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All Right, it is official. It is Draft Day that will be live from Green Bay. We are live in Los Angelus. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be in however you may be listening. Thanks for making that's part of your day. So this is you know, we all love this day. This is a really fun day for us, right j Max will start with the Warriors because for a couple of reasons, the Sherry series may have shifted last night app so we thought Houston would win. We said they couldn't play words. Take Houston yesterday on the show. Easy Winner, Easy Winner. Take the Rockets. They're gonna win. But it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the refs have decided throughout the playoffs and especially in this series, we're gonna let them play. Now, that's not a huge surprise. We talk about this on a regular basis. Reffs let them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however, to Houston because they really let them play last night. They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical, and once Jimmy Butler got hurt, well, the Warriors were a sub five hundred team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch of role players not gonna work. And it's not just Jimmy Butler's scoring or his playmaking. It's the reality is they can just go after Steph Curry. All you have to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him. They're nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The Warriors, we know this. They're not deep, I said for the series. If they're not gonna play Jonathan Kaminga, they're small and not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out, he's kind of the enforcer on that team. With Draymond Green, the difference is he'd take some of the scoring pressure off Curry. So right now the NBA officials are swallowing the wishle whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate in NBA playoff history. Now, if you're the Celtics or the Rockets or the Calves Oklahoma City and you're deep, that's okay. You can miss a star. Jason Tatum a great players out Celtics, don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler out of the thin small Warriors is a series changer. So and I again we said this before. Jimmy Butler. It's just Curry and role players. So we have to wait for the test results. But if they're saying Butler's out for the next two games, the series is over.

All Right, it is official. It is Draft Day that will be live from Green Bay. We are live in Los Angelus. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be in however you may be listening. Thanks for making that's part of your day. So this is you know, we all love this day. This is a really fun day for us, right j Max will start with the Warriors because for a couple of reasons, the Sherry series may have shifted last night app so we thought Houston would win. We said they couldn't play words. Take Houston yesterday on the show. Easy Winner, Easy Winner. Take the Rockets. They're gonna win. But it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the refs have decided throughout the playoffs and especially in this series, we're gonna let them play. Now, that's not a huge surprise. We talk about this on a regular basis. Reffs let them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however, to Houston because they really let them play last night. They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical, and once Jimmy Butler got hurt, well, the Warriors were a sub five hundred team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch of role players not gonna work. And it's not just Jimmy Butler's scoring or his playmaking. It's the reality is they can just go after Steph Curry. All you have to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him. They're nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The Warriors, we know this. They're not deep, I said for the series. If they're not gonna play Jonathan Kaminga, they're small and not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out, he's kind of the enforcer on that team. With Draymond Green, the difference is he'd take some of the scoring pressure off Curry. So right now the NBA officials are swallowing the wishle whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate in NBA playoff history. Now, if you're the Celtics or the Rockets or the Calves Oklahoma City and you're deep, that's okay. You can miss a star. Jason Tatum a great players out Celtics, don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler out of the thin small Warriors is a series changer. So and I again we said this before. Jimmy Butler. It's just Curry and role players. So we have to wait for the test results. But if they're saying Butler's out for the next two games, the series is over.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I full disclosure. I picked the Rockets anyway. I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by a men Thompson who has a reputation. He did this to Jannis, he did this to Tyler hero. His reputation precedes him. This is what he does. A very athletic, physical player. He was going after Butler. And by the way, Draymond gets guys worked up. But it's not like you know, when people used to criticize Draymond Green Draymond Green had a reputation and he still does before he gets into the arena. Aman Thompson is their physical, tough guy. He's the guy that's gonna make things. He's gonna play that line. I thought it was a little cheap. I would have no problem if he got suspended for a game in the series. However long Jimmy Butler's out year out, which is probably gonna be a game, but the NBA has decided we're gonna let everybody play, and so that means if Butler's not there, the Warriors have been reduced to Steph skirt. Steph Curry scores forty points or we lose. Now, Jalen Green's not gonna shoot like that on most nights. He is a hit and miss player. You can look at his last eight games. You don't know what you're getting with Jayalen Green. He had a great performance that could go down to nine points in his next outing. So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach. We're gonna get after him physically. They're not going to come into our house and go up two oh. So there was an absolute game planned by aman Thompson Jalen Green. It was be hyper aggressive. We have a deeper roster, and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics who played without Jason Tatum. You can't take Butler out of the Warriors and the series is over and here's Steve Kerr.

I full disclosure. I picked the Rockets anyway. I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by a men Thompson who has a reputation. He did this to Jannis, he did this to Tyler hero. His reputation precedes him. This is what he does. A very athletic, physical player. He was going after Butler. And by the way, Draymond gets guys worked up. But it's not like you know, when people used to criticize Draymond Green Draymond Green had a reputation and he still does before he gets into the arena. Aman Thompson is their physical, tough guy. He's the guy that's gonna make things. He's gonna play that line. I thought it was a little cheap. I would have no problem if he got suspended for a game in the series. However long Jimmy Butler's out year out, which is probably gonna be a game, but the NBA has decided we're gonna let everybody play, and so that means if Butler's not there, the Warriors have been reduced to Steph skirt. Steph Curry scores forty points or we lose. Now, Jalen Green's not gonna shoot like that on most nights. He is a hit and miss player. You can look at his last eight games. You don't know what you're getting with Jayalen Green. He had a great performance that could go down to nine points in his next outing. So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach. We're gonna get after him physically. They're not going to come into our house and go up two oh. So there was an absolute game planned by aman Thompson Jalen Green. It was be hyper aggressive. We have a deeper roster, and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics who played without Jason Tatum. You can't take Butler out of the Warriors and the series is over and here's Steve Kerr.

And you just respond and react with what you have to do in terms of, you know, making a sub and trying to think about new substitution patterns, who you want to pair together, all that kind of stuff. So obviously feel terrible for Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay, and.

And you just respond and react with what you have to do in terms of, you know, making a sub and trying to think about new substitution patterns, who you want to pair together, all that kind of stuff. So obviously feel terrible for Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay, and.

You know, it's funny. It's not like what amn Thompson did. I'm all worked up about. I mean, I I spent a lot of my years watching Kurt Rambis get tackled by the Pistons. If the seventies and eighties basketball was allowed today, you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I do think the NBA has always protected stars, just like the NFL change rules to protect stars. This to me is one where I would have no problem saying, as long as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all. Probably not gonna happen, But remember, leagues do this it's not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules you can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been a star driven league, even more than the NFL. So I think Butler maybe misses a game, but that's again, they're not gonna win because you just only have one outlet after staff and the Rockets have figured it out without Butler on the floor clutch and grab, Curry push, grab, and the refs are letting it go. So it's a really disadvantage for the Warriors the way the officials are letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising the Rockets. We're so ill equipped in Game one. Here's imay Aduka on the Rockets chippy play.

You know, it's funny. It's not like what amn Thompson did. I'm all worked up about. I mean, I I spent a lot of my years watching Kurt Rambis get tackled by the Pistons. If the seventies and eighties basketball was allowed today, you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I do think the NBA has always protected stars, just like the NFL change rules to protect stars. This to me is one where I would have no problem saying, as long as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all. Probably not gonna happen, But remember, leagues do this it's not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules you can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been a star driven league, even more than the NFL. So I think Butler maybe misses a game, but that's again, they're not gonna win because you just only have one outlet after staff and the Rockets have figured it out without Butler on the floor clutch and grab, Curry push, grab, and the refs are letting it go. So it's a really disadvantage for the Warriors the way the officials are letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising the Rockets. We're so ill equipped in Game one. Here's imay Aduka on the Rockets chippy play.

