling owner. If I can get a talented quarterback for four years on a rookie contract despite reservations about the executive suite, that's very interesting to me. And I think Chicago's got more high end players than Dallas, Montees Wett, Jalen Johnson, Caleb Williams, Dj Moore. I mean there's like four or five really high end plagens.

Them Caleb Williams on a rookie contract or dak Off a second injury being paid like Mahomes. I think the Bears is very interesting. It's not like the Cowboys have great ownership. They have a Medaling owner. If I can get a talented quarterback for four years on a rookie contract despite reservations about the executive suite, that's very interesting to me. And I think Chicago's got more high end players than Dallas, Montees Wett, Jalen Johnson, Caleb Williams, Dj Moore. I mean there's like four or five really high end plagens.

So if you're McCarthy and you really want to get Dallas in Chicago hot for you, could you get a third team involved? Our producer here said, what if the Jets me to play for McCarthy, that would easily run off Aaron Rodgers, and then McCarthy gets started new in New York like Rogers did not playing for McCarthy.

So if you're McCarthy and you really want to get Dallas in Chicago hot for you, could you get a third team involved? Our producer here said, what if the Jets me to play for McCarthy, that would easily run off Aaron Rodgers, and then McCarthy gets started new in New York like Rogers did not playing for McCarthy.

Given how that ended in Green Bay. I just watched that Enigma.

Given how that ended in Green Bay. I just watched that Enigma.

That Gotham Chopra documentary on Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers was complimented throughout by Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy said nice things about him. I don't think I think in retrospect. Hey mean a lot of people, you know, they date, they they don't date, they get.

That Gotham Chopra documentary on Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers was complimented throughout by Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy said nice things about him. I don't think I think in retrospect. Hey mean a lot of people, you know, they date, they they don't date, they get.

Back to dating.

Back to dating.

I don't think everything's as final as sometimes the media presents I think Aaron and Mike McCarthy for a year could work.

I don't think everything's as final as sometimes the media presents I think Aaron and Mike McCarthy for a year could work.

And I think, wait, wait, wait, So it was only I believe three years ago, right, maybe two two three years ago when the falling out began and the stories came out that they would walk past each other in the halls in Green Bay, would not talk to each other like this season ended.

And I think, wait, wait, wait, So it was only I believe three years ago, right, maybe two two three years ago when the falling out began and the stories came out that they would walk past each other in the halls in Green Bay, would not talk to each other like this season ended.

Really, but Aaron now is much more vulnerable and McCarthy would come in with all the power. Now McCarthy would have a five year deal. Aaron, Aaron would have no power. Aaron at that time was American Matine Idol MVP.

Really, but Aaron now is much more vulnerable and McCarthy would come in with all the power. Now McCarthy would have a five year deal. Aaron, Aaron would have no power. Aaron at that time was American Matine Idol MVP.

He was MVP.

He was MVP.

Aaron had all the power, and we know an Aaron has power, he can be difficult. Now he would have virtually no power. So the relationship that dynamic has shifted in totally shifted. I think McCarthy and Aaron could work. Aaron was young. I mean Aaron walked into Green band was poking, according to the books I've read, poking Brett Farv in the Ribs and Farv was the most popular player in the league. That's Aaron's personality. Aaron now has no leverage with a new coach, none what's.

Aaron had all the power, and we know an Aaron has power, he can be difficult. Now he would have virtually no power. So the relationship that dynamic has shifted in totally shifted. I think McCarthy and Aaron could work. Aaron was young. I mean Aaron walked into Green band was poking, according to the books I've read, poking Brett Farv in the Ribs and Farv was the most popular player in the league. That's Aaron's personality. Aaron now has no leverage with a new coach, none what's.

Kind of me? I came in here. I was poking you a little bit.

Kind of me? I came in here. I was poking you a little bit.

Of the most popular guy in sports medium on a little poking.

Of the most popular guy in sports medium on a little poking.

No, no poky.

No, no poky.

Okay, all right, Let's move on to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who enter the postseason on a four game losing skid. Now one of them came against the Ravens, who they faced this week, and they are now ten point underdogs. Colin to make matters worse, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh have another unfortunate streak eight seasons without a playoff win, something Tomlin wants to take sole ownership up.

Okay, all right, Let's move on to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who enter the postseason on a four game losing skid. Now one of them came against the Ravens, who they faced this week, and they are now ten point underdogs. Colin to make matters worse, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh have another unfortunate streak eight seasons without a playoff win, something Tomlin wants to take sole ownership up.

