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Here we go on a Thursday, Roland as usual, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmack, Greg Cosel in one hour from now one of my favorite fifteen minutes of the week. You play fantasy football, you bet on football. You want to get smarter on football. Greg Cosel one hour from now, So Jmax. Sometimes you can't chase the almighty dollar. If you own a company, you have to create an identity and approach. I'm not talking about individuals individually you go chase the money, but if you're forming a company, if you run a company, you've got to have an identity or an approach. And it can't all be about one hundred percent just chasing every dollar because you're trying to create a brand. You're trying to sell that to your employees, right.

Here we go on a Thursday, Roland as usual, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmack, Greg Cosel in one hour from now one of my favorite fifteen minutes of the week. You play fantasy football, you bet on football. You want to get smarter on football. Greg Cosel one hour from now, So Jmax. Sometimes you can't chase the almighty dollar. If you own a company, you have to create an identity and approach. I'm not talking about individuals individually you go chase the money, but if you're forming a company, if you run a company, you've got to have an identity or an approach. And it can't all be about one hundred percent just chasing every dollar because you're trying to create a brand. You're trying to sell that to your employees, right.

That's entrepreneur action to start the shale I lofe.

That's entrepreneur action to start the shale I lofe.

Yeah, So I was thinking about this. So tonight the Steelers, a great franchise, a lot of trophies, go to Cleveland to face the lousy Browns who are lousy again. But here's what's funny. Mike Tomlin has always been a terrible Thursday night coach. In fact, Pittsburgh is oh and seven since nineteen eighty when competing against his division on Thursday Night football, and overall on the road, he's two and eight. Now, how is that possible? Why is this happening? So whenever I see data that veers away from the standard production of a person or a business, there's got to be a reason. And I believe there is a reason. And I believe Mike Tomlin stands not only on business, that he stands for something here. It is so reportedly Mike Tomlin and the Steelers have the hardest most physical training camps in the NFL. They hit, they're relentless. That is his identity. You don't think of the Steelers and schemes. You don't think of the Steelers. Steelers an offensive wizardry. You think tough and physical. Mike's the most tough and physical coach in the NFL, and his teams are. And my guess, why can Mike Tomlin be so good on Sunday and so terrible on Thursday. Because he's old school and he views Thursday night football as unnecessary and he's not going to change his approach. His take is I'm in it for the war, not the battle. Chick Full does this. Chick fil A says we're not open for business on Sunday. They could make four billion dollars if they were open on Sunday, but they make twenty two billion Monday through Saturday. Their identity is great chicken, and they're closed on Sunday, faith and family. Sunday they could make another four billion. They're making twenty two point three and growing fast. I went there the other day. It was three in the afternoon. There were still line. The spicy sandwich is outstanding. They're not chasing the dollar. Oh, they want revenue. They've built an empire, but they won't change their identity to playcate or appeal to their critics. I respect that, and so Tomlin is saying, listen, our physical style, this is what we are. You make us play a game once a year on Thursday with three fewer days rest. When I ask my players to be more physical in camp, more hitting during the week, more physical than any team, it's our identity. I'm gonna punt. I'm not saying I want to lose, but I'm not changing my approach. And to prove this, when you give the Steelers extra rest, one day extra rest, they're unbeatable on Monday. They've won twenty two straight games Monday night football at home. So thing about this Mike Tomlin Sunday good, Monday excellent. He will not forego or alter his identity or his physical culture because he asks more of his players. He asked his players to hit harder, work harder, wear pads more often, up to league You know, ceiling. You're not gonna change his idea. It's the only thing that explains why this team is so great with extra rest, very very good with normal rest, and terrible with short rest. Here's Mike Tomlin on facing the Cleveland Browns tonight.

Yeah, So I was thinking about this. So tonight the Steelers, a great franchise, a lot of trophies, go to Cleveland to face the lousy Browns who are lousy again. But here's what's funny. Mike Tomlin has always been a terrible Thursday night coach. In fact, Pittsburgh is oh and seven since nineteen eighty when competing against his division on Thursday Night football, and overall on the road, he's two and eight. Now, how is that possible? Why is this happening? So whenever I see data that veers away from the standard production of a person or a business, there's got to be a reason. And I believe there is a reason. And I believe Mike Tomlin stands not only on business, that he stands for something here. It is so reportedly Mike Tomlin and the Steelers have the hardest most physical training camps in the NFL. They hit, they're relentless. That is his identity. You don't think of the Steelers and schemes. You don't think of the Steelers. Steelers an offensive wizardry. You think tough and physical. Mike's the most tough and physical coach in the NFL, and his teams are. And my guess, why can Mike Tomlin be so good on Sunday and so terrible on Thursday. Because he's old school and he views Thursday night football as unnecessary and he's not going to change his approach. His take is I'm in it for the war, not the battle. Chick Full does this. Chick fil A says we're not open for business on Sunday. They could make four billion dollars if they were open on Sunday, but they make twenty two billion Monday through Saturday. Their identity is great chicken, and they're closed on Sunday, faith and family. Sunday they could make another four billion. They're making twenty two point three and growing fast. I went there the other day. It was three in the afternoon. There were still line. The spicy sandwich is outstanding. They're not chasing the dollar. Oh, they want revenue. They've built an empire, but they won't change their identity to playcate or appeal to their critics. I respect that, and so Tomlin is saying, listen, our physical style, this is what we are. You make us play a game once a year on Thursday with three fewer days rest. When I ask my players to be more physical in camp, more hitting during the week, more physical than any team, it's our identity. I'm gonna punt. I'm not saying I want to lose, but I'm not changing my approach. And to prove this, when you give the Steelers extra rest, one day extra rest, they're unbeatable on Monday. They've won twenty two straight games Monday night football at home. So thing about this Mike Tomlin Sunday good, Monday excellent. He will not forego or alter his identity or his physical culture because he asks more of his players. He asked his players to hit harder, work harder, wear pads more often, up to league You know, ceiling. You're not gonna change his idea. It's the only thing that explains why this team is so great with extra rest, very very good with normal rest, and terrible with short rest. Here's Mike Tomlin on facing the Cleveland Browns tonight.

I know, as a collective, we better be prepared for a hostile environment. The dog Pound, etc. And so we got some new people, whether they're new to us and new to the National Football League, they need some quick education while we do the physical work that's necessary to position ourselves for performance.

I know, as a collective, we better be prepared for a hostile environment. The dog Pound, etc. And so we got some new people, whether they're new to us and new to the National Football League, they need some quick education while we do the physical work that's necessary to position ourselves for performance.

