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Here we go. It is a Monday, the day after the Super Bowl live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamax. By any standards, this was not one of the more memorable Super Bowls unless your favorite color is green. Unless you're the Philadelphia Eagles. I know you love the Eagles. That is totally understand Baby damn well, there are a lot of angles on this. I'll say this, it's the only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there were four MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it for the Eagles, and the entire defensive line. It was so dominating it has to have a ripple effect on the Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and the Packers, and how they draft. Does it not like, how do you block that? I mean it was really really good during the regular season. What was that? I mean, we taught quarterbacks all the time on the show. Yet Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles. I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The tush push was his most activity. The d line, the total defense. It makes Nick Sirianni this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's GM has and uses all the level drafting, trading, free agency, and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player. That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes. One's a Heisman winner. One AJ Brown comes via a massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in the last fifteen to twenty years was that Seahawk roster when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson on the rookie contract. And remember we've seen this before. That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning. That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful. I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team. But if you look at the box score, that's the most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes twenty one to thirty two in a passer rating of ninety five. That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He had one first down in the first half on the first play, and what was most disappointing is that he never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half. Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week we said I think this Philadelphia roster is the best since that Seahawks roster. And man did we say it on display? Now? Maybe it was in verse where Seattle. You remember that Seahawk team, the big win. They're gonna do too. Then they and I don't know in what order Philadelphia is gonna go, but I just watched a flurry, a defensive line, rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes was completely out of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is what we thought they could be at their best. But throughout the course of the season, I can remember in week eight, nine, ten to eleven, We're like, there are quarters, they're amazing. But remember early in the year they couldn't score in the first quarter. Remember early in the year, we're like, man, they have drives, how do they ever punt? But you'd get like two drives a game. They put it all together last night, the GM, the DC, the quarterback, the old line, the D line. They didn't even need sa Kwan Barkley. And here was the young head coach after.

Here we go. It is a Monday, the day after the Super Bowl live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamax. By any standards, this was not one of the more memorable Super Bowls unless your favorite color is green. Unless you're the Philadelphia Eagles. I know you love the Eagles. That is totally understand Baby damn well, there are a lot of angles on this. I'll say this, it's the only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there were four MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it for the Eagles, and the entire defensive line. It was so dominating it has to have a ripple effect on the Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and the Packers, and how they draft. Does it not like, how do you block that? I mean it was really really good during the regular season. What was that? I mean, we taught quarterbacks all the time on the show. Yet Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles. I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The tush push was his most activity. The d line, the total defense. It makes Nick Sirianni this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's GM has and uses all the level drafting, trading, free agency, and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player. That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes. One's a Heisman winner. One AJ Brown comes via a massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in the last fifteen to twenty years was that Seahawk roster when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson on the rookie contract. And remember we've seen this before. That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning. That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful. I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team. But if you look at the box score, that's the most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes twenty one to thirty two in a passer rating of ninety five. That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He had one first down in the first half on the first play, and what was most disappointing is that he never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half. Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week we said I think this Philadelphia roster is the best since that Seahawks roster. And man did we say it on display? Now? Maybe it was in verse where Seattle. You remember that Seahawk team, the big win. They're gonna do too. Then they and I don't know in what order Philadelphia is gonna go, but I just watched a flurry, a defensive line, rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes was completely out of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is what we thought they could be at their best. But throughout the course of the season, I can remember in week eight, nine, ten to eleven, We're like, there are quarters, they're amazing. But remember early in the year they couldn't score in the first quarter. Remember early in the year, we're like, man, they have drives, how do they ever punt? But you'd get like two drives a game. They put it all together last night, the GM, the DC, the quarterback, the old line, the D line. They didn't even need sa Kwan Barkley. And here was the young head coach after.

This is the ultimate team game.

This is the ultimate team game.

You can't be great without the greatness of others. And we uh great performance by everybody offense, defense, special teams. Howie getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players.

You can't be great without the greatness of others. And we uh great performance by everybody offense, defense, special teams. Howie getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players.

We didn't really ever.

We didn't really ever.

Care what anyone thought, Aha we won or their opinions, all we want.

Care what anyone thought, Aha we won or their opinions, all we want.

To do is win.

To do is win.

So let's talk Patrick Mahomes. For the record, He's now just three and two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady lost three of them by a total combined fifteen points. Patrick Mahomes has lost two and the point differential is minus forty and he has trailed in all five Super Bowls. And what really disappointed me he never manipulated the game. He got rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game, and had no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways, even when he had the second best roster in a Super Bowl, he found ways at the line of scrimmage to manipulate a defense, move the chains, at least be viable in field position. Anybody can win. Let's be honest. With a full house or pocket aces, can you win when you got a pair of sevens? And I felt multiple times in AFC Championships or Super Bowls that Brady actually had the second best roster and had to massage it and manipulate it and move the chains with his pre snap excellence. With Mahomes two weeks to prepare with Andy Reid, it feels like they had no second pitch and his special secret power has always been his legs, and once Philadelphia took that away, there was nothing else there. I don't remember Tom ever trailing thirty four to zero in any game. And in the one Super Bowl where Brady was getting rolled twenty eight to three, he came back to win again. Brady had bad plays, bad quarters, a bad half, bad moments. This was just awful. In fact, Brady's biggest Super Bowl loss was that one possession game to the Eagles in which they never punted. So before we get into that silly goat conversation, know that Brady's superpower was the ability when he had the second best roster, and we never thought, I mean New England constantly do your job, it's about the team. They moved off really good players. They didn't have a stacked roster. The Randy Moss team felt a little stacked offensively and they never won a ring. But the early Brady, in the late Brady, in the Tampa Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage, moving the chains. Often when you had an offensive line that was struggling or under duress or was being overwhelmed. Two weeks with Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like I got a second pitch. You don't always get a full house. Brady has never been that bad in a big game, and at least when he struggled and he had picked sixes in Super Bowls, you felt there was a sense he was getting the most out of his roster. If you look at the clear stats now of Mahomes and Brady in Super Bowls, Let's be totally honest about this, Brad, he is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid eighties. That's what it is. Eighty six point nine, ten touchdowns, seven picks, that's with two weeks to prepare. And that's with Andy Reid. And again nobody's denying. Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady faced that Seattle defense too, and he just kept manipulating and manipulating and manipulating, and he trailed and he was behind, and it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's all he had, and he just put his team in a position to win. Yes, yes, yes he had to rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position to be competitive. I mean, I felt like I was watching the same play over and over and over thirty four nothing, And I never felt like that with Brady. Here's Mahomes after.

