Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It's hour two and a Thursday, day after Christmas. I hope you had a joyous holiday season. My kids are all over the country. Maybe yours are as well. When I stopped buying, saw a couple of friends last night and it was so great to see everybody I brought. I came bearing gifts, little wine, little vino. Hope you had a great holiday season. I hope you're safe. I hope you're avoiding airports as much as you can. Three really good NBA games. Yesterday NFL kind of stinkers, but Saturday in the NFL JMAC we have three really really good Saturday NFL games. So they moved games around late in the season because of the holiday schedule. And then next week between Saturday Sunday and next week early the college football games. This is the heart of great football in America. It is unbelievable.

Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It's hour two and a Thursday, day after Christmas. I hope you had a joyous holiday season. My kids are all over the country. Maybe yours are as well. When I stopped buying, saw a couple of friends last night and it was so great to see everybody I brought. I came bearing gifts, little wine, little vino. Hope you had a great holiday season. I hope you're safe. I hope you're avoiding airports as much as you can. Three really good NBA games. Yesterday NFL kind of stinkers, but Saturday in the NFL JMAC we have three really really good Saturday NFL games. So they moved games around late in the season because of the holiday schedule. And then next week between Saturday Sunday and next week early the college football games. This is the heart of great football in America. It is unbelievable.

Chris.

Chris.

New Year's Eve, we get one of the playoff games and then three on New Year's Day.

New Year's Eve, we get one of the playoff games and then three on New Year's Day.

So it's a banger of a week coming up.

So it's a banger of a week coming up.

It really is.

It really is.

It is a banger of a week. I want to just get and I told you I'm gonna sell I got a four point plan for the Jets. I'm gonna unveil this at the bottom of the hour. About twenty five after I really feel strongly about this. I watched Enigma, the documentary Gotham Chopra and Aaron Rodgers, and I say, I mean, I'm listen. I'm a big enough nerd. I sat there and took notes and I thought to myself, you know, this Rubik's Cube is not impossible to solve, and it's actually very easy if they do four steps, and they'll get to those. But first let's bring in Greg Cosell. NFL films forty five years always on Thursday, so you know you'll watch Kansas City and this is what they do. They end up in January, December and January. They solve an offensive line issue. Now they've got Xavier Worthy and here's Hollywood Brown. They do a very good job. What's in important to me in the media is big stories. What's important to them are the details and solving little riddles throughout the course of the season. And let's talk about Mahomes and his efficiency over the last couple of months. What's the film say.

It is a banger of a week. I want to just get and I told you I'm gonna sell I got a four point plan for the Jets. I'm gonna unveil this at the bottom of the hour. About twenty five after I really feel strongly about this. I watched Enigma, the documentary Gotham Chopra and Aaron Rodgers, and I say, I mean, I'm listen. I'm a big enough nerd. I sat there and took notes and I thought to myself, you know, this Rubik's Cube is not impossible to solve, and it's actually very easy if they do four steps, and they'll get to those. But first let's bring in Greg Cosell. NFL films forty five years always on Thursday, so you know you'll watch Kansas City and this is what they do. They end up in January, December and January. They solve an offensive line issue. Now they've got Xavier Worthy and here's Hollywood Brown. They do a very good job. What's in important to me in the media is big stories. What's important to them are the details and solving little riddles throughout the course of the season. And let's talk about Mahomes and his efficiency over the last couple of months. What's the film say.

Yeah, And I think Colin quite frankly, there's been a little misconception about the Chiefs.

Yeah, And I think Colin quite frankly, there's been a little misconception about the Chiefs.

This is a Mahomes driven offense.

This is a Mahomes driven offense.

He has the most dropbacks of any quarterback in the NFL going back nine weeks, but in his last six games he has not thrown an interception, and again, most dropbacks in the league, So it's a pass first offense. There was a lot of talk earlier in the season about the running game that's kind of disappeared. It's all driven by Mahomes. They lead the NFL in third down conversions. He's phenomenal on third down. They control the ball their second in time of possession, and that becomes really important because when you control the pace and tempo of the game, your defense plays fewer snaps, and that is absolutely critical. I remember a coach telling me years ago that in an ideal world, you don't want your defense playing any more than sixty to sixty four snaps a game. And we know how good Steve Spagnolo is anyway, So now you have a complete team.

He has the most dropbacks of any quarterback in the NFL going back nine weeks, but in his last six games he has not thrown an interception, and again, most dropbacks in the league, So it's a pass first offense. There was a lot of talk earlier in the season about the running game that's kind of disappeared. It's all driven by Mahomes. They lead the NFL in third down conversions. He's phenomenal on third down. They control the ball their second in time of possession, and that becomes really important because when you control the pace and tempo of the game, your defense plays fewer snaps, and that is absolutely critical. I remember a coach telling me years ago that in an ideal world, you don't want your defense playing any more than sixty to sixty four snaps a game. And we know how good Steve Spagnolo is anyway, So now you have a complete team.

But make no.

But make no.

Mistake, this is driven by Patrick Mahomes. He's playing really well. What we're not seeing, and I think where people think, oh, Mahomes isn't what it used to be is we just don't see a lot of sixty.

Mistake, this is driven by Patrick Mahomes. He's playing really well. What we're not seeing, and I think where people think, oh, Mahomes isn't what it used to be is we just don't see a lot of sixty.

Our touchdown passes.

Our touchdown passes.

But he's controlling the game with incredible efficiency.

But he's controlling the game with incredible efficiency.

So you and I both like Sam Darnold rough start. We always saw the playmaking. We always saw the playmaking, We always saw the big arm, but he could be reckless. Is there something the film says though, and this is why I love bringing you on? Is there something the film says about Donald but he doesn't necessarily get a ton of credit for.

So you and I both like Sam Darnold rough start. We always saw the playmaking. We always saw the playmaking, We always saw the big arm, but he could be reckless. Is there something the film says though, and this is why I love bringing you on? Is there something the film says about Donald but he doesn't necessarily get a ton of credit for.

I think there's two things.

I think there's two things.

And you know, Colin, because I send him my evaluations of college quarterbacks, you know I'm.

And you know, Colin, because I send him my evaluations of college quarterbacks, you know I'm.

A traits guy.

A traits guy.

Yes, So there's two traits that I think have really stood out with Darnold that we didn't see much of early in his career. It might be his natural development, it might be the coaching. We don't know that, but there's two traits. One is pocket movement. He's much more efficient and much more effective when he moves within the pocket. I'm not talking about running out of the pocket. I'm talking about moving within the pocket, as we see on this touchdown last week that won the game to Jefferson. The other thing is sort of a corollary point to that. That's his ability to stay in the pocket and make late in the down throws when the pocket is squeezed and there's bodies around him. That was something he did not do well early in his career. He made a lot of bad reads and bad throws when he tried to do that.

Yes, So there's two traits that I think have really stood out with Darnold that we didn't see much of early in his career. It might be his natural development, it might be the coaching. We don't know that, but there's two traits. One is pocket movement. He's much more efficient and much more effective when he moves within the pocket. I'm not talking about running out of the pocket. I'm talking about moving within the pocket, as we see on this touchdown last week that won the game to Jefferson. The other thing is sort of a corollary point to that. That's his ability to stay in the pocket and make late in the down throws when the pocket is squeezed and there's bodies around him. That was something he did not do well early in his career. He made a lot of bad reads and bad throws when he tried to do that.

