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We are live in Chicago. It is The Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Jmac. I think one of the things last night that was really interesting is that generally in the NBA finals or the conference finals, you don't have a bench player that takes over the arena, and TJ McConnell did last night that. I mean, he's just a spark plug. But one of the reasons I love halliburg Who so much, it's not just he's a smart player. It's not the IQ he's securing himself. It's got an incredibly high EQ. And so it's McConnell is going off is it's Halliburton's not. He's not a bothered by it. He can read the arena, he is seeing the energy, and I think this is a big part of Carlyle and Halliburton. This is why Halliburton is such a unique player. Basically, in the NBA, you got to have a bag. You know, everybody's begging on Lebron. Lebron doesn't have a bag. He's the all time leading scorer. He's got more than one bag. Halliburton is totally comfortable with other players taking over a quarter. He wants to win. I listen to Halliburton and just his thoughts on TJ McConnell taking over the game in the second quarter.

We are live in Chicago. It is The Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Jmac. I think one of the things last night that was really interesting is that generally in the NBA finals or the conference finals, you don't have a bench player that takes over the arena, and TJ McConnell did last night that. I mean, he's just a spark plug. But one of the reasons I love halliburg Who so much, it's not just he's a smart player. It's not the IQ he's securing himself. It's got an incredibly high EQ. And so it's McConnell is going off is it's Halliburton's not. He's not a bothered by it. He can read the arena, he is seeing the energy, and I think this is a big part of Carlyle and Halliburton. This is why Halliburton is such a unique player. Basically, in the NBA, you got to have a bag. You know, everybody's begging on Lebron. Lebron doesn't have a bag. He's the all time leading scorer. He's got more than one bag. Halliburton is totally comfortable with other players taking over a quarter. He wants to win. I listen to Halliburton and just his thoughts on TJ McConnell taking over the game in the second quarter.

His energy is unbelievable. You guys know, he's he's definitely a crowd favorite. I joke with him, my call him the Great White Hope. He had a couple of unbelievable steals. You know, just I think in the series like this, what's so important is the margins. You know, you gotta win in the margin.

His energy is unbelievable. You guys know, he's he's definitely a crowd favorite. I joke with him, my call him the Great White Hope. He had a couple of unbelievable steals. You know, just I think in the series like this, what's so important is the margins. You know, you gotta win in the margin.

You know, it's it's it's not necessarily.

You know, it's it's it's not necessarily.

Who can make the most shots or anything's taking care of the ball, rebounding little things like that. I thought he does a great job of just giving us energy, plays consistently and getting downhill and operating. I mean, nobody operates on the baseline like that guy. You know, so I thought you did a great job of consistently getting there and just making hustle play after hustle play.

Who can make the most shots or anything's taking care of the ball, rebounding little things like that. I thought he does a great job of just giving us energy, plays consistently and getting downhill and operating. I mean, nobody operates on the baseline like that guy. You know, so I thought you did a great job of consistently getting there and just making hustle play after hustle play.

I thought the game last night came down to blocks ched Holmgren blocks several times, Pacers had eleven blocks, steals, Pacers had double assists Pacers, And that's what he's talking about. Winning on the margins. It's not just getting yours. So so much of the NBA culture and I get it, and I kind of like it. It's like what's your bag? How are your handles? There's a certain aesthetic to the league. It's not just you know, scoring, It's like Alex English led the NBA in scoring in the eighties, Michael Jordan Alex English. But you know it was like Kiki Vanduy. You'd look up he had twenty eight points. You know they're elbow, you know, free throw line, elbow extended. SGA's got a little bit of that, like SGI flops. His game isn't Halliburton is so good in the clutch, so good in late game threes. But I think the thing that jumps out to me is his ability to let others flourish and have the self awareness to read the room, to read the building. Remember remember years ago I complained that Carmelo Anthony was was he was threatened by Jeremy Lynn for two weeks, and I'm like, dude, you got to let others flourish. Team leaders are I mean, Bradio is new, give me a run game. I don't need to throw forty eight times like Halliburton is just so okay. Other players having their moment and and boydd several guys did last night with that. Rachel Nichols is joining us live in studio, and you know, Rachel, it is. I love watching Indiana play. But you know, I think we all look at all the Celtics are coming back and Oklahoma City's future, and watch Wemby if they resign Miles Turner. They have a lot of ascending players. I think people are forgetting this team got to the Eastern Conference finals last year and was bad defensively. I mean, well, my take is, I think Indiana's talent Rachel doesn't take a back seat one through eight to anybody right now in this.

I thought the game last night came down to blocks ched Holmgren blocks several times, Pacers had eleven blocks, steals, Pacers had double assists Pacers, And that's what he's talking about. Winning on the margins. It's not just getting yours. So so much of the NBA culture and I get it, and I kind of like it. It's like what's your bag? How are your handles? There's a certain aesthetic to the league. It's not just you know, scoring, It's like Alex English led the NBA in scoring in the eighties, Michael Jordan Alex English. But you know it was like Kiki Vanduy. You'd look up he had twenty eight points. You know they're elbow, you know, free throw line, elbow extended. SGA's got a little bit of that, like SGI flops. His game isn't Halliburton is so good in the clutch, so good in late game threes. But I think the thing that jumps out to me is his ability to let others flourish and have the self awareness to read the room, to read the building. Remember remember years ago I complained that Carmelo Anthony was was he was threatened by Jeremy Lynn for two weeks, and I'm like, dude, you got to let others flourish. Team leaders are I mean, Bradio is new, give me a run game. I don't need to throw forty eight times like Halliburton is just so okay. Other players having their moment and and boydd several guys did last night with that. Rachel Nichols is joining us live in studio, and you know, Rachel, it is. I love watching Indiana play. But you know, I think we all look at all the Celtics are coming back and Oklahoma City's future, and watch Wemby if they resign Miles Turner. They have a lot of ascending players. I think people are forgetting this team got to the Eastern Conference finals last year and was bad defensively. I mean, well, my take is, I think Indiana's talent Rachel doesn't take a back seat one through eight to anybody right now in this.

League, certainly not in the Eastern Conference, right I mean, especially with Tatum ount All next year, they have to be the favorite going into next season, no matter how this finals plays out because look at what they have done to your point, and they're going to have more confidence going into next season again, even if they lose the finals, they will now have a team full of players who have been to the NBA Finals, who are hungry to get back to the NBA Finals, and who have the wherewithal to know that they can finish games even when they're behind. And that's really the strength of this Pacers team. They play for all forty eight minutes. There have been team after team after team that keeps falling into this trap. And I don't understand it, but we see teams let up on them and sometimes it's aggestion.

League, certainly not in the Eastern Conference, right I mean, especially with Tatum ount All next year, they have to be the favorite going into next season, no matter how this finals plays out because look at what they have done to your point, and they're going to have more confidence going into next season again, even if they lose the finals, they will now have a team full of players who have been to the NBA Finals, who are hungry to get back to the NBA Finals, and who have the wherewithal to know that they can finish games even when they're behind. And that's really the strength of this Pacers team. They play for all forty eight minutes. There have been team after team after team that keeps falling into this trap. And I don't understand it, but we see teams let up on them and sometimes it's aggestion.

The thunder looked tired last night, Colin.