It's a great message. Don't change your approach in life, don't change your identity in life chasing something that isn't necessary, which is perfection. Nobody's gonna go seventeen to O. The teams that win the Super Bowl don't go seventeen to no. So don't change your approach. Don't pray at the altar of revenue on every corner. I'm not saying you shouldn't take a better job, but when you're building something in asking a lot of others beyond yourself, you've got an identity. Stick with it. If they want to put someone on a streaming service on Thursdays, maybe we win, Maybe we don't. Seventeen to zero, no proof. It's better than twelve and five and winning the division again. So this happened yesterday. I've said before I don't think you need to announce when you're leaving social media. Don't let the door hitch on the way out. We'll all be fine. So Lebron James said yesterday, I am taking a break from social media. He said, it's just too negative. I'll haul it you down the road getting off social take care. Damn shame what it's come to. So Lebron can't control X. Okay, and Lebron, first of all, is a forty year old man with a great family in a business, full time job. He shouldn't be on social media that much once you're in your forties or close to your forties, running a big business with a big family. It doesn't drive the revenue for his business. Shoes do production company does? That would sell for five hundred million today his annual salary of almost forty million. Lebron has also had a lot of control in his life over the Heat, over the Calves, over the Lakers, over the NBA. He's had massive leverage and I don't resent any of it. He has earned all all his leverage. Been a fan since Lebron came into the league. And he's also used social media platform since day one to stay relevant to you know, promote his businesses, to help his empire. Certainly granualar improvement, but he helps promote his businesses. He gets the game of social media. So to suddenly be deeply offended by the hellscape known as X. It feels kind of Hollywood. It's like that crazy aunt you have who suddenly, at fifty five announces I'm no longer writing the family newsletter. Oh okay, Margo, we know you're into it. Just take a deep breath. Couple of weeks off, the newsletter will arrive and Lebron will come back. All I'm saying is you can leave. You probably should take breaks. Family empire. You don't want to be on it all day, but don't take it that seriously. Use it, don't use it. I don't care. I don't resent anything Lebron's done ever, leverage, achievement, revenue, accomplishments. I don't resent any of it. But this does feel sort of like when you were nine years old and told your family I'm running away, and your mom said, okay, see at dinner. It's social media. You get the game. You've used it for twenty years to your advantage. You'll be back. You're taking a break. Any time anybody announces they're leaving anything, you know why they're doing it, don't you, Because they want you to say, don't go. Please if you want to leave the party, the bar, the lounge, do what they call, what's it called an Irish exit? Just walk out.

It's a great message. Don't change your approach in life, don't change your identity in life chasing something that isn't necessary, which is perfection. Nobody's gonna go seventeen to O. The teams that win the Super Bowl don't go seventeen to no. So don't change your approach. Don't pray at the altar of revenue on every corner. I'm not saying you shouldn't take a better job, but when you're building something in asking a lot of others beyond yourself, you've got an identity. Stick with it. If they want to put someone on a streaming service on Thursdays, maybe we win, Maybe we don't. Seventeen to zero, no proof. It's better than twelve and five and winning the division again. So this happened yesterday. I've said before I don't think you need to announce when you're leaving social media. Don't let the door hitch on the way out. We'll all be fine. So Lebron James said yesterday, I am taking a break from social media. He said, it's just too negative. I'll haul it you down the road getting off social take care. Damn shame what it's come to. So Lebron can't control X. Okay, and Lebron, first of all, is a forty year old man with a great family in a business, full time job. He shouldn't be on social media that much once you're in your forties or close to your forties, running a big business with a big family. It doesn't drive the revenue for his business. Shoes do production company does? That would sell for five hundred million today his annual salary of almost forty million. Lebron has also had a lot of control in his life over the Heat, over the Calves, over the Lakers, over the NBA. He's had massive leverage and I don't resent any of it. He has earned all all his leverage. Been a fan since Lebron came into the league. And he's also used social media platform since day one to stay relevant to you know, promote his businesses, to help his empire. Certainly granualar improvement, but he helps promote his businesses. He gets the game of social media. So to suddenly be deeply offended by the hellscape known as X. It feels kind of Hollywood. It's like that crazy aunt you have who suddenly, at fifty five announces I'm no longer writing the family newsletter. Oh okay, Margo, we know you're into it. Just take a deep breath. Couple of weeks off, the newsletter will arrive and Lebron will come back. All I'm saying is you can leave. You probably should take breaks. Family empire. You don't want to be on it all day, but don't take it that seriously. Use it, don't use it. I don't care. I don't resent anything Lebron's done ever, leverage, achievement, revenue, accomplishments. I don't resent any of it. But this does feel sort of like when you were nine years old and told your family I'm running away, and your mom said, okay, see at dinner. It's social media. You get the game. You've used it for twenty years to your advantage. You'll be back. You're taking a break. Any time anybody announces they're leaving anything, you know why they're doing it, don't you, Because they want you to say, don't go. Please if you want to leave the party, the bar, the lounge, do what they call, what's it called an Irish exit? Just walk out.

You'll be back.

You'll be back.

You want to join your friends, promote your business. People aren't picking on Brownie. He's a six ' to one two guard. They don't exist in the sport, and many believe you used your power to wedge him in to the organization. In fact, there are reports more than one that the Lakers told other teams to not draft him. You play the game, but the game has two outcomes, some positive, some negative. You'll be back just like I was at nine years old for dinner. All right. We got a lot of stuff going on today, a lot of balls in the air. If you will, it's in our world we live in now. If you're even kind of good, people know about you. If you're great, you're worshiped. Is there one person in the world of football in America that is great and is actually undervalued and underrated, and we'll talk about that person. I believe there is next.

You want to join your friends, promote your business. People aren't picking on Brownie. He's a six ' to one two guard. They don't exist in the sport, and many believe you used your power to wedge him in to the organization. In fact, there are reports more than one that the Lakers told other teams to not draft him. You play the game, but the game has two outcomes, some positive, some negative. You'll be back just like I was at nine years old for dinner. All right. We got a lot of stuff going on today, a lot of balls in the air. If you will, it's in our world we live in now. If you're even kind of good, people know about you. If you're great, you're worshiped. Is there one person in the world of football in America that is great and is actually undervalued and underrated, and we'll talk about that person. I believe there is next.

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You're now entering the No Ball zone sponsored by credible great rates none of the ball. So I was thinking about this generally, when people are great, we all know they're great. Everybody knows Vince Barti is great and Bill Belichick was great. People have asked me throughout the years two or three best coaches all time, And I've always felt Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. But everybody knows and worships at the altar of the late Bill Walsh and the current Bill Belichick. And there was outrage when seventy year old Belichick, off struggling seasons and weird coordinator choices and awful drafts, didn't get like multiple job offers. And here's Andy Reid. So the NFL. He's going for his nineteenth ten win season on Sunday. I think they played Carolina. He'll get it. So I think he is just historically underrated the NFL. The premise, though, is the NFL was built on physicality and brutality. We all grew up with defense, wins championships. In fact, in the seventies and eighties and nineties, if you look at the NFL promos, the hits they show are now outlawed. The CTE lawsuit Roger Goodell had several owners, including Jerry Jones, say hey, hey, we're paying quarterbacks now twenty thirty forty million dollars protect our assets. And so suddenly the NFL changed rules. In twenty fourteen, you couldn't grab wide receivers at the line of scrimmage advantage offense. In twenty eighteen, they enhanced roughing the passer. In twenty seventeen, head shots, you're out of the game again. Now wide receivers can go over the middle. By the way, those are all excellent moves. The game is now smarter, The game is now safer, and despite players getting bigger, stronger, and faster, the level of violence has gone up because human beings get bigger, stronger, and faster. Generally, you get to a Super Bowl and everybody's got all their starters. It's pretty remarkable. They've extended the season. The game's more physical, but they outlawed the dumb stuff that you didn't need. Nobody watched for. And while they've done that over the last ten years, Andy Reid is dominated now. Andy Reid won when the rules worked against him. He got to Super Bowls. He dominated the NFC with five appearances in the NFC Championship with B and C level quarterbacks, but once the game veered toward him with Alex Smith and Mahomes ten wins, ten wins, ten wins minimum. And my takeaway is the first twenty five years he's had twenty five year head coaching career, the first fifteen years the rules worked against him, and he still won. They still had an incredibly winning organization in Philly with out star quarterbacks. Belichick, once he got the rules pivoting against him, can't win. Maybe he will in the future, But his last three or four years defensive coordinator named offensive coordinator, he was out of touch. He was tone deaf. Andy won when the rules worked against him, and now he dominates when the rules worked for him. And I think, you know, sometimes the world changes for you. A great examples Pete Maryvich only one year of his career and he was an old, old player. Did they have a three point shot? Pete Maravich born too early? His creativity is long range shooting. If he was born twenty years ago, Pete Marrivitch breaking into the NBA, would he would be like Steph Curry with better handles. He'd be an unbelievable superstar back then, he was kind of quirky and weird and wild and a wizard and never really panned out to the NBA like you thought he would. So Andy Reid is fortunate that as he's aged, finally the league getting smarter and safer, has pivoted in his direction. But it worked against him for years, and he was still winning when it worked against him. J Mack with a news, No.