He's gotten so much better at that.

He's gotten so much better at that.

So there are two areas of pocket play that are absolutely critical to being a higher level pocket quarterback that he's improved significantly at.

So there are two areas of pocket play that are absolutely critical to being a higher level pocket quarterback that he's improved significantly at.

Yeah, he's willing to take a hit, play a little linebacker in high school. He's a tough kid, and he'll sit in there to the very end and get smoked. And I think, you na, So I think what's fascinating with Philadelphia. Everybody acknowledges it's a Barkley offense and Jalen throws less. But if you look at Green Bay, I'm actually seeing the same thing where it's a Josh Jacobs Lafleor offense and Jordan Love who they like, who has excellent weapons, is throwing less. And I find it fascinating because when Lafleur was in Tennessee, he had Derrick Henry and his reputation. I remember making calls people said, I don't know about creating a culture, but he likes to pound the ball, and it feels like we're finally seeing his offense.

Yeah, he's willing to take a hit, play a little linebacker in high school. He's a tough kid, and he'll sit in there to the very end and get smoked. And I think, you na, So I think what's fascinating with Philadelphia. Everybody acknowledges it's a Barkley offense and Jalen throws less. But if you look at Green Bay, I'm actually seeing the same thing where it's a Josh Jacobs Lafleor offense and Jordan Love who they like, who has excellent weapons, is throwing less. And I find it fascinating because when Lafleur was in Tennessee, he had Derrick Henry and his reputation. I remember making calls people said, I don't know about creating a culture, but he likes to pound the ball, and it feels like we're finally seeing his offense.

Well, it's the air of the running back.

Well, it's the air of the running back.

We're gonna have probably five or six backs with over three hundred tarries. We had none last year, and Josh Jacobs will be one of those backs barring an injury. And they start with the run game, and they're very multiple with their run game.

We're gonna have probably five or six backs with over three hundred tarries. We had none last year, and Josh Jacobs will be one of those backs barring an injury. And they start with the run game, and they're very multiple with their run game.

That's the thing. You're seeing a lot more multiplicity with teams.

That's the thing. You're seeing a lot more multiplicity with teams.

That run the ball, and the Packers are a great example all the use of different backfield as they play with two running backs what we call the pony package.

That run the ball, and the Packers are a great example all the use of different backfield as they play with two running backs what we call the pony package.

A lot of teams are doing this.

A lot of teams are doing this.

The Packers are one of the teams doing it quite a bit, and they're so multiple with their run game concepts.

The Packers are one of the teams doing it quite a bit, and they're so multiple with their run game concepts.

The way they use Jaden Reid.

The way they use Jaden Reid.

In the backfield with different motions. So it all starts with the run game.

In the backfield with different motions. So it all starts with the run game.

But it's not.

But it's not.

Old school run game, Colin, where you just line up and give it to the back and say let's bang it up in there. They're very, very multiple, a lot of different formation, looks a lot of different personnel, a lot of different motions.

Old school run game, Colin, where you just line up and give it to the back and say let's bang it up in there. They're very, very multiple, a lot of different formation, looks a lot of different personnel, a lot of different motions.

You know, it's funny about Dereck Henry first couple of years, wasn't a superstar in the league. Then he develops into one, and then he goes to Baltimore and it's easy to say, well, you know, it's the Ravens. Of course he can run it, but they replace three starters on the old line. It seems to me that it's not just that Derrick Henry's talented. It seems to me that the way they use him, it's he's getting yards before contact a lot this year. That's what it looks like to me. He's always in good plus post contact. But what are they doing specifically to Derrick Henry, who is given him kind of a rebirth in the league.

You know, it's funny about Dereck Henry first couple of years, wasn't a superstar in the league. Then he develops into one, and then he goes to Baltimore and it's easy to say, well, you know, it's the Ravens. Of course he can run it, but they replace three starters on the old line. It seems to me that it's not just that Derrick Henry's talented. It seems to me that the way they use him, it's he's getting yards before contact a lot this year. That's what it looks like to me. He's always in good plus post contact. But what are they doing specifically to Derrick Henry, who is given him kind of a rebirth in the league.

Well, there's no question that the Lamar factor plays into that, because you have to account for Lamar in the run game. So there's no question that the way defenses have to align has to have an accounting for Lamar Jackson, and that impacts run support. So it's not just as he was in Tennessee where they were just lining up and give him the ball.

Well, there's no question that the Lamar factor plays into that, because you have to account for Lamar in the run game. So there's no question that the way defenses have to align has to have an accounting for Lamar Jackson, and that impacts run support. So it's not just as he was in Tennessee where they were just lining up and give him the ball.

But I think Henry as a whole. You know, It's funny.

But I think Henry as a whole. You know, It's funny.

I remember talking to a coach who was at Alabama at the time and he's now in the NFL, and I wasn't sure after two years if this was if saying Derrick Henry could be what he's become. And I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, because obviously Derek Henry's on his way to being a Hall of Fame back. But the thing about Henry because in a sense he's not a power runner and that he runs over people Colin, but he's a power runner in this sense. When it's blocked for three, you look up and he just got seven, and you go, how do he get seven? It didn't look like he got seven, but he just got seven. And then you add that to the fact that he can take it to the house for his size on any given play, and that combination is really hard to beat. But there's no question that the Lamar Jackson factor figures into how defenses have to align, and therefore that really dictates run support issues for defenses.

I remember talking to a coach who was at Alabama at the time and he's now in the NFL, and I wasn't sure after two years if this was if saying Derrick Henry could be what he's become. And I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, because obviously Derek Henry's on his way to being a Hall of Fame back. But the thing about Henry because in a sense he's not a power runner and that he runs over people Colin, but he's a power runner in this sense. When it's blocked for three, you look up and he just got seven, and you go, how do he get seven? It didn't look like he got seven, but he just got seven. And then you add that to the fact that he can take it to the house for his size on any given play, and that combination is really hard to beat. But there's no question that the Lamar Jackson factor figures into how defenses have to align, and therefore that really dictates run support issues for defenses.

So I want to talk about a kid because I picked Atlanta to win their division and they've beaten the Bucks twice. And you know, we were going back and forth on this show, why won't they play him? As Kirk Cousins was regressing. In My take was they wrote a big check to Kirk Cousins, and Arthur Blank probably wanted to get every start out of Kirk Cousins before they sent under the bench, because once you played Penick, you're not going to go back to Cousins. What of the debut? The debut, what about it did you like?

So I want to talk about a kid because I picked Atlanta to win their division and they've beaten the Bucks twice. And you know, we were going back and forth on this show, why won't they play him? As Kirk Cousins was regressing. In My take was they wrote a big check to Kirk Cousins, and Arthur Blank probably wanted to get every start out of Kirk Cousins before they sent under the bench, because once you played Penick, you're not going to go back to Cousins. What of the debut? The debut, what about it did you like?

Well, you've always talked about this with quarterbacks, Colin about coaching, and I thought this was a great example the kids making his first start.