That's who we are, you know, that's our identity for the most part. So like I said, from you know, start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip the switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive. That's kind of what we built everything on, and so that carries over the playoffs.

That's who we are, you know, that's our identity for the most part. So like I said, from you know, start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip the switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive. That's kind of what we built everything on, and so that carries over the playoffs.

We understand that.

We understand that.

If they let us play both teams, it's in our favor for the most part. Golden State as well as physical you just have to play through it. You can't expect it on one end and cry about it on the other. And so if it gets chippy we've seen over the last two years, you know that works in our favor for the most part, gets us amped up. But when you have a lead up twenty and things start to happen, you understand why, and that's kind of the last resort.

If they let us play both teams, it's in our favor for the most part. Golden State as well as physical you just have to play through it. You can't expect it on one end and cry about it on the other. And so if it gets chippy we've seen over the last two years, you know that works in our favor for the most part, gets us amped up. But when you have a lead up twenty and things start to happen, you understand why, and that's kind of the last resort.

Okay, So the way the league is officiating the playoffs, they're letting even more go than I suspected. Big advantage Celtics, Calves, OKC in Houston, really deep athletic teams. Okay, So there's a story that Shanor Sanders is really slipping in the draft, could go twenty one to the Steelers. I will, by the way, in forty five minutes, fifty minutes, I will have my final mock draft. This is not what I would do. This is what I believe happens in the first round of the draft, first fifteen pick, So forty five minutes from now, my prediction on what I think the first fifteen picks will look like. So this is a very very weak draft. So if Schadur Sanders is falling in the draft, you know it's pretty obvious that Shadur Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also Team Act. The receiver out of Arizona I am told, is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But here's my thing about Shaudeur sliding to Pittsburgh. I would rather go to Pittsburgh at twenty one than Cleveland or the Giants with a second or third pick. I really would ownership stability, roster composition, and a patient franchise. The Steelers have dk Metcalf, They'll trade the other receiver. They have a very good tight end, Arthur Smith, more than capable at OC. It's a very good roster. I'd rather go there. Dan Marino fell in the draft to Hall of Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the Jets could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head coach earlier. Do you think he would have ended up having Dan Marino's career. Patrick Mahomes went tenth that year. If he would have gone second, he would have gone to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the Chicago Bears. You start looking at when Aaron Rodgers fell to Green Bay. You know where he could have gone Mike Tice Minnesota or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better? So? I think with the current NIL model, the fact that your dad's de On Sanders, you were making seven figures in college, play the long game, I would rather go down ten draft picks twelve draft picks to a better franchise. Dan Marino Aaron Rodgers are the two legendary drops in the first round. Yourself this Jordan Love. The Packers moved up for Jordan Love. That worked out pretty well for him, didn't it. If you could go to the Green Bay Packers or twenty three other teams in the NFL, who would you choose?

Okay, So the way the league is officiating the playoffs, they're letting even more go than I suspected. Big advantage Celtics, Calves, OKC in Houston, really deep athletic teams. Okay, So there's a story that Shanor Sanders is really slipping in the draft, could go twenty one to the Steelers. I will, by the way, in forty five minutes, fifty minutes, I will have my final mock draft. This is not what I would do. This is what I believe happens in the first round of the draft, first fifteen pick, So forty five minutes from now, my prediction on what I think the first fifteen picks will look like. So this is a very very weak draft. So if Schadur Sanders is falling in the draft, you know it's pretty obvious that Shadur Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also Team Act. The receiver out of Arizona I am told, is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But here's my thing about Shaudeur sliding to Pittsburgh. I would rather go to Pittsburgh at twenty one than Cleveland or the Giants with a second or third pick. I really would ownership stability, roster composition, and a patient franchise. The Steelers have dk Metcalf, They'll trade the other receiver. They have a very good tight end, Arthur Smith, more than capable at OC. It's a very good roster. I'd rather go there. Dan Marino fell in the draft to Hall of Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the Jets could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head coach earlier. Do you think he would have ended up having Dan Marino's career. Patrick Mahomes went tenth that year. If he would have gone second, he would have gone to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the Chicago Bears. You start looking at when Aaron Rodgers fell to Green Bay. You know where he could have gone Mike Tice Minnesota or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better? So? I think with the current NIL model, the fact that your dad's de On Sanders, you were making seven figures in college, play the long game, I would rather go down ten draft picks twelve draft picks to a better franchise. Dan Marino Aaron Rodgers are the two legendary drops in the first round. Yourself this Jordan Love. The Packers moved up for Jordan Love. That worked out pretty well for him, didn't it. If you could go to the Green Bay Packers or twenty three other teams in the NFL, who would you choose?

So?

So?

I think we talked about this where you land matters now. I have my issues with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, defensive coach, defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be around forever so and he'll get a TV job and a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids coming out with some money in the bank and your dad's Dean Sanders, I would have I would much rather go to a stable ownership group. All this short term money, it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks. I mean, at these top twenty football programs, everybody's getting money. Tight ends are getting money, right, tackles are getting money. Safeties are getting money in college football. So it's the advantage to that is not not only short term for the players being able to, you know, afford a nice car or something, but you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally tight in the knots if you drop. Because if he went to Cleveland or New York, Shador Sanders has to play immediately and he is the savior. He's not the savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving. It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving. Cleveland needs saving. The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we are today. Land Zerline was on yesterday, worked for NFL dot Com cover the NFL for twenty years, talked about just this quarterback class not very good compared to last year's.

I think we talked about this where you land matters now. I have my issues with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, defensive coach, defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be around forever so and he'll get a TV job and a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids coming out with some money in the bank and your dad's Dean Sanders, I would have I would much rather go to a stable ownership group. All this short term money, it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks. I mean, at these top twenty football programs, everybody's getting money. Tight ends are getting money, right, tackles are getting money. Safeties are getting money in college football. So it's the advantage to that is not not only short term for the players being able to, you know, afford a nice car or something, but you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally tight in the knots if you drop. Because if he went to Cleveland or New York, Shador Sanders has to play immediately and he is the savior. He's not the savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving. It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving. Cleveland needs saving. The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we are today. Land Zerline was on yesterday, worked for NFL dot Com cover the NFL for twenty years, talked about just this quarterback class not very good compared to last year's.

From a comparison, it's it's terrible. It's not even close to last year's Obviously, Schador's going to go into first this year. He would have gone maybe in the second round last year, maybe even in the third round, because teams don't like they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over the last ten years, thirty five first rounders and fourteen third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation. You're either a starter or you're a backup.

From a comparison, it's it's terrible. It's not even close to last year's Obviously, Schador's going to go into first this year. He would have gone maybe in the second round last year, maybe even in the third round, because teams don't like they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over the last ten years, thirty five first rounders and fourteen third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation. You're either a starter or you're a backup.

