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Now man tonight tonight. This is crucial for the New York Knicks. Do the Knicks need to win tonight? The answer is yes, We're gonna talk about last night's game in SGA.

Now man tonight tonight. This is crucial for the New York Knicks. Do the Knicks need to win tonight? The answer is yes, We're gonna talk about last night's game in SGA.

But do the Knicks need to win tonight?

But do the Knicks need to win tonight?

Yes?

Yes?

But I'm seeing a lot of people Camino say, can the Nicks shake what happened?

But I'm seeing a lot of people Camino say, can the Nicks shake what happened?

Game one?

Game one?

All right?

All right?

I hope so can they get over it? And you're hoping that's not well, it's gonna be a mental thing. Is I keep saying?

I hope so can they get over it? And you're hoping that's not well, it's gonna be a mental thing. Is I keep saying?

It's not just the loss, it's a it's how they lost, right, I say, it's very Mola Ram Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom.

It's not just the loss, it's a it's how they lost, right, I say, it's very Mola Ram Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom.

Hearts were ripped out. Golly, you're supposed to say.

Hearts were ripped out. Golly, you're supposed to say.

Slam came, you know, in the in the sense of the Pacers and Heliburton ripped the hearts out of the Knicks fans and the next team. And you saw it when Brunson was sitting there shocked, total shocked and bewildered at the press conference, not knowing what just happens. So it's how they lost. And you have to hope that it's not in their head, like subconsciously they're not having imagery of Halliburton doing the chokes sign and and that that ridiculous doink shot going in. Is that the most popular doink? Well there's all time. The clown is some of the best. The Chicago Bear play off floss where it was like doink doink off the upright twice teen Wolf had three doinks making foul shots, and of course I think the most famous it's arguably a quadruple doink when Kawhi Leonard hit his shot. But back to the question at hand, the Knicks have to win. You just hope it's not a mental thing. It's kind of like, you know, not to steal your thunder here pun intended rich thunder, but it's your example of when things go wrong in the bedroom. Yeah, I mean, we're on Colin right now. He's the king of analogies. Oh okay, so give us your best collun stars attract stars. So here's here's the thought. Have you ever been with a woman for the first time and I don't know, maybe one too many old fashions, maybe uh smoked a little bit, maybe you were nervous.

Slam came, you know, in the in the sense of the Pacers and Heliburton ripped the hearts out of the Knicks fans and the next team. And you saw it when Brunson was sitting there shocked, total shocked and bewildered at the press conference, not knowing what just happens. So it's how they lost. And you have to hope that it's not in their head, like subconsciously they're not having imagery of Halliburton doing the chokes sign and and that that ridiculous doink shot going in. Is that the most popular doink? Well there's all time. The clown is some of the best. The Chicago Bear play off floss where it was like doink doink off the upright twice teen Wolf had three doinks making foul shots, and of course I think the most famous it's arguably a quadruple doink when Kawhi Leonard hit his shot. But back to the question at hand, the Knicks have to win. You just hope it's not a mental thing. It's kind of like, you know, not to steal your thunder here pun intended rich thunder, but it's your example of when things go wrong in the bedroom. Yeah, I mean, we're on Colin right now. He's the king of analogies. Oh okay, so give us your best collun stars attract stars. So here's here's the thought. Have you ever been with a woman for the first time and I don't know, maybe one too many old fashions, maybe uh smoked a little bit, maybe you were nervous.

That's usually it.

That's usually it.

And if you follow it up with I'm sorry, this usually doesn't happen. And then when you get with that girl a second time, that first unfortunate fail, oh no, it's happening again. It might stick in your head. So my point is, could the Knicks totally forget that dysfunction in game one and hope that it doesn't happen again?

And if you follow it up with I'm sorry, this usually doesn't happen. And then when you get with that girl a second time, that first unfortunate fail, oh no, it's happening again. It might stick in your head. So my point is, could the Knicks totally forget that dysfunction in game one and hope that it doesn't happen again?

Can they?

Can they?

Fortunately, I've been there one time. You know, you're on the radio saying yeah, I know.

Fortunately, I've been there one time. You know, you're on the radio saying yeah, I know.

But just to really bring your analogy to home, it's that mental thing you have to get past.

But just to really bring your analogy to home, it's that mental thing you have to get past.

It happened to me one time once once in my long career of slaying it. And what happens is if that thought enters your brain again, even just for a second, it's all over you. Oh my god, it's happening again, and you have to take a break and go to the bathroom and give yourself a pep talk. And that began a series of events that lasted like the yips kick in after that, and I had bedroom yips for like four months. Rich, it was a nightmare, sorry to hear.

It happened to me one time once once in my long career of slaying it. And what happens is if that thought enters your brain again, even just for a second, it's all over you. Oh my god, it's happening again, and you have to take a break and go to the bathroom and give yourself a pep talk. And that began a series of events that lasted like the yips kick in after that, and I had bedroom yips for like four months. Rich, it was a nightmare, sorry to hear.

You're hoping, yeah, seriously, So you're hoping that the Knicks honestly play such a big game that the nightmares and thoughts of Haliburton making that ridiculous circus shot don't creep into the back of their minds.

You're hoping, yeah, seriously, So you're hoping that the Knicks honestly play such a big game that the nightmares and thoughts of Haliburton making that ridiculous circus shot don't creep into the back of their minds.

That's really it. It's the way they lost.

That's really it. It's the way they lost.

It's just one game, right, So it would have been even better if they got blown out in that game.

It's just one game, right, So it would have been even better if they got blown out in that game.

They wouldn't have to worry about. It's the fact that they had that game and the Pacers just went on fire.

They wouldn't have to worry about. It's the fact that they had that game and the Pacers just went on fire.

That's the debate in itself. Did the Knicks blow it, did they really choke? Or do you give all credit to the Pacers, which Colin did well. As a fan, right, you will forever second guess these moments and hate them. I'll give you an analogy as a Mets fan in the twenty fifteen World Series, they were winning Game one.

That's the debate in itself. Did the Knicks blow it, did they really choke? Or do you give all credit to the Pacers, which Colin did well. As a fan, right, you will forever second guess these moments and hate them. I'll give you an analogy as a Mets fan in the twenty fifteen World Series, they were winning Game one.

As a Mets fan, you only have a few examples, right, shut up, A few examples that really matter. So are you gonna give us a sixty nine or eighty six. Where are we going? We're going to Gary Carter's perm No.

As a Mets fan, you only have a few examples, right, shut up, A few examples that really matter. So are you gonna give us a sixty nine or eighty six. Where are we going? We're going to Gary Carter's perm No.

In twenty fifteen, when they lost to the Royals in the World Series Game one.