What you mentioned is my story is not this collective story. Many of these guys involved and not tote those bags. I happily tote those bags, but it's not something that I'm gonna project on the collective. Next four weeks will be defined by string of nails, the ability to focus on task at hand, to win moments, to prepare with an edge, to be hyper singularly focused.

What you mentioned is my story is not this collective story. Many of these guys involved and not tote those bags. I happily tote those bags, but it's not something that I'm gonna project on the collective. Next four weeks will be defined by string of nails, the ability to focus on task at hand, to win moments, to prepare with an edge, to be hyper singularly focused.

It's just I don't think it's crazy that the Chicago Bears and Mike Tomlin, I mean the years. Let's be honest, the old I work at one company for thirty five years, that stuff doesn't exist except maybe in like factories, and even those factories, you know they get bought out by somebody overseas.

It's just I don't think it's crazy that the Chicago Bears and Mike Tomlin, I mean the years. Let's be honest, the old I work at one company for thirty five years, that stuff doesn't exist except maybe in like factories, and even those factories, you know they get bought out by somebody overseas.

That those days are over.

That those days are over.

Pat Riley used to say, after ten years, people just they just don't hear your voice, Andy Reid. Do you think he go Look at Andy Reid's career elevated, leaving a great franchise and going to another one.

Pat Riley used to say, after ten years, people just they just don't hear your voice, Andy Reid. Do you think he go Look at Andy Reid's career elevated, leaving a great franchise and going to another one.

Well, I don't know that it was his choice to leave.

Well, I don't know that it was his choice to leave.

What I'm saying is you can look at it and say, oh, I don't know. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I'm starting to wonder when Kyle Shanahan you think I'm crazy on this. Everybody loves Kyle. I'm seeing the same results at the end of the year. If McCaffrey doesn't play, they don't win.

What I'm saying is you can look at it and say, oh, I don't know. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I'm starting to wonder when Kyle Shanahan you think I'm crazy on this. Everybody loves Kyle. I'm seeing the same results at the end of the year. If McCaffrey doesn't play, they don't win.

You want me to be honest or it'd be a good teammate and be like, hey, okay, okay, you taking twenty one.

You want me to be honest or it'd be a good teammate and be like, hey, okay, okay, you taking twenty one.

Well, I just I'd rather you always be authentic. Okay.

Well, I just I'd rather you always be authentic. Okay.

The runoff Tomlin stuff just that's silly. Come on, they're now getting don't care if they lose forty four zero?

The runoff Tomlin stuff just that's silly. Come on, they're now getting don't care if they lose forty four zero?

There you not moving off Tomlin? Dude, He is the Steelers franchise.

There you not moving off Tomlin? Dude, He is the Steelers franchise.

You think Steelers, you think Mike Tomlin, tough, awesome, relevant every year.

You think Steelers, you think Mike Tomlin, tough, awesome, relevant every year.

Come on, Joe Montana was the Niners franchise.

Come on, Joe Montana was the Niners franchise.

He had injuries and they had a guy waiting in the wings. Who are you replacing Tomlin with? If you want to present to me a guy, this is the future of the Steelers. He's our next decade guy. And then I would at least listen. But you can't just get rid of Tomlin. The market's bear. Look at who's out there?

He had injuries and they had a guy waiting in the wings. Who are you replacing Tomlin with? If you want to present to me a guy, this is the future of the Steelers. He's our next decade guy. And then I would at least listen. But you can't just get rid of Tomlin. The market's bear. Look at who's out there?

You see what the bears are looking at? What thirteen dudes like jokers? I mean it is Drew Petsing.

You see what the bears are looking at? What thirteen dudes like jokers? I mean it is Drew Petsing.

Come on, do you want the Steelers to be interviewing you know, Joey Baggett doughnuts like that next week?

Come on, do you want the Steelers to be interviewing you know, Joey Baggett doughnuts like that next week?

Because you ran off Tomlin.

Because you ran off Tomlin.

I'm not saying you run Tomlin off. Tennessee just ran their GM off after fifteen mili.

I'm not saying you run Tomlin off. Tennessee just ran their GM off after fifteen mili.

We'll get to that in the final hour. Let's save your good material for that.

We'll get to that in the final hour. Let's save your good material for that.

So some Steelers playoff failures notes from our staff here. They've lost five straight playoff games. They trailed by twenty or more in each of them.

So some Steelers playoff failures notes from our staff here. They've lost five straight playoff games. They trailed by twenty or more in each of them.

Read that again for the audience. Read that again my straight playoff games.

Read that again for the audience. Read that again my straight playoff games.

So they lost the Steelers, and in each of the games they trailed by twenty.

