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My opinion is Mike Rabel is one of the smartest guys in the the National Football League, and I'm counting coaches, coordinators, general managers, presidents. Mike Frabel, to me, is one of the smartest ex players that the sport has. I think Mike's wordy smart. The GM of Tennessee got thrown out of the building. Mike's gonna run the building. So Mike Frabel's smart. He had Tom Brady. He knows the value of a quarterback. Yeah, he's built one of the best defenses. He's a tough guy, really smart. Tannehill now is in year eleven. He's thirty four years old. He's now going to miss the rest of the season. Malik Willis may be good, not close to beating a Lamar Jackson, Herbert A. Mahomes and Alan Burrow. Not close, not close, totally raw like he's a year of backing up again. I'll just throw this at you. This team is running back centric. Think herschel Walker trade. They have to pay Derrick Henry a ton next year. To keep your eye in the Aaron Rodgers thing. They have three people they could move. The Titans could Taylor lew On the tackle They're gonna alm a fortune. He's now hurt a lot, but he is a left tackle. He's got value. Robert Woods a number two receiver. They could kind of release him save money. I think it's time to consider privately trading Derrick Henry. Okay, he had. He's got seventeen hundred carries in his career, one hundred and twenty five catches. Three of the last four years he's led the NFL and carries folks. First of all, run centric teams don't win Super Bowls. Ask Nick Chubb and the Browns. How many playoff wins for Zeke? How many playoff wins for the Titans? They don't win. You gotta have a guy Tannehills now in his eleventh year, he's average, slightly above average, and now he's getting hurt more often. Malique Willis isn't ready. Vrabel's one of the smartest guys in the world. Everybody freaks out, But Derrick Henry got us sell at the high point he came into the league, didn't play a ton early. Over the last four or five years, he's like a pitcher throwing three hundred innings. You got to get out of the deal before the deal gets into you, and I just look around it run centric teams, then I'll win Super Bowls. Hell, they struggle to win playoff games. Nick Chubb in Cleveland. Cleveland's got a great online, great running back, offensive coach Zeke one playoff win? Who's the other one, Christian McCaffrey. How many playoff winsy he have? I don't hate this strategy, but I got to ask, what's the next step? Because you are no longer attractive Darreon Rodgers. You don't have Derreck Henry, and you have no receivers. No, no, no, So what you do is you get draft capital for that left tackle. Derek Henry's gonna fetch something on the market. You're now gonna have some cap space because your defense is excellent. Aaron's played with a great defense. One year he won a Super Bowl, So this is a great defense. You're getting rid of a running back and a left tackle and a receiver. Okay, then you'll have money to spend on the market. You already have a you already have a young receiver. You like a lot of Arkansas. Burks is very good, very Yes, you could keep Woods if you wanted and renegotiate the deal so you'd have a solid two. You draft another receiver, you go on the market. They they've done a good job of just plugging in tight ends. Random guys you've never heard of, and they delivery. I just I think it's a little leery of dumping the left tackle Taylor of the one at an offensive line. I know he's hurt a lot. Let me counter this. Is there a strategy where the Titans say, you know what that model that the forty nine ers had, build up a formidable defense, Yeah, but plug in a quarterback who can just get it done and have a good offensive line. Yeah, but the differences. Shanahan's an offensive genius. Rabel is just a really smart dude. The second thing is they have made a San Francisco take six round running backs like Elijah Mitchell and gets the Super Bowls. I mean they vote Kyle Shanahan. I mean Christian McCaffrey is a great piece. Why because he's a receiver. Yeah, and Shanahan loves that. What do you think the market's like for Derrick Henry, a guy with a lot of miles on Oh no, no no, but he's I mean for a team that needs a running back, you'd give us a third round pick. Maybe you gotta rather have Dereck Henry than a third round pick. Well, but Derrick Henry's expensive, So if you get Derrick Henry gonna have to give up somebody else. He's not cheap running backs. He's been in this league now a lot of years and a lot of innings pitched. I mean, I mean to me, Mike Frabel's a smart guy. He's looking around at Burrow Mahomes Alan, now Trevor Lawrence in his own division. I gotta go toe to toe with eleven year Ryan Tannehill or Malik Willis out of liberty. That being said, they were the number one seed last year. They are still ahead of Jacksonville in the division this year. I mean, I think there's we could probably meet a middle ground. You know, J and C consulting to deliver something for Tennessee to get them out of it. They're not a fun watch column like, nobody wants to see that team in the playoffs. Well Frabel doesn't care about that, but he's too smart not to see the reality is now he has one of those star quarterbacks in his own division. It was one thing when they were all out of division. Now he's got a face Trevor twice a year. I'm just and by the way, here comes Bryce Young to Houston. Maybe something certain. I look very limited and green in a couple of appearances. All Right, Greg co Sells probably listening to us jabber shaking his head. Forty three years NFL films, Well, let's talk about quarterbacks in the league. So, um, here's what continues to bother me about Buffalo. I thought they were out schemed outside of center. I don't love their offensive line. They bail on the run and are continue to be ridiculously Josh Allen dependent, which, by the way, I get he's amazing on film. I thought it was one of the best losses of the year. I thought Miami had a good plan. They were physical, they ran the ball. What did the tape say about Buffalo and Miami? Well, I thought that Miami's offense played well. I thought, you know, when you run the ball effectively, there's not a lot of mystery as to why you run the ball effectively. They moved the interior tackles of the Bill's defense, which normally doesn't happen. Ed Oliver's had an outstanding year. He did not have a very good game that allowed them to work to the second level where they were able to block Mulano and Edmonds. So they ran the ball well and I thought through the ball, well, he looked like tah you know, those quick rhythm throws. Although I thought there were a couple of plays in critical situations where the Bills had a really good feel for the concepts and they took away throws. But I agree with you about Josh Allen. We've talked about this. This is not a great offensive team. They do not run the ball particularly well or often. Their old line, you're correct, is probably average at best. They've not really had a second receiver, Colin step up after Diggs, so they're kind of struggling. They So it's a very Josh Allen centric team. And I've been doing this a long time, as have you. When teams that have flaws end up getting beat in important playoff games, I'm not surprised by that because those flaws can crop up any time now. Last year Josh Allen had two amazing playoff games. Obviously they lost to the Chiefs. You almost have to have him play at that level anytime you get to the playoffs. If he's not quite at that level, you wonder if their flaws are going to just bring them down. You know, it's interesting, let's move to Kansas City. I want to talk about this. Yeah, so we kind of feel like Buffalo Kansas City, right or wrong. They were in that Allie Frasier bout last year, and I have a feeling they'll meet again. And it's really remarkable. I said this the other day, like Mahomes completed like twenty straight throws against Houston and a high school. That's absurd. I mean, from his temperament to his arm talent, to his mobility to his playmaking, He's about as good as anybody I've ever seen play this. But the offense now because Tyreek's gone, is different totally. What is the Chiefs offense? For somebody that lives and watches film, what's different about this Chief's offense? Dig deep and tell me what you see. Okay, here's the difference. It's a major difference because what they have done over the course of this season, they have evolved into being a multiple tight end offense team. They now play with two tight ends, three tight ends, as much, if not more than any team in this league. Now. They did not do that. Previously. They were much more of an eleven personnel offense with three wide receivers. They don't play like that now. They play with forty percent multiple tight ends, maybe more depending on the game. And the other player who are looking at right now who has become a really critical piece of what they do is Jerick McKinnon. Over the last month five weeks, he has really become important, particularly in the red zone. I mean last week, Colin McKinnon played sixty two percent of the snaps, Pacheco only thirty five percent. McKinnon had ten rushes, eight targets, eight receptions, so that fits because their pass game is much more condensed. Last week Mahomes was thirty six for forty one with a long completion of twenty one yards and he was efficient. So this offense has evolved in recognition of their talent. So it's a tribute to Andy Reid and the staff and to Mahomes who was an incredibly smart quarterback, very aware, a very instinctive understands. He can play any way you want him to play, anyway that's necessary. So now I want to bring up a team that may be better than both Cincinnati, and I've said this multiple times this year. As we tend to think when