The thunder looked tired last night, Colin.

And it's going to be interesting with only a day off between games to see how they come out on Friday.

And it's going to be interesting with only a day off between games to see how they come out on Friday.

You know, it's you know, we're going through an era. Look, I grew up in the nineteen seventies, which I reference all the time. Much of the chagrin of Jmac is that I grew up with a Walton, Jeff Peatree, Maurice Lucas Blazers, and then the downtown Freddie Brown, DJ Gus Williams Sonics, and then the Rick Berry, Clifford ray Al Adele Warriors and Doctor J and the Sixer. Everybody won one. Everybody won one, and people say what the league was? My great memories of the NBA as a kid are all from the seventies and we're going through the same thing where every year it's a different team in the NBA. And last night was a real moment for me because I looked at myself and I thought, man, is this team gonna run off multiple titles? And they do have a little bit of a kryptonite. They need the whistle and when SGA doesn't get the whistle, Rachel used saw it last night. Their shot creation the last six minutes was bad. So I feel like I feel like you can kind of look and go everybody's got like Jokic wasn't a great defender. That was their kryptonite, Like you could attack Jokich. Do you think do you think Indiana looks this morning at ok Sean thinks we found a little bit of their kryptonite, which is attack SGA. If he doesn't get the whistle, they're four and four and eight playoff games when he doesn't.

You know, it's you know, we're going through an era. Look, I grew up in the nineteen seventies, which I reference all the time. Much of the chagrin of Jmac is that I grew up with a Walton, Jeff Peatree, Maurice Lucas Blazers, and then the downtown Freddie Brown, DJ Gus Williams Sonics, and then the Rick Berry, Clifford ray Al Adele Warriors and Doctor J and the Sixer. Everybody won one. Everybody won one, and people say what the league was? My great memories of the NBA as a kid are all from the seventies and we're going through the same thing where every year it's a different team in the NBA. And last night was a real moment for me because I looked at myself and I thought, man, is this team gonna run off multiple titles? And they do have a little bit of a kryptonite. They need the whistle and when SGA doesn't get the whistle, Rachel used saw it last night. Their shot creation the last six minutes was bad. So I feel like I feel like you can kind of look and go everybody's got like Jokic wasn't a great defender. That was their kryptonite, Like you could attack Jokich. Do you think do you think Indiana looks this morning at ok Sean thinks we found a little bit of their kryptonite, which is attack SGA. If he doesn't get the whistle, they're four and four and eight playoff games when he doesn't.

Yeah, I mean, to your point, this is a nerdy stat, but sha Joss Alexander was actually the closest defender on the most amount of Indiana shots, I think twenty three shots. So that tells you that they were involving him, they were going at him, and what happened the result was that they were scoring.

Yeah, I mean, to your point, this is a nerdy stat, but sha Joss Alexander was actually the closest defender on the most amount of Indiana shots, I think twenty three shots. So that tells you that they were involving him, they were going at him, and what happened the result was that they were scoring.

So yes, I think that is a little bit of it.

So yes, I think that is a little bit of it.

The big picture, I guess my thought is that we are so quick in sports today to rush to be like they're amazing or they're trash, and in this case it was the Thunder or one of the best teams ever. The Thunder were one of the best teams this season. They're one of the best teams of the last few years. The point differential, the way they won games was historic. But this team is not the eighty six Celtics. This team is not the two thousand and one Lakers. This is not Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors in their prime. It is a team that is young, that, as you say, has some flaws here and there, and we'll still have to see with SGA. I mean, look, if he wins this finals and wins finals MVP, he will already have the accolades to get into the Hall of fame just off this one year scoring title, regular, MVP Finals, MVP if he gets it titled that.

The big picture, I guess my thought is that we are so quick in sports today to rush to be like they're amazing or they're trash, and in this case it was the Thunder or one of the best teams ever. The Thunder were one of the best teams this season. They're one of the best teams of the last few years. The point differential, the way they won games was historic. But this team is not the eighty six Celtics. This team is not the two thousand and one Lakers. This is not Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors in their prime. It is a team that is young, that, as you say, has some flaws here and there, and we'll still have to see with SGA. I mean, look, if he wins this finals and wins finals MVP, he will already have the accolades to get into the Hall of fame just off this one year scoring title, regular, MVP Finals, MVP if he gets it titled that.

Kind of thing. But he's not there yet.

Kind of thing. But he's not there yet.

They haven't won yet, so we just have to see how good this Thunder team is. And what I love is that the Pacers are showing people they are better than people thought. The gap is smaller than people thought, and they are going to test the Thunder.

They haven't won yet, so we just have to see how good this Thunder team is. And what I love is that the Pacers are showing people they are better than people thought. The gap is smaller than people thought, and they are going to test the Thunder.

Yeah, okay, let's talk Nick. Well, I'm going to leave the dance floor open here. James Dolan was gone for a couple of years, you know, creating the sphere, and they became very pragmatic and are very patient. I mean they were like not the Knicks. And this is not a shot at Dolan, but he fashions himself as an artist and a friend to artists. And all the names I see as the next coach are all star coaches like Phil Jackson as GM. I'm telling you, it feels like there's a they're kind of baling water here or do they have a plan.

Yeah, okay, let's talk Nick. Well, I'm going to leave the dance floor open here. James Dolan was gone for a couple of years, you know, creating the sphere, and they became very pragmatic and are very patient. I mean they were like not the Knicks. And this is not a shot at Dolan, but he fashions himself as an artist and a friend to artists. And all the names I see as the next coach are all star coaches like Phil Jackson as GM. I'm telling you, it feels like there's a they're kind of baling water here or do they have a plan.

Well, they clearly don't have a plan.

Well, they clearly don't have a plan.

I mean that's obvious, and you can quibble about the tip of thaugh thing. I would never have fired him after he led the Knicks to their best season in twenty five years. After all he has done in the five years he has been there has won. And by the way, I've covered TIBs on three different teams, I've known him for twenty years. I understand that the Tibbs experience wears on people. I'm not saying that he was a perfect coach for there weren't problems, but this is a results based business and he got the results. And some of the complaints I've heard coming sort of in the reporting from players has been like, oh, we didn't have enough scrimmages in the preseason.

I mean that's obvious, and you can quibble about the tip of thaugh thing. I would never have fired him after he led the Knicks to their best season in twenty five years. After all he has done in the five years he has been there has won. And by the way, I've covered TIBs on three different teams, I've known him for twenty years. I understand that the Tibbs experience wears on people. I'm not saying that he was a perfect coach for there weren't problems, but this is a results based business and he got the results. And some of the complaints I've heard coming sort of in the reporting from players has been like, oh, we didn't have enough scrimmages in the preseason.

What that's what you're talking about now?

What that's what you're talking about now?

Complaints about oh, we didn't practice end of game situations enough.

Complaints about oh, we didn't practice end of game situations enough.

I don't know. You want enough end of game.

I don't know. You want enough end of game.

Situations that you got to game six to the Eastern Conference Finals. And by the way, the longer the Pacers extend this finals, they don't have to win it.

Situations that you got to game six to the Eastern Conference Finals. And by the way, the longer the Pacers extend this finals, they don't have to win it.

The longer they extend it the more.

