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Here we go. It is a Wednesday, and there is actually a lot to talk about.

Here we go. It is a Wednesday, and there is actually a lot to talk about.

It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, So Jmak. We learned again today that the NFL owners run everything. Doesn't matter what committees say, it doesn't matter what the commissioner says, it doesn't matter what coaches say. It is an owner run lead. And we got another exam pull that to day with a toush push.

It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, So Jmak. We learned again today that the NFL owners run everything. Doesn't matter what committees say, it doesn't matter what the commissioner says, it doesn't matter what coaches say. It is an owner run lead. And we got another exam pull that to day with a toush push.

I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with it, right.

I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with it, right.

We're fine with this.

We're fine with this.

I don't love it, but here's the very latest. The NFL's Competition Committee said you should get rid of it. The NFL's Health and Safety Commission Committee said you should get rid of it. And the NFL owners said, eh, we're going to keep it.

I don't love it, but here's the very latest. The NFL's Competition Committee said you should get rid of it. The NFL's Health and Safety Commission Committee said you should get rid of it. And the NFL owners said, eh, we're going to keep it.

It was close.

It was close.

They needed twenty four votes to get rid of it. It was twenty two. I think Jason Kelsey, former Eagle Center podcaster, apparently spoke to owners and that, in my opinion, was the difference. They're not going to ban it for now. Hey, listen, clever coaches are like good accountants. They find loopholes schemes right to benefit their clients, and sometimes the league rules, Nope, we gave it to you for three years, We're not going to give it to you for four. I've always said the NFL, the TV show, and the two things they really care about are entertainment and safety, in no particular order. They care about entertainment and safety, and to me, the Tush push kind of violates both. It looks dangerous and it's ugly. Optics on TV aren't good. It's an ugly play and it almost failed twenty two votes needed twenty four. I think Jason Kelsey speaking on behalf of it, a very respective player who was not you know, some five star recruit. He was a grinder. He's classic NFL family. The Kelseys have been great for the league. He spoke, and I think he tush pushed it into not being banned. I think his ability to create that play and to keep it from being banned. The Eagles have already posted it on social media, the push stays on. I'm a little surprised. I mean, we see this all the time. Remember years ago, Chancellor would jump over the line and block kicks for the Seahawks, and the NFL felt it's a little dangerous. Looking now, there wasn't a ton of data that showed, you know, there was a lot of guys getting hurt. But the NFL didn't like it, and they said, I don't think so.

They needed twenty four votes to get rid of it. It was twenty two. I think Jason Kelsey, former Eagle Center podcaster, apparently spoke to owners and that, in my opinion, was the difference. They're not going to ban it for now. Hey, listen, clever coaches are like good accountants. They find loopholes schemes right to benefit their clients, and sometimes the league rules, Nope, we gave it to you for three years, We're not going to give it to you for four. I've always said the NFL, the TV show, and the two things they really care about are entertainment and safety, in no particular order. They care about entertainment and safety, and to me, the Tush push kind of violates both. It looks dangerous and it's ugly. Optics on TV aren't good. It's an ugly play and it almost failed twenty two votes needed twenty four. I think Jason Kelsey speaking on behalf of it, a very respective player who was not you know, some five star recruit. He was a grinder. He's classic NFL family. The Kelseys have been great for the league. He spoke, and I think he tush pushed it into not being banned. I think his ability to create that play and to keep it from being banned. The Eagles have already posted it on social media, the push stays on. I'm a little surprised. I mean, we see this all the time. Remember years ago, Chancellor would jump over the line and block kicks for the Seahawks, and the NFL felt it's a little dangerous. Looking now, there wasn't a ton of data that showed, you know, there was a lot of guys getting hurt. But the NFL didn't like it, and they said, I don't think so.

The horse collar tackle they got rid of it.

The horse collar tackle they got rid of it.

The kickoffs they look all funky now they think it's too dangerous, But I think what helps the toush push. There is no current data that a bunch of guys are getting hurt with it, although I'm not sure a bunch of guys were getting hurt when Chancellor was jumping over a line to block a kick either, But there's no data that shows that it's hurting people. And the second thing is Jason Kelsey's powerful. He is respected. He made a plea to keep it, and I think it probably flipped one or two owners so the Competition Committee, they and the Health and Say Committee recommended the league ban it. We don't like it, and usually those recommendations get something banned. But in this instance the owners and they control it. They control Goodell's salary, Roger Goodell's trying to get a raise here. They control that, They control the length of the schedule. It's the only sport in America where the owners control the TV networks, not vice versa. They tell them what they will pay, and then they can they can blow those TV contracts up in the middle of them and renegotiate it if they want.

The kickoffs they look all funky now they think it's too dangerous, But I think what helps the toush push. There is no current data that a bunch of guys are getting hurt with it, although I'm not sure a bunch of guys were getting hurt when Chancellor was jumping over a line to block a kick either, But there's no data that shows that it's hurting people. And the second thing is Jason Kelsey's powerful. He is respected. He made a plea to keep it, and I think it probably flipped one or two owners so the Competition Committee, they and the Health and Say Committee recommended the league ban it. We don't like it, and usually those recommendations get something banned. But in this instance the owners and they control it. They control Goodell's salary, Roger Goodell's trying to get a raise here. They control that, They control the length of the schedule. It's the only sport in America where the owners control the TV networks, not vice versa. They tell them what they will pay, and then they can they can blow those TV contracts up in the middle of them and renegotiate it if they want.

The NFL owners are all powerful.

The NFL owners are all powerful.

You got a lot of NBA Baseball owners, NBA owners, MLS owners selling stuff. You own an NFL team, just keep it, just keep it, and so the owners win again. Here's Dion Dawkins, great left tackle for Buffalo. His opinions are like a lot of players' opinions on it.

You got a lot of NBA Baseball owners, NBA owners, MLS owners selling stuff. You own an NFL team, just keep it, just keep it, and so the owners win again. Here's Dion Dawkins, great left tackle for Buffalo. His opinions are like a lot of players' opinions on it.

You don't love it.

You don't love it.

But it's Philadelphia's what do we do with it?

But it's Philadelphia's what do we do with it?

Here's on Dawkins.

Here's on Dawkins.

It's a very hard play for a player. It's a very hard play for a player. You know you're down there, your your head is down. You just have to kind of just drive your legs and hit three people at one time.

It's a very hard play for a player. It's a very hard play for a player. You know you're down there, your your head is down. You just have to kind of just drive your legs and hit three people at one time.

Like it's very.

Like it's very.

Hard thing to do.

Hard thing to do.

But it's so weird because we play a game of inches, right, like what's the best player to get an inch?

But it's so weird because we play a game of inches, right, like what's the best player to get an inch?

The touch push?

The touch push?

What's the best player to get a yard?

What's the best player to get a yard?

Maybe a QB sleek And it's hard to take it out or it's hard to change it because it's so necessary in the game because sometimes you just need to fall forward and get the first down.

Maybe a QB sleek And it's hard to take it out or it's hard to change it because it's so necessary in the game because sometimes you just need to fall forward and get the first down.