we think of great defense, as historically we can name like Dick Butkus or you know, Richard for the Bears. But with Cincinnati, they don't really have a star. But every time I watched them, they make changes at half and just shut teams down. They do this all the time. So, yeah, is it scheme or talent? Because I this Cincinnati defense, I don't know what the stats say, is the best second half defense I've seen in the league this year. Well it's funny you say that, because when I watched to Take this past week against Brady and the Bucks, my mind immediately went back to the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs. You probably thought the same thing. I mean, it was evident they made some adjustments at halftime. They started playing with seven dbs, they started rushing three with eight, and coverage. They had multiple pressure schemes that are route recognition. And you're right, there's not the one player you say, Wow, that team, that one guy is really dominant. They've got good players though, at all three levels of their defense. I know Hubbard's out now, and I guess they'll be out for a number of weeks, but they've got really good players at all three levels, and I think the rookie corner they play camp Taylor Britt from Nebraska. He's a really good player, and he brings an attitude, a swagger, a competitiveness to this defense. So, but you're right, Louian Ramo does not get enough credit their decoordinator because he does a really good job in game of understanding what he's seeing, what's hurting him, and then how to take it away. Before I get to Cowboys Eagles, I want to give a tip of the cap to Brian Dable, and I said, the fact that Brian Dable is getting strong consideration for Coach of the Year is an indictment of what he's working with. Because so it's easy for me to say that outside of left tackle, I don't see a lot of talent Barkley in the left tackle, You tell me, because I think I would. I think Dabele's in a short list of coach of the year. Do the Giants have much offensive talent? No, And in fact, they have to play a certain way. They don't score a lot of points. Daniel Jones this year has the fewest twenty plus yard completions in the NFL, only about twenty. Think about that, that is a very very small number. So they play close games. So when you play close games. Your defense has to be a factor. This is a very aggressive defense. It's Wink Martindale. They blitz a lot, they play a lot of man. That's the way he plays, that's what he believes in. So what they have to do, call is they've got to run the ball. And there have been games this year where they've gotten to the second half and they've had a lead and they've not been able to run the ball and then they lose. This week, they were able to run the ball. They got the ball with six minutes remaining in the fourth quarter and a five point lead, and Barkeley had three consecutive runs for forty one yards. Now, that hasn't happened very much this year. Barkley is a very up and down back. He's not really a sustainer. He's not really a grinder. He's a big playback, but he's not really a guy that gets hard yards. And this week he had some tough runs. But they need him to be that guy because they're not going to be ahead in games twenty seven ten in the fourth quarter. Yeah, as we thought, there's not much talent. All right, let's talk Eagles and Cowboys. I think Jalen Hurts has exploded as a talent. Many subscribe to the theory that it's mostly the people around him, the old lines, the d lines. So Gardner Minshew is to me has kind of a Baker Mayfield skill set. Can move a little, control a little, but there's some talent here that you could win games with him. I wouldn't build around him. Can Gardner Minshew with his talent? Is there a massive gap between him and Hurts? Or can they be effective moving the ball at all against Dallas's defense with Minshew? Well, those are two separate questions. I think that there's a pretty significant talent gap there, but they can be effective moving the ball. This is a team with arguably the best offensive line football. Yes, they've got Brown and Smith on the outside. They're going to get Goddard back this week, who's a top five tight end in this league. They've got good running backs. So what they will be missing, and it's significant, is the run game that involves Hurts. And when I say the run game that involves Hurts, I don't mean where he's running. Don't forget. He changes the way defenses have to play because of the run threat, whether he runs or not. So when he's in the gun, which he is almost all the time. Colin, you have to think zone read, you have to think quarterback power, you have to think quarterback draw, you have to be aware of all these design quarterback runs that impact how you line up and how you play. You're not gonna have to think about any of those things with Gardner Minshew. So can Gardner Minshew execute the offense in a more conventional way? Yes, I believe he can, But there is a meaningful drop off not only in talent, but in how defenses prepare and have to play. And I think that's something that should not be overlooked at all. Yeah, a little betting advice there for those of you who are having That's very interesting. I was saying this. We're in year seven with Dak. They have the second most, second most Pro Bowlers, pretty profound run game, they have a ceedee Lamb has established himself as a go to number one, and in the three losses, Dak's completed sixty percent of his throws, passer rating in the seventy and like six touchdowns five picks. I've never been in love with Dak. I like his intangibles more than his tangibles. But how is he playing football this year? I didn't think Jacksonville's loss was on him. How is he playing this year? You know, I like Dak overall. I mean I think Dak when you watch him and study just him, he knows how to play quarterback. He's a pocket quarterback. He goes through progressions, he understands the offense, he knows where to go with the football. I think this year he's had some bouts of inaccuracy where the ball placement hasn't been as precise as it needs to. You know, it's funny you mentioned Cede Lamb. I think Cede Lamb is their number one. I'm not sure Cede Lamb is one of those big time number ones the way we talk about other number ones. And I think since Gallup has come back, he's not been the same guy. They don't really have a number three. Yeah, you know, I think Schultz is a nice tight end, but not a special tight end. So I don't really think the Cowboys have a lot on the perimeter. So you know, they obviously have two good backs, although Elliott is certainly not the back he was. The tape tells you that immediately all you have to do is put the tape on he does not move like he used to. Pollard's definitely got juice. But this team, to me, is not as talented on offense. When you watch tape as I think the narrative is Colin all right, Zach Wilson and the Jets against the jag So let's talk Jets. Zach threw for over three hundred yards. Have you seen since he was benched? Did you see a little growth, lill growth? Well, maybe a little. You know, it's funny. I finished watching that tape and I said to myself, this is where I think they would have hoped he would have been last year. After four or five starts. You know, you see the snaps in which he has light athletic feed in the live, loose arm, with the easy ability to throw the football. That's evident. You know that we knew that even before he came out. You know. The problem that he has, and it's going to need to be cleaned up or it's going to be a struggle every week, is he has significant ball placement issues, even on some completions. I mean, he just does not place the ball where it needs to be. And he is consistent, consistently. Colin late on throws. He's a beat late, and he has to become quicker. Mentally, he has to become more precise. I think there's not the needed sync between his lower body and upper body when he delivers the football. So there's still a lot of work to do. That's why I said, you would have liked to have seen him be at this point last year and his year. But he's always going to make a few plays that get people excited. He doesn't make the easy plays, the routine plays. Yes, and those are the plays that have to be made. Yep. That is what we've said from day one. He misses the laps. You gotta hit the laps before you shoot to hit the lap. Yep. Ye, the great ones do Okay, Trevor Lawrence, we're going to close with this. Eventually you'll get to the big play. But you know, I loved him. I'm a little crazy over the top. I would have picked him number one years ago. He's starting to play pretty well. Greg. Yeah, you can see he's much more decisive Colin and I think now there's a good marriage brewing between the offensive scheme and Lawrence. Because Lawrence is a long body, long legged, you needed to speed him up just everything he does need. He did need it to be quicker and it is now and you know what, the ball comes out, which tells you that he's far more confident in the scheme. He knows where to go with the football. You know, don't get Doug Peterson comes from the Andy Reid school. That's how he grew up in the game as a coach, even as a player. He was in Philly as a player, and he's been in that offense for basically his whole life. So he understands that offense, and that offense is really well schemed. It defines throws for quarterbacks. We've seen that through the years and you can see Lawrence really taking to it. Now. He's not getting stuck in the pocket. So the ball comes out. And I think one of the most overlooked things about Lawrence maybe it's not overlooked, but it shows up all the time is he's a very good thrower on the run. Column that may be what the thing he does absolutely best is throw the ball on the run. And actually that's where