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All right. Here we go live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. One hour from now, Jmack and I do our over unders. Five teams for both of us we think are better than their projected wind total. We may be giving away. Let us today lots of it, and then five teams we think are overvalued. It's our over under segment until one time only. It's happens in one hour from now. I got my I got my gum my new dynamite gum I take. I got a lot of energy. J Mack, I'm ready to go to them. Wow.

All right. Here we go live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. One hour from now, Jmack and I do our over unders. Five teams for both of us we think are better than their projected wind total. We may be giving away. Let us today lots of it, and then five teams we think are overvalued. It's our over under segment until one time only. It's happens in one hour from now. I got my I got my gum my new dynamite gum I take. I got a lot of energy. J Mack, I'm ready to go to them. Wow.

Well, instead of watching the Olympics last night, I was digging into over underst We got some winners, for sure, and some other ones I'm not so sure.

Well, instead of watching the Olympics last night, I was digging into over underst We got some winners, for sure, and some other ones I'm not so sure.

Well, yeah, we're doing five each after about three. Come on, I'm crossing my fingers on a couple. But I want to make it challenging. We're not about being right, We're about making it interesting. So we have ten total teams, and you know, Vegas doesn't make ten mistakes. That's a third of the league. But we'll have some fun with it. So the United States States beats South Sudan yesterday, and what was interesting is Joel Embiid did not play. And South Sudan's best player was a center, and supposedly our best center did not play. So it's like been an awakening for Joel Embiid, except a bad one. Is that everybody at the Olympics has to qualify for the Olympics, you know, except basketball player men's and women's. Caitlin Clark apparently wasn't good enough. Joel Mbiid should have been the first team center. And then by the second exhibition game you realized bam out to buy you and Anthony Davis not only fit better, are they better? I mean that's how you select the men's and women's team. It's subjective. I hope this person fits. Jalen Brown, MVP of the finals. No thanks, Derek White, fourth best player for the Celtics. You bet Tatum's great. Doesn't get a minute in some games. But Embiid not playing to me is a sign the league is finally getting it on a world global stage. He doesn't fit and in Philadelphia and here he can clog up the offense. Now, some of this is and he's got some really really good skills for his size, but the NBA me he attends to annoyed stars superstars before they really are. Jah Moran is a great example. He's a tiny, tiny, thin player, like go under one hundred and eighty five pounds. He's small, so what's that mean? You better be able to shoot? He can't. His best three point percentage year is thirty four percent. Gets hurt a lot. He's immature. I understand that players come into the league early, so I'm not going to bang on him too much for that. But the reality is I was told he was going to take over the league. He can't take over his division, forget his conference. Derek Rose. I was told for year, Derek Rose, this is the future. Again, tiny player that can't shoot his career three point shooting. His thirty two percent in Chicago it was thirty. This is not the seventies and eighties where slam dunks define you. You got if you're under six ' five. In this league, you either have to be an unbelievable defender distributor, or you gotta shoot. Joe LMB doesn't defend like Anthony Davis. He's not nearly his athletic, doesn't run the floor like Yannis. He doesn't have the layers and the dexterity and the shooting and passing of Jokic. And although he has some qualities of Shack, he doesn't dominate and win like him. We are seeing an awakening people finally acknowledging he clogs up it. We've always blamed the coaches and his teammates in Philadelphia, but now we have Spolstra and Steve Kerr and Lebron and Steph and Ad and it doesn't work. He's been anointed to something he's not. He's really talented and productive, but the regular season, he's a big body. People don't even want to take charges. In the regular season, they get out of the way. Lots of easy baskets, and his size and his ability eight feet into score is gonna get points and rebounds. But right now he's a thirty year old with a mountain of injuries who has yet to prove he doesn't get in the way with other great players and he doesn't necessarily elevate others. The Sixers, as they've built around him, have yet to win a second round playoff series in the East, which is like the Big Twelve of college football in the East. He can't win a second round playoff series, and that's been eight years. Young Celtics, dysfunctional, Knicks, Pacers rebuilding, Lebron leaves Miami, Kawhi leaves Toronto. The East has been wide open for almost a decade, and he can't win a second round playoff series. What you're seeing is what he is productive. But basketball in the Olympics is something you don't have to qualify for. It's subjective and people are influenced by popularity in production. This, to me is what the critics of en beat have been saying, and there's not many look at him. With one coach in Philly, or another teammate in Philly, or now the world's best players, he gets in the way. So people draft their quarterbacks in the first round, and you know this I'm not telling you anything. When you draft a quarterback in the first round, there's a much greater chance he misses then becomes Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Mahomes, much greater chance. You go to the last decade, it has been I think thirty two quarterbacks drafted in the first round. There's been seven stars and seventeen misses. Drake May sounds like it's not going well in New England. According to Michael Hawley, somebody I know trust and respect. He said, I went to recent practices. I wanted him to be Justin Herbert and Josh Allen because those were the comps. But what I saw was the ghost of Matt Jones. He could couldn't do anything right. Sorry to laugh. There's another story that Joe Milton, he was the quarterback fun to watch from Tennessee. Six round, they drafted two quarterbacks that Milton has a wow factor, big, stronger arm than May, more athletic than May. And everybody's looking thinking is the sixth round guy better than the first round guy? But part of it is this take out the Randy Moss years. Three years, even with Brady Gronken Edelman and no Moss. New England was never an offensive culture. It was briefly with Randy Moss, but it was a do your job, sacrifice for the team, even paycheck. It was never an organization of offensive creativity abundance. Joy that's Kansas City, that's San Francisco, that's the Rams. Sometimes it's Philadelphia. It's not New England. Here's a prime example with the greatest quarterback in the history of the sport. They went to nine Super Bowls in New England. Do you know how many touchdowns they scored in nine first quarters?