The longer they extend it the more.

Losing to the Pacers in six games feels like, ah, is that really a firerable offense? So I had a problem with the decision to begin with, and to do this and not know who your next coach is.

Losing to the Pacers in six games feels like, ah, is that really a firerable offense? So I had a problem with the decision to begin with, and to do this and not know who your next coach is.

It is just a little bit insane.

It is just a little bit insane.

And then to really ask around to six different teams if their coaches are available is a lot insane. And the line out of Madison Square Garden is they're just trying to assess who is and isn't available. That is not how you do this. And by the way, who thought Emi Udoka would be available? Who thought that Chris Finch, who just left led Minnesota to two back to back conference finals and has a great relationship with his star would be available. I mean, I just my third teen year old could have told you that.

And then to really ask around to six different teams if their coaches are available is a lot insane. And the line out of Madison Square Garden is they're just trying to assess who is and isn't available. That is not how you do this. And by the way, who thought Emi Udoka would be available? Who thought that Chris Finch, who just left led Minnesota to two back to back conference finals and has a great relationship with his star would be available. I mean, I just my third teen year old could have told you that.

I just it shocks me the way they're going about this. It really does.

I just it shocks me the way they're going about this. It really does.

So I want to talk about Yannis. Kd fits almost everywhere. I think San Antonio is a bit of a weird fit for him, but he fits in Houston, he fits in Miami, he fits in New York. Yannis. To get Yannis, you have to give up draft capital. And I think I've told you this, Rachel. I think that NBA draft is going to get better going forward because more players are staying in college basketball with nil and they're also stealing top European players from Spanish leagues. So college basketball that Kentuck, that Yukon team two years ago. That's like seven NBA guys. Like we're going back to a time when Ewing and Georgetown and Duke It was like those teams had NBA guys that could play. So I don't think giving up draft picks which ten years ago, I mean you were getting eighteen year olds, right, I wouldn't give up draft picks. How big do you think the y Honest market is. We know KD you don't have to give up as much. But you're changing the ECO system with the Yannis. I saw a story yesterday. No, he won't leave. This roster is not good enough to compete. I mean outside of Yannis, who on this roster could play for Indiana? So what is your gut feeling on Yiannis and Milwaukee.

So I want to talk about Yannis. Kd fits almost everywhere. I think San Antonio is a bit of a weird fit for him, but he fits in Houston, he fits in Miami, he fits in New York. Yannis. To get Yannis, you have to give up draft capital. And I think I've told you this, Rachel. I think that NBA draft is going to get better going forward because more players are staying in college basketball with nil and they're also stealing top European players from Spanish leagues. So college basketball that Kentuck, that Yukon team two years ago. That's like seven NBA guys. Like we're going back to a time when Ewing and Georgetown and Duke It was like those teams had NBA guys that could play. So I don't think giving up draft picks which ten years ago, I mean you were getting eighteen year olds, right, I wouldn't give up draft picks. How big do you think the y Honest market is. We know KD you don't have to give up as much. But you're changing the ECO system with the Yannis. I saw a story yesterday. No, he won't leave. This roster is not good enough to compete. I mean outside of Yannis, who on this roster could play for Indiana? So what is your gut feeling on Yiannis and Milwaukee.

Well, look, I.

Well, look, I.

Think there is a good chance that he stays, and I think it is about more than winning. I mean, guys who've been around the league for a long time understand that to win a title, you have to have not only the roster, not only the players, not only in the chemistry. You have to have a tremendous amount of luck. The wrong guy can't get injured at the wrong time. Jannis himself has been on the other end of that three years in a row. Now who you run up against in the bracket so changing and uprooting your whole life to be like, oh, maybe with this team I could get a title. There are players who will do that every time, and then there are players who think twice about that sort of thing. And I think that is what Yannis is doing right now. If he does decide to leave, If you know what, I need a second ring, I'm gonna chase it. I'm gonna see where I can go. If you are a team that is close. I disagree with you, Colin. I would give up the farm for Janis and to Takupo. I would give up anything that they want that would still keep me with enough of a championship corps, because the future is the future if you win a title, maybe.

Think there is a good chance that he stays, and I think it is about more than winning. I mean, guys who've been around the league for a long time understand that to win a title, you have to have not only the roster, not only the players, not only in the chemistry. You have to have a tremendous amount of luck. The wrong guy can't get injured at the wrong time. Jannis himself has been on the other end of that three years in a row. Now who you run up against in the bracket so changing and uprooting your whole life to be like, oh, maybe with this team I could get a title. There are players who will do that every time, and then there are players who think twice about that sort of thing. And I think that is what Yannis is doing right now. If he does decide to leave, If you know what, I need a second ring, I'm gonna chase it. I'm gonna see where I can go. If you are a team that is close. I disagree with you, Colin. I would give up the farm for Janis and to Takupo. I would give up anything that they want that would still keep me with enough of a championship corps, because the future is the future if you win a title, maybe.

Even two titles, because you added.

Even two titles, because you added.

Janison to Takupo to an already stacked roster. Which are the Those are the teams that are really most in the market for him, right where they really feel like they have something already and they're one Yanis away from a title. He is not only one of the best players in the league. If his numbers had been in a vacuum this year, he would have won MVP. If you get an SGA didn't exist and weren't dueling the way they were, Jannis absolutely would have won MVP. He's only thirty years old. He's still at the top of his game. He's so dominant. I would absolutely tear things up, certainly my future picks.

Janison to Takupo to an already stacked roster. Which are the Those are the teams that are really most in the market for him, right where they really feel like they have something already and they're one Yanis away from a title. He is not only one of the best players in the league. If his numbers had been in a vacuum this year, he would have won MVP. If you get an SGA didn't exist and weren't dueling the way they were, Jannis absolutely would have won MVP. He's only thirty years old. He's still at the top of his game. He's so dominant. I would absolutely tear things up, certainly my future picks.

If I could get.

If I could get.

Yanis and I was a team that was close ish to a championship, close ish, I.

Yanis and I was a team that was close ish to a championship, close ish, I.

Would I do it.

Would I do it.

By the way, before we go, Malone from Denver, I know he runs hot. I know he runs hot, but he's considered a very good scheme coach, Like he knows his stuff. Is he in the running? Like why isn't he being mentioned?

By the way, before we go, Malone from Denver, I know he runs hot. I know he runs hot, but he's considered a very good scheme coach, Like he knows his stuff. Is he in the running? Like why isn't he being mentioned?

I think just because he and Timms are so alike. And I think some of the reasons Tom did get fired from Newark is being a bit set in his ways of being a bit obstinate about things. Michael Malone is known for both of those things, you know. The latest reporting is that they are now now that they've moved on from asking other guys for their wives, basically asking other teams for their head coaches, they are now talking to Mike Brown, they're looking at Taylor Jenkins. Those names are the names I would have expected them to start.

I think just because he and Timms are so alike. And I think some of the reasons Tom did get fired from Newark is being a bit set in his ways of being a bit obstinate about things. Michael Malone is known for both of those things, you know. The latest reporting is that they are now now that they've moved on from asking other guys for their wives, basically asking other teams for their head coaches, they are now talking to Mike Brown, they're looking at Taylor Jenkins. Those names are the names I would have expected them to start.

