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So before the draft, this was not This previous draft was not a good quarterback draft. There were two or three quarterbacks. The kid I liked was Malik Willis, and I just said, you know, you can see the special. You know, who knows if these guys hit or not. But I thought, you know, that's a bottom of the first round pick. We didn't go into like the third round. He did go to a good franchise. The Tennessee's are very very good franchise. They draft, they developed, they win a lot of games. But you know, it's really funny. He's got a huge arm. He's a special athlete. But he went to a small college. A lot of people did so to Cooper cop best receiver in the NFL, went to a small college. So all I heard about Malik Willis before the draft was what he can't do. He can't do this, he can't do that. But what I saw last night, what is what he can do make other pro athletes look really slow. So haven't we learned enough from Josh Allen who went to a small college, nobody recruited, amount of high school goes to Wyoming, nobody watched his games. Stop nitpicking the can't and look at what they can do. Josh Allen six six, He can leap over other human beings. He's got a huge arm. Mike Tomlin talked about this one time. We nitpick all these athletes what they can't do. But if you watch somebody and go wow, Malik Willis can make pro athletes look slow and can throw sixty five yards off the wrong foot. And Mike Tomlin talked about this recently. I love coaches that resist the responsibility of coaches that talk negatively about a dude that can't learn. And Bubba man, if everybody can learn, we need less coaches. Yeah, right, if the group didn't need management, then we wouldn't make as much. I love reading draft evals in somebody he's talking about anything other than pedigree, talking about how poor somebody's hand usage is, Well, that's coaching. It all is in line with that, not seeking comfort, because when you're a coach that's talking about somebody can't learn, you're seeking comfort because you're teaching the struggling people confuse unique and different for can't. Let's stop boxing people in. That's why so many kids suffer from depression. We've boxed him in. Well, you've got to go to this class, and you've got to do it this way. Some kids learn online, Some kids are very social. Some kids during the pandemic went into their computer and just loved life. Other kids. You know, he's a football player, she's a volleyball player, and you took that away from him. Not everybody fits into a box. People confuse unique and different for can't I heard this about my home. You can't be that erratic, you can't be this loose. I don't know. When I watch who do I watch Patrick Mahall, I see a lot of can I'll figure out coaching the rest. So you know when I watched this kid last night, and by the way, Malik willis after the game, all the kid wants to be is coached. Yeah, I miss some things probably, and I just made up for him. Alas. I can't continue to like you know, rely on that though, But that's what the preseason is for. So you just see those things against a lot of defense and one we hadn't played before. Like you said, you just gotta look at the film, take it for what it's worth. Fin continue to work. So let's segue to Daniel Jones and the Giant. So I watched the first couple series of that last night. So is Daniel Jones franchise quarterback. Maybe maybe he has a second act after New York like a Ryan Tannehill and succeeds. But what Daniel Jones isn't is special, and what he isn't is good enough to elevate this very mediocre roster. So he's an incredibly ordinary quarterback. There's no real there, there's no special there. And the Giants are a bad franchise. Now, they've been rebuilding since Eli left for four years. They're still not good. So that's institutional, that's ownership, that's executive, that's scouting. Four years in a rebuild. Really good teams in this league. I saw Bill Parcels at one point take a one win Miami team and win eleven the next year. And they weren't great, but they were good. So a thirteen play drive at home to get a field goal against New England's second team. There's no special there. But isn't this interesting? When Daniel Jones came out, all I heard was can he can be coached? He went to Duke, he can learn, he is big enough. There's a lot of Eli he can but there's no special to it. I mean, Zach Wilson struggled last year, but I see special. Trevor Lawrence struggled last year. I see special. Trey Lance only had two starts. Oh, you can see special. You can absolutely see why they drafted Trey Lance. I watched Daniel Jones. You know what, he looks like a guy that played football at Duke's Division one. But it's like, get good grades, not recruited at all, but the top fifteen programs, not a shot at Duke basketball, they get the best. He looks like, yeah, that guy he played? Oh really where Duke? You ever talk about Duke in January and college football? So if you're gonna convince me that Jimmy Garoppolo would not make a difference for the next two years for this losing franchise, you're out of your mind. I went today and I got the Giant schedule, and I looked at the New York Giant schedule. Play along with me as far as I can tell, So ask yourself this they opened with Tennessee. Is Daniel Jones as good as Ryan Tanniel? No? Is he as good in week two as Baker Mayfield. He's not. He's not as talent as Baker Mayfield. Is he as good as Dak That's game three, No, he is as good we think this morning is justin Fields. I'm not sure, but it's an argument. After that, he follows Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence. It's not as talented as them. He is better than Drew locke By and he could be as good as the kid in Houston. He's not as good as Jared Goff who met a Super Bowl, or dak Or Wentz or Jalen Hurts or Wentz or Kirk Cousins or Matt Ryan or Jalen Hurts. So in three games all year for the Giants, three, you arguably have the better quarterback. It's not a definitive. At this point. You can't tell me he's better than Baker Mayfield. He is not better than Baker Mayfield. If you think that, if that's one of your better arguments. You lost three games all year of seventeen, you arguably have the better quarterback, and you're telling me you start putting Jimmy Garofolo against those got Jimmy Garoppolo, Goff, that's an argument. Jimmy Garoppolo, Wentz, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jalen Hurts, Jimmy Garoppolo. You know. I mean, I think Dak's better than Garoppolo, but you know I've seen him match up. Jimmy can make some plays. Jimmy wins playoff games. Dad doesn't have a lot of those. Jimmy Garoppolo gives you a shot in half your games eight or nine, you have the better quarterback. Arguably, it's a pretty convincing argument if wins matter. So it just it's funny watching Malik Willis. We knitpick what he can't, but what he can do. You can't coach sixty yard throws wrong foot, make pro athletes look slow. All I heard about Daniel Jones what he can do, but what he can't do is ever make anybody look mediocre as a pro athlete. I mean, he had some slant passes, he completed thirteen play drive at home, three points against the second team. And it's not likely the Giants don't have talent. Saquon Barkley's talented, look good left nine, Kenny Galdy's got talent. They have players. I mean that, don't tell me the Giants don't have some talent. I think I actually think they have a couple of good defensive linemen. I think they have a couple of weapons. They're pretty good. And that's where we are on a Friday. Leroy Butler Hall of Famer now with the Green Bay Packers is around the corner. Tony Basselli, you'll be on the show today. A couple of Hall of famers. Stu Holden next hour, one of my favorite guys. We are getting closer and closer to the World Cup. I am so geeked out for that. It is great to have you. Also, little latest on the Shawn Watson and Belichick is at his absolute grumpiest best. I don't have a lot of takeaways on New England because I've come to the point where I just don't get it, and they're smarter than me in New England. I don't understand it. They apparently understand it. It's all defensive coaches calling all the offensive plays. It was not pretty last night. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio one and the iHeartRadio. A good to have you back. It is interesting how hard we are on our football players. You know, in baseball, it's understood that umpires get like a two week vacation in the middle of a baseball season. I know guys who have broadcasted, current broadcasters in Major League Baseball, they take two and three weeks off during the season, right, they'll take breaks, right, Not all, but some. NBA Anthony Davis has played about thirty five percent of the game since he was a Laker, and yet Laker fans will defend him to the end. That's just the way the I mean. John Wall hasn't played for two years. He hasn't lost a single fan. Tom Brady decided here in preseason, I'm gonna take about ten days off, and it's kind of fuzzy. Nobody knows exactly why. Here's Todd Bowles discussing the reportedly pre planned break by Tom Brady. Mine is pretty high. Obviously, there's always gonna be doubt, but I have a pretty high level of confidence. Yes, this is something we talked about before training have started. We alloted this time because he wanted to get in and get chemistry with the guys and go through two weeks of training camp knowing he wasn't going to play the first two games. So yesterday, my guest was there was a family emergency, some health his mother. It's not that you know, it's I have no idea what it is. I just found out about two weeks ago that Tom Brady was talking about being an owner for the Dolphins while he was a Patriot. So I'm not going to try to guess Tom Brady did a lot of stuff and doesn't have to tell us. But Brady's literally