Well, you've always talked about this with quarterbacks, Colin about coaching, and I thought this was a great example the kids making his first start.

You and I both love his talent.

You and I both love his talent.

We know we can throw the ball, we know we can sit on his back foot and drive it with velocity.

We know we can throw the ball, we know we can sit on his back foot and drive it with velocity.

We know what his traits are.

We know what his traits are.

But what they did exceptionally, well you're almost seeing it on this play right here that we're looking at. Is there an outside zone foundation run team with Vjon Robinson another back By the way, he might get three hundred carries.

But what they did exceptionally, well you're almost seeing it on this play right here that we're looking at. Is there an outside zone foundation run team with Vjon Robinson another back By the way, he might get three hundred carries.

So what they did is.

So what they did is.

They countered off that beautifully with the play action and the play Action boot Pass game. So they use their outside zone run foundation to really help Penix get comfortable in the game and define the reds and the throws and the thing that he does really well and there's not a lot of quarterbacks who do this. He throws outside the numbers really well, and there's a lot of juice on those throws. And obviously he can throw between the numbers. I mean those are easier throws relatively speaking, But to drive the ball outside the numbers, he can do that, and he can just sit on his back foot and do that. Yeah, he does not necessarily need to stride into those throws.

They countered off that beautifully with the play action and the play Action boot Pass game. So they use their outside zone run foundation to really help Penix get comfortable in the game and define the reds and the throws and the thing that he does really well and there's not a lot of quarterbacks who do this. He throws outside the numbers really well, and there's a lot of juice on those throws. And obviously he can throw between the numbers. I mean those are easier throws relatively speaking, But to drive the ball outside the numbers, he can do that, and he can just sit on his back foot and do that. Yeah, he does not necessarily need to stride into those throws.

Yeah, No, he's got an arm. So this past week on Monday, Matt Hasselbeck said something interesting. He said, you know, Caleb's not an anticipatory thrower, and he goes, I think you have to be in this league and some guys can develop into it. But you have been higher on Caleb even during his losing streak. There's a lot to like, let's address that anticipatory thing. Because I thought hassel Beck was willing to say it, and I think it's true. I now watch him when he plays, and some guys you got to be opener. I won't let it rip. What do you make of that criticism?

Yeah, No, he's got an arm. So this past week on Monday, Matt Hasselbeck said something interesting. He said, you know, Caleb's not an anticipatory thrower, and he goes, I think you have to be in this league and some guys can develop into it. But you have been higher on Caleb even during his losing streak. There's a lot to like, let's address that anticipatory thing. Because I thought hassel Beck was willing to say it, and I think it's true. I now watch him when he plays, and some guys you got to be opener. I won't let it rip. What do you make of that criticism?

Right?

Right?

I think it's fair. And don't forget he's got a big arm. He throws a really tight spiral. The ball comes out so at times he can compensate for that. But what the film shows is when he sees it and the primary is clean, man, does he look good. He made two throws at the end of the first half last week, a digball to more for about twenty five yards and then he threw the touchdown to Keenan Allen, and those throws were defined.

I think it's fair. And don't forget he's got a big arm. He throws a really tight spiral. The ball comes out so at times he can compensate for that. But what the film shows is when he sees it and the primary is clean, man, does he look good. He made two throws at the end of the first half last week, a digball to more for about twenty five yards and then he threw the touchdown to Keenan Allen, and those throws were defined.

They were clean. They were the primary reads on those throws.

They were clean. They were the primary reads on those throws.

When he sees it that way, he looks really good. But I think one reason he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. Colin hasn't thrown one in a long time is if he doesn't see it, he's not gonna throw it because he just doesn't feel it that way.

When he sees it that way, he looks really good. But I think one reason he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. Colin hasn't thrown one in a long time is if he doesn't see it, he's not gonna throw it because he just doesn't feel it that way.

Now. I don't know how Matt Hasselbeck feels.

Now. I don't know how Matt Hasselbeck feels.

I think that coaches would say, you can improve that to some degree, but you're not gonna take a guy who's not an innate anticipation thrower and make him Joe Burrow.

I think that coaches would say, you can improve that to some degree, but you're not gonna take a guy who's not an innate anticipation thrower and make him Joe Burrow.

That's not gonna happen, so you know, you sort of have to work around that.

That's not gonna happen, so you know, you sort of have to work around that.

But he's got really high level throwing traits and obviously we know he's got some movement ability.

But he's got really high level throwing traits and obviously we know he's got some movement ability.

The other thing he needs to work on is he needs to work.

The other thing he needs to work on is he needs to work.

On moving within the pocket, and that's a totally different trait than running out of the pocket, which he can be pretty good at. He's got a feel when he moves out of the pocket, pretty good spatial awareness.

On moving within the pocket, and that's a totally different trait than running out of the pocket, which he can be pretty good at. He's got a feel when he moves out of the pocket, pretty good spatial awareness.

Because the sacks have to come down. There's too many sacks. Okay.

Because the sacks have to come down. There's too many sacks. Okay.

A team that's getting red hot is the Rams. It's interesting Stafford's older and they have struggled in the first half. And I've said, I was telling a friend a couple of nights ago. I'm like, is it a Stafford's not warmed up thing? Does he need to get to the fifth inning? But they usually he's not getting sacked, they're not turning it over. Finally, now with Tyler Higbee back, everybody's ready to go on offense. But yet it's the defense with a lot of first, second, and third round draft picks, that have all hit, all hit. Yeah, so to talk about because I don't know if this defense it's really really young, but when I watch it, I mean, this week they play Arizona and both Arizona's offensive tackles are out, so it could be a feast. What do you make of the Rams defense?

A team that's getting red hot is the Rams. It's interesting Stafford's older and they have struggled in the first half. And I've said, I was telling a friend a couple of nights ago. I'm like, is it a Stafford's not warmed up thing? Does he need to get to the fifth inning? But they usually he's not getting sacked, they're not turning it over. Finally, now with Tyler Higbee back, everybody's ready to go on offense. But yet it's the defense with a lot of first, second, and third round draft picks, that have all hit, all hit. Yeah, so to talk about because I don't know if this defense it's really really young, but when I watch it, I mean, this week they play Arizona and both Arizona's offensive tackles are out, so it could be a feast. What do you make of the Rams defense?

I really like what they've done. They've won eight of their last ten.

I really like what they've done. They've won eight of their last ten.

Okay, in those last ten games, no team in the NFL has played more with six defensive backs what we call dime than the Rams. That has really been their foundation. They play a ton out of dime. They play with Jalen McCullough who's a rookie safety. They play with Kitchens, the rookie from the University of my They even play what we call big nickel with three safeties a lot. I mean, this is a safety driven defense with a front four that's young and improving. And I have to tell you when you watch Jared Verse play and we're seeing him here, his speed to power for a young player may be as good as any in the league. So this is a continually evolving defense that plays a ton of dime. That's sort of their foundation. They're getting better and better and offensively. They're really another team that's really built on the run. You and I both love Stafford, but Kyen Williams another back with over three hundred carries. That's where they start their offense with the zone run game.

