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Now a youth volleyball tournament. He attracted a big crowd. Hey, quick question. Let me ask you, and I know you're not a big social media guy. On weekends, You've got a bubbly life out there in the Midwest. Do you put something out about Caitlin Clark during one of her games?

Now a youth volleyball tournament. He attracted a big crowd. Hey, quick question. Let me ask you, and I know you're not a big social media guy. On weekends, You've got a bubbly life out there in the Midwest. Do you put something out about Caitlin Clark during one of her games?

Do you see like a just a tsunami of a reaction.

Do you see like a just a tsunami of a reaction.

Everybody seems to have thoughts on Kaitlin Clark is she's probably more polarizing than any NBA player right now.

Everybody seems to have thoughts on Kaitlin Clark is she's probably more polarizing than any NBA player right now.

Yeah, I don't get the polarizing. She's good. Yeah, let's enjoy her. I don't get, like I understand. I do understand a little bit of the animosity with players. They you know, it's like when Bryce Harper came in baseball, nobody paid attention to us. Now you like the flashy new player and her game is flashy, so I get some animosity. But I always felt this. I remember when Manny Ramirez left the Red Sox and he came back and people were like, yeah, I don't know if I like him, and my take his You're the Red Sox. You could never beat the Yankees. I don't care what you think of Kurt Shilling or Manny Ramirez. You beat the Yankees. You won rings with them. Like, if somebody makes my life better, like, I don't care if it's your ex wife, If you had fifteen great years, appreciate it. Those that's a big chapter in your life that was good. So Kaitlin Clark's making everybody's life better. You can fly Spirit Airlines or you can upgrade to private that alone is a thank you card and gift. I mean to me, I don't get the polarization. All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, and plenty.

Yeah, I don't get the polarizing. She's good. Yeah, let's enjoy her. I don't get, like I understand. I do understand a little bit of the animosity with players. They you know, it's like when Bryce Harper came in baseball, nobody paid attention to us. Now you like the flashy new player and her game is flashy, so I get some animosity. But I always felt this. I remember when Manny Ramirez left the Red Sox and he came back and people were like, yeah, I don't know if I like him, and my take his You're the Red Sox. You could never beat the Yankees. I don't care what you think of Kurt Shilling or Manny Ramirez. You beat the Yankees. You won rings with them. Like, if somebody makes my life better, like, I don't care if it's your ex wife, If you had fifteen great years, appreciate it. Those that's a big chapter in your life that was good. So Kaitlin Clark's making everybody's life better. You can fly Spirit Airlines or you can upgrade to private that alone is a thank you card and gift. I mean to me, I don't get the polarization. All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, and plenty.

Of votes where Colin was right.

Of votes where Colin was right.

Well, my inclination was when the push push got pushed through, it was because of Jason Kelsey, the soon to be Hall of Famer center for the Philadelphia Eagles, who stood in front of the owners in a suit, got in a stance and made a declaration that it was safe. And the stories out today is Jason Kelsey indeed was the reason he changed about three to four votes that it passed. Listen, the Health and Safety Committee of the NFL wants to get rid of it, so it had to be an influencer. It had to be somebody with great conviction to sell it, an owner or a player or a coach. And the reports are it was as we speculated. Jason Kelsey was right. PFF came out last week ranked quarterbacks, all of them. Dak Prescott was seventeenth, one spot ahead of two him, and that's exactly right. I know y'all love him. He's a cowboy and he's rich, and his intangibles from maturity to focus to leadership. I agree they're a plus, but as a thrower of the football, as an athlete, it's CC plus B minus. He is, especially after a second major surgery, in the middle of the pack, and I appreciate pff nailing where Colin was wrong. The Lakers need to deal Austin Reeves. I don't get the fascination, but Dan Woike reporting the organization loves him and the only af to pay him next year fourteen million, and they see him as an absolute steal. I see him as a guy that got worked athletically against Minnesota's wing players. I see him as a guy that should be the fourth best player on a championship team. I think he's a little less talented than Derek White, who I feel the same way about. If he's your fourth best player, you should be buying for championships.

Well, my inclination was when the push push got pushed through, it was because of Jason Kelsey, the soon to be Hall of Famer center for the Philadelphia Eagles, who stood in front of the owners in a suit, got in a stance and made a declaration that it was safe. And the stories out today is Jason Kelsey indeed was the reason he changed about three to four votes that it passed. Listen, the Health and Safety Committee of the NFL wants to get rid of it, so it had to be an influencer. It had to be somebody with great conviction to sell it, an owner or a player or a coach. And the reports are it was as we speculated. Jason Kelsey was right. PFF came out last week ranked quarterbacks, all of them. Dak Prescott was seventeenth, one spot ahead of two him, and that's exactly right. I know y'all love him. He's a cowboy and he's rich, and his intangibles from maturity to focus to leadership. I agree they're a plus, but as a thrower of the football, as an athlete, it's CC plus B minus. He is, especially after a second major surgery, in the middle of the pack, and I appreciate pff nailing where Colin was wrong. The Lakers need to deal Austin Reeves. I don't get the fascination, but Dan Woike reporting the organization loves him and the only af to pay him next year fourteen million, and they see him as an absolute steal. I see him as a guy that got worked athletically against Minnesota's wing players. I see him as a guy that should be the fourth best player on a championship team. I think he's a little less talented than Derek White, who I feel the same way about. If he's your fourth best player, you should be buying for championships.

But I'm wrong, apparently where Colin was right.

But I'm wrong, apparently where Colin was right.

Insiders now saying Jeremy Fowler reports that Aaron Rodgers many believe has his eye on Minnesota and that is why he has n't signed with Pittsburgh. It's not just necessarily the personal reasons. I don't know it to be true, but I have speculated he's too smart to think Pittsburgh's a good fit. Burrow twice a year with better offensive teammates and a better offensive coach Lamar Jackson in a better organization twice a year. Pittsburgh is a bunch of ls, even with Aaron Rodgers, and I think he knows it where Colin was right, Zach Eed he made the All Rookie team. The former produce star, I didn't understand the pushback on him. Mark Few came on our show and said he never faced an offensive college player that unstoppable. Dan Hurley came on the Herd and said, the NBA doesn't know what they're talking about. He's going to work in this league and for Memphis. He made the All Rookie team. He's a guy that just kept grinding. He got better sophomore to junior, junior's senior year, and I think you're gonna see continued improvement. He clearly has an excellent work ethic where Colin was raw. The Eagles signed an extension in Nick Siriani. You know, I don't quite get the vibe. I think there's a lot of circumstances like Howie Roseman and Jalen Hurts, and Sae Kwon Barkley in the old line that elevated him. But you know what, the players like him. I don't have to get everybody. I mean at Philadelphia is a loud, high volume, high intensity town, and there's an argument he fits the Eagles more than any other team. So I can take it wrong.