And to the Philadelphia Eagles credit, they do it well. I mean, Buffalo got to the AFC Championship and they looked unprepared when they had Superman Josh Allen trying to jump in the air and the lean for a yard. It looked it really looked like they didn't practice it. Philadelphia practices it. They add decoys to it. I thought when Kelsey left it wouldn't be as successful it is. It does look a little dangerous, but so far, I don't think there's any data that shows that it is. And Philadelphia does it better than anybody else. That's their best argument. We created it, we do it better than everybody else. It's available to the entire league. Why are you banning it. As of now it survives, but it was close. And again I think Jason Kelsey highly respected him speaking to owners. Probably push pushed it in Okay, Game one of the Western Conference Finals is in the books, and it feels like the series is in the books. So Oklahoma City rolled through the NBA's regular season historically one by an average of twelve point nine points.

And to the Philadelphia Eagles credit, they do it well. I mean, Buffalo got to the AFC Championship and they looked unprepared when they had Superman Josh Allen trying to jump in the air and the lean for a yard. It looked it really looked like they didn't practice it. Philadelphia practices it. They add decoys to it. I thought when Kelsey left it wouldn't be as successful it is. It does look a little dangerous, but so far, I don't think there's any data that shows that it is. And Philadelphia does it better than anybody else. That's their best argument. We created it, we do it better than everybody else. It's available to the entire league. Why are you banning it. As of now it survives, but it was close. And again I think Jason Kelsey highly respected him speaking to owners. Probably push pushed it in Okay, Game one of the Western Conference Finals is in the books, and it feels like the series is in the books. So Oklahoma City rolled through the NBA's regular season historically one by an average of twelve point nine points.

That like Jordan's Bulls didn't do that.

That like Jordan's Bulls didn't do that.

And then they rolled Memphis in the first round, and then they rolled Minnesota last night. The only team and actually only player to give him real trouble is Jokis Nikola Jokich, the Joker gave him trouble. They even wore him down and Okase, like the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, are not really built on a player. They're built on a general manager. Howie Roseman GM of the Eagles, Sam Presty GM of the Thunder. They have built such insanely deep and flexible rosters you think the coach is good, but is he necessary? They forced the te Wolves to only score from the outside. In fact, Minnesota only had twenty points in the paint. That's their lowest total. And there are big team since twenty fifteen. Julius Randall kept him in the game in the first half, shot the ball well, hit a bunch of threes. Once that dried up, the offense dried up. This is a team that they're not necessarily huge. But you ever watch a football team like you'll watch college football when Alabama was in its prime and the defense was just crushing people, and you're like, do they have thirteen players on the field, Like it looks like they have extra pla. Oklahoma City's defense looks like they're playing seven guys. So Jokic could get his, but Murray didn't get his, Porter couldn't get his. They just shut off lanes and avenues and just think about this. So Oklahoma City against a much better West was thirty nine and thirteen. So they dominated the West. They were twenty nine to one against the East. See you're asking yourself, are the Pacers and the Knicks which starts tonight? Are they just playing for second place? So aunt Edwards didn't have a great night, didn't get a lot of shots.

And then they rolled Memphis in the first round, and then they rolled Minnesota last night. The only team and actually only player to give him real trouble is Jokis Nikola Jokich, the Joker gave him trouble. They even wore him down and Okase, like the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, are not really built on a player. They're built on a general manager. Howie Roseman GM of the Eagles, Sam Presty GM of the Thunder. They have built such insanely deep and flexible rosters you think the coach is good, but is he necessary? They forced the te Wolves to only score from the outside. In fact, Minnesota only had twenty points in the paint. That's their lowest total. And there are big team since twenty fifteen. Julius Randall kept him in the game in the first half, shot the ball well, hit a bunch of threes. Once that dried up, the offense dried up. This is a team that they're not necessarily huge. But you ever watch a football team like you'll watch college football when Alabama was in its prime and the defense was just crushing people, and you're like, do they have thirteen players on the field, Like it looks like they have extra pla. Oklahoma City's defense looks like they're playing seven guys. So Jokic could get his, but Murray didn't get his, Porter couldn't get his. They just shut off lanes and avenues and just think about this. So Oklahoma City against a much better West was thirty nine and thirteen. So they dominated the West. They were twenty nine to one against the East. See you're asking yourself, are the Pacers and the Knicks which starts tonight? Are they just playing for second place? So aunt Edwards didn't have a great night, didn't get a lot of shots.

Sometimes invisible.

Sometimes invisible.

I think he's gonna have to have four or five games where he scores thirty plus, and I'm not sure you can do this. This is just the defense where a lot of these guys are are just entering their athletic prime. Long, twitchy, fast, and Jokich is a great example. They really cut Jokic's passing lanes so the Joker could score, but the passing lane got cut down, and Yokich is a much more totally refined offensive player than Aunt Edwards.

I think he's gonna have to have four or five games where he scores thirty plus, and I'm not sure you can do this. This is just the defense where a lot of these guys are are just entering their athletic prime. Long, twitchy, fast, and Jokich is a great example. They really cut Jokic's passing lanes so the Joker could score, but the passing lane got cut down, and Yokich is a much more totally refined offensive player than Aunt Edwards.

Here's what's scary.

Here's what's scary.

Oklahoma City's average age is twenty five for a team that won sixty eight games by an average winning total of thirteen points. So it's by the second half. Once Julius Randalls threes didn't drop, this looked like a total mismatch. Younger, quicker, better defensively with a lot of levers to pull. Here's Aunt Edwards after.

Oklahoma City's average age is twenty five for a team that won sixty eight games by an average winning total of thirteen points. So it's by the second half. Once Julius Randalls threes didn't drop, this looked like a total mismatch. Younger, quicker, better defensively with a lot of levers to pull. Here's Aunt Edwards after.

I definitely got to shoot boards on ten thirteen shots, but I'll say probably just get off the ball a little more. Play without the ball. I think that'd be the answer, because playing on the ball, he's so double and the sitney gaps all day. They clawed the paint, that's what they do. They don't got massage down there. So Ky bankamers and I make a shots on this because every time I go to the Rams like four people.

I definitely got to shoot boards on ten thirteen shots, but I'll say probably just get off the ball a little more. Play without the ball. I think that'd be the answer, because playing on the ball, he's so double and the sitney gaps all day. They clawed the paint, that's what they do. They don't got massage down there. So Ky bankamers and I make a shots on this because every time I go to the Rams like four people.

At the paint.

At the paint.

So yeah, I guess they just be clogged in the paint. They put like five four bodies in a paint and make you kick it out. So just keep making the right play.

So yeah, I guess they just be clogged in the paint. They put like five four bodies in a paint and make you kick it out. So just keep making the right play.