With, and you know, they could be good fits there. We'll see.

With, and you know, they could be good fits there. We'll see.

I mean, they're both excellent coaches. But I still, you know, they've set such a bar with firing Tom after Game six the Eastern Conference Finals. Whoever comes into that job if they don't want a title. The Knicks have already told all of us that that's a failure. And that's quite a strange thing to do as a franchise.

I mean, they're both excellent coaches. But I still, you know, they've set such a bar with firing Tom after Game six the Eastern Conference Finals. Whoever comes into that job if they don't want a title. The Knicks have already told all of us that that's a failure. And that's quite a strange thing to do as a franchise.

Yeah, I whenever I hear you know that coach runs hot, Steve Kerr runs hot.

Yeah, I whenever I hear you know that coach runs hot, Steve Kerr runs hot.

Yeah, absolutely, I mean boards, yes, yeah, like these guys all run hot.

Yeah, absolutely, I mean boards, yes, yeah, like these guys all run hot.

I'm it's it's an intense league. Rate's great, senior as always, thank you, all right, Yeah, I think Malone's pretty good. I thought he got kind of a raw deal in Denver, so he wanted to play Westbrook and the GM wanted to play the draft picks. But if you watch the playoffs, Westbrook was incredibly important for Denver's energy. So Malone is like, I want to play Russell Westbrook. More well, you watched Westbrook in the playoffs. I've been a Westbrook critic. I thought he was great. I think he was unbelievable for Denver, so I side with Malone. I would hire him the hole. He runs hot. Steve Kerr is a barker like like I mean, Steve Kerr is intense. Spolstra is super intense. He and Lebron had multiple engagements that weren't pleasant. Part Riley was intense. I don't worry about that stuff.

I'm it's it's an intense league. Rate's great, senior as always, thank you, all right, Yeah, I think Malone's pretty good. I thought he got kind of a raw deal in Denver, so he wanted to play Westbrook and the GM wanted to play the draft picks. But if you watch the playoffs, Westbrook was incredibly important for Denver's energy. So Malone is like, I want to play Russell Westbrook. More well, you watched Westbrook in the playoffs. I've been a Westbrook critic. I thought he was great. I think he was unbelievable for Denver, so I side with Malone. I would hire him the hole. He runs hot. Steve Kerr is a barker like like I mean, Steve Kerr is intense. Spolstra is super intense. He and Lebron had multiple engagements that weren't pleasant. Part Riley was intense. I don't worry about that stuff.

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On Jmak, A lot of things going on. I want you to keep your eye over the next couple of weeks. J Mac on that Shador Sanders story, because you know I'm busy. I'm not sure if I can get to it. But the numbers coming out of Ohio.

On Jmak, A lot of things going on. I want you to keep your eye over the next couple of weeks. J Mac on that Shador Sanders story, because you know I'm busy. I'm not sure if I can get to it. But the numbers coming out of Ohio.

So you want me to monitor what she does against the backup, and I can't hear you.

So you want me to monitor what she does against the backup, and I can't hear you.

I can do Go ahead, Jenny.

I can do Go ahead, Jenny.

I can monitor the reps against number two's for the FedEx drivers.

I can monitor the reps against number two's for the FedEx drivers.

Sure, I can watch those numbers. Jmak with the news, No, no turn on the news.

Sure, I can watch those numbers. Jmak with the news, No, no turn on the news.

This is the Herd Line.

This is the Herd Line.

News We're gonna start here with an established quality quarterback and his name is Brock perty Uh. He has a lot of pressure on him this season. You know, you get the bag and all of a sudden you got to deliver. Bertie is now the highest paid Niner and Trent Williams is ecstatic.

News We're gonna start here with an established quality quarterback and his name is Brock perty Uh. He has a lot of pressure on him this season. You know, you get the bag and all of a sudden you got to deliver. Bertie is now the highest paid Niner and Trent Williams is ecstatic.

For his quarterback.

For his quarterback.

It's super super fulfilling just to watch a guy like Rock And I mean, you talk about a cinder of the story. I think this is the epitome of that. You know, a guy from going making you know, a few hundred thousand a year to making fifty million years. It's astronomical and it couldn't have happened to a better guy.

It's super super fulfilling just to watch a guy like Rock And I mean, you talk about a cinder of the story. I think this is the epitome of that. You know, a guy from going making you know, a few hundred thousand a year to making fifty million years. It's astronomical and it couldn't have happened to a better guy.

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He is a guy for this team. He is a guy for this franchise. He will I mean, this is just a tip of iceberg. He's going to get another contract. He's gonna win a lot of football games. He's that good of a player.

He is a guy for this team. He is a guy for this franchise. He will I mean, this is just a tip of iceberg. He's going to get another contract. He's gonna win a lot of football games. He's that good of a player.

We could talk about the American dream, Cowherd, the American sports dream is what happened to Rock Berty right last pick in the draft. Mister irrelevant literally called mister irrelevant, and the next thing you know, he's got the Niners in the a NFC title game and then the Super Bowl and he goes from making like I think it's seven hundred thousand, fifty three million dollars Like that is the America and Sports dream.

We could talk about the American dream, Cowherd, the American sports dream is what happened to Rock Berty right last pick in the draft. Mister irrelevant literally called mister irrelevant, and the next thing you know, he's got the Niners in the a NFC title game and then the Super Bowl and he goes from making like I think it's seven hundred thousand, fifty three million dollars Like that is the America and Sports dream.

Well, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, either was Romo. The key is, oh one never got to the Super Bowl. Let's but let's not pretend you can duplicate this. Sometimes stuff is lightning in a bottle or it's a one off. You're not gonna find Kurt Warner, who's a top twenty quarterback I've ever seen play like Kurt Warner was. I don't care what the numbers are. He's a great quarterback, is it. Sometimes you're not gonna find jokicch in the second round. Don't get used to that. We're never gonna find in the history of the NBA, will never have the best player taken from the second round. That will never happen again.

Well, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, either was Romo. The key is, oh one never got to the Super Bowl. Let's but let's not pretend you can duplicate this. Sometimes stuff is lightning in a bottle or it's a one off. You're not gonna find Kurt Warner, who's a top twenty quarterback I've ever seen play like Kurt Warner was. I don't care what the numbers are. He's a great quarterback, is it. Sometimes you're not gonna find jokicch in the second round. Don't get used to that. We're never gonna find in the history of the NBA, will never have the best player taken from the second round. That will never happen again.

Probably not, But you know, the jo Kich was found in like the mountains of wherever he's from. Jannis was also found in you know, b F the grease. Like you're finding these guys, you got to scale the globe. I mean NFL teams maybe they gotta look harder to find the.

Probably not, But you know, the jo Kich was found in like the mountains of wherever he's from. Jannis was also found in you know, b F the grease. Like you're finding these guys, you got to scale the globe. I mean NFL teams maybe they gotta look harder to find the.

Next Kurt Warner.

Next Kurt Warner.

I don't.

I don't.

He's out there somewhere.

He's out there somewhere.

You know that.

You know that.