Insiders now saying Jeremy Fowler reports that Aaron Rodgers many believe has his eye on Minnesota and that is why he has n't signed with Pittsburgh. It's not just necessarily the personal reasons. I don't know it to be true, but I have speculated he's too smart to think Pittsburgh's a good fit. Burrow twice a year with better offensive teammates and a better offensive coach Lamar Jackson in a better organization twice a year. Pittsburgh is a bunch of ls, even with Aaron Rodgers, and I think he knows it where Colin was right, Zach Eed he made the All Rookie team. The former produce star, I didn't understand the pushback on him. Mark Few came on our show and said he never faced an offensive college player that unstoppable. Dan Hurley came on the Herd and said, the NBA doesn't know what they're talking about. He's going to work in this league and for Memphis. He made the All Rookie team. He's a guy that just kept grinding. He got better sophomore to junior, junior's senior year, and I think you're gonna see continued improvement. He clearly has an excellent work ethic where Colin was raw. The Eagles signed an extension in Nick Siriani. You know, I don't quite get the vibe. I think there's a lot of circumstances like Howie Roseman and Jalen Hurts, and Sae Kwon Barkley in the old line that elevated him. But you know what, the players like him. I don't have to get everybody. I mean at Philadelphia is a loud, high volume, high intensity town, and there's an argument he fits the Eagles more than any other team. So I can take it wrong.

On that where Colin was right.

On that where Colin was right.

Oh, Jordan Hudson reportedly wearing a new ring and not wanted Belichick's Super Bowl rings. It could be an engagement ring since I'm the only American media member that does appear to approve of this relationship, once again proving I am not only America's honesty broker, but I'm a hopeless romantic. I see it working. I think they like each other. Relationships can be complicated, but there is a report that they have a future, that these two are a real thing.

Oh, Jordan Hudson reportedly wearing a new ring and not wanted Belichick's Super Bowl rings. It could be an engagement ring since I'm the only American media member that does appear to approve of this relationship, once again proving I am not only America's honesty broker, but I'm a hopeless romantic. I see it working. I think they like each other. Relationships can be complicated, but there is a report that they have a future, that these two are a real thing.

Where Colin was right.

Where Colin was right.

NBA Western Finals between Minnesota and OKC is a ratings dud I said, I think the Knicks Pacers is going to get great numbers and it has. This is not a needle mover. Sga is not a dynamic player. He's just a great score. It's a small market and Minnesota is not a huge basketball brand. So it doesn't surprise me that this is just not moving the needle. Like I think tonight could be the best game of the series. If Minnesota wins it, I think that helps. If OKC wins, I think the ratings are just going to be abysmal. We've had this before. Duncan in the Spurs when they were running the league. We're not a captivating team was great, but he was a big fundamental. He wasn't dynamic, he wasn't a big personality.

NBA Western Finals between Minnesota and OKC is a ratings dud I said, I think the Knicks Pacers is going to get great numbers and it has. This is not a needle mover. Sga is not a dynamic player. He's just a great score. It's a small market and Minnesota is not a huge basketball brand. So it doesn't surprise me that this is just not moving the needle. Like I think tonight could be the best game of the series. If Minnesota wins it, I think that helps. If OKC wins, I think the ratings are just going to be abysmal. We've had this before. Duncan in the Spurs when they were running the league. We're not a captivating team was great, but he was a big fundamental. He wasn't dynamic, he wasn't a big personality.

It happens where Colin was raw.

It happens where Colin was raw.

Kenny Pickett, now viewed as the front runner for the Cleveland Browns quarterback gime. I don't get it. Just I'm gonna die on this hill. Shador Sanders is going to win this job. Pickett's on his third team in four years in his NFL career, fifteen touchdowns, fourteen picks. I don't get it. You know, nice kid. I think he's a backup. I think he loves football. But I said it when he came out. He's more of a second mid third round pick. He didn't pop on TV. He did have one great college play where he was going to slide. He faked it, stood ran we all ran on a thousand times, but I don't see it as a franchise quarterback. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, eighteen years in the NFL, joins US Live. I'll ask you about the Tush push. You can tell from the committees the league wants to get rid of it, and Jeffry Lurie has you know, the Eagles are a respected franchise and Jason Kelcey obviously, you know, he's just one of those guys, the grinder. He's loved by the NFL community. Do you think not passes for a year? If I said five years tush push, do you think it's gonna last?

Kenny Pickett, now viewed as the front runner for the Cleveland Browns quarterback gime. I don't get it. Just I'm gonna die on this hill. Shador Sanders is going to win this job. Pickett's on his third team in four years in his NFL career, fifteen touchdowns, fourteen picks. I don't get it. You know, nice kid. I think he's a backup. I think he loves football. But I said it when he came out. He's more of a second mid third round pick. He didn't pop on TV. He did have one great college play where he was going to slide. He faked it, stood ran we all ran on a thousand times, but I don't see it as a franchise quarterback. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, eighteen years in the NFL, joins US Live. I'll ask you about the Tush push. You can tell from the committees the league wants to get rid of it, and Jeffry Lurie has you know, the Eagles are a respected franchise and Jason Kelcey obviously, you know, he's just one of those guys, the grinder. He's loved by the NFL community. Do you think not passes for a year? If I said five years tush push, do you think it's gonna last?

No, I don't think it's going to last. And I don't think they want to get rid of it.

No, I don't think it's going to last. And I don't think they want to get rid of it.

I just think they.

I just think they.

Don't know what to do with it. You know, they really don't. And it's it's I think you said it earlier. It's a health and safety issue. That's how you move the needle on these things. There's probably just no data that shows that this is a play where people get injured. You know what the NFL doesn't want. They don't want wasted plays like the extra point when they moved it back, and they don't want plays that the injury rate goes up, you lose star players.

Don't know what to do with it. You know, they really don't. And it's it's I think you said it earlier. It's a health and safety issue. That's how you move the needle on these things. There's probably just no data that shows that this is a play where people get injured. You know what the NFL doesn't want. They don't want wasted plays like the extra point when they moved it back, and they don't want plays that the injury rate goes up, you lose star players.

You know.

You know.

I thought, actually in the Super Bowl when Chris Jones went down, I thought, oh, well, if he gets hurt on this play, then this play has no has no future. But I just don't think the data is there. And you know, Jason Kelsey talking to the team, to the you know, to the competition committee, that's not unusual. I remember, you know, one time on the extra point they brought in Adam Vane Terry to talk about that extra point situation. They brought in different long snappers that had gotten hurt on extra point plays, and you know, they brought in special teams people to talk about the kickoff and the kickoff return. So it's not unusual. I just think that some people present their case better than others, and I would imagine Jason Kelsey was probably pretty persuasive.

I thought, actually in the Super Bowl when Chris Jones went down, I thought, oh, well, if he gets hurt on this play, then this play has no has no future. But I just don't think the data is there. And you know, Jason Kelsey talking to the team, to the you know, to the competition committee, that's not unusual. I remember, you know, one time on the extra point they brought in Adam Vane Terry to talk about that extra point situation. They brought in different long snappers that had gotten hurt on extra point plays, and you know, they brought in special teams people to talk about the kickoff and the kickoff return. So it's not unusual. I just think that some people present their case better than others, and I would imagine Jason Kelsey was probably pretty persuasive.

So on the Aaron Rodgers thing, when you're I mean, at some point players get older, like Kirk Cousins, and you do have leverage because you have two hundred million dollars in the bank and you don't want to play, you don't want to play, and Aaron certainly earned it. He's made a fortune. There's talk about personal stuff. My take has always been smart people are often too smart to try to fool me that they're interested in something that's not smart. Pittsburgh's a tone deaf offensive culture. Minnesota is a really good offensive culture. If you were a quarterback and you maybe have a year or two left of all all the teams, New Orleans, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, what would be your process on eliminating and including teams? What does matter to an older quarterback?

