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All right, here we go.

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It is a increasingly busy Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac more Baseball at three forty five in the morning, loved it. I hope second night in a row, little magnesium commitment to MLB action. Early, We've got news on Aaron Rodgers. Very interesting last night. What developed with the Warriors in the Milwaukee Buck something that's happening and pretty obvious. So you ready to go? Are we ready to have a killer Wednesday show?

It is a increasingly busy Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac more Baseball at three forty five in the morning, loved it. I hope second night in a row, little magnesium commitment to MLB action. Early, We've got news on Aaron Rodgers. Very interesting last night. What developed with the Warriors in the Milwaukee Buck something that's happening and pretty obvious. So you ready to go? Are we ready to have a killer Wednesday show?

He said?

He said?

He is, Oh, so here it's official. It is official. The Minnesota Vikings the.

He is, Oh, so here it's official. It is official. The Minnesota Vikings the.

Best option for Aaron Rodgers.

Best option for Aaron Rodgers.

It's over. They said, not interested. We're gonna go with JJ McCarthy. So now Aaron is left to the offensively tone deaf Pittsburgh Steelers who just lost their left tackling Najie Harris and can't get the on line right. Or the New York Giants who have been in like an eight nine, ten year rebuild. That's what he's left with. It's got a Nicholas Cage feel, big production, big personality, big revenue. Once it dips, movie studios and NFL teams are like, yeah, you're a little quirky for us. His best option more walks on the beach in Malibu. Hey, the JFK files were released. Maybe that'll be it. But his last thirty starts two different organizations, one of them a really good one eleven and nineteen twenty four giveaways and a passer rating below ninety and a lot of moodiness and a lot of drama. And great NFL quarterbacks basically fall into two categories, great and low maintenance Lamar Jackson, Mahomes Brady, you know, breeze and then great quarterbacks with some maintenance, sometimes high maintenance, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben And here's what I know.

It's over. They said, not interested. We're gonna go with JJ McCarthy. So now Aaron is left to the offensively tone deaf Pittsburgh Steelers who just lost their left tackling Najie Harris and can't get the on line right. Or the New York Giants who have been in like an eight nine, ten year rebuild. That's what he's left with. It's got a Nicholas Cage feel, big production, big personality, big revenue. Once it dips, movie studios and NFL teams are like, yeah, you're a little quirky for us. His best option more walks on the beach in Malibu. Hey, the JFK files were released. Maybe that'll be it. But his last thirty starts two different organizations, one of them a really good one eleven and nineteen twenty four giveaways and a passer rating below ninety and a lot of moodiness and a lot of drama. And great NFL quarterbacks basically fall into two categories, great and low maintenance Lamar Jackson, Mahomes Brady, you know, breeze and then great quarterbacks with some maintenance, sometimes high maintenance, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben And here's what I know.

That second group they never age as well.

That second group they never age as well.

Ever ever age as well.

Ever ever age as well.

And that's Aaron's group.

And that's Aaron's group.

Now he's always been and I don't think I'm taking a shot a little combative even with his family. He's been moody, he's been at times arrogant. You could read Ian O'Connor's amazing book I did. You could go back to NFL Draft Night. You can go back to Jeff Pearlman's book or Ian O'Connors when you know he's poking the great Brett fav in the ribs. That's who he is. And it's okay to be defiant for any of us in our prime, but you better pivot to compliant when you're out of your prime. A lot of movie stars don't and they don't get the offers, and Aaron Rodgers didn't and he's not getting them either. Once you are out of the great years, you could be a high end chef, a quarterback, a movie star, a law partner. You lose your fastball. You got to go from defiant to compliant at least occasionally. And I thought it was very interesting this week, as the Steelers are now one of his options. The former Walter Payton Man of the Year, the highly respected team leader Cam Hayward, talking about Aaron making teams like the Steeler.

Now he's always been and I don't think I'm taking a shot a little combative even with his family. He's been moody, he's been at times arrogant. You could read Ian O'Connor's amazing book I did. You could go back to NFL Draft Night. You can go back to Jeff Pearlman's book or Ian O'Connors when you know he's poking the great Brett fav in the ribs. That's who he is. And it's okay to be defiant for any of us in our prime, but you better pivot to compliant when you're out of your prime. A lot of movie stars don't and they don't get the offers, and Aaron Rodgers didn't and he's not getting them either. Once you are out of the great years, you could be a high end chef, a quarterback, a movie star, a law partner. You lose your fastball. You got to go from defiant to compliant at least occasionally. And I thought it was very interesting this week, as the Steelers are now one of his options. The former Walter Payton Man of the Year, the highly respected team leader Cam Hayward, talking about Aaron making teams like the Steeler.

Wait, I ain't doing that or darkness Darkness retreat retreat. I don't mean any of that crap. Like, either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler you don't. That's that's simple. That's the pitch, Like if you want me to recruit, that's the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin on my back.

Wait, I ain't doing that or darkness Darkness retreat retreat. I don't mean any of that crap. Like, either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler you don't. That's that's simple. That's the pitch, Like if you want me to recruit, that's the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin on my back.

That is one of the most respected NFL players, not just on the Steelers, top ten in the league. I'm not into that darkness retreat crap.

That is one of the most respected NFL players, not just on the Steelers, top ten in the league. I'm not into that darkness retreat crap.

Let's be honest.

Let's be honest.

If one of your friends went on one of those outside of Hollywood, it's kind of an eye roll, right the Woods of Oregon, I mean ayahuasca. I get artists doing that. I'm all for ayahuasca. Never gonna take it, never did, but I get creative types. But when Cam Hayward's like, I'm not going to do that darkness retreat crap, I'm sorry. That's what a lot of people are saying, Like Nicholas k Once the production drops, people kind of feel like, yeah, maybe a little quirky for us, not a bad guy. But little quirky for us. It's now down to the Steelers, the Giants, or hey, the best option, in my opinion, walks on the beach in Malibu. All right, well, once again set the alarm clock a little tougher to get up. Second morning in a row, at the three point fifty in the morning. I'm not gonna lie to you, but it was on f fast one and the greatest baseball player ever. Yeah, it's not particularly close ever, put on a show.

If one of your friends went on one of those outside of Hollywood, it's kind of an eye roll, right the Woods of Oregon, I mean ayahuasca. I get artists doing that. I'm all for ayahuasca. Never gonna take it, never did, but I get creative types. But when Cam Hayward's like, I'm not going to do that darkness retreat crap, I'm sorry. That's what a lot of people are saying, Like Nicholas k Once the production drops, people kind of feel like, yeah, maybe a little quirky for us, not a bad guy. But little quirky for us. It's now down to the Steelers, the Giants, or hey, the best option, in my opinion, walks on the beach in Malibu. All right, well, once again set the alarm clock a little tougher to get up. Second morning in a row, at the three point fifty in the morning. I'm not gonna lie to you, but it was on f fast one and the greatest baseball player ever. Yeah, it's not particularly close ever, put on a show.