Well, yeah, we're doing five each after about three. Come on, I'm crossing my fingers on a couple. But I want to make it challenging. We're not about being right, We're about making it interesting. So we have ten total teams, and you know, Vegas doesn't make ten mistakes. That's a third of the league. But we'll have some fun with it. So the United States States beats South Sudan yesterday, and what was interesting is Joel Embiid did not play. And South Sudan's best player was a center, and supposedly our best center did not play. So it's like been an awakening for Joel Embiid, except a bad one. Is that everybody at the Olympics has to qualify for the Olympics, you know, except basketball player men's and women's. Caitlin Clark apparently wasn't good enough. Joel Mbiid should have been the first team center. And then by the second exhibition game you realized bam out to buy you and Anthony Davis not only fit better, are they better? I mean that's how you select the men's and women's team. It's subjective. I hope this person fits. Jalen Brown, MVP of the finals. No thanks, Derek White, fourth best player for the Celtics. You bet Tatum's great. Doesn't get a minute in some games. But Embiid not playing to me is a sign the league is finally getting it on a world global stage. He doesn't fit and in Philadelphia and here he can clog up the offense. Now, some of this is and he's got some really really good skills for his size, but the NBA me he attends to annoyed stars superstars before they really are. Jah Moran is a great example. He's a tiny, tiny, thin player, like go under one hundred and eighty five pounds. He's small, so what's that mean? You better be able to shoot? He can't. His best three point percentage year is thirty four percent. Gets hurt a lot. He's immature. I understand that players come into the league early, so I'm not going to bang on him too much for that. But the reality is I was told he was going to take over the league. He can't take over his division, forget his conference. Derek Rose. I was told for year, Derek Rose, this is the future. Again, tiny player that can't shoot his career three point shooting. His thirty two percent in Chicago it was thirty. This is not the seventies and eighties where slam dunks define you. You got if you're under six ' five. In this league, you either have to be an unbelievable defender distributor, or you gotta shoot. Joe LMB doesn't defend like Anthony Davis. He's not nearly his athletic, doesn't run the floor like Yannis. He doesn't have the layers and the dexterity and the shooting and passing of Jokic. And although he has some qualities of Shack, he doesn't dominate and win like him. We are seeing an awakening people finally acknowledging he clogs up it. We've always blamed the coaches and his teammates in Philadelphia, but now we have Spolstra and Steve Kerr and Lebron and Steph and Ad and it doesn't work. He's been anointed to something he's not. He's really talented and productive, but the regular season, he's a big body. People don't even want to take charges. In the regular season, they get out of the way. Lots of easy baskets, and his size and his ability eight feet into score is gonna get points and rebounds. But right now he's a thirty year old with a mountain of injuries who has yet to prove he doesn't get in the way with other great players and he doesn't necessarily elevate others. The Sixers, as they've built around him, have yet to win a second round playoff series in the East, which is like the Big Twelve of college football in the East. He can't win a second round playoff series, and that's been eight years. Young Celtics, dysfunctional, Knicks, Pacers rebuilding, Lebron leaves Miami, Kawhi leaves Toronto. The East has been wide open for almost a decade, and he can't win a second round playoff series. What you're seeing is what he is productive. But basketball in the Olympics is something you don't have to qualify for. It's subjective and people are influenced by popularity in production. This, to me is what the critics of en beat have been saying, and there's not many look at him. With one coach in Philly, or another teammate in Philly, or now the world's best players, he gets in the way. So people draft their quarterbacks in the first round, and you know this I'm not telling you anything. When you draft a quarterback in the first round, there's a much greater chance he misses then becomes Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Mahomes, much greater chance. You go to the last decade, it has been I think thirty two quarterbacks drafted in the first round. There's been seven stars and seventeen misses. Drake May sounds like it's not going well in New England. According to Michael Hawley, somebody I know trust and respect. He said, I went to recent practices. I wanted him to be Justin Herbert and Josh Allen because those were the comps. But what I saw was the ghost of Matt Jones. He could couldn't do anything right. Sorry to laugh. There's another story that Joe Milton, he was the quarterback fun to watch from Tennessee. Six round, they drafted two quarterbacks that Milton has a wow factor, big, stronger arm than May, more athletic than May. And everybody's looking thinking is the sixth round guy better than the first round guy? But part of it is this take out the Randy Moss years. Three years, even with Brady Gronken Edelman and no Moss. New England was never an offensive culture. It was briefly with Randy Moss, but it was a do your job, sacrifice for the team, even paycheck. It was never an organization of offensive creativity abundance. Joy that's Kansas City, that's San Francisco, that's the Rams. Sometimes it's Philadelphia. It's not New England. Here's a prime example with the greatest quarterback in the history of the sport. They went to nine Super Bowls in New England. Do you know how many touchdowns they scored in nine first quarters?

None?

None?

In fact, in nine super bowls with Brady, with Tom Brady, they scored total three points in the first quarter. Why because they were always a play it safe, don't make mistakes, hyper efficiency, will outsmart and out coach them. Again, the Randy Moss ears briefly were different. So Drake may comes into an organization they don't know offense is a defensive culture. And they hired girod Mayo, who's Belichick mantras terms belief system. So this was always going to be the toughest lift for any of these quarterbacks. I said, whoever Minnesota gets JJ McCarthy is bound to succeed great offensive head coach, great left tackle, a superstar receiver, good running backs, capable old line. JJ McCarthy would have to stink to not be eventually pretty successful. And whoever goes to New England will struggle. I mean, PFF ranks New England's wide receiving corps all Belichick drafted as thirty second. PFF ranks their running back group all Belichick drafted as twenty fifth, their offensive line as twenty eight. What does that tell you that the six round quarterback Joe Milton is going to probably win the job because he's the athlete. He's the bigger, stronger, faster, more dynamic athlete, and they don't have any at wide receiver, tied end at running back. Well, when I read this story, my take is yet Joe Milton will make plays. Listen, Kirk Cousins and RG three back in twenty twelve got drafted by Washington and they figured out by year two Cousins is the guy. I think that's what we're looking at now. I don't think I'm overreacting. I think when you look at the historical culture of New England and then they basically hire Belichick's favorite guy and Belichick's guy is a defensive guy, and defensive coaches see the world from a don't make mistakes, efficient run the ball when you have a lead, eat up the clock. That kind of mantrak could work with a Josh Allen level player. But Josh is a playmaker. He can overcome some of that conservative coaching. C J. Stroud's got a conservative coach.

In fact, in nine super bowls with Brady, with Tom Brady, they scored total three points in the first quarter. Why because they were always a play it safe, don't make mistakes, hyper efficiency, will outsmart and out coach them. Again, the Randy Moss ears briefly were different. So Drake may comes into an organization they don't know offense is a defensive culture. And they hired girod Mayo, who's Belichick mantras terms belief system. So this was always going to be the toughest lift for any of these quarterbacks. I said, whoever Minnesota gets JJ McCarthy is bound to succeed great offensive head coach, great left tackle, a superstar receiver, good running backs, capable old line. JJ McCarthy would have to stink to not be eventually pretty successful. And whoever goes to New England will struggle. I mean, PFF ranks New England's wide receiving corps all Belichick drafted as thirty second. PFF ranks their running back group all Belichick drafted as twenty fifth, their offensive line as twenty eight. What does that tell you that the six round quarterback Joe Milton is going to probably win the job because he's the athlete. He's the bigger, stronger, faster, more dynamic athlete, and they don't have any at wide receiver, tied end at running back. Well, when I read this story, my take is yet Joe Milton will make plays. Listen, Kirk Cousins and RG three back in twenty twelve got drafted by Washington and they figured out by year two Cousins is the guy. I think that's what we're looking at now. I don't think I'm overreacting. I think when you look at the historical culture of New England and then they basically hire Belichick's favorite guy and Belichick's guy is a defensive guy, and defensive coaches see the world from a don't make mistakes, efficient run the ball when you have a lead, eat up the clock. That kind of mantrak could work with a Josh Allen level player. But Josh is a playmaker. He can overcome some of that conservative coaching. C J. Stroud's got a conservative coach.

CJ.

CJ.

Stroud's talented enough to overcome that. But Drake May at his best was a project. Everybody knew that bad feet, not refined, miss easy throws, got some Herbert qualities. There's no question. I leaned on my NFL execs. What do you see? They said, there's a little Herbert, big, tall, good arm, pretty smart kid. But when you enter a defensive culture where they just hired another defensive coach, they have no playmakers. Don't be shocked if Joe Milton wins this job or gets a lot of snaps this year. So J Mack, I saw another story with the Jets, another story with a Jets. Yeah. I hope they're good because they become a content factory for us, But I a little disappointing the news.