So on the Aaron Rodgers thing, when you're I mean, at some point players get older, like Kirk Cousins, and you do have leverage because you have two hundred million dollars in the bank and you don't want to play, you don't want to play, and Aaron certainly earned it. He's made a fortune. There's talk about personal stuff. My take has always been smart people are often too smart to try to fool me that they're interested in something that's not smart. Pittsburgh's a tone deaf offensive culture. Minnesota is a really good offensive culture. If you were a quarterback and you maybe have a year or two left of all all the teams, New Orleans, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, what would be your process on eliminating and including teams? What does matter to an older quarterback?

Well, who likes me back? That's a really important thing. Like, Yeah, I've been seeing the reports that Aaron Rodgers would prefer Minnesota, who would not like everyone would great play caller, great head coach, great skill around you, amazing defense on the other side of the ball. Yeah, I get it, but they seem to be already settled on JJ McCarthy as their quarterback. So I don't think listen the quarterback free agency situation when you're at the end of your career, it's very similar to musical chairs. There's only a certain amount of chairs. When the music stops. The music stops. And so I've been saying this for a long time. I believe I said it on your show, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be with the Pittsburgh Steelers. All this other talk about all these other teams, it's not happening. I do not see it happening. There's no rush for a veteran quarterback. I think I said it on your show. There's no way he's signing before May twenty s. Absolutely no way you signed before phase phase three. There's no reason to, especially if you're a guy has experienced his a rod So I mean, to me, I think that June ninth time, when they have that mandatory mini camp, is like, all right, if it's not you, then we got to move on as the Steelers. But to me, listen, is it the best situation out there? No, but it's it needs to be mutual acceptance. And the music's about to stop soon here, and he's gonna have to sit down or get out.

Well, who likes me back? That's a really important thing. Like, Yeah, I've been seeing the reports that Aaron Rodgers would prefer Minnesota, who would not like everyone would great play caller, great head coach, great skill around you, amazing defense on the other side of the ball. Yeah, I get it, but they seem to be already settled on JJ McCarthy as their quarterback. So I don't think listen the quarterback free agency situation when you're at the end of your career, it's very similar to musical chairs. There's only a certain amount of chairs. When the music stops. The music stops. And so I've been saying this for a long time. I believe I said it on your show, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be with the Pittsburgh Steelers. All this other talk about all these other teams, it's not happening. I do not see it happening. There's no rush for a veteran quarterback. I think I said it on your show. There's no way he's signing before May twenty s. Absolutely no way you signed before phase phase three. There's no reason to, especially if you're a guy has experienced his a rod So I mean, to me, I think that June ninth time, when they have that mandatory mini camp, is like, all right, if it's not you, then we got to move on as the Steelers. But to me, listen, is it the best situation out there? No, but it's it needs to be mutual acceptance. And the music's about to stop soon here, and he's gonna have to sit down or get out.

So I forget how you feel about brock Purty. I like him, but I do feel much like a Dak Prescott or Atua. He needs an offensive coach. He's got to have some weaponry. His contract, now that it's all been laid out, is not as punitive as initially thought. But my take is older teams get hurt more often and it takes longer to recover. So if you tell me Trent William spraindon e in week two, I'd be like, this isn't going to be good. Whereas a you know, a guy like An Allan, a Lamar, a Burrow, it's more able to overcome that stuff. When you looked at the brock pretty numbers, knowing this is a pretty old team at running back, at linebacker, at left tackle, at tight end, are you good with it?

So I forget how you feel about brock Purty. I like him, but I do feel much like a Dak Prescott or Atua. He needs an offensive coach. He's got to have some weaponry. His contract, now that it's all been laid out, is not as punitive as initially thought. But my take is older teams get hurt more often and it takes longer to recover. So if you tell me Trent William spraindon e in week two, I'd be like, this isn't going to be good. Whereas a you know, a guy like An Allan, a Lamar, a Burrow, it's more able to overcome that stuff. When you looked at the brock pretty numbers, knowing this is a pretty old team at running back, at linebacker, at left tackle, at tight end, are you good with it?

Well, a couple of things. As a quarterback who played on the old CBA, I see all of these quarterback numbers and I'm like, what you know? I feel like I was born at the wrong time, Like that's the first thing. But you like Brockberty. I love Brockberty. I put myself in the category of Kyle Shanahan John Lynch. I think he's an absolute baller. I think he's one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the in the entire game. I think he does things that quarterbacks don't get credit for, things that don't show up on your passer rating. I think he's a really good player. I also think that this is kind of a team friendly deal. He didn't handcuff them to the level that I believe that he could have, So I think I think this is a dangerous team. I think this is a team last year that had a terrible season. I think they could be a playoff team next year. I hear what you're saying about age and losing some other good players, but I think this is still a team that I believe in and.

Well, a couple of things. As a quarterback who played on the old CBA, I see all of these quarterback numbers and I'm like, what you know? I feel like I was born at the wrong time, Like that's the first thing. But you like Brockberty. I love Brockberty. I put myself in the category of Kyle Shanahan John Lynch. I think he's an absolute baller. I think he's one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the in the entire game. I think he does things that quarterbacks don't get credit for, things that don't show up on your passer rating. I think he's a really good player. I also think that this is kind of a team friendly deal. He didn't handcuff them to the level that I believe that he could have, So I think I think this is a dangerous team. I think this is a team last year that had a terrible season. I think they could be a playoff team next year. I hear what you're saying about age and losing some other good players, but I think this is still a team that I believe in and.

For a good part.

For a good part.

Yeah, he's a quarterback that needs a great coach and a great system. Great what quarterback doesn't want that? So put me on, put me down as a team that believes in this quarterback. I like the signing and I think this is a good team to watch this year.

Yeah, he's a quarterback that needs a great coach and a great system. Great what quarterback doesn't want that? So put me on, put me down as a team that believes in this quarterback. I like the signing and I think this is a good team to watch this year.

Okay, I want to ask you about I said, it's a head coach quarterback league. Very few players, even a TJ. Watt, are not worth a point. That's just the way the league is. You get the right coach and you get the right quarterback, you're gonna win sixty five to seventy five percent of your games. You're gonna win your division. That's why the AFC is so much easier to protect than the NFC. Because you have more great quarterbacks. So I said, there are four people of all the additions in the NFL that I think change outcomes, And my take was they were so bad quarterback at Tennessee. I think cam Ward will change outcomes. I think Vrabel takes over for a coach that was probably a coordinator elevated to a spot that was a little much that early. I think Geno Smith is one of those guys nobody wants to admit. You give him time to throw in a run game. He's pretty good. And I do think Ben Johnson this would be my most controversial based on Cayleb Williams and your belief in him. Would you push back on any of these specifically? Uh?

Okay, I want to ask you about I said, it's a head coach quarterback league. Very few players, even a TJ. Watt, are not worth a point. That's just the way the league is. You get the right coach and you get the right quarterback, you're gonna win sixty five to seventy five percent of your games. You're gonna win your division. That's why the AFC is so much easier to protect than the NFC. Because you have more great quarterbacks. So I said, there are four people of all the additions in the NFL that I think change outcomes, And my take was they were so bad quarterback at Tennessee. I think cam Ward will change outcomes. I think Vrabel takes over for a coach that was probably a coordinator elevated to a spot that was a little much that early. I think Geno Smith is one of those guys nobody wants to admit. You give him time to throw in a run game. He's pretty good. And I do think Ben Johnson this would be my most controversial based on Cayleb Williams and your belief in him. Would you push back on any of these specifically? Uh?