So they lost the Steelers, and in each of the games they trailed by twenty.

Or more, and you think it's crazy to suggest it may be time.

Or more, and you think it's crazy to suggest it may be time.

Well, the fact that they're he's getting them to the playoffs where they're facing the Krem de la Krem.

Well, the fact that they're he's getting them to the playoffs where they're facing the Krem de la Krem.

Like, listen, that's impressive that you're getting there.

Like, listen, that's impressive that you're getting there.

You've trailed in all of those playoff games by twenty points.

You've trailed in all of those playoff games by twenty points.

Give it.

Give it.

You're facing Baker Mayfield. Good.

You're facing Baker Mayfield. Good.

Wow, that that game was. I think that was the Ben Roethlisberger meltdown.

Wow, that that game was. I think that was the Ben Roethlisberger meltdown.

But anyways, they are three and eight over their last thirteen postseasons and their wins are against Alex Smith, Matt Moore, and oh my gosh, aj mccerron.

But anyways, they are three and eight over their last thirteen postseasons and their wins are against Alex Smith, Matt Moore, and oh my gosh, aj mccerron.

So it's been a minute. We'll just say that in.

So it's been a minute. We'll just say that in.

A minute minutes done anything good in the postseason final story Colin to the NFC Bucks. So's the Commander Sunday rematch of the Week one matchup Tampa. They blew out Washington thirty seven to twenty. But listen, that was Jaden's first game as a pro. Todd Bowles recognizes the differences ahead of the wild card matchup.

A minute minutes done anything good in the postseason final story Colin to the NFC Bucks. So's the Commander Sunday rematch of the Week one matchup Tampa. They blew out Washington thirty seven to twenty. But listen, that was Jaden's first game as a pro. Todd Bowles recognizes the differences ahead of the wild card matchup.

I know this first time starting first game. They're a lot different. They're a lot better all the way around. You know, we're a different team and they're a different team, so it'll be a tough ball game. He can beat you a ton of ways from the pocket, out of the pocket, with his leg, with his arm. They got a lot of characters around them that can really play ball, so it's gonna be a tough game.

I know this first time starting first game. They're a lot different. They're a lot better all the way around. You know, we're a different team and they're a different team, so it'll be a tough ball game. He can beat you a ton of ways from the pocket, out of the pocket, with his leg, with his arm. They got a lot of characters around them that can really play ball, so it's gonna be a tough game.

I got nothing on this game yet. Do you have any Cheddarwick?

I got nothing on this game yet. Do you have any Cheddarwick?

I think.

I think.

Tampa feels like the side.

Tampa feels like the side.

I mean now the numbers three, so it's not as attractive, But Tampa hasing a build there. I got a lot of experience in that building. I've got some a lot of playoff experience. I mean they've won that division, what four years in a row. I got a lot of dudes that have played in a lot of big playoff games.

I mean now the numbers three, so it's not as attractive, But Tampa hasing a build there. I got a lot of experience in that building. I've got some a lot of playoff experience. I mean they've won that division, what four years in a row. I got a lot of dudes that have played in a lot of big playoff games.

I think dan Quinn's been in some big ones. Yeah, but that roster, none of those those players haven't.

I think dan Quinn's been in some big ones. Yeah, but that roster, none of those those players haven't.

Been curious if Marshawn Lattimore is ago, he was picked up by Washington supposed to well, he gave me trouble.

Been curious if Marshawn Lattimore is ago, he was picked up by Washington supposed to well, he gave me trouble.

He's got a.

He's got a.

History with Evans that would be huge if he could play. Last time we saw him.

History with Evans that would be huge if he could play. Last time we saw him.

He was getting cooked by.

He was getting cooked by.

I think it was Drake London and that remember the Falcons Washington game. Well, Cook's a little strong, but bro he had like three penals, three pass interferce penalty.

I think it was Drake London and that remember the Falcons Washington game. Well, Cook's a little strong, but bro he had like three penals, three pass interferce penalty.

He should have been a fourth.

He should have been a fourth.

Uh, I kind of want to take Washington.

Uh, I kind of want to take Washington.

I need some more time on this one.

I need some more time on this one.

It is a game I don't feel. That's how I feel about Rams Vikings.

It is a game I don't feel. That's how I feel about Rams Vikings.

Oh come on, that's your layouf of the week.

Oh come on, that's your layouf of the week.

Not quite free money, but I feel very good about the Rams getting points money lines. Yeah, you know, Nick made a rare good point when he said that you know you're blinded by Sam Darnold and you you just can't see through it.