Okay, in those last ten games, no team in the NFL has played more with six defensive backs what we call dime than the Rams. That has really been their foundation. They play a ton out of dime. They play with Jalen McCullough who's a rookie safety. They play with Kitchens, the rookie from the University of my They even play what we call big nickel with three safeties a lot. I mean, this is a safety driven defense with a front four that's young and improving. And I have to tell you when you watch Jared Verse play and we're seeing him here, his speed to power for a young player may be as good as any in the league. So this is a continually evolving defense that plays a ton of dime. That's sort of their foundation. They're getting better and better and offensively. They're really another team that's really built on the run. You and I both love Stafford, but Kyen Williams another back with over three hundred carries. That's where they start their offense with the zone run game.

Yeah, it's funny. We always think these McVeigh, Lafleura, Shanahan guys, offensive wizard or pass guys. They all love to run. The truth is all of them. I mean, Karen Williams, a small guy, is carrying it twenty four times a game.

Yeah, it's funny. We always think these McVeigh, Lafleura, Shanahan guys, offensive wizard or pass guys. They all love to run. The truth is all of them. I mean, Karen Williams, a small guy, is carrying it twenty four times a game.

Yeah, and you know what, motion is so critical.

Yeah, and you know what, motion is so critical.

We think of motion in the pass game as you know, you were talking about the pass game, and you're right. We think of motion being a big deal in the past game. It's really a bigger deal in the run game. You can almost go back to Joe Gibbs with the Washington Redskins and the use of motion to really mess up teams run support problems and how they handle the run. So it's motion is a critical factor in the run game.

We think of motion in the pass game as you know, you were talking about the pass game, and you're right. We think of motion being a big deal in the past game. It's really a bigger deal in the run game. You can almost go back to Joe Gibbs with the Washington Redskins and the use of motion to really mess up teams run support problems and how they handle the run. So it's motion is a critical factor in the run game.

So, Greg, I don't know if I've ever told you this before. I have something I have a belief in. Quarterback, says all pay a quarterback fifty large if he's not an if guy. But if Brock Perty's your classic IF guy, if the weather's good, it's not raining, if he gets protection, if he has an above average o' line, if he has an offensive coach, if Christian McCaffrey is healthy, it's very much a qualifying scenario if he gets that. And to me, I'm not paying guys forty to fifty million if if they're the IF quarterback. I like Purty, but when I watch the Niners, I see offensive line issues and then I see a very average player. What does the film sound pretty well?

So, Greg, I don't know if I've ever told you this before. I have something I have a belief in. Quarterback, says all pay a quarterback fifty large if he's not an if guy. But if Brock Perty's your classic IF guy, if the weather's good, it's not raining, if he gets protection, if he has an above average o' line, if he has an offensive coach, if Christian McCaffrey is healthy, it's very much a qualifying scenario if he gets that. And to me, I'm not paying guys forty to fifty million if if they're the IF quarterback. I like Purty, but when I watch the Niners, I see offensive line issues and then I see a very average player. What does the film sound pretty well?

I guess I'd almost ask you a question. How many quarterbacks are not IF guys. How many quarterbacks can be really great and carry a team without a lot of things working for them. There's probably very few collins if you really think about. Okay, so, so ninety percent of the quarterbacks in the league would be IF guys based on your definition. So you have to separate the money. You have to separate the money from the conversation, because, look, everybody knows what Brock Purty is. Brock Purdy is not a big guy. He doesn't have a great arm. So what has to happen for brock Purdy to be a really good player. He has to have a good old line, which by the way, has not been.

I guess I'd almost ask you a question. How many quarterbacks are not IF guys. How many quarterbacks can be really great and carry a team without a lot of things working for them. There's probably very few collins if you really think about. Okay, so, so ninety percent of the quarterbacks in the league would be IF guys based on your definition. So you have to separate the money. You have to separate the money from the conversation, because, look, everybody knows what Brock Purty is. Brock Purdy is not a big guy. He doesn't have a great arm. So what has to happen for brock Purdy to be a really good player. He has to have a good old line, which by the way, has not been.

Good this year. Now. The depth of the pocket, which.

Good this year. Now. The depth of the pocket, which.

Is controlled by the interior of the old line, has not been very good, so he's been squeezed a lot, and because he doesn't have a big arm, he needs space to throw the ball.

Is controlled by the interior of the old line, has not been very good, so he's been squeezed a lot, and because he doesn't have a big arm, he needs space to throw the ball.

They've almost had no run game this year.

They've almost had no run game this year.

Maybe early in the year they did when Mason was pretty good early, but they've almost had no run game and they've got no speed right now at receiver. I think Pearce All is going to be a good player, but he's a rookie who basically had no practice because of the unfortunate, tragic situation. So really this is an offense that's lacking in so many areas. But you could say that about a lot of quarterbacks. I mean, we can talk about the Mahomes, the Allens, the Burrows, the Jackson's. Maybe there's one or two more on missing, but almost all quarterbacks.

Maybe early in the year they did when Mason was pretty good early, but they've almost had no run game and they've got no speed right now at receiver. I think Pearce All is going to be a good player, but he's a rookie who basically had no practice because of the unfortunate, tragic situation. So really this is an offense that's lacking in so many areas. But you could say that about a lot of quarterbacks. I mean, we can talk about the Mahomes, the Allens, the Burrows, the Jackson's. Maybe there's one or two more on missing, but almost all quarterbacks.

In the league are if quarterbacks, it.

In the league are if quarterbacks, it.

Depends what they have around them, and right now Purdy does not have much around him, so his game is going to look like it lacks consistency at times on a week to week.

Depends what they have around them, and right now Purdy does not have much around him, so his game is going to look like it lacks consistency at times on a week to week.

Basis, you know interesting the Cowboys. Obviously Dak Prescott's the starter, but we brought stats out last week with Cooper Rush, and if you if it was a blind test, it's the same guy. Is there anything I mean, where is Cooper Rush? Clearly not Dak? And where is he very similar to Dak?

Basis, you know interesting the Cowboys. Obviously Dak Prescott's the starter, but we brought stats out last week with Cooper Rush, and if you if it was a blind test, it's the same guy. Is there anything I mean, where is Cooper Rush? Clearly not Dak? And where is he very similar to Dak?

Well?

Well?

I think their coaching staff's doing a great job because what you see a lot with them is you see a ton of different personnel packages, a ton of different formation looks, a lot of shifts in motions. They're giving a defense a lot to have to deal with. That was really evident in the game against Tampa on Sunday Night last week, where you just saw that Tampa they really struggled a bit to figure all this out. And therefore he was phenomenal against their blitz because Todd Bowles will blitz. Rush was phenomenal on third down. He was phenomenal against their pressures, and the Bucks pressured a lot. Now, he's a guy that you need to get pressure on and the pressure must be effective, which it was not by the Bucks because he tends to fall away from throws. But one thing about him, he's been very decisive. The more he plays, and I'm sure that's being drilled into him, that hey, just get rid of the football, do not hold it. They're not going to tell him this, but the bottom line is he's not good enough to sit in the pocket and drive the football, so the ball needs to come out.