So let's talk Patrick Mahomes. For the record, He's now just three and two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady lost three of them by a total combined fifteen points. Patrick Mahomes has lost two and the point differential is minus forty and he has trailed in all five Super Bowls. And what really disappointed me he never manipulated the game. He got rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game, and had no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways, even when he had the second best roster in a Super Bowl, he found ways at the line of scrimmage to manipulate a defense, move the chains, at least be viable in field position. Anybody can win. Let's be honest. With a full house or pocket aces, can you win when you got a pair of sevens? And I felt multiple times in AFC Championships or Super Bowls that Brady actually had the second best roster and had to massage it and manipulate it and move the chains with his pre snap excellence. With Mahomes two weeks to prepare with Andy Reid, it feels like they had no second pitch and his special secret power has always been his legs, and once Philadelphia took that away, there was nothing else there. I don't remember Tom ever trailing thirty four to zero in any game. And in the one Super Bowl where Brady was getting rolled twenty eight to three, he came back to win again. Brady had bad plays, bad quarters, a bad half, bad moments. This was just awful. In fact, Brady's biggest Super Bowl loss was that one possession game to the Eagles in which they never punted. So before we get into that silly goat conversation, know that Brady's superpower was the ability when he had the second best roster, and we never thought, I mean New England constantly do your job, it's about the team. They moved off really good players. They didn't have a stacked roster. The Randy Moss team felt a little stacked offensively and they never won a ring. But the early Brady, in the late Brady, in the Tampa Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage, moving the chains. Often when you had an offensive line that was struggling or under duress or was being overwhelmed. Two weeks with Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like I got a second pitch. You don't always get a full house. Brady has never been that bad in a big game, and at least when he struggled and he had picked sixes in Super Bowls, you felt there was a sense he was getting the most out of his roster. If you look at the clear stats now of Mahomes and Brady in Super Bowls, Let's be totally honest about this, Brad, he is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid eighties. That's what it is. Eighty six point nine, ten touchdowns, seven picks, that's with two weeks to prepare. And that's with Andy Reid. And again nobody's denying. Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady faced that Seattle defense too, and he just kept manipulating and manipulating and manipulating, and he trailed and he was behind, and it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's all he had, and he just put his team in a position to win. Yes, yes, yes he had to rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position to be competitive. I mean, I felt like I was watching the same play over and over and over thirty four nothing, And I never felt like that with Brady. Here's Mahomes after.

That's the beauty of football is that you never can be satisfied with just going out there and playing and thinking you're gonna have success year in and year out. These defenses are going to continue to get better and better, and so I have to get better, and so I take a lot of ownership in that and I want to hopefully come back and play better football.

That's the beauty of football is that you never can be satisfied with just going out there and playing and thinking you're gonna have success year in and year out. These defenses are going to continue to get better and better, and so I have to get better, and so I take a lot of ownership in that and I want to hopefully come back and play better football.

You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on my show Friday in New Orleans and we broke this very subject. And it's interesting because you know, we all know this is there are very few great rosters in the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid seventies, like, you just can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana, Bill Walsh forty nine Ers, where you're like I don't think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract, You're like, this is insane. Or like when Brock Purty's first year when Sandford just go didn't have to pay him because he was a seventh round quarterback, and you're like, this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great, and had they won this, I get it. But there is the art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday on the show My.

You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on my show Friday in New Orleans and we broke this very subject. And it's interesting because you know, we all know this is there are very few great rosters in the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid seventies, like, you just can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana, Bill Walsh forty nine Ers, where you're like I don't think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract, You're like, this is insane. Or like when Brock Purty's first year when Sandford just go didn't have to pay him because he was a seventh round quarterback, and you're like, this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great, and had they won this, I get it. But there is the art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday on the show My.

Last year, in My Last super Bowl is a part of I was two weeks to watch in film Friday night.

Last year, in My Last super Bowl is a part of I was two weeks to watch in film Friday night.

I was just going through the film more.

I was just going through the film more.

I knew Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves. I had the answers to the test. That's where I was great. That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't how fast I could run, it was how fast I could diagnose what they were doing. What's the special quality? What's the Internet speed of me as a quarterback?

I knew Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves. I had the answers to the test. That's where I was great. That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't how fast I could run, it was how fast I could diagnose what they were doing. What's the special quality? What's the Internet speed of me as a quarterback?

Fast as Yes, he was starlink before starlink, And that's what disappointed me. It's not losing. There is no shame in losing to Philadelphia. J Mack kept telling me all week that defensive lines trouble, and I kept thinking, Joe Toney and Creat Humphreys, they'll be fine. It's Mahomes, it's Andy Alpha bye. But I you know, and this is not to just dump on Mahomes, but he's gotten a lot of praise for years, but watching that game made me realize how great Brady was. Peyton Manning was completely undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him. Mahomes was completely undone by the Eagles defense. Now Brady found ways to beat a Seahawks team Manning great, Mahomes great, That's that's Brady. A lot of you guys play poker. You can't just win when you have the best hand. It is about constantly bluffing and manipulating and trying to marginalize their best and elevate yours. And I came out out of that game thinking, did we ever get how good Tom was? And I'm not saying that, listen, I'm not saying that because he works for the company, But boy, when you watch that game, I felt like Kansas City had the same play and they run it twenty eight times. It is what you do before the ball is snapped. It can't just be that's cfr left tackle can block him this time. The answers no for three and a half hours. J Matt, good stuff. Congratulations you kept You know, over the course of a season, we go about fifty to fifty. I'm yelling at you and you're yelling at me, But I could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive that early that well, you know, it's funny. There were parts of that game and I forget if it was like seventeen nothing and I'm like, it feels like it's thirty eight nothing, and then all of a sudden, the damn breaks. Like I thought, Kansas City's defense did all it could considering they were it was three out, three and out, three and out, and Kansas City's defense is essentially really for a half, maybe maybe half and half a quarter, like they were really doing as good as they could do. But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was mostly and when it didn't the next play did they just they There is something to be said. I know it's not just talent, but there is something to be said that if I have overwhelming talent, and I'm smartly coached and smartly quarterback. It's hard to beat there.

Fast as Yes, he was starlink before starlink, And that's what disappointed me. It's not losing. There is no shame in losing to Philadelphia. J Mack kept telling me all week that defensive lines trouble, and I kept thinking, Joe Toney and Creat Humphreys, they'll be fine. It's Mahomes, it's Andy Alpha bye. But I you know, and this is not to just dump on Mahomes, but he's gotten a lot of praise for years, but watching that game made me realize how great Brady was. Peyton Manning was completely undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him. Mahomes was completely undone by the Eagles defense. Now Brady found ways to beat a Seahawks team Manning great, Mahomes great, That's that's Brady. A lot of you guys play poker. You can't just win when you have the best hand. It is about constantly bluffing and manipulating and trying to marginalize their best and elevate yours. And I came out out of that game thinking, did we ever get how good Tom was? And I'm not saying that, listen, I'm not saying that because he works for the company, But boy, when you watch that game, I felt like Kansas City had the same play and they run it twenty eight times. It is what you do before the ball is snapped. It can't just be that's cfr left tackle can block him this time. The answers no for three and a half hours. J Matt, good stuff. Congratulations you kept You know, over the course of a season, we go about fifty to fifty. I'm yelling at you and you're yelling at me, But I could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive that early that well, you know, it's funny. There were parts of that game and I forget if it was like seventeen nothing and I'm like, it feels like it's thirty eight nothing, and then all of a sudden, the damn breaks. Like I thought, Kansas City's defense did all it could considering they were it was three out, three and out, three and out, and Kansas City's defense is essentially really for a half, maybe maybe half and half a quarter, like they were really doing as good as they could do. But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was mostly and when it didn't the next play did they just they There is something to be said. I know it's not just talent, but there is something to be said that if I have overwhelming talent, and I'm smartly coached and smartly quarterback. It's hard to beat there.