Stroud's talented enough to overcome that. But Drake May at his best was a project. Everybody knew that bad feet, not refined, miss easy throws, got some Herbert qualities. There's no question. I leaned on my NFL execs. What do you see? They said, there's a little Herbert, big, tall, good arm, pretty smart kid. But when you enter a defensive culture where they just hired another defensive coach, they have no playmakers. Don't be shocked if Joe Milton wins this job or gets a lot of snaps this year. So J Mack, I saw another story with the Jets, another story with a Jets. Yeah. I hope they're good because they become a content factory for us, But I a little disappointing the news.

I'm here, Well, come week one again, San Francisco.

I'm here, Well, come week one again, San Francisco.

Nobody's gonna remember the argument between Rogers and Garrett.

Nobody's gonna remember the argument between Rogers and Garrett.

Wilson or the Egypt trip. All that stuff goes out the window.

Wilson or the Egypt trip. All that stuff goes out the window.

You know.

You know.

It's fun off season fodder though, And you don't get your yucks. That's a word, right, toys.

It's fun off season fodder though, And you don't get your yucks. That's a word, right, toys.

Man, that gum ist return around the show. I've got such great energy today. I don't even they're not even a sponsor. What am I doing? So I gotta stop talking.

Man, that gum ist return around the show. I've got such great energy today. I don't even they're not even a sponsor. What am I doing? So I gotta stop talking.

You know, I had quit coffee earlier this this year, remember, and I've started started to want to go back to it recently.

You know, I had quit coffee earlier this this year, remember, and I've started started to want to go back to it recently.

Do I get that energy? Because I need to match your energy?

Do I get that energy? Because I need to match your energy?

Don't you like coffee though?

Don't you like coffee though?

Don't you like? I love it?

Don't you like? I love it?

But I don't.

But I don't.

I don't like the coffee. I like the white chocolate mocha. You know, Oh that's awful, sugar drink. Those are caring, They're bad for you.

I don't like the coffee. I like the white chocolate mocha. You know, Oh that's awful, sugar drink. Those are caring, They're bad for you.

Yeah, I just like this. I like the smell of coffee.

Yeah, I just like this. I like the smell of coffee.

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You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates. None of the bull so for years and years, Green Bay Packer fans would say, it's no big deal, it's a media creation. All the drip drip, drip drip of Aaron Rodgers. You take a shot at this coach, go on radio and say this, and Packer fans, middle aged men wearing cheese hats to games, would tell us, lecture us that it was just a media creation, and we'd say no. If your wife kept taking shots at you through your friends, after a while, little things add up to a big divorce, right, And that's what happened. The media wasn't wrong, and the media wasn't making stuff up. You were wrong. Is that he annoyed over and over and over again the Green Bay front office. So they eventually bailed on him. He came out of this darkness retreat and it was like I got caught off guard. I didn't stop with the palm palms. Be grown ups. Drip drip drip. If your kid skips a day of school, probably no big deal. But skips a day of school, starts hanging around a group of friends you don't really like, start smarting off to the teacher, it's a big deal. End up in the back of squad cars, the school's meth dealer. Little things become big things. Watch pay attention. Are you noticing what's happening with Aaron Rodgers and Robert Solow? You're noticing it? Coach on the hot seat, Prickley player who Green Bay finally gave up on. Listen to this with Aaron Rodgers. Are you telling me that Stafford would ever do this to McVeigh, Maholmes, would ever do this to Andy Reid, Goff, to Dan Campbell, Brady would have done this to Belichick. Here is Aaron when asked about his preseason plans.

You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates. None of the bull so for years and years, Green Bay Packer fans would say, it's no big deal, it's a media creation. All the drip drip, drip drip of Aaron Rodgers. You take a shot at this coach, go on radio and say this, and Packer fans, middle aged men wearing cheese hats to games, would tell us, lecture us that it was just a media creation, and we'd say no. If your wife kept taking shots at you through your friends, after a while, little things add up to a big divorce, right, And that's what happened. The media wasn't wrong, and the media wasn't making stuff up. You were wrong. Is that he annoyed over and over and over again the Green Bay front office. So they eventually bailed on him. He came out of this darkness retreat and it was like I got caught off guard. I didn't stop with the palm palms. Be grown ups. Drip drip drip. If your kid skips a day of school, probably no big deal. But skips a day of school, starts hanging around a group of friends you don't really like, start smarting off to the teacher, it's a big deal. End up in the back of squad cars, the school's meth dealer. Little things become big things. Watch pay attention. Are you noticing what's happening with Aaron Rodgers and Robert Solow? You're noticing it? Coach on the hot seat, Prickley player who Green Bay finally gave up on. Listen to this with Aaron Rodgers. Are you telling me that Stafford would ever do this to McVeigh, Maholmes, would ever do this to Andy Reid, Goff, to Dan Campbell, Brady would have done this to Belichick. Here is Aaron when asked about his preseason plans.

Yeah, I mean that's Roberts's decision. I've never told him I don't want to play in the preseason. If he decides he wants me to play against the Giants, I'll strap it up and look forward to that. I don't have any restrictions. I'm doing keepers rollouts. It was news to me yesterday when he said I wasn't going to play in the first two. Eric sent me that, thank you, but we hadn't even had a conversation yet about that.

Yeah, I mean that's Roberts's decision. I've never told him I don't want to play in the preseason. If he decides he wants me to play against the Giants, I'll strap it up and look forward to that. I don't have any restrictions. I'm doing keepers rollouts. It was news to me yesterday when he said I wasn't going to play in the first two. Eric sent me that, thank you, but we hadn't even had a conversation yet about that.

Did you have to go there? You really have to go there? It isn't a small thing. And why did Aaron do it because of what Robert Salah. He made a mistake too when Aaron miss camp. Remember this, Aaron and I spoke before OTIA started. He's been very good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's inexcused, but.

Did you have to go there? You really have to go there? It isn't a small thing. And why did Aaron do it because of what Robert Salah. He made a mistake too when Aaron miss camp. Remember this, Aaron and I spoke before OTIA started. He's been very good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's inexcused, but.

He had an event that was very important to him, which he communicated.

He had an event that was very important to him, which he communicated.

Just just stay away from that. Talk less. Aaron's not here. We've agreed to that. That's it. Stop talking. Don't need to say it's unexcused or inexcused, and Aaron doesn't have have to say you know, you know, we didn't communicate at all. Aaron had problems communicating with teammates in Green Bay, like DeVante Adams who left, and the front office and now Robert Sala and had a disagreement with Garrett Wilson. Aaron's not always the easiest person to communicate with, and he does not want to be called out publicly. So when Sala did that, and it just was a you don't have to go places. That's why when I ask sports figures questions, they have a right not to give me a straight answer. I'm not appalled by it because if I was a coach, I wouldn't know as be honest with the media, I'd be hiding things to protect my quarterback and my team and my GM and my owner. I get interviewed all the time. I'm not going to tell you everything all mostly try to be authentic and honest. But if you go into an area which could damage somebody's reputation at my company, I'm either going to make up up or avoid it because I'm not doing that. The interview doesn't mean as much as my relationships. So Aaron takes a shot back at Sala because Sala took a shot at him, and I know, just like Packer fans, it doesn't mean anything.