I mean, I kind of agree with cam Ward. He gives you something. I just don't know if anybody's gonna care. It's kind of amazing to me. The lack of attention some teams get Tennessee, Jacksonville. Some of those teams I feel like they deserve more. Mike Vrabel I liked that a lot. I don't think I would pin it just on Gino though. I think for me, I think what's special about that's it? And I like Gino. I really like Geno a lot. I really think that Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, you know this weird Tom Brady involvement. I think that's probably the top edition for me. And you know, we got Ashton Gent, we got most dirt. Like I think that really is going to be a team effort there. I don't know that I would put Geno as the face of it, even though I think I agree with you. Ben Johnson's interesting to me. I think he's going to be hired much like much like Sean McVay was. He was hired. Sean McVay was hired to see if he could fix golf and Gurley, you know the La Rams. I think there were Saint Louis to LA you know, Todd Gurley, Jared Goff. Who's the right coach for those two guys. Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential, who realizes his potential. Last year, he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who he kind of thought he was before he was drafted.

I mean, I kind of agree with cam Ward. He gives you something. I just don't know if anybody's gonna care. It's kind of amazing to me. The lack of attention some teams get Tennessee, Jacksonville. Some of those teams I feel like they deserve more. Mike Vrabel I liked that a lot. I don't think I would pin it just on Gino though. I think for me, I think what's special about that's it? And I like Gino. I really like Geno a lot. I really think that Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, you know this weird Tom Brady involvement. I think that's probably the top edition for me. And you know, we got Ashton Gent, we got most dirt. Like I think that really is going to be a team effort there. I don't know that I would put Geno as the face of it, even though I think I agree with you. Ben Johnson's interesting to me. I think he's going to be hired much like much like Sean McVay was. He was hired. Sean McVay was hired to see if he could fix golf and Gurley, you know the La Rams. I think there were Saint Louis to LA you know, Todd Gurley, Jared Goff. Who's the right coach for those two guys. Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential, who realizes his potential. Last year, he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who he kind of thought he was before he was drafted.

Finally, you see the position of quarterback differently than us because you played it, your experience, you can coach it. If you look at Burrow, Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, almost all the great quarterbacks, they're not slow builds. In September of the first year, Burrow was throwing for three hundred and twenty five yards with an atrocious O line and a coach we didn't know. So generally, if you have it, we see it pretty quickly, especially for first round quarterbacks. Jayden Daniels was like twenty eight of thirty one in back to back weeks or thereabouts. How long because I think the weapons and the old line are pretty good. Now, how long will you give Caleb before you say warning, I'm not It can't just be wins because you can win games in this league and not play well. What will you look for with Caleb based on what you've seen and how long will you give him to be come a hit.

Finally, you see the position of quarterback differently than us because you played it, your experience, you can coach it. If you look at Burrow, Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, almost all the great quarterbacks, they're not slow builds. In September of the first year, Burrow was throwing for three hundred and twenty five yards with an atrocious O line and a coach we didn't know. So generally, if you have it, we see it pretty quickly, especially for first round quarterbacks. Jayden Daniels was like twenty eight of thirty one in back to back weeks or thereabouts. How long because I think the weapons and the old line are pretty good. Now, how long will you give Caleb before you say warning, I'm not It can't just be wins because you can win games in this league and not play well. What will you look for with Caleb based on what you've seen and how long will you give him to be come a hit.

I would have patience with him. I think he's got enough talent and enough upside to have patience with him. I don't think it's a quick I don't think you know right away. I mean Troy Aikman started out really poorly his rookie year, Like they didn't do well Peyton Manning, you know, I think he might have led the league in interceptions. Eli Manning get bench for Kurt Warner, Like there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. He doesn't start out well. Quarterback is such a team game. You need the people around you to play well. When you go to the team that has the first pick in the draft, they're usually not a great team. Now, in Caleb situation, I believe they've built it really well around him, especially this year, and they blamed everybody else in the building besides him, and so now I just think the spotlight's going to be on him. I would have patience, But at the same time, I don't know if Chicago Willy. I think they open up against Brian Flores's defense. That's a beast of a defense with all their all out pressure, their simulated pressure. I wouldn't wish that for any young quarterback. But at the end of the year, I think a decision will be made on him one way or the other. And it's just fair to say, if you watch the film, he's off to a very very slow start.

I would have patience with him. I think he's got enough talent and enough upside to have patience with him. I don't think it's a quick I don't think you know right away. I mean Troy Aikman started out really poorly his rookie year, Like they didn't do well Peyton Manning, you know, I think he might have led the league in interceptions. Eli Manning get bench for Kurt Warner, Like there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. He doesn't start out well. Quarterback is such a team game. You need the people around you to play well. When you go to the team that has the first pick in the draft, they're usually not a great team. Now, in Caleb situation, I believe they've built it really well around him, especially this year, and they blamed everybody else in the building besides him, and so now I just think the spotlight's going to be on him. I would have patience, But at the same time, I don't know if Chicago Willy. I think they open up against Brian Flores's defense. That's a beast of a defense with all their all out pressure, their simulated pressure. I wouldn't wish that for any young quarterback. But at the end of the year, I think a decision will be made on him one way or the other. And it's just fair to say, if you watch the film, he's off to a very very slow start.

Matt Hasselback on a Monday, Happy Memorial Day to you and your family.

Matt Hasselback on a Monday, Happy Memorial Day to you and your family.

Appreciate it, Bud, you too, see you can.

Appreciate it, Bud, you too, see you can.

All right, Matt Hasselback. Oha was good on the show today, Jay Mac you were smirking, so you were looking at something with great intensity as I was talking there. What's going on?

All right, Matt Hasselback. Oha was good on the show today, Jay Mac you were smirking, so you were looking at something with great intensity as I was talking there. What's going on?

Well, you know, like there's this huge discussion around Aaron Rodgers happening with the Steelers, and it's weird. The Steelers fan base seems a little torn, like do we want him or do we not? And I just wonder, you know, you never know when your stuff's going to cut through. I got to give you a shout out for your USC Notre Dame. That seemed kooky when you floated it was it last year and now it's coming true. But your idea of hey, you know what let's not add Rogers. Let's go Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and see how that works. I wonder if Steelers fans here in the coming week just gonna say, I don't want the Rogers drama, the nonsense.

Well, you know, like there's this huge discussion around Aaron Rodgers happening with the Steelers, and it's weird. The Steelers fan base seems a little torn, like do we want him or do we not? And I just wonder, you know, you never know when your stuff's going to cut through. I got to give you a shout out for your USC Notre Dame. That seemed kooky when you floated it was it last year and now it's coming true. But your idea of hey, you know what let's not add Rogers. Let's go Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and see how that works. I wonder if Steelers fans here in the coming week just gonna say, I don't want the Rogers drama, the nonsense.

There's just always something.

There's just always something.