I think their coaching staff's doing a great job because what you see a lot with them is you see a ton of different personnel packages, a ton of different formation looks, a lot of shifts in motions. They're giving a defense a lot to have to deal with. That was really evident in the game against Tampa on Sunday Night last week, where you just saw that Tampa they really struggled a bit to figure all this out. And therefore he was phenomenal against their blitz because Todd Bowles will blitz. Rush was phenomenal on third down. He was phenomenal against their pressures, and the Bucks pressured a lot. Now, he's a guy that you need to get pressure on and the pressure must be effective, which it was not by the Bucks because he tends to fall away from throws. But one thing about him, he's been very decisive. The more he plays, and I'm sure that's being drilled into him, that hey, just get rid of the football, do not hold it. They're not going to tell him this, but the bottom line is he's not good enough to sit in the pocket and drive the football, so the ball needs to come out.

And he's been doing well.

And he's been doing well.

And prior to last week where they didn't run well, but in the previous four weeks prior to the Bucks game, Dowdell was the second leading rusher in the league behind Saquon Barkley.

And prior to last week where they didn't run well, but in the previous four weeks prior to the Bucks game, Dowdell was the second leading rusher in the league behind Saquon Barkley.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Interesting, all right, we're gonna We're gonna end it here over the next two minutes. On Jaden Daniels, I thought it was impressive that he struggled early, was trying to give that puppy away, and then in the end he was great in the fourth quarter. And I like his ability. Andrew Luck had this an ability, a short memory. It's about the win. Don't get caught up into your emotions. You're gonna make mistakes. It's the NFL. Guys can sometimes make great plays. I love it's an Andrew Luck quality. Herbert's got this too as well. It just get the ball. That drive's done, move to the next drive. Have you noticed that.

Interesting, all right, we're gonna We're gonna end it here over the next two minutes. On Jaden Daniels, I thought it was impressive that he struggled early, was trying to give that puppy away, and then in the end he was great in the fourth quarter. And I like his ability. Andrew Luck had this an ability, a short memory. It's about the win. Don't get caught up into your emotions. You're gonna make mistakes. It's the NFL. Guys can sometimes make great plays. I love it's an Andrew Luck quality. Herbert's got this too as well. It just get the ball. That drive's done, move to the next drive. Have you noticed that.

Yeah, And I like Daniels.

Yeah, And I like Daniels.

I liked him coming out a lot because I thought he was far better in the pocket than a lot of people gave him credit for.

I liked him coming out a lot because I thought he was far better in the pocket than a lot of people gave him credit for.

And he's made some outstanding pocket throws this year.

And he's made some outstanding pocket throws this year.

I mean he made one against the Eagles and touchdown to McLaurin for thirty two yards where he had a free hitter right in his face and he threw the ball to the pylon. It was a spot throw. He threw the ball to the pylon at the edge of the end zone and McLaurin was twenty at the twenty five yard line.

I mean he made one against the Eagles and touchdown to McLaurin for thirty two yards where he had a free hitter right in his face and he threw the ball to the pylon. It was a spot throw. He threw the ball to the pylon at the edge of the end zone and McLaurin was twenty at the twenty five yard line.

It was an unbelievable throw.

It was an unbelievable throw.

But you know, obviously he led the game winning drive, and I loved the final touchdown drive to Crowder, which is our play of the week, Colin. So we can take a look at it because this is an example of great execution but also great coaching because they knew exactly what they were going to get from the Eagles on this red zone play was a and teams tend to know that in the red zone. So you're going to see that there's an empty set here. Daniels is in an empty set. There's nobody on either side of him. So that's an empty set. Now what he's looking at, and this is what they anticipated. He's looking at a two shell coverage structure. There's two safeties. But the other really important play here is going to be Zach Bourne the linebacker because very often when teams play this two shell in the red zone, they have the linebacker who kind of works the middle of the field as a middle hole player. Now, these are the three receivers here, because don't forget it's empty, that are.

But you know, obviously he led the game winning drive, and I loved the final touchdown drive to Crowder, which is our play of the week, Colin. So we can take a look at it because this is an example of great execution but also great coaching because they knew exactly what they were going to get from the Eagles on this red zone play was a and teams tend to know that in the red zone. So you're going to see that there's an empty set here. Daniels is in an empty set. There's nobody on either side of him. So that's an empty set. Now what he's looking at, and this is what they anticipated. He's looking at a two shell coverage structure. There's two safeties. But the other really important play here is going to be Zach Bourne the linebacker because very often when teams play this two shell in the red zone, they have the linebacker who kind of works the middle of the field as a middle hole player. Now, these are the three receivers here, because don't forget it's empty, that are.

Key to this whole play. Okay, so what they want to do.

Key to this whole play. Okay, so what they want to do.

We're going to see the route concept which is all designed to high low Zach Bond. That's the whole premise of this route concept. So you're going to have Crowder who runs a route behind him and Art's in front of him, and then you have Robinson. This is critical. You must control the backside safety. That's absolutely essential on this play. So Robinson the back of course it's an empty set, he's going to do that with his route. So now what you're going to get as we see this go in motion is Crowder. He's going to run the bender. As we saw, he's going to bend inside away from the playside safety and the playside safety can't chase him because at this point and he doesn't know what Ertz is going to do.

We're going to see the route concept which is all designed to high low Zach Bond. That's the whole premise of this route concept. So you're going to have Crowder who runs a route behind him and Art's in front of him, and then you have Robinson. This is critical. You must control the backside safety. That's absolutely essential on this play. So Robinson the back of course it's an empty set, he's going to do that with his route. So now what you're going to get as we see this go in motion is Crowder. He's going to run the bender. As we saw, he's going to bend inside away from the playside safety and the playside safety can't chase him because at this point and he doesn't know what Ertz is going to do.

But Ertz is going to run the bender inside.

But Ertz is going to run the bender inside.

And as I said, Bonn is the player here that they're really high lowing and you're going to see. And Daniels sees this because he knows what the concept is. You're going to see Bonn's body position. Quarterbacks are taught this look at body position. Right now, Bonn cannot flip his hips to be in position to react to the bender by Crowder.

And as I said, Bonn is the player here that they're really high lowing and you're going to see. And Daniels sees this because he knows what the concept is. You're going to see Bonn's body position. Quarterbacks are taught this look at body position. Right now, Bonn cannot flip his hips to be in position to react to the bender by Crowder.

So this is a spot throw. Daniels is going to throw this.

So this is a spot throw. Daniels is going to throw this.

To a spot now basically the end in commanders, and he's going to hit him right there. And this was just beautifully designed, beautifully executed. They knew exactly what they were going to get in the red zone. Hey, Colin, this is the stuff I love. You know that this is football, this is x's and o's, and it's execution about as beautifully as you can do it.

To a spot now basically the end in commanders, and he's going to hit him right there. And this was just beautifully designed, beautifully executed. They knew exactly what they were going to get in the red zone. Hey, Colin, this is the stuff I love. You know that this is football, this is x's and o's, and it's execution about as beautifully as you can do it.

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Absolutely, I always love that segment. I just feel like I just get just it's the meat in the sandwich on this show on Thursday. You just three really good Saturday games tonight, Seahawks and Bears. Gotta be honest, I'm on a two game Draft Kings streak. I like Seattle tonight. In that game, I think Seattle is a side.