I saw a joke that you know, Serena Williams participated in the half times he did some dance and I saw stat that she had more yards than that she's had in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin, I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket. You know, I remember the Samtarnald with the Jets. It felt like Mahomes did not know what was going on. He was anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles never blitzed all night, didn't want blitz once they were getting home before and he looked totally rattled. I've never seen him that bad. The Super Bowl against the Bucks. He was under pressure running for his life that.

I saw a joke that you know, Serena Williams participated in the half times he did some dance and I saw stat that she had more yards than that she's had in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin, I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket. You know, I remember the Samtarnald with the Jets. It felt like Mahomes did not know what was going on. He was anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles never blitzed all night, didn't want blitz once they were getting home before and he looked totally rattled. I've never seen him that bad. The Super Bowl against the Bucks. He was under pressure running for his life that.

He lost a left tackle late in the season and I almost gave him a pass on that one. This is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia team lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean, if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting, and this is why football is so great and baseball has this too. Be very careful about September and October judging this Philadelphia team could not score in the first quarter for like the it felt like the first until Thanksgiving and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how, But it takes time to figure out what you can do. And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts and I want to talk about that coming up live in Los Angeles, It's the Hurt.

He lost a left tackle late in the season and I almost gave him a pass on that one. This is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia team lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean, if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting, and this is why football is so great and baseball has this too. Be very careful about September and October judging this Philadelphia team could not score in the first quarter for like the it felt like the first until Thanksgiving and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how, But it takes time to figure out what you can do. And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts and I want to talk about that coming up live in Los Angeles, It's the Hurt.

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Welcome Back. You know, my entire career, I have said things about quarterbacks that I care about your temperament? Are you good at the podium? Had on forward? You know? And I get a lot of pushback, but my point being in the bigger picture is uh, it's not just about reading defense. It's about it's about reading the room and the temperature of the locker room. And I don't think it's any coincidence that Jalen Hurts is the son of two educators. I don't think it's a co warden coincidence that he's the son of a football coach. His temperament, his maturity, He always takes the high road, whether winning a Super Bowl or getting bench at Alabama. And I think leadership, podium, all this stuff, temperament, self awareness matters. Forget the passing and running. He is the dictionary of what winning is in the NFL. In his Super Bowl career, his numbers are incredible. One hundred and nine and a half passer rating, seventy three percent completion percentage. It's almost as if he works out the Kings in the regular season. That deep bawl to Devonte Smith was won for the ages. I find him such an easy guy to root for. A second round pick. Doubted Bench had to transfer. He's just, you know, and I've been on this for years. It can't just be about you've got a good arm. It's about as much how you handle adversity being a quarterback as it is how you have handle of blitz. And I just think he's a special kid, real yards in real crisis. And the fact that his arguably the two best games he's ever played as a pro have come in Super Bowls. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it speaks volumes. I think he's got a great inner scoreboard. He doesn't need to project, he doesn't need to pretend. He's just such a perfect temperament as this sport. And think about Philadelphia, one of the loudest, most relentless, toughest, most demanding medias in the country. They I mean, they love their team. Sometimes it's overboard. And here is this quiet, steady rock who plays his best games in the most distracted, loudest moments. They say, iron sharpens iron, and he is a super Bowl anvil. And here he is after you said after Super Bowl fifty seven, you.

Welcome Back. You know, my entire career, I have said things about quarterbacks that I care about your temperament? Are you good at the podium? Had on forward? You know? And I get a lot of pushback, but my point being in the bigger picture is uh, it's not just about reading defense. It's about it's about reading the room and the temperature of the locker room. And I don't think it's any coincidence that Jalen Hurts is the son of two educators. I don't think it's a co warden coincidence that he's the son of a football coach. His temperament, his maturity, He always takes the high road, whether winning a Super Bowl or getting bench at Alabama. And I think leadership, podium, all this stuff, temperament, self awareness matters. Forget the passing and running. He is the dictionary of what winning is in the NFL. In his Super Bowl career, his numbers are incredible. One hundred and nine and a half passer rating, seventy three percent completion percentage. It's almost as if he works out the Kings in the regular season. That deep bawl to Devonte Smith was won for the ages. I find him such an easy guy to root for. A second round pick. Doubted Bench had to transfer. He's just, you know, and I've been on this for years. It can't just be about you've got a good arm. It's about as much how you handle adversity being a quarterback as it is how you have handle of blitz. And I just think he's a special kid, real yards in real crisis. And the fact that his arguably the two best games he's ever played as a pro have come in Super Bowls. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it speaks volumes. I think he's got a great inner scoreboard. He doesn't need to project, he doesn't need to pretend. He's just such a perfect temperament as this sport. And think about Philadelphia, one of the loudest, most relentless, toughest, most demanding medias in the country. They I mean, they love their team. Sometimes it's overboard. And here is this quiet, steady rock who plays his best games in the most distracted, loudest moments. They say, iron sharpens iron, and he is a super Bowl anvil. And here he is after you said after Super Bowl fifty seven, you.

Sat in the locker room, and he thought to himself, I'll be back.

Sat in the locker room, and he thought to himself, I'll be back.

He got back, and now you're a champion. How does that feel?

He got back, and now you're a champion. How does that feel?

Well, personally myself, I've just been able to use every experience and learn from it. The good the bad, all love it, using it as too.

Well, personally myself, I've just been able to use every experience and learn from it. The good the bad, all love it, using it as too.

So pursue my own greatness.

So pursue my own greatness.

And I think I couldn't do in any of these things without the guys around me. You know, we got it. We had a special group this year. We were able to learn from the past and get some get some nice new pieces and get over that home.

And I think I couldn't do in any of these things without the guys around me. You know, we got it. We had a special group this year. We were able to learn from the past and get some get some nice new pieces and get over that home.

There were times he felt like like the adult in the room, not the head coach, which is why this team. It's and we've noted this several times, they're kind of hard to get your arms around. You got position coaches firing back at the head coach. But the adult in the room, it's the young quarterback. That's what it feels like. And that's not a shot at SERIONI. He's just highly emotional and there are advantages. You know, whenever a quarterback falls in the draft, we lament what what what an embarrassing situation it is for the quarterback. But I will tell you falling in the draft and ending up with Howie Roseman as your general manager has really worked. And I'm saying this kid in this city, in this environment, with the intensity of Philadelphia, I did have him in my top ten.