Well, the baseball team's terrible, the hockey team's not making the playoffs. They don't have NBA University of Pittsburgh's math. So the Steelers are like, there's football season and waiting for football season in Pittsburgh. And so I think it's hard when and you go into these psych I can remember there being years that Willie Stargell and the Pirates were winning the World Series and the Steelers were great. I mean it goes in cycles. Right now, Pittsburgh, they've only been great when they've had a great quarterback. And they're right now. Remember what we said last year the Cowboys had the worst running back room in the league. We were right. We said it's it's Dak needs help. The Steelers have the worst quarterback room. I wouldn't be surprised if you know the Kirk Cousins thing. I guess, but that just feels like you're just plugging a hole.

Well, the baseball team's terrible, the hockey team's not making the playoffs. They don't have NBA University of Pittsburgh's math. So the Steelers are like, there's football season and waiting for football season in Pittsburgh. And so I think it's hard when and you go into these psych I can remember there being years that Willie Stargell and the Pirates were winning the World Series and the Steelers were great. I mean it goes in cycles. Right now, Pittsburgh, they've only been great when they've had a great quarterback. And they're right now. Remember what we said last year the Cowboys had the worst running back room in the league. We were right. We said it's it's Dak needs help. The Steelers have the worst quarterback room. I wouldn't be surprised if you know the Kirk Cousins thing. I guess, but that just feels like you're just plugging a hole.

Here.

Here.

It's a little whack a mole offensively. I think your play is go with the young guys, keep the culture strong. You're not gonna win a bunch of games, and then go big game hunting next year, and you may have to part with a TJ. Watt to go from like the eighth spot to the second spot and get the kid out of Penn State.

It's a little whack a mole offensively. I think your play is go with the young guys, keep the culture strong. You're not gonna win a bunch of games, and then go big game hunting next year, and you may have to part with a TJ. Watt to go from like the eighth spot to the second spot and get the kid out of Penn State.

Yeah.

Yeah.

By the way, remember how Belichick was not really wanted by any teams.

By the way, remember how Belichick was not really wanted by any teams.

They were like, hey, he's too old to rigid once.

They were like, hey, he's too old to rigid once.

I wonder if we're really close to that point with Aaron Rodgers and we're just like, it's the Steelers are nothing like sorry, the Vikings don't want to, the Niners don't want like are.

I wonder if we're really close to that point with Aaron Rodgers and we're just like, it's the Steelers are nothing like sorry, the Vikings don't want to, the Niners don't want like are.

We there yet?

We there yet?

Where it's just like no, thanks on Aaron Rodgers. That ship is saled.

Where it's just like no, thanks on Aaron Rodgers. That ship is saled.

We will never know until Aaron speaks it into truth because Aaron, you know, he wants to be mysterious. So my take is if he wanted to sign, he would. Hasselbeck says, it's May twenty seventh, son, I don't. My take's always been if he goes to Pittsburgh, I think they win one more game than they are now. I mean, I think that's what he's become, an old pocket quarterback who looked cold in outdoor, windy cold games. He looked old and cold is what he looked like. All right. Live in Chicago, It's The Herd.

We will never know until Aaron speaks it into truth because Aaron, you know, he wants to be mysterious. So my take is if he wanted to sign, he would. Hasselbeck says, it's May twenty seventh, son, I don't. My take's always been if he goes to Pittsburgh, I think they win one more game than they are now. I mean, I think that's what he's become, an old pocket quarterback who looked cold in outdoor, windy cold games. He looked old and cold is what he looked like. All right. Live in Chicago, It's The Herd.

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Tonight, OKAC can be a little shaky on the road against Minnesota. Chris Bruceard will join us next hour. Here's j Mack with the.

Tonight, OKAC can be a little shaky on the road against Minnesota. Chris Bruceard will join us next hour. Here's j Mack with the.

News, No news, this is the herdline.

News, No news, this is the herdline.

News boy, Colin, you seized it.

News boy, Colin, you seized it.

Earlier in the hour, we got some bummer news about Caitlin Clarks is going to be out at.

Earlier in the hour, we got some bummer news about Caitlin Clarks is going to be out at.

Least two weeks. According to the Indie NA Fever.

Least two weeks. According to the Indie NA Fever.

They announced their star player has a left quad strain.

They announced their star player has a left quad strain.

Kind of unclear when she.

Kind of unclear when she.

Strained it in the game Saturday, but two weeks I means she's gonna miss some pivotal games the league is gonna be I'm sure the league office right now is just devastated because there's two huge national TV games that she's likely to miss.

Strained it in the game Saturday, but two weeks I means she's gonna miss some pivotal games the league is gonna be I'm sure the league office right now is just devastated because there's two huge national TV games that she's likely to miss.

She's averaging nineteen nine and six.

She's averaging nineteen nine and six.

The Fever are only two and two column but both losses are by a combined three points. I don't care what anybody says. They're a title contender in this league. And she's expected to miss two games against Washington, nobody really cares about that.

The Fever are only two and two column but both losses are by a combined three points. I don't care what anybody says. They're a title contender in this league. And she's expected to miss two games against Washington, nobody really cares about that.

But there's a game against Chicago and Angel rees on CBS.

But there's a game against Chicago and Angel rees on CBS.

I believe it's in two weeks that she's expected to miss and if hopefully she's back for a game against New York another national TV game on.

I believe it's in two weeks that she's expected to miss and if hopefully she's back for a game against New York another national TV game on.

Well, so we have no video of when she actually got hurt.

Well, so we have no video of when she actually got hurt.

No, because she played to the end of the game and I don't know if maybe it was reac it was.

No, because she played to the end of the game and I don't know if maybe it was reac it was.

Just like injured during the game. She played through it. But two weeks out.

Just like injured during the game. She played through it. But two weeks out.

That listen, man, that's a bummer. There's no way to slice it.

That listen, man, that's a bummer. There's no way to slice it.

I have such a conspiracy for theory on this, but I'm not gonna.

I have such a conspiracy for theory on this, but I'm not gonna.

Tell no float it come up. What he's saving about?

Tell no float it come up. What he's saving about?

Oh?

Oh?

But come on, because of because of all the combustibility of the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark rivalry and the league trying to bring the temperature down, they know they can't do this just for the Chicago game, so they said, let's cool it down. Let's have her. Let's have Indiana League saying let's let's bring the temperature down a little bit, have her miss a couple of games pre Chicago. Of course this is not true, because you couldn't go to a team and say please, don't play your superstar boy. But I I my first thought that that the tinfoil had I quickly pulled it off. I do not believe this is true, but I get I do get to at least acknowledge that it entered the brainosphere, like for one second, and then I quickly grabbed a tinfoil and I threw it all So people think you're we don't have a fun video of it, and she missed. She's gonna be there's three games when she plays the whole gamer's no video.

But come on, because of because of all the combustibility of the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark rivalry and the league trying to bring the temperature down, they know they can't do this just for the Chicago game, so they said, let's cool it down. Let's have her. Let's have Indiana League saying let's let's bring the temperature down a little bit, have her miss a couple of games pre Chicago. Of course this is not true, because you couldn't go to a team and say please, don't play your superstar boy. But I I my first thought that that the tinfoil had I quickly pulled it off. I do not believe this is true, but I get I do get to at least acknowledge that it entered the brainosphere, like for one second, and then I quickly grabbed a tinfoil and I threw it all So people think you're we don't have a fun video of it, and she missed. She's gonna be there's three games when she plays the whole gamer's no video.

Probably more looping, but it's weird.

Probably more looping, but it's weird.

People call you a silver fox, but it's not really silver hat that you're wearing. They just need to look closer. But that's not a terrible theory. And you're right, the temperature is elevated.