You're now entering the No Ball zone sponsored by credible great rates none of the ball. So I was thinking about this generally, when people are great, we all know they're great. Everybody knows Vince Barti is great and Bill Belichick was great. People have asked me throughout the years two or three best coaches all time, And I've always felt Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. But everybody knows and worships at the altar of the late Bill Walsh and the current Bill Belichick. And there was outrage when seventy year old Belichick, off struggling seasons and weird coordinator choices and awful drafts, didn't get like multiple job offers. And here's Andy Reid. So the NFL. He's going for his nineteenth ten win season on Sunday. I think they played Carolina. He'll get it. So I think he is just historically underrated the NFL. The premise, though, is the NFL was built on physicality and brutality. We all grew up with defense, wins championships. In fact, in the seventies and eighties and nineties, if you look at the NFL promos, the hits they show are now outlawed. The CTE lawsuit Roger Goodell had several owners, including Jerry Jones, say hey, hey, we're paying quarterbacks now twenty thirty forty million dollars protect our assets. And so suddenly the NFL changed rules. In twenty fourteen, you couldn't grab wide receivers at the line of scrimmage advantage offense. In twenty eighteen, they enhanced roughing the passer. In twenty seventeen, head shots, you're out of the game again. Now wide receivers can go over the middle. By the way, those are all excellent moves. The game is now smarter, The game is now safer, and despite players getting bigger, stronger, and faster, the level of violence has gone up because human beings get bigger, stronger, and faster. Generally, you get to a Super Bowl and everybody's got all their starters. It's pretty remarkable. They've extended the season. The game's more physical, but they outlawed the dumb stuff that you didn't need. Nobody watched for. And while they've done that over the last ten years, Andy Reid is dominated now. Andy Reid won when the rules worked against him. He got to Super Bowls. He dominated the NFC with five appearances in the NFC Championship with B and C level quarterbacks, but once the game veered toward him with Alex Smith and Mahomes ten wins, ten wins, ten wins minimum. And my takeaway is the first twenty five years he's had twenty five year head coaching career, the first fifteen years the rules worked against him, and he still won. They still had an incredibly winning organization in Philly with out star quarterbacks. Belichick, once he got the rules pivoting against him, can't win. Maybe he will in the future, But his last three or four years defensive coordinator named offensive coordinator, he was out of touch. He was tone deaf. Andy won when the rules worked against him, and now he dominates when the rules worked for him. And I think, you know, sometimes the world changes for you. A great examples Pete Maryvich only one year of his career and he was an old, old player. Did they have a three point shot? Pete Maravich born too early? His creativity is long range shooting. If he was born twenty years ago, Pete Marrivitch breaking into the NBA, would he would be like Steph Curry with better handles. He'd be an unbelievable superstar back then, he was kind of quirky and weird and wild and a wizard and never really panned out to the NBA like you thought he would. So Andy Reid is fortunate that as he's aged, finally the league getting smarter and safer, has pivoted in his direction. But it worked against him for years, and he was still winning when it worked against him. J Mack with a news, No.

News, this is the herd line news, all right, Collin.

News, this is the herd line news, all right, Collin.

We loved Jim Harbaugh in these waters and he just keeps saying awesome stuff. Jim Harbaugh is hyping Justin Herbert again. He spoke this week about what makes his quarterback.

We loved Jim Harbaugh in these waters and he just keeps saying awesome stuff. Jim Harbaugh is hyping Justin Herbert again. He spoke this week about what makes his quarterback.

So great Talent and effort and then some then then you know, just intangibles that are off the chart, every every measurable you could have for a quarterback, tangible or intangible.

So great Talent and effort and then some then then you know, just intangibles that are off the chart, every every measurable you could have for a quarterback, tangible or intangible.

Enjoy it.

Enjoy it.

He's he's not only one of the best in the game currently, he's he's one of he's one of the best of all time.

He's he's not only one of the best in the game currently, he's he's one of he's one of the best of all time.

Nothing.

Nothing.

I'm going out on a on a on a really call it on a ledge and a limb. I do not feel at all like I'm going out of limb and saying that all right.

I'm going out on a on a on a really call it on a ledge and a limb. I do not feel at all like I'm going out of limb and saying that all right.

So before you laugh and scoff a, scoff, I love Herbert. Okay, all right, we actually our staff was able to pull some numbers through five seasons where justin Herbert all time.

So before you laugh and scoff a, scoff, I love Herbert. Okay, all right, we actually our staff was able to pull some numbers through five seasons where justin Herbert all time.

This is staggering. I did not know this. He's number one in completions in the history of football through first five.

This is staggering. I did not know this. He's number one in completions in the history of football through first five.

Seasons with two coaches, one a complete disaster and one that didn't work.

Seasons with two coaches, one a complete disaster and one that didn't work.

He's a backup.

He's a backup.

Coaching sixth in touchdown passes, fourth and passing yards. I know it's just a couple of stats, a couple data points.

Coaching sixth in touchdown passes, fourth and passing yards. I know it's just a couple of stats, a couple data points.

Not the end of the world.

Not the end of the world.

But let's be real here, Herbert is on a trajectory to be one of the all time greats.

But let's be real here, Herbert is on a trajectory to be one of the all time greats.

I don't think there's anywhere ask yourself this to brains matter four point two college grad tutor in biology, de size matter, big mobility, check arm strength. Check what doesn't he have? He doesn't quite have the touch of Joe Burrow or the elusiveness of Lamar Jackson. It's close, but he is an a minus in every single box. Mahomes is the only other guy and maybe Josh Allen that are an A minus minimum in every box. There's just not many people on the planet.

I don't think there's anywhere ask yourself this to brains matter four point two college grad tutor in biology, de size matter, big mobility, check arm strength. Check what doesn't he have? He doesn't quite have the touch of Joe Burrow or the elusiveness of Lamar Jackson. It's close, but he is an a minus in every single box. Mahomes is the only other guy and maybe Josh Allen that are an A minus minimum in every box. There's just not many people on the planet.

I know there's people listening, Oh, playoff wins does he have? And that's why this okay, wins is not a quarterback stat that's gone guy at a sports bar. He's got a playoff win. Again, had the worst coach in the league for two years in Brandon Staley.

I know there's people listening, Oh, playoff wins does he have? And that's why this okay, wins is not a quarterback stat that's gone guy at a sports bar. He's got a playoff win. Again, had the worst coach in the league for two years in Brandon Staley.

That's not an argument. If you look like he got.

That's not an argument. If you look like he got.

To the playoffs and they choked against the Jaguars. Remember they had that huge lead. We were watching that game together.

To the playoffs and they choked against the Jaguars. Remember they had that huge lead. We were watching that game together.

Who what time out? Oh you're right to Jags many, Yeah, you're right.

Who what time out? Oh you're right to Jags many, Yeah, you're right.

So he doesn't have a playoff win yet, but that doesn't matter.