Well, two two pitch and he sends one deep all towards right center field, back at the wall, and it is off the very top of the wall, nearly a home run, and now they're gonna rule it perhaps as a home run it is. They kept it in play for a moment, but Otani cranks one out and he gives the fans what they've been waiting.

Well, two two pitch and he sends one deep all towards right center field, back at the wall, and it is off the very top of the wall, nearly a home run, and now they're gonna rule it perhaps as a home run it is. They kept it in play for a moment, but Otani cranks one out and he gives the fans what they've been waiting.

For this first of the year.

For this first of the year.

Man, is there anybody in sports right now that meets the moment?

Man, is there anybody in sports right now that meets the moment?

Like show?

Like show?

Hey?

Hey?

It is very messy and MJ and Tiger in his prime, Stephen Lebron, dude meets the moment and never forget this.

It is very messy and MJ and Tiger in his prime, Stephen Lebron, dude meets the moment and never forget this.

He's a leadoff hitter.

He's a leadoff hitter.

Okay, why because he's so fast? First fifty to fifty plot. He's so fast they bat him lean up, leadoff. He could also about second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seven. You can put him anywhere you want, and he could be an All Star pitcher. Half of his greatest skill he's not even using yet, the pitching part. Okay, Mahomes can't play linebacker. Ovechkin's not a goalie. What you're seeing now is making Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge, all time great players feel small. You get no ego with Otani, so you take him off the Dodgers. They could still win the World Series. You put him on the Dodgers. I don't know who's stopping this freight train. They should change that Major League Baseball video game from MLB The Show to MLB Show Hay, because it feels like a video game leading base dealer power hitter for average all star pitcher. I again, you take him off the Dodgers. When Freeman and Bets are there and Dusty mains back, that's the mayback that still can be favorites.

Okay, why because he's so fast? First fifty to fifty plot. He's so fast they bat him lean up, leadoff. He could also about second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seven. You can put him anywhere you want, and he could be an All Star pitcher. Half of his greatest skill he's not even using yet, the pitching part. Okay, Mahomes can't play linebacker. Ovechkin's not a goalie. What you're seeing now is making Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge, all time great players feel small. You get no ego with Otani, so you take him off the Dodgers. They could still win the World Series. You put him on the Dodgers. I don't know who's stopping this freight train. They should change that Major League Baseball video game from MLB The Show to MLB Show Hay, because it feels like a video game leading base dealer power hitter for average all star pitcher. I again, you take him off the Dodgers. When Freeman and Bets are there and Dusty mains back, that's the mayback that still can be favorites.

Win the World's here.

Win the World's here.

You put him on the Dodgers, and just think of the nerves and the electricity playing in Tokyo for show Hay yesterday, a couple of hits. Today the home run completely rises to the moment. Babe Ruth didn't run like this. Babe Ruth was cigars and beer and a belly. And this cat is totally This's the best athlete in America. There's nothing like him. And forget Babe Ruth, there has never been a pro athlete in America like this. I mean, would any of you if he put this into football, he'd be a tight end, or if he wanted to play basketball. I mean it just when you put him next to other great players, we are watching history. Just put the camera on him. It's Tiger and his prime. Just watching him walk up the fairway as special. Here's Dave Roberts.

You put him on the Dodgers, and just think of the nerves and the electricity playing in Tokyo for show Hay yesterday, a couple of hits. Today the home run completely rises to the moment. Babe Ruth didn't run like this. Babe Ruth was cigars and beer and a belly. And this cat is totally This's the best athlete in America. There's nothing like him. And forget Babe Ruth, there has never been a pro athlete in America like this. I mean, would any of you if he put this into football, he'd be a tight end, or if he wanted to play basketball. I mean it just when you put him next to other great players, we are watching history. Just put the camera on him. It's Tiger and his prime. Just watching him walk up the fairway as special. Here's Dave Roberts.

After show Hey puts his pants on, just like we all do, one leg at a time. But if there's ever a superhero, I think show Hey just seems like a superhero. And in the biggest of games or the biggest of moments, he seems to always deliver.

After show Hey puts his pants on, just like we all do, one leg at a time. But if there's ever a superhero, I think show Hey just seems like a superhero. And in the biggest of games or the biggest of moments, he seems to always deliver.

Yeah, phenomenal.

Yeah, phenomenal.

And I felt the Cubs are going to be a good team, and last year the Yankees and the Podres and the Mets were good teams. But when you watch this, all star team that includes O Tawny Man. Everybody looks everybody looks average.

And I felt the Cubs are going to be a good team, and last year the Yankees and the Podres and the Mets were good teams. But when you watch this, all star team that includes O Tawny Man. Everybody looks everybody looks average.

Cubs are a good team, but you.

Cubs are a good team, but you.

Go to the bullpen against the Dodgers, we wish you the very best of luck, but they're and they're doing it right now without a full lineup. They've got two potential All star level pitchers, two all star physition players not playing pretty special. Dodgers start the season two and zero. So J Mac, the Aaron Rodgers news is you and I have kind of been confused by Minnesota. There was the Darnald may Ree sign Daniel Jones last year, Aaron Rodgers flirtation. I've not quite understood all of it. My take is that November surgery. There's still some questions for JJ McCarthy, but this was the best spot for Aaron left tackle, receivers, coach, momentum, play indoors know the division that this was easily the best situation.

Go to the bullpen against the Dodgers, we wish you the very best of luck, but they're and they're doing it right now without a full lineup. They've got two potential All star level pitchers, two all star physition players not playing pretty special. Dodgers start the season two and zero. So J Mac, the Aaron Rodgers news is you and I have kind of been confused by Minnesota. There was the Darnald may Ree sign Daniel Jones last year, Aaron Rodgers flirtation. I've not quite understood all of it. My take is that November surgery. There's still some questions for JJ McCarthy, but this was the best spot for Aaron left tackle, receivers, coach, momentum, play indoors know the division that this was easily the best situation.

Certainly, you know he wanted to be in Minnesota right given the setup there, But I just you got to feel bad.

Certainly, you know he wanted to be in Minnesota right given the setup there, But I just you got to feel bad.

For the guy at this point. Yeah, nobody wants him.

For the guy at this point. Yeah, nobody wants him.

Well, I think I think people would take him, but it's the terms are different. Now, you know the terms used to be. You know, when you're in your prime and you're great, the terms are your terms. You have you have the leverage, you have the pull the levers.

Well, I think I think people would take him, but it's the terms are different. Now, you know the terms used to be. You know, when you're in your prime and you're great, the terms are your terms. You have you have the leverage, you have the pull the levers.

Uh, he doesn't.

Uh, he doesn't.

And so it's it's kind of dried up. And and also when you get to this age to be one thing, if you're twenty seven and you're like, listen, i'm gonna I'm gonna go vacation, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna train if you want me, I'm out there. It's not the way it works. When you're forty. You you you if you're not training every day, spending a million bucks to get elite and stay elite, you age. I mean you age fast in this lead to begin with. You really age fast when you're not at practice every day.

