Hour 1 - Bronny James

Published Mar 21, 2025, 8:16 PM

Doug Gottleib fills in for Colin for day 2 of the opening round of March Madness

Doug defends Kansas head coach Bill Self after a 1st round exit

Did Bronny James finally look like an NBA player?

 

Guest: GRANT MCCASLAND

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What up? Welcome In? This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be making us part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottlieb In for Colin Cowherd on an absolutely spectacular Friday in Southern California. Absolutely spectacular Friday in Southern California. Welcome In. Had a great time hosting with the boys being back in town for a couple of days. Full disclosure, I had a full day yesterday, full day yesterday. I don't know if I shared this with you, Greg and Ryan and Ryan part of the production crew. So yesterday's show and then it's my work. It's like our celebration week for my son's sixteenth birthday, so we have a We normally do it when we lived in southern California on the Jewish holidays because he went to a small private school, and we'd go to six Flags during you know, one of the high holidays and ride all the roller coasters and just have a great time. We did it yesterday instead. And then all the while, right, you got your your cell phone's handy, we're watching the March Madness games. Then the drive home, we're watching Kansas and Arkansas, and then you watch all the games at the end as well. Right, great thing about West Coast time is they were all wrapped up and you're you're good, You're like, okay, I saw Michigan, hold off, U see San Diego and shut it down. Go to bed, wake up this morning. Oh yeah, by the way, we'll get to Brownie James's best offensive performance as a pro in the NBA last night. Full day. Uh, all right, full day. It's good day, good day. But I was we were watching Arkansas and Kansas, and I got I got a text from a friend who was like, h bill self, bill self, this thing might have passed him by. And I was, I was. I don't know if I was laughing or crying on the on the inside at that text. So you mean to tell me that a coach who just four years ago, won a national championship and had a run of what was it twelve consecutive Big Twelve titles. The game has passed him by after signing a new contract with the Jayhawks over the offseason, or there's a different way to look at it. Look, it wasn't a well played game. It was an ugly game. Self lost one of his best players to what appears to be achilles injury. But I was watching Kansas play and I was identifying, you know, their players and what was going right and what was going wrong, And like, look, I make no mistake about it. I have a ton to learn. Anybody can learn watching the best of the best of the best. You know, they mix and match with a two three zone. There's a little triangle in two. It really confused Arkansas and Arkansas just survived. Really was because Kansas just turned the ball over so much. And the things that when you games or lose you games are you know, turnovers, basically defense, turnovers and rebounding. And look at that game and Kansas had sixteen turnovers, had one less offensive rebound, and only shot outshot them from the free throw line. But you know, Arkansas took sixty five shots. They took fifty eight and they lose the game by seven points kJ Adams Hurch's Achilles ten. But then I was watching their lineups and I was like, okay, Hunter Dickinson played four years at Michigan. Zek Mayo just transferred in from South Dakota State. Riland Griffin transferred in from Alabama. AJ Storre who probably plays best game as at Jayhawk. Last night, he transfers in from Wisconsin. David quit had transferred in from Northern Illinois, and it it didn't stun me, but there was an aha moment right And obviously John cal Perry's in his first year at Arkansas and his his team will look wildly different next year, as he brought over several players, kept a couple from Arkansas last year, and then brought over players you know John L. Davis who was at Florida Atlantic. DJ Wagner who was one of the players that came over along with Big Z from from Kentucky. And I thought to myself, hold on, this is a different sport than the one both of these two men have coached in before. I actually think Bill Salz like the perfect example. The guy's the best of the best of the best. And you could say the same thing honestly about John Caliperry. Different ways of doing the same thing and same thing meaning being a Hall of Fame coach. Both are in the Hall of Fame. Both have won national titles, and Bill's won two of them, two of them. And you look at how they went about their business, right, John Calipery, you know, evolved from what he was at UMass than the NBA. And of course when he was at Kentucky it was one and done's and he would go and hand pick the best five freshmen that he could get, and more often than not it would hit and whether they got to the final four or one year one national championship or were constantly competitive at the very top of the sport, he became the signature of the one and done era. Now, truth be told that even when they won the national championship, one of the strengths of that team with some of the veteran players, but he picked off the top of the deck. Bill selve a little bit different at Kansas, Right, they had guys that you would call program guys, guys that improved over time. Darnell Robinson, for example. We'd start their career at one thing and play four or five years and evolved become really good, all big twelve caliber players, and he would sprinkle in one or maybe two one and dons and then have a couple that were pros and maybe take one transfer. And again, I don't think that it's just COVID or just NIL, or just the transfer portal, or just the fact that it's not just the transfer portals, fact you can transfer without repercussion, transfer and not set out. But those three things have changed their business dramatically, and it's hard to adjust. Hard to adjust. My mom is let's just say she's in her late seventies and we go out to dinner the other night and she's had a problem with her phone. She hands it to my son. She's like, I've had this problem for a month and won't do something, and my son presses two buttons. Problem solved because he grew up frankly too much with a phone in his hand. My mom still has a landline. How many of you have a landline? And the point is that here's the things that have changed. It started with the G League Ignite, where players could go straight to the G League for a year, get paid, and then go presumably to the NBA. Did it all work out great? Did a bunch of guys go No, but it was a couple of year. Then there was overtime Elite, which has since