we go, you know, with the big play this week, because he was forced to throw the ball on the run on this touchdown that we're going to show where he threw it to a Jones for a long touchdown of fifty nine yards. So this was last week against the Cowboys. This was not a designed to movement play. He moved out of the pocket in response to pressure, and obviously you see the great throw. So what this is this is this is just a play action type shot play. He's under center, and I like under center play action a lot more than I like shotgun play action. So you're going to see the play action element. And then Zay Jones down below is number one. He's the outside receiver on the trip side of the formation. And look at the corner playing soft off coverage, and normally you don't get over the top of corners who are playing soft, but this is a double move. It's basically an out and go. And you can see the corner Joseph who ended up getting benched in this game. By the way. You see that he is beat So now what we're going to do is take this back and you're going to see Lawrence because as I said, this play was not meant for him to leave the pocket, but he's going to get pressure from the outside rusher who's going to work inside against his right tackle, and he's going to force Lawrence to leave the pocket, and Lawrence does, and he's an excellent thrower on the move. I take the coaches who coached him and they say that's one of his absolute strengths is that he can make throws on the move. And I think that's an element of his game that's really important because Lawrence is a good thrower from the pocket, but he's not a special thrower. He's a good thrower. So now that he has this element to his game that really enhances it. And I think you and I would probably agree that in this league, now your quarterback is going to have to make second reaction plays where he has to move due to how to do it to pressure, and if you can't do that, it's tougher to play in the league. Good stuff, Greg co Sell, NFL Films. Thanks Greg, Thanks con the two takeaways I had in that segment. The Cowboys offensive personnel is overvalued because they play for the Dallas Cowboys. Ceedee Lamb, he says, is not a number one when you look at elite number ones. Schultz is a good tight end, but not special, not Travis Kelsey level. Obviously, Zeke doesn't have the burst. The second thing I took away as what we've been saying for years. Zach Wilson on the tape, he misses too many layoups. You gotta get seven to eight layoups completed in this league. You just have to. If you can't do the layoups, you don't have the guy back in a second Live in Los Angeles, It's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Saturday, It's a special day of football on Fox, featuring the biggest game of the year as the Eagles fight for the NFC East Crown against Dak and the Cowboys. It okays off Saturday, Christmas Eve at four eastern one Pacific on Fox and the Fox Sports App. Greg co Sell trying he's getting into the gambling space now I can sense it. Well. His whole takeaway is Jalen Hurts is way more valuable than people think, and Dallas's skilled people and offensive perimeter people just aren't that special. It's interesting because the market disagrees with that. Remember the Cowboys were one and a half point favorites when it was Hurts in he's out now and it's about six, so he's only five and a half. We know Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes was like nine points from Mahomes the best quarterback ever. Okay, Jalen Hurts and the league, Yeah, that's an award. But I mean, if Mahomes is worth ten to twelve points, he's the best quarterback ever. I think if you're worth five, you're a franchise quarterback. Remember Zach was Wilson, Mike White, there was like no different. Dak and Cooper rush at least four and a half, right five, But it looks like Jalen Hurts is worth I'm not. My thing with Hurts is their offense has made the jump to light speed this year. They are incredible. Now a lot of it is scheduled based, but they're incredible because Hurts can beat you on the right right, that's right, mits you ain't doing that right, it's gonna be a drop back passing off. Wondering if shouldn't it be a Dallas blowout. Can't run the same match up, can't run the same offense. I mean, if Hurt is the MVP. Minshew can't even run the offense Dallas at home. But if it had an offensive, Dallas is ready for How much tape is there on Minshew? They were one and a half games last year. It's so very without a j Brown Jay. That's a problem. Colin. You can go back and forth on all these games and make cases for both sides. I was going to be a lawyer back in the day. I don't know if you knew that, and like so, I'm good at making cases for both sides. But the problem is you gotta, you know, pooper, get off the pot as they say, Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's a stayaway game right now, Dallas. In terms of betting, it's a stayaway game. I already took the six, so I'm pot committee. Unfortunately, J back with the news. No, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. We have a benching in the NFL. The Colts officially benched Matt Ryan for the second time, the second time this season. I feel kind of bad from that, right, Come on, the GM did not want Carson Wentz to be Jettison. He didn't remember. This was the owner that wanted to get rid of twenty seven touchdown seven pick, very mobile Wentz. Now, we were all over this when they benched, when the owner said, let's turn to the sam Ellinger, who, by the way, has not stiffed the field. Is this Jeff Saturday going Nick Foles? Or is this I think Erse runs the franchise? Now er Ersee got rid of Wentz made no sense. Wentz had twenty seven t D seven picks. The ersee got rid of Frank Reich and his play caller made no sense. Frank Ryce is gonna get a job, getting a job somewhere next year, one of the better ones. So I mean they are this is an organization now run by the owner. Good luck. Nick Foles is gonna be the starter. I was reading up on this during the commercial break, always looking for an edge. If you know, Nick Foles was with the practice team for most of the season, not even like the backup throwing two guys during the practice week. This is this is kind of a dramatic change. Chargers Monday Night Football? Is that a watch? Is that a must watch for you? Is this back to the slope? Chargers are always a must watch because of Herbert. Because of Herbert. Here you have a man crush on him. Next up, Baker Mayfield has only with the Rams for a couple of weeks, a boy he's enjoying his time. He spent with Sean mcveay ahead of Sunday's match up with the Broncos. Baker spoke about what he has noticed about the teaching style of his new head coach, just how detailed he is. I mean talking about, you know, even when a play looks good in practice, somehow fine tuning it afterwards to the you know the what if look, what if we get this certain look? How do we want to teach the guy? Um? I mean it's it's pretty special to watch how detailed he is, um and just getting to know him, and you know how he wants to put guys in good positions, you know, not to ask anybody to do something they're not capable of, and just making sure he's he's putting guys in a great spot. That's an interesting hat from Baker. I'm looking at it there, I'm like, what is that? Does he have his own logo now? Baker Mayfield? Well, because he didn't look like his initials. He's very much into that. Yeah, he's pretty entrepreneurial. I thought maybe it was the Yellowstone. Are you watching that show? By the way, I've watched every year of Yellowstone. Yeah, it's great. It's been really good. I like it. I thought that was a Yellowstone hat. But no. Anyway, Baker Mayfield is still playing quarterback now to a great story, Colin. This is just breaking here in the last hour. According to NBA insider Chris Haynes, rival execs believe Tray Young could be the next player on a rookie max extension to request a trade if the situation does not improve with the Atlanta Hawks. I love this team this year common they felt the sixteen and sixteen. Last night they lost at the Buzzer to the Chicago Bulls, which is embarrassing. They are ninth Atlanta is in the East. Not expect when you added to Joan to Murray in the offseason. He's a nice player. They have a great backcourt, the good pieces, but the coach and Trey Young are butting heads. Young is currently in the first year of his extension that goes through twenty six twenty seven. I'll just tell you this right now, you already got a team. I don't want him to leave, but he already had one coach pretty much run out in Atlanta, like you're running again, Trey. This is troubling. Where you know, the Knicks have their guards now playing well. So the Knicks are playing well, they have their guards. Who needs a shoot first point guard kind of Clippers, get Trey Young, give them Paul George, maybe Reggie Jackson, a Terrence Man. They can retool. Paul George, by the way, both ends still a top fifteen player in the league. Absolutely regular season Paul George, well whatever, that's whatever. Playoff is a thing. He cannot deliver the postseason anymore. How about this, Clippers go out because you can't depend on Kauai and Paul hasn't been great in the playoffs. Trey Young is a big city fun star. To get Trey Young, given Paul George, like a Reggie Jackson the draft pick, that's a win. Now, Well, I haven't not running through the trade machine. I mean, at some point, whether it's Paul George's inefficiency in the playoffs or Kawhi Leonards, inavailability Los Angeles is built for Trey that's a great point. Yeah, he is a time looking fun cocky. I mean, marry cocky. I would Tray Young to the Clippers and Paul George's till Elite give him Reggie Jackson can score. Maybe, I mean, Terrence Man, look over your roster, what