Now, here's the good news for Minnesota. They'll eventually go to go play at home where they're really good. Chris Finch and his staff have been excellent at shifting around to second and third gears and figuring out ways to get the most out of the offense. But if you watch the second half, they were just overwhelmed. Memphis got overwhelmed, the West got overwhelmed. The East beat him one time in thirty games. Oklahoma City looked really good led by defense. Of course, a SGA is excellent, he gets the whistle. But I think the core of this thing is the depth, the roster, construction, the aggressiveness of the defense. You know, generally in sports, a great defense slows down a great offense. If you were the Bulls and MJ you had both. But this looked like a mismatch last night. In the second half, it looked really really ugly. All right, so jam something else came out this morning. I love this so pff they do this. Every year they come out with a tiers of quarterbacks, and it was interesting.

Now, here's the good news for Minnesota. They'll eventually go to go play at home where they're really good. Chris Finch and his staff have been excellent at shifting around to second and third gears and figuring out ways to get the most out of the offense. But if you watch the second half, they were just overwhelmed. Memphis got overwhelmed, the West got overwhelmed. The East beat him one time in thirty games. Oklahoma City looked really good led by defense. Of course, a SGA is excellent, he gets the whistle. But I think the core of this thing is the depth, the roster, construction, the aggressiveness of the defense. You know, generally in sports, a great defense slows down a great offense. If you were the Bulls and MJ you had both. But this looked like a mismatch last night. In the second half, it looked really really ugly. All right, so jam something else came out this morning. I love this so pff they do this. Every year they come out with a tiers of quarterbacks, and it was interesting.

I've got a lot of thoughts on it.

I've got a lot of thoughts on it.

In my lifetime, there's always been one thing that's true with the quarterback position. And once again with PFF's quarterback rankings, they ranked everybody in the league. I think, once again, this happened since I was a kid. It happened during the Lway years, the Montana years, the Brady years, and now during the Mahomes years. There is something that always is the case and I'll talk about that coming up.

In my lifetime, there's always been one thing that's true with the quarterback position. And once again with PFF's quarterback rankings, they ranked everybody in the league. I think, once again, this happened since I was a kid. It happened during the Lway years, the Montana years, the Brady years, and now during the Mahomes years. There is something that always is the case and I'll talk about that coming up.

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Really interesting thing happening.

Really interesting thing happening.

I'm going to get to it about fifteen minutes with college basketball. College basketball is getting some really good news. I'm gonna talk about that in fifteen minutes. Chris Simms will be around the corner as well. If you have not heard, it was a very close voice, very close vote. The Tush push by a couple of votes has survived again Philadelphia. They created it. Their argument is it's not a loophole, it's just the quarterback sneak modified amplified, and the owners did not take the recommendation of the Rules Committee or the Health and Safety Committee. They both said Bannett, the NFL Owners close vote, said now we're going to keep it. We'll vote in it again next year. So this is interesting. PFF.

I'm going to get to it about fifteen minutes with college basketball. College basketball is getting some really good news. I'm gonna talk about that in fifteen minutes. Chris Simms will be around the corner as well. If you have not heard, it was a very close voice, very close vote. The Tush push by a couple of votes has survived again Philadelphia. They created it. Their argument is it's not a loophole, it's just the quarterback sneak modified amplified, and the owners did not take the recommendation of the Rules Committee or the Health and Safety Committee. They both said Bannett, the NFL Owners close vote, said now we're going to keep it. We'll vote in it again next year. So this is interesting. PFF.

They do this every year.

They do this every year.

They take every starting quarterback in the NFL, all thirty two ahead of the season, and they ranked them. They put them in tiers tier one, two, three and four, five and six. I don't care about the middle bottom ones. So their Tier one, which I totally agree with, is Mahomes, Jackson, Josh Allen, and Burrow.

They take every starting quarterback in the NFL, all thirty two ahead of the season, and they ranked them. They put them in tiers tier one, two, three and four, five and six. I don't care about the middle bottom ones. So their Tier one, which I totally agree with, is Mahomes, Jackson, Josh Allen, and Burrow.

I have no problem. That's what I would do.

I have no problem. That's what I would do.

They're Tier two. I don't disagree with that, Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniel, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert. They're Tier three, which is Jared Goff, Gino Smith, and brock Perty.

They're Tier two. I don't disagree with that, Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniel, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert. They're Tier three, which is Jared Goff, Gino Smith, and brock Perty.

I think C. J.

I think C. J.

Stroud is more talented than all those guys, although I think it's close. I do think it's interesting. Sam Darnolds in Tier five and in Tier three is Tua and Trevor Lawrence. I disagree with that, but again, in my entire life, I've always had this thing we've talked about.

Stroud is more talented than all those guys, although I think it's close. I do think it's interesting. Sam Darnolds in Tier five and in Tier three is Tua and Trevor Lawrence. I disagree with that, but again, in my entire life, I've always had this thing we've talked about.

There's always about seven.

There's always about seven.

Quarterbacks maybe eight, at any one time in the NFL, in any era that you just don't pick up the phone. Somebody calls with Elway, you're not picking up the phone. If you go back to Elway in his prime, there were seven or eight guys, You're not picking.

Quarterbacks maybe eight, at any one time in the NFL, in any era that you just don't pick up the phone. Somebody calls with Elway, you're not picking up the phone. If you go back to Elway in his prime, there were seven or eight guys, You're not picking.

Up the phone.

Up the phone.

John Elway, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, and Warren Moon. They were just really, really good players. There's no reason to get on the phone and initiate conversation like those are the seven guys. If you go to Brady's era, it was Brady and Breeze and Peyton Manning and Big Ben. I'd say Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers and maybe Philip Rivers.

John Elway, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, and Warren Moon. They were just really, really good players. There's no reason to get on the phone and initiate conversation like those are the seven guys. If you go to Brady's era, it was Brady and Breeze and Peyton Manning and Big Ben. I'd say Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers and maybe Philip Rivers.

Their gms loved them.

Their gms loved them.

They won a lot of games, and they were highly productive, and you got him every week. I think right now PFF got the eight right now.

They won a lot of games, and they were highly productive, and you got him every week. I think right now PFF got the eight right now.

I CJ. Stroud is the one.

I CJ. Stroud is the one.

To me. I think he either has to be the number one, tier two quarterback or he's darn close.

To me. I think he either has to be the number one, tier two quarterback or he's darn close.

I think he's really good. He did pull.

I think he's really good. He did pull.

Back last year, but his offensive line was atrocious. He lost two of his three best receivers and he still got into the playoffs and won a playoff game. So other than that, I've always felt it's about seven or eight guys at any one time in the NFL that are somebody calls about him, you're not really interested. I don't think Houston would take a call on CJ.

Back last year, but his offensive line was atrocious. He lost two of his three best receivers and he still got into the playoffs and won a playoff game. So other than that, I've always felt it's about seven or eight guys at any one time in the NFL that are somebody calls about him, you're not really interested. I don't think Houston would take a call on CJ.

Stroud.

Stroud.

I think he is a Tier two guy, maybe barely, maybe the first guy out. We could argue that it doesn't really matter because historically the guy's in Tier one and occasionally Tier or two win all the Super Bowls. So I think PFF got it right. And UH don't don't have a problem with any of the greats. I think clearly in the league. Now mahomes, Lamar, Josh and Burrell have separated. I don't think there's any question that's the first group. J. Mickle the news, Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.