So the odds continued to suggest that Shadeur Sanders will slide down to twenty one and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers went to good coaches and stability, and now Shadur comes out. Dad's a legend. Nil money. So what I mean there are guys now in college staying in college for another year. We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I could get drafted in the sixth round. I can go to Miami and make ten million dollars. So I just I think the nil has changed it. It's so what you drop, what you don't want to do is go to a franchise that is a mess. And we all know about eight to ten of these franchises are a mess. All right, There's about eight greatly well run franchises, another six to seven who are mostly on a consistent basis solid. Then there's fifteen messes. J Mack, I'm gonna do in forty five minutes. My am a mock draft.

So the odds continued to suggest that Shadeur Sanders will slide down to twenty one and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers went to good coaches and stability, and now Shadur comes out. Dad's a legend. Nil money. So what I mean there are guys now in college staying in college for another year. We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I could get drafted in the sixth round. I can go to Miami and make ten million dollars. So I just I think the nil has changed it. It's so what you drop, what you don't want to do is go to a franchise that is a mess. And we all know about eight to ten of these franchises are a mess. All right, There's about eight greatly well run franchises, another six to seven who are mostly on a consistent basis solid. Then there's fifteen messes. J Mack, I'm gonna do in forty five minutes. My am a mock draft.

Colin Wait, wait, the Steelers are not a mess. A franchise that hasn't known offense for the last I don't know six.

Colin Wait, wait, the Steelers are not a mess. A franchise that hasn't known offense for the last I don't know six.

Years, that's not a mess.

Years, that's not a mess.

The most expensive defense or one of the most expensive defensive rosters in the league.

The most expensive defense or one of the most expensive defensive rosters in the league.

Yes, haven't won a playoff game in forever.

Yes, haven't won a playoff game in forever.

They need it. They're not a mess. No, they need adjustments. A mess has been the Titans a mess before. C J.

They need it. They're not a mess. No, they need adjustments. A mess has been the Titans a mess before. C J.

Stroud network playoff wins in the last five years in the Steelers.

Stroud network playoff wins in the last five years in the Steelers.

But the Steelers draft better, better roster composition, more stability and ownership, front office coaching. Yeah, I mean it's again, Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that. But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess. So that's the bar just getting well, No, you're not a mess. If you're getting to the playoffs now, now, I mean they win more. Think about this, They win more regularly than the Niners. Go look at even with Kyle Shanneth. The Niners good year bad, You're good year bad, You're good year bad year. The Rams win almost every year. The Steelers win almost every year. They do win every year in the regular season. So my take is the Steelers aren't a mess, They're just not again relative to the top teams in the league. They are still too defensive minded.

But the Steelers draft better, better roster composition, more stability and ownership, front office coaching. Yeah, I mean it's again, Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that. But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess. So that's the bar just getting well, No, you're not a mess. If you're getting to the playoffs now, now, I mean they win more. Think about this, They win more regularly than the Niners. Go look at even with Kyle Shanneth. The Niners good year bad, You're good year bad, You're good year bad year. The Rams win almost every year. The Steelers win almost every year. They do win every year in the regular season. So my take is the Steelers aren't a mess, They're just not again relative to the top teams in the league. They are still too defensive minded.

And I love this whole Scheduur narrative.

And I love this whole Scheduur narrative.

Let's just remember everybody, the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks. Let's just get that out there first and foremost. Okay, Trey Lance going second, Zach Wilson's second, Patrick Mahon's sliding behind Mitch Trubisky.

Let's just remember everybody, the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks. Let's just get that out there first and foremost. Okay, Trey Lance going second, Zach Wilson's second, Patrick Mahon's sliding behind Mitch Trubisky.

The league doesn't know what they're doing with the quarterbacks. Maybe good he could be Drew Brees. I think accurate as hell.

The league doesn't know what they're doing with the quarterbacks. Maybe good he could be Drew Brees. I think accurate as hell.

Yeah, No, I think Shador is going to be a nice NFL quarterback. I do good B plus quarterback in the league, I do. I think he's more talented. I think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think he's more talented than brock Perty. I think he's more talented than JJ McCarthy, who everybody loved last year. I think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid. I don't think he's a star, and I don't think he's an a prospect.

Yeah, No, I think Shador is going to be a nice NFL quarterback. I do good B plus quarterback in the league, I do. I think he's more talented. I think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think he's more talented than brock Perty. I think he's more talented than JJ McCarthy, who everybody loved last year. I think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid. I don't think he's a star, and I don't think he's an a prospect.

He's got some growing up to do. But is Kyler Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He hasn't want anything. I don't know if Kyler Murray's.

He's got some growing up to do. But is Kyler Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He hasn't want anything. I don't know if Kyler Murray's.

A good I think if you ask most GMS today Kyler Murray, all things considered, including his contractor Shauduur, you'd take Shaduur. Yeah, yeah, because you know, I mean that's part of it.

A good I think if you ask most GMS today Kyler Murray, all things considered, including his contractor Shauduur, you'd take Shaduur. Yeah, yeah, because you know, I mean that's part of it.

So again, how about this, Can Shadeur be a top fifteen quarterbacks?

So again, how about this, Can Shadeur be a top fifteen quarterbacks?

Yes, with the right landing spot, yes, I believe. So top ten probably not.

Yes, with the right landing spot, yes, I believe. So top ten probably not.

There were moments where Kirk Cousins was a top ten quarterback in the league, fringe top ten, but top ten.

There were moments where Kirk Cousins was a top ten quarterback in the league, fringe top ten, but top ten.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dak Prescott mid round quarterback was a.

Dak Prescott mid round quarterback was a.

Yeah again when he had the right components to the roster. Yes, I think if Sugar goes to the right play, I mean, the Steelers star receiver, really good tight end they lost their left tackle, a Najie Harris, but it's a great running back draft, so they're drafting another running back.

Yeah again when he had the right components to the roster. Yes, I think if Sugar goes to the right play, I mean, the Steelers star receiver, really good tight end they lost their left tackle, a Najie Harris, but it's a great running back draft, so they're drafting another running back.

Which star receiver were talking about, the one who unfollowed the Steelers on Instagram this week?

Which star receiver were talking about, the one who unfollowed the Steelers on Instagram this week?

Oh Pickens, it never stops.

Oh Pickens, it never stops.

All right, we got a lot of stuff coming up Joel Clatt today as well live in La It's the Hurt.

All right, we got a lot of stuff coming up Joel Clatt today as well live in La It's the Hurt.

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All right, here we go, Joel Klatten, my mock draft. It is our number two. It is great to have you in. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I don't think the NBA is going to suspend Iman Thompson. I don't, but I'm saying based on his resume, the violence of that move. Jimmy Butler's a star. Do you think Do I think they'll have a meeting today and talk about it. Yeah, you know, it is what it is. All I know is the NBA is letting guys play, and it is a huge edge to the deep Celtic to the Deep Thunder, the Deep Rockets, the Deep Caves like Golden State without Jimmy Butler may not win another game in this series.

All right, here we go, Joel Klatten, my mock draft. It is our number two. It is great to have you in. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I don't think the NBA is going to suspend Iman Thompson. I don't, but I'm saying based on his resume, the violence of that move. Jimmy Butler's a star. Do you think Do I think they'll have a meeting today and talk about it. Yeah, you know, it is what it is. All I know is the NBA is letting guys play, and it is a huge edge to the deep Celtic to the Deep Thunder, the Deep Rockets, the Deep Caves like Golden State without Jimmy Butler may not win another game in this series.