matches up? That's interesting. I like it, Dan, I wish I had a better one. The only one I could think of is what team would be looking to unload a point guard and bring in another good point guard? And if I'm the Nets, can I unload Kyrie Irving and get Trey Young? Would never make that trade. If I was Atlanta, I don't want Kyrie Irving. I would not either. But he got ten more years a dropping. Yeah. And I know all these people are like, oh, he's just Steph Curry light, he's not good. Let me remind everybody he went to an Eastern Conference finals, something Joel Embiad has never done in his He's also Trey Young is um like Steph Curry as a showman. Yeah, and I remember I've taken the ballots. That's something I would do, like. I love it. I'm a big Tray Young fan. I know he doesn't play lick at defense college. It's like either's Kyri Red Mostly your great guards aren't great defenders. Marten didn't play it for eight years because don just playing d yet or no, no, no, But you do like Trey Young like you would want to add him? Yes, I you know. Listen, people say it's got some attitude. Guess what, you know what? You know what you he needs a strong coach, you know who you don't screw around with Tyler. Tyler didn't take any of that. He's confrontational. Point I was. I was off on Tyler. I thought he was overrated. He's done a good job. I know a couple of guys on the Clippers staff. Tyler confrontational. He's the opposite of Mike D'Antoni. He'll get right in your kitchen, tylu Trey um Kawhi Leonard. That make I like that a lot. Are we gonna charge the Clippers a fee for that one? You just giving out our consulting firm? Yeah, I don't know. I think it's terrible. I mean it's interesting, and that's what the NBA is now. People are going to spend the next few weeks. Remember it was Karl Anthony Towns for a minute. Are we gonna trade him? Where's he going? 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Part of the fun of this job as predictions and trying to see around corners, and a lot of times you'll get labeled. Oh that's a hot take. So I had said before this season, I think this is Belichick's last year in New England. Is that. I think Robert Kraft is going to sit down with him and say, Bob, we both own homes in Jupiter, Florida. We'll still golf together. I'll write you a big check. But it's time. You're in your seventies, it's time. That was viewed by some as crazy, a hot take, but Andy Reid was fired, Okay, so everybody has, you know, like pat Riley used to say, you got about ten years and then you know, it's white noise, your voice just people are just tired of it. And so it's interesting Robert Kraft owns the Patriots. If you've read many of the great books Jeff benedict Ian O'Connor, great writer, Seth Wickersham. I've read every single Patriot book, all of them. There have obviously been some Craft family leaks and then not always been complimentary of Belichick, who is to dismiss the media and not talk to them. And so Greg Rosenthal is another member of the Boston media. He had tweets this week saying how does he read all the Patriots coaching staff buzz the Crafts want to send a message to Bill through the media. I've now counted five reporters alluding the craft asking Belichick what changes he'll make, meaning basically, the Crafts are sending messages to Bill through the media. It's not the first time the Crafts have sent messages to Bill through the media. So I think Bill's rigid. It's hard to take power from him at this point. I think he's tone deaf on offense. And I've said this, Bobby Knight would not embrace the one and done Shashevsky did. Calipari did, and they won titles. Bobby fought it career over Mark Zuckerberg metaverse. You can be brilliant and tone deaf. Nobody wants to stay on online all day and pretend they're in a playtown. Nobody with a social life. So the NFL's obviously pivoted very very quickly to offense. And the other thing is, I think you could masquerade some of this if you were in the NFC, But I think the offensive coaching and the quarterback play in the AFC is so substantial now it's and a lot of these great quarterbacks have great offensive coaches. Burrows got an offensive coach from Sean McVay, Mahomes, has Andy Reid, Trevor Lawrence now has a guy that beat an outdueled Belichick in a Super Bowl, Doug Peterson, the only coach in the AFC. Two of them have great quarterbacks. Chargers and Bills both have defensive coaches, and Buffalo's O line and run game is a weakness and the on line and the offense despite Herbert's a weakness with the Chargers often, So what happens if a Sean Payton took the job with Herbert? Now it's read in Mahomes, Zach Taylor, and Burrow Hardball Lamar despite their lack of weapons, is already pretty dynamic right in most years. So I think what's happening is the AFC. You're getting these young coaches and these superstar quarterbacks, and in comparison, in the AFC, New England just looks like a baby gun offense. It's embarrassing. They can't throw the ball down the field. I think you could get away with it more. I mean, Brady right now is having a bad year, but in that horrible NFC division, he'll probably win the division. You can't hide in the AFC. If you're toned off to offense, you're exposed every weekend end of the season, Patriots missed the playoffs. Scrafts sit down, Bill, you gotta work on this, Bill says, bleep you out of here. I don't need you guys. You guys, I know football. You guys don't know anything. Does Belichick retire or does he go to another job the same way Tom Brady? He went to Tampa to win a Super Bowl. I don't think Brady wants to end his career. I think, like some struggles, I think Belichick largely considers retirement interesting. I just looked it up. He's seventy years old. Nick Saban coaching into his seventies. Yeah, no, I think I think he because I think Peyton. Here's what's interesting to show you how much we all know awards are overrated. Like people win awards in every industry, they're not really the funniest is the sports media, the other awards whatever. So let's talk right now. If Belichick was on the market and Peyton was, you'd hire Peyton in a second because he's an offensive coach. I mean, if I own the Chargers and Staley didn't get to the playoffs, and I have Belichick, who's rigid and a defensive coach or Peyton. It's not even close. I'd hire Sean Payton, who younger. Sean Payton had a great relationship with a Benson family and Mickey Loomis, he's his best friend. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked, honestly if Sean Payton three years was back coaching the Saints like his best friends, the GM he loves. I'm just guessing and I have no insight. But the point being is Peyton works with people. He's come to Fox, he gets along with everybody. Everybody loves Sean gets along with everybody. He's hanging out in Manhattan, be to the restaurants, the restaurant on everybody knows Sean Payton, Everybody loves Sean Payton. So if you're giving me Sean or Belichick rigid defense, my way awful with media, wants control over personnel. No thank you, no thank you, no thank you to Bill Belichick. I'm just telling you with Justin Herbert, No, I'm watching the Mac Jones thing. It's embarrassing. Mac Jones is not this bad. So I'm just Ben Volland, who covers the Patriots, was on our show yesterday talking about New England and a potential coaching change. There is no way that anyone here in New England is accepting of Matt Patricia as the offensive coordinator. There are there's a ground swell, I think still a minority, but I think people are ready to slowly starting to move on from Bill Belichick that if this is what it's going to be, it's time to start over. And then this loss against the Raiders, obviously the final play just one of the dumbest plays you'll ever seen in football. But the whole loss was dysfunctional. They couldn't score a touchdown on the goal line, They're burning two time outs down there. Mac Jones is once again, you know, yelling at his teammates and brushing off his coaches, and it's just a mess right now. They also had an issue on a punt block. You know, it's one of those things where Belichick years and years ago, I always watched for this with people like CEOs, what got you there? And what are you now? So Belichick for years, no days off, Belichick for years all about winning. And then urban Meyer about four years ago said that Belichick had told him that at this age, I only want to coach and work with people I like, that's not the Patriot way. The Patriot way was whatever it takes to win. That means you bring in Randy Moss, who could be difficult. That means you bring in Aaron Hernandez was difficult out of college. You bring in egos. Remember the Patriot way, whatever it takes to win, that's not what they are. Now we've got kids on his staff, We've got guys who have failed massively. But he likes Joe Judge, he likes Matt Patricia. Those aren't the best guys on the market. It's who he wants to coach with. He's changed Belichick the net Worth goal and he's a legend. But everything with Bill early was all about winning. It's not. And Bill verbalized it to urban Meyer, It's not all about winning. It's about who Bill wants to work with. Now, it's not the way it works. Andy Reid drafts guys and acquires guys and coaches guys that probably drive him crazy. That's how you win. Can I float a team to you? All right? So they're really good this year. Let's say they lose in the first round and Mike McCarthy Jerry says, I've had enough, and Bill Belichick is on the Martin no Way the Selling Point Bill, Noah, you win a super Bow. We haven't been to a zuper Bown forever. Can you get us back there? Belichick's tight with Jimmy Johnson. He's heard all the stories. No Way, no Way, Hour three fun Though the Herd one more Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like