So he doesn't have a playoff win yet, but that doesn't matter.

Like if you look at the intangibles, look at the numbers, Herbert is on a trajectory. I mean I tried to tell the producer, like, is Herbert already a top twenty five quarterback all time?

Like if you look at the intangibles, look at the numbers, Herbert is on a trajectory. I mean I tried to tell the producer, like, is Herbert already a top twenty five quarterback all time?

And you know people, well he doesn't have Super Bowl wins.

And you know people, well he doesn't have Super Bowl wins.

Well, here's the thing, here's the thing.

Well, here's the thing, here's the thing.

It's it's easy.

It's it's easy.

I always think my favorite I think a cool job would be a baseball scout or an NFL scout where you find gems. Anybody can say, now, hey, Josh Allen's good. Any dope can say that. But It's fascinating to find Josh Allen when he's at Wyoming, like scouts, did you know John Snyder at Seattle as junior year is like, yeah, this kid's not winning any games. That is a prospect. That's a general manager that knows what the hell they're doing. When you can find a guy that's not winning games. Patrick Mahomes had a losing record. Andy Reid and Brett Feach are like, that's the next Brett Farv. He can't even win in the Big twelve. Any dope can look at an Oklahoma quarterback you know when Lincoln was there, and go, well, it's a pretty good quarterback. You have a great offensive coach when you can't win games in college like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes the two best quarterbacks in the league, and you can spot him. Or you're Joe Burrow and you had to transfer because Ohio State wouldn't even play you. You go to LSU, he loses his junior year.

I always think my favorite I think a cool job would be a baseball scout or an NFL scout where you find gems. Anybody can say, now, hey, Josh Allen's good. Any dope can say that. But It's fascinating to find Josh Allen when he's at Wyoming, like scouts, did you know John Snyder at Seattle as junior year is like, yeah, this kid's not winning any games. That is a prospect. That's a general manager that knows what the hell they're doing. When you can find a guy that's not winning games. Patrick Mahomes had a losing record. Andy Reid and Brett Feach are like, that's the next Brett Farv. He can't even win in the Big twelve. Any dope can look at an Oklahoma quarterback you know when Lincoln was there, and go, well, it's a pretty good quarterback. You have a great offensive coach when you can't win games in college like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes the two best quarterbacks in the league, and you can spot him. Or you're Joe Burrow and you had to transfer because Ohio State wouldn't even play you. You go to LSU, he loses his junior year.

He's not winning that many Gamestown backs.

He's not winning that many Gamestown backs.

So it's like Justin Herbert's great. The smart people, Noah and the other people are just waiting for him to win a bunch of games. Like if you can't see him and his greatness. There's nothing I can do for you.

So it's like Justin Herbert's great. The smart people, Noah and the other people are just waiting for him to win a bunch of games. Like if you can't see him and his greatness. There's nothing I can do for you.

And you know, listen, I know the whole two got taken before him. We like Duah. He's good, he's fine, he's not yeah, discussed at all time.

And you know, listen, I know the whole two got taken before him. We like Duah. He's good, he's fine, he's not yeah, discussed at all time.

Great, he's not close to her.

Great, he's not close to her.

But you can't even go to cold Weather and win games, by the way, Christmas, Dave, Dolphins, Packers, like I don't know, like Justin. Herbert goes anywhere he's in competition to win. I love Herbert a lot.

But you can't even go to cold Weather and win games, by the way, Christmas, Dave, Dolphins, Packers, like I don't know, like Justin. Herbert goes anywhere he's in competition to win. I love Herbert a lot.

It's interesting.

It's interesting.

You're gonna go to Rams Chargers on Monday Night football.

You're gonna go to Rams Chargers on Monday Night football.

Here this week?

Here this week?

Yeah, well, you know, in five days or whatever I thought, the Rams played. I'm sorry. Chargers Ravens the Hardball Bowl.

Yeah, well, you know, in five days or whatever I thought, the Rams played. I'm sorry. Chargers Ravens the Hardball Bowl.

That's a great game.

That's a great game.

Colin, you got to get there.

Colin, you got to get there.

I may do that.

I may do that.

Yeah, wife will give you the hall pass behind.

Yeah, wife will give you the hall pass behind.

I have not been invited.

I have not been invited.

I mean, Jim Harball comes on the show.

I mean, Jim Harball comes on the show.

JK.

JK.

Dobbins comes on the show. I don't think it'll be a problem, all right, man.

Dobbins comes on the show. I don't think it'll be a problem, all right, man.

Next story is the Green Bay Packers twenty twenty three season ended with a tough loss to the Niners.

Next story is the Green Bay Packers twenty twenty three season ended with a tough loss to the Niners.

They led for much of that game. Great comeback by Brock Perty.

They led for much of that game. Great comeback by Brock Perty.

Anyways, Sunday on Fox, green Bay is looking to get revenge against a struggling San Francisco team. Jordan Love says, they do want that revenge.

Anyways, Sunday on Fox, green Bay is looking to get revenge against a struggling San Francisco team. Jordan Love says, they do want that revenge.

I think just ending the season, you know, get into the playoffs and you know, being knocked out by the forty nine ers.

I think just ending the season, you know, get into the playoffs and you know, being knocked out by the forty nine ers.

I mean, any whoever it would have been.

I mean, any whoever it would have been.

You know that that game is definitely gonna sit with you, and you know that's what you gotta you know, kind of just sit with all off season is going back watching that game, kind of trying to see what you could have been better, what you could have done differently in that game. So it definitely stits with you through the offseason and then obviously move on. But yeah, just knowing that that's the team that knocked us out, you know, we're definitely hungry for this game.

You know that that game is definitely gonna sit with you, and you know that's what you gotta you know, kind of just sit with all off season is going back watching that game, kind of trying to see what you could have been better, what you could have done differently in that game. So it definitely stits with you through the offseason and then obviously move on. But yeah, just knowing that that's the team that knocked us out, you know, we're definitely hungry for this game.

Yeah. The it's very very weird line movement. So the money is on the Niners. It started two and a half, it's down to one and a half and I like green Bay.

Yeah. The it's very very weird line movement. So the money is on the Niners. It started two and a half, it's down to one and a half and I like green Bay.

Rock Perty did not throw it practice yesterday. He was there, he just didn't throw.

Rock Perty did not throw it practice yesterday. He was there, he just didn't throw.

I don't get the movement of the line. Green Bay at home played poorly and one brought Purty's not healthy. That's a really weird line move.

I don't get the movement of the line. Green Bay at home played poorly and one brought Purty's not healthy. That's a really weird line move.

So that game, do you remember that game last year? That playoff game? It was incredible.

So that game, do you remember that game last year? That playoff game? It was incredible.

Aaron Jones had a couple of huge plays for the Packers, and then of course fourth quarter was dominated by san fran the key touchdown drive late by Purdy.

Aaron Jones had a couple of huge plays for the Packers, and then of course fourth quarter was dominated by san fran the key touchdown drive late by Purdy.

I kind of them with you. I think it's Packers or nothing here, but I don't want to. I don't want to fade the Niners when we have one of.

I kind of them with you. I think it's Packers or nothing here, but I don't want to. I don't want to fade the Niners when we have one of.

The best teams and one of the best rosters in the league.

The best teams and one of the best rosters in the league.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm not going to fade the Lions or the Eagles right here.

I'm not going to fade the Lions or the Eagles right here.

You're not going Colts this week?

You're not going Colts this week?

No, No, I'm not fading certain Juggernauts, but fading the Niners at five and five. I don't have a problem with that.