expanded. But did it all was Did it take twenty thirty guys? No, but there were two or three that mattered. A couple of them went to Australia. One a year maybe would go to Australia. And for John Caliperi, the pool and frankly four Bill self. The pool of those one and done's on a given year that can really impact a program was between five and fifteen, and fifteen is probably too much. Really, it's two or three and ten. And when you take just a couple of them out there out of it, and then you factor in that you know one would go to Ote, one would go Overseas, one or two would go that the night and now of a sudden that pool started to shrink. Then you factor in that there are players Kevin Durant, D'Angelo Russell are perfect examples of guys that you know could have gone to Kentucky and been a part of that one and done era, but instead chose to have their own path. And you're fighting Duke for these one and Don's and now of a sudden, instead of getting the best five players in the country, you might get one of the five best or one of the and then you strike up a lean year and it's hard. Then you go to COVID, and how did COVID affect college basketball? By the way, Bill self had a team that during the COVID could have won a national championship. They were dominant. COVID canceled that tournament. But if you go to COVID, that extended to where now you're playing against guys that have a COVID year. I don't know how many people who are listening to the Herd know this, but if you not only do you have a COVID year, that given that's the super seniors you're seeing play college basketball this year, fifth and sixth year seniors sometimes seven years. But now there's a recent ruling that if you played junior college basketball or Anaia basketball during any of those last four years this is after the COVID year, that year doesn't count and you get another year. So I don't care how good you are, with exception maybe of Cooper Flag like he's a unicorn, he's a generational player. Outside of that, all of these other freshmen, you're eighteen nineteen, and look, a lot of freshmen are twenty years old. A lot of seniors are twenty three, twenty four to twenty five years old. Steven Ashworth has played. They Creighton beat Louisville last night. Now, again, part of it is he's a Mormon, he went on a mission, But part of it is he also existed during the COVID year. He's twenty five years old with a wife and kid playing college basketball. So if you're somebody who's always played freshman, what am I gonna? This is a completely different landscape, a completely different sport. Then post COVID, you have the transfer portal and no and you can transfer without ramification. You don't have to sit out. So everything you've built in terms of your culture, and that's what Kansas is always built on their culture. Come in, you're part of KU's program. They've had transfers before, but they've never played four transfers at once. And again, it doesn't mean that transfers. I was a transfer and I didn't sit out at my school once set out of a junior college. But when you have a team full of them, and that's not how you've always coached, and coaching a transfer that's played multiple years at another school. That's here's the easiest analogy I give you. Go over to get ready to watch the games today, go over to a buddy's house, have them hand you their and say how about it. And you're a spectrum guy and he's got direct TV and you're like, wa, wait what He's got Sonos and Direct TV and he's got one Universal remote and you would look at that thing and it's not your same universal remote you got. That's what it's like to coach somebody who's who's played college basketball, has succeeded in college basketball at a different level, a different school. David Coit was at Northern Illinois and a star. Zeke Mayo was a star at South Dakota State. But now you have to completely change roles and you've played for somebody else, and there's different verbiage and different ways of doing things. And again you have a coach who's used to coaching people a certain way and now he's coaching you that same way, only you've been coached in program by somebody else. And then you factor in nil into the whole thing where, if we're honest with ourselves, there were schools that were compensating student athletes above that of your normal grant andate, room board, tuition and fees. Now everybody can, So everybody can go and find players and pay them to stay or pay them to transfer, or you can go get an overseas player whose older experience played professional basketball and can go and compete against your college player. I don't know if you want to use this as if this is an appropriate analogy, But Monday I took my son to see Black Bag. Black Bag is the new Stephen suddenheid movie. And Black Bag, by the way, if you like short movies, it's like eighty five minutes long. It's great, and it's really good. We're sitting in the movie theater. It's like a private showing. It's me and my son, nobody else, and I'm thinking to myself, this is a it is a really good movie. It was short, it was interesting, it's kind of a spy flick. It's it's it's good. I would Rotten Tomatoes. It was like in the ninety seven percent and Rotten Tomatoes. But who goes to the movies anymore. Here's a guy who's made some of the best, most clever movies in the last twenty five years, and I have no idea what it made opening Box. Of course it opens in March, which means they didn't think that it was going to do do huge numbers. But I guarantee, uh, you've seen land Man more than you've ever heard of Black Back, right, because the same people that are making the same shows, in the same movies, they're getting left behind because their business, their industry has changed, and whether they've it's changed because of COVID or changed because of our viewing habits which were only sped up by COVID, whatever it is, it's a different sport than it ever used to be. I'm watching John Caliperi come from behind and take down Kansas. Two Hall of Fame coaches, two well invested programs, and two guys who are coaching similarly, if not the same, to how they've always coached. And it has worked and it will work. But the business of the sport has changed. Yes, Arkansas one, Yes, Kansas's mix. It just I don't know what happened within the chemistry of that squad that caused them to look so dysfunctional. But the game has passed anybody by. It's just changed so quickly that you have to level up or level over, or otherwise you're leveling home. Doug Gottliebin for Colin. This is the Hurd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. We talked Bronnie a little bit at the end of the show yesterday. Did you see what he did last night? We'll discuss next in the Herd.