There were times he felt like like the adult in the room, not the head coach, which is why this team. It's and we've noted this several times, they're kind of hard to get your arms around. You got position coaches firing back at the head coach. But the adult in the room, it's the young quarterback. That's what it feels like. And that's not a shot at SERIONI. He's just highly emotional and there are advantages. You know, whenever a quarterback falls in the draft, we lament what what what an embarrassing situation it is for the quarterback. But I will tell you falling in the draft and ending up with Howie Roseman as your general manager has really worked. And I'm saying this kid in this city, in this environment, with the intensity of Philadelphia, I did have him in my top ten.

I had him ten.

I had him ten.

I'm gonna move him.

I'm gonna move him.

Up to six.

Up to six.

Good for him, easy guy to root for. J Mack with the news.

Good for him, easy guy to root for. J Mack with the news.

No, no, no, this is the herdline news.

No, no, no, this is the herdline news.

Joe Toney, who couldn't block me last night.

Joe Toney, who couldn't block me last night.

He's still had a jail and hurt something. And they were they were they were moving and listen you you know what Kansas City's gonna draft ye left tackle. I mean, there's no question what Philadelphia has all sorts of moves they can make. They have a stacked and a full and complete roster, and they're paying everybody, and somehow it works. Kansas City has got to get a big time running back and a big time left tackle. It's musical chairs at left tackle and musical chairs in Kareem Hunt and Isaiah check out running back. It's just not good enough.

He's still had a jail and hurt something. And they were they were they were moving and listen you you know what Kansas City's gonna draft ye left tackle. I mean, there's no question what Philadelphia has all sorts of moves they can make. They have a stacked and a full and complete roster, and they're paying everybody, and somehow it works. Kansas City has got to get a big time running back and a big time left tackle. It's musical chairs at left tackle and musical chairs in Kareem Hunt and Isaiah check out running back. It's just not good enough.

Remember that there was a report that Tray Smith, I believe the inside lineman is gonna get offers from several teams, and the Chiefs are probably gonna have to let him go because it's tough to keep everybody. Gonna be fun off season for KC. But let's focus on the Eagles. Colin avenging their Super Bowl fifty seven loss with a dominant performance against the two time defending champs. Now this is interesting. Ahead of the game, Sean McVay was on the Fox pregame and discussed how Nick Sirianni does not get enough credit for what he's accomplished.

Remember that there was a report that Tray Smith, I believe the inside lineman is gonna get offers from several teams, and the Chiefs are probably gonna have to let him go because it's tough to keep everybody. Gonna be fun off season for KC. But let's focus on the Eagles. Colin avenging their Super Bowl fifty seven loss with a dominant performance against the two time defending champs. Now this is interesting. Ahead of the game, Sean McVay was on the Fox pregame and discussed how Nick Sirianni does not get enough credit for what he's accomplished.

I think he's the most disrespected coach in the league. For a guy that's making his second Super Bowl appearance, He's made the playoffs all four years of his tenure. He's got an authentic energy that I think his players feed.

I think he's the most disrespected coach in the league. For a guy that's making his second Super Bowl appearance, He's made the playoffs all four years of his tenure. He's got an authentic energy that I think his players feed.

Off of him.

Off of him.

There's a toughness, there's a style of play that you see from these guys. That's why they're in this position to be able to go win one tonight.

There's a toughness, there's a style of play that you see from these guys. That's why they're in this position to be able to go win one tonight.

I think that's two words that are very important. Authentic energy, because Matt Hasselbeck, who's coming on top of the hour, Hasselbeck loves him, and Hasslebeck's a player, and so a lot of times all defer to a player, like what is it with this coach? I don't like the methods. I didn't love the methods initially of Dan Campbell. Right, we're like kind of cringey, kind of corny, biting off kneecaps. But it doesn't matter what the media thinks. It's what your players do. And he can battle with an assistant coach, he can battle with aj Brown. But in the end, in this intense environment, it works. You know, I've used a joke all the time. Everybody's got a friend a couple that they're constantly bickering, and yet they've been married thirty four years and you're like, man, this is not gonna work. And in the end, it's just the family and the love and they bicker, and that's part of the love. And Nick Siriani. I don't think this would work in a lot of places, but in Philadelphia, I think it works.

I think that's two words that are very important. Authentic energy, because Matt Hasselbeck, who's coming on top of the hour, Hasselbeck loves him, and Hasslebeck's a player, and so a lot of times all defer to a player, like what is it with this coach? I don't like the methods. I didn't love the methods initially of Dan Campbell. Right, we're like kind of cringey, kind of corny, biting off kneecaps. But it doesn't matter what the media thinks. It's what your players do. And he can battle with an assistant coach, he can battle with aj Brown. But in the end, in this intense environment, it works. You know, I've used a joke all the time. Everybody's got a friend a couple that they're constantly bickering, and yet they've been married thirty four years and you're like, man, this is not gonna work. And in the end, it's just the family and the love and they bicker, and that's part of the love. And Nick Siriani. I don't think this would work in a lot of places, but in Philadelphia, I think it works.

I think you're onto something. My kids were watching the game and they saw Aj Brown yell at Syriani I don't care off the field, he was like ticked off. I guess they had a miscommunication with Hertz.

I think you're onto something. My kids were watching the game and they saw Aj Brown yell at Syriani I don't care off the field, he was like ticked off. I guess they had a miscommunication with Hertz.

And my kids said, whoa, whoa, what's going on there.

And my kids said, whoa, whoa, what's going on there.

I was like, this is kind of the vibe on the team, like he's going to push back and against the players. And listen, this is four years now that he's been pretty successful. We got some numbers to post here. Sirianni third highest win percentage by head coaching in the Super Bowl era, Like Colin, that's pretty damn good. Like this guy's winning. This isn't a tiny sample size four seasons. Now, I think we need to remove the hey if things go sideways tag from Sirianni.

I was like, this is kind of the vibe on the team, like he's going to push back and against the players. And listen, this is four years now that he's been pretty successful. We got some numbers to post here. Sirianni third highest win percentage by head coaching in the Super Bowl era, Like Colin, that's pretty damn good. Like this guy's winning. This isn't a tiny sample size four seasons. Now, I think we need to remove the hey if things go sideways tag from Sirianni.

Now.

Now.

I think there's also a truth that he has been a little dependent on his coordinators. Like Sean McVay has lost a lot of coordinators. It doesn't matter Andy Reid's lost a ton of coordinators. It doesn't really matter. Nick lost Shane Steichen and it was a mess the next year. So he's a little more dependent on coordinators. But to his credit he and Howie two out of the three coordinators they picked have been great and worked.