Well. I think what what NFL scouts do, almost to a fault, is they fall in love with rates. So if you're not six', two if you're not too, eighteen if you don't have a big, arm you get knocked off. Boards AND i, think NOW i do think that stuff. Matters there's a. REASON i, mean people can say THE nfl doesn't know what they're doing with. Quarterbacks, yeah they. Do marino first, Round peyton first, Round manning first. DOWN i, mean just go through all these. Guys lamar first, Round allen first, Out mahomes first, round the great quarterbacks of all, time. Overwhelmingly it's just That montana And brady did not And Kurt warner was. Undrafted but there's a reason players. DROP i, Mean Jalen hurts is, great but he's still not a great pocket. Passer if you talk To greg, Sorry Greg, Cray Greg, Cosell Greg cosell wins on our. Show Greg cosell has been telling me for two years and he said it About Russell wilson at the. Time because of his, height he misses throws, too. ACKNOWLEDGES i can't see everything the big guys, can so you can win all the games you. Want but When Greg cosell says like he misses, throws so there's a there are traits THAT nfl guys look for And brock doesn't have a lot of. Them in, fact you said, yesterday, well his his brain's the. Key hard to see the, brain like like At Iowa. State you're, like, YEAH i, MEAN i, guess but is it coaching or is it SO i, MEAN i think there's a reason he. Dropped THERE'S i, mean there's a Reason Tom brady.

Well. I think what what NFL scouts do, almost to a fault, is they fall in love with rates. So if you're not six', two if you're not too, eighteen if you don't have a big, arm you get knocked off. Boards AND i, think NOW i do think that stuff. Matters there's a. REASON i, mean people can say THE nfl doesn't know what they're doing with. Quarterbacks, yeah they. Do marino first, Round peyton first, Round manning first. DOWN i, mean just go through all these. Guys lamar first, Round allen first, Out mahomes first, round the great quarterbacks of all, time. Overwhelmingly it's just That montana And brady did not And Kurt warner was. Undrafted but there's a reason players. DROP i, Mean Jalen hurts is, great but he's still not a great pocket. Passer if you talk To greg, Sorry Greg, Cray Greg, Cosell Greg cosell wins on our. Show Greg cosell has been telling me for two years and he said it About Russell wilson at the. Time because of his, height he misses throws, too. ACKNOWLEDGES i can't see everything the big guys, can so you can win all the games you. Want but When Greg cosell says like he misses, throws so there's a there are traits THAT nfl guys look for And brock doesn't have a lot of. Them in, fact you said, yesterday, well his his brain's the. Key hard to see the, brain like like At Iowa. State you're, like, YEAH i, MEAN i, guess but is it coaching or is it SO i, MEAN i think there's a reason he. Dropped THERE'S i, mean there's a Reason Tom brady.

Dropped you could say he dropped or team's whiffed on, him including The niners in the. Draft but to go, back just to be, clear the numbers FOR, Pffa Jalen hurts is one of the best pocket passes in the league seventy seven. Percent he's, Awesome BUT i know he doesn't have the. Hype so maybe that's the. Issue and there's so many first round quarterback. WHIFFS i, mean obviously there's a lot of hits in the first.

Dropped you could say he dropped or team's whiffed on, him including The niners in the. Draft but to go, back just to be, clear the numbers FOR, Pffa Jalen hurts is one of the best pocket passes in the league seventy seven. Percent he's, Awesome BUT i know he doesn't have the. Hype so maybe that's the. Issue and there's so many first round quarterback. WHIFFS i, mean obviously there's a lot of hits in the first.

But there's a lot of.

But there's a lot of.

Whiffs maybe it's because people, see oh he's six or four.

Whiffs maybe it's because people, see oh he's six or four.

With the cannon. Arm we got.

With the cannon. Arm we got.

It we, gotta we gotta.

It we, gotta we gotta.

Bring this guy. ON i, MEAN i don't have The Janis. Winston that's a massive. Whiff, well but that means you have to take a quarterback if you need. It like next Year, cleveland If Shador sanders doesn't, HIT i think he will. THERE i, mean Like tennessee this, year had to take a. Quarterback the coaching staff's going into the year two off a losing, season And Will levis.

Bring this guy. ON i, MEAN i don't have The Janis. Winston that's a massive. Whiff, well but that means you have to take a quarterback if you need. It like next Year, cleveland If Shador sanders doesn't, HIT i think he will. THERE i, mean Like tennessee this, year had to take a. Quarterback the coaching staff's going into the year two off a losing, season And Will levis.

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Answer so you do get. Trapped it's the one position THAT i think we should allow for. Overdrafting never overdraft a wide, receiver there's a million in THE. Nfl don't overdraft for interior offensive lineman or off ball, linebackers, safeties don't overdraft for that. Stuff but a great, CENTER i would get him in the first. ROUND a great tight End Rock bowers draft him in the first. Round BUT i do think quarterback is if you need it.

Answer so you do get. Trapped it's the one position THAT i think we should allow for. Overdrafting never overdraft a wide, receiver there's a million in THE. Nfl don't overdraft for interior offensive lineman or off ball, linebackers, safeties don't overdraft for that. Stuff but a great, CENTER i would get him in the first. ROUND a great tight End Rock bowers draft him in the first. Round BUT i do think quarterback is if you need it.

Drafted, okay so let's do The saints real. QUICK i know nobody cares about The. Saints we never talked about him on the. Show they drafted the Kid tyler's shock and everybody's, like.

Drafted, okay so let's do The saints real. QUICK i know nobody cares about The. Saints we never talked about him on the. Show they drafted the Kid tyler's shock and everybody's, like.

What are you?

What are you?

Doing because he looks the, part six foot, seven big.

Doing because he looks the, part six foot, seven big.

Arm, meanwhile he's like twenty, six twenty seven years. Old shador was sitting out, there he would have sold. Tickets shador would have sold tickets In New. Orleans aint nobody's shown up to See tyler's. SHOCK i don't understand that right. There, WELL i think what people say THE nfl doesn't get quarterbacks in the.

Arm, meanwhile he's like twenty, six twenty seven years. Old shador was sitting out, there he would have sold. Tickets shador would have sold tickets In New. Orleans aint nobody's shown up to See tyler's. SHOCK i don't understand that right. There, WELL i think what people say THE nfl doesn't get quarterbacks in the.

First round and. EARLY i think That Tyler schuck is kind of one of the. Examples, WELL i, think don't The saints Have Spencer? Rattler AND i THINK i think if you go back and look at both of them out of, COLLEGE i Think rattler had a higher ceiling Than. Shocked so to, ME i didn't get What New orleans is. DOING i don't Trust New orleans And Sean payton And Drew brees. LEFT i just don't like the direction of the franchise and they're. Hires But i'll push back that THE nfl doesn't know what they're. Doing i'm sure THERE'S i, mean you go look at THE nba. Draft Did Steph curry go number? One there's a lot where Did halliburton, Go, like there's a lot of dudes in THE. Nba the best defensive player of all, Time Draymond green went in the second. Round the best player in the world went in the second. ROUND i Think Tony parker went late first or second round man Ud. Genobli so it's inexact when you're drafting young. People it's just in exactly.