Just just stay away from that. Talk less. Aaron's not here. We've agreed to that. That's it. Stop talking. Don't need to say it's unexcused or inexcused, and Aaron doesn't have have to say you know, you know, we didn't communicate at all. Aaron had problems communicating with teammates in Green Bay, like DeVante Adams who left, and the front office and now Robert Sala and had a disagreement with Garrett Wilson. Aaron's not always the easiest person to communicate with, and he does not want to be called out publicly. So when Sala did that, and it just was a you don't have to go places. That's why when I ask sports figures questions, they have a right not to give me a straight answer. I'm not appalled by it because if I was a coach, I wouldn't know as be honest with the media, I'd be hiding things to protect my quarterback and my team and my GM and my owner. I get interviewed all the time. I'm not going to tell you everything all mostly try to be authentic and honest. But if you go into an area which could damage somebody's reputation at my company, I'm either going to make up up or avoid it because I'm not doing that. The interview doesn't mean as much as my relationships. So Aaron takes a shot back at Sala because Sala took a shot at him, and I know, just like Packer fans, it doesn't mean anything.

It does.

It does.

It's the little stuff, you know. I mean, you guys can keep telling me none of this stuff matters. It always matters. I always say this. If you see a husband and wife nitpicking each other at a party publicly, what's it like on the drive home? So if Sla and Aaron are doing this now publicly, when they get beat thirty three to seventeen in San Francisco, how's the flight home going to be? Not great? But stop trying to convince me this stuff is nothing. I have eyes, I have ears, I can see, I can hear it's not great. McVeigh Stafford. Don't act like that. Belichick. Brady didn't act like that. Even though they never went to dinner. Brady didn't call out Belichick. What are you doing? J Mackle?

It's the little stuff, you know. I mean, you guys can keep telling me none of this stuff matters. It always matters. I always say this. If you see a husband and wife nitpicking each other at a party publicly, what's it like on the drive home? So if Sla and Aaron are doing this now publicly, when they get beat thirty three to seventeen in San Francisco, how's the flight home going to be? Not great? But stop trying to convince me this stuff is nothing. I have eyes, I have ears, I can see, I can hear it's not great. McVeigh Stafford. Don't act like that. Belichick. Brady didn't act like that. Even though they never went to dinner. Brady didn't call out Belichick. What are you doing? J Mackle?

The news turns this is the herd line news.

The news turns this is the herd line news.

It's just, uh, the lack of communication between these two is really on display this summer. Sala and Roger, it's not good. Not excited for the Jets at this moment. I'll be fine once the game start. All right, let's get started with your favorite quarterback in mind, rock Party Colin Rough.

It's just, uh, the lack of communication between these two is really on display this summer. Sala and Roger, it's not good. Not excited for the Jets at this moment. I'll be fine once the game start. All right, let's get started with your favorite quarterback in mind, rock Party Colin Rough.

Couple of days at practice for QB one.

Couple of days at practice for QB one.

He had seven interceptions earlier this week in a couple of days, but.

He had seven interceptions earlier this week in a couple of days, but.

He bounced back on Wednesday.

He bounced back on Wednesday.

Oh, he bounced back.

Oh, he bounced back.

Three red zone touchdowns and no turnovers on handoffs.

Three red zone touchdowns and no turnovers on handoffs.

Oh boy, I knew this was coming.

Oh boy, I knew this was coming.

Well.

Well.

Listen, Rock Perty's on fire yesterday. George Kittle believes Purty is making the offense his own.

Listen, Rock Perty's on fire yesterday. George Kittle believes Purty is making the offense his own.

I feel like he's just more comfortable with the offense. Like that's really like he seems very comfortable with it, and he seems like he's like taking it and making it his offense. Like just his confidence in the pocket throwing the ball, telling guys, hey, you know you need to do this, like you need to push her out depth here, Yeah, you need to run out of it. I think he said it too, like he was like, I want to be great every single day. And you can see that mindset on him, like he is dialed in and just locked in every single rep.

I feel like he's just more comfortable with the offense. Like that's really like he seems very comfortable with it, and he seems like he's like taking it and making it his offense. Like just his confidence in the pocket throwing the ball, telling guys, hey, you know you need to do this, like you need to push her out depth here, Yeah, you need to run out of it. I think he said it too, like he was like, I want to be great every single day. And you can see that mindset on him, like he is dialed in and just locked in every single rep.

Sounds like a leader to me, locked in, dialed in every rep, making the offense.

Sounds like a leader to me, locked in, dialed in every rep, making the offense.

His brock Perty very cerebral.

His brock Perty very cerebral.

I like cerebral quarterbacks. I also like guys that don't those seven picks in camp.

I like cerebral quarterbacks. I also like guys that don't those seven picks in camp.

But you think I should put some money on Perty to win the MVP or is there just no chance? Well, I.

But you think I should put some money on Perty to win the MVP or is there just no chance? Well, I.

You can, He'll be productive. It's like putting MVP on Kirk Cousins. He was a Dak productive.

You can, He'll be productive. It's like putting MVP on Kirk Cousins. He was a Dak productive.

Well.

Well.

He usually goes to the best player on the best team, where you could just say the quarterback of the best team.

He usually goes to the best player on the best team, where you could just say the quarterback of the best team.

He's about the sixth best player on that team.

He's about the sixth best player on that team.

Seven I said, I said, I admended it. It usually goes to the quarterback of the team with the best record.

Seven I said, I said, I admended it. It usually goes to the quarterback of the team with the best record.

Ravens. Last year, nobody thought Lamar was.

Ravens. Last year, nobody thought Lamar was.

A better I do not think this team is going to have the best record they will be potentially one of the teams in thirty five minutes from now.

A better I do not think this team is going to have the best record they will be potentially one of the teams in thirty five minutes from now.

I have them on my list. Two interesting. Okay, all right, so no pretty MVP ticket this.

I have them on my list. Two interesting. Okay, all right, so no pretty MVP ticket this.

Thirty five minutes from now. We're doing one time only one showing only are five over and unders a piece, so it's ten total teams. Now it's it's hard. We're not going to go ten for ten. I have two or three I really feel strongly about, and a couple I'm rolling the dice, kind of projecting what's going to happen.

Thirty five minutes from now. We're doing one time only one showing only are five over and unders a piece, so it's ten total teams. Now it's it's hard. We're not going to go ten for ten. I have two or three I really feel strongly about, and a couple I'm rolling the dice, kind of projecting what's going to happen.

The six for ten, that's a win. Your profitable.

The six for ten, that's a win. Your profitable.

If we both got three right out of our fives, you feel pretty good a lot.

If we both got three right out of our fives, you feel pretty good a lot.

Anyways, let's go up to the Chicago Bears.

Anyways, let's go up to the Chicago Bears.

They open the season preseason tonight against the Texans. But no Caleb Williams. Obviously he will not play tonight. A little disappointing, but whatever. A friend of the show, Mercedes Lewis, recently compared Kayleb Williams two league to a league MVP on the Old Facts, No Breaks podcast with Keishawn Johnson.

They open the season preseason tonight against the Texans. But no Caleb Williams. Obviously he will not play tonight. A little disappointing, but whatever. A friend of the show, Mercedes Lewis, recently compared Kayleb Williams two league to a league MVP on the Old Facts, No Breaks podcast with Keishawn Johnson.