Well they're not. Come on, they're not gonna get dusted without Butler.

Well they're not. Come on, they're not gonna get dusted without Butler.

They were sub five hundred without.

They were sub five hundred without.

Semski was sick and he could He was like, ohver five couldn't do anything.

Semski was sick and he could He was like, ohver five couldn't do anything.

They'll still be fine.

They'll still be fine.

I don't know that they'll win the series, but yeah, I would take Rockets in seven if Butler misses a game.

I don't know that they'll win the series, but yeah, I would take Rockets in seven if Butler misses a game.

By the way, I'm not anti Rockets. I took the Rockets to win the series. I'm just saying the men Thompson's resume, his history, he has been you know, he grew up legendary stories in Houston. You know, he and his dad, his brother, they'd play all day and they were feisty in fight, and there's all these stories about a men's history. He's a tough kid. I love having guys like that. But Draymond Green was always judged more harshly, and I think fairly based on his career. Resume.

By the way, I'm not anti Rockets. I took the Rockets to win the series. I'm just saying the men Thompson's resume, his history, he has been you know, he grew up legendary stories in Houston. You know, he and his dad, his brother, they'd play all day and they were feisty in fight, and there's all these stories about a men's history. He's a tough kid. I love having guys like that. But Draymond Green was always judged more harshly, and I think fairly based on his career. Resume.

To your point, what if the league says, hey, you see that Warriors Lakers matchup, Boy, we love that. Let's sit on men Thompson for a game, so we can get Curry Lebron next round. Because you know, the executives are dancing in the streets over these ratings so far.

To your point, what if the league says, hey, you see that Warriors Lakers matchup, Boy, we love that. Let's sit on men Thompson for a game, so we can get Curry Lebron next round. Because you know, the executives are dancing in the streets over these ratings so far.

Wait until they get Lebron Curry in the next round.

Wait until they get Lebron Curry in the next round.

Yeah right, he's have been good. Okay, now I did it. I do two mock drafts. The first one is what I would do, which is just for fun. You can hold me accountable. The second one is this is what I think is going to happen. So I was on the phone last night, yesterday afternoon, in this morning, there was a lot of Bears rumors, but the reality is about Ashton genty. But again, to make a trade work, a lot of teams want things. I'm told the Jacks want to go get Travis Hunter. Well what do we get, right? Like, what do we get for it? So there's a lot of conversations, there's a lot of calls. Very rarely do you get moves in your top ten picks, but there's a lot of calls in it. So here is what I'm hearing. Here is what I believe will happen. Number one cam Ward This is easy one good fit with Brian Callahan's offense, and more than anything, he is a major talent upgrade over who the Titans played at quarterback last year. Last year, Tennessee's quarterbacks combined for twenty two touchdowns and twenty one picks. This is a no brainer. Number two, most talented athlete in the draft. I think a historically gifted athlete, Travis Hunter, goes to Cleveland. They are getting calls on Travis Hunter, and not just one they're going to I believe keep him. He's a very unique maybe not a show Heyo Tony, maybe he is, but just not a lot of guys ever like this. So he goes number two. I think the New York Giants are gonna go get Abdul Carter. It is a starless draft, and he is one of the four or five stars in the draft. Listen, They've already got a very good defensive line, but what a lot of teams do. Best player available, and there's no question at this point he's the best player available. Patriots go offensive tackle Will Campbell LSU. Reality is they have the worst hole line in the league. They can get running backs, tight ends and wide receivers elsewhere, there's only four or five oh tackles that people really really like. Maybe fewer than that Will Campbell. You got Drake May, now you got to protect him. Number five, the Jaguars go for one of the cleaner players in the draft, Mason Graham. They could not stop the run last year. And by the way, they've got tray Von Walker and josh Heinz Allen, so he's a nice combo in there, and their defensive line will be set for years. So I think Mason Graham's a play that I love Mason Graham, and a lot of it is I watch so much Michigan football and Big ten football. Every game I watched, he won the battle against any offensive linemany face. Number six the Raiders. I believe they're going to get Ashton gent Listen. They need a receiver and they need a running back. And Pete Carroll is old school. He likes to create a run game. He had his most success with Marshawn Lynch and the Pros and Reggie Bush and Lendale White in college. They need him. I think this is a really unique running back first round. Town. Number seven, the Jets go for Tyler Warren. Listen, I know they have a defensive coach. They don't have enough weapons, so Garrett Wilson needs some protection. I saw Warren play at USC and catch seventeen balls. He's not brock Bowers, but he's got so much dexterity and so much versatility. I don't think the Jets can pass on him. They're just not a very Jets get no tight end production. He solves it for the next five years. Number six the Panthers Jaylon Walker. I mean again, it's another Georgia pass rusher. He was like a five star recruit. High pipe pipe, pipe pipe. Sometimes he lives up to it, sometimes he does not. But again, in a super starless draft, he's a good pass rusher from Georgia. They generally work out. Okay. Nine the Saints, they could use offensive line help. I think they go with mikel Williams from Georgia. Again, they didn't have a good defense last year. They got to rebuild their offensive line. But this feels like best player available. And again, these Georgia guys, it doesn't matter if they underachieve a little or they got some character stuff. They come into the NFL. They can play, and so that's where I think he goes. Number ten the Bears. They would love a star running back. I think the Bears are gonna get will Johnson the corner. Listen, they got Jalen Johnson on one side. This is a team that's spent a ton of money on offense over the last two years. They need to get cheap on defense. I think he's a very good corner. They have to upgrade their secondary. And remember they spent money. They're spending money right now in their own line, in their D line. They're spending money in the trenches. They got wide receivers. You can get a running back later. Go get the best corner. He didn't run a four to three. He's an excellent corner in a division with smart offensive coaches. Number eleven niners, I think they get Kelvin Banks left tackle. Trent Williams is thirty seven. They lost two offensive linemen a free agency. Aaron Banks obviously went to Green Bay and Jalen Moore went left tackle backup actually went to the Chiefs. So listen, if you're gonna spend money on Brock Purdy, who's had a couple of injuries already, you gotta protect him. I think this, in my opinion, is the best offensive lineman in the draft. Number twelve Cowboys, Omaro Hampton. Listen, folks, they don't have enough offensive firepower. Jerry likes stars. He wanted to draft Johnny Manzel at one point and they talked him out of it. This kid is Joe Mixon with a better burst. Why not. I mean again, if you're gonna spend money on Dak Prescott, you gotta get him weapons, and you got one right now in Ceedee Lamb. I think they go big. It's exciting, it's explosive, and Jerry'll loved the attention. I think number thirteen we have our first trade up. I think the Rams trade up with Miami. Miami moves back. The Rams trade up and get Colston lovelin the tight end. They tried to move up last year for brock Bowers. It was too rich. So they're just not getting enough tight end production. So the feeling with the Rams is they've got DeVante Adams and Puka. They've got Kyron Williams the running back. The old line is settled. Let's go get a star tight end for Matt Stafford this year and next his last couple of years with the Rams. They move up, Dolphins move back number fourteenth pick the Colts will take, in their eyes, the best player available. Armand Membo from Missouri guys a monster. The reality is outside of Quentin Nelson, nobody else played seventeen games on the old line for the Colts. Chris Ballard will be patient, He'll let the best player fall to him. And then number fifteen the Falcons take Jahadka. Now, the Falcons the last four draft, they've gone offense in the first round. That's why their defense is not very good. So Michael Pennix is fine. The O line's fine, they got Kyle Pitts, they got Drake London, Bijon Robbinson. Their offense is fine. They need to be faster and more athletic on defense. And Campbell. Campbell's an underrated player. Most BAMMA players are not underrated guys an unbelievable freak athlete, best linebacker in the draft. Probably. So this is what I think will happen. Okay, this isn't what I would do. This is what I believe will happen. I do think the Rams will move up. I think they'll wait as long as they can. But I think the Colts would take Colston Loveland if he was available, and the Rams know that, so they're going to jump the Colts at the last second to get a tight end, who, by the way, everybody loves. If he was available, I can tell you the Broncos would look at him, the Chargers would look at him, and the Rams would take him. So I do think in the Rams don't have a lot of need. They need at some point an offensive tackle, a corner, a tight end, and maybe an inside linebacker.