been the guy that won't miss a snap, and so he decides, you know, I got pre planned ten day break. My guest, total guest is he retired, and he made certain promises to his family, and he's got six or seven homes all over the country. One's up in Montana, and he said, let's go on a two week vacation in August in Montana. And he didn't want to break the promise because he retired. And then he unretired and everybody was like, yeah, more Dad, And then Dad said, hey, I'm not I can't retire law suit in Miami. I gotta go play, And so I said, I'm gonna take a two week break. I don't think it matters. Aaron Rodgers never plays in preseason. I don't think chemistry is an issue. This is his third year with all the guys. It's a terrible division. They're gonna win it going away. Most great athletes, I mean this is almost all of them, all time. Brady's a total exception. Most great athletes at the end, and I'm talking great athletes at the end, they're old, they're injured, they're not as productive. None of that's true with Brady. Brady's got a guilt issue. He feels like, you know, I've taken too much time away from my family, and he's talked about it publicly. My kids deserve more, why my wife deserves more. Brady's issue is a family guilt issue. It's not an old, beat up productivity issue. Even Lebron the best body probably in NBA history, even now, he struggles to get to sixty games in a regular season. I would not have a problem at all if Brady. The Buccaneers have a buy in week eleven, and i mean, let's be honest, Tom was retired. The Bucks gotta break he comes back. They got a break is that in week ten they go to Germany to play the Seahawks. They could probably beat the Seahawks without Tom Brady. I'd have no problem if Tom Brady after Week nine said I'm not going in Germany in week ten. I'm gonna take the buy off. And I'll see in week twelve and he got fifteen days off, I'd have absolutely no problem. I mean, they've they've got several games in this division Atlanta twice they could win with a backup. But I mean, I look at this and I think to myself, Seattle, Germany, buy take two weeks off. But it is interesting how we hold our football players accountable. In baseball, it's understood umpires take vacations, announcers take vacations. I mean, Clayton Kershaw has some back spasms. Everybody understands they're just gonna shelf him for like a month and a half. They'll bring him back at the end of the regular season for like three starts, get back in a groove, then they'll play him in the postseason. Could Kershaw come before that? It's understood in baseball, when you have an older pitcher, you just give him time off, take July off, if there's any back spasm, soreness, tenderness in the elbow, you just give him like six eight weeks off. In football, were much tougher on our players. We want him to play hurt. We can't believe it. And my guess is that she's just family time and go for it. Take another two week vacation in the middle of this season. I'd have an absolutely no problem. I said this when Kyler Murray's contract came up, or Lamar Jackson, and we always talk about those guys run around and they get hurt. And I have always made this argument. Let's say Kyler Murray is a smaller athlete and over the next five years he averaged playing fourteen year seventeen games, he'd missed three games. I wouldn't I wouldn't sign him. I mean that would mean in fourteen games, I either have the best quarterback or a quarterback capable of beating somebody that's slightly better at quarterback. I'll take that seventeen games. Now you've extended the season. I don't need my starting quarterback there every week. In fact, the players have argued they want a second bye in the season. I don't think it's a bad idea. I'd have no problem with a buy in week six, in a buy in week twelve. I mean, people get buys now after the season. The teams are rewarded for a bye, right when they excellent teams, you win your division. Alex with the news, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news. Well. Following the passing of NBA legend Bill Russell, Magic Johnson took to Twitter calling for the league to retire Russell's number six across the league. Now. Yesterday, Adam Silver announced the NBA would be doing just that, saying in a statement, Bill Russell's unparalleled success on the core and pioneering civil rights activism deserve to be honored in a unique and historic way. Permanently retiring his number six across every NBA team ensures that Bill's transcendent career will always be recognized. Now, this makes him the first player in NBA history to have a number retired league. Why know, every team will also wear a commemorative patch on the right shoulder, and they'll have a shamrock shaped logo of Russell's number six on the sideline near the score table. But now players like Lebron who wear number six are grandfathered in, Yeah, they'll be able to wear it. Oh, he's the winningest player in the history of professional sports in America. Yeah, yeah, I think. And you know, obviously, the racial stuff he had to deal with. But I yeah, I mean, like Jerry West was the logo, it's kind of a celebration of a different time. This to me was an obvious one. Yeah, the magic tweet, and people could sometimes make fun of magic tweets being obvious, but this is Yeah, he's the winning is I think about this, we all, you know, kind of worship at the altar of Michael Jordan's six championships, Bill's eleven. Yeah, so you know this is one of those duh. Yeah, absolutely, it's the ultimate respect. There's only two other players in other sports. You got Wayne Gretsky ninety nine, Jackie Robinson forty two across other sports. So yeah, like you said, it was meant to be all right. Moving on Colin, you mentioned earlier the Giants could be a good home for Jimmy g But with an increase suspension looking more likely as the NFL awaits Peter Harvests decision on the league's a pill, the Lads of Sport out of Cleveland says the team could look at another quarterback to bring in, and with Mary Kay Cabot reporting yesterday the Browns will consider acquiring forty nine ers Jimmy Garoppolo if Deshaun Watson six game suspension increases. Now, Jimmy is a mastermind in chaos. So he sat behind Tom Brady, who essentially got him traded away. I didn't want him sitting behind him. And then last season, he spent the entire season playing knowing that tree Lance was the future, hearing everyone talk about how tree Lance was the future, and he kept composure. He did a great job. He admitted after the season. It was a little tough. But if there's anybody who can control the media, control the situation, it is a Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah. I think we've talked about this. They're sometimes there's not a market for a player, like I was actually surprised how much of a market there was for Antonio Brown. Yeah, Like, I just could not bring that guy into my camp. There are times I'm I'm shocked at players having any market if they've been disruptive or you know, like Odell Beckham. I can't pay him a big contract. He's thirty, he's been hurt three times. I think he has value to the Rams, but I can't give him a contract. There are certain guys. The opposite is there are eight teams in this league that are bad at quarterback, and Garoppolo's not only pretty good, he wins, but he's a good mentor and he's not disruptive, and it's the most important position in the league. I've said this about wide receivers in the NFL. The college gives you thirty a year and about ten that are really special. So like that, there's you have this conveyor belt college dapro of all these great receivers. That's one of the reasons, like Odell or Antonio Brown, I'm like, boy, I get that position gets furnished every year. Yeah, college football gives us one really elite quarterback a year. We have eight teams without it. So even next year, which is considered a very strong quarterback draft with c J. Stroud and Bryce Young at the top, both very talented, and then you know, Miami's got a kid in Kentucky's got a kid. Even next year, y'all realize, now, if six get drafted, two will hit, so that means the eight desperate teams will be down to six. So at this position, I am shocked that we ever argue about Lamar deserving a contract or, Like I even understand to Sean getting a deal for all is creepiness. Like so this, I watched the Giants last night, and I think you're gonna tell me for the next two years you're not better with Garoppolo. You're just fooling yourself. You're telling fans pay full bolt for tickets, we can't compete at the highest levels. I don't get it. I think Garoppolo and again I'm not I don't think this guy's a pro bowler. But I Cleveland, by the way, runs the exact not exact, but most of the same offense San Francisco does. It's very Gary Kubiak Shanahan. He would be a great fit in Cleveland. And again, he also is a guy that he doesn't expect you to build a franchise around him. He's come to terms with what he is very quickly, which is often the hardest thing for pro athlete who have one to do self awareness, own what they've become or what they're what they're marketed as. Jimmy's viewed right now to the Brown as a bridge quarterback. I think I think he would accept it. He could also be great morale for that locker room. He commands a locker room guys are going to listen to him. It could be just what they need in the midst of all of their chaos right now. Well, moving on, last night, we had the second ever Field of Dreams game on Fox and Drew Smiley was a star at the show, striking out nine over five scoreless innings in the Cubs four to win over the Reds. But one of the fan favorite moments was when Ken Griffy Senior and Junior emerge from the cornfield for a father son catch for their own version of the memorable scene from the film in front of a sellout crowd of just under eight thousand. Now, the Griffy's