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Yehow we liked the Cowboys to win. So let's start the show talking about that. If you are a Cowboy fan, you shouldn't feel pretty good. Let's be honest. You were on the road and it was about as revd up as a New York crowd has been in a long time. You had a backup quarterback, You didn't play great football, tons of penalties, Ceedee Lamb dropped a pass probably would have been a touchdown. Old Line's still not healthy. I mean you're using backups and in division you won, So let's start with that. Anytime you would back to back games with a backup quarterback, especially on the road, feels great. Also, the pass rush against the Bengals and the Giants, that is now an area of strength. DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons was about seventy great pass rush against the Bengals against the Giants, that is clearly now an area of strength. I think it's the strength of the team. But this is a four or five year trend. We talked about this with Green Bay. You roll a couple of dysfunctional Indivision teams like the Giants and Washington. Here comes Washington for the Cowboys and they're going to roll them, and the fans buy in, oh man, this team is. But you look around and you think to yourself, I've been watching this for four or five years. And Green Bay we talked about this. Dallas and Green Bay are these massive brands make us feel good about the NFL. They got a lot of fans that didn't even grow up there, so they make a lot of noise. And they've got a couple of wildly dysfunctional teams in their organization in their division, the Lions and the Bears, and every time they have a bad game, they just happen to be playing one of those teams off in at Lambeau. And the network puts it on because the network loves Green Bay and they love the rivalry with the Bears, so they put it on television and they roll. And the networks love the Cowboys and Giants, and oh that's gonna get a rating. You get New York's media market and the big star with the Cowboys, and they roll them every time because the Giants are dysfunctional, and so this is the reality of what happens. Networks put the Packers and the Cowboys on these standalone games with their dysfunctional in division rivals, and you forget about what they look like two weeks ago or three weeks ago. I mean, this is the seventh straight divisional win for the Cowboys. If you take out the dak injured year, the Cowboys are twenty and four in their division since twenty seventeen. And they're often on television and they're off in the Sunday night game or the Monday night game or or the Big Fox game. There are the nation's watching. They're dysfunctional THESI. The networks love the Cowboys Giants. You get the New York market, you get the Cowboys. They love the Packers, Bears, you get the Chicago market. But we know the Packers and the Cowboys in the last ten years, they always feel like they kind of come up short. But they're fans. Everybody for Dallas is buying in this morning, and I'm sorry. I'm an outsider, so I'm sorry if I cannot put you in the Class or the Bills or the Ravens or the Rams or the Chiefs, I can't do it. I mean, you got to feel good about winning on the road when you dropped the touchdown, you had a backup quarterback. It was a hostile environment. But boy, does this feel like a rinse and repeat to me not to be mister negative. But yes they rolled the Giants, and yes the Packers roll the Bears, but neither one of them has a quarterback that will probably be playing in their city in three years, two years, or for Daniel Jones maybe next year. Mike McCarthy after just love the division win, the complimentary football that we played today. You know, it's it's always refreshing, you know, a long week, and you know you come up here and you know you're in a hotel all day. But I just think our guys did a really good job executing the game plan, staying after it. And but yes, I mean excellent way on the road, pass rush excellent. Micah Parsons star Ceedee Lamb has star potential. Treyvon Diggs similarly. But again, I cautioned Packer fans after clabbering the Bears, and I'll caution Cowboy fans after rolling the New York Giants. We've been on this thing for like seven years, standalone Giant Cowboy game, standalone Packer Bear game. We know who wins, we know the reaction at the end of the year. We also know the result disappointment. All right, let's talk New York Giants. Listen, First of all, the crowd was great. I've said it, it's just better when the Yankees win. Baseball is better when the Yankees win. Even the second team in town, when the Mets win, it's fun. It's better when the Knicks win. The gardens electric. That crowd last night was great. New York is football starved. Here's the good news. I think I don't know, but I think you've got the right coach. He's an offensive coach. He's authentic, he's relatable, he has a track record of making quarterbacks better. So I think you have the right coach, and I know of all the boxes you have to check in the NFL, you got the left tackle right. The rest of the old line stinks, but you got the left tackle right. And I think you got the head coach right. So in all the things you have to check, the seven or eight boxes you have to check in the NFL, culture coach, quarterback, you've got an I think, and an I know, and that's it. You don't have to have a great running back and say Quan's really good. But you can keep making excuses. Well, the offensive line wasn't good Josh Allen's until this year, offensive line wasn't very good. He made plays. He got into the end zone. Until this year. I didn't like the Bill's offensive line. Well as receivers are dropping the ball. The receiving crew not good. Lamar Jackson would be MVP today he lost Hollywood Brown. Great quarterbacks make stuff happen. I've seen Daniel Jones, He's fourteen and twenty six. Go ahead and keep blaming the offensive line. Last year, Lamar Jackson lost Ronnie Stanley, three running backs, and Baltimore was the number one seed before Lamar Jackson got hurt. Josh Allen came into this league. He still doesn't have a dependent or running game. Still, the offensive line the first three years was a mess. He got into the end zone. Daniel Jones is one of those guys where if the protection is perfect, where nobody drops and he passes, when it's a clean pocket, when everything's lined up and every players lined up, he's okay. That's not the NFL. It's like when you hire a babysitter. Yes, if my children were always well behaved when they were five, it would be perfect. But one of them will light something on fire, somebody will run out in the yard and you'll have to find him. One will bring a big snake into the basement. If you're a babysitter and have five year old kids, it's not gonna be perfect unless they go to bed by the time you get there. See, you better get a good babysitter. It's the same with the quarterback. I was talking to Joe Burrow yesterday afternoon. He's like, you go to the line. One of the receivers is in the wrong space, left guard misses his assignment. You got an audible at the line because the protection's not set for the play. You'll look at the clock. You're on the road in New York and it's down to four. Make it happen. Lamar does, Josh Allen does, Joe Burrow does. Joe Burrows protection stunt call. Last year he got to the Super Bowl. He got sacked fifty one times or was it seventy one or was it one hundred and one? He got to the Super Bowl. Justin Herbert set rookie records. His first year is the second worst offensive line in the league. It's one thing if you're Dak and you walk in and Zeke's a rookie and the old lines amazing, and you got Jason Garrett an offensive coach, and you got thirteen and three in the world's perfect. How do the Cowboys look now? The offensive line's a mass and Amari Cooper has gone and Zeke is washed. That's what you need at quarterback? Yes, Brian Dables getting the most out of him. Yes, receivers dropped the ball. Yes, outside of left tackle, the offensive line is dubious. Look at what Lamar's facing week to week. Good God, Matt Stafford right now, Andrew Whitworth retires, They're very good. Center's gone, ob j that didn't resign him, Alan Robinson as he washed, cam Makers keeps fumbling and they win. I mean you're looking, yes, when things are all perfect and the pocket is clean and you have time to well that receiver fell. Ye, have receivers fall all the time, and that receiver dropped a pass. Do you know in the last four years what quarterback has dealt with the most drops? Patrick Mahomes Brady Second drops are part of it, Oline, misqs in inefficiencies are part of it. You gotta make plays, you gotta get into the end zone. So the good news is I think Dabele's the right guy and he'll get the best out of Daniel Jones. But when everything works perfectly on a play, it's okay. It's okay. Here's Brian Dable after I thought he did a good job keeping his eyes down feel when he could get out. You know, he made a couple of plays there at the end. You know that we couldn't quite convert on hit some drop passes. You know the last play that that Dick's picked off Stills fell down and it was a timing throw. Again, I was, you know, I think he's making progress. You know, it's tough after loss. You know, nobody did well enough and well understand that. Yes, he's making progress. I hope so he finally has a competent coach. I don't care about progress. I don't care about making progress. Make plays, get into the end zone. Lamar does. Three running backs hurt, left tackle gone, best receiver leaves right now. I'd be the MVP. Last year, was the number one seed before he got hurt. Josh Allen's first two year, they still don't have a running game. Zone line was a mess. First two years in. He was from Wyoming. He didn't even play in a Power five conference. He didn't the speed of the game was like lightning to him, and they just made plays. It's some, but I mean, we don't even know if Cliffs Kingsbury can coach three years. Boom boom boom boom boom. Cider got better stumbling this year, but boom boom boom boom boom got better. But making progress that's a given. That's like saying, you know, I bought a house and the roof doesn't leak. Make Look at Jalen hurts his progress. Nobody's talking about Jalen Hurts making progress. You know what we're talking about. Damn he's good. Damn he makes plays. Why are we get to the end zone. I'm not interested in your progress. I'm interested in making plays. And he's a guy, Okay, nice guy, like old guy, probably a backup guy. Forty five minutes from now heard Hierarchy Will the Jags sneak in Jags? Pretty interesting? McIntyre called it. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in non easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app for Endless hot Water fifteen year limited warrant Teach Who's Navvy and go to Tankless made simple dot Com. So Davante Adams was a packer, and there's an argument to be made. I would buy into it that he's as good a receiver as the league has. He's really really good. And he and Aaron Rodgers for the last two or three years, it was like that was the couple, Like that was the quarterback receiver com Bow. They did the back shoulder, They liked each other, they were trust a ball. He's really hard working, and then he decides to go to the Raiders. Uh, you know, he played college football. Derek Carr Vegas. There's a lot more to do closer to family. I got it. Um, you know, I get it, and I think I still think it'll be fine. But he talked over the weekend. He is frustrated and angry how things are working out for him. Frustrated and angry, spect more. I mean, it's it's not easy to win his league. So we know that, and we you know, nobody's knife to the fact that it's not. Nobody's just going to lay down and just give you a victory. But any of the day, we spect more and we we'll do better before Okay, this is early in the process, and there's no right or wrong here. First of all, they may have been one of those combos where nobody wins the divorce. I mean, green Bay has one touchdown in the second half in three games one. They need him the reigning d vpr and Rodgers. The Packers are twenty seventh in scoring, behind the Jets, behind the Texans. It's like Green Bay was way better with him, and they were a way more lethal team in the second half with him. When Aaron's rolling out, stuff breaks down and you just need a trustable dude. But Davante Adams chose a perpetually poorly run franchise with a head coach who had failed his previous gig with a less talented quarterback. Though I liked Derek Carr and a historically battle line you have to go back to, like the seventies or eighties since we last loved the Raiders offensive line. So now, this wasn't Kevin Durant leaving the Warriors. The Packers aren't the Warriors title wise, but it was taking a step back in organizational functionality. So again let's contextualize it. I think it'll work out. Aaron's gonna win a bunch of games. Car and Davante are going to be just fine eventually. But when I chose Fox Sports, I considered everything. And if you consider the Raiders over the Packers, you have to consider everything. And the Raiders over the last several years, turmoil, stranger things, weirdness, instability, it's part of the everything. It's part of their everything. And so and I think Davante Adams did something that I've warned people about. Maybe I've made this mistake sometimes, I don't know. I don't think I have. But he tried to get happier than happy. I mean Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers in that easy division, making all that money the Packers were going to pay him, that's pretty good. That's a pretty good life. There's a worse life than playing with Aaron Rodgers in a lousy division making a lot of money. I mean, Davante is not a party guy. It's quiet town. He's not out there, you know. I mean, this guy's total pro putting in the hours, head down, working by himself. He not worried too much about the lights of Vegas. Right like, he had a really happy life. I've seen this before. Carmelo Anthony was in Denver. They got to the Western Conference Final. He was the star. He got all the press, he got all the love, the fans loved him. They won, and he's like, I want to get happier, and he went to the Knicks his career. I mean, he was going like this in Denver, a good roster, and I saw by the way we've seen this with Kevin Durant is winning titles. STEP's like, you take the game winning shot, and Kevin Durant's like, I'm happy. I want to get happier. It's hard, and so again there is no winner and loser here at green Bay. Obviously, their second half numbers will tell you. Davante and Aaron were great off script where they could look at each other and they just knew this is the back shoulder. Aaron doesn't trust those young receivers and they may never have that ability, so they're not the Green Bay is not nearly as frightening to play. If you leave Green Bay in the second half of a football game. They don't have that cleanup hitter. They just don't. Aaron didn't trust his receivers, and I don't think going from Green Bay and their high functionality, they're not perfect, but it's a pretty well run operation to the Raiders. Consider everything's gonna be bumpy. If you look at the Raiders schedule, here's the good news. By mid to late October, you do have some games where it could get a little easier opening up at the Chargers, Tennessee, Arizona. Now you got Denver, at the Chiefs. We probably could have predicted this. I picked the Raiders for fourth. It was gonna be a really rough September in early October, but there's some not layups. But you do got Houston, Indianapolis, Seattle, New England's offense. There's some stuff around the corner where you can get right and I think eventually they will offensively. Jmack with the News. No, no, this is the herd Line News. It started with Arizona and Kyler Murray. Uh, Kylin, We've talked about this on the show. Arizona's offense doesn't show up in the first half. Like Cliff Kingsbury's game plans have been terrible. They've been outscored fifty six to thirteen in the first half, have one touchdown so far in the first half this season. Kyler Murray explained his message to his teammates after the loss So guys all the time, always be like never, you know, never, you gotta be away playing with me Like I mean, it's um, no matter what the play is. You know, I got free reiding to do whatever, get into whatever. So when you're sleep and um, you don't think you're getting the ball, it's you know, it's we can't play like that. We everybody's gotta you know, everybody's gotta be lit up, you know, in the game, locked in and we just gotta be better and we will be. But again it's frustrated we lose what you feel like you could you know, couldn't play better, could be in the game. Who's he talking about there? Well? Green Bay struggles just scoring the second half. Why they don't have Davante feels explainable, Arizona can't score in the first half. Why the preparation thing feels explainable. Like when you see things over and over and over happened, there's usually an explanation. We've talked about this with the Bills. They can't win close games. They don't have a running game, they can't eat the clock. You know, they're they're skiing down the hill one hundred and forty miles an hour. It's so there's usually I don't know if there's a solution for this that's a realistic solution. But there's a reason it keeps happening over and over and stuff there doesn't happen randomly. I would say that maybe the video game stuff we talked about. Remember with Kyler Murray, you said somebody texted me An Arizona radio station picked up our story and has started digging into Kyler Murray video game enthusiasts, like what's he doing during the Is he seriously playing video games all day? Well, you can monitor that, right. I'm gonna go no comment on that. I'll just say this, kyl it Arizona is great as a road dog, right, they are road dog in Carolina last year Cliff Kings where he six and one away from home as an underdog. You like him this week? What don't you take on the road? Maybe your entire video game count console. It's possible. Is that possible? I think there's a good spot for Kyler Murray against his former buddy Baker Mayfield. Yeah, all right, Next up the Jags. We're talking about some off market teams here. Jags went from worst record in the league to leading their division through three games. Doug Peterson, your guy has been incredible. Trevor Lawrence has been outstanding there two and one huge game against the Eagles this week, And Trevor Lawrence says is a different Jags team than last year's group obviously, just I think the way we've we've played, you can't deny that we're that we're a really good team. But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what it says about us. We know who we are. Our only goal on Sundays to go win the game, and what other people think about us doesn't really matter. Every week, we're going to prepare the same way, we're gonna be ready to play, and we got a bunch of competitors, so it's it's been a lot of