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Doug Allibin for Colin. This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeart Ready up. Grant mcastle and said to join us upcoming. He's the head coach of Texas Tech. The Raiders only four point lead at halftime, but then they end up winning by ten against UNC Wilmington. We'll talk with Texas Tech's second second year head coach, Grant McCaslin, who form a Baylor assistant from a head coach at North Texas. We'll get we'll get Grant in here in a moment. In the meantime, uh, let's give him like a little credit here to Bronnie James had finally had an NBA game where you're like, all right, that that tape looks like an NBA player. Now two people who are like, all good and your first in your face, Browny awesome, right, seventeen points, seven to ten from the field, five assists, three rebounds, two of four from three. Yeah, he had four turnovers. But you know Brownie was awesome last night, playing a career high twenty nine minutes. Uh yeah, I mean he shot the ball well. He looked for the first time like an NBA player, And it's like the number one thing you need in life, the number one thing you need in sports is confidence and his ability to maintain and even grow his confidence through Look, he has not had not shot the ball well at all until recently in the G League, right, percentages were thirties and twenties from field in three Now it's forties and thirties. And obviously in limited minutes, had shot the ball very poorly with the Lakers and just look lost, all right, look lost, looked overwhelmed, looked like I don't think he's got it right. It's a fair assessment. Last night I had some shots. It's also fair if We're going to be the voice of actually reasonable, and I understand that I operate in a world of sports radio and sports television where you have to have unreasonable, polar opposite takes. He can either be awesome or can't play, and there's nothing in between. You're either Lebron or you're Jordan. You can't go and they're different. I'd prefer Jordan, but I respect that because you can and you can never throw like you know, I, I mean, it's prime. I think I might take Magic or Bird, you know, or you know, some would say Kobe. I wouldn't, but some would say Kobe or Tim Duncan or you know, you have all these others that we have seen play. We're not allowed to do that. Well, I get to host The Herd and I get my own show, the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Tradio. So I'm going to do that because the reality is he was a minus thirty six. They did get smoked. They threw out essentially a G League roster, and the only other you know Laker to do anything was Dalton connect who you know with the Lakers is now based upon their roster now is probably out of the rotation or or barely hanging on the rotation as he's a rookie who they want to develop. Here's JJ Reddick talking about Brownie after the game.