I think there's also a truth that he has been a little dependent on his coordinators. Like Sean McVay has lost a lot of coordinators. It doesn't matter Andy Reid's lost a ton of coordinators. It doesn't really matter. Nick lost Shane Steichen and it was a mess the next year. So he's a little more dependent on coordinators. But to his credit he and Howie two out of the three coordinators they picked have been great and worked.

Now they're gonna lose Kellen Moore. It sounds like it's a FATA company. He's going to New Orleans. And I just will caution before there's any repeat, no nonsense. The Saquon Barkley, the numbers that he was carrying the football this year are highly significant and they correlate with injury for running backs. So just you know, goes out with Christian McCaffrey, right, heavy workload next season, what happens to get out.

Now they're gonna lose Kellen Moore. It sounds like it's a FATA company. He's going to New Orleans. And I just will caution before there's any repeat, no nonsense. The Saquon Barkley, the numbers that he was carrying the football this year are highly significant and they correlate with injury for running backs. So just you know, goes out with Christian McCaffrey, right, heavy workload next season, what happens to get out.

But this is a good point by you because you know on them day after the Super Bowl and a Super Bowl blot, I can remember thinking Seattle's gonna win for these things. I mean, if you go back to that Seattle team, they were young and bulldozing Peyton Manning and you're like and then all of a sudden, Russell and the team don't feel good. You lose a guy, there's an injury. What Philadelphia does have, however, because Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl and got run out. That's a couple of years later. What Philadelphia does have so many good young defensive players, so they feel like Kansas City about three years ago when they moved off Tyreek Hill and they hit on a bunch of draft picks on the defensive side. And it's just going to keep you in games. If you lose your right tackle, you lose Saquon Barkley. This defense, I mean Mahomes, there was no room. In fact, at one point I was watching one of the overhead camera views. These corners for Philadelphia were staying on Kansas City receivers down the field thirty yards. They couldn't get separation thirty yards down the field.

But this is a good point by you because you know on them day after the Super Bowl and a Super Bowl blot, I can remember thinking Seattle's gonna win for these things. I mean, if you go back to that Seattle team, they were young and bulldozing Peyton Manning and you're like and then all of a sudden, Russell and the team don't feel good. You lose a guy, there's an injury. What Philadelphia does have, however, because Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl and got run out. That's a couple of years later. What Philadelphia does have so many good young defensive players, so they feel like Kansas City about three years ago when they moved off Tyreek Hill and they hit on a bunch of draft picks on the defensive side. And it's just going to keep you in games. If you lose your right tackle, you lose Saquon Barkley. This defense, I mean Mahomes, there was no room. In fact, at one point I was watching one of the overhead camera views. These corners for Philadelphia were staying on Kansas City receivers down the field thirty yards. They couldn't get separation thirty yards down the field.

The only long touchdown was against a backup. He was in there against Worthy in the final minutes. Next up, Colin Hey, listen, we got to talk about another green team from the northeast New York Jets, and they got absolutely terrific news over the weekend, Jay Glazer reports Aaron Rodgers. The Jets are moving on from the embattled QB. Glazer added that Rogers flew back to Jersey last week on his own dime to meet with the team about his future, and they told him, thank you for your service. Earon, that's a rap glazier insinuator. Rodgers does want to continue playing. We have some odds for his next team. Listen, the Raiders are plus two hundred mildly interesting. Steelers plus three hundred is a little more interesting. There's apparently Zach the producer tells me that there's a bit of a bromance between Tomlin and Rogers, the history of quotes between the two. I don't see it.

The only long touchdown was against a backup. He was in there against Worthy in the final minutes. Next up, Colin Hey, listen, we got to talk about another green team from the northeast New York Jets, and they got absolutely terrific news over the weekend, Jay Glazer reports Aaron Rodgers. The Jets are moving on from the embattled QB. Glazer added that Rogers flew back to Jersey last week on his own dime to meet with the team about his future, and they told him, thank you for your service. Earon, that's a rap glazier insinuator. Rodgers does want to continue playing. We have some odds for his next team. Listen, the Raiders are plus two hundred mildly interesting. Steelers plus three hundred is a little more interesting. There's apparently Zach the producer tells me that there's a bit of a bromance between Tomlin and Rogers, the history of quotes between the two. I don't see it.

I just ran into Chip Kelly over the weekend, who's now the new offensive coordinator with the Raiders. Now this happened after I ran into a chip. My guess is that this is not information I got. I think they'd like to start over at quarterback. I think you pointed this out. I thought Aaron played very well down the stretch, and I did think they'd keep him. But he's about the fifteenth best quarterback in the league, and that would be fine if you're Kirk Cousins and there's no drama. Yeah, and you're a great locker room guy and a great teammate. We now have two teams, both the Packers and the Jets dumped Aaron. Aaron did not think he was getting dumped, he flew out east, according to Jay Laser, with the idea I'm coming back, and they dumped him, I said, and Green Bay after that darkness retreat, he was surprised they dumped him. So Aaron, who has a pension for having me the smartest guy in the room, lacks a little self awareness on himself. He has been dumped twice, surprised both times. It's mirror time or its retirement time?

I just ran into Chip Kelly over the weekend, who's now the new offensive coordinator with the Raiders. Now this happened after I ran into a chip. My guess is that this is not information I got. I think they'd like to start over at quarterback. I think you pointed this out. I thought Aaron played very well down the stretch, and I did think they'd keep him. But he's about the fifteenth best quarterback in the league, and that would be fine if you're Kirk Cousins and there's no drama. Yeah, and you're a great locker room guy and a great teammate. We now have two teams, both the Packers and the Jets dumped Aaron. Aaron did not think he was getting dumped, he flew out east, according to Jay Laser, with the idea I'm coming back, and they dumped him, I said, and Green Bay after that darkness retreat, he was surprised they dumped him. So Aaron, who has a pension for having me the smartest guy in the room, lacks a little self awareness on himself. He has been dumped twice, surprised both times. It's mirror time or its retirement time?

Is this a wake up club? Do you think he will see the light now or no?

Is this a wake up club? Do you think he will see the light now or no?

I think this is what he is. Okay, yeah, I just I but but it just let's be we're not taking sides here. Aaron Rodgers, two separate times, has been surprised that a team dumped him. If you keep getting dumped to little Russell Wilson here, Aaron never liked Russ right like they He kind of rolls his eyes at it. Russ and Aaron have a lot in common.

I think this is what he is. Okay, yeah, I just I but but it just let's be we're not taking sides here. Aaron Rodgers, two separate times, has been surprised that a team dumped him. If you keep getting dumped to little Russell Wilson here, Aaron never liked Russ right like they He kind of rolls his eyes at it. Russ and Aaron have a lot in common.

Davie, let me give you two more forty nine ers or plus four hundred listen the brock perty at sixty mil or do you rent Rogers for a year? I don't know the answer to that.

Davie, let me give you two more forty nine ers or plus four hundred listen the brock perty at sixty mil or do you rent Rogers for a year? I don't know the answer to that.