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My opinion is Mike Rabel is one of the smartest guys in the the National Football League, and I'm counting coaches, coordinators, general managers, presidents. Mike Frabel, to me, is one of the smartest ex players that the sport has. I think Mike's wordy smart. The GM of Tennessee got thrown out of the building. Mike's gonna run the building. So Mike Frabel's smart. He had Tom Brady. He knows the value of a quarterback. Yeah, he's built one of the best defenses. He's a tough guy, really smart. Tannehill now is in year eleven. He's thirty four years old. He's now going to miss the rest of the season. Malik Willis may be good, not close to beating a Lamar Jackson, Herbert A. Mahomes and Alan Burrow. Not close, not close, totally raw like he's a year of backing up again. I'll just throw this at you. This team is running back centric. Think herschel Walker trade. They have to pay Derrick Henry a ton next year. To keep your eye in the Aaron Rodgers thing. They have three people they could move. The Titans could Taylor lew On the tackle They're gonna alm a fortune. He's now hurt a lot, but he is a left tackle. He's got value. Robert Woods a number two receiver. They could kind of release him save money. I think it's time to consider privately trading Derrick Henry. Okay, he had. He's got seventeen hundred carries in his career, one hundred and twenty five catches. Three of the last four years he's led the NFL and carries folks. First of all, run centric teams don't win Super Bowls. Ask Nick Chubb and the Browns. How many playoff wins for Zeke? How many playoff wins for the Titans? They don't win. You gotta have a guy Tannehills now in his eleventh year, he's average, slightly above average, and now he's getting hurt more often. Malique Willis isn't ready. Vrabel's one of the smartest guys in the world. Everybody freaks out, But Derrick Henry got us sell at the high point he came into the league, didn't play a ton early. Over the last four or five years, he's like a pitcher throwing three hundred innings. You got to get out of the deal before the deal gets into you, and I just look around it run centric teams, then I'll win Super Bowls. Hell, they struggle to win playoff games. Nick Chubb in Cleveland. Cleveland's got a great online, great running back, offensive coach Zeke one playoff win? Who's the other one, Christian McCaffrey. How many playoff winsy he have? I don't hate this strategy, but I got to ask, what's the next step? Because you are no longer attractive Darreon Rodgers. You don't have Derreck Henry, and you have no receivers. No, no, no, So what you do is you get draft capital for that left tackle. Derek Henry's gonna fetch something on the market. You're now gonna have some cap space because your defense is excellent. Aaron's played with a great defense. One year he won a Super Bowl, So this is a great defense. You're getting rid of a running back and a left tackle and a receiver. Okay, then you'll have money to spend on the market. You already have a you already have a young receiver. You like a lot of Arkansas. Burks is very good, very Yes, you could keep Woods if you wanted and renegotiate the deal so you'd have a solid two. You draft another receiver, you go on the market. They they've done a good job of just plugging in tight ends. Random guys you've never heard of, and they delivery. I just I think it's a little leery of dumping the left tackle Taylor of the one at an offensive line. I know he's hurt a lot. Let me counter this. Is there a strategy where the Titans say, you know what that model that the forty nine ers had, build up a formidable defense, Yeah, but plug in a quarterback who can just get it done and have a good offensive line. Yeah, but the differences. Shanahan's an offensive genius. Rabel is just a really smart dude. The second thing is they have made a San Francisco take six round running backs like Elijah Mitchell and gets the Super Bowls. I mean they vote Kyle Shanahan. I mean Christian McCaffrey is a great piece. Why because he's a receiver. Yeah, and Shanahan loves that. What do you think the market's like for Derrick Henry, a guy with a lot of miles on Oh no, no no, but he's I mean for a team that needs a running back, you'd give us a third round pick. Maybe you gotta rather have Dereck Henry than a third round pick. Well, but Derrick Henry's expensive, So if you get Derrick Henry gonna have to give up somebody else. He's not cheap running backs. He's been in this league now a lot of years and a lot of innings pitched. I mean, I mean to me, Mike Frabel's a smart guy. He's looking around at Burrow Mahomes Alan, now Trevor Lawrence in his own division. I gotta go toe to toe with eleven year Ryan Tannehill or Malik Willis out of liberty. That being said, they were the number one seed last year. They are still ahead of Jacksonville in the division this year. I mean, I think there's we could probably meet a middle ground. You know, J and C consulting to deliver something for Tennessee to get them out of it. They're not a fun watch column like, nobody wants to see that team in the playoffs. Well Frabel doesn't care about that, but he's too smart not to see the reality is now he has one of those star quarterbacks in his own division. It was one thing when they were all out of division. Now he's got a face Trevor twice a year. I'm just and by the way, here comes Bryce Young to Houston. Maybe something certain. I look very limited and green in a couple of appearances. All Right, Greg co Sells probably listening to us jabber shaking his head. Forty three years NFL films, Well, let's talk about quarterbacks in the league. So, um, here's what continues to bother me about Buffalo. I thought they were out schemed outside of center. I don't love their offensive line. They bail on the run and are continue to be ridiculously Josh Allen dependent, which, by the way, I get he's amazing on film. I thought it was one of the best losses of the year. I thought Miami had a good plan. They were physical, they ran the ball. What did the tape say about Buffalo and Miami? Well, I thought that Miami's offense played well. I thought, you know, when you run the ball effectively, there's not a lot of mystery as to why you run the ball effectively. They moved the interior tackles of the Bill's defense, which normally doesn't happen. Ed Oliver's had an outstanding year. He did not have a very good game that allowed them to work to the second level where they were able to block Mulano and Edmonds. So they ran the ball well and I thought through the ball, well, he looked like tah you know, those quick rhythm throws. Although I thought there were a couple of plays in critical situations where the Bills had a really good feel for the concepts and they took away throws. But I agree with you about Josh Allen. We've talked about this. This is not a great offensive team. They do not run the ball particularly well or often. Their old line, you're correct, is probably average at best. They've not really had a second receiver, Colin step up after Diggs, so they're kind of struggling. They So it's a very Josh Allen centric team. And I've been doing this a long time, as have you. When teams that have flaws end up getting beat in important playoff games, I'm not surprised by that because those flaws can crop up any time now. Last year Josh Allen had two amazing playoff games. Obviously they lost to the Chiefs. You almost have to have him play at that level anytime you get to the playoffs. If he's not quite at that level, you wonder if their flaws are going to just bring them down. You know, it's interesting, let's move to Kansas City. I want to talk about this. Yeah, so we kind of feel like Buffalo Kansas City, right or wrong. They were in that Allie Frasier bout last year, and I have a feeling they'll meet again. And it's really remarkable. I said this the other day, like Mahomes completed like twenty straight throws against Houston and a high school. That's absurd. I mean, from his temperament to his arm talent, to his mobility to his playmaking, He's about as good as anybody I've ever seen play this. But the offense now because Tyreek's gone, is different totally. What is the Chiefs offense? For somebody that lives and watches film, what's different about this Chief's offense? Dig deep and tell me what you see. Okay, here's the difference. It's a major difference because what they have done over the course of this season, they have evolved into being a multiple tight end offense team. They now play with two tight ends, three tight ends, as much, if not more than any team in this league. Now. They did not do that. Previously. They were much more of an eleven personnel offense with three wide receivers. They don't play like that now. They play with forty percent multiple tight ends, maybe more depending on the game. And the other player who are looking at right now who has become a really critical piece of what they do is Jerick McKinnon. Over the last month five weeks, he has really become important, particularly in the red zone. I mean last week, Colin McKinnon played sixty two percent of the snaps, Pacheco only thirty five percent. McKinnon had ten rushes, eight targets, eight receptions, so that fits because their pass game is much more condensed. Last week Mahomes was thirty six for forty one with a long completion of twenty one yards and he was efficient. So this offense has evolved in recognition of their talent. So it's a tribute to Andy Reid and the staff and to Mahomes who was an incredibly smart quarterback, very aware, a very instinctive understands. He can play any way you want him to play, anyway that's necessary. So now I want to bring up a team that may be better than both Cincinnati, and I've said this multiple times this year. As we tend to think when