No, No, I'm not fading certain Juggernauts, but fading the Niners at five and five. I don't have a problem with that.

Kyle shanahanah pretty good coach.

Kyle shanahanah pretty good coach.

And this is this is the biggest must win this week in the NFL for the Niners. You can't lose this and face Buffalo the following week off of Buffalo, off.

And this is this is the biggest must win this week in the NFL for the Niners. You can't lose this and face Buffalo the following week off of Buffalo, off.

Of bye, then it's really over. So this I think this is the biggest game on the slate this week. Niners Packers. It's must win for the Niners, plus if Arizona wins, they're there now up to with the tiebreaker. Colin, It's it's dire time. Final story. Is the Detroit Lions best team.

Of bye, then it's really over. So this I think this is the biggest game on the slate this week. Niners Packers. It's must win for the Niners, plus if Arizona wins, they're there now up to with the tiebreaker. Colin, It's it's dire time. Final story. Is the Detroit Lions best team.

In the NFL At nine and one dominant victory in week eleven, they're averaging thirty two points per game. Jared Gofflin, it's the team to avoid complacency as they head into the final weeks of the regular season. Goff said on Wednesday that none of this is easy and it takes a lot of hard work to keep playing at a high level.

In the NFL At nine and one dominant victory in week eleven, they're averaging thirty two points per game. Jared Gofflin, it's the team to avoid complacency as they head into the final weeks of the regular season. Goff said on Wednesday that none of this is easy and it takes a lot of hard work to keep playing at a high level.

So he's setting a high bar for them.

So he's setting a high bar for them.

That's your goff talking to the media, Colin, is the pressure on Detroit now that they are officially the hunted?

That's your goff talking to the media, Colin, is the pressure on Detroit now that they are officially the hunted?

No.

No.

I think generally in the NFL, we're in week twelve now. I think most years, not all years. There was the Brady Bucks team that caught fire in like week thirteen. I think in most years we have a pretty good sense by week twelve. The two or three teams that feel like Super Bowl teams, Kansas City, Buffalo, and Detroit feel like they're sort of separating from the class. Philadelphia is probably four because they're overall rosters insane and then there's a drop off.

I think generally in the NFL, we're in week twelve now. I think most years, not all years. There was the Brady Bucks team that caught fire in like week thirteen. I think in most years we have a pretty good sense by week twelve. The two or three teams that feel like Super Bowl teams, Kansas City, Buffalo, and Detroit feel like they're sort of separating from the class. Philadelphia is probably four because they're overall rosters insane and then there's a drop off.

Baltimore.

Baltimore.

No, Baltimore's defense is too bad. It's like a bad bullpen. You can't World Series with a terrible bullpen. You can't win a Super Bowl with a bad secondary, bad defense, because you can dominate a game and you give up leads late. Just like they lost to Kansas City this year. You know what they lost to the Raiders. They outplay teams and lose. Detroit can get out played, throw five picks on the road and win. That's the difference between holding a trophy and ending up shy.

No, Baltimore's defense is too bad. It's like a bad bullpen. You can't World Series with a terrible bullpen. You can't win a Super Bowl with a bad secondary, bad defense, because you can dominate a game and you give up leads late. Just like they lost to Kansas City this year. You know what they lost to the Raiders. They outplay teams and lose. Detroit can get out played, throw five picks on the road and win. That's the difference between holding a trophy and ending up shy.

You don't think there's a dangerous spot at all this week going to Indy.

You don't think there's a dangerous spot at all this week going to Indy.

No, they're playing.

No, they're playing.

They're hosting the Bears by the way on Thanksgiving. Divisional game, short week. No, no, no, no, the Colts is the side. Okay, the Colts is the side. But I think the Lions will figure out a way to win.

They're hosting the Bears by the way on Thanksgiving. Divisional game, short week. No, no, no, no, the Colts is the side. Okay, the Colts is the side. But I think the Lions will figure out a way to win.

But listen seven and a half at home, Anthony richardson playing now with confidence. It's a short You know Detroit's looking ahead to a division game, no question.

But listen seven and a half at home, Anthony richardson playing now with confidence. It's a short You know Detroit's looking ahead to a division game, no question.

I'll have some stuff for you tomorrow on that game in headlines if you're interested in All right, Okay, getting in front of trades and getting run over JM for the news.

I'll have some stuff for you tomorrow on that game in headlines if you're interested in All right, Okay, getting in front of trades and getting run over JM for the news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's the herd Line News.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's the herd Line News.

So you know, we were talking about Jim Harbaugh, and you know, in this business, my job is to have opinions. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. But but and by the way, people say you flip flop if I get new information, I don't flip flop. Or I do flip flop if I get new information. But if I don't, I don't flip flop. Like Jim Harbaugh forever forever I got heat, I'm like, no, you're wrong. He will be to Ohio State convincingly. At some point I didn't. I didn't flip flop. Harball was great day one. You kept throwing arrows, the bloggers, the internet trolls. I don't care. Carmelo Anthony, I said fifteen years ago, gonna be a Hall of Fame player, not a winning basketball player, nothing but hate fifteen years never bowed down to it. I was right. I don't flip flop. If I have information that I believe to be true, I will change an opinion if I get new information. I've said before, if one of our kids got really, really sick, and there was an alternative medicine that had shown very encouraging news in the space you need it, I would be like, for it. Let's not use old school medical, you know approaches, Let's try the new stuff. I am for moving off opinions. But if I'm right, I'm right. I don't think that's stubborn Johnny Manziel. I'm like, it's not gonna work. Oh, you're wrong. He's fun. And then the documentary comes out and he acknowledges I was too immature to be a franchise quarterback. I didn't bow on that one. And so I've said before Lamar Jackson, I'm not bowing to the current trend to bad mouth Lamar Jackson. He wins seventy five percent of his games in a great division and the best conference. And yes he struggles against the Chiefs and the Steelers, there is no question he does. He is two and nine against the Steelers and Chiefs and then dominates everybody else. But that doesn't define him. And I'll tell you why. Because Peyton manning against the Patriots, including the playoffs, was nine to fifteen more interceptions against New England than any other team that doesn't define him. Troy Aikman against the Niners struggled his entire career worst winning percentage than any other team. That doesn't define Troy Aikman, The Rings do. John Elway against the Raiders and the Bills a bit of a mess under five hundred a passer rating mid seventies. But yet because Lamar struggles with the greatest coach and quarterback ever and the best defensive organization in the sport Pittsburgh, you want me to say he's no good? It didn't define Troy or Peyton or Elway. What defines Lamar Jackson. He wins seventy five percent of his games in arguably the best division in football. He's the most electric athlete to ever play the position. He is absolutely loved by teammates and feared by defensive coordinators. He humiliates other pro athletes. Yes, Aikman, Elway, Peyton, Manning, Lamar Jackson, if you see them regularly. If you saw Peyton, Manning, Akman, Elway, Lamar Jackson regularly, you get a little beat on him. And if you have a really good team while you face him, you can beat them more than they beat you. Yes, that is possible, but it doesn't define them. Lamar is defined as the most electric quarterback athletically we've ever seen. The heart and soul drives more fear mahomes can beat you. He doesn't humiliate you very often. Josh Allen does Lamar Jackson does? They humiliate you. They lump, they jump over a linebacker, they run over a cornerback. Lamar makes a Pro Bowl safety lean right, he goes left, and guys are dogging that safety in the film room on Tuesday. That's the difference. So if it didn't define Peyton Elway Aikman, why does it define Lamar? He will win playoff games? What is he now twenty twenty five years old or twenty six? Remember he came into the league he was like twenty one years old. Is he twenty seven years old? Yet? I don't think he is. He's twenty six. He's twenty seven now, Okay, So essentially in the NFL you're in your prime usually like twenty six to thirty two. Quarterbacks can last like kickers a little longer. And by the way, Lamar does not take as many shots as he used to, So I don't think suddenly he's gonna run out of gas. In fact, this passed off season he lost weight to stay twitchy, and I'm watching him. He looks twitchy, He's not losing speed.