fun. Listen got him an offensive coach. They spend a lot of money on receivers. You and I, I've always felt this way, and I'm sure you do too. I root for all these young quarterbacks to work because I love football, but I don't love watching bad quarterbacked football right Like, there are teams in this league right now. Joe Flacco on the Jets are not a good watch now Zach Wilson and the Jets could be. The Giants aren't a great watch. They're bad watch. So like like, I love football, but I don't love all football. The best teams to watch in college have NFL quarterbacks. So it's like in the end, they're giving him a chance, like with that free agent spending that coach. If he doesn't work, now, that's on him because he's got more than enough weapons. And I just like it's fun to watch this young talented guy get a fair shot at succeeded. I was on Jackson for the last two weeks. This defense is flying around and get Lloyd out of Utah. I know you're a big He was the best linebacker in the conference, one of the best graded outline back because in the league through three games, Devin Lloyd has been outstanding. I'll say this. I listen, I know you like the Chargers. You got people there look like that team kind of quit in the second half. You hear what happened in the Chargers locker rounded like the locker room was they just cleaned out. Everybody's like, I'm out of here. Listen. After that James Robinson fifty yard touchdown run, I think it was fourth and one. He just peeled off. Nobody touched him, the Chargers just it looked like the energy was out of the room. Everybody's hurt. They go to Houston this week, that lines come down two and a half points already, Colin that I don't want to talk Brandon Staley's job security, but this is a big spot for the Chargers, it is. You're right, all right, let's wrap up. Let's wrap up with some NBA shall we? Media Day yesterday, you know Media Day where everybody's gotten stronger and James Harden lost twenty five pounds, best shape of his life. I look pretty good. Zion always looks great in the off season. You know he's not eating. Um. Let's get to the Lakers, though, of course everybody cares about them. Anthony Davis had some insight into the team's mindset. The Lakers are now underdogs. According to Anthony Davis, all Right, I think it just takes time, you know, you know, we're able to sit down and talk, uh this all season it's about like, okay, what works, what didn't work? Um, and hopefully we can all the things that didn't work kind of figure it out. UM. Obviously, new system, new coach. You know, all of us have a chip on our shoulder. Um and I think, uh, it's gonna be a great year for us. But you know we can't. It's not just gonna be given to us. We gotta go take in and we gotta you know, starts them all. It's coming in and just working each and every day. You know, sometimes teams are good and other times they're just really interesting. I will say this, I've been I've been more critical of all the l A teams. I've been on the Lakers harsh for two years. Front office, ownership roster. They are interesting. The Shrewder Westbrook, Pat Beverly backcourt. You have three guys past their prime who were all kind of rich, have a strong point of view in life. That thing is tnt That thing is and I'm not talking about the network. That thing is totally combustible. I do think if Anthony Davis plays seventy games this year of the eighty two, it's a good basketball team. Lebron is still when he's on the floor, take yan Us out. He's as good as anybody else in the league at any one point. Now, I'm not gonna get seventy four games from him, but take yan Us out. Lebron's healthy. It's a Tuesday night. He's as good as anybody else in the league. On the floor for thirty two minutes, did you see pat Bev said Russell Westbrook is his best buddy in the locker room and there now a chummy colin. By the way, Hey, you need to rest up for November because this Laker's potential implosion with the World Cup and the NFL and college football. Just just strap in like it's good because I'm telling some of this net stuff. I don't know if we'll get too later in the show what's going on with the Brooklyn Nets. Already Kyrie and Kevin Durant like Lakers November is gonna be wild. Put that net stuff in the her les. J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News. So I like data, and I'm kind of a nerd that way, and I like finding trends and I'm always reading lists and studies and trends. So the Patriots, according to sources, Mac Jones is going to be out for a month. High ankle sprain really ugly, pretty predictable, mess in New England, right, we all, we all, everybody kind of felt like, outside of like diehard Patriots fan, this isn't gonna work. Defensive coordinator too, Offensive coordinator Joe Judge, maybe calling plays. This isn't gonna work, especially with the young quarterback who needs the feel and the touch and the support. So the Mac Jones thing obvious. I went and looked this morning the seven lowest rated passers in the NFL, and I want it for our radio audience. I'm gonna read this seven lowis rated. Jamis Winston defensive coach, Joe Flacco defensive coach, Davis Mills defensive coach, Mitch Trubisky defensive coach, Matt Ryan offensive coach. They showed life last week. Mac Jones defensive coach, Justin Fields, defensive coach. I've been on this for two years now. It's not a coincidence, Okay, Mac Jones without Josh McDaniels, an offensive guy has regressed badly. He's awful. Now. Justin Fields has twenty three completions in three games. Yet, Who's exploded? Trevor Lawrence, new offensive coach, exploded, Tua new offensive coach exploded. Jalen hurts, same offensive coach, growing, ascending, exploding. I set up with the Jets Robert Sala, unproven defensive coach with a kid from Byu whoa Woa woa whoa. That is a huge risk for the record. Jamis Winston last year with Sean Payton a one O two passer raiding. A few months later with a defensive coach, he's a disaster passer rating in the high seventies. So there are two major fundamental changes that have happened in football America at every level. Safety because of the Here are the two big changes because of the lawsuit for CTE. Because of the safety concerns. High school football, you're hitting less. College football, they'll throw you out of games. If you hit a game high, hit a guy high, they'll throw you right out of the games. NFL you can't hit quarterbacks. Now, you can't hit anybody over the middle. What does that mean? The game has gotten more finesse, more offensive leaning. What does that mean? This is the second part. Players and kids always see the trends early. They're on social they're talking to friends. The two positions now in football high school, college and pro that are exploding with talent quarterback and wide receiver. You get the fame, you get the girls, you get the money, and you can't hit them. You can't hit receivers anymore. You can't hit quarterbacks. So I get the big money, I get the endorsements, I get the fame. You can't hit me. You go look at high school recruiting in California over the last five years, there's no running backs available. The state produces no running backs. If you go look at twenty twenty four rivals recruiting of the top hundred players, I swear to god, they're thirty five receivers and ten quarterbacks. Like nobody wants to play in the interior old line, nobody wants to be running back. So we got these big, big cultural changes. The best athletes that want to play football, they want to play two positions. And if they can't play quarterback they're a big guy, or they're not talented enough to play wide receiver, then they want to play corner or edge rusher because you can get sacks, you can get fame. And I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm just saying this is what I'm not saying it's a bad thing. If I was a young sixteen year old that was talented. I want to play quarterback and wide receiver. I don't get hit and I have a chance to play longer and get the money. Of course I want to play that position. I could have been a sportswriter. I chose radio and TV like I get it. Part of the reason was I thought it was a cooler job. So I think when you start looking around this league right now, the seven lowest passer ratings are six defensive coaches. Rules have changed because of fear. Roger Goodell's biggest is a death on the field. They are taken away big hits in college, they're taking them away in the NFL. Concussions. Moms don't want their young boys to play football right in some parts of the country. So it's like, let's make the game safer. You got seven on seven leagues, you got flag football leagues everywhere. And what it means is more offense, more great quarterbacks, more passing, more star wide receivers. That's why betting's gotten harder. I was talking to a gambling guy a couple of weeks ago. I said, it used to be if you had a ten point lead with five and a half to go. You won the bet, you won the game. Teams can catch up so fast now because the wider receiver. Cincinnati's got two star receivers. The Buccaneers when they're healthy, have three or four. That's never the way it was. It was like Jerry Rice played for the Niners. He was great. At one point. They even had John Taylor a second good receiver San Francisco. Now Deebo's a star, Brandon i Yuks a star, George Kittle's a star. This Danny Gray kid could be a star. People like Jennings. Teams have three or in five targets and it's only going to explode. So that's why I say you hire Robert Sala Matt Eberflus. I'm not saying they can't coach good luck, especially with a young quarterback. Maybe it's different if you have Peyton Manning in his thirteenth year or Brady in his fifty. Brady with Todd Bowles, that's fine. Tom's got his way of doing business. That's okay. That's fine to me. Tom Brady with a defensive coach. By the way, Josh Allen is at a point in his career now he's been here four or five years, defensive guy, you just need a good coach. You know, you get to a point in your career. You know Patrick Mahomes at this point, if he gave him a defensive head coach, he's still gonna be fine. But those first two three and a half years, you give a young guy a defensive coach, you lose the offensive coordinator. It is punitive. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and nouon Easter nine a m. Pacific. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler Le Barrington and I couldn't be more cited to announce a new podcast called Up on Game? What is up on Game? You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler t J. Hushman Zatta and Super Bowl champion Yep, that's right, Plexico Burds. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with Me LeVar Arrington, TJ. Hushman Zatta, and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast from Sunday. It's a classic NFC East rivalry on Fox as Carson Wentz Lea's Washington against Zeke and the Cowboys or other regional action. It all kicks off Sunday at one Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports Apple. I'm gonna take the under on Bears, Giants whatever it is. Wa Yeah, I think he unders twenty one. Now, he's my guy. Matt Moseley, Cowboy in Cider Doomsday podcast is fantastic covering the Cowboys for nineteen twenty years. Okay, let's start with a Dak Cooper Rush thing. I think Dak's better, but there's a lot of talk on the internet. Cooper Rush does the simple things. He's accurate, he gets the ball out, he doesn't move around. He's working right now. You know. He and Ceedee Lamb look pretty slick last night. There is no quarterback controversy, Mosey, right, none, Right, trying to do this and one of your buddies, I was seeing middlecoff Is out there last night trying to get some kind of controversy going. It's not gonna happen. You're paying the guy forty billion dollars. It's not like the Romo thing Romo. It was at the end of his career, but it has shocked everyone, including fans, Jerry, everybody, how well Cooper Rush has played. So I do think he's functioning extremely well. The best thing he does is he doesn't turn the ball over, and that's the backbreaking thing. And in a game like that, you know a team desperately needs you to help them. That kind of anemic offense. Where the Giants I heard you just king about them. You know their whole office is based on, well, maybe the quarterback can run for eighty or ninety yards. That's a losing proposition when there's no way to get the ball down field. So I really, I mean, they feel great about Cooper Rush, and it's allowed Dak. If they were losing these games, I promise you Dak may have had that stitch take it out like three days ago. They might have ramped this up even more. And they've been able to settle down and be a little patient with his process. Yeah, for the record, when Ceedee Lamb dropped that first pass, I almost went to social and said, is heel one? Because we know he's talented. He was great at Oklahoma and then he made that great catch later and you're like, yeah, he's a one was last night. Maybe I'm being over I'm hyping it. It felt like a little breakthrough that he had the awful drop and then the great catch with a backup, And I felt like a little bit of a breakthrough night for CD that he came back and made the play of maybe the year offensively, Am I overstating in or did you feel it was pretty interesting night for CD? Overall? Yeah? I thought it was very important for him to come back like that. Even the other eighty eights Daz was there. Drew Pearson's been calling him out, Michael Irvin. I mean, I you know, there's a legacy that comes with that position, and so much pressure was on him as the number one wide receiver and quite honestly, first game not good, second game better, third game, horrible drop, and I think he put it. You know, he was really upset with himself, Cooper Rush and Heed's help. He's not a great quarterback, but he needs and Noah Brown's sitting there step it up for him and he wasn't getting it from CD Lamb. So I do think that was very important, and I think it was important. It was a real breakthrough that used the discret to get on social I mean you actually sat on that idea and didn't tweet something that was good. Yes, I'm growing, Matt, I'm growing as a human being. So I sometimes over the course of a season, you can be optimistic about something and then you see it develop. The Cowboys pass rush. I've watched back to back weeks and I'm like, all right, DeMarcus Lawrence has re arrived. Micah wasn't even all healthy. Can we say this morning the strength of this team going forward is the pass rush. Yeah, No, I think that's I think that's the greatest part of this team right now. And the fact that Parsons was not at his best and Lawrence was able to step up, because Lawrence has taken a back seat, and he's not the kind of personality that loves taken a back seat, but he's been okay with Michael Parsons becoming the headliner. Michael Parsons showed up with a bottle of PDA light last night. The man had had some issues during the week, and yet he went out there and didn't have a sack, but had a ton of pressures. You know, played his usual game, but he didn't have to be the star in this game. They got it from other areas. Dorence Armstrong another play. You followed him since this Kansas days he crashed down in makes some place. So I think you're right. I think Dan Quinn is the star of this coaching staff, and I think the pass rush is the whole story for the Cowboys, and everything sort of works off of that, including the DB's ability to get some of those up interceptions, and I think we may have seen digs the damn may break. Now he needed to get his first interception, and now I could see that leading to quite a few of them. All right, minute and a half left, I watched all the penalties, and I'm like, the penalties don't mean you're poorly coached. Lincoln Riley said it earlier this year. He goes some penalties. I like aggressive penalties, you know, so you hit a second late. They're good penalties, bad penalties. They had a lot of penalties last night. Were you okay with it though? Did you still feel they were kind of buttoned up? Well, yeah, somewhat buttoned up because I'm comparing it to like the preseason, like fifteen penalties in a game or like sixteen. It really is McCarthy and he talked about it. Hey, some of this is September football. I'm afraid that sort of reinforces some of the mistakes. Hey, guys, here's your excuse. It's still early in the season, so we're gonna make some of this. They got to clean it up. It was a dumb call by the way on Donovan Wilson for knocking the ball away. But they got to think about that. And I didn't even know it was a rule that if the referee has to go run after the ball, that that's somehow a penalty. But they've got to think about things like that. And this is still somewhat of an undisciplined football team, all right. Matt Moseley, great seenior, co host of the Doomsday Podcast. We use him at the volume. We love him here on the show. Great insight on the Cowboys, Buddy, and you can feel, you know what, it's a road win with a backup. If you listen to Dallas Radio this morning, they should be happy, right, road win with a backup. That feels good. Oh oh yeah yeah, back headed to the super Bowl. That's there you go, Matt mos a good seeing you, my man, all right, you too listen it. My only takeaway is I think Green Bay and the Cowboys are a little similar. They're giant brands with a lot of fans that didn't grow up there, and so when they win one of those big games on television Packers Bears, Giants, Cowboys, networks love to put those games on. They love though, I mean we love if you could bid on Packers Bears. We know the Bears are dysfunctional, but it always gets a number. And the Cowboys Giants game, I don't know what the number is last night. My guess is it did pretty well. So networks love to put those on. It's a standalone game. We all go crazy when Green Bay and Dallas win those games, but they always win those games. They always, you know, the Packers are on eleven and one against the Lions and Bears and the last and many of them just not even competitive games. Did you see Dallas has Washington next? Well the role over there, they well they should. Washington's playing very badly. Ron Rivera looks like he might be in some trouble. Carson Wentz reverted the old Carson Wentz last week. But Colin, now you're looking at three and one Dallas heading into a big game against the Rams. Listen, I know DA's probably gonna be close to healthy. I'm not saying quarterback controversy, but if things are going smoothly with Cooper Rush, do you force Dack back out there against Aaron Donald? Yes? Okay, yes, Teddy Bridgewater went five and I was a backup. It's Drew's job. This is Dak's job. I'm not worried about disrupting things. Dak is better than Cooper Rush, no doubt better than Teddy Bridgewall. But do we know he's one hundred percent? Or is DA gonna be like shucks, Jerry saying this nonsense. Maybe that gives you another that's a good point. Maybe that gives you another week with a backup. But it's Dak's team. Hour two heard hierarchy next