played catch as more parents and children join them on the field with their own balls and gloves, followed by the Cubs and Red's dressed in special uniforms inspired by how the franchises looked in the early twentieth century. Now, calling this whole game kind of brings you back to your childhood growing up playing baseball with your mom, your dad. I personally grew up with season tickets to the Dodgers. All my childhood memories with my father are at a baseball game. Well, my first job out of college was a minoritague baseball team for two years. So when I see those aerial shots, it reminds me of all the minoritague I went to hide Corbett Field in Tucson, and Calgary Stadium and Edmonton's and Tacoma's and Phoenix Firebirds stadiums. So I went to all these minor league stadiums for years, and minor league baseball is totally undervalued. It's affordable, it's easy in and out, and minor league teams should go out of their way to take care of their fans. Oh yeah, it's so fun. I mean then this was the perfect way to kind of tug I think at everyone's heartstrings, having the Griffies, the perfect father son duo in baseball, come out and you know, surface all those memories for all the fans watching good stuff. Alex with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stop the herdline news. So, um, you know I saw something yesterday. Uh. Greg Popovich is obviously a Hall of Fame coach. He's in his seventies and so um, Greg Popovich is sort of going the opposite of the rest of the NBA, Whereas he doesn't get along with stars you know, everybody kind of pampers stars in the NBA, right, like you just kind of deal with it. Popovich is the opposite Kawhi Leonard wouldn't listen to him, he's out of town. They just uh, Dante Murray's another They got rid of him, it didn't work, and want to pay him big money. And it's kind of the opposite of where the league is going. But San Antonio's a one horse town. The Spurs are projected the San Antonio Spurs are projected in Vegas to be the worst team in the league. And they've been bad for like four years. They're like they they're they're off, you know, they're they're off the map. Nobody talks about him off the grid and uh, you know, Popovitch would be fired if he was not called Greg Popovitch. And he has a great legacy. But I always think there is a balance of Okay, you were great and gave us this, but we're going to move you into a consulting role because you're seventy. Nobody's at their best when the first number on their age is seven. We all know that, right, Like we all kind of peak. I think cognitively, maybe we peak at about fifty eight to sixty four or something like that. You can work longer. But NBA's a grind, especially to coach and so. But Popovich because of his resume, respectfully, you feel like, you know, Tony LaRussa has a job because of his resume in Chicago, he feels outdated. Popovitch to meet smart guy, feels a little outdated. The culture is now a little more pro player than it's ever been in the NBA. Whether you agree with it or not, that's the reality of the league. So you know, I watched the Patriots. Now what the top teams in the league are doing. The league has moved to offense. I mean, if I said, who are the best teams to win a Super Bowl this year? Almost all of them are offensively driven, right. You think of Tampa with Tommy and Aaron, and Green Bay and the Rams and the Niners. They almost all have top quarterbacks or at least they have really an offensive sensibility As a franchise, Andy Reid play designer draft that developed at Kansas City's an offensive juggernaut. That's that organization years ago leaned heavy offense. Miami Dolphins, to their credit, have gone from defense pivoted totally offense. And then there's the Greg Popovich of the NFL, Bill Belichick, who remains rigid, grumpy, and their play calling is all defensive guys or special teams guys. But again, how do you balance the resume? So I watched them last night. There's just nothing there. And then James White retires incredibly valuable, versatile player, and so Belichick, they don't know who's calling the plays. I have two stories this morning that Matt Patricia called him, and then Joe Judge is now calling him. I don't know who's calling the plays. Belichick was on the headset and afterwards Bill spoke with the press about it. Do you know if one will call plays when the regular season rise? Yeah, well, don't worry about that. We'll work it out. So have you decided? We're going through a process, just like everything else on this team. What do you need to see to make a final decision. We're going through a process as simple as that. Okay, it's just a little bit of an unusual situation for us that have watched you guys before, And so what do you want me to do? I guess we're just looking for a little clarity as too great. But you know, there was a time when Bill Walsh retired it was inconceivable there would have been a coach better than Bill Walsh. Like people still use Bill Walsh's West Coast offense today, right, And there's this idea that Belichick's the best coach ever. That's it. We thought that about Michael Jordan. Then Lebron happened, and I look at Belichick and I say to myself, well, he was fired in Cleveland and this is a disaster, and he can't win without Tom Like Andy Reid has won everywhere, two owners, two conferences, two divisions, six quarterbacks, got two different quarterbacks to a Super Bowl. I said it yesterday. If any Red coaches seven more years and wins three more Super Bowls and has a great last ten years of his career and a really good first twenty years of his career, are we sure Belichick's the best coach ever? It was inconceivable that somebody could be argued better than Jordan, or a football coach would be better than Bill Walsh. This thing is, you know, it's hard to have a great legacy when your final several chapters are awful. It's hard to have a great movie with a bad last twenty five minutes. John Elway last game as a pro, won the Super Bowl and walked off and could have played for two more years, two three more years. People forget this about John Elway. John Elway was blown out in three Super Bowls. He got a coach fired. He never really could win big games, right, that was always the knock. But he really ended well in the last three years. His legs. He is unbelievable. Brett Farve, he got a Super Bowl too, but at the end he went to the Jets. It was a mass that last throw in Minnesota before he retired. Oh got it with just a mass. And he's been kind of since he retired. He's said a bunch of weird stuff. Nobody talks about Brett Farve. Peyton Manning ends in Denver last couple of years. He's in Denver for three or four years. He's great most of the time. He wins a Super Bowl, right, and then he's funny on television. His business stuff is doing great. We hold Peyton Manning to a much higher esteem than Brett Farve. But when Farv played, he was more popular than Peyton Manning. I mean far literally until his last days in Green Bay was number one in the NFL in Jersey sales. He played in green Bay forever. Everybody had his jersey. Aaron Rodgers similarly in Green Bay for fifteen years. He's twentieth in Jersey sales. People loved Farv And now you don't think it's just he's not in the conversation. So how you end does matter? Now? Now Mike Jordan went six for six. The Wizards was a mess. He was only there a couple of years. It's almost like the tape disappeared. But I look at I look at sort of Belichick in the way it's going. It's not just losing. It feels like rigid and stubborn and it's so bad or maybe he's smarter than all of us that the new way to do things is anybody can call plays defensive coordinator, cornerback, coach, special teams coach. I don't think that's true. But how this is ending And there's a convergence here of Josh Allen ascending and Belichick going more defense than offense. And I don't think it's gonna play out. Well, I don't think it's gonna And I just the AFC now Mac Jones maybe the tenth best quarterback, and Belichick was fired before New England, and it's gonna end poorly. I don't I'm not saying we're not going to consider Bill really bright, but it's I don't think it's a hot take. If you if Andy Reid, if I knew he was gonna coach ten more years with Mahomes and his last from today and his last fourteen years or three or four super bowls, kept up with the league, pivoted with the league, draft and developed well, and Belichick stays six more And this is what I get. Stuff that that that feels inconceivable. I mean, Bill Walsh was We thought Lombardi was it, and then we thought Walsh was it, and now we think Belichick was it. Man, this ain't pretty. This is not pretty. I'm fascinated by New England. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they win eleven games. Maybe they they they literally they have really no week to week game. All the stuff he was great about early, Bill was always known as every week he kept he was updated. He was constantly preparing for the opponent with a different game plan. They seem so outdated, so out of sorts. I don't even know it. To him, I watched it last night. I'm like, I don't get it. I give up. I don't I don't get it. The whole world's going left, they're going right. I don't get it. Leroy Butler, the Hall of Famer Packers around the corner, Leroy Butler. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noun Easter nine am Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, orherever you get your podcast. You know, I was talking about the world's going left, the Patriots are going right. For years and years, Microsoft in the Pacific Northwest was the company of note. Steve Jobs left Apple. They went down, they eroded, and the entire industry. Apple said the iPhone is everything. It is the future of our lives which it's become. And Microsoft's like, now we're not running into the phone. And Microsoft had Bill Gates and Paul Allen and Steve Balm are three of the smartest guys in America, and Microsoft, I don't know if they were stubborn. They just didn't grasp it. They didn't go with the phone. Apple said, we don't think it's important. We think it's everything going forward. And look at what Apple's done now. Microsoft is rebounded. You know, you've got a lot of smart people, but sometimes these legendary companies they just miss they've got a hole. They don't see it. And I maybe Belichick smarter than the world, but man, I do not get this new philosophy of offenses overrated. Let's have defensive guys and special teamers and cornerback coaches running the offense. I don't get it. Leroy, Butler's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. Couldn't be a better guy, big talk show host in Green Bay. So you were just introduced by the way. Congratulations, great player, great guy. Good for you. One of four players in NFL history with thirty five picks in twenty sacks. So here we go, Green Base fascinating. This is well documented that sometimes Aaron, as gifted as he is, has some kind of trust issues with young receiver. Took him a while for Davante Adams, took him a while for you know, maybe a Donald Driver. And now we're asking him take these rookies and just be great. It's really you know, I have my doubts. What have you heard and seen so far? From it? Well, they got a kid, Romeo Dubbs that seemed to be the new guy that's making splash plays. Kristin Watson. He was put on the pup list, wasn't available after the top pick in the second round. But I think it's the system, Colin that you have to have a faith in the belief in that they can develop guys along the way. But at the same time, they still gonna run the ball, a lot of play action, and Aaron just had to be himself. I think this may be one of his more productive years because now he just have to force the ball to Davante Adams. They've done that for three years and have not gotten to the super Bowl. So let's try something different. Maybe spread the ball around, Maybe you can get to the super Bowl. So Aaron Rodgers made a comp the other day to Jordan Love. Do we have an update on that? Do we have a sense of Jordan Love? Is he getting better? Is there a plateau? Where is he at? What have you seen? I think that's a great question because I think the people who've seen him have not seen enough of him to forge a judgment against Kansas City that was only one game, and then the pandemic really stunt in his growth. But this year he gets Tom Clements, another quarterbacks coach, Adam Stanovich, who's the offensive line coach last year and now he's the coordinated It's just like most young quarterbacks. They have a lot of different coaches, but he's always been on the mat La floor. This past year you see more tape of him working out in the all season and things of that nature. And I'm telling you college he looks much better. Now. We'll get a chance to see that more tonight because he's gonna play a lot in this preseason. The good thing about he's familiar with the deefend that Cale Shanahan runs, so he should be okay. But for the most part, he's gonna be just like in the quarterback in this particular office, the ravs San Francisco. He just had to do what he'd do. Move the chains. Don't go out and try to be Aaron Rodger. Just keep the chains moving. You know, green Bay over the last twenty twenty five years has a different standard than most of the league. It's not about winning the division, it's they win it three out of four years. You gotta win playoff games. And you know that was the knock on McCarthy. McCarthy won a lot of regular season games that didn't trust him in the postseason. I've watched Matt Lafleur in Green Bay melt down in the fourth quarter the last two years in the playoffs. I mean last year, Garoppolo outplayed Aaron Rodgers. I can blame all on Aaron, but it did feel the team got tight, situationally, got out maneuvered. What is the feeling today on your talk show? Because the standard in Green Bay is not winning a division, been there, done that. The standard is getting to the conference championship and beyond. Are there any apprehensions about la Fleur and the fourth quarter meltdowns in the playoffs? Well, I tell you what I think. The word is finish. He was thirty nine and ten in three years. That's phenomenal. I think he beat George Seprets record. That's been great. But now it's about finishing and getting to the super Bowl. You spot on and technically they're thinking the same thing. We won a lot of games, and we lost games at home to Tom Brady and Garoppolo. Now let's finish. So what we did back in the nineties with Mike Honran, who I think, who's a Hall of Famer on every at the Week eleven Colin, we did ones against ones on Friday to keep the competitive juices up. We were great in the playoffs because we had the same problem when we lost to Dallas in nineteen ninety five and we just didn't know how what it takes to finish. But when it gets into the playoffs, you gotta understand it's a new season. So I think you have to just your practice schedule and go more ones against ones. Dad puts your guys in the mind frame of we're in playoff mode now and for the last four or five games you play accordingly. So here, listen, there's that story that Kim Aaron's been pretty public in his last couple of off seasons, and you know, there's the I'm going to retire stuff, which I don't love. All the Hollywood friends and some of that stuff just doesn't play well in the Midwest. Now he comes out and says, yeah, I had a psychedelic brew, and you know, I live in California and I looked at it and I thought, that's a little over the top. I don't want my friends, drives quarterback talking about that. But beat that as it may, he did. How did that play among your constituents, your audience on your radio show, Well, it's no judgment. I mean, whatever guy has to do with anxiety and do it pain, you have to do out this to least said there was nothing illegal about it. I think a lot of guys aren't really like taking pills and injections if they're having some kind of pain and things of that nature. And one thing about Aaron Rodgers, he just wanted to be relaxed through what all the scrutiny is on and off the field, to understand what's my purpose. And that's what he's coming to realize that you're on your quarterback of a team that says it's called title Town. No other team can say that. And Aaron have to understand that when you get in the locker room, your teammates love you, there's no judgment at all, and the fan base will support you. But he has to understand that let us support you, let us fight some of your battles for you. You don't need to be arguing with people online. We can do that for you. Because I think the more and more Aaron understands that once this game is over and he has a gold jacket like me, you know, I missed the game and I missed my teammates, So why your plane just have fun? I think this year that's a great prediction for me. I told my nephew this this would be the most fun he's ever had this year because he doesn't have to kind of eighty percent of the playbook going into to DeVante. He can really spread things around. And if he's an MVP with this receiving Corps, oh, he'll be one of the go to please his game. Finally, when they unveiled your Boston you were officially a Hall of Famer. You've been a great player forever. How emotional. What was the first thing that went through your mind when you saw that? In Colin, I talked about I thought my mom, she passed away six years ago, and how she taught me to be a humble person but at the same time use a platform to help others, my teachers. I talked about my teammates and things that Bob Harland, the Green Bay Packer, playing for one team was very important. So I just love having fun. I'd love the fact that my teammates were down there with me. And this is a dream come true. When you, just like I said at the beginning of my speech, when you play for the Package, a lot of doors open up for you. When you won a championship, all doors open up. But when you go to the Hall of Fame calling football, heaven opens up. So it's just truly amazing to have this kind of platform to get in Hall of Fame. Specialmen's only three hundred and six to two guys in the Hall of Fame. Isn't that amazing? All those players three hundred and sixty two. Hey, you know, normally we do have a surprise for you, real quick, all right, last time we had to pitch up. This year, I got a Hall of grab, a Hall of Fame jersey for you. Look at you and so and I have one for Joy too. I know she's all. You're such a thoughtful guy. You give us an I got with the Alex too. I got Alex as well. I'll take it for you have always been. I love I trust Leroy because I go to him and ask him what his callers are saying. Yeah, and he always gives us the straight skinny and it's not always good news. But you're an incredibly thoughtful guy and I just love that about you. And I still can't figure out the picture of jay Low behind you, but that's your private business and not mine, and so be that as it may. She's married now, but we still love jay Lo. I thank you for I'm glad she got married, so she's happy, and this show's happy when jay Loo's happy. Leroy, it's great seeing you as always. Thank you so much, Colin, take care of all right. Yeah, there's just a quality guy. He really is. Yeah, And you know it's it's interesting. I did local radio for years and there are times I miss it. I miss Monday morning. If you're in an NFL city and you lose a close game, you open the phone lines up that is gold how or two next

Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go on a Friday, live in Los Angeles. It is the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio FS one. Joy Taylor's off today. Alex Curry is back here on a Friday. As we uh, we got some NFL games. I had a lot of NFL games last night, a lot of NFL action, had some baseball stuff going on. Howard things. It felt like fall last night. There is there's so much going on on TV and then also being either full out here in LA. Yeah, it was wonderful. I'm I'm starting to go to like a ten day forecasts around the country and you can see in mountain communities cooling down at night. So I'll start with this. So before the draft, this was not This previous draft was not a good quarterback draft. There were two or three quarterbacks. The kid I liked was Malik Willis, and I just said, you know, you can see the special. You know, who knows if these guys hit or not. But I thought, you know, that's a bottom of the first round pick. We didn't go into like the third round. He did go to a good franchise. The Tennessee's are very very good franchise. They draft, they developed, they win a lot of games. But you know, it's really funny. He's got a huge arm. He's a special athlete. But he went to a small college. A lot of people did so to Cooper cop best receiver in the NFL, went to a small college. So all I heard about Malik Willis before the draft was what he can't do. He can't do this, he can't do that. But what I saw last night, what is what he can do make other pro athletes look really slow. So haven't we learned enough from Josh Allen who went to a small college, nobody recruited, amount of high school goes to Wyoming, nobody watched his games. Stop nitpicking the can't and look at what they can do. Josh Allen six six, He can leap over other human beings. He's got a huge arm. Mike Tomlin talked about this one time. We nitpick all these athletes what they can't do. But if you watch somebody and go wow, Malik Willis can make pro athletes look slow and can throw sixty five yards off the wrong foot. And Mike Tomlin talked about this recently. I love coaches that resist the responsibility of coaches that talk negatively about a dude that can't learn. And Bubba man, if everybody can learn, we need less coaches. Yeah, right, if the group didn't need management, then we wouldn't make as much. I love reading draft evals in somebody he's talking about anything other than pedigree, talking about how poor somebody's hand usage is, Well, that's coaching. It all is in line with that, not seeking comfort, because when you're a coach that's talking about somebody can't learn, you're seeking comfort because you're teaching the struggling people confuse unique and different for can't. Let's stop boxing people in. That's why so many kids suffer from depression. We've boxed him in. Well, you've got to go to this class, and you've got to do it this way. Some kids learn online, Some kids are very social. Some kids during the pandemic went into their computer and just loved life. Other kids. You know, he's a football player, she's a volleyball player, and you took that away from him. Not everybody fits into a box. People confuse unique and different for can't I heard this about my home. You can't be that erratic, you can't be this loose. I don't know. When I watch who do I watch Patrick Mahall, I see a lot of can I'll figure out coaching the rest. So you know when I watched this kid last night, and by the way, Malik willis after the game, all the kid wants to be is coached. Yeah, I miss some things probably, and I just made up for him. Alas. I can't continue to like you know, rely on that though, But that's what the preseason is for. So you just see those things against a lot of defense and one we hadn't played before. Like you said, you just gotta look at the film, take it for what it's worth. Fin continue to work. So let's segue to Daniel Jones and the Giant. So I watched the first couple series of that last night. So is Daniel Jones franchise quarterback. Maybe maybe he has a second act after New York like a Ryan Tannehill and succeeds. But what Daniel Jones isn't is special, and what he isn't is good enough to elevate this very mediocre roster. So he's an incredibly ordinary quarterback. There's no real there, there's no special there. And the Giants are a bad franchise. Now, they've been rebuilding since Eli left for four years. They're still not good. So that's institutional, that's ownership, that's executive, that's scouting. Four years in a rebuild. Really good teams in this league. I saw Bill Parcels at one point take a one win Miami team and win eleven the next year. And they weren't great, but they were good. So a thirteen play drive at home to get a field goal against New England's second team. There's no special there. But isn't this interesting? When Daniel Jones came out, all I heard was can he can be coached? He went to Duke, he can learn, he is big enough. There's a lot of Eli he can but there's no special to it. I mean, Zach Wilson struggled last year, but I see special. Trevor Lawrence struggled last year. I see special. Trey Lance only had two starts. Oh, you can see special. You can absolutely see why they drafted Trey Lance. I watched Daniel Jones. You know what, he looks like a guy that played football at Duke's Division one. But it's like, get good grades, not recruited at all, but the top fifteen programs, not a shot at Duke basketball, they get the best. He looks like, yeah, that guy he played? Oh really where Duke? You ever talk about Duke in January and college football? So if you're gonna convince me that Jimmy Garoppolo would not make a difference for the next two years for this losing franchise, you're out of your mind. I went today and I got the Giant schedule, and I looked at the New York Giant schedule. Play along with me as far as I can tell, So ask yourself this they opened with Tennessee. Is Daniel Jones as good as Ryan Tanniel? No? Is he as good in week two as Baker Mayfield. He's not. He's not as talent as Baker Mayfield. Is he as good as Dak That's game three, No, he is as good we think this morning is justin Fields. I'm not sure, but it's an argument. After that, he follows Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence. It's not as talented as them. He is better than Drew locke By and he could be as good as the kid in Houston. He's not as good as Jared Goff who met a Super Bowl, or dak Or Wentz or Jalen Hurts or Wentz or Kirk Cousins or Matt Ryan or Jalen Hurts. So in three games all year for the Giants, three, you arguably have the better quarterback. It's not a definitive. At this point. You can't tell me he's better than Baker Mayfield. He is not better than Baker Mayfield. If you think that, if that's one of your better arguments. You lost three games all year of seventeen, you arguably have the better quarterback, and you're telling me you start putting Jimmy Garofolo against those got Jimmy Garoppolo, Goff, that's an argument. Jimmy Garoppolo, Wentz, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jalen Hurts, Jimmy Garoppolo. You know. I mean, I think Dak's better than Garoppolo, but you know I've seen him match up. Jimmy can make some plays. Jimmy wins playoff games. Dad doesn't have a lot of those. Jimmy Garoppolo gives you a shot in half your games eight or nine, you have the better quarterback. Arguably, it's a pretty convincing argument if wins matter. So it just it's funny watching Malik Willis. We knitpick what he can't, but what he can do. You can't coach sixty yard throws wrong foot, make pro athletes look slow. All I heard about Daniel Jones what he can do, but what he can't do is ever make anybody look mediocre as a pro athlete. I mean, he had some slant passes, he completed thirteen play drive at home, three points against the second team. And it's not likely the Giants don't have talent. Saquon Barkley's talented, look good left nine, Kenny Galdy's got talent. They have players. I mean that, don't tell me the Giants don't have some talent. I think I actually think they have a couple of good defensive linemen. I think they have a couple of weapons. They're pretty good. And that's where we are on a Friday. Leroy Butler Hall of Famer now with the Green Bay Packers is around the corner. Tony Basselli, you'll be on the show today. A couple of Hall of famers. Stu Holden next hour, one of my favorite guys. We are getting closer and closer to the World Cup. I am so geeked out for that. It is great to have you. Also, little latest on the Shawn Watson and Belichick is at his absolute grumpiest best. I don't have a lot of takeaways on New England because I've come to the point where I just don't get it, and they're smarter than me in New England. I don't understand it. They apparently understand it. It's all defensive coaches calling all the offensive plays. It was not pretty last night. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio one and the iHeartRadio. A good to have you back. It is interesting how hard we are on our football players. You know, in baseball, it's understood that umpires get like a two week vacation in the middle of a baseball season. I know guys who have broadcasted, current broadcasters in Major League Baseball, they take two and three weeks off during the season, right, they'll take breaks, right, Not all, but some. NBA Anthony Davis has played about thirty five percent of the game since he was a Laker, and yet Laker fans will defend him to the end. That's just the way the I mean. John Wall hasn't played for two years. He hasn't lost a single fan. Tom Brady decided here in preseason, I'm gonna take about ten days off, and it's kind of fuzzy. Nobody knows exactly why. Here's Todd Bowles discussing the reportedly pre planned break by Tom Brady. Mine is pretty high. Obviously, there's always gonna be doubt, but I have a pretty high level of confidence. Yes, this is something we talked about before training have started. We alloted this time because he wanted to get in and get chemistry with the guys and go through two weeks of training camp knowing he wasn't going to play the first two games. So yesterday, my guest was there was a family emergency, some health his mother. It's not that you know, it's I have no idea what it is. I just found out about two weeks ago that Tom Brady was talking about being an owner for the Dolphins while he was a Patriot. So I'm not going to try to guess Tom Brady did a lot of stuff and doesn't have to tell us. But Brady's literally been the guy that won't miss a snap, and so he decides, you know, I got pre planned ten day break. My guest, total guest is he retired, and he made certain promises to his family, and he's got six or seven homes all over the country. One's up in Montana, and he said, let's go on a two week vacation in August in Montana. And he didn't want to break the promise because he retired. And then he unretired and everybody was like, yeah, more Dad, And then Dad said, hey, I'm not I can't retire law suit in Miami. I gotta go play, And so I said, I'm gonna take a two week break. I don't think it matters. Aaron Rodgers never plays in preseason. I don't think chemistry is an issue. This is his third year with all the guys. It's a terrible division. They're gonna win it going away. Most great athletes, I mean this is almost all of them, all time. Brady's a total exception. Most great athletes at the end, and I'm talking great athletes at the end, they're old, they're injured, they're not as productive. None of that's true with Brady. Brady's got a guilt issue. He feels like, you know, I've taken too much time away from my family, and he's talked about it publicly. My kids deserve more, why my wife deserves more. Brady's issue is a family guilt issue. It's not an old, beat up productivity issue. Even Lebron the best body probably in NBA history, even now, he struggles to get to sixty games in a regular season. I would not have a problem at all if Brady. The Buccaneers have a buy in week eleven, and i mean, let's be honest, Tom was retired. The Bucks gotta break he comes back. They got a break is that in week ten they go to Germany to play the Seahawks. They could probably beat the Seahawks without Tom Brady. I'd have no problem if Tom Brady after Week nine said I'm not going in Germany in week ten. I'm gonna take the buy off. And I'll see in week twelve and he got fifteen days off, I'd have absolutely no problem. I mean, they've they've got several games in this division Atlanta twice they could win with a backup. But I mean, I look at this and I think to myself, Seattle, Germany, buy take two weeks off. But it is interesting how we hold our football players accountable. In baseball, it's understood umpires take vacations, announcers take vacations. I mean, Clayton Kershaw has some back spasms. Everybody understands they're just gonna shelf him for like a month and a half. They'll bring him back at the end of the regular season for like three starts, get back in a groove, then they'll play him in the postseason. Could Kershaw come before that? It's understood in baseball, when you have an older pitcher, you just give him time off, take July off, if there's any back spasm, soreness, tenderness in the elbow, you just give him like six eight weeks off. In football, were much tougher on our players. We want him to play hurt. We can't believe it. And my guess is that she's just family time and go for it. Take another two week vacation in the middle of this season. I'd have an absolutely no problem. I said this when Kyler Murray's contract came up, or Lamar Jackson, and we always talk about those guys run around and they get hurt. And I have always made this argument. Let's say Kyler Murray is a smaller athlete and over the next five years he averaged playing fourteen year seventeen games, he'd missed three games. I wouldn't I wouldn't sign him. I mean that would mean in fourteen games, I either have the best quarterback or a quarterback capable of beating somebody that's slightly better at quarterback. I'll take that seventeen games. Now you've extended the season. I don't need my starting quarterback there every week. In fact, the players have argued they want a second bye in the season. I don't think it's a bad idea. I'd have no problem with a buy in week six, in a buy in week twelve. I mean, people get buys now after the season. The teams are rewarded for a bye, right when they excellent teams, you win your division. Alex with the news, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news. Well. Following the passing of NBA legend Bill Russell, Magic Johnson took to Twitter calling for the league to retire Russell's number six across the league. Now. Yesterday, Adam Silver announced the NBA would be doing just that, saying in a statement, Bill Russell's unparalleled success on the core and pioneering civil rights activism deserve to be honored in a unique and historic way. Permanently retiring his number six across every NBA team ensures that Bill's transcendent career will always be recognized. Now, this makes him the first player in NBA history to have a number retired league. Why know, every team will also wear a commemorative patch on the right shoulder, and they'll have a shamrock shaped logo of Russell's number six on the sideline near the score table. But now players like Lebron who wear number six are grandfathered in, Yeah, they'll be able to wear it. Oh, he's the winningest player in the history of professional sports in America. Yeah, yeah, I think. And you know, obviously, the racial stuff he had to deal with. But I yeah, I mean, like Jerry West was the logo, it's kind of a celebration of a different time. This to me was an obvious one. Yeah, the magic tweet, and people could sometimes make fun of magic tweets being obvious, but this is Yeah, he's the winning is I think about this, we all, you know, kind of worship at the altar of Michael Jordan's six championships, Bill's eleven. Yeah, so you know this is one of those duh. Yeah, absolutely, it's the ultimate respect. There's only two other players in other sports. You got Wayne Gretsky ninety nine, Jackie Robinson forty two across other sports. So yeah, like you said, it was meant to be all right. Moving on Colin, you mentioned earlier the Giants could be a good home for Jimmy g But with an increase suspension looking more likely as the NFL awaits Peter Harvests decision on the league's a pill, the Lads of Sport out of Cleveland says the team could look at another quarterback to bring in, and with Mary Kay Cabot reporting yesterday the Browns will consider acquiring forty nine ers Jimmy Garoppolo if Deshaun Watson six game suspension increases. Now, Jimmy is a mastermind in chaos. So he sat behind Tom Brady, who essentially got him traded away. I didn't want him sitting behind him. And then last season, he spent the entire season playing knowing that tree Lance was the future, hearing everyone talk about how tree Lance was the future, and he kept composure. He did a great job. He admitted after the season. It was a little tough. But if there's anybody who can control the media, control the situation, it is a Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah. I think we've talked about this. They're sometimes there's not a market for a player, like I was actually surprised how much of a market there was for Antonio Brown. Yeah, Like, I just could not bring that guy into my camp. There are times I'm I'm shocked at players having any market if they've been disruptive or you know, like Odell Beckham. I can't pay him a big contract. He's thirty, he's been hurt three times. I think he has value to the Rams, but I can't give him a contract. There are certain guys. The opposite is there are eight teams in this league that are bad at quarterback, and Garoppolo's not only pretty good, he wins, but he's a good mentor and he's not disruptive, and it's the most important position in the league. I've said this about wide receivers in the NFL. The college gives you thirty a year and about ten that are really special. So like that, there's you have this conveyor belt college dapro of all these great receivers. That's one of the reasons, like Odell or Antonio Brown, I'm like, boy, I get that position gets furnished every year. Yeah, college football gives us one really elite quarterback a year. We have eight teams without it. So even next year, which is considered a very strong quarterback draft with c J. Stroud and Bryce Young at the top, both very talented, and then you know, Miami's got a kid in Kentucky's got a kid. Even next year, y'all realize, now, if six get drafted, two will hit, so that means the eight desperate teams will be down to six. So at this position, I am shocked that we ever argue about Lamar deserving a contract or, Like I even understand to Sean getting a deal for all is creepiness. Like so this, I watched the Giants last night, and I think you're gonna tell me for the next two years you're not better with Garoppolo. You're just fooling yourself. You're telling fans pay full bolt for tickets, we can't compete at the highest levels. I don't get it. I think Garoppolo and again I'm not I don't think this guy's a pro bowler. But I Cleveland, by the way, runs the exact not exact, but most of the same offense San Francisco does. It's very Gary Kubiak Shanahan. He would be a great fit in Cleveland. And again, he also is a guy that he doesn't expect you to build a franchise around him. He's come to terms with what he is very quickly, which is often the hardest thing for pro athlete who have one to do self awareness, own what they've become or what they're what they're marketed as. Jimmy's viewed right now to the Brown as a bridge quarterback. I think I think he would accept it. He could also be great morale for that locker room. He commands a locker room guys are going to listen to him. It could be just what they need in the midst of all of their chaos right now. Well, moving on, last night, we had the second ever Field of Dreams game on Fox and Drew Smiley was a star at the show, striking out nine over five scoreless