Not quite free money, but I feel very good about the Rams getting points money lines. Yeah, you know, Nick made a rare good point when he said that you know you're blinded by Sam Darnold and you you just can't see through it.

You like him, you don't want him to lose, and you want to.

You like him, you don't want him to lose, and you want to.

I don't want it.

I don't want it.

I don't want him to lose badly. If he loses twenty eight twenty seven and plays well, I'm good with it now. I don't want him to stink Jmack with the news.

I don't want him to lose badly. If he loses twenty eight twenty seven and plays well, I'm good with it now. I don't want him to stink Jmack with the news.

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I don't think it's a terrible idea to have Rex Ryan be one of the final three or four candidates for the New York Jets.

I don't think it's a terrible idea to have Rex Ryan be one of the final three or four candidates for the New York Jets.

I don't think it's crazy.

I don't think it's crazy.

He wouldn't be my first pick, but I think I don't think it's crazy because it's a broken franchise and he is a culture changer. And that's why I think veryable to the Bears make sense. I don't think the New England Patriots culture is broken. I just don't think Girod Mayo I thought it was over his skis. I don't think the culture's broken. There's a difference, you know, Like right now, Tennessee needs Tennessee needs a quarterback. Brian Callahan to me a pretty interesting coach, and they got some personnel. I like, they just don't have the right quarterback. Don't confuse those two. But the Rex Ryan is putting his name out there for coach of the Jets. And just because I think it would be fascinating to have Alpha Rex Ryan, defensive guy who does not know how to handle quarterbacks, and then Aaron Rodgers in the same building. I think it would be just again it's hard knock, start micing him up.

He wouldn't be my first pick, but I think I don't think it's crazy because it's a broken franchise and he is a culture changer. And that's why I think veryable to the Bears make sense. I don't think the New England Patriots culture is broken. I just don't think Girod Mayo I thought it was over his skis. I don't think the culture's broken. There's a difference, you know, Like right now, Tennessee needs Tennessee needs a quarterback. Brian Callahan to me a pretty interesting coach, and they got some personnel. I like, they just don't have the right quarterback. Don't confuse those two. But the Rex Ryan is putting his name out there for coach of the Jets. And just because I think it would be fascinating to have Alpha Rex Ryan, defensive guy who does not know how to handle quarterbacks, and then Aaron Rodgers in the same building. I think it would be just again it's hard knock, start micing him up.

Now here's Rex Ryan.

Now here's Rex Ryan.

Clearly, when you have a guy that doesn't show up for mandatory mini camp, and by the ways, your quarterback coming off an injury, I think that's an absolutely ridiculous message you sent to the team. If he comes back, things would be different. If he's back, it ain't gonna be the the country club. You know, show up whenever the hell you want to show up. That ain't gonna happen.

Clearly, when you have a guy that doesn't show up for mandatory mini camp, and by the ways, your quarterback coming off an injury, I think that's an absolutely ridiculous message you sent to the team. If he comes back, things would be different. If he's back, it ain't gonna be the the country club. You know, show up whenever the hell you want to show up. That ain't gonna happen.

That is a very popular populist message. Will be tough around here. And by the way, Dan Campbell had some of that stuff, although he didn't call out anybody individually. I don't think you want to call Aaron Rodgers out personally. I don't think that's the smartest thing to do. But Rex Ryan always leads with his chin. That's sort of who he is. It wouldn't be my first choice, but he got along with Woody Johnson. But I thought Nick right, I got to bring it back about thirty minutes ago had a funny reference on Rex Ryan potentially being the Jets head coach again.

That is a very popular populist message. Will be tough around here. And by the way, Dan Campbell had some of that stuff, although he didn't call out anybody individually. I don't think you want to call Aaron Rodgers out personally. I don't think that's the smartest thing to do. But Rex Ryan always leads with his chin. That's sort of who he is. It wouldn't be my first choice, but he got along with Woody Johnson. But I thought Nick right, I got to bring it back about thirty minutes ago had a funny reference on Rex Ryan potentially being the Jets head coach again.

If Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all time coup it only it'll be a good decision. But you don't do politics on this show smartly, and this isn't political. But I do want to give people, if they don't know what, a brief history lesson long time ago. Back in Gosh, the late nineties, when George W. Bush was running for president, he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be. And Dick Jenney did a bunch of research and then was like, you know what, after interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me, and he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannembaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets. Tannebaum gets hired to pick the next GM. I'm thinking Mike Tannabom's gonna have a list and at the top of the list is gonna be Mike Tannebaum and the coach that he had when he already was the GM Rex Ryan.