You know, that's that's that's more interesting that that's a really good topic someday.

You know, that's that's that's more interesting that that's a really good topic someday.

Well, let me give you the other one. And we touched on this last week at the super Bowl. You and I both heard this. Matt Stafford unhappy with his salary situation, Rams and less sneak holding firm. There's a world where Matt Stafford ends up on the New York Giants. That then opens the door potentially for Aaron Rodgers and McVeigh to join forces with the Rams. Again, this is just speculation, but we just saw crazy NBA trade. I would not be shocked in the NFL if we're seeing some.

Well, let me give you the other one. And we touched on this last week at the super Bowl. You and I both heard this. Matt Stafford unhappy with his salary situation, Rams and less sneak holding firm. There's a world where Matt Stafford ends up on the New York Giants. That then opens the door potentially for Aaron Rodgers and McVeigh to join forces with the Rams. Again, this is just speculation, but we just saw crazy NBA trade. I would not be shocked in the NFL if we're seeing some.

Oh my god, Russell Wilson, jam Mack Brady was on our team. Stafford was on our team. Aaron Rodgers on our team. Russell Wilson left for Denver. You're gonna get a star. That's Crazy's gonna happen here. Also, also, this is what's gonna be fun this offseason when you start looking at what Philadelphia did to Kansas City humiliate them. Philadelphia has such a reservoir of talent. I think it's gonna make teams like Buffalo and Green Bay go if we have to meet this Philadelphia team. We need more Hall of Fame level players. Miles Garrett was a winner this weekend. Oh that's a good one, Miles Garrett. If you're Buffalo, you're Baltimore, you're Detroit, you're Green Bay, you're the Ram and you're looking at Philadelphia's defensive line and offensive line, you can't you can't catch up during the draft. You you have to go get a Hall of Fame. And I've said this with Miles Garrett. He may not be Lawrence Taylor, but he's our Lawrence Taylor.

Oh my god, Russell Wilson, jam Mack Brady was on our team. Stafford was on our team. Aaron Rodgers on our team. Russell Wilson left for Denver. You're gonna get a star. That's Crazy's gonna happen here. Also, also, this is what's gonna be fun this offseason when you start looking at what Philadelphia did to Kansas City humiliate them. Philadelphia has such a reservoir of talent. I think it's gonna make teams like Buffalo and Green Bay go if we have to meet this Philadelphia team. We need more Hall of Fame level players. Miles Garrett was a winner this weekend. Oh that's a good one, Miles Garrett. If you're Buffalo, you're Baltimore, you're Detroit, you're Green Bay, you're the Ram and you're looking at Philadelphia's defensive line and offensive line, you can't you can't catch up during the draft. You you have to go get a Hall of Fame. And I've said this with Miles Garrett. He may not be Lawrence Taylor, but he's our Lawrence Taylor.

By the way, you mentioned Buffalo. Could the Bills have given the Eagles a game last night or the Ravens.

By the way, you mentioned Buffalo. Could the Bills have given the Eagles a game last night or the Ravens.

It's really interesting you said that. First of all, I think Kansas City has more good players than Buffalo, but but it did not. It wasn't lost on me that the left tackle is so good for the Bills.

It's really interesting you said that. First of all, I think Kansas City has more good players than Buffalo, but but it did not. It wasn't lost on me that the left tackle is so good for the Bills.

Oh Dawkins.

Oh Dawkins.

Yeah, yeah, he's a Pro Bowler. So I thought to myself their offensive line this year. I thought Buffalo's was better than Kansas City's. And I thought, and Josh Allen's just a bigger, you know, bigger athlete. My takeaway was Buffalo would have matched up better by.

Yeah, yeah, he's a Pro Bowler. So I thought to myself their offensive line this year. I thought Buffalo's was better than Kansas City's. And I thought, and Josh Allen's just a bigger, you know, bigger athlete. My takeaway was Buffalo would have matched up better by.

The way we saw the Ravens against the Eagles. Eagles destroyed them in Baltimore. Close, close ish game. Anyways, final story, Another guy on the move, Deebo Samuel Colin. He has requested a trade for the second time in the last three seasons, and the Niners are more than willing to accommodate his request. Debo Toll reporters yesterday that the team has granted he and his agent permission.

The way we saw the Ravens against the Eagles. Eagles destroyed them in Baltimore. Close, close ish game. Anyways, final story, Another guy on the move, Deebo Samuel Colin. He has requested a trade for the second time in the last three seasons, and the Niners are more than willing to accommodate his request. Debo Toll reporters yesterday that the team has granted he and his agent permission.

To find a trade partner.

To find a trade partner.

Now, this is gonna be a bit of a salary cap situation if they trade him before June first, thirty one point five million dollars dead money cap hit. He's doing a fifteen million dollars roster bonus on March twenty second. So Colin, have we learned I'm a Deebo s Danuel guy. It did not go well f him this year. We do have some good teams on this one. And you floated Washington maybe a couple months ago. I'm just telling Devo with Cliff Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaurin.

Now, this is gonna be a bit of a salary cap situation if they trade him before June first, thirty one point five million dollars dead money cap hit. He's doing a fifteen million dollars roster bonus on March twenty second. So Colin, have we learned I'm a Deebo s Danuel guy. It did not go well f him this year. We do have some good teams on this one. And you floated Washington maybe a couple months ago. I'm just telling Devo with Cliff Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaurin.

Well, again, when you're watching Philadelphia and you're Washington, can you catch up to Philadelphia with a draft? No, it's not a strong draft. So if I'm Washington and I watched that last night and I just got housed by Philadelphia. My take is, are we and on the Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett and and Deebo Samuel. I mean, you can say what you want, You're not gonna catch up to phil I mean Dallas is hope. Dallas is eight players away forget because they're average at quarterback. But you start looking at Terry McLaurin, and you look at Jayden Daniels and you're like, okay, now you give me Deebo, you have another good draft. You give me Miles Garrett. I can make it interesting. I think Philadelphia that dominance is going to resonate on draft weekend.

Well, again, when you're watching Philadelphia and you're Washington, can you catch up to Philadelphia with a draft? No, it's not a strong draft. So if I'm Washington and I watched that last night and I just got housed by Philadelphia. My take is, are we and on the Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett and and Deebo Samuel. I mean, you can say what you want, You're not gonna catch up to phil I mean Dallas is hope. Dallas is eight players away forget because they're average at quarterback. But you start looking at Terry McLaurin, and you look at Jayden Daniels and you're like, okay, now you give me Deebo, you have another good draft. You give me Miles Garrett. I can make it interesting. I think Philadelphia that dominance is going to resonate on draft weekend.

All in two more quick ones for Debo the Texans. Diggs is gonna be gone Houston. Texans kind of needs something. They need some pop.

All in two more quick ones for Debo the Texans. Diggs is gonna be gone Houston. Texans kind of needs something. They need some pop.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Do you you think he fits with Nico Collins, Stretcher Field, Deebo underneath Joe Mixon?