You know, we've obviously monitored him in the G and I feel like he's, you know, in those sort of endgame situations when he's gotten a chance to play with us, he's been he's been really good. So not surprised by tonight. And I think his his confidence is growing because you mentioned the word comfort. That's that's certainly there for him. And I think the next step is is just you know, becoming uh like a like an elite conditioned athlete. Because when he does that with his physical tools and just his like burst and his handle, and you know, we think he's going to be an above average to really good NBA shooter.

Okay, there's there's actually a lot to kind of digest there. Okay, can I tell you what I heard in the coach's ear and trying to read now some of it is he hadn't I actually don't buy the he's been really good with us. He is not second lowest field goal percentage in the NBA. You know, you're talking about four minutes two minutes. He played sixteen minutes at Denver in a blowout, you know, barely played and hasn't looked the part. I don't think anybody would agree with that. And it's hard to do anything in four minutes or two minutes anyway. Again, if we're being fair, when he said he needs to be an elite conditioned athlete, that was a little bit of a I don't want to say shot, but that it wasn't a positive note from your head coach. That wasn't a positive note from your head coach if you said he needs to be an elite because remember, it's all about wording. JJ knows he has to knows he has to be measured in his wording. And because it's pretty obvious, I don't know, guys, if we've talked about this. I have a friend who's worked for President Trump in the first administration. And if you notice how people who work for him or want to work with him, they either bow at the altar or he tries to crucify them, right, And the expression they had in the White House, it's a real thing is you're either you're either at the table or you're on the menu. And I love that you're either at the table or you're on the menu. And honestly, that's how Lebron treats people. You're either at the table, you're on the menu. Ears are all in Lebron's the greatest and Broni's gonna be awesome, or you're on the menu, and he may tweet at you, he may call you out or call you over in the middle in the middle of a competitive basketball game. So JJ has to be measured with everything he says. Because Lebron's got rabbit ears, especially about his kid, we all kind of do. And when he says he needs to be an elite conditioned athlete that here's the translation, right, if you do the coaching translation, bron He's not in shape. Brini's not in shape. So the issue with the idea that he'll become an above average to an elite shooter is you can't show me anywhere so far in his life that that has been the case. Aget. My issue with Ronnie James in terms of the evaluation of Bronny James has been every NBA player that has been or every future NBA player I've seen outside of a couple that are truly late bloomers, right, there are some guys that are really late grew late high school, grew in college or whatever. But if you say, hey, here's a McDonald's all American, you can pick apart. You know, ten high school games in their senior year where they were the best player in the court by a mile. You're like, well, that's a pro. You know, that's a pro. I can't mention the school by name, but there's a school in Wisconsin that I believe is the number one rank school and they play the state playoffs for tonight in Madison, and I went to see them play against another school. They're both in Milwaukee, and there's a sophomore who's six foot nine, and you're like, that's a problem. And so my issue with Bronnie was like, there's never been a moment where he's been an elite, elite shooter, So why do we think he why we put that expectation that he'll be in above average, too great shooter in the NBA when that's never happened before. The part I do agree with is he's getting more comfortable, he's getting confident, and you're not gonna achieve anything if you're not confident. Last night was the first night Bronnie James looked like an NBA player. His confidence is still there. That's something outstanding considering how Oft discussed his game is despite the fact that he plays like two minutes a game for the Lakers. But let's not get a twisted. He was a minus thirty six. It was a blowout, and his own coach said he's got to get into better shape. So meanwhile, Texas Tech was fighting off UNC Wilmington and Grant McCaslin was winning an NCAA tournament game as head coach of the Red Raiders, and he joins us in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how are you, Doug? What's up? Man? How are you not as good as you coming into the game? Right when you throw on the tape selection Sunday, you're watching Wilmington. What did you think of the matchup?