I think he is a Tier two guy, maybe barely, maybe the first guy out. We could argue that it doesn't really matter because historically the guy's in Tier one and occasionally Tier or two win all the Super Bowls. So I think PFF got it right. And UH don't don't have a problem with any of the greats. I think clearly in the league. Now mahomes, Lamar, Josh and Burrell have separated. I don't think there's any question that's the first group. J. Mickle the news, Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.

All right, call a big, big game tonight in the Eastern Conference Pacers Mixed Game one.

All right, call a big, big game tonight in the Eastern Conference Pacers Mixed Game one.

I know you're excited. Obviously.

I know you're excited. Obviously.

Back in the nineties, this was a phenomenal UH series back and forth memories of Reggie Miller's Spike Lee, Patrick Ewings Finger.

Back in the nineties, this was a phenomenal UH series back and forth memories of Reggie Miller's Spike Lee, Patrick Ewings Finger.

Roll a lot of stuff. Well, tonight we get Jalen Brunson versus Tyree's Halliburton.

Roll a lot of stuff. Well, tonight we get Jalen Brunson versus Tyree's Halliburton.

Runson is praising Halliburton, who's become a star.

Runson is praising Halliburton, who's become a star.

He's done a lot, He's quieted a lot of people. He's obviously their engine, and they go as he goes, and he does a lot for their team.

He's done a lot, He's quieted a lot of people. He's obviously their engine, and they go as he goes, and he does a lot for their team.

So it's gonna be tough cask, But.

So it's gonna be tough cask, But.

I think as a team, he's got to sit together and do what we do in control we can control, but uh iby obviously for success. But this is, like I said, this is new John Truss.

I think as a team, he's got to sit together and do what we do in control we can control, but uh iby obviously for success. But this is, like I said, this is new John Truss.

Yeah, that Pacers team in the nineties that went at the Knicks a lot. They had Reggie Miller, who was kind of hated a villain. I don't think that Halliburton's a villain. Yet he's giving signs that he could be right, you know, taking bows and getting into it with Giannis and some other players.

Yeah, that Pacers team in the nineties that went at the Knicks a lot. They had Reggie Miller, who was kind of hated a villain. I don't think that Halliburton's a villain. Yet he's giving signs that he could be right, you know, taking bows and getting into it with Giannis and some other players.

I don't.

I don't.

I just feel like this isn't going to be a good series.

I just feel like this isn't going to be a good series.

There isn't like a genuine hate from Knicks Pacers.

There isn't like a genuine hate from Knicks Pacers.

No. And I think what the most interesting part of the series is that the Pacers the last three years have the fastest pace in the league. Yeah, And Tibbs and the Knicks have the slowest pace in the league, so whoever gets to play at their pace wins the series. And Indiana has done a great job to force Cleveland and Milwaukee to play their style. Can they force the Knick to play faster than the Knicks want to? Tibbs's whole style half court? I mean, Knicks have been great shot making in the fourth quarter. They're a great half court team. They're the opposite of the Houston Rockets, who are atrocious in the half court but good in transition. Well, when you get to the playoffs, it's very rare that you're allowed to just be a you know, OKC in Indiana. They're up and down, up and down the floor. That's not usually the case. Usually the better teams can slow it down, get the ball to their big or their stars. They want to play half court basketball, that's what you want to do if you're the Knicks against Indiana. Not that Indiana is a bad half court team, but that's really the nixt strength and Indiana does not allow you to do that.

No. And I think what the most interesting part of the series is that the Pacers the last three years have the fastest pace in the league. Yeah, And Tibbs and the Knicks have the slowest pace in the league, so whoever gets to play at their pace wins the series. And Indiana has done a great job to force Cleveland and Milwaukee to play their style. Can they force the Knick to play faster than the Knicks want to? Tibbs's whole style half court? I mean, Knicks have been great shot making in the fourth quarter. They're a great half court team. They're the opposite of the Houston Rockets, who are atrocious in the half court but good in transition. Well, when you get to the playoffs, it's very rare that you're allowed to just be a you know, OKC in Indiana. They're up and down, up and down the floor. That's not usually the case. Usually the better teams can slow it down, get the ball to their big or their stars. They want to play half court basketball, that's what you want to do if you're the Knicks against Indiana. Not that Indiana is a bad half court team, but that's really the nixt strength and Indiana does not allow you to do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I do like how the Knicks have multiple guys who are long defenders to throw at Halliburton Bridges was not there last year. He is excellent, one of the premier different wing defenders in the league.

I do like how the Knicks have multiple guys who are long defenders to throw at Halliburton Bridges was not there last year. He is excellent, one of the premier different wing defenders in the league.

I think we'll see some.

I think we'll see some.

Ananobi on Halliburton. I don't think we'll see Brunson on him. You know, people want to attack Brunson. He did foul out of that game in bust and I believe it was Game four. But overall, I think the Nicks had the series. They're a favored by four to four and a half to.

Ananobi on Halliburton. I don't think we'll see Brunson on him. You know, people want to attack Brunson. He did foul out of that game in bust and I believe it was Game four. But overall, I think the Nicks had the series. They're a favored by four to four and a half to.

Night who you got, I would take Indiana in the points. I think it's going to be a great series.

Night who you got, I would take Indiana in the points. I think it's going to be a great series.

I think the dog last night it did not quite work out our way.

I think the dog last night it did not quite work out our way.

Well, it was a good first half, but I mean I said, you know, there's something to be said about styles make fights like sometimes you have to watch. I thought we knew what Boston was against New York, and then the NFL swallowed the whistles and the series changed and the games changed. So like last night, Minnesota Oklahoma City. My take was by the second half, Minnesota is going to have to really really pull some levers because they're at a major disadvantage. I mean, Oklahoma City's defense is going to give Ant trouble. Ant is not a refined offensive player. He can shoot threes and he's dynamic, but he doesn't have the layers to his game like Sga or Jokic.

Well, it was a good first half, but I mean I said, you know, there's something to be said about styles make fights like sometimes you have to watch. I thought we knew what Boston was against New York, and then the NFL swallowed the whistles and the series changed and the games changed. So like last night, Minnesota Oklahoma City. My take was by the second half, Minnesota is going to have to really really pull some levers because they're at a major disadvantage. I mean, Oklahoma City's defense is going to give Ant trouble. Ant is not a refined offensive player. He can shoot threes and he's dynamic, but he doesn't have the layers to his game like Sga or Jokic.

He doesn't.

He doesn't.

And so the bottom line is OKC has not struggled with anybody except Jokic, and even the Jolkic. They cut down his passing lane so we couldn't get it to Murray. So like An's gonna have to do stuff vertically horizontally o case he just shuts down passing lanes.

And so the bottom line is OKC has not struggled with anybody except Jokic, and even the Jolkic. They cut down his passing lane so we couldn't get it to Murray. So like An's gonna have to do stuff vertically horizontally o case he just shuts down passing lanes.