Do you you think he fits with Nico Collins, Stretcher Field, Deebo underneath Joe Mixon?

Does that do?

Does that do?

Okay? Final one is the New England Patriots your team of destiny for next season?

Okay? Final one is the New England Patriots your team of destiny for next season?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Does he fit that Rabel culture? No nonsense, not looking for any fall in line. No, I'm trying to help your patriots.

Does he fit that Rabel culture? No nonsense, not looking for any fall in line. No, I'm trying to help your patriots.

They need help.

They need help.

By the way, By the way, they did pass the Jets when Rogers stepped down. Jets have no quarterbacks.

By the way, By the way, they did pass the Jets when Rogers stepped down. Jets have no quarterbacks.

I will say this as well. You know how they said a dog is man's best friend. You want to who a quarterbacks beat friend is? Running back in O line? Can we once again acknowledge that wide receivers, especially star receivers, the juice isn't worth the squeeze a lot. I can give you about seven examples in the last two years where it's not worth it's not worth the squeeze, and that is near the top of the list. And for well Stefon Diggs and I like Stefon Diggs, but you Devonte Adams, what did need? And I like Davonte Adams, but I'm saying the understated productive receiver Terry McLaurin feels like it's rare running back O line. That is a quarterback's best friend, not a receiver who needs the ball and needs looks constantly J Mack with a news.

I will say this as well. You know how they said a dog is man's best friend. You want to who a quarterbacks beat friend is? Running back in O line? Can we once again acknowledge that wide receivers, especially star receivers, the juice isn't worth the squeeze a lot. I can give you about seven examples in the last two years where it's not worth it's not worth the squeeze, and that is near the top of the list. And for well Stefon Diggs and I like Stefon Diggs, but you Devonte Adams, what did need? And I like Davonte Adams, but I'm saying the understated productive receiver Terry McLaurin feels like it's rare running back O line. That is a quarterback's best friend, not a receiver who needs the ball and needs looks constantly J Mack with a news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.

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Media that's Cavino and Rich. Well, let's talk about something that may be uncomfortable. What's the world saw something and heard something. We'll get to that in a second. Because you deserve it, and I think it's good for the NFL. I think, uh, there's no luck, bottom line, owner, gm coch quarterback, good people, the fans care, they're all in it. It just goes to prove to be a champion. You got to beat the crap out of a champion.

Media that's Cavino and Rich. Well, let's talk about something that may be uncomfortable. What's the world saw something and heard something. We'll get to that in a second. Because you deserve it, and I think it's good for the NFL. I think, uh, there's no luck, bottom line, owner, gm coch quarterback, good people, the fans care, they're all in it. It just goes to prove to be a champion. You got to beat the crap out of a champion.

That's right.

That's right.

But I want to talk about this and you can tell me if I'm wrong. Tom Brady never trails thirty four nothing, And there were Super Bowls he acknowledged in one of his Super Bowls, the old I can't I don't get time. I'm just gonna dump it off to James White over and overnight something. And I think Tom always found a way, even with a bad poker hand, to move the change. He may not give you thirty, but he'd keep your damn offense off the field. He'd keep his defense off the field.

But I want to talk about this and you can tell me if I'm wrong. Tom Brady never trails thirty four nothing, And there were Super Bowls he acknowledged in one of his Super Bowls, the old I can't I don't get time. I'm just gonna dump it off to James White over and overnight something. And I think Tom always found a way, even with a bad poker hand, to move the change. He may not give you thirty, but he'd keep your damn offense off the field. He'd keep his defense off the field.

Mahomes was awful, most bad.

Mahomes was awful, most bad.

That's last game, I mean is the what's the gap Brady and Mahomes.

That's last game, I mean is the what's the gap Brady and Mahomes.

So before this game I was a big guy saying, hey, this gap is closer than which people think, right and all the success that past Maholmes has been doing lately the team and I played with Pat, you know, so I know him and him and Tom had shared that same winning genu. Okay, I'm gonna get it done. But watching this game last night gets the Eagles. First of all, there was a lot of because everybody's gonna say, oh, the lazy thing is the line of him blocked right, and they were getting beat on who some of them plays though he kind of come to step up in the pocket. I think he kind of got routed in the pocket right he did. He was moving so much and you throwing picks, sixes and etcetera, and throwing picks. So when I look at Tom Brady, where Okay, things are not going my way. If blocking the same way, I gotta do something. I can't just sit here and get blown blown out. I'm the greatest, and Tom would never had a game like this because he eoul the found ways. Okay, we do't up to the running backs. Right, We're gonna make this game as boring as possible. Now, we're gonna get a hole much of second and Five's right, second and six, and we're gonna make this game manageable until the defense does some differently, because if you really watch the Eagles, they didn't really do much on defense.

So before this game I was a big guy saying, hey, this gap is closer than which people think, right and all the success that past Maholmes has been doing lately the team and I played with Pat, you know, so I know him and him and Tom had shared that same winning genu. Okay, I'm gonna get it done. But watching this game last night gets the Eagles. First of all, there was a lot of because everybody's gonna say, oh, the lazy thing is the line of him blocked right, and they were getting beat on who some of them plays though he kind of come to step up in the pocket. I think he kind of got routed in the pocket right he did. He was moving so much and you throwing picks, sixes and etcetera, and throwing picks. So when I look at Tom Brady, where Okay, things are not going my way. If blocking the same way, I gotta do something. I can't just sit here and get blown blown out. I'm the greatest, and Tom would never had a game like this because he eoul the found ways. Okay, we do't up to the running backs. Right, We're gonna make this game as boring as possible. Now, we're gonna get a hole much of second and Five's right, second and six, and we're gonna make this game manageable until the defense does some differently, because if you really watch the Eagles, they didn't really do much on defense.

They rushed four and they kept everything in front of them. No, they they it was an indictment. And in fairness, we knew the Eagles because I've been saving this all year and I said this about five different times in the last three weeks. There are drives when I look at Philadelphia and I think, how do they ever punt? Because they's just so loaded tight ends guards. I mean, it just relentless. There is something to be said about Jalen Hurts two best games as a proper Yeah what does that say?

They rushed four and they kept everything in front of them. No, they they it was an indictment. And in fairness, we knew the Eagles because I've been saving this all year and I said this about five different times in the last three weeks. There are drives when I look at Philadelphia and I think, how do they ever punt? Because they's just so loaded tight ends guards. I mean, it just relentless. There is something to be said about Jalen Hurts two best games as a proper Yeah what does that say?

Yeah? See?

Yeah? See?

And it's funny because, like you know, I think Jalen Hurst right now going to change the narrative on quarterbacks.

And it's funny because, like you know, I think Jalen Hurst right now going to change the narrative on quarterbacks.

Right.

Right.

It's like it goes from we got to have the best attribute quarterback, we.

It's like it goes from we got to have the best attribute quarterback, we.