First round and. EARLY i think That Tyler schuck is kind of one of the. Examples, WELL i, think don't The saints Have Spencer? Rattler AND i THINK i think if you go back and look at both of them out of, COLLEGE i Think rattler had a higher ceiling Than. Shocked so to, ME i didn't get What New orleans is. DOING i don't Trust New orleans And Sean payton And Drew brees. LEFT i just don't like the direction of the franchise and they're. Hires But i'll push back that THE nfl doesn't know what they're. Doing i'm sure THERE'S i, mean you go look at THE nba. Draft Did Steph curry go number? One there's a lot where Did halliburton, Go, like there's a lot of dudes in THE. Nba the best defensive player of all, Time Draymond green went in the second. Round the best player in the world went in the second. ROUND i Think Tony parker went late first or second round man Ud. Genobli so it's inexact when you're drafting young. People it's just in exactly.

Baseball Mike, piazza wasn't he like a sixty second round pick or something? Crazy?

Baseball Mike, piazza wasn't he like a sixty second round pick or something? Crazy?

Like there's this examples of it in every.

Like there's this examples of it in every.

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Agree let's go to The New York.

Agree let's go to The New York.

Giants in their quarterback room Features Russell, Wilson Jackson, Dark Jameis, winston But colin there seemed to be some. Issues according to The New York Daily, news The giants offensive operation With Russell wilson at the helm has not been smoothed, consistently productive or. EXPLOSIVE i have been saying from the Moment Jackson dart got to the, podium he won over the. Media i'm just telling, you he looks the, part he sounds. It he's like asking guys their, name the little, things and Then Jackson, dart is there a world where he takes his job From russ like early In, SEPTEMBER i would not be Shocked.

Giants in their quarterback room Features Russell, Wilson Jackson, Dark Jameis, winston But colin there seemed to be some. Issues according to The New York Daily, news The giants offensive operation With Russell wilson at the helm has not been smoothed, consistently productive or. EXPLOSIVE i have been saying from the Moment Jackson dart got to the, podium he won over the. Media i'm just telling, you he looks the, part he sounds. It he's like asking guys their, name the little, things and Then Jackson, dart is there a world where he takes his job From russ like early In, SEPTEMBER i would not be Shocked.

Russell wilson another, guy by the, way As Brian dable will find out that doesn't oways see open receivers because of a height. ISSUE i know we love the short quarterback, thing but it does matter the average old lineman sixty six to six. Seven SO i THINK i never Saw Jackson dart as a first round. Quarterback BUT i will say, this we look At New york as a tire, fire But Brian dable as a coach is a pretty good opening coach in THE, nfl like we looked At washington as a Mass remember last year With, washington we were like new, owner NEW, gm new, coach new, coordinators but all the new guys were. GOOD i think brought you can do a lot worse Than Brian dable as your first coach in THE. Nfl so IF i think we're going to see the best Of jackson dark whether he's good, ENOUGH i don't. KNOW i thought he was more of a second third round, pick but we'll get the best of. Him AND i Think Russell, WILSON i Mean pittsburgh last, year at the last five, games he was just. Ineffective so AND i think you, Know Pete carroll moved off Him Sean payton moved off, Him Mike tomlin moved off. Him we have, it we have. It Mike tomlinoha says two is a. Trend, Well russell's on a three a three team, trend which is high profile. Coaches, Pete, peyton And tomlin have all moved OFF. Russ so that tells Me Jackson dart's gonna get.

Russell wilson another, guy by the, way As Brian dable will find out that doesn't oways see open receivers because of a height. ISSUE i know we love the short quarterback, thing but it does matter the average old lineman sixty six to six. Seven SO i THINK i never Saw Jackson dart as a first round. Quarterback BUT i will say, this we look At New york as a tire, fire But Brian dable as a coach is a pretty good opening coach in THE, nfl like we looked At washington as a Mass remember last year With, washington we were like new, owner NEW, gm new, coach new, coordinators but all the new guys were. GOOD i think brought you can do a lot worse Than Brian dable as your first coach in THE. Nfl so IF i think we're going to see the best Of jackson dark whether he's good, ENOUGH i don't. KNOW i thought he was more of a second third round, pick but we'll get the best of. Him AND i Think Russell, WILSON i Mean pittsburgh last, year at the last five, games he was just. Ineffective so AND i think you, Know Pete carroll moved off Him Sean payton moved off, Him Mike tomlin moved off. Him we have, it we have. It Mike tomlinoha says two is a. Trend, Well russell's on a three a three team, trend which is high profile. Coaches, Pete, peyton And tomlin have all moved OFF. Russ so that tells Me Jackson dart's gonna get.

Looks SO i just went to THE nfl draft combine. Measurements Jackson dart six two twenty, THREE jj mc art the six two and a half two nineteen so almost, identical hand size similar and rock perdyes six.

Looks SO i just went to THE nfl draft combine. Measurements Jackson dart six two twenty, THREE jj mc art the six two and a half two nineteen so almost, identical hand size similar and rock perdyes six.

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Twelve so all those guys are kind of in the same space size.

Twelve so all those guys are kind of in the same space size.

Wise colin.

Wise colin.

And you, know to go back To, Russell wilsons and stats on the screen, here he's not been very good in the last three. Years uh you know he's down.

And you, know to go back To, Russell wilsons and stats on the screen, here he's not been very good in the last three. Years uh you know he's down.

THERE i mean just, JUST i, mean, seriously three Straight hall Of fame level coaches have moved Off. Russell's THAT'S i, Mean pete couldn't get him out of town fast, enough And Sean payton and he just did not last we're not compatible compatible And. Tomlin according to a story last, WEEK J mack The steelers wanted to resign Justin.

THERE i mean just, JUST i, mean, seriously three Straight hall Of fame level coaches have moved Off. Russell's THAT'S i, Mean pete couldn't get him out of town fast, enough And Sean payton and he just did not last we're not compatible compatible And. Tomlin according to a story last, WEEK J mack The steelers wanted to resign Justin.

Fields they didn't want.

Fields they didn't want.

Us, yeah they Wanted. Fields SO i Mean, tomlin even though he benched him by the end of the, year wanted to work with. Him SO i think the trend Is Russell wilson will not start seventeen.

Us, yeah they Wanted. Fields SO i Mean, tomlin even though he benched him by the end of the, year wanted to work with. Him SO i think the trend Is Russell wilson will not start seventeen.

Games, yeah a great final, story Collms Bill. Belichick you, know things have died down with The Georgie Jordan hudson matter. Lately, however Yesterday belichick conducted a rare press conference and address the Issues i'm just gonna call them issues that have emerged outside of the product on the football.

Games, yeah a great final, story Collms Bill. Belichick you, know things have died down with The Georgie Jordan hudson matter. Lately, however Yesterday belichick conducted a rare press conference and address the Issues i'm just gonna call them issues that have emerged outside of the product on the football.

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Go is there noise out? There that's we've always dealt with. That, really you, know our job is to is to build a football team and for the team to you, know help build the team and also build their individual. Careers, no she doesn't have any role in THE unc football. Program but again there's, been you, know a noise out there about a lot of different. Things, again our focus, is you, know day to, day getting, better stocking good days. TOGETHER i like to.

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Be, addresses you know HOW i feel about this. Relationship some people can't spot true, love others. Can't, oh come So.

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COLIN i know YOU'RE i don't want that's probably making it a two PERSONAL i was gonna, say your daughter comes, home she's.