And so it's it's kind of dried up. And and also when you get to this age to be one thing, if you're twenty seven and you're like, listen, i'm gonna I'm gonna go vacation, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna train if you want me, I'm out there. It's not the way it works. When you're forty. You you you if you're not training every day, spending a million bucks to get elite and stay elite, you age. I mean you age fast in this lead to begin with. You really age fast when you're not at practice every day.

Remember Tom Brady was like, I'm leaving the Patriots. Who's interested? And there were people clamoring for his services. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers now on the market. Kind of crickets.

Remember Tom Brady was like, I'm leaving the Patriots. Who's interested? And there were people clamoring for his services. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers now on the market. Kind of crickets.

Yeah, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and neon Eastern AM Pacific on Fox Sports Radio one and the iHeartRadio app.

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And we'll get to what Draymond did last night. He was remarkable against Giannis, and I'll get to that in a couple of minutes. He was shut him down to a large degree. So Steph takes the night off and the Warriors win, you know, kind of going away. And it's interesting when you watch Jokich over the last two to three years and you watch Wemby last year as a rookie in this year, it makes Yannis look much more incomplete. He doesn't shoot, doesn't he never developed a mid range game. He doesn't shoot a three, and so it's all about a physical mismatch and getting to the basket, which he does, but that takes a physical toll on you. All you have to do is go ask Shack. But the time Shaq hit thirty two and thirty three, he wasn't quite the same player. So Jannis has become sort of like Lamar Jackson if Lamar hadn't developed into a great pocket passer. Yet there's very little dimension to Jannis's game, and especially when you watch Wemby and you watch Jokich, you just see different dimensions. It's a space and shooting league and he hasn't developed one. So don't get me wrong, He's an all time great and so with Shaq, and he gets to the free throw line a ton, but he's only shooting sixty percent from the free throw line. I think this morning we saw he has over one hundred misses from the free throw line from second place in the league. So again, very much like Shaq, but Shaq played in a different era where bully ball was good enough. Bully ball can dominate. It doesn't anymore, especially if you don't hit your free throws. It's a space and shooting league. And you watch Jokic, he's a point center. You watch Wemby breaking guys down on the angle. So Yannis is a great athlete, but Draymon last night largely shut him down.

And we'll get to what Draymond did last night. He was remarkable against Giannis, and I'll get to that in a couple of minutes. He was shut him down to a large degree. So Steph takes the night off and the Warriors win, you know, kind of going away. And it's interesting when you watch Jokich over the last two to three years and you watch Wemby last year as a rookie in this year, it makes Yannis look much more incomplete. He doesn't shoot, doesn't he never developed a mid range game. He doesn't shoot a three, and so it's all about a physical mismatch and getting to the basket, which he does, but that takes a physical toll on you. All you have to do is go ask Shack. But the time Shaq hit thirty two and thirty three, he wasn't quite the same player. So Jannis has become sort of like Lamar Jackson if Lamar hadn't developed into a great pocket passer. Yet there's very little dimension to Jannis's game, and especially when you watch Wemby and you watch Jokich, you just see different dimensions. It's a space and shooting league and he hasn't developed one. So don't get me wrong, He's an all time great and so with Shaq, and he gets to the free throw line a ton, but he's only shooting sixty percent from the free throw line. I think this morning we saw he has over one hundred misses from the free throw line from second place in the league. So again, very much like Shaq, but Shaq played in a different era where bully ball was good enough. Bully ball can dominate. It doesn't anymore, especially if you don't hit your free throws. It's a space and shooting league. And you watch Jokic, he's a point center. You watch Wemby breaking guys down on the angle. So Yannis is a great athlete, but Draymon last night largely shut him down.

And here was Steve Kerr after Draymond.

And here was Steve Kerr after Draymond.

That defense tonight on Yannis was incredible to hold him to five field goals. Draymond showed why he's still one of the great defenders in the world and why he's so important to winning night after night.

That defense tonight on Yannis was incredible to hold him to five field goals. Draymond showed why he's still one of the great defenders in the world and why he's so important to winning night after night.

Yeah, and again nobody's I'm not trying to dissuade you that that Giannis isn't an all time great player. And they got a title, but there there aren't a lot of dimensions. And when you start comparing him it's like, yeah, it does feel like he's easier to defend. You're not gonna hold yokicch to five field goals. In fact, Draymond Green would tell you Jokich is the one guy that nobody can defend. I mean, Draymond can't, nobody can't, Rudy Gobert can't. And that's because there's so many things he can do well. So, I mean, I still think he'd be a great fit to the New York Knicks. But you know, the NBA, we always talked about Dwight Howard. You know, he aged really fast, and you know, the big rebound, block shot guy without a lot of post moves.

Yeah, and again nobody's I'm not trying to dissuade you that that Giannis isn't an all time great player. And they got a title, but there there aren't a lot of dimensions. And when you start comparing him it's like, yeah, it does feel like he's easier to defend. You're not gonna hold yokicch to five field goals. In fact, Draymond Green would tell you Jokich is the one guy that nobody can defend. I mean, Draymond can't, nobody can't, Rudy Gobert can't. And that's because there's so many things he can do well. So, I mean, I still think he'd be a great fit to the New York Knicks. But you know, the NBA, we always talked about Dwight Howard. You know, he aged really fast, and you know, the big rebound, block shot guy without a lot of post moves.

One day it mattered, one day it didn't.

One day it mattered, one day it didn't.

And for Draymond to shut him down like that shows you you.

And for Draymond to shut him down like that shows you you.

Can defend him. Now.

Can defend him. Now.

Not a lot of guys are Draymond, but nobody's stopping Joki consistently.

Not a lot of guys are Draymond, but nobody's stopping Joki consistently.

Jmack with the news.

Jmack with the news.

No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.

No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.

Let's start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Big big week for them. They extended Jamar Chase and t Higgins, making both of them two of the highest paid receivers in the NFL. Joe Burrow we know campaigned big time for both of his guys, and now they're staying in East. Thrilled, Burrow said, we're paying the right guys. Guys who work are really hard for what they have. Guys who aren't going to get complacent or anything like that. Guys who really care about the product they put on the field, care about the fans and the organization and the people in the locker room.

Let's start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Big big week for them. They extended Jamar Chase and t Higgins, making both of them two of the highest paid receivers in the NFL. Joe Burrow we know campaigned big time for both of his guys, and now they're staying in East. Thrilled, Burrow said, we're paying the right guys. Guys who work are really hard for what they have. Guys who aren't going to get complacent or anything like that. Guys who really care about the product they put on the field, care about the fans and the organization and the people in the locker room.

So listen, Joe Burrow got what he wanted right. Franchise quarterback went to the owner, went to the coach. We need to keep these guys.