Wants to be great. You can tell what he you know, if he doesn't do something correct, He's directed himself like he's uh can make every brow Lord Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers as decides a limit for him, I mean, asks all the right questions. He's a leader, like naturally, he doesn't walk around like you know, like you know it all, like he's just I'm impressed so far.

Wants to be great. You can tell what he you know, if he doesn't do something correct, He's directed himself like he's uh can make every brow Lord Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers as decides a limit for him, I mean, asks all the right questions. He's a leader, like naturally, he doesn't walk around like you know, like you know it all, like he's just I'm impressed so far.

Well, I trust Mercedes. What he says is right. So he has been very accurate to me off the air and on the show.

Well, I trust Mercedes. What he says is right. So he has been very accurate to me off the air and on the show.

So Caleb is saying everything right, doing everything right, being a leader.

So Caleb is saying everything right, doing everything right, being a leader.

He straddles that line. I understand the people that are like he's a little cocky. I understand that. I can see it. I he's been so good for so long, since he was fifteen, sixteen years old. And I also think when you go into a losing organization, one of the things you can't have is doubt. Like I'm gonna give him a little pass if he's a little more confident than you'd like him to be, because this organization has never been able to get offense right in one hundred and something years. So like to me, he's gonna have to withstand criticism, losses, and he's gonna need a lot of confidence. And we don't always get that. You think all athletes are confident. Is Jason Tatum super confident? I think he shrinks so like not every great player is confident. You see it in baseball all the time. We're a guy in golf where a great golfer loses confidence, gets the yips, and literally great golfers have bad years. You see. You see it in batting. And at one point a Rod was dropped to eighth in the lineup in a playoff series for the Yankees. I think against Detroit was it because he wasn't talented? He lost confidence? So I do think confident quarterback Caleb is gonna get sacked. He's gonna lose games. I mean, the Packers in the Lions are Super Bowl contenders, So I'm okay with him being hyper confident. I am I don't see cocky, but I understand those who see it. I get it.

He straddles that line. I understand the people that are like he's a little cocky. I understand that. I can see it. I he's been so good for so long, since he was fifteen, sixteen years old. And I also think when you go into a losing organization, one of the things you can't have is doubt. Like I'm gonna give him a little pass if he's a little more confident than you'd like him to be, because this organization has never been able to get offense right in one hundred and something years. So like to me, he's gonna have to withstand criticism, losses, and he's gonna need a lot of confidence. And we don't always get that. You think all athletes are confident. Is Jason Tatum super confident? I think he shrinks so like not every great player is confident. You see it in baseball all the time. We're a guy in golf where a great golfer loses confidence, gets the yips, and literally great golfers have bad years. You see. You see it in batting. And at one point a Rod was dropped to eighth in the lineup in a playoff series for the Yankees. I think against Detroit was it because he wasn't talented? He lost confidence? So I do think confident quarterback Caleb is gonna get sacked. He's gonna lose games. I mean, the Packers in the Lions are Super Bowl contenders, So I'm okay with him being hyper confident. I am I don't see cocky, but I understand those who see it. I get it.

I'm happy that the narrative is changing on Caleb.

I'm happy that the narrative is changing on Caleb.

Remember a couple months ago, it was why is he painting his fingernails? Why does he have a was it a pink cell phone case? What he's crying to his mom after a game?

Remember a couple months ago, it was why is he painting his fingernails? Why does he have a was it a pink cell phone case? What he's crying to his mom after a game?

Like?

Like?

Remember how the narrative was kind of negative on Caleb.

Remember how the narrative was kind of negative on Caleb.

Then he was overly emotional.

Then he was overly emotional.

Yeah, and some of the other other stuff. It's like, didn't he payin no letters on his fingernails.

Yeah, and some of the other other stuff. It's like, didn't he payin no letters on his fingernails.

For lighting game? And people are freaking out.

For lighting game? And people are freaking out.

Now it's like, Hey, this guy's on the field in the locker room and he's awesome and dominating.

Now it's like, Hey, this guy's on the field in the locker room and he's awesome and dominating.

Like now we're the stuff. This is the stuff that matters.

Like now we're the stuff. This is the stuff that matters.

Right, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm telling you. I can't wait to watch the Bears play. I am. So that's why I wish he was playing a series tonight. What if the Bears don't play him the preseason they want to protect him, and he doesn't play until the opener against Tennessee, Oh my god, that's going to get a rating in a half.

Right, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm telling you. I can't wait to watch the Bears play. I am. So that's why I wish he was playing a series tonight. What if the Bears don't play him the preseason they want to protect him, and he doesn't play until the opener against Tennessee, Oh my god, that's going to get a rating in a half.

So didn't Sanchez say he was the Bears opener? Yeah, Sanchez be there that.

So didn't Sanchez say he was the Bears opener? Yeah, Sanchez be there that.

Week meeting with the team.

Week meeting with the team.

So maybe for the Friday before Week one we get Sanchez on.

So maybe for the Friday before Week one we get Sanchez on.

All I'm doing is crossing my fingers on the health of the Bears offensive players. I cannot remember a time in my life where I looked at Chicago and thought, oh, I can't wait to watch them. They've always they've had defenses my whole life. But I mean literally with Aaron Rodgers and Farv in Green Bay. You couldn't wait to watch their games, or Peyton Manning or Mahomes. Like a Chiefs game or a Baltimore game. When you have a great quarterback. Beyond just being a local fan, it's like, oh, I want to watch that game. It gets me to a television. You can't get me to watch Carolina. I do it because I do this for a living. But I mean, like Chicago is must see TV so and they got a lot of one o'clock window games there. Here's my prediction, Bears merch will explode this year. Chicago Bears merch. I mean, you see packer hats all over America, you see cowboy gear, you see watch Bears merch explode.

All I'm doing is crossing my fingers on the health of the Bears offensive players. I cannot remember a time in my life where I looked at Chicago and thought, oh, I can't wait to watch them. They've always they've had defenses my whole life. But I mean literally with Aaron Rodgers and Farv in Green Bay. You couldn't wait to watch their games, or Peyton Manning or Mahomes. Like a Chiefs game or a Baltimore game. When you have a great quarterback. Beyond just being a local fan, it's like, oh, I want to watch that game. It gets me to a television. You can't get me to watch Carolina. I do it because I do this for a living. But I mean, like Chicago is must see TV so and they got a lot of one o'clock window games there. Here's my prediction, Bears merch will explode this year. Chicago Bears merch. I mean, you see packer hats all over America, you see cowboy gear, you see watch Bears merch explode.

Boom. That's a good, good take.

Boom. That's a good, good take.

Final story is the Steelers and their quarterback competition. We're using that word now, competition. Russell Wilson has been limited due to a calf injury. Justin Field's taken a lot more reps with the Ones and has reportedly been impressive. Despite the success, Mike Tomlin has not reset the depth chart just yet.

Final story is the Steelers and their quarterback competition. We're using that word now, competition. Russell Wilson has been limited due to a calf injury. Justin Field's taken a lot more reps with the Ones and has reportedly been impressive. Despite the success, Mike Tomlin has not reset the depth chart just yet.

We got two really capable guys.

We got two really capable guys.

We're going to create an environment where they get an opportunity to compete, to show what they're capable of.