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Yehow we liked the Cowboys to win. So let's start the show talking about that. If you are a Cowboy fan, you shouldn't feel pretty good. Let's be honest. You were on the road and it was about as revd up as a New York crowd has been in a long time. You had a backup quarterback, You didn't play great football, tons of penalties, Ceedee Lamb dropped a pass probably would have been a touchdown. Old Line's still not healthy. I mean you're using backups and in division you won, So let's start with that. Anytime you would back to back games with a backup quarterback, especially on the road, feels great. Also, the pass rush against the Bengals and the Giants, that is now an area of strength. DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons was about seventy great pass rush against the Bengals against the Giants, that is clearly now an area of strength. I think it's the strength of the team. But this is a four or five year trend. We talked about this with Green Bay. You roll a couple of dysfunctional Indivision teams like the Giants and Washington. Here comes Washington for the Cowboys and they're going to roll them, and the fans buy in, oh man, this team is. But you look around and you think to yourself, I've been watching this for four or five years. And Green Bay we talked about this. Dallas and Green Bay are these massive brands make us feel good about the NFL. They got a lot of fans that didn't even grow up there, so they make a lot of noise. And they've got a couple of wildly dysfunctional teams in their organization in their division, the Lions and the Bears, and every time they have a bad game, they just happen to be playing one of those teams off in at Lambeau. And the network puts it on because the network loves Green Bay and they love the rivalry with the Bears, so they put it on television and they roll. And the networks love the Cowboys and Giants, and oh that's gonna get a rating. You get New York's media market and the big star with the Cowboys, and they roll them every time because the Giants are dysfunctional, and so this is the reality of what happens. Networks put the Packers and the Cowboys on these standalone games with their dysfunctional in division rivals, and you forget about what they look like two weeks ago or three weeks ago. I mean, this is the seventh straight divisional win for the Cowboys. If you take out the dak injured year, the Cowboys are twenty and four in their division since twenty seventeen. And they're often on television and they're off in the Sunday night game or the Monday night game or or the Big Fox game. There are the nation's watching. They're dysfunctional THESI. The networks love the Cowboys Giants. You get the New York market, you get the Cowboys. They love the Packers, Bears, you get the Chicago market. But we know the Packers and the Cowboys in the last ten years, they always feel like they kind of come up short. But they're fans. Everybody for Dallas is buying in this morning, and I'm sorry. I'm an outsider, so I'm sorry if I cannot put you in the Class or the Bills or the Ravens or the Rams or the Chiefs, I can't do it. I mean, you got to feel good about winning on the road when you dropped the touchdown, you had a backup quarterback. It was a hostile environment. But boy, does this feel like a rinse and repeat to me not to be mister negative. But yes they rolled the Giants, and yes the Packers roll the Bears, but neither one of them has a quarterback that will probably be playing in their city in three years, two years, or for Daniel Jones maybe next year. Mike McCarthy after just love the division win, the complimentary football that we played today. You know, it's it's always refreshing, you know, a long week, and you know you come up here and you know you're in a hotel all day. But I just think our guys did a really good job executing the game plan, staying after it. And but yes, I mean excellent way on the road, pass rush excellent. Micah Parsons star Ceedee Lamb has star potential. Treyvon Diggs similarly. But again, I cautioned Packer fans after clabbering the Bears, and I'll caution Cowboy fans after rolling the New York Giants. We've been on this thing for like seven years, standalone Giant Cowboy game, standalone Packer Bear game. We know who wins, we know the reaction at the end of the year. We also know the result disappointment. All right, let's talk New York Giants. Listen, First of all, the crowd was great. I've said it, it's just better when the Yankees win. Baseball is better when the Yankees win. Even the second team in town, when the Mets win, it's fun. It's better when the Knicks win. The gardens electric. That crowd last night was great. New York is football starved. Here's the good news. I think I don't know, but I think you've got the right coach. He's an offensive coach. He's authentic, he's relatable, he has a track record of making quarterbacks better. So I think you have the right coach, and I know of all the boxes you have to check in the NFL, you got the left tackle right. The rest of the old line stinks, but you got the left tackle right. And I think you got the head coach right. So in all the things you have to check, the seven or eight boxes you have to check in the NFL, culture coach, quarterback, you've got an I think, and an I know, and that's it. You don't have to have a great running back and say Quan's really good. But you can keep making excuses. Well, the offensive line wasn't good Josh Allen's until this year, offensive line wasn't very good. He made plays. He got into the end zone. Until this year. I didn't like the Bill's offensive line. Well as receivers are dropping the ball. The receiving crew not good. Lamar Jackson would be MVP today he lost Hollywood Brown. Great quarterbacks make stuff happen. I've seen Daniel Jones, He's fourteen and twenty six. Go ahead and keep blaming the offensive line. Last year, Lamar Jackson lost Ronnie Stanley, three running backs, and Baltimore was the number one seed before Lamar Jackson got hurt. Josh Allen came into this league. He still doesn't have a dependent or running game. Still, the offensive line the first three years was a mess. He got into the end zone. Daniel Jones is one of those guys where if the protection is perfect, where nobody drops and he passes, when it's a clean pocket, when everything's lined up and every players lined up, he's okay. That's not the NFL. It's like when you hire a babysitter. Yes, if my children were always well behaved when they were five, it would be perfect. But one of them will light something on fire, somebody will run out in the yard and you'll have to find him. One will bring a big snake into the basement. If you're a babysitter and have five year old kids, it's not gonna be perfect unless they go to bed by the time you get there. See, you better get a good babysitter. It's the same with the quarterback. I was talking to Joe Burrow yesterday afternoon. He's like, you go to the line. One of the receivers is in the wrong space, left guard misses his assignment. You got an audible at the line because the protection's not set for the play. You'll look at the clock. You're on the road in New York and it's down to four. Make it happen. Lamar does, Josh Allen does, Joe Burrow does. Joe Burrows protection stunt call. Last year he got to the Super Bowl. He got sacked fifty one times or was it seventy one or was it one hundred and one? He got to the Super Bowl. Justin Herbert set rookie records. His first year is the second worst offensive line in the league. It's one thing if you're Dak and you walk in and Zeke's a rookie and the old lines amazing, and you got Jason Garrett an offensive coach, and you got thirteen and three in the world's perfect. How do the Cowboys look now? The offensive line's a mass and Amari Cooper has gone and Zeke is washed. That's what you need at quarterback? Yes, Brian Dables getting the most out of him. Yes, receivers dropped the ball. Yes, outside of left tackle, the offensive line is dubious. Look at what Lamar's facing week to week. Good God, Matt Stafford right now, Andrew Whitworth retires, They're very good. Center's gone, ob j that didn't resign him, Alan Robinson as he washed, cam Makers keeps fumbling and they win. I mean you're looking, yes, when things are all perfect and the pocket is clean and you have time to well that receiver fell. Ye, have receivers fall all the time, and that receiver dropped a pass. Do you know in the last four years what quarterback has dealt with the most drops? Patrick Mahomes Brady Second drops are part of it, Oline, misqs in inefficiencies are part of it. You gotta make plays, you gotta get into the end zone. So the good news is I think Dabele's the right guy and he'll get the best out of Daniel Jones. But when everything works perfectly on a play, it's okay. It's okay. Here's Brian Dable after I thought he did a good job keeping his eyes down feel when he could get out. You know, he made a couple of plays there at the end. You know that we couldn't quite convert on hit some drop passes. You know the last play that that Dick's picked off Stills fell down and it was a timing throw. Again, I was, you know, I think he's making progress. You know, it's tough after loss. You know, nobody did well enough and well understand that. Yes, he's making progress. I hope so he finally has a competent coach. I don't care about progress. I don't care about making progress. Make plays, get into the end zone. Lamar does. Three running backs hurt, left tackle gone, best receiver leaves right now. I'd be the MVP. Last year, was the number one seed before he got hurt. Josh Allen's first two year, they still don't have a running game. Zone line was a mess. First two years in. He was from Wyoming. He didn't even play in a Power five conference. He didn't the speed of the game was like lightning to him, and they just made plays. It's some, but I mean, we don't even know if Cliffs Kingsbury can coach three years. Boom boom boom boom boom. Cider got better stumbling this year, but boom boom boom boom boom got better. But making progress that's a given. That's like saying, you know, I bought a house and the roof doesn't leak. Make Look at Jalen hurts his progress. Nobody's talking about Jalen Hurts making progress. You know what we're talking about. Damn he's good. Damn he makes plays. Why are we get to the end zone. I'm not interested in your progress. I'm interested in making plays. And he's a guy, Okay, nice guy, like old guy, probably a backup guy. Forty five minutes from now heard Hierarchy Will the Jags sneak in Jags? Pretty interesting? McIntyre called it. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in non easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app for Endless hot Water fifteen year limited warrant Teach Who's Navvy and go to Tankless made simple dot Com. So Davante Adams was a packer, and there's an argument to be made. I would buy into it that he's as good a receiver as the league has. He's really really good. And he and Aaron Rodgers for the last two or three years, it was like that was the couple, Like that was the quarterback receiver com Bow. They did the back shoulder, They liked each other, they were trust a ball. He's really hard working, and then he decides to go to the Raiders. Uh, you know, he played college football. Derek Carr Vegas. There's a lot more to do closer to family. I got it. Um, you know, I get it, and I think I still think it'll be fine. But he talked over the weekend. He is frustrated and angry how things are working out for him. Frustrated and angry, spect more. I mean, it's it's not easy to win his league. So we know that, and we you know, nobody's knife to the fact that it's not. Nobody's just going to lay down and just give you a victory. But any of the day, we spect more and we we'll do better before Okay, this is early in the process, and there's no right or wrong here. First of all, they may have been one of those combos where nobody wins the divorce. I mean, green Bay has one touchdown in the second half in three games one. They need him the reigning d vpr and Rodgers. The Packers are twenty seventh in scoring, behind the Jets, behind the Texans. It's like Green Bay was way better with him, and they were a way more lethal team in the second half with him. When Aaron's rolling out, stuff breaks down and you just need a trustable dude. But Davante Adams chose a perpetually poorly run franchise with a head coach who had failed his previous gig with a less talented quarterback. Though I liked Derek Carr and a historically battle line you have to go back to, like the seventies or eighties since we last loved the Raiders offensive line. So now, this wasn't Kevin Durant leaving the Warriors. The Packers aren't the Warriors title wise, but it was taking a step back in organizational functionality. So again let's contextualize it. I think it'll work out. Aaron's gonna win a bunch of games. Car and Davante are going to be just fine eventually. But when I chose Fox Sports, I considered everything. And if you consider the Raiders over the Packers, you have to consider everything. And the Raiders over the last several years, turmoil, stranger things, weirdness, instability, it's part of the everything. It's part of their everything. And so and I think Davante Adams did something that I've warned people about. Maybe I've made this mistake sometimes, I don't know. I don't think I have. But he tried to get happier than happy. I mean Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers in that easy division, making all that money the Packers were going to pay him, that's pretty good. That's a pretty good life. There's a worse life than playing with Aaron Rodgers in a lousy division making a lot of money. I mean, Davante is not a party guy. It's quiet town. He's not out there, you know. I mean, this guy's total pro putting in the hours, head down, working by himself. He not worried too much about the lights of Vegas. Right like, he had a really happy life. I've seen this before. Carmelo Anthony was in Denver. They got to the Western Conference Final. He was the star. He got all the press, he got all the love, the fans loved him. They won, and he's like, I want to get happier, and he went to the Knicks his career. I mean, he was going like this in Denver, a good roster, and I saw by the way we've seen this with Kevin Durant is winning titles. STEP's like, you take the game winning shot, and Kevin Durant's like, I'm happy. I want to get happier. It's hard, and so again there is no winner and loser here at green Bay. Obviously, their second half numbers will tell you. Davante and Aaron were great off script where they could look at each other and they just knew this is the back shoulder. Aaron doesn't trust those young receivers and they may never have that ability, so they're not the Green Bay is not nearly as frightening to play. If you leave Green Bay in the second half of a football game. They don't have that cleanup hitter. They just don't. Aaron didn't trust his receivers, and I don't think going from Green Bay and their high functionality, they're not perfect, but it's a pretty well run operation to the Raiders. Consider everything's gonna be bumpy. If you look at the Raiders schedule, here's the good news. By mid to late October, you do have some games where it could get a little easier opening up at the Chargers, Tennessee, Arizona. Now you got Denver, at the Chiefs. We probably could have predicted this. I picked the Raiders for fourth. It was gonna be a really rough September in early October, but there's some not layups. But you do got Houston, Indianapolis, Seattle, New England's offense. There's some stuff around the corner where you can get right and I think eventually they will offensively. Jmack with the News. No, no, this is the herd Line News. It started with Arizona and Kyler Murray. Uh, Kylin, We've talked about this on the show. Arizona's offense doesn't show up in the first half. Like Cliff Kingsbury's game plans have been terrible. They've been outscored fifty six to thirteen in the first half, have one touchdown so far in the first half this season. Kyler Murray explained his message to his teammates after the loss So guys all the time, always be like never, you know, never, you gotta be away playing with me Like I mean, it's um, no matter what the play is. You know, I got free reiding to do whatever, get into whatever. So when you're sleep and um, you don't think you're getting the ball, it's you know, it's we can't play like that. We everybody's gotta you know, everybody's gotta be lit up, you know, in the game, locked in and we just gotta be better and we will be. But again it's frustrated we lose what you feel like you could you know, couldn't play better, could be in the game. Who's he talking about there? Well? Green Bay struggles just scoring the second half. Why they don't have Davante feels explainable, Arizona can't score in the first half. Why the preparation thing feels explainable. Like when you see things over and over and over happened, there's usually an explanation. We've talked about this with the Bills. They can't win close games. They don't have a running game, they can't eat the clock. You know, they're they're skiing down the hill one hundred and forty miles an hour. It's so there's usually I don't know if there's a solution for this that's a realistic solution. But there's a reason it keeps happening over and over and stuff there doesn't happen randomly. I would say that maybe the video game stuff we talked about. Remember with Kyler Murray, you said somebody texted me An Arizona radio station picked up our story and has started digging into Kyler Murray video game enthusiasts, like what's he doing during the Is he seriously playing video games all day? Well, you can monitor that, right. I'm gonna go no comment on that. I'll just say this, kyl it Arizona is great as a road dog, right, they are road dog in Carolina last year Cliff Kings where he six and one away from home as an underdog. You like him this week? What don't you take on the road? Maybe your entire video game count console. It's possible. Is that possible? I think there's a good spot for Kyler Murray against his former buddy Baker Mayfield. Yeah, all right, Next up the Jags. We're talking about some off market teams here. Jags went from worst record in the league to leading their division through three games. Doug Peterson, your guy has been incredible. Trevor Lawrence has been outstanding there two and one huge game against the Eagles this week, And Trevor Lawrence says is a different Jags team than last year's group obviously, just I think the way we've we've played, you can't deny that we're that we're a really good team. But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what it says about us. We know who we are. Our only goal on Sundays to go win the game, and what other people think about us doesn't really matter. Every week, we're going to prepare the same way, we're gonna be ready to play, and we got a bunch of competitors, so it's it's been a lot of