So listen, Joe Burrow got what he wanted right. Franchise quarterback went to the owner, went to the coach. We need to keep these guys.

They kept them, and you almost never get in trouble. Kansas City is a great example paying your greatest players for the record. You could eventually move off one of these players, Davonte Adams, you know, Green Bay Raiders, Jets, Rams T Higgins in a couple of years. It doesn't mean you have to keep people forever. What it means is now with the Ravens having the best roster arguably in the sport and all these AFC teams now getting legitimate quarterbacks, you got to bring you got to bring the band back. Doesn't mean year to year you can't move off players, but letting him go is so bad for the locker room and sends such a bad sign to free agents, draft picks, coaches, scouts.

They kept them, and you almost never get in trouble. Kansas City is a great example paying your greatest players for the record. You could eventually move off one of these players, Davonte Adams, you know, Green Bay Raiders, Jets, Rams T Higgins in a couple of years. It doesn't mean you have to keep people forever. What it means is now with the Ravens having the best roster arguably in the sport and all these AFC teams now getting legitimate quarterbacks, you got to bring you got to bring the band back. Doesn't mean year to year you can't move off players, but letting him go is so bad for the locker room and sends such a bad sign to free agents, draft picks, coaches, scouts.

I think it's the right move.

I think it's the right move.

So the counter would be, the Cincinnati Bengals are the only team in the NFL paying three guys. Yeah, twenty eight or more million dollars. Yeah, next year. That's why the big experiment. It is a huge roll of the dice.

So the counter would be, the Cincinnati Bengals are the only team in the NFL paying three guys. Yeah, twenty eight or more million dollars. Yeah, next year. That's why the big experiment. It is a huge roll of the dice.

Yeah, and they will not win a super Bowl because of it.

Yeah, and they will not win a super Bowl because of it.

Will they get to the playoffs?

Will they get to the playoffs?

I have them making the playoffs. I think they're a playoff team. But we know of the fourteen playoff teams, generally there's about four to five that we think are complete enough to win a Super Bowl. They're gonna be in the other eleven group or other ten group. But I think there'll be a playoff team. And in Cincinnati, Burrow, you just you get him into the playoffs. Last time he got to a super Bowl, he was a road quarterback.

I have them making the playoffs. I think they're a playoff team. But we know of the fourteen playoff teams, generally there's about four to five that we think are complete enough to win a Super Bowl. They're gonna be in the other eleven group or other ten group. But I think there'll be a playoff team. And in Cincinnati, Burrow, you just you get him into the playoffs. Last time he got to a super Bowl, he was a road quarterback.

So Colin, my argument would be, when you look at te Higgins, we love him, right. I know he's a number two, maybe like a number one on some of the bad teams in the league. Could you have paid two or three receivers twenty eight milch you gave to t Higgins and then you have more margin for error. Te Higgins goes down with a broken hand or something out four or five games, they're cooked. Jamar Chase goes down for a little while.

So Colin, my argument would be, when you look at te Higgins, we love him, right. I know he's a number two, maybe like a number one on some of the bad teams in the league. Could you have paid two or three receivers twenty eight milch you gave to t Higgins and then you have more margin for error. Te Higgins goes down with a broken hand or something out four or five games, they're cooked. Jamar Chase goes down for a little while.

They don't have.

They don't have.

Any margin for error. That would be my only cause flow concerns.

Any margin for error. That would be my only cause flow concerns.

That is how top heavy teams operate. And there are very few Philadelphia Eagles. There's a lot more Dallas Cowboys and Bengals where you've got three or four great players, you pay him and you.

That is how top heavy teams operate. And there are very few Philadelphia Eagles. There's a lot more Dallas Cowboys and Bengals where you've got three or four great players, you pay him and you.

Don't have a ton of depth.

Don't have a ton of depth.

I mean, you saw the Rams made another move yesterday to go get an inside linebacker poona Ford there. I mean the ram are well run and they're still going finding guys to plug gaps. So you know, the best front office is beyond just the best players win, and Cincinnati doesn't qualify for that.

I mean, you saw the Rams made another move yesterday to go get an inside linebacker poona Ford there. I mean the ram are well run and they're still going finding guys to plug gaps. So you know, the best front office is beyond just the best players win, and Cincinnati doesn't qualify for that.

They've always been on the frugal side.

They've always been on the frugal side.

They're all in on offense, and I get that it's an offensive.

They're all in on offense, and I get that it's an offensive.

If they're going to be all in on the side, we can bang on them.

If they're going to be all in on the side, we can bang on them.

But Pittsburgh's all in on defense, and that's not at least Cincinnati. He's got the quarterback right, the weapons right, and they're spending money on the right side.

But Pittsburgh's all in on defense, and that's not at least Cincinnati. He's got the quarterback right, the weapons right, and they're spending money on the right side.

Agree totally.

Agree totally.

Let's move on to the next story, and that's college sports and nil money.

Let's move on to the next story, and that's college sports and nil money.

So our staff broke down something super interesting.

So our staff broke down something super interesting.

If you take a look at the bracket for March Madness, five of the top eight seeds are coached by guys who are sixty five years or older. And that's including the retirements of coach k Jim Maheim, Roy Williams, and others.

If you take a look at the bracket for March Madness, five of the top eight seeds are coached by guys who are sixty five years or older. And that's including the retirements of coach k Jim Maheim, Roy Williams, and others.

We had Tom Izzo on the show earlier this week.

We had Tom Izzo on the show earlier this week.

Listen to what he had to say about the status of college basketball.

Listen to what he had to say about the status of college basketball.

Like Jay Wright, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys are friends of mine.

Like Jay Wright, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys are friends of mine.

They decided to go another way. I'm too. I'm in stubborn to do it.

They decided to go another way. I'm too. I'm in stubborn to do it.

I guess I.

I guess I.

Just figured that I got to get back to the basics. Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.

Just figured that I got to get back to the basics. Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.

I worried about it.

I worried about it.

This year, I kind of stuck the coach in my team, and I've been lucky.

This year, I kind of stuck the coach in my team, and I've been lucky.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean again, Rick Patino said, you can complain or adapt, yes, And I think in the end, you know, listen, I think the teams that are really in trouble are packed twelve teams like USC usually at Orega Washington. Who now forget football where there's one game a week and only six road games that you're constantly on the road with your second tier sports, and college basketball is second tier compared to football. I think that I think Big Ten teams will be fine the most of the travel the Midwest teams are playing each other all the time, They'll be fine. I mean, I don't think the Big Ten has the athletes as the SEC and football or basketball. But you can complain about all this stuff. California passed the legislation for nil, you know, not shocking, kind of progressive. That's the future of college sports, so you can complain about. Listen, if I was a college basketball coach, I've only got to recruit four guys a year. How about college football? It's twenty five to thirty. So college basketball coaches have it easy compared to other bigger roster sports.