So you know, we were talking about Jim Harbaugh, and you know, in this business, my job is to have opinions. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. But but and by the way, people say you flip flop if I get new information, I don't flip flop. Or I do flip flop if I get new information. But if I don't, I don't flip flop. Like Jim Harbaugh forever forever I got heat, I'm like, no, you're wrong. He will be to Ohio State convincingly. At some point I didn't. I didn't flip flop. Harball was great day one. You kept throwing arrows, the bloggers, the internet trolls. I don't care. Carmelo Anthony, I said fifteen years ago, gonna be a Hall of Fame player, not a winning basketball player, nothing but hate fifteen years never bowed down to it. I was right. I don't flip flop. If I have information that I believe to be true, I will change an opinion if I get new information. I've said before, if one of our kids got really, really sick, and there was an alternative medicine that had shown very encouraging news in the space you need it, I would be like, for it. Let's not use old school medical, you know approaches, Let's try the new stuff. I am for moving off opinions. But if I'm right, I'm right. I don't think that's stubborn Johnny Manziel. I'm like, it's not gonna work. Oh, you're wrong. He's fun. And then the documentary comes out and he acknowledges I was too immature to be a franchise quarterback. I didn't bow on that one. And so I've said before Lamar Jackson, I'm not bowing to the current trend to bad mouth Lamar Jackson. He wins seventy five percent of his games in a great division and the best conference. And yes he struggles against the Chiefs and the Steelers, there is no question he does. He is two and nine against the Steelers and Chiefs and then dominates everybody else. But that doesn't define him. And I'll tell you why. Because Peyton manning against the Patriots, including the playoffs, was nine to fifteen more interceptions against New England than any other team that doesn't define him. Troy Aikman against the Niners struggled his entire career worst winning percentage than any other team. That doesn't define Troy Aikman, The Rings do. John Elway against the Raiders and the Bills a bit of a mess under five hundred a passer rating mid seventies. But yet because Lamar struggles with the greatest coach and quarterback ever and the best defensive organization in the sport Pittsburgh, you want me to say he's no good? It didn't define Troy or Peyton or Elway. What defines Lamar Jackson. He wins seventy five percent of his games in arguably the best division in football. He's the most electric athlete to ever play the position. He is absolutely loved by teammates and feared by defensive coordinators. He humiliates other pro athletes. Yes, Aikman, Elway, Peyton, Manning, Lamar Jackson, if you see them regularly. If you saw Peyton, Manning, Akman, Elway, Lamar Jackson regularly, you get a little beat on him. And if you have a really good team while you face him, you can beat them more than they beat you. Yes, that is possible, but it doesn't define them. Lamar is defined as the most electric quarterback athletically we've ever seen. The heart and soul drives more fear mahomes can beat you. He doesn't humiliate you very often. Josh Allen does Lamar Jackson does? They humiliate you. They lump, they jump over a linebacker, they run over a cornerback. Lamar makes a Pro Bowl safety lean right, he goes left, and guys are dogging that safety in the film room on Tuesday. That's the difference. So if it didn't define Peyton Elway Aikman, why does it define Lamar? He will win playoff games? What is he now twenty twenty five years old or twenty six? Remember he came into the league he was like twenty one years old. Is he twenty seven years old? Yet? I don't think he is. He's twenty six. He's twenty seven now, Okay, So essentially in the NFL you're in your prime usually like twenty six to thirty two. Quarterbacks can last like kickers a little longer. And by the way, Lamar does not take as many shots as he used to, So I don't think suddenly he's gonna run out of gas. In fact, this passed off season he lost weight to stay twitchy, and I'm watching him. He looks twitchy, He's not losing speed.

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Did you see your guy Lucas all banged up? Who Luca? That hasn't worked out that well for you?

Did you see your guy Lucas all banged up? Who Luca? That hasn't worked out that well for you?

Just settle down.

Just settle down.

They got to the finalsuad Greg co Cell top of next hour. Very excited for Greg co Cell today. As so this year, this past last year, I went and watched bow Knicks at or Oregon play twice. I saw him go against the Huskies in Seattle, and I knew that Michael Pennix and bow Knicks were both going to get drafted somewhere, probably in the first round. So when I went to the game, I sat, you know, near midfield. Then I went to the end zone, and then I wanted to watch bow Knicks again. I was in Utah, so I went to the Utah game. I called up a friend and got tickets. So I saw bo Nix and that when I sat right behind the Oregon bench, I wanted to see how he interacted with teammates. I was being a total dork, and so my takeaway is he's great with teammates. He's much more ripped in per My only question was does he have a good arm? Well, one of the things I watched last week, it's like he's got a better arm than I gave him credit for. And Sean Payton. I reached out to Sean Payton and Shawn's like, arm is not an issue. He can make all the throws. It is not an issue. And I think this kid because Caleb was so dynamic, and Jayden Daniels and then JJ McCarthy played for the National Championships, and then Michael Pennix had beaten bon Knicks, everybody just forgot about bow knicks. And I'm watching this kid over the last six or seven games, and I'm like, guys, this is the best quarterback. Now. I'm not saying he's going to be the best in ten years, but this year he's the best quarterback. A lot of that Sean Payton, I'm not denying it, but Drew Brees, who had Sean Payton as a coach, talked about the growth of bow Knicks.

They got to the finalsuad Greg co Cell top of next hour. Very excited for Greg co Cell today. As so this year, this past last year, I went and watched bow Knicks at or Oregon play twice. I saw him go against the Huskies in Seattle, and I knew that Michael Pennix and bow Knicks were both going to get drafted somewhere, probably in the first round. So when I went to the game, I sat, you know, near midfield. Then I went to the end zone, and then I wanted to watch bow Knicks again. I was in Utah, so I went to the Utah game. I called up a friend and got tickets. So I saw bo Nix and that when I sat right behind the Oregon bench, I wanted to see how he interacted with teammates. I was being a total dork, and so my takeaway is he's great with teammates. He's much more ripped in per My only question was does he have a good arm? Well, one of the things I watched last week, it's like he's got a better arm than I gave him credit for. And Sean Payton. I reached out to Sean Payton and Shawn's like, arm is not an issue. He can make all the throws. It is not an issue. And I think this kid because Caleb was so dynamic, and Jayden Daniels and then JJ McCarthy played for the National Championships, and then Michael Pennix had beaten bon Knicks, everybody just forgot about bow knicks. And I'm watching this kid over the last six or seven games, and I'm like, guys, this is the best quarterback. Now. I'm not saying he's going to be the best in ten years, but this year he's the best quarterback. A lot of that Sean Payton, I'm not denying it, but Drew Brees, who had Sean Payton as a coach, talked about the growth of bow Knicks.

You knew it was going to take a little bit of time this year. Hey, he's a rookie quarterback. He's going to do rookie stuff at times. He's still developing an understanding in a comfort level with the offense. He's a developing a chemistry with all of his receivers. So now I think we're just starting to see. You know, hey, we're ten eleven games into this thing, and this is what you're seeing.