Well, they hit so many threes early last night, They're like, oh, we'll just keep taking threes, and they took fifty one, which was insane. I don't see the Knicks for Pacers falling into that track. I like the Knick Tonight to cover and set the tone for this series.

Well, they hit so many threes early last night, They're like, oh, we'll just keep taking threes, and they took fifty one, which was insane. I don't see the Knicks for Pacers falling into that track. I like the Knick Tonight to cover and set the tone for this series.

I'm very excited for it, Colin.

I'm very excited for it, Colin.

Next up is to the NFL, where AJ Brown and the Eagles coming off a Super Bowl win. He made a weird comment in light of the George Pickens signings in Dallas.

Next up is to the NFL, where AJ Brown and the Eagles coming off a Super Bowl win. He made a weird comment in light of the George Pickens signings in Dallas.

Remember last year Philly destroyed Dallas.

Remember last year Philly destroyed Dallas.

By a combined seventy five thirteen.

By a combined seventy five thirteen.

We both don't think Dallas is very good this year.

We both don't think Dallas is very good this year.

But AJ Brown on the Pickens signing is like, whoa, wait a minute, here we go.

But AJ Brown on the Pickens signing is like, whoa, wait a minute, here we go.

We're gonna have to worry about him for sure.

We're gonna have to worry about him for sure.

We're gonna have to worry about him.

We're gonna have to worry about him.

No, I like the trade.

No, I like the trade.

I do like the tray.

I do like the tray.

I like the competition, you know, and I like I like I like Geor Piggins, I like Ceedee Lamb and that cause you know, and it's gonna be. It's gonna be a signed to wise Bro because all that does is bring the best out of us.

I like the competition, you know, and I like I like I like Geor Piggins, I like Ceedee Lamb and that cause you know, and it's gonna be. It's gonna be a signed to wise Bro because all that does is bring the best out of us.

I think wide receivers value wide receivers more than everybody else.

I think wide receivers value wide receivers more than everybody else.

We're worried about the Cowboys at.

We're worried about the Cowboys at.

The Philadelphia is winning super Bowls not because of coaching. They fired Doug Peterson. We don't know if sirianis week. Some of it is because of quarterback play, but overwhelmingly they're lines. Their defensive line shredded Kansas City and their offensive line dominated Kansas City. So, I mean, if you look at Philadelphia, the wide receivers are good, but it's not what the soul of the team is. They're not built around like Cincinnati is built around Burrow and his sideline.

The Philadelphia is winning super Bowls not because of coaching. They fired Doug Peterson. We don't know if sirianis week. Some of it is because of quarterback play, but overwhelmingly they're lines. Their defensive line shredded Kansas City and their offensive line dominated Kansas City. So, I mean, if you look at Philadelphia, the wide receivers are good, but it's not what the soul of the team is. They're not built around like Cincinnati is built around Burrow and his sideline.

Guys, that's not what Philly is.

Guys, that's not what Philly is.

Yeah, how is aj Brown not saying like, well, Actually, the Cowboys offensive line stinks and they're rebuilding it. We're gonna annihilate them in the trenches.

Yeah, how is aj Brown not saying like, well, Actually, the Cowboys offensive line stinks and they're rebuilding it. We're gonna annihilate them in the trenches.

He looks at wide receivers. Just bizarre stuff.

He looks at wide receivers. Just bizarre stuff.

Anyways, final story is WNBA Caitlin Clark. Last night in the Fever. They lost at home the Atlanta Dream. Kind of a tough loss for them, but Clark was very good. Not her fault twenty seven and eleven, Colin, how about this. Clark is now tied with someone named Courtney Vanderslut for the most career games of twenty points and TENNISI is in WNBA history. Vander Slut did it in four hundred and thirty games.

Anyways, final story is WNBA Caitlin Clark. Last night in the Fever. They lost at home the Atlanta Dream. Kind of a tough loss for them, but Clark was very good. Not her fault twenty seven and eleven, Colin, how about this. Clark is now tied with someone named Courtney Vanderslut for the most career games of twenty points and TENNISI is in WNBA history. Vander Slut did it in four hundred and thirty games.

Clark's done it in forty two.

Clark's done it in forty two.

She's setting WNBA records in year two. We know she's setting them off the court with ratings, but Jasey's setting them on.

She's setting WNBA records in year two. We know she's setting them off the court with ratings, but Jasey's setting them on.

The court with stats. That to me is absolutely wonder.

The court with stats. That to me is absolutely wonder.

You can tell when a sport arrives because people start complaining about officiating, and that shows people care. Everybody was complaining about the officiating last night. You have arrived as a league. When we are mad at the Zebras, I'm not gonna losk what you're getting. Yeah, WNBA games Now, people are furious with the officiating. That's the greatest compliment you can give the lead. People care about outcomes, not just Caitlin Clark's merch. They care about the outcomes of game.

You can tell when a sport arrives because people start complaining about officiating, and that shows people care. Everybody was complaining about the officiating last night. You have arrived as a league. When we are mad at the Zebras, I'm not gonna losk what you're getting. Yeah, WNBA games Now, people are furious with the officiating. That's the greatest compliment you can give the lead. People care about outcomes, not just Caitlin Clark's merch. They care about the outcomes of game.

How many officiating controversy do we have in the WNBA the last I don't.

How many officiating controversy do we have in the WNBA the last I don't.

Know, twenty years.

Know, twenty years.

None. None.

None. None.

Last night, Fever and listen, they did kind of good job, a lot of questionable calls on the interior. Clark missed a shot in the last like twenty seconds, it could have gave him the win.

Last night, Fever and listen, they did kind of good job, a lot of questionable calls on the interior. Clark missed a shot in the last like twenty seconds, it could have gave him the win.

But overall, I'm watching Fever games. I tuned in. I'm not gonna lie.

But overall, I'm watching Fever games. I tuned in. I'm not gonna lie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

J McK with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard Line News.

J McK with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard Line News.

Chris Sims played in the NFL for eight years. His Texas Longhorns are going to be playing, arguably against Ohio State and the opener in the biggest college football regular season game in a long time, and Chris is now joining US live NFL analysts.

Chris Sims played in the NFL for eight years. His Texas Longhorns are going to be playing, arguably against Ohio State and the opener in the biggest college football regular season game in a long time, and Chris is now joining US live NFL analysts.

Okay, let's talk Tush push. It's very interesting.

Okay, let's talk Tush push. It's very interesting.

So the the Health and Safety Committee said ban it, the Rules Committee said ban it, and the NFL owner said, yeah, we're going to keep it to me. That tells you, and we've always known this. The owners run the league. Weren't you surprised though they did not listen to the rules can or the healthon Safety Committee.

So the the Health and Safety Committee said ban it, the Rules Committee said ban it, and the NFL owner said, yeah, we're going to keep it to me. That tells you, and we've always known this. The owners run the league. Weren't you surprised though they did not listen to the rules can or the healthon Safety Committee.

I am a little surprised.

I am a little surprised.

I won't lie, I really am, because usually when we get to this point and right you hear all things that some of the powers to be the commissioner, everybody wants it banned. Usually when you get to that point in the NFL, everybody kind of gets the memo and goes, Okay, we gotta do this.