I mean again, Rick Patino said, you can complain or adapt, yes, And I think in the end, you know, listen, I think the teams that are really in trouble are packed twelve teams like USC usually at Orega Washington. Who now forget football where there's one game a week and only six road games that you're constantly on the road with your second tier sports, and college basketball is second tier compared to football. I think that I think Big Ten teams will be fine the most of the travel the Midwest teams are playing each other all the time, They'll be fine. I mean, I don't think the Big Ten has the athletes as the SEC and football or basketball. But you can complain about all this stuff. California passed the legislation for nil, you know, not shocking, kind of progressive. That's the future of college sports, so you can complain about. Listen, if I was a college basketball coach, I've only got to recruit four guys a year. How about college football? It's twenty five to thirty. So college basketball coaches have it easy compared to other bigger roster sports.

Yeah, I mean I did not realize, you know, we know, iz those seventy Rick Barnes is seventy, Yeah, Patino is seventy two.

Yeah, I mean I did not realize, you know, we know, iz those seventy Rick Barnes is seventy, Yeah, Patino is seventy two.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean Colin, let's be real, at seventy two years old, you probably hope to be on a beach.

I mean Colin, let's be real, at seventy two years old, you probably hope to be on a beach.

In Saint Bart's for like three months out of the year. No, and maybe you're skiing for two months, your bouncer. You're not coaching college basketball.

In Saint Bart's for like three months out of the year. No, and maybe you're skiing for two months, your bouncer. You're not coaching college basketball.

I'll be on this mike into my mid eighties.

I'll be on this mike into my mid eighties.

I mean, it is weird because the whole you can't teach an old dog new tricks and the raiders go and higher.

I mean, it is weird because the whole you can't teach an old dog new tricks and the raiders go and higher.

What eighty two year old Carol?

What eighty two year old Carol?

But ask yourself this, I mean, who's the best? I know? Everybody?

But ask yourself this, I mean, who's the best? I know? Everybody?

This really the bloggest fear won't want to hear this, but most people over fifty five are better than most people at twenty five at their jobs. Go look at Silicon Valley. Oh it's a bunch of twenty year olds. Yeah, Zuckerberg and the Google guys are not twenty nine years old.

This really the bloggest fear won't want to hear this, but most people over fifty five are better than most people at twenty five at their jobs. Go look at Silicon Valley. Oh it's a bunch of twenty year olds. Yeah, Zuckerberg and the Google guys are not twenty nine years old.

Well, listen, it's tough to build something at fifty five to sixty five years old. At twenty five years old, you got the energy, you got the time.

Well, listen, it's tough to build something at fifty five to sixty five years old. At twenty five years old, you got the energy, you got the time.

You know. Tom Izzo's not building something that the program's rolling. He makes the tournaments. Mark Fu's team makes the tournament every year.

You know. Tom Izzo's not building something that the program's rolling. He makes the tournaments. Mark Fu's team makes the tournament every year.

Tino is the interesting one. He's building something from Saint John's and he's like in.

Tino is the interesting one. He's building something from Saint John's and he's like in.

His early seven wee I ask yourself in the last twenty five years? Who are the best coaches in the NFL? Old Belichick, Old Andy Reid, Hardball's no Spring Chicken, The.

His early seven wee I ask yourself in the last twenty five years? Who are the best coaches in the NFL? Old Belichick, Old Andy Reid, Hardball's no Spring Chicken, The.

Hardball's shan a Hand.

Hardball's shan a Hand.

No, No, you could.

No, No, you could.

Get the occasional great young coach, but the league is. Mcvay's got one Super Bowl and he's got more. Belichick's got more. The old Tom Coughlin's the last time the Giants were any good?

Get the occasional great young coach, but the league is. Mcvay's got one Super Bowl and he's got more. Belichick's got more. The old Tom Coughlin's the last time the Giants were any good?

I mean, when's the last time New York Giants were viable?

I mean, when's the last time New York Giants were viable?

Every year, old plum faced Tom Coughlin yelling at people. Sean Payton one year turns around the Broncos. There is there is wisdom with age, and I have no there's no better coach right now in college basketball than Rick Patino and Iszo and Bill self for in a short list of the second coach.

Every year, old plum faced Tom Coughlin yelling at people. Sean Payton one year turns around the Broncos. There is there is wisdom with age, and I have no there's no better coach right now in college basketball than Rick Patino and Iszo and Bill self for in a short list of the second coach.

Yeah, Duke's coaches what like thirty five years old?

Yeah, Duke's coaches what like thirty five years old?

No?

No?

No, I think John Shire has done a great job, but he just doesn't have as much life experience as other guys do, and that stuff matters.

No, I think John Shire has done a great job, but he just doesn't have as much life experience as other guys do, and that stuff matters.

It counts.

It counts.

I mean, I love sports, but I don't know that it's seventy two years old and talk firing off tape.

I mean, I love sports, but I don't know that it's seventy two years old and talk firing off tape.

No, no about my day's kids.

No, no about my day's kids.

Oh my takes will be hotter the time I get to eighty. You'll need like oven Mitch to handle this microphone.

Oh my takes will be hotter the time I get to eighty. You'll need like oven Mitch to handle this microphone.

He's all right, final story, let's wrap up. Obviously you were up early watching the Dodgers. Yeah, just two and zero, you know this. Roki Sazaki got off to the amazing start, touching one hundred on the gun on his first three pitches. Hello, he did walk a few guys but only gave up one one and one hit.

He's all right, final story, let's wrap up. Obviously you were up early watching the Dodgers. Yeah, just two and zero, you know this. Roki Sazaki got off to the amazing start, touching one hundred on the gun on his first three pitches. Hello, he did walk a few guys but only gave up one one and one hit.

Colin Dodge's going undefeated, right, one sixty two and now.

Colin Dodge's going undefeated, right, one sixty two and now.

One fifty nine and three is on the table. Yeah. Uh, there there was.

One fifty nine and three is on the table. Yeah. Uh, there there was.

A really good I'm trying to think of a baseball team that didn't have a three game losing streak or didn't lose a series.

A really good I'm trying to think of a baseball team that didn't have a three game losing streak or didn't lose a series.

It was a few years ago.

It was a few years ago.

Uh, in the last decade, Like there was a team that did not lose a series until like August. Well, I can't see the Dodgers and unless they run into I mean they're doing this now without a full lineup four of their most viable players, you know, the Mookie Beds and the Freddie Freeman and made the pitcher and Show Hayes not pitching yet.

Uh, in the last decade, Like there was a team that did not lose a series until like August. Well, I can't see the Dodgers and unless they run into I mean they're doing this now without a full lineup four of their most viable players, you know, the Mookie Beds and the Freddie Freeman and made the pitcher and Show Hayes not pitching yet.

This is not a fully staffed team.

This is not a fully staffed team.

I don't gamble on baseball personally.

I don't gamble on baseball personally.

However, I already had two buddies text me, hey, are you fading the Dodgers when they returned from Tokyo because of the trip and the trau, you.