Yeah right, he's have been good. Okay, now I did it. I do two mock drafts. The first one is what I would do, which is just for fun. You can hold me accountable. The second one is this is what I think is going to happen. So I was on the phone last night, yesterday afternoon, in this morning, there was a lot of Bears rumors, but the reality is about Ashton genty. But again, to make a trade work, a lot of teams want things. I'm told the Jacks want to go get Travis Hunter. Well what do we get, right? Like, what do we get for it? So there's a lot of conversations, there's a lot of calls. Very rarely do you get moves in your top ten picks, but there's a lot of calls in it. So here is what I'm hearing. Here is what I believe will happen. Number one cam Ward This is easy one good fit with Brian Callahan's offense, and more than anything, he is a major talent upgrade over who the Titans played at quarterback last year. Last year, Tennessee's quarterbacks combined for twenty two touchdowns and twenty one picks. This is a no brainer. Number two, most talented athlete in the draft. I think a historically gifted athlete, Travis Hunter, goes to Cleveland. They are getting calls on Travis Hunter, and not just one they're going to I believe keep him. He's a very unique maybe not a show Heyo Tony, maybe he is, but just not a lot of guys ever like this. So he goes number two. I think the New York Giants are gonna go get Abdul Carter. It is a starless draft, and he is one of the four or five stars in the draft. Listen, They've already got a very good defensive line, but what a lot of teams do. Best player available, and there's no question at this point he's the best player available. Patriots go offensive tackle Will Campbell LSU. Reality is they have the worst hole line in the league. They can get running backs, tight ends and wide receivers elsewhere, there's only four or five oh tackles that people really really like. Maybe fewer than that Will Campbell. You got Drake May, now you got to protect him. Number five, the Jaguars go for one of the cleaner players in the draft, Mason Graham. They could not stop the run last year. And by the way, they've got tray Von Walker and josh Heinz Allen, so he's a nice combo in there, and their defensive line will be set for years. So I think Mason Graham's a play that I love Mason Graham, and a lot of it is I watch so much Michigan football and Big ten football. Every game I watched, he won the battle against any offensive linemany face. Number six the Raiders. I believe they're going to get Ashton gent Listen. They need a receiver and they need a running back. And Pete Carroll is old school. He likes to create a run game. He had his most success with Marshawn Lynch and the Pros and Reggie Bush and Lendale White in college. They need him. I think this is a really unique running back first round. Town. Number seven, the Jets go for Tyler Warren. Listen, I know they have a defensive coach. They don't have enough weapons, so Garrett Wilson needs some protection. I saw Warren play at USC and catch seventeen balls. He's not brock Bowers, but he's got so much dexterity and so much versatility. I don't think the Jets can pass on him. They're just not a very Jets get no tight end production. He solves it for the next five years. Number six the Panthers Jaylon Walker. I mean again, it's another Georgia pass rusher. He was like a five star recruit. High pipe pipe, pipe pipe. Sometimes he lives up to it, sometimes he does not. But again, in a super starless draft, he's a good pass rusher from Georgia. They generally work out. Okay. Nine the Saints, they could use offensive line help. I think they go with mikel Williams from Georgia. Again, they didn't have a good defense last year. They got to rebuild their offensive line. But this feels like best player available. And again, these Georgia guys, it doesn't matter if they underachieve a little or they got some character stuff. They come into the NFL. They can play, and so that's where I think he goes. Number ten the Bears. They would love a star running back. I think the Bears are gonna get will Johnson the corner. Listen, they got Jalen Johnson on one side. This is a team that's spent a ton of money on offense over the last two years. They need to get cheap on defense. I think he's a very good corner. They have to upgrade their secondary. And remember they spent money. They're spending money right now in their own line, in their D line. They're spending money in the trenches. They got wide receivers. You can get a running back later. Go get the best corner. He didn't run a four to three. He's an excellent corner in a division with smart offensive coaches. Number eleven niners, I think they get Kelvin Banks left tackle. Trent Williams is thirty seven. They lost two offensive linemen a free agency. Aaron Banks obviously went to Green Bay and Jalen Moore went left tackle backup actually went to the Chiefs. So listen, if you're gonna spend money on Brock Purdy, who's had a couple of injuries already, you gotta protect him. I think this, in my opinion, is the best offensive lineman in the draft. Number twelve Cowboys, Omaro Hampton. Listen, folks, they don't have enough offensive firepower. Jerry likes stars. He wanted to draft Johnny Manzel at one point and they talked him out of it. This kid is Joe Mixon with a better burst. Why not. I mean again, if you're gonna spend money on Dak Prescott, you gotta get him weapons, and you got one right now in Ceedee Lamb. I think they go big. It's exciting, it's explosive, and Jerry'll loved the attention. I think number thirteen we have our first trade up. I think the Rams trade up with Miami. Miami moves back. The Rams trade up and get Colston lovelin the tight end. They tried to move up last year for brock Bowers. It was too rich. So they're just not getting enough tight end production. So the feeling with the Rams is they've got DeVante Adams and Puka. They've got Kyron Williams the running back. The old line is settled. Let's go get a star tight end for Matt Stafford this year and next his last couple of years with the Rams. They move up, Dolphins move back number fourteenth pick the Colts will take, in their eyes, the best player available. Armand Membo from Missouri guys a monster. The reality is outside of Quentin Nelson, nobody else played seventeen games on the old line for the Colts. Chris Ballard will be patient, He'll let the best player fall to him. And then number fifteen the Falcons take Jahadka. Now, the Falcons the last four draft, they've gone offense in the first round. That's why their defense is not very good. So Michael Pennix is fine. The O line's fine, they got Kyle Pitts, they got Drake London, Bijon Robbinson. Their offense is fine. They need to be faster and more athletic on defense. And Campbell. Campbell's an underrated player. Most BAMMA players are not underrated guys an unbelievable freak athlete, best linebacker in the draft. Probably. So this is what I think will happen. Okay, this isn't what I would do. This is what I believe will happen. I do think the Rams will move up. I think they'll wait as long as they can. But I think the Colts would take Colston Loveland if he was available, and the Rams know that, so they're going to jump the Colts at the last second to get a tight end, who, by the way, everybody loves. If he was available, I can tell you the Broncos would look at him, the Chargers would look at him, and the Rams would take him. So I do think in the Rams don't have a lot of need. They need at some point an offensive tackle, a corner, a tight end, and maybe an inside linebacker.