In twenty fifteen, when they lost to the Royals in the World Series Game one.

The Mets had in control. They were in control the whole time, and then uncharacteristically, do you remember the Mets former closer Familia, Yeah, of course he did a quick pitch and if you remember home run extra innings Mets loose, you always second guess, like what was he doing?

The Mets had in control. They were in control the whole time, and then uncharacteristically, do you remember the Mets former closer Familia, Yeah, of course he did a quick pitch and if you remember home run extra innings Mets loose, you always second guess, like what was he doing?

Like we had Game one, you know, and then when this series doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to do for you as a fan, you always go back to, like, oh, we set the tone the wrong way with Game one. The garden was hopping, you know, most of we said it a week ago. This is the most important stuff that's happened at Madison Square Garden in the twenty first century.

Like we had Game one, you know, and then when this series doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to do for you as a fan, you always go back to, like, oh, we set the tone the wrong way with Game one. The garden was hopping, you know, most of we said it a week ago. This is the most important stuff that's happened at Madison Square Garden in the twenty first century.

What's happening there? Billy Joel who I love?

What's happening there? Billy Joel who I love?

Or the circus with the Andrew Dice Clay And I mean you got to ask yourself, Oh, when gun th Gable Williams tame those lions, that was Ringling Brothers frozen on ice, Like what's been at the Garden of significance.

Or the circus with the Andrew Dice Clay And I mean you got to ask yourself, Oh, when gun th Gable Williams tame those lions, that was Ringling Brothers frozen on ice, Like what's been at the Garden of significance.

We're from the East Coast and there wasn't many reasons to be excited about the garden growing up. The circus was in town. That was a big deal.

We're from the East Coast and there wasn't many reasons to be excited about the garden growing up. The circus was in town. That was a big deal.

The Knicks haven't come this far in a long ass time, so you just gotta hope it doesn't get in their head. And they're professionals, yet they're young men and you never know they're human. And the best example of that is your boy, speaking of the Mets, Juan Soto. The dudes in his head. Once you get in your head, no bueno. And now's not the time. So they got to go out there, light it up, hopefully, put the fire rount. Not let the Pacers do what they did again and win this one. There's no what ifs, and they have to they have to win this one. Let me ask the Jay stew producer of The Gottleep Show. Doug will be on standby thinking a few do you think that if they win Game two tonight, all is sort of forgotten? Do we forget everything that happened Game one? If the Nick's just.

The Knicks haven't come this far in a long ass time, so you just gotta hope it doesn't get in their head. And they're professionals, yet they're young men and you never know they're human. And the best example of that is your boy, speaking of the Mets, Juan Soto. The dudes in his head. Once you get in your head, no bueno. And now's not the time. So they got to go out there, light it up, hopefully, put the fire rount. Not let the Pacers do what they did again and win this one. There's no what ifs, and they have to they have to win this one. Let me ask the Jay stew producer of The Gottleep Show. Doug will be on standby thinking a few do you think that if they win Game two tonight, all is sort of forgotten? Do we forget everything that happened Game one? If the Nick's just.

Even it up tonight, No, no, no, the Game one will never be forgot. I think that's gonna go down in sports history. I think it's statistically it's the biggest choke job in the history of the NBA playoffs, Right, did you see that that stat were like any team up nine points with fifty seconds left was like fourteen hundred and zero going into the nixt game the other night, and now it's fourteen hundred and one.

Even it up tonight, No, no, no, the Game one will never be forgot. I think that's gonna go down in sports history. I think it's statistically it's the biggest choke job in the history of the NBA playoffs, Right, did you see that that stat were like any team up nine points with fifty seconds left was like fourteen hundred and zero going into the nixt game the other night, and now it's fourteen hundred and one.

Yeah, but it was a pop storm of choke, right, you can't deny that, and he missed a few key shots, but you also have to acknowledge that it took five threes from Nismith six of eight in the fourth, like they had to light it up to even get there, and then hit that ridiculous lucky shot.

Yeah, but it was a pop storm of choke, right, you can't deny that, and he missed a few key shots, but you also have to acknowledge that it took five threes from Nismith six of eight in the fourth, like they had to light it up to even get there, and then hit that ridiculous lucky shot.

Dude.

Dude.

We said it on our show, Cavino and rich If dude perfect said, you know what we're gonna try to do. We're gonna try to do a trick shot where we hit the back of the rent and we're gonna have it bounce about eight feet out of the TV screen and try to make this ridiculous recreate this Haliburton shot.

We said it on our show, Cavino and rich If dude perfect said, you know what we're gonna try to do. We're gonna try to do a trick shot where we hit the back of the rent and we're gonna have it bounce about eight feet out of the TV screen and try to make this ridiculous recreate this Haliburton shot.

I think it would take like over ten thousand shots, maybe one hundred thousand, all right, maybe a few thousand shots before they actually make it. So how many times did the ball bounce off the rim like that and then go over the backboard, It's like, you know, out of play.

I think it would take like over ten thousand shots, maybe one hundred thousand, all right, maybe a few thousand shots before they actually make it. So how many times did the ball bounce off the rim like that and then go over the backboard, It's like, you know, out of play.

So yeah, the Knicks definitely blew it. But the Pacers definitely did everything they could to win it, and they had some luck on their side. So therefore you're right, Jasu, super memorable. We'll never forget it. But they have to win this game, there's no question about it.

So yeah, the Knicks definitely blew it. But the Pacers definitely did everything they could to win it, and they had some luck on their side. So therefore you're right, Jasu, super memorable. We'll never forget it. But they have to win this game, there's no question about it.

Don't you disagree though, that it can't be close tonight, Like the Knicks have to win by like fifteen. If it's close in the final couple of minutes, then this is going to creep in that right, Vegas has five and a half. I love the Knicks tonight minus five and a half. I think this is if it can't.

Don't you disagree though, that it can't be close tonight, Like the Knicks have to win by like fifteen. If it's close in the final couple of minutes, then this is going to creep in that right, Vegas has five and a half. I love the Knicks tonight minus five and a half. I think this is if it can't.

Be less than that, they need to assertively, convincingly win. Brunson puts up another thirty plus and the Knicks just you know, try to mentally put game one behind them and say, all right, now it's the best of five, Indiana, you have home court.

Be less than that, they need to assertively, convincingly win. Brunson puts up another thirty plus and the Knicks just you know, try to mentally put game one behind them and say, all right, now it's the best of five, Indiana, you have home court.

Now stinks.

Now stinks.

But if it's one one and then just becomes the best of five, that is a scenario I think New York fans could stomach. Okay, so more reason to watch tonight, super pumped about it, and it makes me think of something the other stephen A said, not stephen A Cavino, stephen A Smith. I guess what he said in a good mood, probably said something like the fact of the matter is, it's just blank.