However, I already had two buddies text me, hey, are you fading the Dodgers when they returned from Tokyo because of the trip and the trau, you.

Know, all that stuff. And I was like, do I need to start looking at betting on the Dodgers.

Know, all that stuff. And I was like, do I need to start looking at betting on the Dodgers.

Don't take it. I think they gave both the covers. Yeah, they gave him time off.

Don't take it. I think they gave both the covers. Yeah, they gave him time off.

Yeah, but still the bounce back after Tokyo. Guys are already thinking about betting.

Yeah, but still the bounce back after Tokyo. Guys are already thinking about betting.

On the Dodgers because that's how hot they are. Such a great story of.

On the Dodgers because that's how hot they are. Such a great story of.

This kid, this Isaki kid.

This kid, this Isaki kid.

Oh yeah, I mean he can he can blow you away off speed stuff.

Oh yeah, I mean he can he can blow you away off speed stuff.

He's really good. Jmack with the news.

He's really good. Jmack with the news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

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Remember it was a couple of days. It goes Monday.

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And I said, there are certain sports debates that as an adult, they're beneath you, like arguing who the sixty eighth best team in college basketball is. Remember, everybody was upset in West Virginia. The governor is is gonna be legal action? And oh good hell North Carolina only got in because they're a big brand. I don't have a problem with that. If it's the last playing game. I mean again, CBS and TNT pay for the wedding. They can't have one seating chart suggestion. So anyway, well, the ad was a committee chairman.

And I said, there are certain sports debates that as an adult, they're beneath you, like arguing who the sixty eighth best team in college basketball is. Remember, everybody was upset in West Virginia. The governor is is gonna be legal action? And oh good hell North Carolina only got in because they're a big brand. I don't have a problem with that. If it's the last playing game. I mean again, CBS and TNT pay for the wedding. They can't have one seating chart suggestion. So anyway, well, the ad was a committee chairman.

Boy.

Boy.

They won by twenty seven last night, led by forty, which is unheard of in college basketball, and they're also favored over number six seed Old miss from the best conference, the SEC. The hand ringing, the pearl clutching West Virginia outrage once again playing the victim. Oh my god, people, I mean again, the JFK files are out. There's a conspiracy theory. You can all pursue it. Just it never fails that whenever we bash a team for like being into the tournament, they get inspired by that, like North Carolina and play their butts off for the next two games. You see this in college football years ago, when a coach would complain about not getting a bull bid he wanted, and that bled over to his team, and that team would go into a bowl and get housed. And it's like, if you enjoyed this forty eight hour West Virginia embarrassing temper tantrum, for a team that went nineteen and thirteen. The coach was so much about West Virginia. A day later he took the Indiana job.

They won by twenty seven last night, led by forty, which is unheard of in college basketball, and they're also favored over number six seed Old miss from the best conference, the SEC. The hand ringing, the pearl clutching West Virginia outrage once again playing the victim. Oh my god, people, I mean again, the JFK files are out. There's a conspiracy theory. You can all pursue it. Just it never fails that whenever we bash a team for like being into the tournament, they get inspired by that, like North Carolina and play their butts off for the next two games. You see this in college football years ago, when a coach would complain about not getting a bull bid he wanted, and that bled over to his team, and that team would go into a bowl and get housed. And it's like, if you enjoyed this forty eight hour West Virginia embarrassing temper tantrum, for a team that went nineteen and thirteen. The coach was so much about West Virginia. A day later he took the Indiana job.

Yeah, he was.

Yeah, he was.

Really, I'm fighting for us, I'm fighting for the University Private Jet of Bloomington. It doesn't matter neither West Virginia or Carolina are winning three or four games, but the fact that Carolina, a bubble team, led by forty last night. Again, if they would have been beaten by forty, all you West Virginia fans would have rushed to the innerweb to remind us you were right. So we're here to remind you you weren't. If you lead by forty and are favorite over an SEC team, it's not an egregious pull to get North Carolina in. Again, you to run to the internet if they got smoked last night, So don't. Well this doesn't make it right, no, but it makes it legitimate. It's a legitimate team in the tournament. If you're favored in your first official game in the tournament, it's all arguing once you get to the end, once you get out of the one, two, three, and four seeds and some automatic stuff, well it's just all debates.

Really, I'm fighting for us, I'm fighting for the University Private Jet of Bloomington. It doesn't matter neither West Virginia or Carolina are winning three or four games, but the fact that Carolina, a bubble team, led by forty last night. Again, if they would have been beaten by forty, all you West Virginia fans would have rushed to the innerweb to remind us you were right. So we're here to remind you you weren't. If you lead by forty and are favorite over an SEC team, it's not an egregious pull to get North Carolina in. Again, you to run to the internet if they got smoked last night, So don't. Well this doesn't make it right, no, but it makes it legitimate. It's a legitimate team in the tournament. If you're favored in your first official game in the tournament, it's all arguing once you get to the end, once you get out of the one, two, three, and four seeds and some automatic stuff, well it's just all debates.

So I will root for North Carolina. I've said befo.

So I will root for North Carolina. I've said befo.

I had somebody last night, I remember her name was Jennifer came up and said, well, you won me seven hundred dollars last year because I took Connecticut. Looking at your bracket, Well, I said, who'd you take this year? She is, I went to your bracket again and took Auburn. And so I said, just to let you know, Auburn's not as good as Connecticut. The SEC is great. She took all four of my picks.

I had somebody last night, I remember her name was Jennifer came up and said, well, you won me seven hundred dollars last year because I took Connecticut. Looking at your bracket, Well, I said, who'd you take this year? She is, I went to your bracket again and took Auburn. And so I said, just to let you know, Auburn's not as good as Connecticut. The SEC is great. She took all four of my picks.

You know why.

You know why.

You know, it's funny about this. A lot of people are saying, why didn't you take Duke. I'm always a little reluctant when your best players a freshman. And I'm not saying Cooper Flag's not great. But Duke's got a couple of kids that are really young, whereas Arizona's got like a fifth year Caleb loves like a fourth or fifth year senior. Yeah, it's like, I think age matters. We just talked about coaching age. I think it's hard even if you have the beat. I mean, look at John cal Pari, who's more than capable as a coach, won one title. Why because his teams were all freshmen, and he would get into these situational moments in a freshman guard who, by the way, we'll get drafted number four and have a nice NBA career at eighteen, the pressure of March Madness playing a junior or a senior from Syracuse. I'll take the junior senior in that moment in that game.

You know, it's funny about this. A lot of people are saying, why didn't you take Duke. I'm always a little reluctant when your best players a freshman. And I'm not saying Cooper Flag's not great. But Duke's got a couple of kids that are really young, whereas Arizona's got like a fifth year Caleb loves like a fourth or fifth year senior. Yeah, it's like, I think age matters. We just talked about coaching age. I think it's hard even if you have the beat. I mean, look at John cal Pari, who's more than capable as a coach, won one title. Why because his teams were all freshmen, and he would get into these situational moments in a freshman guard who, by the way, we'll get drafted number four and have a nice NBA career at eighteen, the pressure of March Madness playing a junior or a senior from Syracuse. I'll take the junior senior in that moment in that game.