I won't lie, I really am, because usually when we get to this point and right you hear all things that some of the powers to be the commissioner, everybody wants it banned. Usually when you get to that point in the NFL, everybody kind of gets the memo and goes, Okay, we gotta do this.

This is for the best of the game. The commissioner wants that and all that. But there was some pushback here.

This is for the best of the game. The commissioner wants that and all that. But there was some pushback here.

There was and I think there's still a lot of old school people in the NFL. And I know I have friends and I've interviewed Mike Vrabel and Jim John Harbaugh and they all took the side of like, man, it seems a little odd to take the play that the best team in football has been known for the last three years. We're gonna take that away from them because we can't stop it. And then also, I think here's the other aspect of it, too, Colin, Because one, there's no injury data yet on it.

There was and I think there's still a lot of old school people in the NFL. And I know I have friends and I've interviewed Mike Vrabel and Jim John Harbaugh and they all took the side of like, man, it seems a little odd to take the play that the best team in football has been known for the last three years. We're gonna take that away from them because we can't stop it. And then also, I think here's the other aspect of it, too, Colin, Because one, there's no injury data yet on it.

So that's like just.

So that's like just.

It's a bunch of bs made up by the NFL just to help their argument. The other thing in this too is j what is what did the tush really have the push part of it really have to do In a lot of the plays I just watched you do it right there and the highlights we showed on Fox Sports, there's a number of plays where the push from behind does nothing with the actual play. The play itself, if you want to even talk about the danger of it or the beauty of it, is the wedge created by the biggest offensive line we've seen in football since the Cowboys of the nineties.

It's a bunch of bs made up by the NFL just to help their argument. The other thing in this too is j what is what did the tush really have the push part of it really have to do In a lot of the plays I just watched you do it right there and the highlights we showed on Fox Sports, there's a number of plays where the push from behind does nothing with the actual play. The play itself, if you want to even talk about the danger of it or the beauty of it, is the wedge created by the biggest offensive line we've seen in football since the Cowboys of the nineties.

And so it didn't really fix anything.

And so it didn't really fix anything.

And I think some of the old school people in the NFL said, we're going to try to stop it before we ban it.

And I think some of the old school people in the NFL said, we're going to try to stop it before we ban it.

So you know, it's the broad pretty contract is interesting. So I was not a fan of the Dak contract, and I wasn't a fan of the Tua contract, And I think I've been validated.

So you know, it's the broad pretty contract is interesting. So I was not a fan of the Dak contract, and I wasn't a fan of the Tua contract, And I think I've been validated.

I think Pretty is the NFC is the NFC. TA We got.

I think Pretty is the NFC is the NFC. TA We got.

Injuries arms Okay, not great, there have been against playoff teams. Sometimes he looks like he needs a lot of help, either coaching or players. I don't think it's an egregious contract. Okay, it doesn't because if you start really breaking down the numbers, it's not fifty eight million, it's not Dax. But I do think here's the problem, though, Chris and we all love John Lynch. They're missing on too many draft picks, so they have to pay McCaffrey, Kittle, and Warner linebacker, tight end, running back top of the market. Those are usually positions. The Rams don't pay any of those positions, right who won the division? So my take is the combination of missing on a lot of draft picks, also gave up three for Trey Lance and a B quarterback paid closer to an A. I think what it makes San Francisco, like Dallas, is dangerously top heavy.

Injuries arms Okay, not great, there have been against playoff teams. Sometimes he looks like he needs a lot of help, either coaching or players. I don't think it's an egregious contract. Okay, it doesn't because if you start really breaking down the numbers, it's not fifty eight million, it's not Dax. But I do think here's the problem, though, Chris and we all love John Lynch. They're missing on too many draft picks, so they have to pay McCaffrey, Kittle, and Warner linebacker, tight end, running back top of the market. Those are usually positions. The Rams don't pay any of those positions, right who won the division? So my take is the combination of missing on a lot of draft picks, also gave up three for Trey Lance and a B quarterback paid closer to an A. I think what it makes San Francisco, like Dallas, is dangerously top heavy.

And that's my take.

And that's my take.

There'll be a good team, but they're a Crent Williams Knees sprain from being a bad team.

There'll be a good team, but they're a Crent Williams Knees sprain from being a bad team.

No, I hear you there, And I think they're in the process of transitioning away from that, right. I think that's the big thing. That's why Javon Hargrave's not there anymore. That's why they didn't sign Drake Dre greenlaw back. There's been some other guys that they have let go, you know, throughout the years, or Eric Armstead before last year, because I think they realized how top heavy they were. I mean, you were paying Brandon Ayuk like you said, you're paying Deebo Samuel, You're paying Kittle.

No, I hear you there, And I think they're in the process of transitioning away from that, right. I think that's the big thing. That's why Javon Hargrave's not there anymore. That's why they didn't sign Drake Dre greenlaw back. There's been some other guys that they have let go, you know, throughout the years, or Eric Armstead before last year, because I think they realized how top heavy they were. I mean, you were paying Brandon Ayuk like you said, you're paying Deebo Samuel, You're paying Kittle.

Like a top guy.

Like a top guy.

McCaffrey, the top running back, the top left tackle, one of the top d tackles.

McCaffrey, the top running back, the top left tackle, one of the top d tackles.

The top d N, the top middle linebacker. Right.

The top d N, the top middle linebacker. Right.

So yeah, I think they're in the process of, like, look, listening to what you're saying and going, wait, we got to spread the wealth here, we got to build a little more depth on their football team. But yet within that, they're not ready to give.

So yeah, I think they're in the process of, like, look, listening to what you're saying and going, wait, we got to spread the wealth here, we got to build a little more depth on their football team. But yet within that, they're not ready to give.

Up on some of these guys.

Up on some of these guys.

Kittle's still really damn good, right, fred Fred Warner still the best middle linebacker in the game. McCaffrey's good. But also I think within the party contract, I agree with a lot of what you said there.

Kittle's still really damn good, right, fred Fred Warner still the best middle linebacker in the game. McCaffrey's good. But also I think within the party contract, I agree with a lot of what you said there.

Okay, I like Brock Purty a lot.

Okay, I like Brock Purty a lot.

Is he the type of guy though that I look at and go, oh, he can carry the team through injuries or a bad spot. No, I mean we're talking about a guy that just lost eight out of his nast nine games of the season last year was six and eleven as a QB starter, and and of course they didn't go.

Is he the type of guy though that I look at and go, oh, he can carry the team through injuries or a bad spot. No, I mean we're talking about a guy that just lost eight out of his nast nine games of the season last year was six and eleven as a QB starter, and and of course they didn't go.

To the playoffs.

To the playoffs.

It's rare in that fact, just at all, that we're talking about a big contract like this off of that type of year.

It's rare in that fact, just at all, that we're talking about a big contract like this off of that type of year.

So that's a strange in itself. Right. I'm with you in that it's not as egregious as Dak.

So that's a strange in itself. Right. I'm with you in that it's not as egregious as Dak.