innings in the Cubs four to win over the Reds. But one of the fan favorite moments was when Ken Griffy Senior and Junior emerge from the cornfield for a father son catch for their own version of the memorable scene from the film in front of a sellout crowd of just under eight thousand. Now, the Griffy's played catch as more parents and children join them on the field with their own balls and gloves, followed by the Cubs and Red's dressed in special uniforms inspired by how the franchises looked in the early twentieth century. Now, calling this whole game kind of brings you back to your childhood growing up playing baseball with your mom, your dad. I personally grew up with season tickets to the Dodgers. All my childhood memories with my father are at a baseball game. Well, my first job out of college was a minoritague baseball team for two years. So when I see those aerial shots, it reminds me of all the minoritague I went to hide Corbett Field in Tucson, and Calgary Stadium and Edmonton's and Tacoma's and Phoenix Firebirds stadiums. So I went to all these minor league stadiums for years, and minor league baseball is totally undervalued. It's affordable, it's easy in and out, and minor league teams should go out of their way to take care of their fans. Oh yeah, it's so fun. I mean then this was the perfect way to kind of tug I think at everyone's heartstrings, having the Griffies, the perfect father son duo in baseball, come out and you know, surface all those memories for all the fans watching good stuff. Alex with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stop the herdline news. So, um, you know I saw something yesterday. Uh. Greg Popovich is obviously a Hall of Fame coach. He's in his seventies and so um, Greg Popovich is sort of going the opposite of the rest of the NBA, Whereas he doesn't get along with stars you know, everybody kind of pampers stars in the NBA, right, like you just kind of deal with it. Popovich is the opposite Kawhi Leonard wouldn't listen to him, he's out of town. They just uh, Dante Murray's another They got rid of him, it didn't work, and want to pay him big money. And it's kind of the opposite of where the league is going. But San Antonio's a one horse town. The Spurs are projected the San Antonio Spurs are projected in Vegas to be the worst team in the league. And they've been bad for like four years. They're like they they're they're off, you know, they're they're off the map. Nobody talks about him off the grid and uh, you know, Popovitch would be fired if he was not called Greg Popovitch. And he has a great legacy. But I always think there is a balance of Okay, you were great and gave us this, but we're going to move you into a consulting role because you're seventy. Nobody's at their best when the first number on their age is seven. We all know that, right, Like we all kind of peak. I think cognitively, maybe we peak at about fifty eight to sixty four or something like that. You can work longer. But NBA's a grind, especially to coach and so. But Popovich because of his resume, respectfully, you feel like, you know, Tony LaRussa has a job because of his resume in Chicago, he feels outdated. Popovitch to meet smart guy, feels a little outdated. The culture is now a little more pro player than it's ever been in the NBA. Whether you agree with it or not, that's the reality of the league. So you know, I watched the Patriots. Now what the top teams in the league are doing. The league has moved to offense. I mean, if I said, who are the best teams to win a Super Bowl this year? Almost all of them are offensively driven, right. You think of Tampa with Tommy and Aaron, and Green Bay and the Rams and the Niners. They almost all have top quarterbacks or at least they have really an offensive sensibility As a franchise, Andy Reid play designer draft that developed at Kansas City's an offensive juggernaut. That's that organization years ago leaned heavy offense. Miami Dolphins, to their credit, have gone from defense pivoted totally offense. And then there's the Greg Popovich of the NFL, Bill Belichick, who remains rigid, grumpy, and their play calling is all defensive guys or special teams guys. But again, how do you balance the resume? So I watched them last night. There's just nothing there. And then James White retires incredibly valuable, versatile player, and so Belichick, they don't know who's calling the plays. I have two stories this morning that Matt Patricia called him, and then Joe Judge is now calling him. I don't know who's calling the plays. Belichick was on the headset and afterwards Bill spoke with the press about it. Do you know if one will call plays when the regular season rise? Yeah, well, don't worry about that. We'll work it out. So have you decided? We're going through a process, just like everything else on this team. What do you need to see to make a final decision. We're going through a process as simple as that. Okay, it's just a little bit of an unusual situation for us that have watched you guys before, And so what do you want me to do? I guess we're just looking for a little clarity as too great. But you know, there was a time when Bill Walsh retired it was inconceivable there would have been a coach better than Bill Walsh. Like people still use Bill Walsh's West Coast offense today, right, And there's this idea that Belichick's the best coach ever. That's it. We thought that about Michael Jordan. Then Lebron happened, and I look at Belichick and I say to myself, well, he was fired in Cleveland and this is a disaster, and he can't win without Tom Like Andy Reid has won everywhere, two owners, two conferences, two divisions, six quarterbacks, got two different quarterbacks to a Super Bowl. I said it yesterday. If any Red coaches seven more years and wins three more Super Bowls and has a great last ten years of his career and a really good first twenty years of his career, are we sure Belichick's the best coach ever? It was inconceivable that somebody could be argued better than Jordan, or a football coach would be better than Bill Walsh. This thing is, you know, it's hard to have a great legacy when your final several chapters are awful. It's hard to have a great movie with a bad last twenty five minutes. John Elway last game as a pro, won the Super Bowl and walked off and could have played for two more years, two three more years. People forget this about John Elway. John Elway was blown out in three Super Bowls. He got a coach fired. He never really could win big games, right, that was always the knock. But he really ended well in the last three years. His legs. He is unbelievable. Brett Farve, he got a Super Bowl too, but at the end he went to the Jets. It was a mass that last throw in Minnesota before he retired. Oh got it with just a mass. And he's been kind of since he retired. He's said a bunch of weird stuff. Nobody talks about Brett Farve. Peyton Manning ends in Denver last couple of years. He's in Denver for three or four years. He's great most of the time. He wins a Super Bowl, right, and then he's funny on television. His business stuff is doing great. We hold Peyton Manning to a much higher esteem than Brett Farve. But when Farv played, he was more popular than Peyton Manning. I mean far literally until his last days in Green Bay was number one in the NFL in Jersey sales. He played in green Bay forever. Everybody had his jersey. Aaron Rodgers similarly in Green Bay for fifteen years. He's twentieth in Jersey sales. People loved Farv And now you don't think it's just he's not in the conversation. So how you end does matter? Now? Now Mike Jordan went six for six. The Wizards was a mess. He was only there a couple of years. It's almost like the tape disappeared. But I look at I look at sort of Belichick in the way it's going. It's not just losing. It feels like rigid and stubborn and it's so bad or maybe he's smarter than all of us that the new way to do things is anybody can call plays defensive coordinator, cornerback, coach, special teams coach. I don't think that's true. But how this is ending And there's a convergence here of Josh Allen ascending and Belichick going more defense than offense. And I don't think it's gonna play out. Well, I don't think it's gonna And I just the AFC now Mac Jones maybe the tenth best quarterback, and Belichick was fired before New England, and it's gonna end poorly. I don't I'm not saying we're not going to consider Bill really bright, but it's I don't think it's a hot take. If you if Andy Reid, if I knew he was gonna coach ten more years with Mahomes and his last from today and his last fourteen years or three or four super bowls, kept up with the league, pivoted with the league, draft and developed well, and Belichick stays six more And this is what I get. Stuff that that that feels inconceivable. I mean, Bill Walsh was We thought Lombardi was it, and then we thought Walsh was it, and now we think Belichick was it. Man, this ain't pretty. This is not pretty. I'm fascinated by New England. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they win eleven games. Maybe they they they literally they have really no week to week game. All the stuff he was great about early, Bill was always known as every week he kept he was updated. He was constantly preparing for the opponent with a different game plan. They seem so outdated, so out of sorts. I don't even know it. To him, I watched it last night. I'm like, I don't get it. I give up. I don't I don't get it. The whole world's going left, they're going right. I don't get it. Leroy Butler, the Hall of Famer Packers around the corner, Leroy Butler. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noun Easter nine am Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, orherever you get your podcast. You know, I was talking about the world's going left, the Patriots are going right. For years and years, Microsoft in the Pacific Northwest was the company of note. Steve Jobs left Apple. They went down, they eroded, and the entire industry. Apple said the iPhone is everything. It is the future of our lives which it's become. And Microsoft's like, now we're not running into the phone. And Microsoft had Bill Gates and Paul Allen and Steve Balm are three of the smartest guys in America, and Microsoft, I don't know if they were stubborn. They just didn't grasp it. They didn't go with the phone. Apple said, we don't think it's important. We think it's everything going forward. And look at what Apple's done now. Microsoft is rebounded. You know, you've got a lot of smart people, but sometimes these legendary companies they just miss they've got a hole. They don't see it. And I maybe Belichick smarter than the world, but man, I do not get this new philosophy of offenses overrated. Let's have defensive guys and special teamers and cornerback coaches running the offense. I don't get it. Leroy, Butler's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. Couldn't be a better guy, big talk show host in Green Bay. So you were just introduced by the way. Congratulations, great player, great guy. Good for you. One of four players in NFL history with thirty five picks in twenty sacks. So here we go, Green Base fascinating. This is well documented that sometimes Aaron, as gifted as he is, has some kind of trust issues with young receiver. Took him a while for Davante Adams, took him a while for you know, maybe a Donald Driver. And now we're asking him take these rookies and just be great. It's really you know, I have my doubts. What have you heard and seen so far? From it? Well, they got a kid, Romeo Dubbs that seemed to be the new guy that's making splash plays. Kristin Watson. He was put on the pup list, wasn't available after the top pick in the second round. But I think it's the system, Colin that you have to have a faith in the belief in that they can develop guys along the way. But at the same time, they still gonna run the ball, a lot of play action, and Aaron just had to be himself. I think this may be one of his more productive years because now he just have to force the ball to Davante Adams. They've done that for three years and have not gotten to the super Bowl. So let's try something different. Maybe spread the ball around, Maybe you can get to the super Bowl. So Aaron Rodgers made a comp the other day to Jordan Love. Do we have an update on that? Do we have a sense of Jordan Love? Is he getting better? Is there a plateau? Where is he at? What have you seen? I think that's a great question because I think the people who've seen him have not seen enough of him to forge a judgment against Kansas City that was only one game, and then the pandemic really stunt in his growth. But this year he gets Tom Clements, another quarterbacks coach, Adam Stanovich, who's the offensive line coach last year and now he's the coordinated It's just like most young quarterbacks. They have a lot of different coaches, but he's always been on the mat La floor. This past year you see more tape of him working out in the all season and things of that nature. And I'm telling you college he looks much better. Now. We'll get a chance to see that more tonight because he's gonna play a lot in this preseason. The good thing about he's familiar with the deefend that Cale Shanahan runs, so he should be okay. But for the most part, he's gonna be just like in the quarterback in this particular office, the ravs San Francisco. He just had to do what he'd do. Move the chains. Don't go out and try to be Aaron Rodger. Just keep the chains moving. You know, green Bay over the last twenty twenty five years has a different standard than most of the league. It's not about winning the division, it's they win it three out of four years. You gotta win playoff games. And you know that was the knock on McCarthy. McCarthy won a lot of regular season games that didn't trust him in the postseason. I've watched Matt Lafleur in Green Bay melt down in the fourth quarter the last two years in the playoffs. I mean last year, Garoppolo outplayed Aaron Rodgers. I can blame all on Aaron, but it did feel the team got tight, situationally, got out maneuvered. What is the feeling today on your talk show? Because the standard in Green Bay is not winning a division, been there, done that. The standard is getting to the conference championship and beyond. Are there any apprehensions about la Fleur and the fourth quarter meltdowns in the playoffs? Well, I tell you what I think. The word is finish. He was thirty nine and ten in three years. That's phenomenal. I think he beat George Seprets record. That's been great. But now it's about finishing and getting to the super Bowl. You spot on and technically they're thinking the same thing. We won a lot of games, and we lost games at home to Tom Brady and Garoppolo. Now let's finish. So what we did back in the nineties with Mike Honran, who I think, who's a Hall of Famer on every at the Week eleven Colin, we did ones against ones on Friday to keep the competitive juices up. We were great in the playoffs because we had the same problem when we lost to Dallas in nineteen ninety five and we just didn't know how what it takes to finish. But when it gets into the playoffs, you gotta understand it's a new season. So I think you have to just your practice schedule and go more ones against ones. Dad puts your guys in the mind frame of we're in playoff mode now and for the last four or five games you play accordingly. So here, listen, there's that story that Kim Aaron's been pretty public in his last couple of off seasons, and you know, there's the I'm going to retire stuff, which I don't love. All the Hollywood friends and some of that stuff just doesn't play well in the Midwest. Now he comes out and says, yeah, I had a psychedelic brew, and you know, I live in California and I looked at it and I thought, that's a little over the top. I don't want my friends, drives quarterback talking about that. But beat that as it may, he did. How did that play among your constituents, your audience on your radio show, Well, it's no judgment. I mean, whatever guy has to do with anxiety and do it pain, you have to do out this to least said there was nothing illegal about it. I think a lot of guys aren't really like taking pills and injections if they're having some kind of pain and things of that nature. And one thing about Aaron Rodgers, he just wanted to be relaxed through what all the scrutiny is on and off the field, to understand what's my purpose. And that's what he's coming to realize that you're on your quarterback of a team that says it's called title Town. No other team can say that. And Aaron have to understand that when you get in the locker room, your teammates love you, there's no judgment at all, and the fan base will support you. But he has to understand that let us support you, let us fight some of your battles for you. You don't need to be arguing with people online. We can do that for you. Because I think the more and more Aaron understands that once this game is over and he has a gold jacket like me, you know, I missed the game and I missed my teammates, So why your plane just have fun? I think this year that's a great prediction for me. I told my nephew this this would be the most fun he's ever had this year because he doesn't have to kind of eighty percent of the playbook going into to DeVante. He can really spread things around. And if he's an MVP with this receiving Corps, oh, he'll be one of the go to please his game. Finally, when they unveiled your Boston you were officially a Hall of Famer. You've been a great player forever. How emotional. What was the first thing that went through your mind when you saw that? In Colin, I talked about I thought my mom, she passed away six years ago, and how she taught me to be a humble person but at the same time use a platform to help others, my teachers. I talked about my teammates and things that Bob Harland, the Green Bay Packer, playing for one team was very important. So I just love having fun. I'd love the fact that my teammates were down there with me. And this is a dream come true. When you, just like I said at the beginning of my speech, when you play for the Package, a lot of doors open up for you. When you won a championship, all doors open up. But when you go to the Hall of Fame calling football, heaven opens up. So it's just truly amazing to have this kind of platform to get in Hall of Fame. Specialmen's only three hundred and six to two guys in the Hall of Fame. Isn't that amazing? All those players three hundred and sixty two. Hey, you know, normally we do have a surprise for you, real quick, all right, last time we had to pitch up. This year, I got a Hall of grab, a Hall of Fame jersey for you. Look at you and so and I have one for Joy too. I know she's all. You're such a thoughtful guy. You give us an I got with the Alex too. I got Alex as well. I'll take it for you have always been. I love I trust Leroy because I go to him and ask him what his callers are saying. Yeah, and he always gives us the straight skinny and it's not always good news. But you're an incredibly thoughtful guy and I just love that about you. And I still can't figure out the picture of jay Low behind you, but that's your private business and not mine, and so be that as it may. She's married now, but we still love jay Lo. I thank you for I'm glad she got married, so she's happy, and this show's happy when jay Loo's happy. Leroy, it's great seeing you as always. Thank you so much, Colin, take care of all right. Yeah, there's just a quality guy. He really is. Yeah, And you know it's it's interesting. I did local radio for years and there are times I miss it. I miss Monday morning. If you're in an NFL city and you lose a close game, you open the phone lines up that is gold how or two next