Well? I was concerned, and everybody is when you get in the tournament and there's nobody you're not concerned about. But legitimately because and I said this a few times in preparation for the game, but we played coach Siddle and you and C Wilmington. When I was at North Texas in the Chances Championship of the Baha Mar So I watched them play two games leading up to it, scouting them closely, was around their program, watching them compete, and man are they tough. And they won games that they won because of their grit. They had a crazy amount of belief. They were crazy physical, They rebounded well, and so I wasn't confused on watching on film and going, oh, they're kind of small, or maybe they don't do this well. I just knew their fight level would be what it needed to be and that part really concerned me. So I was concerned to you know this, like, you can face some teams that can score, but it's teams that really believe that they're going to win or the ones that can go in there and find a way to win a game.

How long did it take your team to adjust to the factor in the NCAA tournament. And I say that because you've coached it before, right, you know what this is about, having played in it and covered it. I know that you know it's just different. You know, the environment's different, the expectation different, and you know, you just got done playing and arguably the best or second best conference in the country and there's a team that has a hyphenated dame there and all of a sudden, it's a ball game. How long did it take your team to kind of adjust to playing in the NCAA tournament.

Well, honestly, it didn't take this team very long. And thankfully we recruited a team that every player that played has played in the NCAA tournament and played multiple games games, and so that was kind of intentional, not kind of. It was intentional in the way we recruited because we just felt like, you know, maybe some guys didn't have the greatest numbers or whatever it may be, but they had all had success on teams and played a role that was significant on a team that was able to compete in the NCAA tournament. I mean, every player, like literally every transfer we've signed since we've been here in the portal has played in the NCAA tournament. So I do think that was a benefit we didn't handle the end of the half. We got a little fatigued and we got up fifteen, and we let them back in the game and they cut it to four before the half. But really to start the game, it felt like we settled in pretty well.

Yeah, I mentioned the the end of the half. It's really interesting, right because you want to go in up ten, up eleven to where they go into their locker room, and no matter what belief they have, it's dwindling. Instead, you had to think only up four. Like now, all of a sudden, they're like, we got them, We're in a good space. What was your message you'd half time?

Well, it really keyed around offensive rebounding and limiting their second attempts. And you know that's the great thing, you know, Doug, about having these the technology that we have. So I had six clips of them getting offensive rebounds or them beating our guys, and I went in there and pulled it up because you know, these tournament games you get twenty minutes. So that was the first thing we showed them. We showed them a few possessions offensively of things we can do better, and then we showed them clips at which we felt like we had holes in what we were doing defensive rebounding wise. And so there's no argument anymore. It's just these are the things we got to fix. And it's not to say you can do it because they're such a good team at rebounding specifically from the guard spots, but it at least made it clear that what the message was in order for us to win the game.

Yeah. Yeah, and you end up out rebounding them. You only have six turnovers as well, right, I mean, when if you out rebound a team and you only have six turnovers despite the fact, which is kind of strangely, you're a good free throw shooting tam didn't shoot the ball well from the free throw line, like you're gonna you're gonna win more often, more often than not, and you did. Grant McCastle and joining us. He's head coach at Texas Tech. He's been a head coach at ARC State and UH and North Texas UH and now in his second year at Texas Tech. They're twenty six and eight and the reward is the Drake Bulldogs UH and Ben McCollum, of course, has won for national titles and Division two level. We played against the Parla this year. How do you prepare for that pace? They one of the slowest paces in the country. How do you prepare for your team for that.

Well, ironically, the three seasons before that before we got here at Texas Tech, our North Texas team was the slowest team in the country. And I talked to Ben literally every day the second year I was a North Texas and prep or the third year, I talked to him basically every day for about an hour in prep for that season. And I'm not joking. I mean it was probably five months that I talked to him just about every day, and we went over philosophy. He watched film of our team and told me our offense sucked, and so I went back and watched his teams and saw how well they moved the ball. And so he and I became really close. We've known each other a while, but we became really close about eight years ago and just we talked a lot, and so we modeled a lot of our teams after the Texas Tech team and the Virginia team with Tony Bennett that played in the National championship game in nineteen And then I talked to Ben because he had won so many national championships, like, how could we do that at North Texas? So familiar with that. I mean, you just got to be comfortable with the fact that you're going to be in a grinder. I mean, you can think you can speed teams like that up, but you cannot. You really just got to take advantage of the opportunities you get and be a gritty team. And we're as to how you manage every possession and don't panic. That's the key to these games.