fun. Listen got him an offensive coach. They spend a lot of money on receivers. You and I, I've always felt this way, and I'm sure you do too. I root for all these young quarterbacks to work because I love football, but I don't love watching bad quarterbacked football right Like, there are teams in this league right now. Joe Flacco on the Jets are not a good watch now Zach Wilson and the Jets could be. The Giants aren't a great watch. They're bad watch. So like like, I love football, but I don't love all football. The best teams to watch in college have NFL quarterbacks. So it's like in the end, they're giving him a chance, like with that free agent spending that coach. If he doesn't work, now, that's on him because he's got more than enough weapons. And I just like it's fun to watch this young talented guy get a fair shot at succeeded. I was on Jackson for the last two weeks. This defense is flying around and get Lloyd out of Utah. I know you're a big He was the best linebacker in the conference, one of the best graded outline back because in the league through three games, Devin Lloyd has been outstanding. I'll say this. I listen, I know you like the Chargers. You got people there look like that team kind of quit in the second half. You hear what happened in the Chargers locker rounded like the locker room was they just cleaned out. Everybody's like, I'm out of here. Listen. After that James Robinson fifty yard touchdown run, I think it was fourth and one. He just peeled off. Nobody touched him, the Chargers just it looked like the energy was out of the room. Everybody's hurt. They go to Houston this week, that lines come down two and a half points already, Colin that I don't want to talk Brandon Staley's job security, but this is a big spot for the Chargers, it is. You're right, all right, let's wrap up. Let's wrap up with some NBA shall we? Media Day yesterday, you know Media Day where everybody's gotten stronger and James Harden lost twenty five pounds, best shape of his life. I look pretty good. Zion always looks great in the off season. You know he's not eating. Um. Let's get to the Lakers, though, of course everybody cares about them. Anthony Davis had some insight into the team's mindset. The Lakers are now underdogs. According to Anthony Davis, all Right, I think it just takes time, you know, you know, we're able to sit down and talk, uh this all season it's about like, okay, what works, what didn't work? Um, and hopefully we can all the things that didn't work kind of figure it out. UM. Obviously, new system, new coach. You know, all of us have a chip on our shoulder. Um and I think, uh, it's gonna be a great year for us. But you know we can't. It's not just gonna be given to us. We gotta go take in and we gotta you know, starts them all. It's coming in and just working each and every day. You know, sometimes teams are good and other times they're just really interesting. I will say this, I've been I've been more critical of all the l A teams. I've been on the Lakers harsh for two years. Front office, ownership roster. They are interesting. The Shrewder Westbrook, Pat Beverly backcourt. You have three guys past their prime who were all kind of rich, have a strong point of view in life. That thing is tnt That thing is and I'm not talking about the network. That thing is totally combustible. I do think if Anthony Davis plays seventy games this year of the eighty two, it's a good basketball team. Lebron is still when he's on the floor, take yan Us out. He's as good as anybody else in the league at any one point. Now, I'm not gonna get seventy four games from him, but take yan Us out. Lebron's healthy. It's a Tuesday night. He's as good as anybody else in the league. On the floor for thirty two minutes, did you see pat Bev said Russell Westbrook is his best buddy in the locker room and there now a chummy colin. By the way, Hey, you need to rest up for November because this Laker's potential implosion with the World Cup and the NFL and college football. Just just strap in like it's good because I'm telling some of this net stuff. I don't know if we'll get too later in the show what's going on with the Brooklyn Nets. Already Kyrie and Kevin Durant like Lakers November is gonna be wild. Put that net stuff in the her les. J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News. So I like data, and I'm kind of a nerd that way, and I like finding trends and I'm always reading lists and studies and trends. So the Patriots, according to sources, Mac Jones is going to be out for a month. High ankle sprain really ugly, pretty predictable, mess in New England, right, we all, we all, everybody kind of felt like, outside of like diehard Patriots fan, this isn't gonna work. Defensive coordinator too, Offensive coordinator Joe Judge, maybe calling plays. This isn't gonna work, especially with the young quarterback who needs the feel and the touch and the support. So the Mac Jones thing obvious. I went and looked this morning the seven lowest rated passers in the NFL, and I want it for our radio audience. I'm gonna read this seven lowis rated. Jamis Winston defensive coach, Joe Flacco defensive coach, Davis Mills defensive coach, Mitch Trubisky defensive coach, Matt Ryan offensive coach. They showed life last week. Mac Jones defensive coach, Justin Fields, defensive coach. I've been on this for two years now. It's not a coincidence, Okay, Mac Jones without Josh McDaniels, an offensive guy has regressed badly. He's awful. Now. Justin Fields has twenty three completions in three games. Yet, Who's exploded? Trevor Lawrence, new offensive coach, exploded, Tua new offensive coach exploded. Jalen hurts, same offensive coach, growing, ascending, exploding. I set up with the Jets Robert Sala, unproven defensive coach with a kid from Byu whoa Woa woa whoa. That is a huge risk for the record. Jamis Winston last year with Sean Payton a one O two passer raiding. A few months later with a defensive coach, he's a disaster passer rating in the high seventies. So there are two major fundamental changes that have happened in football America at every level. Safety because of the Here are the two big changes because of the lawsuit for CTE. Because of the safety concerns. High school football, you're hitting less. College football, they'll throw you out of games. If you hit a game high, hit a guy high, they'll throw you right out of the games. NFL you can't hit quarterbacks. Now, you can't hit anybody over the middle. What does that mean? The game has gotten more finesse, more offensive leaning. What does that mean? This is the second part. Players and kids always see the trends early. They're on social they're talking to friends. The two positions now in football high school, college and pro that are exploding with talent quarterback and wide receiver. You get the fame, you get the girls, you get the money, and you can't hit them. You can't hit receivers anymore. You can't hit quarterbacks. So I get the big money, I get the endorsements, I get the fame. You can't hit me. You go look at high school recruiting in California over the last five years, there's no running backs available. The state produces no running backs. If you go look at twenty twenty four rivals recruiting of the top hundred players, I swear to god, they're thirty five receivers and ten quarterbacks. Like nobody wants to play in the interior old line, nobody wants to be running back. So we got these big, big cultural changes. The best athletes that want to play football, they want to play two positions. And if they can't play quarterback they're a big guy, or they're not talented enough to play wide receiver, then they want to play corner or edge rusher because you can get sacks, you can get fame. And I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm just saying this is what I'm not saying it's a bad thing. If I was a young sixteen year old that was talented. I want to play quarterback and wide receiver. I don't get hit and I have a chance to play longer and get the money. Of course I want to play that position. I could have been a sportswriter. I chose radio and TV like I get it. Part of the reason was I thought it was a cooler job. So I think when you start looking around this league right now, the seven lowest passer ratings are six defensive coaches. Rules have changed because of fear. Roger Goodell's biggest is a death on the field. They are taken away big hits in college, they're taking them away in the NFL. Concussions. Moms don't want their young boys to play football right in some parts of the country. So it's like, let's make the game safer. You got seven on seven leagues, you got flag football leagues everywhere. And what it means is more offense, more great quarterbacks, more passing, more star wide receivers. That's why betting's gotten harder. I was talking to a gambling guy a couple of weeks ago. I said, it used to be if you had a ten point lead with five and a half to go. You won the bet, you won the game. Teams can catch up so fast now because the wider receiver. Cincinnati's got two star receivers. The Buccaneers when they're healthy, have three or four. That's never the way it was. It was like Jerry Rice played for the Niners. He was great. At one point. They even had John Taylor a second good receiver San Francisco. Now Deebo's a star, Brandon i Yuks a star, George Kittle's a star. This Danny Gray kid could be a star. People like Jennings. Teams have three or in five targets and it's only going to explode. So that's why I say you hire Robert Sala Matt Eberflus. I'm not saying they can't coach good luck, especially with a young quarterback. Maybe it's different if you have Peyton Manning in his thirteenth year or Brady in his fifty. Brady with Todd Bowles, that's fine. Tom's got his way of doing business. That's okay. That's fine to me. Tom Brady with a defensive coach. By the way, Josh Allen is at a point in his career now he's been here four or five years, defensive guy, you just need a good coach. You know, you get to a point in your career. You know Patrick Mahomes at this point, if he gave him a defensive head coach, he's still gonna be fine. But those first two three and a half years, you give a young guy a defensive coach, you lose the offensive coordinator. It is punitive. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and nouon Easter nine a m. Pacific. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler Le Barrington and I couldn't be more cited to announce a new podcast called Up on Game? What is up on Game? You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler t J. Hushman Zatta and Super Bowl champion Yep, that's right, Plexico Burds. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with Me LeVar Arrington, TJ. Hushman Zatta, and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast from Sunday. It's a classic NFC East rivalry on Fox as Carson Wentz Lea's Washington against Zeke and the Cowboys or other regional action. It all kicks off Sunday at one Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports Apple. I'm gonna take the under on Bears, Giants whatever it is. Wa Yeah, I think he unders twenty one. Now, he's my guy. Matt Moseley, Cowboy in Cider Doomsday podcast is fantastic covering the Cowboys for nineteen twenty years. Okay, let's start with a Dak Cooper Rush thing. I think Dak's better, but there's a lot of talk on the internet. Cooper Rush does the simple things. He's accurate, he gets the ball out, he doesn't move around. He's working right now. You know. He and Ceedee Lamb look pretty slick last night. There is no quarterback controversy, Mosey, right, none, Right, trying to do this and one of your buddies, I was seeing middlecoff Is out there last night trying to get some kind of controversy going. It's not gonna happen. You're paying the guy forty billion dollars. It's not like the Romo thing Romo. It was at the end of his career, but it has shocked everyone, including fans, Jerry, everybody, how well Cooper Rush has played. So I do think he's functioning extremely well. The best thing he does is he doesn't turn the ball over, and that's the backbreaking thing. And in a game like that, you know a team desperately needs you to help them. That kind of anemic offense. Where the Giants I heard you just king about them. You know their whole office is based on, well, maybe the quarterback can run for eighty or ninety yards. That's a losing proposition when there's no way to get the ball down field. So I really, I mean, they feel great about Cooper Rush, and it's allowed Dak. If they were losing these games, I promise you Dak may have had that stitch take it out like three days ago. They might have ramped this up even more. And they've been able to settle down and be a little patient with his process. Yeah, for the record, when Ceedee Lamb dropped that first pass, I almost went to social and said, is heel one? Because we know he's talented. He was great at Oklahoma and then he made that great catch later and you're like, yeah, he's a one was last night. Maybe I'm being over I'm hyping it. It felt like a little breakthrough that he had the awful drop and then the great catch with a backup, And I felt like a little bit of a breakthrough night for CD that he came back and made the play of maybe the year offensively, Am I overstating in or did you feel it was pretty interesting night for CD? Overall? Yeah? I thought it was very important for him to come back like that. Even the other eighty eights Daz was there. Drew Pearson's been calling him out, Michael Irvin. I mean, I you know, there's a legacy that comes with that position, and so much pressure was on him as the number one wide receiver and quite honestly, first game not good, second game better, third game, horrible drop, and I think he put it. You know, he was really upset with himself, Cooper Rush and Heed's help. He's not a great quarterback, but he needs and Noah Brown's sitting there step it up for him and he wasn't getting it from CD Lamb. So I do think that was very important, and I think it was important. It was a real breakthrough that used the discret to get on social I mean you actually sat on that idea and didn't tweet something that was good. Yes, I'm growing, Matt, I'm growing as a human being. So I sometimes over the course of a season, you can be optimistic about something and then you see it develop. The Cowboys pass rush. I've watched back to back weeks and I'm like, all right, DeMarcus Lawrence has re arrived. Micah wasn't even all healthy. Can we say this morning the strength of this team going forward is the pass rush. Yeah, No, I think that's I think that's the greatest part of this team right now. And the fact that Parsons was not at his best and Lawrence was able to step up, because Lawrence has taken a back seat, and he's not the kind of personality that loves taken a back seat, but he's been okay with Michael Parsons becoming the headliner. Michael Parsons showed up with a bottle of PDA light last night. The man had had some issues during the week, and yet he went out there and didn't have a sack, but had a ton of pressures. You know, played his usual game, but he didn't have to be the star in this game. They got it from other areas. Dorence Armstrong another play. You followed him since this Kansas days he crashed down in makes some place. So I think you're right. I think Dan Quinn is the star of this coaching staff, and I think the pass rush is the whole story for the Cowboys, and everything sort of works off of that, including the DB's ability to get some of those up interceptions, and I think we may have seen digs the damn may break. Now he needed to get his first interception, and now I could see that leading to quite a few of them. All right, minute and a half left, I watched all the penalties, and I'm like, the penalties don't mean you're poorly coached. Lincoln Riley said it earlier this year. He goes some penalties. I like aggressive penalties, you know, so you hit a second late. They're good penalties, bad penalties. They had a lot of penalties last night. Were you okay with it though? Did you still feel they were kind of buttoned up? Well, yeah, somewhat buttoned up because I'm comparing it to like the preseason, like fifteen penalties in a game or like sixteen. It really is McCarthy and he talked about it. Hey, some of this is September football. I'm afraid that sort of reinforces some of the mistakes. Hey, guys, here's your excuse. It's still early in the season, so we're gonna make some of this. They got to clean it up. It was a dumb call by the way on Donovan Wilson for knocking the ball away. But they got to think about that. And I didn't even know it was a rule that if the referee has to go run after the ball, that that's somehow a penalty. But they've got to think about things like that. And this is still somewhat of an undisciplined football team, all right. Matt Moseley, great seenior, co host of the Doomsday Podcast. We use him at the volume. We love him here on the show. Great insight on the Cowboys, Buddy, and you can feel, you know what, it's a road win with a backup. If you listen to Dallas Radio this morning, they should be happy, right, road win with a backup. That feels good. Oh oh yeah yeah, back headed to the super Bowl. That's there you go, Matt mos a good seeing you, my man, all right, you too listen it. My only takeaway is I think Green Bay and the Cowboys are a little similar. They're giant brands with a lot of fans that didn't grow up there, and so when they win one of those big games on television Packers Bears, Giants, Cowboys, networks love to put those games on. They love though, I mean we love if you could bid on Packers Bears. We know the Bears are dysfunctional, but it always gets a number. And the Cowboys Giants game, I don't know what the number is last night. My guess is it did pretty well. So networks love to put those on. It's a standalone game. We all go crazy when Green Bay and Dallas win those games, but they always win those games. They always, you know, the Packers are on eleven and one against the Lions and Bears and the last and many of them just not even competitive games. Did you see Dallas has Washington next? Well the role over there, they well they should. Washington's playing very badly. Ron Rivera looks like he might be in some trouble. Carson Wentz reverted the old Carson Wentz last week. But Colin, now you're looking at three and one Dallas heading into a big game against the Rams. Listen, I know DA's probably gonna be close to healthy. I'm not saying quarterback controversy, but if things are going smoothly with Cooper Rush, do you force Dack back out there against Aaron Donald? Yes? Okay, yes, Teddy Bridgewater went five and I was a backup. It's Drew's job. This is Dak's job. I'm not worried about disrupting things. Dak is better than Cooper Rush, no doubt better than Teddy Bridgewall. But do we know he's one hundred percent? Or is DA gonna be like shucks, Jerry saying this nonsense. Maybe that gives you another that's a good point. Maybe that gives you another week with a backup. But it's Dak's team. Hour two heard hierarchy next