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All right, Joel Klapp is in Green Bay. How exciting, How fun nicest people in the world are in Buffalo and Green, nicest people you'll ever meet her there. Okay, so you know everybody's saying it's not a good enough draft to move up, But I tend to believe that these offensive coaches, when they see a unique piece like a Colston Loveland, they're like, oh, that worked.

All right, Joel Klapp is in Green Bay. How exciting, How fun nicest people in the world are in Buffalo and Green, nicest people you'll ever meet her there. Okay, so you know everybody's saying it's not a good enough draft to move up, But I tend to believe that these offensive coaches, when they see a unique piece like a Colston Loveland, they're like, oh, that worked.

Now.

Now.

A defensive coach, maybe not, but you did a ton of Colston Loveland games.

A defensive coach, maybe not, but you did a ton of Colston Loveland games.

What did you see.

What did you see.

I love Colston Loveland. I have him as my top tight end in the draft. And the reason here's the reason. I really like Tyler Warren as well. But they're different types of players. You know, Warren exploit space that is created through scheme, and he does it incredibly well. He's a creative player. But Loveland creates his own space and that's difficult to do. And by the way, he produced with subpar quarterback play this last year before getting hurt at Michigan. You know, you look at the way that he runs routes from split out from in line, all over the place, and he wins. And by the way, there's there's this miss that Tyler Warren is somehow way bigger than Colston Loveland. They're basically the exact same size. I think Loveland might be like five pounds lighter, but they're the same height. I love Loveland's ability to get open and to me at the next level, in particular in the red zone and on third down from a tight end perspective, can you create your own space and win?

I love Colston Loveland. I have him as my top tight end in the draft. And the reason here's the reason. I really like Tyler Warren as well. But they're different types of players. You know, Warren exploit space that is created through scheme, and he does it incredibly well. He's a creative player. But Loveland creates his own space and that's difficult to do. And by the way, he produced with subpar quarterback play this last year before getting hurt at Michigan. You know, you look at the way that he runs routes from split out from in line, all over the place, and he wins. And by the way, there's there's this miss that Tyler Warren is somehow way bigger than Colston Loveland. They're basically the exact same size. I think Loveland might be like five pounds lighter, but they're the same height. I love Loveland's ability to get open and to me at the next level, in particular in the red zone and on third down from a tight end perspective, can you create your own space and win?

And Loveland can do that.

And Loveland can do that.

Okay, So there's another player that you saw a ton of in the Big Tenemika Buka, the wide receiver. He's not a burner, but I went to dinner with an offensive coordinator this past weekend. They're not going to draft him because of need. They loved him, he said, total pro starts day one. So again, this is a guy that when you looked at a lot of mock drafts, he was top of the second round. I'm sorry, but I have yet to talk to any source who didn't love him. Character, toughness, You did a ton of Buckeye games.

Okay, So there's another player that you saw a ton of in the Big Tenemika Buka, the wide receiver. He's not a burner, but I went to dinner with an offensive coordinator this past weekend. They're not going to draft him because of need. They loved him, he said, total pro starts day one. So again, this is a guy that when you looked at a lot of mock drafts, he was top of the second round. I'm sorry, but I have yet to talk to any source who didn't love him. Character, toughness, You did a ton of Buckeye games.

What is he?

What is he?

What do you see?

What do you see?

He's my favorite player in the draft because of all the things that you just talked about. He's one of the greatest young men that I've covered just as a person, but he's also incredibly polished as a wide receiver. And this is what you also have to realize is that you've got to project from college systems into the NFL. And what position group in college football has been more dynamic and more can't miss than Ohio State wide receivers in the last five or six years. Colin, it's the best position group in college football in terms of projecting to the National Football League. And a Mecca a Buka is a great player. He can play in the slot. He's explosive, he runs clean routes. He is a great locker room guy. He catches everything. And here's one of the things and something that I'll share it tonight when we get on the air. This will just tell you everything about his character and what they believe in at Ohio State in that position room with Brian Hartline as their coach, Jeremiah Smith was going to come in as a true freshman and a Mecca Abuka stayed back and he wanted to play an extra year, not just for himself and to win a championship and so on and so forth, but he wanted to make sure that Jeremiah Smith had a connection to the lineage of the brotherhood of all the guys that are going to the National Football League so that you can say that, yeah, it starts, you know, all the way back Terry McLaurin and Paris Campbell and then Chris o'lave and then Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jigba and then Marvin Harrison and a Mecca Buca and Jeremiah Smith. He understood the links in that chain and wanted to stay back and mentor Jeremiah Smith, who might be better than all of them here in a couple of years. And that's one of the reasons he stayed back in Columbus.

He's my favorite player in the draft because of all the things that you just talked about. He's one of the greatest young men that I've covered just as a person, but he's also incredibly polished as a wide receiver. And this is what you also have to realize is that you've got to project from college systems into the NFL. And what position group in college football has been more dynamic and more can't miss than Ohio State wide receivers in the last five or six years. Colin, it's the best position group in college football in terms of projecting to the National Football League. And a Mecca a Buka is a great player. He can play in the slot. He's explosive, he runs clean routes. He is a great locker room guy. He catches everything. And here's one of the things and something that I'll share it tonight when we get on the air. This will just tell you everything about his character and what they believe in at Ohio State in that position room with Brian Hartline as their coach, Jeremiah Smith was going to come in as a true freshman and a Mecca Abuka stayed back and he wanted to play an extra year, not just for himself and to win a championship and so on and so forth, but he wanted to make sure that Jeremiah Smith had a connection to the lineage of the brotherhood of all the guys that are going to the National Football League so that you can say that, yeah, it starts, you know, all the way back Terry McLaurin and Paris Campbell and then Chris o'lave and then Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jigba and then Marvin Harrison and a Mecca Buca and Jeremiah Smith. He understood the links in that chain and wanted to stay back and mentor Jeremiah Smith, who might be better than all of them here in a couple of years. And that's one of the reasons he stayed back in Columbus.

So you know, I've said this before. Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers famously dropped in the draft and they got Green Bay and Don Shula with nil money. Now it doesn't bother me at all. If I if I had a son and you told me Cleveland the Giants are the Steelers, I'd say, drop in the draft and go to Pittsburgh. I don't love what they're doing, but they're really well run. They draft and developed players. So if Shador is dropping, he's not going to be a savior in Pittsburgh. They're just looking for a starting quarterback. The Giants in Cleveland are looking for somebody to get him out of messes. What do you make of the reports that he's dropping.

So you know, I've said this before. Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers famously dropped in the draft and they got Green Bay and Don Shula with nil money. Now it doesn't bother me at all. If I if I had a son and you told me Cleveland the Giants are the Steelers, I'd say, drop in the draft and go to Pittsburgh. I don't love what they're doing, but they're really well run. They draft and developed players. So if Shador is dropping, he's not going to be a savior in Pittsburgh. They're just looking for a starting quarterback. The Giants in Cleveland are looking for somebody to get him out of messes. What do you make of the reports that he's dropping.

They're true.

They're true.