We're going to create an environment where they get an opportunity to compete, to show what they're capable of.

Justin's really taken advantage.

Justin's really taken advantage.

Of the opportunity for additional snaps because Rust been out some here the first week and so really excited about the trajectory of it, excited about it. Continue to go with the process and having them display their skills.

Of the opportunity for additional snaps because Rust been out some here the first week and so really excited about the trajectory of it, excited about it. Continue to go with the process and having them display their skills.

They're another team really interesting. You know, it's funny when a football season ends. So you and I from Labor Day, like Tuesday of Labor Day until late February six and a half months, like, we don't take a day off on Saturdays, even with your kids. You're watching games on Saturday. You know, you and I we don't. We don't get We get a little break a couple of days off in Thanksgiving, but we're still around a TV because that's when it's a great football weekend. And then when football season ends after the Super Bowl, I do feel like for a month, I'm like, I'm kind of footballed out. I want to talk about March Madness was big this year, or or basketball or or whatever. But by August, late July and August, I'm so now into it. I'm sitting yesterday reading for two hours because my TV didn't work. Oh no, but I watched USA and South Sudan on a on a small phone, so it was you know, but.

They're another team really interesting. You know, it's funny when a football season ends. So you and I from Labor Day, like Tuesday of Labor Day until late February six and a half months, like, we don't take a day off on Saturdays, even with your kids. You're watching games on Saturday. You know, you and I we don't. We don't get We get a little break a couple of days off in Thanksgiving, but we're still around a TV because that's when it's a great football weekend. And then when football season ends after the Super Bowl, I do feel like for a month, I'm like, I'm kind of footballed out. I want to talk about March Madness was big this year, or or basketball or or whatever. But by August, late July and August, I'm so now into it. I'm sitting yesterday reading for two hours because my TV didn't work. Oh no, but I watched USA and South Sudan on a on a small phone, so it was you know, but.

So would just you have to like read a book with no I.

So would just you have to like read a book with no I.

Just say I read. I must have read a half a dozen to a dozen NFL athletic stories. I'm so geek for.

Just say I read. I must have read a half a dozen to a dozen NFL athletic stories. I'm so geek for.

Football, hey, real quick.

Football, hey, real quick.

I don't know if you saw, but there was like a Steeler's old dust up and I was reading about it and apparently there was like a late hit on Justin Fields and everybody on the offense back to their quarterback up and got in a fight with the defense.

I don't know if you saw, but there was like a Steeler's old dust up and I was reading about it and apparently there was like a late hit on Justin Fields and everybody on the offense back to their quarterback up and got in a fight with the defense.

Yes, and it's a small thing. You can see this scrum here.

Yes, and it's a small thing. You can see this scrum here.

I just wonder has Fields already won over that locker room and could that influence Tomlin's decision? Hey man, everybody loves Justin. We're gonna start Justin I just I don't know if we're there yet, but.

I just wonder has Fields already won over that locker room and could that influence Tomlin's decision? Hey man, everybody loves Justin. We're gonna start Justin I just I don't know if we're there yet, but.

No, this is a real thing and we're not gonna get credit for it. We were on this three weeks ago. Is that Justin Fields to the very end in Chicago, as he was losing games and playing poorly, players loved him. They didn't love Mac Jones By the second year. This idea that everybody loves young quarterbacks. Mac Jones was unpopular by the middle of year two. Like players didn't like him. I was told one of the offensive linemen went into his grill early in year two for mac Jones and said, stop the cheap stuff. I mean, like players were calling him out. Justin fields lost for four years and players loved him. Some guys have it. Some guys in locker rooms everybody likes and some guys are. You know, Russell Wilson had a little bit of that. He doesn't necessarily connect with everybody.

No, this is a real thing and we're not gonna get credit for it. We were on this three weeks ago. Is that Justin Fields to the very end in Chicago, as he was losing games and playing poorly, players loved him. They didn't love Mac Jones By the second year. This idea that everybody loves young quarterbacks. Mac Jones was unpopular by the middle of year two. Like players didn't like him. I was told one of the offensive linemen went into his grill early in year two for mac Jones and said, stop the cheap stuff. I mean, like players were calling him out. Justin fields lost for four years and players loved him. Some guys have it. Some guys in locker rooms everybody likes and some guys are. You know, Russell Wilson had a little bit of that. He doesn't necessarily connect with everybody.

And he's gonna have to win win the locker room over with his play, and that's just not something he's totally done the last couple of years.

And he's gonna have to win win the locker room over with his play, and that's just not something he's totally done the last couple of years.

I know you said the numbers are good with Peyton, but I mean even Brady.

I know you said the numbers are good with Peyton, but I mean even Brady.

Tom Brady in his prime made a point of trying to connect with younger teammates music technology. He wanted to be. I mean, as he became like thirty eight, thirty nine, forty and his teammates were twenty one, twenty two to twenty three, Brady made an effort to connect with his younger teammates. He saw what was happening in the locker room. Like Russell didn't connect with players when he was twenty six, and so now he's wealthier he is, you know, he's a different kind of gravitas with russ than Justin and the NFL locker rooms simultaneously have been getting younger, not older. Players now retire earlier because more money is guaranteed. So the locker rooms are getting younger, and older quarterbacks can succeed. But you got to be the right kind of personality. You can't be grumpy old Brett Farb I don't want to learn a new offense. You gotta be like Matt Stafford. Like Matt Stafford's wife came out, Remember that, Matt Stafford's wife came out like a year ago and said it's hard. Matt's like the dad, they're the kids and Stafford, you know, Matt was like, you probably don't want your wife saying that, right, or anybody's saying that, But it's a reality of the NFL. The league is getting younger because players now can retire. They don't have to sign a third contract an interior offensive lineman, that guy's not gonna be with you. He's gonna retire he didn't want to take the beating. He's got seventy million in the bank. So it's a real thing going on here and I think popular Justin Rich Russell, you go into one two game losing streak, that locker room's gonna shift and Mike Tomlin is gonna have to make tough decisions.

Tom Brady in his prime made a point of trying to connect with younger teammates music technology. He wanted to be. I mean, as he became like thirty eight, thirty nine, forty and his teammates were twenty one, twenty two to twenty three, Brady made an effort to connect with his younger teammates. He saw what was happening in the locker room. Like Russell didn't connect with players when he was twenty six, and so now he's wealthier he is, you know, he's a different kind of gravitas with russ than Justin and the NFL locker rooms simultaneously have been getting younger, not older. Players now retire earlier because more money is guaranteed. So the locker rooms are getting younger, and older quarterbacks can succeed. But you got to be the right kind of personality. You can't be grumpy old Brett Farb I don't want to learn a new offense. You gotta be like Matt Stafford. Like Matt Stafford's wife came out, Remember that, Matt Stafford's wife came out like a year ago and said it's hard. Matt's like the dad, they're the kids and Stafford, you know, Matt was like, you probably don't want your wife saying that, right, or anybody's saying that, But it's a reality of the NFL. The league is getting younger because players now can retire. They don't have to sign a third contract an interior offensive lineman, that guy's not gonna be with you. He's gonna retire he didn't want to take the beating. He's got seventy million in the bank. So it's a real thing going on here and I think popular Justin Rich Russell, you go into one two game losing streak, that locker room's gonna shift and Mike Tomlin is gonna have to make tough decisions.