People call you a silver fox, but it's not really silver hat that you're wearing. They just need to look closer. But that's not a terrible theory. And you're right, the temperature is elevated.

Boy.

Boy.

I was telling Martin here, they're coming after angel rees like the internet is just out on her. It feels a little aggressive at this point, but we'll save that for another day. Next up, Colin A, it's a Monday, we got to talk about Aaron Rodgers again. He seems delusional right now thinking that he's gonna wait out the Vikings.

I was telling Martin here, they're coming after angel rees like the internet is just out on her. It feels a little aggressive at this point, but we'll save that for another day. Next up, Colin A, it's a Monday, we got to talk about Aaron Rodgers again. He seems delusional right now thinking that he's gonna wait out the Vikings.

Here's why.

Here's why.

Vikings owner Mark Wilf won on a radio show talking about second year quarterback JJ McCarthy's leadership.

Vikings owner Mark Wilf won on a radio show talking about second year quarterback JJ McCarthy's leadership.

Take a listener.

Take a listener.

He has a gravitational pull as a leader, he really does. I think the way the players support him, I think it's.

He has a gravitational pull as a leader, he really does. I think the way the players support him, I think it's.

Of course, the talents is there.

Of course, the talents is there.

Coach O'Connell is glowing in his praises of how he's handled everything today, and from an off the field perspective, we couldn't be happier. So all things pointing the right direction, and we're going to be supporting jjada having to be the success we want him to be.

Coach O'Connell is glowing in his praises of how he's handled everything today, and from an off the field perspective, we couldn't be happier. So all things pointing the right direction, and we're going to be supporting jjada having to be the success we want him to be.

Yeah, I'm gonna pushback on that. What does that even mean? That sounds amazing. Well, he's got gravitational pull. He's never played an NFL game, he doesn't have any poll. You gonna win games, by the way, you gotta win games in this league. People are telling me, oh, this this Spencer Rattler for New Orleans. He's owing six. He's never won a game. I don't care how much everybody likes in the room. I don't care about your leadership qualities. Gonna win games in this league, nobody cares. This is not baseball, where it's stats driven, or basketball, where it's sort of like aesthetic driven. If you got style, if you got a game, people love you. NFL is about Double U. Really, I don't believe he's it. He's gravitational poll.

Yeah, I'm gonna pushback on that. What does that even mean? That sounds amazing. Well, he's got gravitational pull. He's never played an NFL game, he doesn't have any poll. You gonna win games, by the way, you gotta win games in this league. People are telling me, oh, this this Spencer Rattler for New Orleans. He's owing six. He's never won a game. I don't care how much everybody likes in the room. I don't care about your leadership qualities. Gonna win games in this league, nobody cares. This is not baseball, where it's stats driven, or basketball, where it's sort of like aesthetic driven. If you got style, if you got a game, people love you. NFL is about Double U. Really, I don't believe he's it. He's gravitational poll.

Wait, so you're becoming quarterback wins guy? Is that your summer thing. You're gonna be like, hey, win, Well, I guess Lamar Jackson.

Wait, so you're becoming quarterback wins guy? Is that your summer thing. You're gonna be like, hey, win, Well, I guess Lamar Jackson.

You're out on him.

You're out on him.

Can't win playoff games?

Can't win playoff games?

No, I didn't say that. He wins seventy seven percent of his games. You don't have to win. If Dan Marina had pull his whole career talent plus double US and winning the if you win the division. A lot of guys get paid on quarterbacks that win division. Coaches get paid when they win divisions. You don't have to win rings to get paid in this sleep.

No, I didn't say that. He wins seventy seven percent of his games. You don't have to win. If Dan Marina had pull his whole career talent plus double US and winning the if you win the division. A lot of guys get paid on quarterbacks that win division. Coaches get paid when they win divisions. You don't have to win rings to get paid in this sleep.

I gotta give Will props for gravitational pull.

I gotta give Will props for gravitational pull.

That's a Star Wars reference, obviously, the Death Star, and I'm a huge Star Wars guy. I'm watching and or right now, Colin, Hey, that's another show you got to get into. And or I know you're in the Star Wars Spear moment. You like that stuff, right?

That's a Star Wars reference, obviously, the Death Star, and I'm a huge Star Wars guy. I'm watching and or right now, Colin, Hey, that's another show you got to get into. And or I know you're in the Star Wars Spear moment. You like that stuff, right?

No, don't.

No, don't.

By the way, were you ad mission impossible this weekend or no, I'm saying I'm gonna.

By the way, were you ad mission impossible this weekend or no, I'm saying I'm gonna.

I'm gonna see it when I get back from bak. I'm busy.

I'm gonna see it when I get back from bak. I'm busy.

Okay, you're busy.

Okay, you're busy.

I'm busy.

I'm busy.

Find a final story. This is in your wheelhouse. I'll stand down once again now.

Find a final story. This is in your wheelhouse. I'll stand down once again now.

Bill Belichick's girlfriend Jordan Hudson was seen at an airport in North Carolina with reportedly a ring on her left ring finger.

Bill Belichick's girlfriend Jordan Hudson was seen at an airport in North Carolina with reportedly a ring on her left ring finger.

This comes on the heels.

This comes on the heels.

What looks like a nice getaway on the water over the weekend. Oh dear, Jordan posted old Bay with my old Bay.

What looks like a nice getaway on the water over the weekend. Oh dear, Jordan posted old Bay with my old Bay.

On her ig. I am gonna just zip it a lot of time out in my pocket. Take it away, big boy.

On her ig. I am gonna just zip it a lot of time out in my pocket. Take it away, big boy.

Oh my god, old Bay with my old Bay that.

Oh my god, old Bay with my old Bay that.

I did not call for this just for the reson. This is producers damn this one because they know you love it. I'm out on this story. Calin. It's dangerous, and I don't.

I did not call for this just for the reson. This is producers damn this one because they know you love it. I'm out on this story. Calin. It's dangerous, and I don't.

I don't think it's that dangerous. I think it's okay for people to be attracted to one another for various reasons. Not everybody it looks like, you know, a supermodel. You can be attracted to people for a lot of reasons. A woman could be attracted to a man who's got his act together and is respectful and is thoughtful as a good listener, and a woman could a man could be attracted to somebody visually attracted and sense of humor. The age thing is what attracts people is nobody can decipher it.

I don't think it's that dangerous. I think it's okay for people to be attracted to one another for various reasons. Not everybody it looks like, you know, a supermodel. You can be attracted to people for a lot of reasons. A woman could be attracted to a man who's got his act together and is respectful and is thoughtful as a good listener, and a woman could a man could be attracted to somebody visually attracted and sense of humor. The age thing is what attracts people is nobody can decipher it.

Wait, so the aide thing, it's not I mean, I mean, I do see a lot of seventy three year old women with twenty four year old guys.

Wait, so the aide thing, it's not I mean, I mean, I do see a lot of seventy three year old women with twenty four year old guys.

That happens a lot very often.

That happens a lot very often.

Right, So I'm just gonna, you know, look up all those on the internet.

Right, So I'm just gonna, you know, look up all those on the internet.

I think there's zero in the last like thousand years. But you know, I digress. There's nothing to see here. It's summer love, as they say.

I think there's zero in the last like thousand years. But you know, I digress. There's nothing to see here. It's summer love, as they say.