First of all, I think it's fifty to fifty that Pittsburgh takes him. I know that their visit went really well. And there's also this this I won't call it an issue, but there's this point that no one is making. Everyone's just talking about from the NFL perspective and the decision maker's perspective. And I will say this, Remember, Chador has only played for his dad his whole life. Yeah, Colin, I think sometimes we forget that, like Little League Gone, the only head coach he's known is coach Prime. And so I think that there is some thought in the Sanders camp that it's not only about the organizational fit but the head coaching fit. And I know that they would love to play for Mike Tomlin. So you know, however that happens, I think that that's probably the place that Shudor would like to end up for all of the reasons you were talking about.

First of all, I think it's fifty to fifty that Pittsburgh takes him. I know that their visit went really well. And there's also this this I won't call it an issue, but there's this point that no one is making. Everyone's just talking about from the NFL perspective and the decision maker's perspective. And I will say this, Remember, Chador has only played for his dad his whole life. Yeah, Colin, I think sometimes we forget that, like Little League Gone, the only head coach he's known is coach Prime. And so I think that there is some thought in the Sanders camp that it's not only about the organizational fit but the head coaching fit. And I know that they would love to play for Mike Tomlin. So you know, however that happens, I think that that's probably the place that Shudor would like to end up for all of the reasons you were talking about.

And this idea of the alpha.

And this idea of the alpha.

Head coach who's who's hyper confident and very successful, runs a clean program, I think that that's attractive for the Sanders camp as well, and that's something that not a lot of people have talked about.

Head coach who's who's hyper confident and very successful, runs a clean program, I think that that's attractive for the Sanders camp as well, and that's something that not a lot of people have talked about.

So I had a general manager tell me it's a starless draft, and Abdull Carter's a star. Somebody's going to take him high. You did Micah Parsons games at Penn State, you did Abdul Carter games. Is he in that class? Is he as good as Micah?

So I had a general manager tell me it's a starless draft, and Abdull Carter's a star. Somebody's going to take him high. You did Micah Parsons games at Penn State, you did Abdul Carter games. Is he in that class? Is he as good as Micah?

I think he can be because think about it, Micah. You know, Micah's dynamic, and he's creative, and he can play everywhere. I think as an off the ball linebacker, you can make an argument Micah is the better player.

I think he can be because think about it, Micah. You know, Micah's dynamic, and he's creative, and he can play everywhere. I think as an off the ball linebacker, you can make an argument Micah is the better player.

But I think as a pure edge rusher, I think Abduall Carter is better.

But I think as a pure edge rusher, I think Abduall Carter is better.

I think he's a touch longer and a little bit more explosive in terms of his get off and pass rushing acumen. So as creative as Dallas can be, with Michaeh. Parsons as good as he is, there's this in my mind. I think that as a pass rusher and a disruptive force behind the line of scrimmage, that Abduall Carter could maybe even be better than what Micah has been in the National Football League. And listen, that's high praise. Obviously, because I hold micah and as maybe the best defender in the sport right now. But Abduall Carter has that ability, and I would just remind people he's only played edge rusher for one season. Last year was the first time that he moved down and played edge kind of full time and then moved him around a little bit. But you looked at him getting better and better and better all year, and then with one arm against Notre Dame in that CFP game, he had seven pressures and was a game wrecker against Notre Dame. You know, to me, like, this guy's a no brainer. I think that he makes your team better and I would be shocked if New York doesn't select him at three.

I think he's a touch longer and a little bit more explosive in terms of his get off and pass rushing acumen. So as creative as Dallas can be, with Michaeh. Parsons as good as he is, there's this in my mind. I think that as a pass rusher and a disruptive force behind the line of scrimmage, that Abduall Carter could maybe even be better than what Micah has been in the National Football League. And listen, that's high praise. Obviously, because I hold micah and as maybe the best defender in the sport right now. But Abduall Carter has that ability, and I would just remind people he's only played edge rusher for one season. Last year was the first time that he moved down and played edge kind of full time and then moved him around a little bit. But you looked at him getting better and better and better all year, and then with one arm against Notre Dame in that CFP game, he had seven pressures and was a game wrecker against Notre Dame. You know, to me, like, this guy's a no brainer. I think that he makes your team better and I would be shocked if New York doesn't select him at three.

So I was saying earlier, it's Georgia players, even if they have character issues, even if they've underachieved a little, the bottom line is they get to the pros and they deliver. Ohio State's got some of that where Ohio State guys practice against Ohio State guys, and you know, if you draft a corner from Ohio State, he is he has been covering in practice for three years. First round receivers, So I do look at these Georgia players some of which have underachieved a little. Do you think teams think about that and go, you know, he's a Buckeye, he competes against world classes. I look at Ohio State and Georgia players. I did this with Saban and Bama. I'd be like, well, if Nick trusts him, you know, it's I mean, do you do you think tea think about that? But like a Georgia Ohio State, I think that.

So I was saying earlier, it's Georgia players, even if they have character issues, even if they've underachieved a little, the bottom line is they get to the pros and they deliver. Ohio State's got some of that where Ohio State guys practice against Ohio State guys, and you know, if you draft a corner from Ohio State, he is he has been covering in practice for three years. First round receivers, So I do look at these Georgia players some of which have underachieved a little. Do you think teams think about that and go, you know, he's a Buckeye, he competes against world classes. I look at Ohio State and Georgia players. I did this with Saban and Bama. I'd be like, well, if Nick trusts him, you know, it's I mean, do you do you think tea think about that? But like a Georgia Ohio State, I think that.

Teams are seeing some of these players and gosh, I'm blanking names off the top of my head, but you're seeing some players right now in the league, you know, go double digit sacks every single year that didn't have much production in their college career. And so when you look at defensive linemen and particular edge rushers in this draft, you've got a lot of guys that you can put into two camps traits measurables, you know, potential or production at the college level. So you've got the Mike Green's or the Donovan Ezerakus who had seventeen sixteen and a half last year, led the country, led the power forward, and you've got that camp, or you've got the Shamar Stewarts and some of these other guys that may be underperformed on the stat sheet, but have the traits that would suggest that they can come in and be explosive in the National Football League. I think that the trend is towards traits because you're seeing players who's the guy Gosh, he was selected number one zero overall.

Teams are seeing some of these players and gosh, I'm blanking names off the top of my head, but you're seeing some players right now in the league, you know, go double digit sacks every single year that didn't have much production in their college career. And so when you look at defensive linemen and particular edge rushers in this draft, you've got a lot of guys that you can put into two camps traits measurables, you know, potential or production at the college level. So you've got the Mike Green's or the Donovan Ezerakus who had seventeen sixteen and a half last year, led the country, led the power forward, and you've got that camp, or you've got the Shamar Stewarts and some of these other guys that may be underperformed on the stat sheet, but have the traits that would suggest that they can come in and be explosive in the National Football League. I think that the trend is towards traits because you're seeing players who's the guy Gosh, he was selected number one zero overall.

Tray Von Walker, right, yeah, for JAXI. Yeah, and he did not have much.

Tray Von Walker, right, yeah, for JAXI. Yeah, and he did not have much.

He didn't start even much at Georgia, and now he's becoming a guy that has I think ten and a half sacks last year. Yeah. I'm hearing a lot of that out of NFL decision makers. But one thing that I would just throw in there. I know it's not specific to this question, Colin, but I think it's an interesting overarching theme that now we're going to have to deal with when we're talking about the transactional nature of college football. I'm hearing more and more and more of the question marks from these gms and coaches around the league of does this guy love football? And it just strikes me that as college football becomes more transactional around transfer, portal and nil, we're teaching kids that the biggest issue or thing that they should.