I mean, Dak's the highest paid quarterback in football, and I would say Dak is not one of the ten best quarterbacks in football.

I mean, Dak's the highest paid quarterback in football, and I would say Dak is not one of the ten best quarterbacks in football.

So that's egregiously bad.

So that's egregiously bad.

Your point with Tua, you can't be the highest paid guy on your team and then in every big game you're the main question about whether you can perform. Right, That to me is a bad contract. Now, brock Perty doesn't quite get to that category.

Your point with Tua, you can't be the highest paid guy on your team and then in every big game you're the main question about whether you can perform. Right, That to me is a bad contract. Now, brock Perty doesn't quite get to that category.

He doesn't.

He doesn't.

Yes, I think we wonder how much is Shanahan and how great he makes quarterbacks look all the time, and how much is him And that's where he got to prove.

Yes, I think we wonder how much is Shanahan and how great he makes quarterbacks look all the time, and how much is him And that's where he got to prove.

I think you and me wrong.

I think you and me wrong.

In that department, because I think we think it's more Shanahan right now than the other way around.

In that department, because I think we think it's more Shanahan right now than the other way around.

All Right, I like tiers and I like rankings, I'm a sucker for it. PFF annually does their six tiers of quarterbacks. I said about twenty minutes ago, in my lifetime, go to the l Way years, there were about seven quarterbacks that were great. If you go to Brady's years, Aaron Breeze, Peyton, Ben Eli, Tom Seven. I think PFF got it right with their eight best quarterbacks.

All Right, I like tiers and I like rankings, I'm a sucker for it. PFF annually does their six tiers of quarterbacks. I said about twenty minutes ago, in my lifetime, go to the l Way years, there were about seven quarterbacks that were great. If you go to Brady's years, Aaron Breeze, Peyton, Ben Eli, Tom Seven. I think PFF got it right with their eight best quarterbacks.

I think C. J. Stroud is the only quarterback.

I think C. J. Stroud is the only quarterback.

I look at he's Tier three and I thought, okay, he's a little lower than I would put him. Let's put it on the screen for our television audience.

I look at he's Tier three and I thought, okay, he's a little lower than I would put him. Let's put it on the screen for our television audience.

I have I relie sing it.

I have I relie sing it.

Okay, So tier one I think is pretty indisputable. Mahomes Lamar Burrow Allen, do you have a problem with that?

Okay, So tier one I think is pretty indisputable. Mahomes Lamar Burrow Allen, do you have a problem with that?

Not at all.

Not at all.

They're in a stratosphere by themselves right now, They're ball by themselves, special group right there.

They're in a stratosphere by themselves right now, They're ball by themselves, special group right there.

Okay, then it goes Jaden Daniels, I'm comfortable with that. Jalen Hurts, Matt Stafford, and Herbert. That's the one I think I would put CJ. Stroud in. But are you comfortable with's tier two? I'm pretty comfortable with it. I would put C. J.

Okay, then it goes Jaden Daniels, I'm comfortable with that. Jalen Hurts, Matt Stafford, and Herbert. That's the one I think I would put CJ. Stroud in. But are you comfortable with's tier two? I'm pretty comfortable with it. I would put C. J.

Stroud in front of over there in front of Jalen Hurts. That would be mine right there. Okay, I like Jalen Hurts. I would say he's a top ten quarterback. I don't think I would put him in the top eight. I think he'd be nine or ten for me. Again, I think with Jalen Hurts and what I look at too, we have a little bit of a revisionist history here. He won the Super Bowl and everybody just forgot about the ten weeks before that that we were like, wait, the passing game in the quarterback was the issue.

Stroud in front of over there in front of Jalen Hurts. That would be mine right there. Okay, I like Jalen Hurts. I would say he's a top ten quarterback. I don't think I would put him in the top eight. I think he'd be nine or ten for me. Again, I think with Jalen Hurts and what I look at too, we have a little bit of a revisionist history here. He won the Super Bowl and everybody just forgot about the ten weeks before that that we were like, wait, the passing game in the quarterback was the issue.

All right.

All right.

He had a good NFC Championship game, I know that, But Divisional game we were like man, the quarterback in the passing game. Wild Card game, we were like man, the passing game and the quarterback not looking good. The last seven or eight weeks of the year. His top receiver said, what's wrong with the team? The passing game? So how can now you be one of the best quarterbacks in the game. That's what this is what I fight with with Eagles fans all the time. I got a lot of respect, but I think I would have CJ. Stroud in his place on that tier.

He had a good NFC Championship game, I know that, But Divisional game we were like man, the quarterback in the passing game. Wild Card game, we were like man, the passing game and the quarterback not looking good. The last seven or eight weeks of the year. His top receiver said, what's wrong with the team? The passing game? So how can now you be one of the best quarterbacks in the game. That's what this is what I fight with with Eagles fans all the time. I got a lot of respect, but I think I would have CJ. Stroud in his place on that tier.

Yeah, by and large, you and I agree. By the way.

Yeah, by and large, you and I agree. By the way.

I want to throw this at you because you're a Texas Longhorn. I have seen and read stories about arch Manning. I thought last year he was better than quin Ewers, I said. I didn't think Quinn Ewers was was a first three or four round quarterback.

I want to throw this at you because you're a Texas Longhorn. I have seen and read stories about arch Manning. I thought last year he was better than quin Ewers, I said. I didn't think Quinn Ewers was was a first three or four round quarterback.

I didn't.

I didn't.

I thought arch Manning was the better quarterback. I thought he was classy, he was quiet, he was a team guy. Did not transfer. I think that plays very well an owner and NFL GM rooms and he will benefit greatly. There are stories now that he's added weight. I still think he's a bit reckless when he runs, but he does. I think my take was, is he big enough, strong enough? What are you hearing about arch Manning, who now now year ago Quinn Yours was a first round guy? What are you hearing about him?

I thought arch Manning was the better quarterback. I thought he was classy, he was quiet, he was a team guy. Did not transfer. I think that plays very well an owner and NFL GM rooms and he will benefit greatly. There are stories now that he's added weight. I still think he's a bit reckless when he runs, but he does. I think my take was, is he big enough, strong enough? What are you hearing about arch Manning, who now now year ago Quinn Yours was a first round guy? What are you hearing about him?

Yeah, like it's it's awe. They love him. I talk to enough people down there to.

Yeah, like it's it's awe. They love him. I talk to enough people down there to.

Know I knew at the end of the college season last year how excited they were behind the scenes about the possibilities and the potential and what the team will look like with Archer Manning at the helm. You're saying it right. He's a phenomenal athlete. I mean he's more like his granddaddy. And the way he runs because some of that stuff, the arm pops.

Know I knew at the end of the college season last year how excited they were behind the scenes about the possibilities and the potential and what the team will look like with Archer Manning at the helm. You're saying it right. He's a phenomenal athlete. I mean he's more like his granddaddy. And the way he runs because some of that stuff, the arm pops.

I like his motion.

I like his motion.

It's explosive, it's a quick release, like he's got all the trades.