You knew it was going to take a little bit of time this year. Hey, he's a rookie quarterback. He's going to do rookie stuff at times. He's still developing an understanding in a comfort level with the offense. He's a developing a chemistry with all of his receivers. So now I think we're just starting to see. You know, hey, we're ten eleven games into this thing, and this is what you're seeing.

Okay, So so J McK and I'll play a little game and we do this game about once a month where put me on the spot. All things considered, injuries, your age, your production, your floor, your ceiling, all things considered, your contract, everything considered. Who would I take over the next five years? Who would I take over the next five years? The game is called bo or No.

Okay, So so J McK and I'll play a little game and we do this game about once a month where put me on the spot. All things considered, injuries, your age, your production, your floor, your ceiling, all things considered, your contract, everything considered. Who would I take over the next five years? Who would I take over the next five years? The game is called bo or No.

This is this is going to get contentious. I'll just wonder, all right, bow next or Jayden Daniels Colin.

This is this is going to get contentious. I'll just wonder, all right, bow next or Jayden Daniels Colin.

This is a really hard one. I think because he's such an electric mover, I would take Jaden Daniels. I do have a fear about injuries, but I do think he has a chance to be the best quarterback out of this class. But I think this is way closer than most people think. I would take Jaden by an inch.

This is a really hard one. I think because he's such an electric mover, I would take Jaden Daniels. I do have a fear about injuries, but I do think he has a chance to be the best quarterback out of this class. But I think this is way closer than most people think. I would take Jaden by an inch.

Okay, So it's next five years, right, Who would you rather have for the next five years?

Okay, So it's next five years, right, Who would you rather have for the next five years?

Bo Nicks or Caleb Williams.

Bo Nicks or Caleb Williams.

Okay? I do not think it's fair because of the coaching staff in Chicago to judge Caleb Williams. I need a reset, come back and do this segment in one year, in week twelve, and then I'll have an answer. I can't judge him. I think Caleb one guy's got Sean Payton. One guy's got a tire fire if you gave If you gave Caleb Sean Payton, you think he'd be pretty good. Probably, So I'm not gonna even do this.

Okay? I do not think it's fair because of the coaching staff in Chicago to judge Caleb Williams. I need a reset, come back and do this segment in one year, in week twelve, and then I'll have an answer. I can't judge him. I think Caleb one guy's got Sean Payton. One guy's got a tire fire if you gave If you gave Caleb Sean Payton, you think he'd be pretty good. Probably, So I'm not gonna even do this.

Let's move on to Bow Knicks or Sam Darnald.

Let's move on to Bow Knicks or Sam Darnald.

Bo Nicks. First of all, he protects the football better. He's basically inexpensive and and Darnald does have a history because of his style of getting banged up. So I think I think Bo protects the football. He's a more natural, accurate thrower. Bo Nicks.

Bo Nicks. First of all, he protects the football better. He's basically inexpensive and and Darnald does have a history because of his style of getting banged up. So I think I think Bo protects the football. He's a more natural, accurate thrower. Bo Nicks.

Next five years, Bo Nicks or Aaron Rodgers.

Next five years, Bo Nicks or Aaron Rodgers.

Aaron's old expensive prick not even close bon Knicks, And I also think bon Knicks right now is a more accurate thrower. I really do Aaron's. I'm not sure why it is, but I think Aaron's accuracy. Maybe he's losing his legs. Old quarterbacks lose their leg I don't think Aaron's as accurate as used to be.

Aaron's old expensive prick not even close bon Knicks, And I also think bon Knicks right now is a more accurate thrower. I really do Aaron's. I'm not sure why it is, but I think Aaron's accuracy. Maybe he's losing his legs. Old quarterbacks lose their leg I don't think Aaron's as accurate as used to be.

Hey, Bonnicks are one of the MVP favorites this year.

Hey, Bonnicks are one of the MVP favorites this year.

Jared Goff Again, I do think ideally you want a quarterback that can move so you can move the pocket. I would take over five years free bon Knicks over expensive Jared Goff. And again Jared behind easily the most dominant offensive line in ten years in the NFL looks perfect. I am a huge Jared Goff fan, but he's making like fifty. The other guy's making a nickel, so I can go buy other players. Also, pocket quarterbacks are great, but didn't Matt Ryan age very quickly. Pocket quarterbacks do not allow. By the way Garoppolo and Brock Purty, It's amazing how often Kyle Shanahan moves to pocket with Purdy and he couldn't with Garoppolo. It matters.

Jared Goff Again, I do think ideally you want a quarterback that can move so you can move the pocket. I would take over five years free bon Knicks over expensive Jared Goff. And again Jared behind easily the most dominant offensive line in ten years in the NFL looks perfect. I am a huge Jared Goff fan, but he's making like fifty. The other guy's making a nickel, so I can go buy other players. Also, pocket quarterbacks are great, but didn't Matt Ryan age very quickly. Pocket quarterbacks do not allow. By the way Garoppolo and Brock Purty, It's amazing how often Kyle Shanahan moves to pocket with Purdy and he couldn't with Garoppolo. It matters.

I just had to look and see if for doing brock perty or not brock Purdy. I'm sorry Bo Nicks or Kyler Murray.

I just had to look and see if for doing brock perty or not brock Purdy. I'm sorry Bo Nicks or Kyler Murray.

Bo Nicks and I love Kyler. He's more durable, he's taller. I think he's a There are things about Kyler that I've defended, but they're true about the gaming stuff.

Bo Nicks and I love Kyler. He's more durable, he's taller. I think he's a There are things about Kyler that I've defended, but they're true about the gaming stuff.

I thought he was past that.

I thought he was past that.

I like Kyler, So if I picked Bow over Kyler, it doesn't mean I don't like Kyle. I've defended Kyler Murray for literally five years, but we're considering everything. One's real expensive, one's gotten injured, One's got a little bit of baggage that I have defended but I don't love. Over the next five years, I would take Bo Nicks, bo.

I like Kyler, So if I picked Bow over Kyler, it doesn't mean I don't like Kyle. I've defended Kyler Murray for literally five years, but we're considering everything. One's real expensive, one's gotten injured, One's got a little bit of baggage that I have defended but I don't love. Over the next five years, I would take Bo Nicks, bo.

Nicks or Justin Herbert.

Nicks or Justin Herbert.

Herbert. Herbert's bigger, stronger, more powerful. Herbert is in a short list of maybe twelve quarterbacks all time that literally checks every single box.

Herbert. Herbert's bigger, stronger, more powerful. Herbert is in a short list of maybe twelve quarterbacks all time that literally checks every single box.

Okay, Bo Nicks or c J. Stroud. C J.

Okay, Bo Nicks or c J. Stroud. C J.

Stroud is bigger, I think again. C J. Stroud is being harshly judged because he has a terrible offensive line right now. It was when he has Joe Mixon and last year's protection either or if he has Joe Mixon this year or just last year's protection without Joe Mixon is really good. And he also doesn't have an offensive coach, so some of this. He's got a nice coordinator. But we have to factor in Sean Payton is helping bow Knicks. If C. J. Stroud had Sean Payton, I don't think I think you'd say c J.

Stroud is bigger, I think again. C J. Stroud is being harshly judged because he has a terrible offensive line right now. It was when he has Joe Mixon and last year's protection either or if he has Joe Mixon this year or just last year's protection without Joe Mixon is really good. And he also doesn't have an offensive coach, so some of this. He's got a nice coordinator. But we have to factor in Sean Payton is helping bow Knicks. If C. J. Stroud had Sean Payton, I don't think I think you'd say c J.