But if it's one one and then just becomes the best of five, that is a scenario I think New York fans could stomach. Okay, so more reason to watch tonight, super pumped about it, and it makes me think of something the other stephen A said, not stephen A Cavino, stephen A Smith. I guess what he said in a good mood, probably said something like the fact of the matter is, it's just blank.

Well, sometimes you get subdude stephen A, and he's real sub.

Well, sometimes you get subdude stephen A, and he's real sub.

Dude, and then sometimes you get angry Stejnet right.

Dude, and then sometimes you get angry Stejnet right.

True.

True.

In fact, he was saying that just because you come.

In fact, he was saying that just because you come.

Up clutch a Lah Halliburton, who had a premature, premature celebration, he really did, but then they end up winning, so it all works out. Just because you come up clutch doesn't make you a superstar.

Up clutch a Lah Halliburton, who had a premature, premature celebration, he really did, but then they end up winning, so it all works out. Just because you come up clutch doesn't make you a superstar.

And the more I think think about it, the more I actually agree with him. I just think it's part of the ingredients of what actually make you a superstar.

And the more I think think about it, the more I actually agree with him. I just think it's part of the ingredients of what actually make you a superstar.

It's a major ingredient when you say ajor ingredient, but it doesn't make you a superstar.

It's a major ingredient when you say ajor ingredient, but it doesn't make you a superstar.

Means you came through in a superstar sort of moment.

Means you came through in a superstar sort of moment.

But when you say clutch, you know, I think I think of Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana. And now all of a sudden, I started listing some of the greatest athletes of all time. Yeah, you're gonna get a big shot Bobby or David Freese in the playoffs or someone that has there most. Kirk Gibson's a superstar or did he just have a superstar heroic moment? Superstar moment as Dan Patrick was say, he'd be in the Hall of Very Good right, So.

But when you say clutch, you know, I think I think of Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana. And now all of a sudden, I started listing some of the greatest athletes of all time. Yeah, you're gonna get a big shot Bobby or David Freese in the playoffs or someone that has there most. Kirk Gibson's a superstar or did he just have a superstar heroic moment? Superstar moment as Dan Patrick was say, he'd be in the Hall of Very Good right, So.

Colvina, you could relate to Jim Layritz for like a season and a half, he was the most clutch player on Earth.

Colvina, you could relate to Jim Layritz for like a season and a half, he was the most clutch player on Earth.

Jim Layritz. So many of those Yankees came in clutch. A Scottie Brocious right, was a World Series MVP. But yeah, Jim Layretz nineteen ninety six, Yankees are down against the Braves, comes through, it's a superstar. Clutch moment doesn't make him a superstar. So if a still moment doesn't make a superstar, then what does You're a big Dodgers guy. I think of a guy like Key k Hernandez. Yeah, great, good, really good player.

Jim Layritz. So many of those Yankees came in clutch. A Scottie Brocious right, was a World Series MVP. But yeah, Jim Layretz nineteen ninety six, Yankees are down against the Braves, comes through, it's a superstar. Clutch moment doesn't make him a superstar. So if a still moment doesn't make a superstar, then what does You're a big Dodgers guy. I think of a guy like Key k Hernandez. Yeah, great, good, really good player.

Yeah clutch though, I feel like he's one of those guys that come playoff time, You're looking at Keik like he may out do Mooki and Otani, like he's one of those guys I'm a superstar, right just makes makes him great in the clutch.

Yeah clutch though, I feel like he's one of those guys that come playoff time, You're looking at Keik like he may out do Mooki and Otani, like he's one of those guys I'm a superstar, right just makes makes him great in the clutch.

I would say clutch gen key. K Hernandez has the clutch gene and Alex Rodriguez did not remember Alex Rodriguez until that until the nine series was the reputation was that he never came through in the clutch.

I would say clutch gen key. K Hernandez has the clutch gene and Alex Rodriguez did not remember Alex Rodriguez until that until the nine series was the reputation was that he never came through in the clutch.

Same thing right now currently with an Aaron Judge right in, Both Aaron Judge and a Rod you could easily say are superstars, but they don't have that quality. So because Stephen A said this fresh off of that heartbreaking win, it just sounds and comes off like sour grapes. But he does make a point again, just because you show up in clutch moments doesn't make you a superstar. That's Steven A on Tyrese Halliburton on whether or not he's a superstar. You know, so we ask you Fox Sports Radio Nation, Pavino and Rich and for Colin on The Herd. If a clutch moment doesn't make you a superstar, then what does What are the other key ingredients that are needed to make an actual superstar?

Same thing right now currently with an Aaron Judge right in, Both Aaron Judge and a Rod you could easily say are superstars, but they don't have that quality. So because Stephen A said this fresh off of that heartbreaking win, it just sounds and comes off like sour grapes. But he does make a point again, just because you show up in clutch moments doesn't make you a superstar. That's Steven A on Tyrese Halliburton on whether or not he's a superstar. You know, so we ask you Fox Sports Radio Nation, Pavino and Rich and for Colin on The Herd. If a clutch moment doesn't make you a superstar, then what does What are the other key ingredients that are needed to make an actual superstar?

To make you a superstar?

To make you a superstar?

If we could say, well, Halliburton isn't necessarily one, but uh, you know Michael Jordan is, Wait, we are judged by clutch moments, and I know Colin talks a lot about Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert in the postseason has not been good, but people continue to believe that he is of that elite. It's going to click, Something's gonna happen. But Justin Herbert last year had one of his worst games in the postseason. Now what if Herbert was one of those guys that had a couple postseason opportunities, played lights out but his team lost. I think you would think a little different because we judge people on their clutch moments and the same way greatness. You could say a big part of that, of the ingredients is how they perform at a clutch spot.

If we could say, well, Halliburton isn't necessarily one, but uh, you know Michael Jordan is, Wait, we are judged by clutch moments, and I know Colin talks a lot about Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert in the postseason has not been good, but people continue to believe that he is of that elite. It's going to click, Something's gonna happen. But Justin Herbert last year had one of his worst games in the postseason. Now what if Herbert was one of those guys that had a couple postseason opportunities, played lights out but his team lost. I think you would think a little different because we judge people on their clutch moments and the same way greatness. You could say a big part of that, of the ingredients is how they perform at a clutch spot.

I'll give you a dirty analogy.

I'll give you a dirty analogy.

It'd be like saying, yeah, dude, she's got a great ass and uh nice uh nice boobies. But uh, well that's two ingredients to make a woman good looking. Right, Yeah, but you're not that great. I mean you just describe two key layers here. So what makes someone a superstar?