Jay mcklenews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.

Jay mcklenews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.

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Top of the hour, fifteen minutes from now are over unders a one time showing five teams we think are better than projections, five teams we believe are worse. Fifteen minutes from now. Diana Russini stops by Top of the hour as well the latest with the NFL camps. So Sean Payton used to work at Fox, Great Turnaround artist in New Orleans now with Denver first year ian Herrits Russell Wilson. He makes Russell Wilson about as good as my opinion as you're gonna make Russell Wilson. At this point, the defense is awful. That's not Sean's issue. He didn't draft it. The organization gave up big draft capital to get Russell Wilson, so he inherited. I've said this before. When I heard that Sean Payton took the job, my take was wait one year and take the Chargers job. Brandon Staley's not gonna last, but Harbaugh got that. He took a lot of money, and so I think Denver is not a turnaround job, like it's gonna take some time. And the Russell Peyton thing I never thought was gonna work. They're just totally different people. Sean Payton is intense, in your face, matter of fact, like him or not authentic. Russell's different, more protective, more optimistic. He's just a different cat, not a bad, just different. It was never gonna work, and so now he gets bo Nicks. This is his quarterback. And before the draft I had projected I think of all the quarterbacks that match what Denver needs and what Sean needs and will be available, I would take bow Knicks. I think he's got some Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater qualities and Sean was good with both. And so here's so far at Camp Boon Nicks is now looks like he's pulling away from Zach Wilson, Jarrett Stidham. Here is Sean and what he sees.

Top of the hour, fifteen minutes from now are over unders a one time showing five teams we think are better than projections, five teams we believe are worse. Fifteen minutes from now. Diana Russini stops by Top of the hour as well the latest with the NFL camps. So Sean Payton used to work at Fox, Great Turnaround artist in New Orleans now with Denver first year ian Herrits Russell Wilson. He makes Russell Wilson about as good as my opinion as you're gonna make Russell Wilson. At this point, the defense is awful. That's not Sean's issue. He didn't draft it. The organization gave up big draft capital to get Russell Wilson, so he inherited. I've said this before. When I heard that Sean Payton took the job, my take was wait one year and take the Chargers job. Brandon Staley's not gonna last, but Harbaugh got that. He took a lot of money, and so I think Denver is not a turnaround job, like it's gonna take some time. And the Russell Peyton thing I never thought was gonna work. They're just totally different people. Sean Payton is intense, in your face, matter of fact, like him or not authentic. Russell's different, more protective, more optimistic. He's just a different cat, not a bad, just different. It was never gonna work, and so now he gets bo Nicks. This is his quarterback. And before the draft I had projected I think of all the quarterbacks that match what Denver needs and what Sean needs and will be available, I would take bow Knicks. I think he's got some Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater qualities and Sean was good with both. And so here's so far at Camp Boon Nicks is now looks like he's pulling away from Zach Wilson, Jarrett Stidham. Here is Sean and what he sees.

I mean, we'll see the tape and evaluated. But I thought overall pretty well. I mean, you know, there are clips plays where you're going to look at and correct and then there's others where you're going to say, hey, he ran with the ones and.

I mean, we'll see the tape and evaluated. But I thought overall pretty well. I mean, you know, there are clips plays where you're going to look at and correct and then there's others where you're going to say, hey, he ran with the ones and.

I like his progress.

I like his progress.

So here's one of the things I've learned in life. If you have a strong personality Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, people are going to give you. You get no patience. I mean it's insane. Harbaugh took over Michigan. The first year, he doubled the wind total, but he was doing recruiting trips in Rome. He was sleeping over at recruits house. He had a big personality, defiant, and I mean by year three, people were bailing on Jim Harbaugh idiotic, like he can't coach Sean Payton. Literally, the Saints were the worst franchise in the league. In fact, I'd argue along with the Clippers. They were the worst franchise in America maybe North America for like twenty five years. And literally he turned him around very quickly. He knows what he's doing. But Harbon Michigan was not a one year turnaround. It took them years, probably six years until they had like an SEC level roster. And Denver's not a quick turnaround. They gave up draft picks, salary cap, it's a mess. And so first year he got Russell as good as he's gonna get. I think you saw Russell as good as he's gonna get. He was able to move him. And now they start over and bo Nix isn't going to turn the world on fire as a rookie in the division with Herbert and Mahomes. But here's what's interesting. One of the I saw him play live twice Bonnicks, and I liked him. It's very good in both games, made no mistakes, super accurate. What I like about him is he has sixty one college starts. You know, I was thinking about it this morning. Does it matter? So Trey Lance, arguably or inarguably Trey Lance did not have enough college starts. The Niners wanted a more polished, refined quarterback with a currently great roster. They just didn't have the patience for him, so they got rid of him. But the twenty twenty two draft was a mixed bag, brought Purdy forty six starts. Clearly that helped him because the Niners again have a Super Bowl roster. They just lost patients with Trey Lance. They're like, hey, listen, we're not interested in a three year bill. You got to be good now. Brock Purdy was good now because of all the college starts. But Kenny Pickett had like forty nine college starts, couldn't play. Desmond Ritter same class, had forty nine college starts, didn't matter, couldn't play. I mean before bow Knicks, Colt McCoy had the more college starts, it didn't matter. Not a franchise guy. So the idea that all these college starts matter. Kyler Murray had seventeen, he can play. Daniel Jones same draft had thirty six camp Joe Burrow only had twenty eight. Doesn't matter, he can play. So the bottom line is talent is the most important thing. Here's what I do. Believe a large number of starts gives you if you view general managers as detectives. Their job is evidence before a draft. Your They want your character, they want your injuries, they want your bad habits. General managers in the NFL view them as detectives. The more evidence equals the stronger case for any detective, even a GM playing a detective. So you have a stronger case for your quarterback that you sell to the owner and the coach. Yeah, Maholmes had a lot of snaps in the Big twelve, made a lot of mistakes through picks. But at some point Bret Veach says that workouts. We got a lot of evidence here that the guy's unbelievable. And so with bow Nick sixty one starts, you have a lot of evidence. Doesn't have a big arm, a little small, but super accurate. If you dial up a play, he'll get the ball there. And he does have some mobility. He moves a little better, a little like Zach Wilson. He can move a little bit. He's athletic, he's tough. He took some hits at Auburn in Oregon. So you've got a lot of evidence. But I will say this to me with bow Nicks, and this this was with Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan just lost patience. We don't know what Trey Lance could become. He just lost patience because the roster was so great. What also helps bo Nicks is that Sean Peyton doesn't have a great roster, and so you can't say, well, I mean, look at the roster. So bo Nicks comes into a situation where Sean has already bailed on a Super Bowl winning quarterback. He is been pitching to his staff this is the guy. So Sean Payton's gonna have at least two years of patience with bo Nicks. That's why I think one of the reasons it will work is not the college starts, but Sean Payton by year three, he's safe now. But by year three, after this year, he got to put up some wins and so he can't bail on another quarterback. So he already sold to the organization. We're not winning big with Russ. Let's get rid of him. And Sean has the leverage and power to do that. You can't do it with a second quarterback. You're gonna start losing the GM, the coach, the owner. You're gonna lose the owners, You're gonna lose people upstairs. So I think one thing Bownicks has going for him is patience. Sean Peyton, who's not an overly patient guy, will exhibit patience here with bo Nicks, and that will be his greatest ally. He doesn't throw a great deep ball, never will going to run around like Lamar. You're never gonna be big now about the same size as Colt McCoy. But I think he's got I think he's a better player. I think he's more mobile, more athletic. But I think a lot of a lot of these things. When you're not a superstar talent, you can't be difficult and hard to coach, and you can't make a lot of mistakes. Boonix doesn't. He's not difficult. Dad was a coach and he doesn't make a ton of mistakes. You can make those when you're Lamar Josh Mahomes. You can make mistakes and throw picks because we're all going wow. So a lot of this stuff with quarterbacks is how long. I mean, Daniel Jones would not be in New York if not for the mar Fa. The Marra family told the GM and the coach. I see some Eli Manning. So this stuff is not just he can play or he can't. It's not really about your college stars. How patient is the coach, what's what's the runway, what's the owner thing? What's your timetable? And I think bo Nick isn't talented enough to be difficult or be on a very short leash. He needs two full years maybe three to show you once the once the roster gets better, I can win games. I can win games, but I don't think he's gonna burst through. Uh. And if if that was the situation, if he had the Niners roster, he'd win more games, but they'd be much less patient. That's the reality of this league, all right, So top of the hour, you know what we're doing over unders. There's also a story in women's basketball today which is fascinating. Remember what the live tour did the PGA. The PGA players felt like, we're not paid enough and that enabled the inefficiencies. With the PGA enabled to live tour, to go, guys, we'll pay a bigger purses and all the stars, most of the stars left the PGA. You see this new uh women's basketball league called the Unrivaled Basketball League, started by two former WNBA players.