we think of great defense, as historically we can name like Dick Butkus or you know, Richard for the Bears. But with Cincinnati, they don't really have a star. But every time I watched them, they make changes at half and just shut teams down. They do this all the time. So, yeah, is it scheme or talent? Because I this Cincinnati defense, I don't know what the stats say, is the best second half defense I've seen in the league this year. Well it's funny you say that, because when I watched to Take this past week against Brady and the Bucks, my mind immediately went back to the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs. You probably thought the same thing. I mean, it was evident they made some adjustments at halftime. They started playing with seven dbs, they started rushing three with eight, and coverage. They had multiple pressure schemes that are route recognition. And you're right, there's not the one player you say, Wow, that team, that one guy is really dominant. They've got good players though, at all three levels of their defense. I know Hubbard's out now, and I guess they'll be out for a number of weeks, but they've got really good players at all three levels, and I think the rookie corner they play camp Taylor Britt from Nebraska. He's a really good player, and he brings an attitude, a swagger, a competitiveness to this defense. So, but you're right, Louian Ramo does not get enough credit their decoordinator because he does a really good job in game of understanding what he's seeing, what's hurting him, and then how to take it away. Before I get to Cowboys Eagles, I want to give a tip of the cap to Brian Dable, and I said, the fact that Brian Dable is getting strong consideration for Coach of the Year is an indictment of what he's working with. Because so it's easy for me to say that outside of left tackle, I don't see a lot of talent Barkley in the left tackle, You tell me, because I think I would. I think Dabele's in a short list of coach of the year. Do the Giants have much offensive talent? No, And in fact, they have to play a certain way. They don't score a lot of points. Daniel Jones this year has the fewest twenty plus yard completions in the NFL, only about twenty. Think about that, that is a very very small number. So they play close games. So when you play close games. Your defense has to be a factor. This is a very aggressive defense. It's Wink Martindale. They blitz a lot, they play a lot of man. That's the way he plays, that's what he believes in. So what they have to do, call is they've got to run the ball. And there have been games this year where they've gotten to the second half and they've had a lead and they've not been able to run the ball and then they lose. This week, they were able to run the ball. They got the ball with six minutes remaining in the fourth quarter and a five point lead, and Barkeley had three consecutive runs for forty one yards. Now, that hasn't happened very much this year. Barkley is a very up and down back. He's not really a sustainer. He's not really a grinder. He's a big playback, but he's not really a guy that gets hard yards. And this week he had some tough runs. But they need him to be that guy because they're not going to be ahead in games twenty seven ten in the fourth quarter. Yeah, as we thought, there's not much talent. All right, let's talk Eagles and Cowboys. I think Jalen Hurts has exploded as a talent. Many subscribe to the theory that it's mostly the people around him, the old lines, the d lines. So Gardner Minshew is to me has kind of a Baker Mayfield skill set. Can move a little, control a little, but there's some talent here that you could win games with him. I wouldn't build around him. Can Gardner Minshew with his talent? Is there a massive gap between him and Hurts? Or can they be effective moving the ball at all against Dallas's defense with Minshew? Well, those are two separate questions. I think that there's a pretty significant talent gap there, but they can be effective moving the ball. This is a team with arguably the best offensive line football. Yes, they've got Brown and Smith on the outside. They're going to get Goddard back this week, who's a top five tight end in this league. They've got good running backs. So what they will be missing, and it's significant, is the run game that involves Hurts. And when I say the run game that involves Hurts, I don't mean where he's running. Don't forget. He changes the way defenses have to play because of the run threat, whether he runs or not. So when he's in the gun, which he is almost all the time. Colin, you have to think zone read, you have to think quarterback power, you have to think quarterback draw, you have to be aware of all these design quarterback runs that impact how you line up and how you play. You're not gonna have to think about any of those things with Gardner Minshew. So can Gardner Minshew execute the offense in a more conventional way? Yes, I believe he can, But there is a meaningful drop off not only in talent, but in how defenses prepare and have to play. And I think that's something that should not be overlooked at all. Yeah, a little betting advice there for those of you who are having That's very interesting. I was saying this. We're in year seven with Dak. They have the second most, second most Pro Bowlers, pretty profound run game, they have a ceedee Lamb has established himself as a go to number one, and in the three losses, Dak's completed sixty percent of his throws, passer rating in the seventy and like six touchdowns five picks. I've never been in love with Dak. I like his intangibles more than his tangibles. But how is he playing football this year? I didn't think Jacksonville's loss was on him. How is he playing this year? You know, I like Dak overall. I mean I think Dak when you watch him and study just him, he knows how to play quarterback. He's a pocket quarterback. He goes through progressions, he understands the offense, he knows where to go with the football. I think this year he's had some bouts of inaccuracy where the ball placement hasn't been as precise as it needs to. You know, it's funny you mentioned Cede Lamb. I think Cede Lamb is their number one. I'm not sure Cede Lamb is one of those big time number ones the way we talk about other number ones. And I think since Gallup has come back, he's not been the same guy. They don't really have a number three. Yeah, you know, I think Schultz is a nice tight end, but not a special tight end. So I don't really think the Cowboys have a lot on the perimeter. So you know, they obviously have two good backs, although Elliott is certainly not the back he was. The tape tells you that immediately all you have to do is put the tape on he does not move like he used to. Pollard's definitely got juice. But this team, to me, is not as talented on offense. When you watch tape as I think the narrative is Colin all right, Zach Wilson and the Jets against the jag So let's talk Jets. Zach threw for over three hundred yards. Have you seen since he was benched? Did you see a little growth, lill growth? Well, maybe a little. You know, it's funny. I finished watching that tape and I said to myself, this is where I think they would have hoped he would have been last year. After four or five starts. You know, you see the snaps in which he has light athletic feed in the live, loose arm, with the easy ability to throw the football. That's evident. You know that we knew that even before he came out. You know. The problem that he has, and it's going to need to be cleaned up or it's going to be a struggle every week, is he has significant ball placement issues, even on some completions. I mean, he just does not place the ball where it needs to be. And he is consistent, consistently. Colin late on throws. He's a beat late, and he has to become quicker. Mentally, he has to become more precise. I think there's not the needed sync between his lower body and upper body when he delivers the football. So there's still a lot of work to do. That's why I said, you would have liked to have seen him be at this point last year and his year. But he's always going to make a few plays that get people excited. He doesn't make the easy plays, the routine plays. Yes, and those are the plays that have to be made. Yep. That is what we've said from day one. He misses the laps. You gotta hit the laps before you shoot to hit the lap. Yep. Ye, the great ones do Okay, Trevor Lawrence, we're going to close with this. Eventually you'll get to the big play. But you know, I loved him. I'm a little crazy over the top. I would have picked him number one years ago. He's starting to play pretty well. Greg. Yeah, you can see he's much more decisive Colin and I think now there's a good marriage brewing between the offensive scheme and Lawrence. Because Lawrence is a long body, long legged, you needed to speed him up just everything he does need. He did need it to be quicker and it is now and you know what, the ball comes out, which tells you that he's far more confident in the scheme. He knows where to go with the football. You know, don't get Doug Peterson comes from the Andy Reid school. That's how he grew up in the game as a coach, even as a player. He was in Philly as a player, and he's been in that offense for basically his whole life. So he understands that offense, and that offense is really well schemed. It defines throws for quarterbacks. We've seen that through the years and you can see Lawrence really taking to it. Now. He's not getting stuck in the pocket. So the ball comes out. And I think one of the most overlooked things about Lawrence maybe it's not overlooked, but it shows up all the time is he's a very good thrower on the run. Column that may be what the thing he does absolutely best is throw the ball on the run. And actually that's where