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LIKE i met a seventy year old.

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GUY i want to.

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Day, yeah, yeah let's see how you take that. WELD i, KNOW i, mean my daughter's way younger than that middle, school but that would be a little like where HAVE i failed as a?

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Parent like how does that? Happen? Man you know you gotta admit something's a little.

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Off twenty four or whatever and seventy a fifty year age.

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Gap, Well I'm i'm not a moralist on this. Stuff i'm not judgment you have to be a. Moralist it's just common.

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Sense what do they have in?

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Common give me one.

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Thing there they have in? Common they're both aspirational driven. People well what's wrong with?

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The five you can put five five percent of your.

The five you can put five five percent of your.

LIFE i don't have a problem with. It i'm just saying my take is just because somebody does something that makes me a little squeamish or not SOMETHING i would do that. Doesn't that Doesn't i'm not going to jump out of a plane my son.

LIFE i don't have a problem with. It i'm just saying my take is just because somebody does something that makes me a little squeamish or not SOMETHING i would do that. Doesn't that Doesn't i'm not going to jump out of a plane my son.

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I'm not doing. That BUT i had a friend who.

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Did have you talked With anne at all About belichick dating this young?

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Woman, well she doesn't like.

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INTERESTING i Found anne very sharp and, smart very wise. Individual every Time i've talked with, her.

You are to except when you Talk jalen, Hers, no she. Does she doesn't like, it and it's you, KNOW i try to avoid topics that get her riled. Up she's an artist and she's, emotional AND i don't need to rile her up so she gets she's. Unhappy let's rap it. Up we don't. Talk we don't talk about a. Policy jmack with the. News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by the. Line NIC i, Uh Eric mangini's around the. CORNER i it's interesting to me, that you know how when people were, saying you, know and this was on the liberals kept, saying follow the, science follow the. SCIENCE a lot Of democrats were preaching The republicans follow the, science follow the, science and then they didn't follow the, science right like you, know, see be careful what you. Lecture but everybody's always telling, me this is your. Opinion you have a. Bias you have an Anti Schador sanders bias if you don't think he's the best quarterback in camp For. Cleveland look at the. Numbers you're telling me to follow the data to not be. Biased the numbers dictate that Clearly shaduur is the most accurate by a long shot In cleveland. Camp i'm following your. ORDERS i have no, bias you, know IT'S i, MEAN i Criticized dion for His Super bowl proclamations that he didn't want to go to certain. Teams AND i didn't Like Draft day War room By. SHADOUR i thought it was. Cringey these. Numbers sorry for the radio, audio please numbers thirty, four forty, Four Dylan gabriel's thirty eight to Seventy Eric mangini and Now i'll talk about that.

You are to except when you Talk jalen, Hers, no she. Does she doesn't like, it and it's you, KNOW i try to avoid topics that get her riled. Up she's an artist and she's, emotional AND i don't need to rile her up so she gets she's. Unhappy let's rap it. Up we don't. Talk we don't talk about a. Policy jmack with the. News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by the. Line NIC i, Uh Eric mangini's around the. CORNER i it's interesting to me, that you know how when people were, saying you, know and this was on the liberals kept, saying follow the, science follow the. SCIENCE a lot Of democrats were preaching The republicans follow the, science follow the, science and then they didn't follow the, science right like you, know, see be careful what you. Lecture but everybody's always telling, me this is your. Opinion you have a. Bias you have an Anti Schador sanders bias if you don't think he's the best quarterback in camp For. Cleveland look at the. Numbers you're telling me to follow the data to not be. Biased the numbers dictate that Clearly shaduur is the most accurate by a long shot In cleveland. Camp i'm following your. ORDERS i have no, bias you, know IT'S i, MEAN i Criticized dion for His Super bowl proclamations that he didn't want to go to certain. Teams AND i didn't Like Draft day War room By. SHADOUR i thought it was. Cringey these. Numbers sorry for the radio, audio please numbers thirty, four forty, Four Dylan gabriel's thirty eight to Seventy Eric mangini and Now i'll talk about that.

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Podcasts Jet's Cleveland browns now he works For Fox. Sports FORMER nfl head Coach Eric mangini is joining me live and we got stuff to talk about. Here so you still have a place In. Ohio you know The, browns you know the. Personnel, Well i'm a big fan Of Kevin stefanski And Andrew. BERRY i don't always love the pulse of nature or the, ownership BUT i THINK i think they accumulated a second first round, pick so they're gonna go out for a quarterback next, year and my take IS i think they got one In Shador. Sanders so if you, KNOW i know It's OTA's AND i know it's mandatory, camp AND i can't take a ton from. It but when you look At chador's, numbers he's duplicating what he did at. College whenever a college, quarterback like When Tim tebow ran around in, college you're, like what an athlete he got to THE nfl and you're, like, yeah he's not AN nfl. Athlete same With Johnny. Manziel Jayden daniels ran in, college you watch him in THE nfl and you're, like, oh that. Translates chador's accuracy seventy four percent in, college he's now at seventy seven percent in. Camp and you could, say, well it's just. Camp well why are the other quarterbacks in fifty eight? Percent for The? Browns it means, something does it?

Podcasts Jet's Cleveland browns now he works For Fox. Sports FORMER nfl head Coach Eric mangini is joining me live and we got stuff to talk about. Here so you still have a place In. Ohio you know The, browns you know the. Personnel, Well i'm a big fan Of Kevin stefanski And Andrew. BERRY i don't always love the pulse of nature or the, ownership BUT i THINK i think they accumulated a second first round, pick so they're gonna go out for a quarterback next, year and my take IS i think they got one In Shador. Sanders so if you, KNOW i know It's OTA's AND i know it's mandatory, camp AND i can't take a ton from. It but when you look At chador's, numbers he's duplicating what he did at. College whenever a college, quarterback like When Tim tebow ran around in, college you're, like what an athlete he got to THE nfl and you're, like, yeah he's not AN nfl. Athlete same With Johnny. Manziel Jayden daniels ran in, college you watch him in THE nfl and you're, like, oh that. Translates chador's accuracy seventy four percent in, college he's now at seventy seven percent in. Camp and you could, say, well it's just. Camp well why are the other quarterbacks in fifty eight? Percent for The? Browns it means, something does it?

Not, yeah it means a little, Something BUT i WOULDN'T i wouldn't read too much into. IT i feel like like you might be A browns beat, Writer, colin because this this hype train In cleveland is so ridiculous right, now AND i get.

Not, yeah it means a little, Something BUT i WOULDN'T i wouldn't read too much into. IT i feel like like you might be A browns beat, Writer, colin because this this hype train In cleveland is so ridiculous right, now AND i get.

It there is a desperation.

It there is a desperation.

Coming off With Deshaun, watson for some quarterback to, emerge for some hope to be there for the, franchise and they Thought shudor could could potentially be a you, know a high pick form and then.

Coming off With Deshaun, watson for some quarterback to, emerge for some hope to be there for the, franchise and they Thought shudor could could potentially be a you, know a high pick form and then.

They get him in the fifth.

They get him in the fifth.