Absolutely, I always love that segment. I just feel like I just get just it's the meat in the sandwich on this show on Thursday. You just three really good Saturday games tonight, Seahawks and Bears. Gotta be honest, I'm on a two game Draft Kings streak. I like Seattle tonight. In that game, I think Seattle is a side.

J Mac largely agree. I saw there's some Bears injuries. Looks like they're left tackles done. Yep, Seattle still technically alive.

J Mac largely agree. I saw there's some Bears injuries. Looks like they're left tackles done. Yep, Seattle still technically alive.

Absolutely vision Yeah, no so. And by the way, with the NFC North gonna get three playoff teams here, it's not a lot of not a lot of wild card positions available.

Absolutely vision Yeah, no so. And by the way, with the NFC North gonna get three playoff teams here, it's not a lot of not a lot of wild card positions available.

I just you watch the Bears the last few weeks since they canned ebraflus, and they keep falling into big holes early in games like this. This guy who took over for him as a head coach with Brown is it.

I just you watch the Bears the last few weeks since they canned ebraflus, and they keep falling into big holes early in games like this. This guy who took over for him as a head coach with Brown is it.

Yeah, but he didn't even start the years of coordinate.

Yeah, but he didn't even start the years of coordinate.

Yeah, it's full depth ear and they seem ill prepared for some of these games.

Yeah, it's full depth ear and they seem ill prepared for some of these games.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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That's Cabino and Rich all right. So the way it work when Aaron Rodgers first went to the Jets, I love this. It's my four pronged plan for the Jets. Jet fans may struggle with this, but me not Fireman Ed has the vision for the Jets going forward. So it started Woody Johnson and Aaron Rodgers a Rodger Air were best friends, flew out to his pad and Malibu. They're best friends. And then Salah gets whacked and Hackett gets demoted and they stop talking.

That's Cabino and Rich all right. So the way it work when Aaron Rodgers first went to the Jets, I love this. It's my four pronged plan for the Jets. Jet fans may struggle with this, but me not Fireman Ed has the vision for the Jets going forward. So it started Woody Johnson and Aaron Rodgers a Rodger Air were best friends, flew out to his pad and Malibu. They're best friends. And then Salah gets whacked and Hackett gets demoted and they stop talking.

Well.

Well.

Aaron Rodgers at a recent press conference, it appears to be a tad frosty between him and the impulsive Jets owner Woody Johnson.

Aaron Rodgers at a recent press conference, it appears to be a tad frosty between him and the impulsive Jets owner Woody Johnson.

Hey, what do he wants you back?

Hey, what do he wants you back?

You should ask Woody?

You should ask Woody?

Have you and Woody conversations with Aaron about the teacher?

Have you and Woody conversations with Aaron about the teacher?

No, if you do want to come back and they want you back, what would that mean to you?

No, if you do want to come back and they want you back, what would that mean to you?

Do?

Do?

I mean that they see me as an important part of helping the culture that change over whatever they do a head coach, that'd be special to you that. But if they don't again, no offense at all will be taken.

I mean that they see me as an important part of helping the culture that change over whatever they do a head coach, that'd be special to you that. But if they don't again, no offense at all will be taken.

So what I take there is. The relationship is now separate and frosty.

So what I take there is. The relationship is now separate and frosty.

All right.

All right.

First of all, Aaron's been very good in his last eight games passer rating a ninety nine, fourteen touchdowns, one pick. Can't blame him. And that coincides with Devonte Adams arriving via the Raiders. Now that's made Garrett Wilson mad. Get to that in a second. But I think early in the season, forty year old off the injury, he didn't move very well. I didn't think he had a ton of confidence in his body. Yet I think Aaron right now is playing very good football. You take these older guys, Russell Wilson, Aaron's better right now, better, Kirk Cousins, Aaron's better. You start looking at these old guys, Aaron's the best of them again. And it just took him a while to get comfortable with his body. I mean, I think that's pretty clear. He feels really good right now. He's moving better. So if I was Woody Johnson, and I don't know if he would do these, but these are the four things. First of all, as a coach, you need a proven guy in a culture center, I'd go Mike Rabel. That's the easy one. Go get Mike Rabel. Mike Vrabel's gonna build a team, defense, O line, run game around. Vrabel's the perfect coach to me here. Number two is hire an aggressive, proven general manager, Thomas Dimitroff, formerly of Atlanta, the guy that pulled off that major Julio Jones trade. I like him, He'll take big swings. I would go get Thomas Dimitrof. That's just my opinion. Number three, keep Aaron Rodgers. Listen, Aaron's not at this point mahomes Lamar Josh, maybe not Stafford. He's good. Aaron's gonna be good. He's gonna have an entire offseason to bring back this Aaron Rodgers. And if you're watching the games, he's just more comfortable moving. He's moving better. That means he's planting better. It's working. It looks good. This is a good Aaron Rodgers. Definitely a top twelve thirteen guy in the league.

First of all, Aaron's been very good in his last eight games passer rating a ninety nine, fourteen touchdowns, one pick. Can't blame him. And that coincides with Devonte Adams arriving via the Raiders. Now that's made Garrett Wilson mad. Get to that in a second. But I think early in the season, forty year old off the injury, he didn't move very well. I didn't think he had a ton of confidence in his body. Yet I think Aaron right now is playing very good football. You take these older guys, Russell Wilson, Aaron's better right now, better, Kirk Cousins, Aaron's better. You start looking at these old guys, Aaron's the best of them again. And it just took him a while to get comfortable with his body. I mean, I think that's pretty clear. He feels really good right now. He's moving better. So if I was Woody Johnson, and I don't know if he would do these, but these are the four things. First of all, as a coach, you need a proven guy in a culture center, I'd go Mike Rabel. That's the easy one. Go get Mike Rabel. Mike Vrabel's gonna build a team, defense, O line, run game around. Vrabel's the perfect coach to me here. Number two is hire an aggressive, proven general manager, Thomas Dimitroff, formerly of Atlanta, the guy that pulled off that major Julio Jones trade. I like him, He'll take big swings. I would go get Thomas Dimitrof. That's just my opinion. Number three, keep Aaron Rodgers. Listen, Aaron's not at this point mahomes Lamar Josh, maybe not Stafford. He's good. Aaron's gonna be good. He's gonna have an entire offseason to bring back this Aaron Rodgers. And if you're watching the games, he's just more comfortable moving. He's moving better. That means he's planting better. It's working. It looks good. This is a good Aaron Rodgers. Definitely a top twelve thirteen guy in the league.

Now.

Now.