That's a great point. UNC, though, has a good draw.

That's a great point. UNC, though, has a good draw.

They face ole Miss next, Yes, and ole Miss is on like a three eleven and one against the spread street They're not really playing well. I think UNC could probably take down Michigan State.

They face ole Miss next, Yes, and ole Miss is on like a three eleven and one against the spread street They're not really playing well. I think UNC could probably take down Michigan State.

But your point on.

But your point on.

Duke is interesting because I know Cooper Flag is a freshman.

Duke is interesting because I know Cooper Flag is a freshman.

He's only eighteen. He started the season at his seventeen year old. Yeah, but Colin, you know the stat net rating in the NBA. You look at that a lot.

He's only eighteen. He started the season at his seventeen year old. Yeah, but Colin, you know the stat net rating in the NBA. You look at that a lot.

Do you get the highest net rating in college basketball in the last twenty years, Colin?

Do you get the highest net rating in college basketball in the last twenty years, Colin?

Twenty years?

Twenty years?

That's insane, the last twenty years, the highest net rating in the sport.

That's insane, the last twenty years, the highest net rating in the sport.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I mean I understand why people are betting him. They've got the best player. It's a big brand and they're very good. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is the conference they were in this year was not close to the SEC. And I think what you're gonna see. I think you're gonna see Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. You're gonna see some of these SEC teams that were in incredibly intense, soldout arenas NBA bodies everywhere. We saw this for years in college football when the SEC ruled teams would go to the SCC from the SEC would be like a number five SEC team. They'd go to like the Sun Bowl or some bowl game and they play number two or three team from their conference and roll them because they've been in all these high leverage, intense games against pro level athletes. So I think the SEC is gonna Now they may not win it, but I think the SEC by the end of this weekend, you're gonna be like, yeah.

No, I mean I understand why people are betting him. They've got the best player. It's a big brand and they're very good. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is the conference they were in this year was not close to the SEC. And I think what you're gonna see. I think you're gonna see Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. You're gonna see some of these SEC teams that were in incredibly intense, soldout arenas NBA bodies everywhere. We saw this for years in college football when the SEC ruled teams would go to the SCC from the SEC would be like a number five SEC team. They'd go to like the Sun Bowl or some bowl game and they play number two or three team from their conference and roll them because they've been in all these high leverage, intense games against pro level athletes. So I think the SEC is gonna Now they may not win it, but I think the SEC by the end of this weekend, you're gonna be like, yeah.

So they have fourteen teams in the field.

So they have fourteen teams in the field.

Okay, what if they go I don't know, like you know, they lose like five games on Thursday.

Okay, what if they go I don't know, like you know, they lose like five games on Thursday.

That's possible. Are people can owe SEC overrated?

That's possible. Are people can owe SEC overrated?

Yes, fourteen teams?

Yes, fourteen teams?

Well yeah, if people will say that and they will have teams lose. Ole Miss could be one of them. But if you and again you watch more college basketball than me. But I came to you mid January on the air. I remember a couple of times I said, are you watching some of these SEC games?

Well yeah, if people will say that and they will have teams lose. Ole Miss could be one of them. But if you and again you watch more college basketball than me. But I came to you mid January on the air. I remember a couple of times I said, are you watching some of these SEC games?

They jumped off the TV.

They jumped off the TV.

More skill from the perimeter, more, I would say, more balance offense, the defense like the Big Ten, Michigan is size, Michigan State is defense. Wisconsin. I'm not sure what they are offensively. The Big Ten's got a style. SEC's got better athletes, and I think they have just more dexterity offensively.

More skill from the perimeter, more, I would say, more balance offense, the defense like the Big Ten, Michigan is size, Michigan State is defense. Wisconsin. I'm not sure what they are offensively. The Big Ten's got a style. SEC's got better athletes, and I think they have just more dexterity offensively.

What's your excitement level on watching the games like all day? Are you like sitting from the best Yeah, yeah, yeah, No March.

What's your excitement level on watching the games like all day? Are you like sitting from the best Yeah, yeah, yeah, No March.

Unless you want to go to a watering hole at some point.

Unless you want to go to a watering hole at some point.

No, No, I don't know. I just sit down. Why.

No, No, I don't know. I just sit down. Why.

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Interesting stuff.

Interesting stuff.

Jalen Milroll, the Bama quarterback, just ran a four to three seven at the Alabama Pro Day, which that's an insane forty time for a quarterback. It's good for every position in football, that is. And I think I told everybody here a month ago, I was told by an NFL exec he was Anthony Richardson, except more explosive as a runner. So great kid, great family, unbelievable athlete, but had more rushing touchdowns at Alabama than passing touchdowns. I think he'll be as good as where he falls if he could get his Sean Payton. You set him for a year. Interesting, but I mean that's just somebody. I said he's gonna get drafted in the first round four to three seven quarterback. Somebody's reaching on him, even though he's a bit McCarey ancle and doesn't feel ready to start in the NFL. With that, Albert Breer joins US Live, that is an eye popping forty yard bet.

Jalen Milroll, the Bama quarterback, just ran a four to three seven at the Alabama Pro Day, which that's an insane forty time for a quarterback. It's good for every position in football, that is. And I think I told everybody here a month ago, I was told by an NFL exec he was Anthony Richardson, except more explosive as a runner. So great kid, great family, unbelievable athlete, but had more rushing touchdowns at Alabama than passing touchdowns. I think he'll be as good as where he falls if he could get his Sean Payton. You set him for a year. Interesting, but I mean that's just somebody. I said he's gonna get drafted in the first round four to three seven quarterback. Somebody's reaching on him, even though he's a bit McCarey ancle and doesn't feel ready to start in the NFL. With that, Albert Breer joins US Live, that is an eye popping forty yard bet.

Yeah, yeah, I have a couple. I had a couple of Scots on the ground. I just texted with it. We're both of them that I talked to so far, we're at four four five. But that's still insane for a quarterback. It's very very fast.

Yeah, yeah, I have a couple. I had a couple of Scots on the ground. I just texted with it. We're both of them that I talked to so far, we're at four four five. But that's still insane for a quarterback. It's very very fast.

I think, like you said, though, Colins sort of what we already knew about him, you know, like that he does have freakish athletic ability and like the easy compas to another guy who played at BAMMA, which is Jalen Hurts, who had a long way to go as a pastor coming into the NFL. Yeah, but one thing a couple of a couple of guys who evaluated both have have told me is to be Jalen Milroe. You you're you're to be Jalen Hurts. You're You're walking a very narrow path. He was special as a competitor, special from a work ethics standpoint, special football character and can't get along with everybody. And I think that's been documented over the last couple of years. But I mean Jalen Hurst just as a worker as a plus and worked himself into the player that he is now. And so like that's what's luck for scouts now is to look at it with Jalen Milroe and look at the distance he's got to go as a passer to be an effective NFL quarterback, and then try to determine whether or not he's got you know upstairs, and it has got what Jalen Hurts had to make himself into what he is today.