we go, you know, with the big play this week, because he was forced to throw the ball on the run on this touchdown that we're going to show where he threw it to a Jones for a long touchdown of fifty nine yards. So this was last week against the Cowboys. This was not a designed to movement play. He moved out of the pocket in response to pressure, and obviously you see the great throw. So what this is this is this is just a play action type shot play. He's under center, and I like under center play action a lot more than I like shotgun play action. So you're going to see the play action element. And then Zay Jones down below is number one. He's the outside receiver on the trip side of the formation. And look at the corner playing soft off coverage, and normally you don't get over the top of corners who are playing soft, but this is a double move. It's basically an out and go. And you can see the corner Joseph who ended up getting benched in this game. By the way. You see that he is beat So now what we're going to do is take this back and you're going to see Lawrence because as I said, this play was not meant for him to leave the pocket, but he's going to get pressure from the outside rusher who's going to work inside against his right tackle, and he's going to force Lawrence to leave the pocket, and Lawrence does, and he's an excellent thrower on the move. I take the coaches who coached him and they say that's one of his absolute strengths is that he can make throws on the move. And I think that's an element of his game that's really important because Lawrence is a good thrower from the pocket, but he's not a special thrower. He's a good thrower. So now that he has this element to his game that really enhances it. And I think you and I would probably agree that in this league, now your quarterback is going to have to make second reaction plays where he has to move due to how to do it to pressure, and if you can't do that, it's tougher to play in the league. Good stuff, Greg co Sell, NFL Films. Thanks Greg, Thanks con the two takeaways I had in that segment. The Cowboys offensive personnel is overvalued because they play for the Dallas Cowboys. Ceedee Lamb, he says, is not a number one when you look at elite number ones. Schultz is a good tight end, but not special, not Travis Kelsey level. Obviously, Zeke doesn't have the burst. The second thing I took away as what we've been saying for years. Zach Wilson on the tape, he misses too many layoups. You gotta get seven to eight layoups completed in this league. You just have to. If you can't do the layoups, you don't have the guy back in a second Live in Los Angeles, It's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Saturday, It's a special day of football on Fox, featuring the biggest game of the year as the Eagles fight for the NFC East Crown against Dak and the Cowboys. It okays off Saturday, Christmas Eve at four eastern one Pacific on Fox and the Fox Sports App. Greg co Sell trying he's getting into the gambling space now I can sense it. Well. His whole takeaway is Jalen Hurts is way more valuable than people think, and Dallas's skilled people and offensive perimeter people just aren't that special. It's interesting because the market disagrees with that. Remember the Cowboys were one and a half point favorites when it was Hurts in he's out now and it's about six, so he's only five and a half. We know Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes was like nine points from Mahomes the best quarterback ever. Okay, Jalen Hurts and the league, Yeah, that's an award. But I mean, if Mahomes is worth ten to twelve points, he's the best quarterback ever. I think if you're worth five, you're a franchise quarterback. Remember Zach was Wilson, Mike White, there was like no different. Dak and Cooper rush at least four and a half, right five, But it looks like Jalen Hurts is worth I'm not. My thing with Hurts is their offense has made the jump to light speed this year. They are incredible. Now a lot of it is scheduled based, but they're incredible because Hurts can beat you on the right right, that's right, mits you ain't doing that right, it's gonna be a drop back passing off. Wondering if shouldn't it be a Dallas blowout. Can't run the same match up, can't run the same offense. I mean, if Hurt is the MVP. Minshew can't even run the offense Dallas at home. But if it had an offensive, Dallas is ready for How much tape is there on Minshew? They were one and a half games last year. It's so very without a j Brown Jay. That's a problem. Colin. You can go back and forth on all these games and make cases for both sides. I was going to be a lawyer back in the day. I don't know if you knew that, and like so, I'm good at making cases for both sides. But the problem is you gotta, you know, pooper, get off the pot as they say, Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's a stayaway game right now, Dallas. In terms of betting, it's a stayaway game. I already took the six, so I'm pot committee. Unfortunately, J back with the news. No, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. We have a benching in the NFL. The Colts officially benched Matt Ryan for the second time, the second time this season. I feel kind of bad from that, right, Come on, the GM did not want Carson Wentz to be Jettison. He didn't remember. This was the owner that wanted to get rid of twenty seven touchdown seven pick, very mobile Wentz. Now, we were all over this when they benched, when the owner said, let's turn to the sam Ellinger, who, by the way, has not stiffed the field. Is this Jeff Saturday going Nick Foles? Or is this I think Erse runs the franchise? Now er Ersee got rid of Wentz made no sense. Wentz had twenty seven t D seven picks. The ersee got rid of Frank Reich and his play caller made no sense. Frank Ryce is gonna get a job, getting a job somewhere next year, one of the better ones. So I mean they are this is an organization now run by the owner. Good luck. Nick Foles is gonna be the starter. I was reading up on this during the commercial break, always looking for an edge. If you know, Nick Foles was with the practice team for most of the season, not even like the backup throwing two guys during the practice week. This is this is kind of a dramatic change. Chargers Monday Night Football? Is that a watch? Is that a must watch for you? Is this back to the slope? Chargers are always a must watch because of Herbert. Because of Herbert. Here you have a man crush on him. Next up, Baker Mayfield has only with the Rams for a couple of weeks, a boy he's enjoying his time. He spent with Sean mcveay ahead of Sunday's match up with the Broncos. Baker spoke about what he has noticed about the teaching style of his new head coach, just how detailed he is. I mean talking about, you know, even when a play looks good in practice, somehow fine tuning it afterwards to the you know the what if look, what if we get this certain look? How do we want to teach the guy? Um? I mean it's it's pretty special to watch how detailed he is, um and just getting to know him, and you know how he wants to put guys in good positions, you know, not to ask anybody to do something they're not capable of, and just making sure he's he's putting guys in a great spot. That's an interesting hat from Baker. I'm looking at it there, I'm like, what is that? Does he have his own logo now? Baker Mayfield? Well, because he didn't look like his initials. He's very much into that. Yeah, he's pretty entrepreneurial. I thought maybe it was the Yellowstone. Are you watching that show? By the way, I've watched every year of Yellowstone. Yeah, it's great. It's been really good. I like it. I thought that was a Yellowstone hat. But no. Anyway, Baker Mayfield is still playing quarterback now to a great story, Colin. This is just breaking here in the last hour. According to NBA insider Chris Haynes, rival execs believe Tray Young could be the next player on a rookie max extension to request a trade if the situation does not improve with the Atlanta Hawks. I love this team this year common they felt the sixteen and sixteen. Last night they lost at the Buzzer to the Chicago Bulls, which is embarrassing. They are ninth Atlanta is in the East. Not expect when you added to Joan to Murray in the offseason. He's a nice player. They have a great backcourt, the good pieces, but the coach and Trey Young are butting heads. Young is currently in the first year of his extension that goes through twenty six twenty seven. I'll just tell you this right now, you already got a team. I don't want him to leave, but he already had one coach pretty much run out in Atlanta, like you're running again, Trey. This is troubling. Where you know, the Knicks have their guards now playing well. So the Knicks are playing well, they have their guards. Who needs a shoot first point guard kind of Clippers, get Trey Young, give them Paul George, maybe Reggie Jackson, a Terrence Man. They can retool. Paul George, by the way, both ends still a top fifteen player in the league. Absolutely regular season Paul George, well whatever, that's whatever. Playoff is a thing. He cannot deliver the postseason anymore. How about this, Clippers go out because you can't depend on Kauai and Paul hasn't been great in the playoffs. Trey Young is a big city fun star. To get Trey Young, given Paul George, like a Reggie Jackson the draft pick, that's a win. Now, Well, I haven't not running through the trade machine. I mean, at some point, whether it's Paul George's inefficiency in the playoffs or Kawhi Leonards, inavailability Los Angeles is built for Trey that's a great point. Yeah, he is a time looking fun cocky. I mean, marry cocky. I would Tray Young to the Clippers and Paul George's till Elite give him Reggie Jackson can score. Maybe, I mean, Terrence Man, look over your roster, what