So here's one of the things I've learned in life. If you have a strong personality Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, people are going to give you. You get no patience. I mean it's insane. Harbaugh took over Michigan. The first year, he doubled the wind total, but he was doing recruiting trips in Rome. He was sleeping over at recruits house. He had a big personality, defiant, and I mean by year three, people were bailing on Jim Harbaugh idiotic, like he can't coach Sean Payton. Literally, the Saints were the worst franchise in the league. In fact, I'd argue along with the Clippers. They were the worst franchise in America maybe North America for like twenty five years. And literally he turned him around very quickly. He knows what he's doing. But Harbon Michigan was not a one year turnaround. It took them years, probably six years until they had like an SEC level roster. And Denver's not a quick turnaround. They gave up draft picks, salary cap, it's a mess. And so first year he got Russell as good as he's gonna get. I think you saw Russell as good as he's gonna get. He was able to move him. And now they start over and bo Nix isn't going to turn the world on fire as a rookie in the division with Herbert and Mahomes. But here's what's interesting. One of the I saw him play live twice Bonnicks, and I liked him. It's very good in both games, made no mistakes, super accurate. What I like about him is he has sixty one college starts. You know, I was thinking about it this morning. Does it matter? So Trey Lance, arguably or inarguably Trey Lance did not have enough college starts. The Niners wanted a more polished, refined quarterback with a currently great roster. They just didn't have the patience for him, so they got rid of him. But the twenty twenty two draft was a mixed bag, brought Purdy forty six starts. Clearly that helped him because the Niners again have a Super Bowl roster. They just lost patients with Trey Lance. They're like, hey, listen, we're not interested in a three year bill. You got to be good now. Brock Purdy was good now because of all the college starts. But Kenny Pickett had like forty nine college starts, couldn't play. Desmond Ritter same class, had forty nine college starts, didn't matter, couldn't play. I mean before bow Knicks, Colt McCoy had the more college starts, it didn't matter. Not a franchise guy. So the idea that all these college starts matter. Kyler Murray had seventeen, he can play. Daniel Jones same draft had thirty six camp Joe Burrow only had twenty eight. Doesn't matter, he can play. So the bottom line is talent is the most important thing. Here's what I do. Believe a large number of starts gives you if you view general managers as detectives. Their job is evidence before a draft. Your They want your character, they want your injuries, they want your bad habits. General managers in the NFL view them as detectives. The more evidence equals the stronger case for any detective, even a GM playing a detective. So you have a stronger case for your quarterback that you sell to the owner and the coach. Yeah, Maholmes had a lot of snaps in the Big twelve, made a lot of mistakes through picks. But at some point Bret Veach says that workouts. We got a lot of evidence here that the guy's unbelievable. And so with bow Nick sixty one starts, you have a lot of evidence. Doesn't have a big arm, a little small, but super accurate. If you dial up a play, he'll get the ball there. And he does have some mobility. He moves a little better, a little like Zach Wilson. He can move a little bit. He's athletic, he's tough. He took some hits at Auburn in Oregon. So you've got a lot of evidence. But I will say this to me with bow Nicks, and this this was with Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan just lost patience. We don't know what Trey Lance could become. He just lost patience because the roster was so great. What also helps bo Nicks is that Sean Peyton doesn't have a great roster, and so you can't say, well, I mean, look at the roster. So bo Nicks comes into a situation where Sean has already bailed on a Super Bowl winning quarterback. He is been pitching to his staff this is the guy. So Sean Payton's gonna have at least two years of patience with bo Nicks. That's why I think one of the reasons it will work is not the college starts, but Sean Payton by year three, he's safe now. But by year three, after this year, he got to put up some wins and so he can't bail on another quarterback. So he already sold to the organization. We're not winning big with Russ. Let's get rid of him. And Sean has the leverage and power to do that. You can't do it with a second quarterback. You're gonna start losing the GM, the coach, the owner. You're gonna lose the owners, You're gonna lose people upstairs. So I think one thing Bownicks has going for him is patience. Sean Peyton, who's not an overly patient guy, will exhibit patience here with bo Nicks, and that will be his greatest ally. He doesn't throw a great deep ball, never will going to run around like Lamar. You're never gonna be big now about the same size as Colt McCoy. But I think he's got I think he's a better player. I think he's more mobile, more athletic. But I think a lot of a lot of these things. When you're not a superstar talent, you can't be difficult and hard to coach, and you can't make a lot of mistakes. Boonix doesn't. He's not difficult. Dad was a coach and he doesn't make a ton of mistakes. You can make those when you're Lamar Josh Mahomes. You can make mistakes and throw picks because we're all going wow. So a lot of this stuff with quarterbacks is how long. I mean, Daniel Jones would not be in New York if not for the mar Fa. The Marra family told the GM and the coach. I see some Eli Manning. So this stuff is not just he can play or he can't. It's not really about your college stars. How patient is the coach, what's what's the runway, what's the owner thing? What's your timetable? And I think bo Nick isn't talented enough to be difficult or be on a very short leash. He needs two full years maybe three to show you once the once the roster gets better, I can win games. I can win games, but I don't think he's gonna burst through. Uh. And if if that was the situation, if he had the Niners roster, he'd win more games, but they'd be much less patient. That's the reality of this league, all right, So top of the hour, you know what we're doing over unders. There's also a story in women's basketball today which is fascinating. Remember what the live tour did the PGA. The PGA players felt like, we're not paid enough and that enabled the inefficiencies. With the PGA enabled to live tour, to go, guys, we'll pay a bigger purses and all the stars, most of the stars left the PGA. 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