Round so it's just it exploded In cleveland the second that he got, here and What Kevin stefanski's trying to do is he's trying to tamper it. Down he's trying to push it. Down and you see all of his reps have been with the back end. Guys he hasn't gotten any reps with the. Ones to me that that's a good decision because as soon as he gets in with the, ones then the hype train's going to roll even. Further i'd say the numbers have to be taken with a gigantic grain of. Salt there's a lot of learning going on for, him and to see the numbers that's, positive but he's also working versus the back into the, roster so his numbers should be a little bit higher just based on that as. Well the other issue With shudor it's not, accuracy it's how well he can deal with.

Round so it's just it exploded In cleveland the second that he got, here and What Kevin stefanski's trying to do is he's trying to tamper it. Down he's trying to push it. Down and you see all of his reps have been with the back end. Guys he hasn't gotten any reps with the. Ones to me that that's a good decision because as soon as he gets in with the, ones then the hype train's going to roll even. Further i'd say the numbers have to be taken with a gigantic grain of. Salt there's a lot of learning going on for, him and to see the numbers that's, positive but he's also working versus the back into the, roster so his numbers should be a little bit higher just based on that as. Well the other issue With shudor it's not, accuracy it's how well he can deal with.

Pressure in the.

Pressure in the.

Pocket the constant need to extend, plays the unnecessary sacks he, took and you're looking at an offensive line and a team In cleveland had one of the worst percentages of sacks given up last season of. Anybody SO i just, say you can get, excited but don't be too.

Pocket the constant need to extend, plays the unnecessary sacks he, took and you're looking at an offensive line and a team In cleveland had one of the worst percentages of sacks given up last season of. Anybody SO i just, say you can get, excited but don't be too.

Excited all.

Excited all.

Right that's HOW i feel About pittsburgh And Aaron. Rodgers he is now a pocket. Quarterback Arthur smith can be pretty. Inflexible they lost their left, Tackle Nause, harris and their top. RECEIVER i don't have high hopes for. IT i, said eight, wins twenty three, touchdowns eleven. PICKS i think that's Being and YESTERDAY i went out AND i looked at. THIS i took the nine older quarterbacks past their win to new. Teams, Brady, manning And stafford Won Super. Bowls they all won That Super bowl with an offensive. Coach Philip, rivers by the, way With Frank reich had a terrific one year In. Indianapolis if you remember, that he was like a ninety seven passer, rating eleven. Wins went toe to toe With Josh allen In buffalo in the playoff. Game the guys that don't, work the older, quarterbacks defensive, coach defensive, culture inexperienced, coach, because in my, Takeaway eric is as a quarterback gets, older he doesn't want to get. Hit he's got to have the right left. Tackle you can't just bulldoze through problems with your athletic. Ability AND i Think aaron's at a point now you don't want to get. Hit they don't have a strong left. TACK i don't think it's going to be a dynamic year for. Him thoughts from.

Right that's HOW i feel About pittsburgh And Aaron. Rodgers he is now a pocket. Quarterback Arthur smith can be pretty. Inflexible they lost their left, Tackle Nause, harris and their top. RECEIVER i don't have high hopes for. IT i, said eight, wins twenty three, touchdowns eleven. PICKS i think that's Being and YESTERDAY i went out AND i looked at. THIS i took the nine older quarterbacks past their win to new. Teams, Brady, manning And stafford Won Super. Bowls they all won That Super bowl with an offensive. Coach Philip, rivers by the, way With Frank reich had a terrific one year In. Indianapolis if you remember, that he was like a ninety seven passer, rating eleven. Wins went toe to toe With Josh allen In buffalo in the playoff. Game the guys that don't, work the older, quarterbacks defensive, coach defensive, culture inexperienced, coach, because in my, Takeaway eric is as a quarterback gets, older he doesn't want to get. Hit he's got to have the right left. Tackle you can't just bulldoze through problems with your athletic. Ability AND i Think aaron's at a point now you don't want to get. Hit they don't have a strong left. TACK i don't think it's going to be a dynamic year for. Him thoughts from.

You, yeah it may not be a dynamic. Year but can we give The steelers?

You, yeah it may not be a dynamic. Year but can we give The steelers?

Credit they Had Justin, Field Russell, wilson and Now Aaron rodger for two years and it cost him only twenty million.

Credit they Had Justin, Field Russell, wilson and Now Aaron rodger for two years and it cost him only twenty million.

Dollars that's.

Dollars that's.

Unbelievable and when you look at what happened last season With justin And, russell they weren't, great but they were a lot better than their last. Stop they were a lot better Than justin was a lot better than when he was In, chicago And russell was a lot better than when he was In. Denver so you would think That aaron's going to come in and be better than he was In New.

Unbelievable and when you look at what happened last season With justin And, russell they weren't, great but they were a lot better than their last. Stop they were a lot better Than justin was a lot better than when he was In, chicago And russell was a lot better than when he was In. Denver so you would think That aaron's going to come in and be better than he was In New.

York and his numbers weren't. Terrible In New.

York and his numbers weren't. Terrible In New.

York would he have twenty seven time sounds and eleven? Picks the picks were a little bit, High but you've got a. Chance he gives you a, chance and that's really what this is. About there weren't great alternatives For pittsburgh in the. Draft there weren't great alternatives For pittsburgh in free. Agency so this is somewhat of a marriage of necessity and convenience that's. Inexpensive and here's What i'll say about about the offense and dealing with an older. QUARTERBACK i Had Brett favre In New, york and if you're gonna make those guys, work.

York would he have twenty seven time sounds and eleven? Picks the picks were a little bit, High but you've got a. Chance he gives you a, chance and that's really what this is. About there weren't great alternatives For pittsburgh in the. Draft there weren't great alternatives For pittsburgh in free. Agency so this is somewhat of a marriage of necessity and convenience that's. Inexpensive and here's What i'll say about about the offense and dealing with an older. QUARTERBACK i Had Brett favre In New, york and if you're gonna make those guys, work.

You better do what they do.

You better do what they do.

Well so For Arthur, smith you can be, inflexible but you're going to be inflexible to the detriment of your.

Well so For Arthur, smith you can be, inflexible but you're going to be inflexible to the detriment of your.

Offense Give aaron whatever he needs to be.

Offense Give aaron whatever he needs to be.

Successful understand you may not love, it it may not be what's your. Ideal but if you're going to bring in a forty one year old, quarterback do what he does, well and do a lot of, it and you can readjust next. Season but that gives you the best chance to make this work right.

Successful understand you may not love, it it may not be what's your. Ideal but if you're going to bring in a forty one year old, quarterback do what he does, well and do a lot of, it and you can readjust next. Season but that gives you the best chance to make this work right.

Now SO i like mystery with my true crime. SERIES i like mystery on. MOVIES i do not love mystery with. QUARTERBACKS i didn't like WHEN i didn't get footage Of Jordan love for three. Years and everybody's telling, me, oh the practices At minnesota WITH jj. McCarthy and my take, is they flirted With darnold reportedly wanted to resign. It they flirted With Daniel. Jones there's some that say they looked At Aaron. RODGERS i feel like there's a lot of as a lot of. Flirting flirting leads the trouble in all aspects of. Life what do you expect FROM jj. McCarthy i got one preseason, Game vanilla defense's backups, hurt two. Surgeries what are you?