matches up? That's interesting. I like it, Dan, I wish I had a better one. The only one I could think of is what team would be looking to unload a point guard and bring in another good point guard? And if I'm the Nets, can I unload Kyrie Irving and get Trey Young? Would never make that trade. If I was Atlanta, I don't want Kyrie Irving. I would not either. But he got ten more years a dropping. Yeah. And I know all these people are like, oh, he's just Steph Curry light, he's not good. Let me remind everybody he went to an Eastern Conference finals, something Joel Embiad has never done in his He's also Trey Young is um like Steph Curry as a showman. Yeah, and I remember I've taken the ballots. That's something I would do, like. I love it. I'm a big Tray Young fan. I know he doesn't play lick at defense college. It's like either's Kyri Red Mostly your great guards aren't great defenders. Marten didn't play it for eight years because don just playing d yet or no, no, no, But you do like Trey Young like you would want to add him? Yes, I you know. Listen, people say it's got some attitude. Guess what, you know what? You know what you he needs a strong coach, you know who you don't screw around with Tyler. Tyler didn't take any of that. He's confrontational. Point I was. I was off on Tyler. I thought he was overrated. He's done a good job. I know a couple of guys on the Clippers staff. Tyler confrontational. He's the opposite of Mike D'Antoni. He'll get right in your kitchen, tylu Trey um Kawhi Leonard. That make I like that a lot. Are we gonna charge the Clippers a fee for that one? You just giving out our consulting firm? Yeah, I don't know. I think it's terrible. I mean it's interesting, and that's what the NBA is now. People are going to spend the next few weeks. Remember it was Karl Anthony Towns for a minute. Are we gonna trade him? Where's he going? 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Part of the fun of this job as predictions and trying to see around corners, and a lot of times you'll get labeled. Oh that's a hot take. So I had said before this season, I think this is Belichick's last year in New England. Is that. I think Robert Kraft is going to sit down with him and say, Bob, we both own homes in Jupiter, Florida. We'll still golf together. I'll write you a big check. But it's time. You're in your seventies, it's time. That was viewed by some as crazy, a hot take, but Andy Reid was fired, Okay, so everybody has, you know, like pat Riley used to say, you got about ten years and then you know, it's white noise, your voice just people are just tired of it. And so it's interesting Robert Kraft owns the Patriots. If you've read many of the great books Jeff benedict Ian O'Connor, great writer, Seth Wickersham. I've read every single Patriot book, all of them. There have obviously been some Craft family leaks and then not always been complimentary of Belichick, who is to dismiss the media and not talk to them. And so Greg Rosenthal is another member of the Boston media. He had tweets this week saying how does he read all the Patriots coaching staff buzz the Crafts want to send a message to Bill through the media. I've now counted five reporters alluding the craft asking Belichick what changes he'll make, meaning basically, the Crafts are sending messages to Bill through the media. It's not the first time the Crafts have sent messages to Bill through the media. So I think Bill's rigid. It's hard to take power from him at this point. I think he's tone deaf on offense. And I've said this, Bobby Knight would not embrace the one and done Shashevsky did. Calipari did, and they won titles. Bobby fought it career over Mark Zuckerberg metaverse. You can be brilliant and tone deaf. Nobody wants to stay on online all day and pretend they're in a playtown. Nobody with a social life. So the NFL's obviously pivoted very very quickly to offense. And the other thing is, I think you could masquerade some of this if you were in the NFC, But I think the offensive coaching and the quarterback play in the AFC is so substantial now it's and a lot of these great quarterbacks have great offensive coaches. Burrows got an offensive coach from Sean McVay, Mahomes, has Andy Reid, Trevor Lawrence now has a guy that beat an outdueled Belichick in a Super Bowl, Doug Peterson, the only coach in the AFC. Two of them have great quarterbacks. Chargers and Bills both have defensive coaches, and Buffalo's O line and run game is a weakness and the on line and the offense despite Herbert's a weakness with the Chargers often, So what happens if a Sean Payton took the job with Herbert? Now it's read in Mahomes, Zach Taylor, and Burrow Hardball Lamar despite their lack of weapons, is already pretty dynamic right in most years. So I think what's happening is the AFC. You're getting these young coaches and these superstar quarterbacks, and in comparison, in the AFC, New England just looks like a baby gun offense. It's embarrassing. They can't throw the ball down the field. I think you could get away with it more. I mean, Brady right now is having a bad year, but in that horrible NFC division, he'll probably win the division. You can't hide in the AFC. If you're toned off to offense, you're exposed every weekend end of the season, Patriots missed the playoffs. Scrafts sit down, Bill, you gotta work on this, Bill says, bleep you out of here. I don't need you guys. You guys, I know football. You guys don't know anything. Does Belichick retire or does he go to another job the same way Tom Brady? He went to Tampa to win a Super Bowl. I don't think Brady wants to end his career. I think, like some struggles, I think Belichick largely considers retirement interesting. I just looked it up. He's seventy years old. Nick Saban coaching into his seventies. Yeah, no, I think I think he because I think Peyton. Here's what's interesting to show you how much we all know awards are overrated. Like people win awards in every industry, they're not really the funniest is the sports media, the other awards whatever. So let's talk right now. If Belichick was on the market and Peyton was, you'd hire Peyton in a second because he's an offensive coach. I mean, if I own the Chargers and Staley didn't get to the playoffs, and I have Belichick, who's rigid and a defensive coach or Peyton. It's not even close. I'd hire Sean Payton, who younger. Sean Payton had a great relationship with a Benson family and Mickey Loomis, he's his best friend. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked, honestly if Sean Payton three years was back coaching the Saints like his best friends, the GM he loves. I'm just guessing and I have no insight. But the point being is Peyton works with people. He's come to Fox, he gets along with everybody. Everybody loves Sean gets along with everybody. He's hanging out in Manhattan, be to the restaurants, the restaurant on everybody knows Sean Payton, Everybody loves Sean Payton. So if you're giving me Sean or Belichick rigid defense, my way awful with media, wants control over personnel. No thank you, no thank you, no thank you to Bill Belichick. I'm just telling you with Justin Herbert, No, I'm watching the Mac Jones thing. It's embarrassing. Mac Jones is not this bad. So I'm just Ben Volland, who covers the Patriots, was on our show yesterday talking about New England and a potential coaching change. There is no way that anyone here in New England is accepting of Matt Patricia as the offensive coordinator. There are there's a ground swell, I think still a minority, but I think people are ready to slowly starting to move on from Bill Belichick that if this is what it's going to be, it's time to start over. And then this loss against the Raiders, obviously the final play just one of the dumbest plays you'll ever seen in football. But the whole loss was dysfunctional. They couldn't score a touchdown on the goal line, They're burning two time outs down there. Mac Jones is once again, you know, yelling at his teammates and brushing off his coaches, and it's just a mess right now. They also had an issue on a punt block. You know, it's one of those things where Belichick years and years ago, I always watched for this with people like CEOs, what got you there? And what are you now? So Belichick for years, no days off, Belichick for years all about winning. And then urban Meyer about four years ago said that Belichick had told him that at this age, I only want to coach and work with people I like, that's not the Patriot way. The Patriot way was whatever it takes to win. That means you bring in Randy Moss, who could be difficult. That means you bring in Aaron Hernandez was difficult out of college. You bring in egos. Remember the Patriot way, whatever it takes to win, that's not what they are. Now we've got kids on his staff, We've got guys who have failed massively. But he likes Joe Judge, he likes Matt Patricia. Those aren't the best guys on the market. It's who he wants to coach with. He's changed Belichick the net Worth goal and he's a legend. But everything with Bill early was all about winning. It's not. And Bill verbalized it to urban Meyer, It's not all about winning. It's about who Bill wants to work with. Now, it's not the way it works. Andy Reid drafts guys and acquires guys and coaches guys that probably drive him crazy. That's how you win. Can I float a team to you? All right? So they're really good this year. Let's say they lose in the first round and Mike McCarthy Jerry says, I've had enough, and Bill Belichick is on the Martin no Way the Selling Point Bill, Noah, you win a super Bow. We haven't been to a zuper Bown forever. Can you get us back there? Belichick's tight with Jimmy Johnson. He's heard all the stories. No Way, no Way, Hour three fun Though the Herd one more Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like