I think, like you said, though, Colins sort of what we already knew about him, you know, like that he does have freakish athletic ability and like the easy compas to another guy who played at BAMMA, which is Jalen Hurts, who had a long way to go as a pastor coming into the NFL. Yeah, but one thing a couple of a couple of guys who evaluated both have have told me is to be Jalen Milroe. You you're you're to be Jalen Hurts. You're You're walking a very narrow path. He was special as a competitor, special from a work ethics standpoint, special football character and can't get along with everybody. And I think that's been documented over the last couple of years. But I mean Jalen Hurst just as a worker as a plus and worked himself into the player that he is now. And so like that's what's luck for scouts now is to look at it with Jalen Milroe and look at the distance he's got to go as a passer to be an effective NFL quarterback, and then try to determine whether or not he's got you know upstairs, and it has got what Jalen Hurts had to make himself into what he is today.

Yeah, okay, So listen, the Minnesota situation has been weird. They're gonna keep Darnold, Daniel Jones, They're interested in Aaron Rodgers. It tells me that second surgery in mid November maybe did it take or are they not sure whatever, But so let's start with that before we get to Aaron. What it's like been so many like quarterbacks that have been discussed. It leads me to be like suspicious of Is J J. McCarthy healthy.

Yeah, okay, So listen, the Minnesota situation has been weird. They're gonna keep Darnold, Daniel Jones, They're interested in Aaron Rodgers. It tells me that second surgery in mid November maybe did it take or are they not sure whatever, But so let's start with that before we get to Aaron. What it's like been so many like quarterbacks that have been discussed. It leads me to be like suspicious of Is J J. McCarthy healthy.

Yes, so I think he is now. And the second surgery was more of a cleanup. He did lose a lot of weight and he lost four months of on field development time. And I think I've been you know, we've been through that, you and I on the show a couple of times now, where you.

Yes, so I think he is now. And the second surgery was more of a cleanup. He did lose a lot of weight and he lost four months of on field development time. And I think I've been you know, we've been through that, you and I on the show a couple of times now, where you.

Know, I think they're optimistic about where he is.

Know, I think they're optimistic about where he is.

They liked where he is the first with where he was the first week of August, the point where it was could we actually play this kid this year?

They liked where he is the first with where he was the first week of August, the point where it was could we actually play this kid this year?

That was the discussion at the time, right before he got hurt.

That was the discussion at the time, right before he got hurt.

And so now I think they feel good about where he is going into the season.

And so now I think they feel good about where he is going into the season.

But but and this is a big butt.

But but and this is a big butt.

Do you feel comfortable enough where you're going to stake the team that you have to JJ McCarthy and JJ McCarthy alone.

Do you feel comfortable enough where you're going to stake the team that you have to JJ McCarthy and JJ McCarthy alone.

And the answer to this point of the offseason has been no.

And the answer to this point of the offseason has been no.

Right like because they did make an offer to bring Sam Darnold back. They did make an offer to Daniel Jones to come back too, and that was in the ballpark of what Indianapolis gave him the one year, fourteen million dollar deal that he's signed there with the Colts. So you know, I think it's I think it can be both things. They like JJ, they like where he is, but this is not a rebuilding team. This is a This is a team at won fourteen games a year ago.

Right like because they did make an offer to bring Sam Darnold back. They did make an offer to Daniel Jones to come back too, and that was in the ballpark of what Indianapolis gave him the one year, fourteen million dollar deal that he's signed there with the Colts. So you know, I think it's I think it can be both things. They like JJ, they like where he is, but this is not a rebuilding team. This is a This is a team at won fourteen games a year ago.

And you owe it.

And you owe it.

If you're Kevin O'Connell, Koisiadelflamensa, all the guys there to the Harrison Smiths, the Andrew van Ginkels, the Jonathan grenard Is, the Byron Murphy's, the Justin Jeffersons, the Christian darrisaws to give them the best possible answer you can at quarterback, and so I think that's why they were looking at high end insurance policies. I think that's what Darnold and Jones would have been and that's why the discussion was different on Aaron Rodgers, where you know, if you bring in Aaron Rodgers, that ain't an insurance policy. That's jamming on the pause button on the JJ McCarthy era and say you got to wait another year, kid, which you know could go a bunch of different ways.

If you're Kevin O'Connell, Koisiadelflamensa, all the guys there to the Harrison Smiths, the Andrew van Ginkels, the Jonathan grenard Is, the Byron Murphy's, the Justin Jeffersons, the Christian darrisaws to give them the best possible answer you can at quarterback, and so I think that's why they were looking at high end insurance policies. I think that's what Darnold and Jones would have been and that's why the discussion was different on Aaron Rodgers, where you know, if you bring in Aaron Rodgers, that ain't an insurance policy. That's jamming on the pause button on the JJ McCarthy era and say you got to wait another year, kid, which you know could go a bunch of different ways.

Aaron Rodgers and retirement, it feels very real to me.

Aaron Rodgers and retirement, it feels very real to me.

To me, it does, does it to you?

To me, it does, does it to you?

I wouldn't rule anything out, you know, I mean, Aaron's his own guy. And you know I've said all along this could this could happen in ten minutes, This could happen in ten days, This could happen in ten weeks. You know, I don't think he wants to go out the way he went out last year. I had a long conversation with him over the summer where he said he didn't want to go out the way he went out in twenty twenty three, which was.

I wouldn't rule anything out, you know, I mean, Aaron's his own guy. And you know I've said all along this could this could happen in ten minutes, This could happen in ten days, This could happen in ten weeks. You know, I don't think he wants to go out the way he went out last year. I had a long conversation with him over the summer where he said he didn't want to go out the way he went out in twenty twenty three, which was.

With the Achilles injury. If he didn't want to go out hurt.

With the Achilles injury. If he didn't want to go out hurt.

I would assume he wouldn't want to go out playing the way the Jets did at the end of the year last year, and that was just a dumpster fire of a season from start to finish for everyone involved.

I would assume he wouldn't want to go out playing the way the Jets did at the end of the year last year, and that was just a dumpster fire of a season from start to finish for everyone involved.

So I do.

So I do.

Think he has it, you know, in his head, that he wants to take one more swing in it. It's what he actually said to the Jets in their exit meetings, you know, when they were deciding what to do, was that he did plan on playing in twenty twenty five. Plans can change, and I think that's going to, you know, really ride on how he views the Steelers and how he views the Jets. And right now, to me, the Giants I meant, right now, to me the Giants and Jets, the Giants are sort of analogous to what the Jets were when he went there to years ago, where you've got a promising young core and you're asking Aaron Rodgers to come in and lift all those guys up.