And then number four is trade Garrett Wilson. Now, hold on here, now, I know what you're saying, Colin, I don't like this. First of all, what is the one position that college football furnishes the NFL with fifteen good players? A year receiver. The Jets need about two things. It's a good roster. It's not a great roster, but it's good if you could, in my opinion, there's one great tight end in the first round from Michigan. Go get him. Then you can get a receiver to replace Garrett Wilson. Second, I don't think they have a third round pick, second, fourth, fifth, you can go find receivers. Pooka naku Is in the fifth, you can do that. And demotrof is a good GM. So I think if you can get a first for Garrett Wilson, and here's why I think you can. It's a week draft. There's a lot of good rush ends, some good offensive tackles, maybe one great wide receiver. It's not a particularly strong draft. So Garrett Wilson is absolutely, without question, better than ninety five percent of the talent in this first round. He may not be Travis Hunter, he's right behind him. So in a week draft, I absolutely believe teams would go get Garrett Wilson. Still in a rookie contract, Go get Garrett Wilson. He is unhappy. How can you be unhappy? I'm looking this morning at his targets and I'm like, he's got one hundred and forty one targets. That's more than amor On Saint Brown, Devonte Adams, and Justin Jefferson. So I see light in this tunnel. Now Aaron sees light too, but the way he sees light and darkness probably different than me. But I see light in this tunnel. Get Vrabel Dimatrof, keep Aaron trade, Garrett Wilson, go get two two players in the first round. You gotta get better. You probably have to get another receiver. You got your left tackle. He's banged up now, but you got your left tackle. You got your edge rushers, you got your corners. I would go get a tight end, which I don't love first round tight ends, but you need one, and there's one great one in the first round, and then I would get a receiver. Later. You probably want to get into a pass rusher if you can, or interior aligneman. But I see light here. But when you hear Aaron and his comments on Woody Johnson, it's telling you that Kumbai yah, they're doing their own thing. Now, Aaron's like, I won't be offended. Do what you gotta do. That usually means the sides of stop communicating. Okaj Mack, you're a very negative. I would say you have turned very sour on Aaron Rodgers. But don I convince you Vrabel Dimatrov keep Aaron, get another high pick for Garrett Wilson.

And then number four is trade Garrett Wilson. Now, hold on here, now, I know what you're saying, Colin, I don't like this. First of all, what is the one position that college football furnishes the NFL with fifteen good players? A year receiver. The Jets need about two things. It's a good roster. It's not a great roster, but it's good if you could, in my opinion, there's one great tight end in the first round from Michigan. Go get him. Then you can get a receiver to replace Garrett Wilson. Second, I don't think they have a third round pick, second, fourth, fifth, you can go find receivers. Pooka naku Is in the fifth, you can do that. And demotrof is a good GM. So I think if you can get a first for Garrett Wilson, and here's why I think you can. It's a week draft. There's a lot of good rush ends, some good offensive tackles, maybe one great wide receiver. It's not a particularly strong draft. So Garrett Wilson is absolutely, without question, better than ninety five percent of the talent in this first round. He may not be Travis Hunter, he's right behind him. So in a week draft, I absolutely believe teams would go get Garrett Wilson. Still in a rookie contract, Go get Garrett Wilson. He is unhappy. How can you be unhappy? I'm looking this morning at his targets and I'm like, he's got one hundred and forty one targets. That's more than amor On Saint Brown, Devonte Adams, and Justin Jefferson. So I see light in this tunnel. Now Aaron sees light too, but the way he sees light and darkness probably different than me. But I see light in this tunnel. Get Vrabel Dimatrof, keep Aaron trade, Garrett Wilson, go get two two players in the first round. You gotta get better. You probably have to get another receiver. You got your left tackle. He's banged up now, but you got your left tackle. You got your edge rushers, you got your corners. I would go get a tight end, which I don't love first round tight ends, but you need one, and there's one great one in the first round, and then I would get a receiver. Later. You probably want to get into a pass rusher if you can, or interior aligneman. But I see light here. But when you hear Aaron and his comments on Woody Johnson, it's telling you that Kumbai yah, they're doing their own thing. Now, Aaron's like, I won't be offended. Do what you gotta do. That usually means the sides of stop communicating. Okaj Mack, you're a very negative. I would say you have turned very sour on Aaron Rodgers. But don I convince you Vrabel Dimatrov keep Aaron, get another high pick for Garrett Wilson.

It's not awful. I like the Rabel thing.

It's not awful. I like the Rabel thing.

I'm still looking at the GM A quick thing on Garrett will so I wondered, why is he so high on the target chair. I don't know if we could get that back on the screen. The targets this season, the top five guys. There's one thing in common with all those top five guys and targets, Malik Nighbors.

I'm still looking at the GM A quick thing on Garrett will so I wondered, why is he so high on the target chair. I don't know if we could get that back on the screen. The targets this season, the top five guys. There's one thing in common with all those top five guys and targets, Malik Nighbors.

Are they Are they in the playoffs?

Are they Are they in the playoffs?

Are the Cowboys?

Are the Cowboys?

Are the Bengals? Are the Raiders?

Are the Bengals? Are the Raiders?

These are all terrible teams that are chasing points late in games.

These are all terrible teams that are chasing points late in games.

And Garrett Wilson, also, by the way, had a twenty three target game against the Vikings, the one in London where they didn't have Devontae Adams.

And Garrett Wilson, also, by the way, had a twenty three target game against the Vikings, the one in London where they didn't have Devontae Adams.

So that's a little bit skewed. But I do like your idea. Let's see what Garrett Wilson fetches on the market. Because I'm looking at the draft that put out the mock draft.

So that's a little bit skewed. But I do like your idea. Let's see what Garrett Wilson fetches on the market. Because I'm looking at the draft that put out the mock draft.

You see there is one great receiver.

You see there is one great receiver.

Arizona is very good.

Arizona is very good.

His name is t Mac. I had dinner last night with one of his college teammates at Arizona. He is an unbelievable kid from a great high school program. Has delivered. So he is a top eight nine player.

His name is t Mac. I had dinner last night with one of his college teammates at Arizona. He is an unbelievable kid from a great high school program. Has delivered. So he is a top eight nine player.

I had him go to the Cowboys. McMillan.

I had him go to the Cowboys. McMillan.

He's a great no bust potential with Travis Hunter.

He's a great no bust potential with Travis Hunter.

Do you see him playing wide receiver or defensive back. He's gonna want wide receiver. That's where the big money is.

Do you see him playing wide receiver or defensive back. He's gonna want wide receiver. That's where the big money is.

I think team is better than both those guys right now, sorry, way better than both those.

I think team is better than both those guys right now, sorry, way better than both those.

Oh I get in a week draft. Garrett Wilson fetches a one. Can you get a one and one and a three? I think you can get a one and one and a four. I am going to text during the break. I think you can get like a one and a four or five. It's a again, it's a week draft. At the top, I could make an argument right now that Garrett Wilson is guaranteed to be better than every single player in this drug.

Oh I get in a week draft. Garrett Wilson fetches a one. Can you get a one and one and a three? I think you can get a one and one and a four. I am going to text during the break. I think you can get like a one and a four or five. It's a again, it's a week draft. At the top, I could make an argument right now that Garrett Wilson is guaranteed to be better than every single player in this drug.

So if you could get a one and it's a top ten pick, you already have a top ten pick. Now, the Jets are sitting pretty with two picks in the top ten.

So if you could get a one and it's a top ten pick, you already have a top ten pick. Now, the Jets are sitting pretty with two picks in the top ten.

If you move off Garrett Wilson, right, that's not bad.

If you move off Garrett Wilson, right, that's not bad.

Their need. The tight end is a need. There's one at about seventeen to twenty five.

Their need. The tight end is a need. There's one at about seventeen to twenty five.

Okay, well, Tyler Warren from Penn State, we love him.

Okay, well, Tyler Warren from Penn State, we love him.

Yeah, you're right, No, no, he as well.