It's explosive, it's a quick release, like he's got all the trades.

To be a superstar. And then of course the team around him's damn good too.

To be a superstar. And then of course the team around him's damn good too.

And college football is going to change the rules about this nil stuff because they know Texas and Notre Dame and Michigan and Ohio State have unlimited pockets, so they're not going to be able to compete, especially with Texas, and they're spending what forty million dollars this year. But here's my other thing. I'll just say with arch I think he's awesome. He's on the trajectory, the number one pick in the draft and all that. I don't know if it happens this year, though. I mean, you know as well as I do the Mannings. They believe in school and prepare themselves and getting the reps in college. And I could see him having a really awesome year this year and staying one more year after that just to get a little more groomed for the NFL.

And college football is going to change the rules about this nil stuff because they know Texas and Notre Dame and Michigan and Ohio State have unlimited pockets, so they're not going to be able to compete, especially with Texas, and they're spending what forty million dollars this year. But here's my other thing. I'll just say with arch I think he's awesome. He's on the trajectory, the number one pick in the draft and all that. I don't know if it happens this year, though. I mean, you know as well as I do the Mannings. They believe in school and prepare themselves and getting the reps in college. And I could see him having a really awesome year this year and staying one more year after that just to get a little more groomed for the NFL.

Yeah. No, I mean Andrew Luck did that as well.

Yeah. No, I mean Andrew Luck did that as well.

Okay, great stuff, Chris Simms NFL analysts, it looked great as whole.

Okay, great stuff, Chris Simms NFL analysts, it looked great as whole.

His buddy, I appreciate it.

His buddy, I appreciate it.

Hey you're the man, Colin. I'll talk to you, buddy. Be good.

Hey you're the man, Colin. I'll talk to you, buddy. Be good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think a lot of times with these NFL quarterbacks in college, you just watch them. If you turn the sound down, you look at it and you go. I remember when I watched CJ.

I think a lot of times with these NFL quarterbacks in college, you just watch them. If you turn the sound down, you look at it and you go. I remember when I watched CJ.

Stroud and I was.

Stroud and I was.

Always like eh, and then I watched them against Georgia and he's running all over the field and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I get it now. I remember Justin Herbert, a lot of people didn't get it. He goes to the Rose Bowl against the best Wisconsin defense in forever. He's running all over the field making linebackers miss. And I had like two gms that were on the field. They were like, oh well, well okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a first round quarterback. So arch Manning, he can run, takes too many hits for my taste, but he's put on some weight.

Always like eh, and then I watched them against Georgia and he's running all over the field and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I get it now. I remember Justin Herbert, a lot of people didn't get it. He goes to the Rose Bowl against the best Wisconsin defense in forever. He's running all over the field making linebackers miss. And I had like two gms that were on the field. They were like, oh well, well okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a first round quarterback. So arch Manning, he can run, takes too many hits for my taste, but he's put on some weight.

When you watch.

When you watch.

Him play, and he hasn't played a lot, I think you will say at some point, turn the sound down, size, arm, movement, accuracy.

Him play, and he hasn't played a lot, I think you will say at some point, turn the sound down, size, arm, movement, accuracy.

That's a first round quarterback coming up.

That's a first round quarterback coming up.

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Next.

This is really a thing.

This is really a thing.

There are some If you love college basketball, and I think this is good for the NBA.

There are some If you love college basketball, and I think this is good for the NBA.

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Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together We're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the iHeartRadio app.

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Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.

Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.

We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last twenty years and still work together.

We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last twenty years and still work together.

I mean that says something, right.

I mean that says something, right.

So check us out.

So check us out.

We like to get you involved too, take your phone calls, chop it up.

We like to get you involved too, take your phone calls, chop it up.

As they say, I'd.

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Knicks.

Knicks.

Pacers have the fastest pace in the NBA the last three years, Knicks have the slowest in the NBA the last two years. To me, that series comes down to which team can force the other to play their style.

Pacers have the fastest pace in the NBA the last three years, Knicks have the slowest in the NBA the last two years. To me, that series comes down to which team can force the other to play their style.

And their pace.

And their pace.

I think Indiana is the better team, but I think the shot making by the Knicks in the fourth quarter against Boston and Detroit it was really, really impressive. These are two point guard led teams. It's my kind of basketball. I always told you I like the magic, the Chris Paul. I like guard play. I got nothing against centers, but I like good pace. I like analytics over analytics. I don't want a parade of three point shots, So I think the Pacers and the Knicks are not reliant on the three point shot. I think they're both capable of winning the championship, or at least winning the East. I'm not sure if anybody can get through the buzzsaw known as Okay, see what we'll find out this is interesting. So Stefan Castle was a great player on that Yukon team two years ago that won the title and blew everybody out. It's one of the best college basketball teams in twenty years. But college basketball's had a weird thing going on for the last twenty five years, which is a lot of the great players at a high school went to the G League, or they went overseas, or if they did go to college, it was one and done. So college basketball has been watered down for about twenty five years. Where the college player of the year a Doug McDermot at Creighton.

I think Indiana is the better team, but I think the shot making by the Knicks in the fourth quarter against Boston and Detroit it was really, really impressive. These are two point guard led teams. It's my kind of basketball. I always told you I like the magic, the Chris Paul. I like guard play. I got nothing against centers, but I like good pace. I like analytics over analytics. I don't want a parade of three point shots, So I think the Pacers and the Knicks are not reliant on the three point shot. I think they're both capable of winning the championship, or at least winning the East. I'm not sure if anybody can get through the buzzsaw known as Okay, see what we'll find out this is interesting. So Stefan Castle was a great player on that Yukon team two years ago that won the title and blew everybody out. It's one of the best college basketball teams in twenty years. But college basketball's had a weird thing going on for the last twenty five years, which is a lot of the great players at a high school went to the G League, or they went overseas, or if they did go to college, it was one and done. So college basketball has been watered down for about twenty five years. Where the college player of the year a Doug McDermot at Creighton.

He's just a bench guy.

He's just a bench guy.

Like you didn't know if a guy, if he was great in college, was he necessarily great When I was growing up, Tim Duncan, growing up, Patrick Ewing, he was great in college, he was going to be a great NBA player. Like if you saw a guy Christian Latner may not have been a great NBA player, but Grant Hill, Bobby Hurley, Larry Johnson, if a guy was dominating in college, he was going to be at least a good NBA player. There were always outliers, but over the last twenty years it could be fools gold. I mean Jim Or for Debt is crushing college basketball, and you're like, he's an overseas player, So this is interesting. Stefan Castle was on that Yukon team a couple of years ago. He got All Rookie Team. Also, Zach Edy did, and there were a lot of questions about Zach Edy. Remember we were here and he can't play in the NBA because I think when a culture changes or a sport changes, it's hard to be on the forefront of it. So Zach Edy makes the All Rookie team and he was a very effective player who's just every the last four years, every time I watched him, he's better college or pro. So I think college basketball is roaring back because of the NIL. The NIL is keeping more good players like Zach Edy in college basketball another year, and it's taking some G League guys.