Don't panic. And it sounds easy, right, You're like, I've done this, but it's different for your kids. It's it's just it's it's very very different for those places. Grant mccas and join us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously coming from North Texas, coming from Arc State to Tech and for people don't know, Tech has an unbelievable level of investment, uh in not just the program everybody talks about nil, but like practice facility, the fans arena, Like the whole thing is National Championship ready, I was. I started the show talking about here you have Bill selfon and John Caliperry, and there are two guys that have won national titles, two Hall of famers, and I don't they didn't look uncomfortable, but it's such a different environment for them. You know, Self had at one point a lineup with four transfers out there, right, it's just so very different for them. For you, what has the kind of evolution of the sport been Like.

Well, I mean, you know this, Doug, we needed it, and so whether whether anybody likes it or not, it feels like this is just what should have happened at a more rapid taste over time, and we held on to something that wasn't sustainable until it broke. And then it just kind of broke everybody in a fashion that feels like it's it's separated. You know a lot of people quickly, and I do know, and you know this, and I'm thankful that I've been turning over rosters and teams and that experience of doing that and not having the continuity gives you a different confidence level that of what it is that you're looking for in a short amount of time. And I just think that's extremely different than Hey, we're going to get this guy and he's going to be with us for four years. And that mentality over time is helpful in some scenarios, but it just wasn't my story and our story. I mean, I was a part of rosters and I took you know, junior college to Division two and then was at Arkansas State. Then one year later I was at North Texas and then we revamped that roster and flipped it in two years and had transfers every year. So I will tell you the biggest thing for me is really trying to find the quality of a guy that you want to be around every day, that you feel like believes in winning. And I know that sounds easy, but it really is not. It's unique to every team of finding that. And I think the obsession with finding guys that really want to win in a climate where everything's changing quickly is probably the most valuable that you can find.

No, I could not possibly agree with you more. I had a conversation with a parent two days ago, three days ago, talk for an hour. When I hung up the phone, I talked to my staff and they're like, what'd you think coaching? I said, we talked for an hour. Now one second did the parent talk about, hey, my kid can help you win? None of it? And I was like, I think I'm gonna think. I'm think, I'm gonna think I'm gonna pass. I see, you have the day off, a day to prep. They run a million things. He has guys, you know, Ben has guys that have played for him for four and five years, four and five years. How do you prep for a Drake and Ben McCullum in you know, forty eight hours.

Well, you know, it's it's crazy. But because we're so close, and obviously Jeff Linder was an assistant in Emporia estate, Ben took his spot when Jeff came and he and I worked together at Midland College back in two thousand and three. So it's a wild circle. But we actually scrimmaged them at our place in October, So, I mean, who would have thought?

Not me?

But when the first two brackets came up, first two.

Reasons, that's that's that's that's crazy. That is that's that's crazy crazy.

So like when the first two bras it's came up on in the NCAA tournament, and I knew they would be somewhere around you know, a ten eleven, you know seed, and I knew we were probably going to be a three, and I was just like, don't say it, you know, And so I sent the you know, a message to Ben after the second bracket came out with the hand over the face emoji, like is this really going to be us? And sure enough, you know, there it came. So I just you know, if you prepare basically in regards to now we kind of know what it is for both of us. I mean, they're not going to be overly concerned about size and athletics because they played Case State, they played in Missouri. I mean they're going to be teed up for it. And at least we have some film of trying to guard a lot of their actions that we can at least reference. And our guys have a genuine respect for the way those guys compete and how good they are.

Yeah, that'll be fun, fun and yet not fun. That's that's right. Like why it was I based paid for I got paid for a coaching clinic when we played played there. As I walked away, I was like, hey, coach, I got a lot of notes. I really appreciate the coaching clinic. Thanks, thanks so much. Shook the hand and he was he was really kind after beating us. Hey man, always rooting for you, keep it going, and thanks so much for being our guest on Fox Sports.

Tradil No, you're the best, brother. Good good to catch up. Talk to you soon.