It'd be like saying, yeah, dude, she's got a great ass and uh nice uh nice boobies. But uh, well that's two ingredients to make a woman good looking. Right, Yeah, but you're not that great. I mean you just describe two key layers here. So what makes someone a superstar?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I think I would have to say consistency and sustainability all uh big poppy, he did it for years, and he did it over and over again. It wasn't just a one time moment, one sort of Haliburton clutch moment, one sort of David Tyree clutch moment, or a nick full superstar performance. Right, It's years of over and over again, sustainability and consistency and clutch moments. It's just one of those key ingredients that makes someone a superstar. So then I ask you if Halliburton, in steven A's opinion, isn't a superstar yet just because he had a clutch moment, what about SGA, who's fresh off of an MVP, these young players man and again, he's been around for a minute, seven seasons in consistency. Is it fair to say a guy that just got voted MVP, I still feel like, doesn't get the respect it is perhaps deserves.

I think I would have to say consistency and sustainability all uh big poppy, he did it for years, and he did it over and over again. It wasn't just a one time moment, one sort of Haliburton clutch moment, one sort of David Tyree clutch moment, or a nick full superstar performance. Right, It's years of over and over again, sustainability and consistency and clutch moments. It's just one of those key ingredients that makes someone a superstar. So then I ask you if Halliburton, in steven A's opinion, isn't a superstar yet just because he had a clutch moment, what about SGA, who's fresh off of an MVP, these young players man and again, he's been around for a minute, seven seasons in consistency. Is it fair to say a guy that just got voted MVP, I still feel like, doesn't get the respect it is perhaps deserves.

It is part of being a superstar playing for a major market team. Now your choice? Old, Yeah?

It is part of being a superstar playing for a major market team. Now your choice? Old, Yeah?

Is it championships because he's got the MVP? Now is it performing on a high level on a big stage like he is right now?

Is it championships because he's got the MVP? Now is it performing on a high level on a big stage like he is right now?

So what do you think about an SGA? Because that whole team looks dominant right now?

So what do you think about an SGA? Because that whole team looks dominant right now?

Dominant OKC one eighteen, Timberwolves one oh three, SGA playing big when it matters. Yet for some reason, if you take the we call it the Mom test or the Aunt Sharon Test, a lot of the names on the Oklahoma City Thunder are not household names.

Dominant OKC one eighteen, Timberwolves one oh three, SGA playing big when it matters. Yet for some reason, if you take the we call it the Mom test or the Aunt Sharon Test, a lot of the names on the Oklahoma City Thunder are not household names.

It's the truth.

It's the truth.

Now to hammer this home, SGA, if I were to ask you name the top selling jerseys since the NBA All Star Break, top selling jersey since the NBA All Star Break, who do you thinks on that list? Because when do you think the league MVP? Yeah, a guy that puts up thirty plus like every game and a guy that could very well win his first NBA title and MVP in the same season, you would think he'd be towards the top of that list, especially kids, young kids by jerseys. Star Player SGA thirty eight points in the win last night, and I imagine he's top ten. But Lucas number one right now, that's a great guess. Luca number one, that's not a great guess. It's just you know, Star Player went to the Lakers mid season, so I get that. And of course Stephen Lebron follow two and three Superstars, Tatum won a championship last year. Jo Kich is probably there toward the end, Jo Kisch's top ten Tatum Did you say Tatum?

Now to hammer this home, SGA, if I were to ask you name the top selling jerseys since the NBA All Star Break, top selling jersey since the NBA All Star Break, who do you thinks on that list? Because when do you think the league MVP? Yeah, a guy that puts up thirty plus like every game and a guy that could very well win his first NBA title and MVP in the same season, you would think he'd be towards the top of that list, especially kids, young kids by jerseys. Star Player SGA thirty eight points in the win last night, and I imagine he's top ten. But Lucas number one right now, that's a great guess. Luca number one, that's not a great guess. It's just you know, Star Player went to the Lakers mid season, so I get that. And of course Stephen Lebron follow two and three Superstars, Tatum won a championship last year. Jo Kich is probably there toward the end, Jo Kisch's top ten Tatum Did you say Tatum?

I did say Tatum. Jalen Bronson, Oh yeah, Bronson Wemby. But again, Brunson's got the power of the New York Knicks behind him. You know, he's got the stats and the heart to go with is So I think playing for the Knicks also helps.

I did say Tatum. Jalen Bronson, Oh yeah, Bronson Wemby. But again, Brunson's got the power of the New York Knicks behind him. You know, he's got the stats and the heart to go with is So I think playing for the Knicks also helps.

Anthony Edwards, John Morant and at number nine SGA. So he's top ten, but maybe a championship will take him to that next level.

Anthony Edwards, John Morant and at number nine SGA. So he's top ten, but maybe a championship will take him to that next level.

And it seems like they're cruising so exactly again.

And it seems like they're cruising so exactly again.

Fox Sports Radio Nation is Cavino and rich Infra Colin on The Herd. We got Gottlieb on standby, but what makes you a superstars? And your thoughts on the game tonight and if if we hang out more. I'm not sure what Doug's statuses, but we got the idea of athletes who are bald. There's there's a ridiculous story and it has to do with bald athletes. I'll just say that we'll do that coming up right here, Covin on rich In for Colin.

Fox Sports Radio Nation is Cavino and rich Infra Colin on The Herd. We got Gottlieb on standby, but what makes you a superstars? And your thoughts on the game tonight and if if we hang out more. I'm not sure what Doug's statuses, but we got the idea of athletes who are bald. There's there's a ridiculous story and it has to do with bald athletes. I'll just say that we'll do that coming up right here, Covin on rich In for Colin.

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All Right, we were just in for the Great Dan Patrick Show and Allison onor to be in for Colin on the Herd. We are Covino and Rich Steve Covino and Rich Davis.

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Yeah, Buddy eight.

Yeah, Buddy eight.

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Rich.

Rich.

I'm so pumped about the game tonight Pacers at Nickson must win for the Knicks. We saw a big win last night from OKC. Okay, see what makes you a superstar? If Stephen A. Smith says, hey, just because he came in clutch doesn't make you a superstar, then what does He's right, He's right, one moment doesn't define your career. In that case, we'd say Robert or is a superstar who came in clutch more than that guy. But it takes more than that, and one more thing aside from sustainability and consistency and superstar numbers. And I thought of two things. It's meeting and exceeding the expectations. Right, that's part of being a superstar. You got to meet those expectations. You got to exceed those expectations. And I think marketability has a lot to do with it too, because you could have a little bit of each quality. If you don't have them all, you're not a superstar. No, it's actually clutch is the one that you might not need to be a superstar. A lot a ron Allah judge people who haven't shown up clutched the way some of these other players have. I wonder if you look at all the quote superstars. We mentioned people that you have put in that clutch superstar category. Are there numbers definitely better in the postseason? Like is Derek Jutor's lifetime postseason batting average better than his regular season? Is Michael Jordan averaging site higher in the playoffs than his regular season averages?