Right, Yeah, I just I'm not going to get into the game of trying to say why she's attracted to Belichick. Bill's not a Battlican guy, he's very successful. Whatever, that's not my space, Like, whatever, why does Anne think I'm attractable? That one's obvious, but for most people it's not as obvious. So it's a holiday. Let's let's wrap our arms around young love.

Right, Yeah, I just I'm not going to get into the game of trying to say why she's attracted to Belichick. Bill's not a Battlican guy, he's very successful. Whatever, that's not my space, Like, whatever, why does Anne think I'm attractable? That one's obvious, but for most people it's not as obvious. So it's a holiday. Let's let's wrap our arms around young love.

By the way, I know you like to think you're a man of the people, but I'm actually out and about with the regular people. And this is the second most popular question I get in the last couple of weeks.

By the way, I know you like to think you're a man of the people, but I'm actually out and about with the regular people. And this is the second most popular question I get in the last couple of weeks.

What do you make of this Belichick twenty four year old things?

What do you make of this Belichick twenty four year old things?

Oh, I know, people they're into it, they're.

Oh, I know, people they're into it, they're.

Obsessed with and you know, it's all guys asking I wonder why that is coming.

Obsessed with and you know, it's all guys asking I wonder why that is coming.

Well, I think it's I think it's gonna last forever. It's gonna be like meet the Press of relationships. It's gonna be it's gonna last forever. Gun smoke. J Mack with the news.

Well, I think it's I think it's gonna last forever. It's gonna be like meet the Press of relationships. It's gonna be it's gonna last forever. Gun smoke. J Mack with the news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

Yeah, it's it's you know, it's sports is a crazy I you know, the funny thing about sports. And I've said this for years. This has always been like my default line. I'm not a moralist. I'm not a moral There are so many moralists on the radio that do talk radio, and you can go find those people. I'm not a moralist. People do what they do. There's open relationships, there are power dynamics that are odd in relationships. You do you what you're attracted do is none of my business and so if it works, go for it now. There aren't a lot of seventy four year old women attracted to twenty six year old men. That is true, but again, the genders are different, you know, we do different things, we see the world differently. It's The Herd.

Yeah, it's it's you know, it's sports is a crazy I you know, the funny thing about sports. And I've said this for years. This has always been like my default line. I'm not a moralist. I'm not a moral There are so many moralists on the radio that do talk radio, and you can go find those people. I'm not a moralist. People do what they do. There's open relationships, there are power dynamics that are odd in relationships. You do you what you're attracted do is none of my business and so if it works, go for it now. There aren't a lot of seventy four year old women attracted to twenty six year old men. That is true, but again, the genders are different, you know, we do different things, we see the world differently. It's The Herd.

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Horse racing's greatest test of speed and stamina returns as the one and fifty seven Belmont Stakes sets the stage for one final all out battle June seventh, live on Fox.

Horse racing's greatest test of speed and stamina returns as the one and fifty seven Belmont Stakes sets the stage for one final all out battle June seventh, live on Fox.

So I saw a clip this morning. Rich Paul was on Rich Eisen Show talking about there's a lot of rumors that Lebron's moving all the cards for the Lakers. He pulled the JJ Reddick card, and he knew about the Luca move. Although you know a d some have speculated thinks Lebron knew about the Luca move. Before the Luca move, there's the Westbrook trade, which Rich Paul has said Lebron had no idea about that. But here's Rich Paul on Lebron's current influence with the Lakers.

So I saw a clip this morning. Rich Paul was on Rich Eisen Show talking about there's a lot of rumors that Lebron's moving all the cards for the Lakers. He pulled the JJ Reddick card, and he knew about the Luca move. Although you know a d some have speculated thinks Lebron knew about the Luca move. Before the Luca move, there's the Westbrook trade, which Rich Paul has said Lebron had no idea about that. But here's Rich Paul on Lebron's current influence with the Lakers.

Clearly, he don't run the team because there's things that transpired that he didn't even.

Clearly, he don't run the team because there's things that transpired that he didn't even.

Know about, so like the Luca Traders. But you're saying, yeah, so how is he?

Know about, so like the Luca Traders. But you're saying, yeah, so how is he?

How is he?

How is he?

How is he running the team? There's one thing to have power and influence. And there are guys who earn the right for some decisions to be you know, rampast you or or so for some teams to to say, hey.

How is he running the team? There's one thing to have power and influence. And there are guys who earn the right for some decisions to be you know, rampast you or or so for some teams to to say, hey.

What do you think about this?

What do you think about this?

Or yeah that's earn.

Or yeah that's earn.

Yeah, I think that's true. I have a very strong belief owner should own GM, soir GM co you should coach, players should play. Now, there are occasional players who have a good sense of personnel, but athletes, an athlete's prism is selfish. To be an athlete, you have to be selfish. You give up stuff, right, and the athlete's prism is what's good for me and what's good today. And a general manager obviously has to have a more comprehensive view. That's why, even as smart as as Lebron is in terms of basketball, every team Lebron leaves is a shipwreck. Why, because you build the team for the moment and the minute he leaves, you don't have any depth, you don't have draft picks. So it's all about winning now in his prime. I'm for that. I remember in Miami, I think there was a basketball player I forget it was a Yukon player or something. There was some guard that Lebron liked, that had a really good Final four or a really good tournament, and Lebron reportedly liked him, and he didn't do anything in the NBA. This is like the minute owners start medling Jerry Jones, it goes sideways. The minute gms start putting pressure on their coach or their quarterback, it goes sideways. One of the reasons Green Bay has worked for all these years in the NFL is that Murphy runs the operations. Gooden coach running personnel. Their coach is an offensive guy runs the team, and you get into problems when passive aggressive Brett or passive aggressive Erran want to be like a little bit of coach and personnel got That's when the problems happened. Early Far didn't Early Errand anytime Green Bay has struggled, it has been a quarterback that wants to usurp certain power dynamics, and I just don't think it works. You know, you can go and be you know, conciliatory. Hey, listen, what do you think? Listen the way we really care about your opinion. But I think I don't give you an example. Belichick's brilliant coach the minute Belichick took over personnel. The last seven drafts in New England were awful. I've said this. I had a phone call was driving home two days ago. I had a phone call with a GM in the NFL, and I said, the San Francisco forty nine Ers draft has Kyle Shanahan's fingerprints all over it, and this GM agreed. I said, I loved their first pick, and then it looked like a bunch of picks that could help Kyle Shanahan. Now. That was not a John Lynch draft. That Kyle has too much power. I felt Denver this year was Sean Payton. I didn't love Denver's draft. I thought there were a couple of reaches that felt like this will help Sean now, and I love Sean. I think the best draft was Seattle. Why because McDonald has no power, Therefore it was a John Snyder draft. The coach doesn't have any power yet and it was a strict by the way, what other coach doesn't have power? Todd Bowles Tampa look at their last couple of drafts really strong. So I it's not one of these shut up and dribble things like I think you should Lebron in his prime or Brading his prime? What do you make of this guy? But I think it's better to ask Lebron in his prime? What do you think of this current teammate? Not how do you project this kid from Kansas who's an off guard? How does he know he's watching the NBA? But I do think you can go to a Lebron or a Mahomes and say, hey man, how is this guy in the room? Do you trust him on routes? Is he a worker? Do the guy is like him? I think that's when you go to a star. How does this guy plan in the room? Tell me if you know. And that's why most great coaches in every sport will have like a council, like a player's council. Players have player only meetings. That's the value of the star. Give me the temperature of the room, keep it private who's not working. But I think asking a pro athlete to project hell, that's hard enough for general managers to project who's going to be in the pros. You don't have any idea now, Rich Paul did say and Lebron in his prime, you know, when his ceiling was unlimited, it's it's different. But right now Lebron is a lease, not a buye. He's a lead. He's not even a lease to own. He's just a lease. It is very hard to plan your future around a player that doesn't know his future. So there's there's I think you Lebron's is squeezing every last ounce out of his career. But at this point I'm not I'm not terribly interested in like his plans going forward. You want to make sure when he bolts, when he jettisen's the team and that could be, you know, after this year. He's more in the plan with his son's mode. He's more in the business mode, which I'm here for. He's earned it, but I'm not asking him for big opinions on personnel. Earlier today, I said, I think it was Bleacher report came out and they listed a player on every team that is the most dangerous new addition. It could be free agency, it could be the draft. I think it's a coach quarterback league. I think there's four people that will change losses to wins. Cam Ward quarterback for the Titans, Mike vrabel Gino Smith quarterback play was so bad last year. And by the way, if you notice what I'm saying here, all of these people, whether it's cam Ward, Mike frabel Gino, Smith, Ben Johnson, what do they have in common. They are replacing somebody, either coach or quarterback who is bottom of the league. So competency to slightly above competency will change outcomes in these four players or coaches. Cam Ward, Mike rabel Gino, Smith, Ben Johnson. Bett Hasselbeck joined us earlier. I think you've got to put a pretty quick timetable on Caleb Williams. I think generally, if a quarterback has a smart offensive coach, Tua got Mike McDaniel, Goff got Sean McVeigh. You saw it in three weeks. But Hasselbeck's taking a bit more of a practical approach.