Gotta have this, we gotta have that.

Gotta have this, we gotta have that.

Now it's like, hey, man, we need to do with some heart like Jalen Hurts, Leadership like Jalen Hurts, and the winning factor. You know, when the stage is bright, right, he just gets brighter. I mean, he was making so many plays now, granted the defense played great.

Now it's like, hey, man, we need to do with some heart like Jalen Hurts, Leadership like Jalen Hurts, and the winning factor. You know, when the stage is bright, right, he just gets brighter. I mean, he was making so many plays now, granted the defense played great.

I don't want to take.

I don't want to take.

Anything from sideline route.

Anything from sideline route.

And that's another thing though, and then and then it's like he puts it together.

And that's another thing though, and then and then it's like he puts it together.

Though I'm throwing when I'm supposed to throw right, or running when I'm sposed to run because the running game was done last night, right, And.

Though I'm throwing when I'm supposed to throw right, or running when I'm sposed to run because the running game was done last night, right, And.

It's like if you told, Okay, we'll.

It's like if you told, Okay, we'll.

Win this game and blow him out and sat Quad doesn't do anything, nobody will believe that.

Win this game and blow him out and sat Quad doesn't do anything, nobody will believe that.

But Jalen Hurts.

But Jalen Hurts.

That's what I think about him, is like he plays this game the right way and it gets better, and he never gets like two up and down right, no matter if you say bad things about him or great things about him, he stays in his own lane. And he always says, hey, look, man, already had a purpose before you had an opinion, right, And I think he really lives by that because there's some games where hey, he throws for one hundred thirty yards, and there's some games he has and two hundred and almost.

That's what I think about him, is like he plays this game the right way and it gets better, and he never gets like two up and down right, no matter if you say bad things about him or great things about him, he stays in his own lane. And he always says, hey, look, man, already had a purpose before you had an opinion, right, And I think he really lives by that because there's some games where hey, he throws for one hundred thirty yards, and there's some games he has and two hundred and almost.

Thirty yards all purpose, and they blow him out.

Thirty yards all purpose, and they blow him out.

And always this, when Janelen Hurst plays well for this Eagles team, we blow teams out.

And always this, when Janelen Hurst plays well for this Eagles team, we blow teams out.

The best defensive football.

The best defensive football.

If you look at this supporting cast on offense, you won't find no better team with the best running in the back, two great Robert Sievers, and then the.

If you look at this supporting cast on offense, you won't find no better team with the best running in the back, two great Robert Sievers, and then the.

Best office line in football.

Best office line in football.

If you put all that together and Jena Hurst plays well, they blow teams out.

If you put all that together and Jena Hurst plays well, they blow teams out.

So you were in Philadelphia six years, so you know, wip.

So you were in Philadelphia six years, so you know, wip.

Oh one of my favorites.

Oh one of my favorites.

You know the loud nature of the city, and I have all years struggled a bit, in fact, the last couple of years with Nick Sirianni's methodology. I'm like, he's arguing on the sideline with position coaches, He's given fans crap. I'm like, you're not a radio caller the head coach of the Eagles, But could I argue that in this intense city that he is kind of Philly?

You know the loud nature of the city, and I have all years struggled a bit, in fact, the last couple of years with Nick Sirianni's methodology. I'm like, he's arguing on the sideline with position coaches, He's given fans crap. I'm like, you're not a radio caller the head coach of the Eagles, But could I argue that in this intense city that he is kind of Philly?

Yes, you need the way he is man.

Yes, you need the way he is man.

First of all, I have a great lationship with a lot of the players, right, and they all love Nick, all of them, right.

First of all, I have a great lationship with a lot of the players, right, and they all love Nick, all of them, right.

I love Nick.

I love Nick.

And the thing Nick is he don't care how it comes off, right, because that's who he is.

And the thing Nick is he don't care how it comes off, right, because that's who he is.

He argues with the.

He argues with the.

Opposing fans that that might get him going. There's some players like that, there's some coach like that. He's aggressive on certain damn third and fourth down, we go for it.

Opposing fans that that might get him going. There's some players like that, there's some coach like that. He's aggressive on certain damn third and fourth down, we go for it.

That's who he is.

That's who he is.

And I think if you don't really understand Hi, you don't like him. But for Philadelphia to City p Fidelphia, we love that. We love our coach and I'm happy he won his game because he don't get enough credit. Like he don't get enough credit and it's like every everything he does is win. And the thing is, he just won a super Bowl. But he's been a winning coaches. He's been there, and I think we get spoiled because he is so good, right, and he's okay with saying Jalen's great defensive, He's okay with doing that. But we gotta give more respect to Nick cianiccause he's doing a hell of a job.

And I think if you don't really understand Hi, you don't like him. But for Philadelphia to City p Fidelphia, we love that. We love our coach and I'm happy he won his game because he don't get enough credit. Like he don't get enough credit and it's like every everything he does is win. And the thing is, he just won a super Bowl. But he's been a winning coaches. He's been there, and I think we get spoiled because he is so good, right, and he's okay with saying Jalen's great defensive, He's okay with doing that. But we gotta give more respect to Nick cianiccause he's doing a hell of a job.

You know. The thing we all know that athletes in high school and college it's developed metal football, right, and we think when you get to the NFL, well you gotta be good. The truth is bond developed and it can be set as coaches. Nick's developed as a coach if you work hard, if you're willing to listen to others, and you have Howie Roseman the Lori's house is then just like a player, I think Nick's gotten better over time. He's made mistakes, he's fumbled, he's thrown picks like he's at bad days. But Philadelphia is not passive. Aggressive. Philadelphia will tell you when you screw up, and as long as you're willing, as long as you have the willingness to like, Okay, I screwed up.

You know. The thing we all know that athletes in high school and college it's developed metal football, right, and we think when you get to the NFL, well you gotta be good. The truth is bond developed and it can be set as coaches. Nick's developed as a coach if you work hard, if you're willing to listen to others, and you have Howie Roseman the Lori's house is then just like a player, I think Nick's gotten better over time. He's made mistakes, he's fumbled, he's thrown picks like he's at bad days. But Philadelphia is not passive. Aggressive. Philadelphia will tell you when you screw up, and as long as you're willing, as long as you have the willingness to like, Okay, I screwed up.

I owned it.

I owned it.

But every you know what though, you said that perfectly because always say this, Certain players, certain coaches cannot coach in Philadelphia, right like Vin Simmons was a really good player, but right with having that heart, having that thick skin.

But every you know what though, you said that perfectly because always say this, Certain players, certain coaches cannot coach in Philadelphia, right like Vin Simmons was a really good player, but right with having that heart, having that thick skin.

He had that So you you can't play here because the fans.

He had that So you you can't play here because the fans.

And goes, hey man, we're gonna hold you accountable, right, the papers, the radio stations, we gonna hold you accountable. And I see Nick Sirian, I see Andreyu when he was there.