I'm so pumped about the game tonight Pacers at Nickson must win for the Knicks. We saw a big win last night from OKC. Okay, see what makes you a superstar? If Stephen A. Smith says, hey, just because he came in clutch doesn't make you a superstar, then what does He's right, He's right, one moment doesn't define your career. In that case, we'd say Robert or is a superstar who came in clutch more than that guy. But it takes more than that, and one more thing aside from sustainability and consistency and superstar numbers. And I thought of two things. It's meeting and exceeding the expectations. Right, that's part of being a superstar. You got to meet those expectations. You got to exceed those expectations. And I think marketability has a lot to do with it too, because you could have a little bit of each quality. If you don't have them all, you're not a superstar. No, it's actually clutch is the one that you might not need to be a superstar. A lot a ron Allah judge people who haven't shown up clutched the way some of these other players have. I wonder if you look at all the quote superstars. We mentioned people that you have put in that clutch superstar category. Are there numbers definitely better in the postseason? Like is Derek Jutor's lifetime postseason batting average better than his regular season? Is Michael Jordan averaging site higher in the playoffs than his regular season averages?

Is a quarterback? Is it?

Is a quarterback? Is it?

Quarterbacks? You know, TD to interception ratio better in the postseason. I think those are things to factor in because what happened to Hallenburton again in this clutch moment was not only clutch and riding off his instincts in that moment, but it was so there was so much luck involved, not to take away from his greatness, and he's a great player. That bounce was the most ridiculous bounce, most ridiculous doink?

Quarterbacks? You know, TD to interception ratio better in the postseason. I think those are things to factor in because what happened to Hallenburton again in this clutch moment was not only clutch and riding off his instincts in that moment, but it was so there was so much luck involved, not to take away from his greatness, and he's a great player. That bounce was the most ridiculous bounce, most ridiculous doink?

Is it the best? Is it diverse? Is it the best doink? Ever? It's uh top top five?

Is it the best? Is it diverse? Is it the best doink? Ever? It's uh top top five?

Kawhi like you said, teen wolf, Chicago Bears double doink. I think Kauhi is still number one. Other doints, but that is right up there. Chiefs got luck. A couple of Chiefs got lucky on a couple of field goal doinks last year. Yeah, no, that's true. You know why though, and Jay Stu hit it, Jase dou producing shout out to our producer Danny g But the number again, eight seven seven, four thirty four to thirty seven. Sure, the Knicks have to win tonight. Then it's the best of five. But that game was so heart wrenching and ripping and impactful that we'll remember it always. That's a highlight that we're probably going to see for the rest of our lives. The same way we remember the Reggie Miller moment is the same way, especially young people are going to remember. Younger people are going to remember this moment. It's a memorable game.

Kawhi like you said, teen wolf, Chicago Bears double doink. I think Kauhi is still number one. Other doints, but that is right up there. Chiefs got luck. A couple of Chiefs got lucky on a couple of field goal doinks last year. Yeah, no, that's true. You know why though, and Jay Stu hit it, Jase dou producing shout out to our producer Danny g But the number again, eight seven seven, four thirty four to thirty seven. Sure, the Knicks have to win tonight. Then it's the best of five. But that game was so heart wrenching and ripping and impactful that we'll remember it always. That's a highlight that we're probably going to see for the rest of our lives. The same way we remember the Reggie Miller moment is the same way, especially young people are going to remember. Younger people are going to remember this moment. It's a memorable game.

And the Knicks have to win, and I agree, win big to sort of put that behind them and move forward at least in this series.

And the Knicks have to win, and I agree, win big to sort of put that behind them and move forward at least in this series.

Now there's two answers to the bar trivia question. What Indiana Pacer did the choke symbol? Yeah, the rivalry also when beating the Knicks. Now it's a two man show, Reggie and Haliburn. So hey, tonight we'll all be watching, of course, Knicks Pacers game two. I love the Knicks given five and a half, I think this is a, as you said, a statement game. You gotta win convincingly tonight. This can't be a oh thank god, we're going to Game three Tide. This needs to be yo, we're asserting ourselves.

Now there's two answers to the bar trivia question. What Indiana Pacer did the choke symbol? Yeah, the rivalry also when beating the Knicks. Now it's a two man show, Reggie and Haliburn. So hey, tonight we'll all be watching, of course, Knicks Pacers game two. I love the Knicks given five and a half, I think this is a, as you said, a statement game. You gotta win convincingly tonight. This can't be a oh thank god, we're going to Game three Tide. This needs to be yo, we're asserting ourselves.

I do love the back and forth though, even here on our channel of people like Jay Steus saying the Nicks Blewett, but guys like Colin who were saying, no, the Pacers just won it.

I do love the back and forth though, even here on our channel of people like Jay Steus saying the Nicks Blewett, but guys like Colin who were saying, no, the Pacers just won it.

That's a that's a fun debate in itself. So think about it, and we're excited to see what happens tonight. No another story. This is this is so up our alley. I mean, listen, we're feeling it for Colin. Colin's got great hair. He's the silver Fox, this guy. Now I look at a guy like Colin Cowherd and say, what a great head of hair. Not everyone's got a great head of hair. There's a study out of UCLA. The study out of UCLA. They're saying breakthrough, breakthrough where Rogaine, Propecia, all this stuff is gonna be a think of the past and grown men are all going to be able to have full heads of hair if they want.

That's a that's a fun debate in itself. So think about it, and we're excited to see what happens tonight. No another story. This is this is so up our alley. I mean, listen, we're feeling it for Colin. Colin's got great hair. He's the silver Fox, this guy. Now I look at a guy like Colin Cowherd and say, what a great head of hair. Not everyone's got a great head of hair. There's a study out of UCLA. The study out of UCLA. They're saying breakthrough, breakthrough where Rogaine, Propecia, all this stuff is gonna be a think of the past and grown men are all going to be able to have full heads of hair if they want.

Well.

Well.

This coincigns with another viral story that two Pays are on the rise, Two Pays are coming back Rich. So you're back in style, Buddy Rich Davis back in style because the quality of two pays have increased so much that people are choosing them as an option. But according to this, you no longer have to You don't have to fly to Turkey to get in plants. You don't have to do the one stop shop Turkey rage of you're paying six g's to go to an all inclusive hair transplant.