Yeah, I think that's true. I have a very strong belief owner should own GM, soir GM co you should coach, players should play. Now, there are occasional players who have a good sense of personnel, but athletes, an athlete's prism is selfish. To be an athlete, you have to be selfish. You give up stuff, right, and the athlete's prism is what's good for me and what's good today. And a general manager obviously has to have a more comprehensive view. That's why, even as smart as as Lebron is in terms of basketball, every team Lebron leaves is a shipwreck. Why, because you build the team for the moment and the minute he leaves, you don't have any depth, you don't have draft picks. So it's all about winning now in his prime. I'm for that. I remember in Miami, I think there was a basketball player I forget it was a Yukon player or something. There was some guard that Lebron liked, that had a really good Final four or a really good tournament, and Lebron reportedly liked him, and he didn't do anything in the NBA. This is like the minute owners start medling Jerry Jones, it goes sideways. The minute gms start putting pressure on their coach or their quarterback, it goes sideways. One of the reasons Green Bay has worked for all these years in the NFL is that Murphy runs the operations. Gooden coach running personnel. Their coach is an offensive guy runs the team, and you get into problems when passive aggressive Brett or passive aggressive Erran want to be like a little bit of coach and personnel got That's when the problems happened. Early Far didn't Early Errand anytime Green Bay has struggled, it has been a quarterback that wants to usurp certain power dynamics, and I just don't think it works. You know, you can go and be you know, conciliatory. Hey, listen, what do you think? Listen the way we really care about your opinion. But I think I don't give you an example. Belichick's brilliant coach the minute Belichick took over personnel. The last seven drafts in New England were awful. I've said this. I had a phone call was driving home two days ago. I had a phone call with a GM in the NFL, and I said, the San Francisco forty nine Ers draft has Kyle Shanahan's fingerprints all over it, and this GM agreed. I said, I loved their first pick, and then it looked like a bunch of picks that could help Kyle Shanahan. Now. That was not a John Lynch draft. That Kyle has too much power. I felt Denver this year was Sean Payton. I didn't love Denver's draft. I thought there were a couple of reaches that felt like this will help Sean now, and I love Sean. I think the best draft was Seattle. Why because McDonald has no power, Therefore it was a John Snyder draft. The coach doesn't have any power yet and it was a strict by the way, what other coach doesn't have power? Todd Bowles Tampa look at their last couple of drafts really strong. So I it's not one of these shut up and dribble things like I think you should Lebron in his prime or Brading his prime? What do you make of this guy? But I think it's better to ask Lebron in his prime? What do you think of this current teammate? Not how do you project this kid from Kansas who's an off guard? How does he know he's watching the NBA? But I do think you can go to a Lebron or a Mahomes and say, hey man, how is this guy in the room? Do you trust him on routes? Is he a worker? Do the guy is like him? I think that's when you go to a star. How does this guy plan in the room? Tell me if you know. And that's why most great coaches in every sport will have like a council, like a player's council. Players have player only meetings. That's the value of the star. Give me the temperature of the room, keep it private who's not working. But I think asking a pro athlete to project hell, that's hard enough for general managers to project who's going to be in the pros. You don't have any idea now, Rich Paul did say and Lebron in his prime, you know, when his ceiling was unlimited, it's it's different. But right now Lebron is a lease, not a buye. He's a lead. He's not even a lease to own. He's just a lease. It is very hard to plan your future around a player that doesn't know his future. So there's there's I think you Lebron's is squeezing every last ounce out of his career. But at this point I'm not I'm not terribly interested in like his plans going forward. You want to make sure when he bolts, when he jettisen's the team and that could be, you know, after this year. He's more in the plan with his son's mode. He's more in the business mode, which I'm here for. He's earned it, but I'm not asking him for big opinions on personnel. Earlier today, I said, I think it was Bleacher report came out and they listed a player on every team that is the most dangerous new addition. It could be free agency, it could be the draft. I think it's a coach quarterback league. I think there's four people that will change losses to wins. Cam Ward quarterback for the Titans, Mike vrabel Gino Smith quarterback play was so bad last year. And by the way, if you notice what I'm saying here, all of these people, whether it's cam Ward, Mike frabel Gino, Smith, Ben Johnson, what do they have in common. They are replacing somebody, either coach or quarterback who is bottom of the league. So competency to slightly above competency will change outcomes in these four players or coaches. Cam Ward, Mike rabel Gino, Smith, Ben Johnson. Bett Hasselbeck joined us earlier. I think you've got to put a pretty quick timetable on Caleb Williams. I think generally, if a quarterback has a smart offensive coach, Tua got Mike McDaniel, Goff got Sean McVeigh. You saw it in three weeks. But Hasselbeck's taking a bit more of a practical approach.

Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential. Who realizes his potential. Last year he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who he kind of thought he was before he was drafted.

Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential. Who realizes his potential. Last year he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who he kind of thought he was before he was drafted.

So we do this where we Jmac, you and I make predictions. They're called future bets, and we usually try to be optimistic. We take teams that we think will be noticeably better than they're over under. Last year I took Washington. Denver got it right, year before Rams got it right, year before Vikings got it right. I've said I think New England is my better than people think team. Let's just turn it for a second. If I asked you, okay, give me one team in the league that has fairly lofty projections at least nine wins, because this happens every year there's a tire fire. I mean last year it was the Jets, like everybody projected them eight wins, nine wins. If I said, let's let's let's flip the telescope, give me the team with lofty expectations, you don't buy. This.