He didn't start even much at Georgia, and now he's becoming a guy that has I think ten and a half sacks last year. Yeah. I'm hearing a lot of that out of NFL decision makers. But one thing that I would just throw in there. I know it's not specific to this question, Colin, but I think it's an interesting overarching theme that now we're going to have to deal with when we're talking about the transactional nature of college football. I'm hearing more and more and more of the question marks from these gms and coaches around the league of does this guy love football? And it just strikes me that as college football becomes more transactional around transfer, portal and nil, we're teaching kids that the biggest issue or thing that they should.

Be concerned about is their brand and how much money they're making.

Be concerned about is their brand and how much money they're making.

So then a lot of them make a lot of money in college football, and then they sit in these meetia the draft process with these assistant coaches that they make ten times.

So then a lot of them make a lot of money in college football, and then they sit in these meetia the draft process with these assistant coaches that they make ten times.

More money then and they're like, I don't like who are you?

More money then and they're like, I don't like who are you?

And so there's been more of that going on this year of hey, this was a bad meeting this or that, and it's like, hey, there's a lot of bitter assistant coaches in the National Football League that have not made a ton of money and they have not moved up the ladder. And then these kids walk in and they don't kiss their butts, and so then they run around to the next guy that'll write an article for him and they start talking about how this.

And so there's been more of that going on this year of hey, this was a bad meeting this or that, and it's like, hey, there's a lot of bitter assistant coaches in the National Football League that have not made a ton of money and they have not moved up the ladder. And then these kids walk in and they don't kiss their butts, and so then they run around to the next guy that'll write an article for him and they start talking about how this.

Kid's interviews were terrible. There's a lot of that going on.

Kid's interviews were terrible. There's a lot of that going on.

It's a different nature of the draft process, I think this year than any other year that I've covered.

It's a different nature of the draft process, I think this year than any other year that I've covered.

Okay, finally, I watched cam Ward at Washington State. I thought he was really talented. I didn't think first overall picking the draft. I watched them at Miami. I thought, oh, he's really talented. I don't really think he's the number one pick in the draft. And now he is. So is this a matter of he plays the position and the team drafting really needs him? When you watch them in college, when did you ever think, wow, he could be a number one pick. I thought that with Caleb four games into USC. I thought it with Jayden Daniels at LSU. I'm like, this kid put on weight from ASU. That kid's all baller. I never looked at cam as a number one pick? Is this just position and need? Did you did you see him in college as a dominant player?

Okay, finally, I watched cam Ward at Washington State. I thought he was really talented. I didn't think first overall picking the draft. I watched them at Miami. I thought, oh, he's really talented. I don't really think he's the number one pick in the draft. And now he is. So is this a matter of he plays the position and the team drafting really needs him? When you watch them in college, when did you ever think, wow, he could be a number one pick. I thought that with Caleb four games into USC. I thought it with Jayden Daniels at LSU. I'm like, this kid put on weight from ASU. That kid's all baller. I never looked at cam as a number one pick? Is this just position and need? Did you did you see him in college as a dominant player?

Well, let's let's let's reframe it, because we're not grading on a scale of one hundred to be the number one overall pick.

Well, let's let's let's reframe it, because we're not grading on a scale of one hundred to be the number one overall pick.

We're not rating him to be the number one one overall pick.

We're not rating him to be the number one one overall pick.

We are rating him on a scale, you know, like this on a curve, excuse me, And the curve is what else is available? If you're Tennessee, you have to select the best available quarterback.

We are rating him on a scale, you know, like this on a curve, excuse me, And the curve is what else is available? If you're Tennessee, you have to select the best available quarterback.

Period.

Period.

Cam Ward is the best available quarterback this year. I happen to believe it's a bad year to be in that position for Tennessee. If you're looking at the twelve guys that were selected in the top or excuse me, the six guys that were selecting the first twelve picks. A year ago, I think Cam would maybe be fifth or sixth in that class, probably outside of the tops six. And yet this year he's going to be number one. That's not a knock against Cam, that's just that's the year in which he's coming out. He's got great confidence, great arm strength, a quick release. He can threaten every blade of grass out there. But there's no doubt he's going to have to grow and develop at the next level.

Cam Ward is the best available quarterback this year. I happen to believe it's a bad year to be in that position for Tennessee. If you're looking at the twelve guys that were selected in the top or excuse me, the six guys that were selecting the first twelve picks. A year ago, I think Cam would maybe be fifth or sixth in that class, probably outside of the tops six. And yet this year he's going to be number one. That's not a knock against Cam, that's just that's the year in which he's coming out. He's got great confidence, great arm strength, a quick release. He can threaten every blade of grass out there. But there's no doubt he's going to have to grow and develop at the next level.

And I think that he can. I really do. But it's a curve. It's not a scale to one hundred, it's a curve. And he's got the right year to be at the top of the curve.

And I think that he can. I really do. But it's a curve. It's not a scale to one hundred, it's a curve. And he's got the right year to be at the top of the curve.

Yeah, he's got the right year. That's absolutely Joel real quick.

Yeah, he's got the right year. That's absolutely Joel real quick.

I know you put up your mock draft.

I know you put up your mock draft.

Let me just tell you, okay, Genti's going five Jacksonville. Okay, So switch that Mimbu does not get past the Bears. There's no chance Mimbo is going to be a top ten pick. Will Johnson is sliding along with Jihad Campbell because of injury issues and medicals, and if the Rams are trading, it would be for Amrion Hampton. And if there's a trade for Loveland, it's likely to be Denver, so watch out for that. Yours is really good, really good. You're right, you're on the same track as most people. Will's a very good informed But watch out for Mimbo in the top ten, so will Johnson. So the Bears would go offense again.

Let me just tell you, okay, Genti's going five Jacksonville. Okay, So switch that Mimbu does not get past the Bears. There's no chance Mimbo is going to be a top ten pick. Will Johnson is sliding along with Jihad Campbell because of injury issues and medicals, and if the Rams are trading, it would be for Amrion Hampton. And if there's a trade for Loveland, it's likely to be Denver, so watch out for that. Yours is really good, really good. You're right, you're on the same track as most people. Will's a very good informed But watch out for Mimbo in the top ten, so will Johnson. So the Bears would go offense again.

They've done a lot into mine.

They've done a lot into mine.

I think offensive line.

I think offensive line.

What about the Niners in Kelvin Banks. They need offensive linemen, yeah, they.

What about the Niners in Kelvin Banks. They need offensive linemen, yeah, they.

Do, but they need everything. Remember, like they're decimated from free agency, so they need to rebuild their roster overall. So I believe that they're going to just take the best overall player that.

Do, but they need everything. Remember, like they're decimated from free agency, so they need to rebuild their roster overall. So I believe that they're going to just take the best overall player that.

They Hey, if they see on the board, If the Rams like Hampton, is that acknowledging that Blake Koram was a miss, that's.

They Hey, if they see on the board, If the Rams like Hampton, is that acknowledging that Blake Koram was a miss, that's.

A that's a good thought. That's a possibility, There's no doubt. It's also an acknowledgement that Hampton is a pretty dynamic player, both catching.

A that's a good thought. That's a possibility, There's no doubt. It's also an acknowledgement that Hampton is a pretty dynamic player, both catching.