Thanks g Greg Grant McCastle and head coach of the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. You want to talk about evolutions, and obviously I think it happened when Chris Beard was there, but uh, you know, I was obviously played in the Big twelve and we're at Okahmam State. They opened that arena went my senior year, so the ninety nine two thousand and it's always been beautiful, and they used to say it was too big. It's too big. It's too big, it's too big, and now it might be too small. It's they you can win NASH Championship there as as Chris Beard nearly did, and uh and gret Mcastles got a chance to win one this year. I'm Doug Gottliebin for Collin. This the Hurt on Fox Sports Radio, the iHeartRadio app are the Warriors title hopes in trouble. Wait do you hear what happened next?

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Doug Golliwan for Colin Cowhard. This is the heard Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. Grant MCCASLMS spoke glowingly about Ben McCullum, the Drake Head coach has won four national titles at the Northwest Missouri State. He'll join us top of next hours. The head coach at Drake Bulldogs took down the Missouri Tigers last night, got LED's start to finish. And you know, I think the mainstream world has learned what we in college basketball new, which is Drake's been for you all year, undefeated in the non conference, beate Vanderbilt, beat Kansas State. They're legit. And Ben McCollum, obviously at Guy's a ball coach. He's pretty darn good. He'll join us top of next hour. Plus you'll hear interesting thoughts from Najie Harris on his former team, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Speaking of the Pittsburgh Steelers, we have breaking news as a part of Herdline News with Ryan Music.

No, no, this is the Herdline News.

Hello Ryan, Oh, Doug, good morning, And I don't know, you know, normally Monday mornings, second hour we do where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. This will be a little Herdline News, NFL update and a where Doug Gottlieb was right. Breaking news coming out of Pittsburgh.

That's right.

Jerry Dulac a longtime reporter for Pittsburgh and the Steelers, tweeting out breaking Aaron Rodgers is at the Steelers facility today, an indication a deal with the team could be forthcoming. Per sources, Aaron Rodgers Steelers facility deal potentially incoming, that tracks, that tracks and for what I was referencing to those who did'no. Yesterday on the show, Doug very C laid out Aaron Rodgers making a announcement about the team he will sign with in the middle of the start of March Madness weekend. It's perfectly Aaron Rodgers.

Now, I will say that it does. It's a little bit like a holiday weekend, right, so it kind of becomes a Friday news news dump, but it's a sports holiday weekend. So yeah, Aaron Rodgers will be on the bottom line on every broad sports broadcast network. I do think that if we're honest with ourselves, no matter what you feel about Aaron, positively or negatively, and how he handles himself or even how he played this year with the Jets, he started to look he looked washed early in the year, but by the end of the year, he's not vintage Aaron Rodgers, but he's a pretty good quarterback. Totally a pretty good quarterback. Yeah.

Him and Cousins were like in reverse. Cousins was better early and then fell off a cliff. Rogers did not look look right initially, and then you know, it feels like most people tuned out because you sort of major opinion formed your opinion. Ah, he can't play anymore. Ah, the Jets are a dumpster fire. And actually the last nine or ten games he was very much in that, like you know, maybe like the fifteenth most productive, fourteenth most productive quarterback in the league.

Fair fair fair fair fair fairpoint, fair point.

I was next, all right, you talked about this before the break, before this NFL news is some NBA news. Warriors got the win last night, but Steph Curry went down hard, had to leave the game late in the third quarter, driving to the hoop, hit up high by two Raptors players, landed hard on his back. Warriors are saying it is a pelvic conetusion injury.

That's right.

He was taken in for an MRI. No reported results just yet. Head coach Steve Kerr after the game did say Curry thought he might be able to make a comeback, but we just decided not to risk anything. Hopefully it's not bad. So the surging Warriors dealing now with a potential injury, hopefully not serious.

To Curry, I don't think you've ever heard of a pelvic contusion. I would say though that when you think of pelvis, we think of the front side. That's not feels like a tailbone, right, Yeah, isn't a tailbone technically a pelvic injury? I need a ruling. If you want to tweet at us, let us let us know. Ye one more.

That is it for right now. We can do a quick tournament update. You have Alabama taken on Robert Morris. They're up eight in the early and the start of that game. And then we also have Baylor taken on Mississippi State. They have a four point lead over in Mississippi State.

And that's Ryan Music with the news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

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