Yeah, you're right, No, no, he as well.

My bad.

My bad.

There's two good tight ends first run.

There's two good tight ends first run.

The Aaron Rodgers thing comes down to this, one of your big tenants.

The Aaron Rodgers thing comes down to this, one of your big tenants.

You don't like noise in teams, wacky out of the uh off the field stuff.

You don't like noise in teams, wacky out of the uh off the field stuff.

You don't like that.

You don't like that.

Rogers gives you that crap every week with these paid TV appearances. I don't personally want that. Colin, Why are you changing courses saying you know what, it's noise, We'll take it on.

Rogers gives you that crap every week with these paid TV appearances. I don't personally want that. Colin, Why are you changing courses saying you know what, it's noise, We'll take it on.

I think I've come to terms with this is I and I've made mistakes on this. I was all in on Kyler the bottom line in this league. Start looking at your standings. Why am I able to predict seven of the eight division winners. Who's the best quarterback Aaron for one more year? I think Drake may is surging. Yeah, okay, and he's not Josh Allen. But my takeaway is Vrabel brings stability. Demotrof brings stability. Get the unhappy receiver out brings stability. You just say, Aaron, you're up front with him this. We're gonna do a two year deal, team option year two, but we're gonna surround you with good players, and we got Mike Rabel. And I don't think Aaron well. First of all, he came to New York with pressure. Then he got injured. Now there's injury pressure. This will be an in This will be a pressure free year. The pressure now was on the organizatation. So Aaron goes to New York and there's like, I gotta prove it. And then he gets hurt and he comes back and it's like, okay, prove it. You're an old guy. Off an injury. I think Aaron would go into year three no injury, playing well. At the end of the year, they have a bad season, there's no pressure on him. Nobody's going to pick him to go to the playoffs. It is a perfect and you know, listen, I watched the documentary on Aaron and it's again it's a bit self indulgent for me, a bit for me. But you know what, Aaron didn't like me, and we've had our issues. But here's the thing. If you go to the last eight games, he can still sling it. You know, you say he's expensive. I'm looking around the league. You're not that expensive. He's not bankrupting you. So my take is, if this was a strong quarterback class, I wouldn't maybe feel this way. It's dreadful. Yeah, that may not be a third.

I think I've come to terms with this is I and I've made mistakes on this. I was all in on Kyler the bottom line in this league. Start looking at your standings. Why am I able to predict seven of the eight division winners. Who's the best quarterback Aaron for one more year? I think Drake may is surging. Yeah, okay, and he's not Josh Allen. But my takeaway is Vrabel brings stability. Demotrof brings stability. Get the unhappy receiver out brings stability. You just say, Aaron, you're up front with him this. We're gonna do a two year deal, team option year two, but we're gonna surround you with good players, and we got Mike Rabel. And I don't think Aaron well. First of all, he came to New York with pressure. Then he got injured. Now there's injury pressure. This will be an in This will be a pressure free year. The pressure now was on the organizatation. So Aaron goes to New York and there's like, I gotta prove it. And then he gets hurt and he comes back and it's like, okay, prove it. You're an old guy. Off an injury. I think Aaron would go into year three no injury, playing well. At the end of the year, they have a bad season, there's no pressure on him. Nobody's going to pick him to go to the playoffs. It is a perfect and you know, listen, I watched the documentary on Aaron and it's again it's a bit self indulgent for me, a bit for me. But you know what, Aaron didn't like me, and we've had our issues. But here's the thing. If you go to the last eight games, he can still sling it. You know, you say he's expensive. I'm looking around the league. You're not that expensive. He's not bankrupting you. So my take is, if this was a strong quarterback class, I wouldn't maybe feel this way. It's dreadful. Yeah, that may not be a third.

Okay, So your guy Sean Payton when he went to Denver, do you remember one of the first things he did, Russell Wilson had like his own office. Yeah, he had all these privileges, and Sean Payton said, yeah, we're cutting that out. No. No, do you think Rabel can go to Aaron Rodgers and say, hey, man, I don't want you going on weekly.

Okay, So your guy Sean Payton when he went to Denver, do you remember one of the first things he did, Russell Wilson had like his own office. Yeah, he had all these privileges, and Sean Payton said, yeah, we're cutting that out. No. No, do you think Rabel can go to Aaron Rodgers and say, hey, man, I don't want you going on weekly.

I don't want you doing weekly now. I don't care how much you break.

I don't want you doing weekly now. I don't care how much you break.

It is non football stuff and it's taking away, it's changing the narrative away from this team.

It is non football stuff and it's taking away, it's changing the narrative away from this team.

I don't know, it's self indulgent.

I don't know, it's self indulgent.

I would like you to stop that.

I would like you to stop that.

Yeah, well I first, that hasn't happened. Second, I'm not sure what Aaron would say. Oh okay, well, Russell Wilson said, hey, coach, Yeah, I want to win. Yeah, I don't want to get into Aaron's personal side businesses. I don't know what he'd do. I don't know if Rabel would do that. Rabel is certainly strong enough to do that. But I'm just telling you is if we do this every year. Three years ago, I picked the Vikings to be the surprise team. Last year, Rams, this year Denver. And one of the things I always look at is do you check the boxes? Vrabel would check a box, left tackle, Penn State, Weapon, edge rusher, corner, they check every box every I look at traits and boxes. That's how I pick Washington to make the playoffs. Weapon, I like the coach, coordinator, quarterback. They got a pass rush, they went and got Latimore because they were weak at corner. So it's it's all boxes. Aaron maybe the weakest box at forty one, but he checks a boss. All right, Listen, I can't solve the world's problems. I'll start with the Jets. Start with it, all right, take a break back with j mac in La the Herd.

Yeah, well I first, that hasn't happened. Second, I'm not sure what Aaron would say. Oh okay, well, Russell Wilson said, hey, coach, Yeah, I want to win. Yeah, I don't want to get into Aaron's personal side businesses. I don't know what he'd do. I don't know if Rabel would do that. Rabel is certainly strong enough to do that. But I'm just telling you is if we do this every year. Three years ago, I picked the Vikings to be the surprise team. Last year, Rams, this year Denver. And one of the things I always look at is do you check the boxes? Vrabel would check a box, left tackle, Penn State, Weapon, edge rusher, corner, they check every box every I look at traits and boxes. That's how I pick Washington to make the playoffs. Weapon, I like the coach, coordinator, quarterback. They got a pass rush, they went and got Latimore because they were weak at corner. So it's it's all boxes. Aaron maybe the weakest box at forty one, but he checks a boss. All right, Listen, I can't solve the world's problems. I'll start with the Jets. Start with it, all right, take a break back with j mac in La the Herd.

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All right, Let's start with Lamar Jackson breaking Michael Vick's record for most rushing yards by a quarterback yesterday in the beatdown over the Texans. Lamar got six and ten career rushing yards, one more yard than Vic. Vic had that record for thirteen years. But the most impressive part is how quickly it took Lamar to break it. Vic one hundred and forty three games and thirteen seasons. Lamar's done one hundred and two games in only seven seasons. Cam Newton is third on the list. Russell Wilson a bit of a surprise at for Lamar the game wasn't much of a fun when yesterday Lamar had a nice touchdown run.