This coincigns with another viral story that two Pays are on the rise, Two Pays are coming back Rich. So you're back in style, Buddy Rich Davis back in style because the quality of two pays have increased so much that people are choosing them as an option. But according to this, you no longer have to You don't have to fly to Turkey to get in plants. You don't have to do the one stop shop Turkey rage of you're paying six g's to go to an all inclusive hair transplant.

You just take whatever this is. They it's a molecule story.

You just take whatever this is. They it's a molecule story.

What it does is they're saying they have technology now where they could just like bring back all those dead hair follicles. So the question that I wanted to pose before we make way for Doug, who I think is all set up he'll be taking over in a few here filling in for the Herd. My thought is this in the sports world. Yeah, it's the dumbest question, but that's how I roll. Okay, what athlete or someone in the sports universe do you think you'd want to see with hair that's gone bolt and you know.

What it does is they're saying they have technology now where they could just like bring back all those dead hair follicles. So the question that I wanted to pose before we make way for Doug, who I think is all set up he'll be taking over in a few here filling in for the Herd. My thought is this in the sports world. Yeah, it's the dumbest question, but that's how I roll. Okay, what athlete or someone in the sports universe do you think you'd want to see with hair that's gone bolt and you know.

Earlier this morning would look the weirdest.

Earlier this morning would look the weirdest.

Early this morning we were chatting about this, filling it for Dan Patrick. I think if you could beat this answer, you win the whole NBA on TNT desk. Imagine if Ernie Kenny show up on and Charles Barkley shows up with a Jerry Curler some type of the door like Johnny Swede flat top fade. Right, yeah, if this is all possible and there's no weird side effect like shrinkage or anything weird, Oh no, you're you're It says your your hair, but you're junk on one. There's always a given take with these things, right.

Early this morning we were chatting about this, filling it for Dan Patrick. I think if you could beat this answer, you win the whole NBA on TNT desk. Imagine if Ernie Kenny show up on and Charles Barkley shows up with a Jerry Curler some type of the door like Johnny Swede flat top fade. Right, yeah, if this is all possible and there's no weird side effect like shrinkage or anything weird, Oh no, you're you're It says your your hair, but you're junk on one. There's always a given take with these things, right.

Uh.

Uh.

If there was no side effect, who shows up in the sports world looking the strangest because so many people are just synonymous with the Baldo Ronald though, like Charles Barkley or an sv how many middle aged white guys that shave their head and have beards would be like, you know what, grow my hair bag. I was just seeing some highlights obviously of last night OKC in Minnesota. Imagine if Commissioner Adam Silver just showed up and he didn't look like a skinny doctor evil and all of a sudden, Adam Silver, We'll think about it, Adam big Papa door. Imagine Adam Silver with like Trevor Lawrence hair. I mean, it's possible. According to the studies from UCLA. Again, that's the rumor, that's the story. Rich got this from TikTok so who knows if it's I'm not buying it. But if you go on the trends right between o zempic and this hair product, you're gonna have a bunch of skinny, skinny, frail guys in the future with beautiful, glorious hair. So who in the sports world would stand out the most to you? Let us know eight seven, seven, forty four, thirty four to thirty seven are better. Yet, since Doug is here and pass the we'll pass the baton. We'll give him the contract. You can hit us up at Covino and Rich at Fox Sports Radio, and we hope you guys have a really nice, more more real Day weekend. We salute the people that died serving this country, and of course we invite you to our big party at Circa in Las Vegas June twentieth three to twenty second.

If there was no side effect, who shows up in the sports world looking the strangest because so many people are just synonymous with the Baldo Ronald though, like Charles Barkley or an sv how many middle aged white guys that shave their head and have beards would be like, you know what, grow my hair bag. I was just seeing some highlights obviously of last night OKC in Minnesota. Imagine if Commissioner Adam Silver just showed up and he didn't look like a skinny doctor evil and all of a sudden, Adam Silver, We'll think about it, Adam big Papa door. Imagine Adam Silver with like Trevor Lawrence hair. I mean, it's possible. According to the studies from UCLA. Again, that's the rumor, that's the story. Rich got this from TikTok so who knows if it's I'm not buying it. But if you go on the trends right between o zempic and this hair product, you're gonna have a bunch of skinny, skinny, frail guys in the future with beautiful, glorious hair. So who in the sports world would stand out the most to you? Let us know eight seven, seven, forty four, thirty four to thirty seven are better. Yet, since Doug is here and pass the we'll pass the baton. We'll give him the contract. You can hit us up at Covino and Rich at Fox Sports Radio, and we hope you guys have a really nice, more more real Day weekend. We salute the people that died serving this country, and of course we invite you to our big party at Circa in Las Vegas June twentieth three to twenty second.

Y'all, Doug, you there, man.

Y'all, Doug, you there, man.

I'm here. I'm all good guys.

I'm here. I'm all good guys.

Hey, buddy, hey man, have a great Memorial Day weekend. Any thoughts of what athlete would look ridiculous if they had hair again?

Hey, buddy, hey man, have a great Memorial Day weekend. Any thoughts of what athlete would look ridiculous if they had hair again?

Well, I mean Erlacker obviously is the signature guy, right, No, And when you land in Chicago, you're driving and you see him there and you're like, wait, what is different about Brian Urlacker? So yeah, I think I think the I think the more interesting thing. It's funny you bring that up is the guy who all of a sudden goes away and comes back and just lost the wig or the weave or whatever. He comes back and he's like, he just said ef Itt, like I'm bald.

Well, I mean Erlacker obviously is the signature guy, right, No, And when you land in Chicago, you're driving and you see him there and you're like, wait, what is different about Brian Urlacker? So yeah, I think I think the I think the more interesting thing. It's funny you bring that up is the guy who all of a sudden goes away and comes back and just lost the wig or the weave or whatever. He comes back and he's like, he just said ef Itt, like I'm bald.

I don't care, dude. I You're right. You know why, because we do it just pretty quickly.

I don't care, dude. I You're right. You know why, because we do it just pretty quickly.

Like if you think back, we were used to Wade Bogs with that receding hairline. All of a sudden he shows up with a pompador and you're like, huh, I guess all right, Wade Box says hair now, and you kind of move forward. If it were the opposite, it might it's a little more striking. Yeah, Doug, we worked with a guy at ESPN that he apparently this guy was was losing his hair and he would wear a hat all he started wearing a hat like the paperwork had like, and he wouldn't take it off. And then months later they finally takes off his hat. Glorious hair, the hair and his buff up. Hey he did he must have done something, but didn't want to give the reveal quite yet. But hey, if this is a real study out of UCLA, then for all the guys you know losing their hair, good good news for you.

Like if you think back, we were used to Wade Bogs with that receding hairline. All of a sudden he shows up with a pompador and you're like, huh, I guess all right, Wade Box says hair now, and you kind of move forward. If it were the opposite, it might it's a little more striking. Yeah, Doug, we worked with a guy at ESPN that he apparently this guy was was losing his hair and he would wear a hat all he started wearing a hat like the paperwork had like, and he wouldn't take it off. And then months later they finally takes off his hat. Glorious hair, the hair and his buff up. Hey he did he must have done something, but didn't want to give the reveal quite yet. But hey, if this is a real study out of UCLA, then for all the guys you know losing their hair, good good news for you.

Lebron is wishing this would have happened.

Lebron is wishing this would have happened.

The study.

The study.

The study is there's a scientific breakthrough and they're waiting for FDA approval, and if they get it, they're saying that, you know, so many the results are way better than a roguaine or you know, any of the other like monoxi, synopsidial or any of those type of things. So hey, there is hope for men withinning here.

The study is there's a scientific breakthrough and they're waiting for FDA approval, and if they get it, they're saying that, you know, so many the results are way better than a roguaine or you know, any of the other like monoxi, synopsidial or any of those type of things. So hey, there is hope for men withinning here.

Yeah, these are where we can't cure cancer or the common cold. But he's losing their hair.

Yeah, these are where we can't cure cancer or the common cold. But he's losing their hair.

We're all over.

We're all over.

We're all over that we got. As a as a guy who can be folliclely challenged, I respect it. I respect the game, I respect the hard work. I just yeah, and the had thing. The Turkey thing is, have you seen those those tiktoks where there's like a guy who goes to Turkey and he's on a plane and there's like fifty.

We're all over that we got. As a as a guy who can be folliclely challenged, I respect it. I respect the game, I respect the hard work. I just yeah, and the had thing. The Turkey thing is, have you seen those those tiktoks where there's like a guy who goes to Turkey and he's on a plane and there's like fifty.

Guys, fifty dudes with ben and dumped heads. It's real, man, Yeah, that's a real thing.

Guys, fifty dudes with ben and dumped heads. It's real, man, Yeah, that's a real thing.

People are going out there by the droves just to get their hair done.

People are going out there by the droves just to get their hair done.

What is it about Turkey?

What is it about Turkey?

Like they whatever?

Like they whatever?

They they've perfected the art form right, but they also have become the spot because they offer like an all inclusive deal for like six is what I've been told.

They they've perfected the art form right, but they also have become the spot because they offer like an all inclusive deal for like six is what I've been told.

Obviously, I don't need to go.

Obviously, I don't need to go.

I's that's what fucks about this conversation, conversation with guys that great hair.

I's that's what fucks about this conversation, conversation with guys that great hair.

No.

No.

Look from what I've heard though, six and thank you Doug. Six cheeses will get you an all inclusive trip out there and they'll do the procedure and you come back. You went on a little vacation and you come back with a nice head of hair. Well, listen, Doug, we will let you takeover. I'm sure a lot of NBA with Doug. Doug, do you think NIXT tonight it's like a convincing win is needed or no?

Look from what I've heard though, six and thank you Doug. Six cheeses will get you an all inclusive trip out there and they'll do the procedure and you come back. You went on a little vacation and you come back with a nice head of hair. Well, listen, Doug, we will let you takeover. I'm sure a lot of NBA with Doug. Doug, do you think NIXT tonight it's like a convincing win is needed or no?

I mean I I don't. If you look at the Celtics, they had two of these in a row, that one up nine with fifty one seconds to go. I just I don't know how you get up off the floor with that devastation. But yeah, I mean this is an absolute must win tonight. It's a what a crazy set of circumstances. All right, well, guys, I appreciate you helping out. You guys had a great Memorial weekend sports all right? And coming up next? Coming up next in the Herd? Okay, let's let's go back to last night. Why shake Gildas? Alexander? Though the MVP kind of hard to root for, I'll explain next. I'm not got like this is the Herd.

I mean I I don't. If you look at the Celtics, they had two of these in a row, that one up nine with fifty one seconds to go. I just I don't know how you get up off the floor with that devastation. But yeah, I mean this is an absolute must win tonight. It's a what a crazy set of circumstances. All right, well, guys, I appreciate you helping out. You guys had a great Memorial weekend sports all right? And coming up next? Coming up next in the Herd? Okay, let's let's go back to last night. Why shake Gildas? Alexander? Though the MVP kind of hard to root for, I'll explain next. I'm not got like this is the Herd.

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What 've Doug Gottleiben for Collin heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So last night Oklahoma City took a two game to n lead and stopping. You heard this before, but Shake Guilden is Alexander dominant, not just from the two but also from the one. From the free throw line, what do you make thirteen out of fifteen free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable post game, Obviously, considering all the hype and the desire to be kind of the next dude has not yet looked like the next dude in these last two games. But I think I think here's the distinction that people need to make. This is a real thing. So when you go on social media, you'll get people who will say who are you know? And and look, full disclosure, I have numerous friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I think they do a great job, and I love watching this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess. Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest, highest variety, right, and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated now as opposed to how it used to be officiated. And here's what I and but here's the special distinction. Okay, Like I will see on social media people say Michael Jordan shot nine more free throws the game, and he probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and they played the Detroit Pistons and what was called the Jordan rules, They would pummel him when he go to the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He wouldn't pass on that penetration. He try and win it on his own. And and so yeah, he shot a lot of free thows. Michael Jordan shot a lot ofthos. Michael Jordan got calls. There's no question the difference in Jordan bird Magic, even Kobe Okay was what they didn't do was like this next step. It started with Harden with throwing the head back, but Shay, will he falls down? I mean in game one, how many times did he fall down? And it's interesting, Like you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, he fouls. He falls down more than Joel EMBII, who falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught. And he's great at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them so contact is made and then throwing his hand up in his arm up and his head back and getting a foul. Like he is a Picasso at being a foul garnering artist. He's a puck Casso. He does it better than anybody else. But it's really hard to sit there and go, like, I love watching this march to the free throw line, and I understand you could sit there again. Go Jordan and Byrd and all these guys they used to go to the free throw line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free throw line or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid range pull up really close to he's this is It's like talking on both sides of your mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Harden's an amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways, James Harden's a better player in his prime than Shay Gildas Alexander is because Harden had some of the same foul drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and Chase he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special bottom as a passer, nothing's really special about its a three point shooter. He's unbelievable mid range and six feet in. It seems like he never misses, and then he has the ability to draw fouls. He's the best of these free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey, mj I mean again, the difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane where there were two guys, and yeah, sometimes there were phantom calls, no question, But what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm driving to the basket and then all of a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling down at the second of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get what the stats look like, but you can't. You can't fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable, hell as lovable as he is, right like, dude gets up there, and I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Westbrook was the the you know, the basketball is my only friend type deal. But but Kevin rant talked about his mom being the real MVP, and Shay Gills Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful, like, this is not an indictment on him the person. It's not really indictment on him the player. It's an indictment on where we've gotten to. In an effort to make the game more offense friendly, the offense gets to dictate contact and all these other things. And now we've gotten to the place where the offense will intentionally make not just contact, but grab the defender in an effort to act like they're being grabbed. And yeah, I don't know how much you guys watched last night, but there was a point in the game where, you know, one of the Timboles players just pushed him, and then when they're drawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro, stop flopping, you know. And look, the story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a college style defense, right, really really pressuring the basketball. That's the other thing. Right, So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander, we put our hands anywhere near him, he grabs them and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. Hey, so it puts our hand on you, it's your hand. But you go from that to the other end where Oklahoma Ce's playing super physical on the ball defensively, and then what's called a loaded up defense, just feet and hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're playing one on five or at least one on two more than one on one. There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams. It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you to make get passes and skip passes into drives or skip passes in the jump shots, and the Timbolves aren't doing it.

What 've Doug Gottleiben for Collin heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So last night Oklahoma City took a two game to n lead and stopping. You heard this before, but Shake Guilden is Alexander dominant, not just from the two but also from the one. From the free throw line, what do you make thirteen out of fifteen free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable post game, Obviously, considering all the hype and the desire to be kind of the next dude has not yet looked like the next dude in these last two games. But I think I think here's the distinction that people need to make. This is a real thing. So when you go on social media, you'll get people who will say who are you know? And and look, full disclosure, I have numerous friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I think they do a great job, and I love watching this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess. Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest, highest variety, right, and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated now as opposed to how it used to be officiated. And here's what I and but here's the special distinction. Okay, Like I will see on social media people say Michael Jordan shot nine more free throws the game, and he probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and they played the Detroit Pistons and what was called the Jordan rules, They would pummel him when he go to the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He wouldn't pass on that penetration. He try and win it on his own. And and so yeah, he shot a lot of free thows. Michael Jordan shot a lot ofthos. Michael Jordan got calls. There's no question the difference in Jordan bird Magic, even Kobe Okay was what they didn't do was like this next step. It started with Harden with throwing the head back, but Shay, will he falls down? I mean in game one, how many times did he fall down? And it's interesting, Like you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, he fouls. He falls down more than Joel EMBII, who falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught. And he's great at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them so contact is made and then throwing his hand up in his arm up and his head back and getting a foul. Like he is a Picasso at being a foul garnering artist. He's a puck Casso. He does it better than anybody else. But it's really hard to sit there and go, like, I love watching this march to the free throw line, and I understand you could sit there again. Go Jordan and Byrd and all these guys they used to go to the free throw line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free throw line or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid range pull up really close to he's this is It's like talking on both sides of your mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Harden's an amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways, James Harden's a better player in his prime than Shay Gildas Alexander is because Harden had some of the same foul drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and Chase he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special bottom as a passer, nothing's really special about its a three point shooter. He's unbelievable mid range and six feet in. It seems like he never misses, and then he has the ability to draw fouls. He's the best of these free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey, mj I mean again, the difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane where there were two guys, and yeah, sometimes there were phantom calls, no question, But what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm driving to the basket and then all of a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling down at the second of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get what the stats look like, but you can't. You can't fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable, hell as lovable as he is, right like, dude gets up there, and I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Westbrook was the the you know, the basketball is my only friend type deal. But but Kevin rant talked about his mom being the real MVP, and Shay Gills Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful, like, this is not an indictment on him the person. It's not really indictment on him the player. It's an indictment on where we've gotten to. In an effort to make the game more offense friendly, the offense gets to dictate contact and all these other things. And now we've gotten to the place where the offense will intentionally make not just contact, but grab the defender in an effort to act like they're being grabbed. And yeah, I don't know how much you guys watched last night, but there was a point in the game where, you know, one of the Timboles players just pushed him, and then when they're drawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro, stop flopping, you know. And look, the story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a college style defense, right, really really pressuring the basketball. That's the other thing. Right, So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander, we put our hands anywhere near him, he grabs them and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. Hey, so it puts our hand on you, it's your hand. But you go from that to the other end where Oklahoma Ce's playing super physical on the ball defensively, and then what's called a loaded up defense, just feet and hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're playing one on five or at least one on two more than one on one. There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams. It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you to make get passes and skip passes into drives or skip passes in the jump shots, and the Timbolves aren't doing it.

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But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at each end, and again a lot of it is style. You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams have famously done, which is they foul on every play with the idea that you can't call them all. It's an unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession. So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also playing help boring to defense, so even if you go by the guy that has his hands on you, they're forced you to make that next pass. But it's it's really interesting that you're watching Shay and how he plays, and you know, I was at Game seven. I shared this on my show. It's Doug Golibin for Collins the Hurt Fox Sport Tradio, I Heart Radio app. I went to Game seven between the Nuggets and the Thunder, and I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right, It's like a It really is like a college crowd. People ask what was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma State when you were there, It's that's what the crowd was like every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front of some guy who behind me. Every time yo kids draws the valley's like free throw march it. You're like, well, I get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does throw his hands into people and do all kind of the classic ways to draw fowls. But you do know that Shay is like if if there's different rankings or different chess pieces, if yokch is the king, then he's the queen. If Yo Kich is the queen, then he's the king of free throw merchant Tree. And I don't know if there's a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree, or if you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but he's got a doctorate. But it makes it really, really hard. And it's also one of those things where the difference between now and the Jordan era is HTTV four k and how good the replays are where you're sitting there going like, yeah, I don't think he was actually touched and yet he fell down. You know, look, if the thunder win the title, it probably doesn't matter. But this does feel like, do you guys remember when Dwayne Wade and the Dallas Mavericks beat the excuse me, Dwayne Wade and the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals And it was just a constant march to the free throw line where it almost felt pre determined that the NBA wanted to make Dwayne Wade a star. I don't think that's what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting, adjusting the rules, and you're sitting there going, hey, the offensive player has all the benefits of these rules so much so now that Shay is actually creating the contact, grabbing the other player, locking up his arm and then making it out is that that arm is grabbing him. This is you know, yesterday we talked about the tush push still being allowed. You know, they've gotten away from guys just throwing back their head, and now Shay has taken it to another level where he kind of falls to the side and it's constantly making faces and noises even when he's not getting touched. I do wonder what adjustment they can make in terms of stylistically or rules wise, or emphasis wise and officiating in the future. It is that widely discussed, and I think it's because he's the best at it. He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey, coming up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is there any chance he changes teams? We'll discuss next in the hurd