Stroud he bow Knicks or Tua Tongue.

Stroud he bow Knicks or Tua Tongue.

It's an easy one. One's expensive and one has a history of injuries. Okay, now, both both better, probably than people think. I've come around on Tua. He is an incredibly decisive, accurate thrower in warm weather if it's over forty And by the way, bow Knicks could win in Miami. Could Tua win in December and January in Denver where it's twenty four degrees, There's there's data that would indicate he couldn't.

It's an easy one. One's expensive and one has a history of injuries. Okay, now, both both better, probably than people think. I've come around on Tua. He is an incredibly decisive, accurate thrower in warm weather if it's over forty And by the way, bow Knicks could win in Miami. Could Tua win in December and January in Denver where it's twenty four degrees, There's there's data that would indicate he couldn't.

All Right, here we go bow Knicks or Drake May.

All Right, here we go bow Knicks or Drake May.

I think bow Knicks is a more natural, accurate thrower of the football. I think Drake May has some better traits, taller, stronger athlete. I will say we both like Drake May. Yeah, Drake May is going to succeed in this league. He's going to succeed in this league. But go look at bow Knicks's last seven starts with a roster that Vegas viewed as a five win roster.

I think bow Knicks is a more natural, accurate thrower of the football. I think Drake May has some better traits, taller, stronger athlete. I will say we both like Drake May. Yeah, Drake May is going to succeed in this league. He's going to succeed in this league. But go look at bow Knicks's last seven starts with a roster that Vegas viewed as a five win roster.

Oh dear, bo Knicks are your guy, Russell Wilson.

Oh dear, bo Knicks are your guy, Russell Wilson.

Bonnicks easy, he's in his prime, all right, cheap nemesis, not a We.

Bonnicks easy, he's in his prime, all right, cheap nemesis, not a We.

Got to zoom through this next one. Boon Knicks or Joe Burrow.

Got to zoom through this next one. Boon Knicks or Joe Burrow.

Joe Burrow. Burrel's in all time elegant touch fluidity, h third down. You know Herbert and Joe Burrow are on. Now we're talking. We're talking top fifteen all times.

Joe Burrow. Burrel's in all time elegant touch fluidity, h third down. You know Herbert and Joe Burrow are on. Now we're talking. We're talking top fifteen all times.

Two games. I'm gonna take a deep breath here. Bonnicks or Jalen.

Two games. I'm gonna take a deep breath here. Bonnicks or Jalen.

Hurts very very close. Here's what concerns me with Jalen Hurts. He is very dependent on his legs and bo Nicks has proven even through nine to ten game, twelve games. I think Bo. I think Bo in the pocket is a better pocket passer.

Hurts very very close. Here's what concerns me with Jalen Hurts. He is very dependent on his legs and bo Nicks has proven even through nine to ten game, twelve games. I think Bo. I think Bo in the pocket is a better pocket passer.

Through for sixty yards against the Jets like six.

Through for sixty yards against the Jets like six.

Weeks ago in a typhoon, it was like a cyclone bomb. By the way, you knew who was worse in that cyclone bomb. There aeronatus.

Weeks ago in a typhoon, it was like a cyclone bomb. By the way, you knew who was worse in that cyclone bomb. There aeronatus.

We know that I can't believe this dealing. Oh my gosh, I'm sorry. Jalen bon Nicks or Dak Prescott.

We know that I can't believe this dealing. Oh my gosh, I'm sorry. Jalen bon Nicks or Dak Prescott.

Okay, Dak lost his mobility after the first surgery. Lisa Salter said, he's not back for eight months. What do I get so like again next year? Dak is whatever he is, A is a cap hit fifty million, sixty whatever he is. One guy's free. One guy doesn't allow me to get a number two.

Okay, Dak lost his mobility after the first surgery. Lisa Salter said, he's not back for eight months. What do I get so like again next year? Dak is whatever he is, A is a cap hit fifty million, sixty whatever he is. One guy's free. One guy doesn't allow me to get a number two.

I'm not gonna fight you on that one. Bow Knicks or Jordan Love.

I'm not gonna fight you on that one. Bow Knicks or Jordan Love.

This is the hardest one, just the single hardest one. It is the single hardest one by a mile. I don't. I want to pass. I don't. We'll time out here. Here's my problem. Here's my problem. I think Jordan loves bigger, faster, better athlete, better arm, and I like Jordan loves dude. He is reckless and that does concern I'm gonna pass. We'll do this. What is this when we.

This is the hardest one, just the single hardest one. It is the single hardest one by a mile. I don't. I want to pass. I don't. We'll time out here. Here's my problem. Here's my problem. I think Jordan loves bigger, faster, better athlete, better arm, and I like Jordan loves dude. He is reckless and that does concern I'm gonna pass. We'll do this. What is this when we.

We're letting you bet the rules on the blaze in five? I don't.

We're letting you bet the rules on the blaze in five? I don't.

This is pushing. This is pushing the envelope. Here coward passing on two of them. Come on, pooper, get off the face.

This is pushing. This is pushing the envelope. Here coward passing on two of them. Come on, pooper, get off the face.

I don't know. I don't know about this big fuck.

I don't know. I don't know about this big fuck.

We'll go to the last one, and we saved a good minute here bow Knicks are brock Perdy.

We'll go to the last one, and we saved a good minute here bow Knicks are brock Perdy.

I don't even think it's close. I think it's don't either. First of all, one guy's one's a first round or one's a seven.

I don't even think it's close. I think it's don't either. First of all, one guy's one's a first round or one's a seven.

Here we go with the draft fix, like one.

Here we go with the draft fix, like one.

Guy actually won big time in college at two places. I mean, what's Auburn been since bone next left stinkerny. I don't know.

Guy actually won big time in college at two places. I mean, what's Auburn been since bone next left stinkerny. I don't know.

I think you think that's a layup. Can we show the full screen where you? I mean, some of these colin are inexplicable. You're gonna get lit up like a Christmas draw. Well which one the internet whips?

I think you think that's a layup. Can we show the full screen where you? I mean, some of these colin are inexplicable. You're gonna get lit up like a Christmas draw. Well which one the internet whips?

I know you don't care about it, By the way, I don't know. I don't either.

I know you don't care about it, By the way, I don't know. I don't either.

But there was a couple that were tough, like Kyler Murray is more naturally goofed. So they have me choosing bone Nicks over Jordan Love.

But there was a couple that were tough, like Kyler Murray is more naturally goofed. So they have me choosing bone Nicks over Jordan Love.

So you basically have bon Nicks as a top ten quarterback in the league right now? Is that what you're saying? Look look at the list.

So you basically have bon Nicks as a top ten quarterback in the league right now? Is that what you're saying? Look look at the list.

By the way, last year I had crazy. Last year I had c J. Stroud as a top ten quarterback. Why can't I have proven stuff?

By the way, last year I had crazy. Last year I had c J. Stroud as a top ten quarterback. Why can't I have proven stuff?

Bone Mix hasn't proven anything. He's been good, but he hasn't proven top ten.

Bone Mix hasn't proven anything. He's been good, but he hasn't proven top ten.

He's got the Denver Broncos in the playoffs in week eleven.

He's got the Denver Broncos in the playoffs in week eleven.

Twelve, Yeah, we twelve hasn't happened. They may beat the Raiders, who are down three quarterbacks this week.

Twelve, Yeah, we twelve hasn't happened. They may beat the Raiders, who are down three quarterbacks this week.

But they beat the Raiders. Buy your playoff tickets.

But they beat the Raiders. Buy your playoff tickets.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh.