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All Right, it is Monday, after the draft and with the NBA playoffs revving up. Look at those Tea Wolves, Lakers in trouble and reeling.

All Right, it is Monday, after the draft and with the NBA playoffs revving up. Look at those Tea Wolves, Lakers in trouble and reeling.

We are live.

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It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening one hour from now. Colin was right, Colin was wrong. We have plenty of both well. Jmack. It's funny. I have said this for a long time. I've been saying this for about a decade. You never get lied to more in our business than a month before the NFL Draft. I've said that one hundred times. You get so much misinformation fed to you, as mel kiper a month before the NFL Draft. So a lot of stories we start with us as Shader Sanders was sliding suddenly stories started to pop out from Justina Anderson, Todd mcshae a, Jonathan Jones, NFL insider for CBS. Stuff that wasn't out there as much pre draft. I mean, we knew that legendary draft room. We could see that was a bit cringe. But when people were starting to explain, well what happened, well, stories started coming out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce Feldman wrote an article that I read he not only didn't compete at the Senior Bowl or NFL scouting Combine, a former NFL quarterback coach. Feldman spoke was Sunday morning, said not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders was shocking. He had no self awareness, So why did he drop? Am I surprised? Shocked? Actually I would have taken him if I was the Steelers. But between his dad, Dion, who has many friends in the media, saying during the Super Bowl, on multiple interviews, we will dictate terms we will not play for certain teams, and then between Sanders should or sandbagging interviews, that probably explains it. So I'll tell you after the show. Friday, before round two, I talked to two different times an executive in the league asking questions, what do you think of go? He in This executive said to me, he said, if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks at the top of the second round, then people view him as a backup. And I and I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams want that circus in the building as a backup. Remember Tim Tebow, celebrity backup a mess in New York. Bill Belichick made a decision once Mac Jones beat him out in New England. Remember they let Cam go. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, especially when Dion the Dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay, now anybody can draft my son.

It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening one hour from now. Colin was right, Colin was wrong. We have plenty of both well. Jmack. It's funny. I have said this for a long time. I've been saying this for about a decade. You never get lied to more in our business than a month before the NFL Draft. I've said that one hundred times. You get so much misinformation fed to you, as mel kiper a month before the NFL Draft. So a lot of stories we start with us as Shader Sanders was sliding suddenly stories started to pop out from Justina Anderson, Todd mcshae a, Jonathan Jones, NFL insider for CBS. Stuff that wasn't out there as much pre draft. I mean, we knew that legendary draft room. We could see that was a bit cringe. But when people were starting to explain, well what happened, well, stories started coming out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce Feldman wrote an article that I read he not only didn't compete at the Senior Bowl or NFL scouting Combine, a former NFL quarterback coach. Feldman spoke was Sunday morning, said not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders was shocking. He had no self awareness, So why did he drop? Am I surprised? Shocked? Actually I would have taken him if I was the Steelers. But between his dad, Dion, who has many friends in the media, saying during the Super Bowl, on multiple interviews, we will dictate terms we will not play for certain teams, and then between Sanders should or sandbagging interviews, that probably explains it. So I'll tell you after the show. Friday, before round two, I talked to two different times an executive in the league asking questions, what do you think of go? He in This executive said to me, he said, if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks at the top of the second round, then people view him as a backup. And I and I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams want that circus in the building as a backup. Remember Tim Tebow, celebrity backup a mess in New York. Bill Belichick made a decision once Mac Jones beat him out in New England. Remember they let Cam go. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, especially when Dion the Dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay, now anybody can draft my son.

So now, was I surprised?

So now, was I surprised?

Yes, Pittsburgh didn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean, I don't know who their quarterback is. But Daniel Jeremiah, a former three time scout on the NFL Network, made a very interesting point. Jeremiah is really good at what he does. He was quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought was similar to Shador Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what Daniel Jeremiah said, Well, they did Kenny Pickett and they got burned. And they may have looked at it and said, yeah, we've done that kind of quarterback before. Not a big arm moves, Okay, okay, decent numbers you ever got pass on that?

Yes, Pittsburgh didn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean, I don't know who their quarterback is. But Daniel Jeremiah, a former three time scout on the NFL Network, made a very interesting point. Jeremiah is really good at what he does. He was quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought was similar to Shador Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what Daniel Jeremiah said, Well, they did Kenny Pickett and they got burned. And they may have looked at it and said, yeah, we've done that kind of quarterback before. Not a big arm moves, Okay, okay, decent numbers you ever got pass on that?

And Pittsburgh did.

And Pittsburgh did.

Remember Shador Sanders also said this words matter, people listen. He said this at the NFL combine. Shadeur said, quote, if you ain't trying to change the franchise the culture, don't get me. Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect, but everybody else was a B in a C prospect. And in life, if you're not an A, then you have to get the intangibles right right, you're intangibles. For Dak Prescott, DA's never thrown an A ball, but he was an A plus plus with intangibles. That brought Purty small not a great apth A plus plus with intangibles. People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember March and April. NFL doesn't know you anything. March in April are job interview months. And in February and early March, Dad Dion was saying, will set terms. There are teams he won't play for. So I don't think this is all on shuduor but you know, somebody made a point this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're a young actor and you'd only ever been in your dad's movies, and then you interviewed with some other directors to finally not be in one of your dad's movies, and you kind of lack self awareness in turns some people off.

Remember Shador Sanders also said this words matter, people listen. He said this at the NFL combine. Shadeur said, quote, if you ain't trying to change the franchise the culture, don't get me. Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect, but everybody else was a B in a C prospect. And in life, if you're not an A, then you have to get the intangibles right right, you're intangibles. For Dak Prescott, DA's never thrown an A ball, but he was an A plus plus with intangibles. That brought Purty small not a great apth A plus plus with intangibles. People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember March and April. NFL doesn't know you anything. March in April are job interview months. And in February and early March, Dad Dion was saying, will set terms. There are teams he won't play for. So I don't think this is all on shuduor but you know, somebody made a point this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're a young actor and you'd only ever been in your dad's movies, and then you interviewed with some other directors to finally not be in one of your dad's movies, and you kind of lack self awareness in turns some people off.

So when I.

So when I.

Hear he's sand bagged interviews or was not a professional from people I trust, that goes a long way and explaining it. And I believe I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks.

Hear he's sand bagged interviews or was not a professional from people I trust, that goes a long way and explaining it. And I believe I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks.

I said this more than once.

I said this more than once.

A perfect backup quarterback is a guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses in a baseball hat on walk through the mall and nobody would bother him, nobody would recognize him. Your starting quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star, right All starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars. A backup nobody wants a celebrity, and so that's the downside. I don't blame only Shoulder, but when you hear he's sandbag interviews, that's what Dad did. Dion sandbag interviews, legendarily sandbagged interviews. Bragged about sandbagging interviews. But Dion was an a plus plus plus prospect, the best corner of all time. Everybody knew going into this draft that Shuner wasn't a great arm guy. I would have drafted him, not a mobile guy. I would have drafted him. I was shocked by it, and I was told be very if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks. At the top of the second round, people are telling you they see him as a backup. Peter Schrager used to work here, now works at ESPN also brought up an interesting point. Dion has worked for so many media outlets and has so many friends in the NFL.

A perfect backup quarterback is a guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses in a baseball hat on walk through the mall and nobody would bother him, nobody would recognize him. Your starting quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star, right All starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars. A backup nobody wants a celebrity, and so that's the downside. I don't blame only Shoulder, but when you hear he's sandbag interviews, that's what Dad did. Dion sandbag interviews, legendarily sandbagged interviews. Bragged about sandbagging interviews. But Dion was an a plus plus plus prospect, the best corner of all time. Everybody knew going into this draft that Shuner wasn't a great arm guy. I would have drafted him, not a mobile guy. I would have drafted him. I was shocked by it, and I was told be very if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks. At the top of the second round, people are telling you they see him as a backup. Peter Schrager used to work here, now works at ESPN also brought up an interesting point. Dion has worked for so many media outlets and has so many friends in the NFL.

You know, nobody wanted to give him the truth. Your son's okay.

You know, nobody wanted to give him the truth. Your son's okay.

And then once the noise noise scares a lot of teams, especially.

And then once the noise noise scares a lot of teams, especially.

At one position.

At one position.

The discussions are always different about quarterbacks than non quarterbacks. When I talked to NFL people, we always talk about toughness, we talk about productivity and speed and vertical. When you talk about quarterbacks, it's leadership. Will guys follow them over a hill? Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes, so and I got a lot of different thoughts on this. We're actually defend shad Or on something that I thought he did a really good job on. But Cleveland drafted him. There are those that believed that the GM and the coach didn't want to draft him. They'd already drafted a quarterback, and Jimmy Haslam, the owner, stepped in like you did with Jashaun Watson. Needless, regardless, here's Andrew Berry on the pick.

The discussions are always different about quarterbacks than non quarterbacks. When I talked to NFL people, we always talk about toughness, we talk about productivity and speed and vertical. When you talk about quarterbacks, it's leadership. Will guys follow them over a hill? Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes, so and I got a lot of different thoughts on this. We're actually defend shad Or on something that I thought he did a really good job on. But Cleveland drafted him. There are those that believed that the GM and the coach didn't want to draft him. They'd already drafted a quarterback, and Jimmy Haslam, the owner, stepped in like you did with Jashaun Watson. Needless, regardless, here's Andrew Berry on the pick.

Once it got to a point where it felt like it was at you know, a pret steep discount, we just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways that we could use the selection, this made the most sense.

Once it got to a point where it felt like it was at you know, a pret steep discount, we just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways that we could use the selection, this made the most sense.

All right, More on that in a bit. Their reaction was stoic, to be honest, not the most excited looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, the Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips in against Minnesota. For the first time an NBA playoff history, a team played only five players in an entire half, They never subbed. They called the death lineup, and eventually it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota a deeper, bigger roster, with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers, JJ Reddick basically told you our roster has limitations. There's an old thing in the NBA in the playoffs that you play eight guys, but you trust seven. JJ Reddick played five guys and trusted four, and they almost pulled it off. But did you notice that Lebron looked tired by the end. He didn't score in the fourth quarter, and Luca looked tired at the end, never been in the world's best shape. And here was Aunt Edwards once again. If you go look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against Aunt Edwards, the Minnesota Timberwolves, without question, points, assists, rebounding, field goal percentage. The best player in the fourth quarter in this series has consistently been Ant Edwards. That's how you win a playoffs series and quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player. So the t Wolves are deeper and Edwards is the best player. But I think more than anything, remember when the Lakers made that trade the Lucasing and Mark Williams, a center. Remember that whole deal Mark Williams. They were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big, wide body shot blocker, and then it got canceled because team doctors wouldn't give it a pass. In LA Well, JJ Reddick was telling you, Yeah, I wasn't part of that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean, Julius Randall, who's never been good in the playoffs, is having a tremendous series on three pointers. So why Randall's a big. He's getting good looks. And so you know, JJ Reddick's telling you this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five, I may play I may trust four. And here was JJ after.

All right, More on that in a bit. Their reaction was stoic, to be honest, not the most excited looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, the Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips in against Minnesota. For the first time an NBA playoff history, a team played only five players in an entire half, They never subbed. They called the death lineup, and eventually it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota a deeper, bigger roster, with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers, JJ Reddick basically told you our roster has limitations. There's an old thing in the NBA in the playoffs that you play eight guys, but you trust seven. JJ Reddick played five guys and trusted four, and they almost pulled it off. But did you notice that Lebron looked tired by the end. He didn't score in the fourth quarter, and Luca looked tired at the end, never been in the world's best shape. And here was Aunt Edwards once again. If you go look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against Aunt Edwards, the Minnesota Timberwolves, without question, points, assists, rebounding, field goal percentage. The best player in the fourth quarter in this series has consistently been Ant Edwards. That's how you win a playoffs series and quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player. So the t Wolves are deeper and Edwards is the best player. But I think more than anything, remember when the Lakers made that trade the Lucasing and Mark Williams, a center. Remember that whole deal Mark Williams. They were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big, wide body shot blocker, and then it got canceled because team doctors wouldn't give it a pass. In LA Well, JJ Reddick was telling you, Yeah, I wasn't part of that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean, Julius Randall, who's never been good in the playoffs, is having a tremendous series on three pointers. So why Randall's a big. He's getting good looks. And so you know, JJ Reddick's telling you this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five, I may play I may trust four. And here was JJ after.

We've certainly played well enough to win, and we gave the effort to win, and you know, the not a planned thing to play five guys in the entire second half. We asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter, told them we had two extra timeouts. You know, if you need to sub let us know. Those guys gave gave a lot. I think once you've kind of made that decision, you know, and that they all are in, you just got to trust them.

We've certainly played well enough to win, and we gave the effort to win, and you know, the not a planned thing to play five guys in the entire second half. We asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter, told them we had two extra timeouts. You know, if you need to sub let us know. Those guys gave gave a lot. I think once you've kind of made that decision, you know, and that they all are in, you just got to trust them.

Aunt Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard fought games. That's what the t Wolves did all regular season. They were built for it. In Aunt Edwards, whose three point shot improved dramatically, he was built for it. They now have a three to one series lead. They'll be well rested, will the Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday, and here's Ant.

Aunt Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard fought games. That's what the t Wolves did all regular season. They were built for it. In Aunt Edwards, whose three point shot improved dramatically, he was built for it. They now have a three to one series lead. They'll be well rested, will the Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday, and here's Ant.

I'm just trying to take advantage of every opportunity. I mean, because you know, I've been dreaming of this all my life, whether it was football or basketball. So just being in these situations and now it's going against Brunn and Luca, and Luca probably the best player in the game, young player in the game, and Brun is the best player leaving the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I belong and to all my haters and people who criticize me that I'm better than they think.

I'm just trying to take advantage of every opportunity. I mean, because you know, I've been dreaming of this all my life, whether it was football or basketball. So just being in these situations and now it's going against Brunn and Luca, and Luca probably the best player in the game, young player in the game, and Brun is the best player leaving the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I belong and to all my haters and people who criticize me that I'm better than they think.

Ant is officially the best young player in the game. Did you see him battling Lebron. He's like I got Lebron. Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league. I'm not denying that, but look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers. His energy is through the roof. Not just his points, but his field goal percentage. Look at Luca's field goal percentage. Guys get tired. Shots are flat.

Ant is officially the best young player in the game. Did you see him battling Lebron. He's like I got Lebron. Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league. I'm not denying that, but look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers. His energy is through the roof. Not just his points, but his field goal percentage. Look at Luca's field goal percentage. Guys get tired. Shots are flat.

So if you if you.

So if you if you.

Want one of the things that made Jordan, we only showed Jordan's offensive highlights. What made Michael Jordan great was his relentless defense along with his relentless offense and clutch play in the fourth core Michael's energy. You could go to quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick the Utah games, was just better than other players. Look at Ant's fourth quarters. That is young inimpeccable shape. Because Ant previously first couple of years he would wear down Layton games.

Want one of the things that made Jordan, we only showed Jordan's offensive highlights. What made Michael Jordan great was his relentless defense along with his relentless offense and clutch play in the fourth core Michael's energy. You could go to quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick the Utah games, was just better than other players. Look at Ant's fourth quarters. That is young inimpeccable shape. Because Ant previously first couple of years he would wear down Layton games.

He does it anymore. He picks his spots.

He does it anymore. He picks his spots.

He is putting up forty two percent three point in the fourth and your pet, your best defender on him.

He is putting up forty two percent three point in the fourth and your pet, your best defender on him.

So he has arrived.

So he has arrived.

He has got the argument to me as the best young player in the game.

He has got the argument to me as the best young player in the game.

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App Not kind of really a mean thing happened, sort of cruel that Shador Sanders apparently got pranked called during the draft. They found out who it was. It was Jack's Olbrik. His dad's a coach for the Atlanta Falcons. He somehow got the number. And it's really dumb. And young men do really dumb things every weekend in this country, fight at bars, drive too fast, and get hurt. Seventeen to twenty four year old men, according to FBI data, commit the most crime. Your frontal lobes not fully developed. Young men do dumb stuff. And I have six kids in my life and they've all done something dumb. And I did things that were dumber, maybe not as this dumb, but I did dumb stuff too. I don't like it. It's cruel, It's not what you should do. And the kid did call Shador and apologized, but to watch them as reaction, they're more bothered by this than other actions that happen all the time in this league that deserve more criticism. The kid did something really dumb and then called Shadur and apologized.

App Not kind of really a mean thing happened, sort of cruel that Shador Sanders apparently got pranked called during the draft. They found out who it was. It was Jack's Olbrik. His dad's a coach for the Atlanta Falcons. He somehow got the number. And it's really dumb. And young men do really dumb things every weekend in this country, fight at bars, drive too fast, and get hurt. Seventeen to twenty four year old men, according to FBI data, commit the most crime. Your frontal lobes not fully developed. Young men do dumb stuff. And I have six kids in my life and they've all done something dumb. And I did things that were dumber, maybe not as this dumb, but I did dumb stuff too. I don't like it. It's cruel, It's not what you should do. And the kid did call Shador and apologized, but to watch them as reaction, they're more bothered by this than other actions that happen all the time in this league that deserve more criticism. The kid did something really dumb and then called Shadur and apologized.

Here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

When these kind of moments happen in life, and this happened to Shador, I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did anybody watch how Shadeur Sanders handled it? It was really impressive. He said, it's okay, everybody makes mistakes. Wow, that's really adult. Why members older members of the media are wrecked by it and deeply bothered that he fell.

When these kind of moments happen in life, and this happened to Shador, I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did anybody watch how Shadeur Sanders handled it? It was really impressive. He said, it's okay, everybody makes mistakes. Wow, that's really adult. Why members older members of the media are wrecked by it and deeply bothered that he fell.

In the draft. He wasn't He kept the thing the thing.

In the draft. He wasn't He kept the thing the thing.

He's not going to hold a grudge, and you'll find that as a habit among winners in life. Generally, they're not grudge holders. They focus on what matters. Shadeur Sanders came out when somebody played a real cruel joke, unacceptable, and he said it's okay, it's okay, people make mistakes.

He's not going to hold a grudge, and you'll find that as a habit among winners in life. Generally, they're not grudge holders. They focus on what matters. Shadeur Sanders came out when somebody played a real cruel joke, unacceptable, and he said it's okay, it's okay, people make mistakes.

That is an incredibly impressive reaction.

That is an incredibly impressive reaction.

And as he dropped in the draft, here's what he said about going to Cleveland.

And as he dropped in the draft, here's what he said about going to Cleveland.

I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. I feel like it's first getting in showing the respect to the bets, showing them, uh, you know, I I'm ready to work, So did coaches and have them understand, you know, I'm I'm here ready to work today. Can actually understand the real mean That's what I'm truly thankful to have, is the opportunity for people to actually see the real me and not be able to receive, you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's what I'm most excited about being in the building.

I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. I feel like it's first getting in showing the respect to the bets, showing them, uh, you know, I I'm ready to work, So did coaches and have them understand, you know, I'm I'm here ready to work today. Can actually understand the real mean That's what I'm truly thankful to have, is the opportunity for people to actually see the real me and not be able to receive, you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's what I'm most excited about being in the building.

Wow, I mean Aaron Rodgers dropped a few draft picks, was bitter should Sanders dropped for the fifth round, and he's like, I can't wait to get into the building, show respect to the veterans he gets ranked. He could have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid made a mistake. We're all gonna be okay. People make mistakes. That makes me want to root for Shador Sanders. You guys can throw tizzy fits reacting to the dropping in the draft. By the way, Kyle McCord dropped, he went later than I thought, and he went to the Philadelphia Eagles. And by the way, Will Howard he went really late too. He went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that going high in the draft and to really bad franchises is always the answer. The truth is Joe Flackel will probably win that Brown's job. My guess is Shadeur Sanders easily because he was underdrafted, he will easily win the backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And then by Thanksgiving, I'm gonna make a bet Shadoor Sanders is gonna play and be the starting quarterback.

Wow, I mean Aaron Rodgers dropped a few draft picks, was bitter should Sanders dropped for the fifth round, and he's like, I can't wait to get into the building, show respect to the veterans he gets ranked. He could have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid made a mistake. We're all gonna be okay. People make mistakes. That makes me want to root for Shador Sanders. You guys can throw tizzy fits reacting to the dropping in the draft. By the way, Kyle McCord dropped, he went later than I thought, and he went to the Philadelphia Eagles. And by the way, Will Howard he went really late too. He went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that going high in the draft and to really bad franchises is always the answer. The truth is Joe Flackel will probably win that Brown's job. My guess is Shadeur Sanders easily because he was underdrafted, he will easily win the backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And then by Thanksgiving, I'm gonna make a bet Shadoor Sanders is gonna play and be the starting quarterback.

But I was.

But I was.

Really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe it's because I've had so many kids in my life. The kids do dumb stuff. Young boys do really dumb stuff. And I didn't like it at all, and it made me mad and I thought it was cruel. But how shaduor handled it told me, Okay, that's the kind of compartmentalization, attitude, and maturity.

Really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe it's because I've had so many kids in my life. The kids do dumb stuff. Young boys do really dumb stuff. And I didn't like it at all, and it made me mad and I thought it was cruel. But how shaduor handled it told me, Okay, that's the kind of compartmentalization, attitude, and maturity.

You get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish.

You get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish.

They don't pout, they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey, everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament that blew me away. I mean, I'm sitting there thinking if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this to my kid, I'd be really hurt and maybe should do or was, But that reaction A plus plus. He may have a B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament in that moment A plus plus.

They don't pout, they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey, everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament that blew me away. I mean, I'm sitting there thinking if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this to my kid, I'd be really hurt and maybe should do or was, But that reaction A plus plus. He may have a B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament in that moment A plus plus.

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That's Covino and Rich.

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Here we go, hour two.

Here we go, hour two.

It is a Monday live in Los Angeles.

It is a Monday live in Los Angeles.

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Wild weekend.

Wild weekend.

Shador Sanders drops in the draft. Matt Hasselbeck will be joining us here in about five minutes to talk about that. I did think the Seahawks had the best draft. I thought Cleveland did really well.

Shador Sanders drops in the draft. Matt Hasselbeck will be joining us here in about five minutes to talk about that. I did think the Seahawks had the best draft. I thought Cleveland did really well.

Listen.

Listen.

Cleveland and the Rams both.

Cleveland and the Rams both.

Got another first round pick for next year, which is a significantly.

Got another first round pick for next year, which is a significantly.

Stronger quarterback draft, and they both need them one for now.

Stronger quarterback draft, and they both need them one for now.

Cleveland needs a quarterback, which, by the way, Shador Sanders has the second best odds according to DraftKings to be the starting quarterback, not Flacco. If you know how his number one odds Kenny Pick. He's feeding out Kenny Pick.

Cleveland needs a quarterback, which, by the way, Shador Sanders has the second best odds according to DraftKings to be the starting quarterback, not Flacco. If you know how his number one odds Kenny Pick. He's feeding out Kenny Pick.

Don't bet that people.

Don't bet that people.

By the way, I thought you're taking the first hour on the prink call much better than your NBA fouls tape.

By the way, I thought you're taking the first hour on the prink call much better than your NBA fouls tape.

But I have to ask you this.

But I have to ask you this.

I talked about it on my podcast, Like, were you as a kid making prink calls? Everybody did, yes, yes, but you weren't ruining someone's like special moment like the.

I talked about it on my podcast, Like, were you as a kid making prink calls? Everybody did, yes, yes, but you weren't ruining someone's like special moment like the.

Prank calls we made.

Prank calls we made.

There used to be a WWF wrestler who lived in our area, so we would prank call him at sleepovers and be like imitate Macho Man.

There used to be a WWF wrestler who lived in our area, so we would prank call him at sleepovers and be like imitate Macho Man.

Oh yeah, Macho Man and Rady Savage of Rick Flair. We would do that stuff.

Oh yeah, Macho Man and Rady Savage of Rick Flair. We would do that stuff.

But it wasn't like like his NFL Draft ball.

But it wasn't like like his NFL Draft ball.

He wasn't going to like the wrestling hall.

He wasn't going to like the wrestling hall.

By the way, it didn't ruin it because twenty minutes later.

By the way, it didn't ruin it because twenty minutes later.

He had his mind, I know, but it was you had a good take on it. It's again we disagreemed.

He had his mind, I know, but it was you had a good take on it. It's again we disagreemed.

Some young kid did something really mean and really dumb, and that's what young twenty one year old.

Some young kid did something really mean and really dumb, and that's what young twenty one year old.

As a parent, By the way, how do you punish that kid? What's the punishment?

As a parent, By the way, how do you punish that kid? What's the punishment?

My punishment is get on the phone, call immediately and apologize and let the nation. They're going to take shots at you, and you have them all coming I don't need to spank him like. By the way, public humiliation is very powerful. I didn't grow up with Twitter, thank goodness. Yeah, Twitter's very powerful to make you feel bad about yourself. We have self esteem studies being done everywhere globally. People now are saying the best thing you can do as a parent. Psychologists are saying this, get him off social media. Yeah, so being crushed on social media, being publicly humiliated, and he was his punishment.

My punishment is get on the phone, call immediately and apologize and let the nation. They're going to take shots at you, and you have them all coming I don't need to spank him like. By the way, public humiliation is very powerful. I didn't grow up with Twitter, thank goodness. Yeah, Twitter's very powerful to make you feel bad about yourself. We have self esteem studies being done everywhere globally. People now are saying the best thing you can do as a parent. Psychologists are saying this, get him off social media. Yeah, so being crushed on social media, being publicly humiliated, and he was his punishment.

And by the way, how does the defensive coordinator leave his iPad around open with schadurd Sanders phone number on there when they drafted Michael Pennox last year. I'm not calling BS on that, but something feels a little fishy. Now do you leave your iPad open with the phone numbers the executives you talked to?

And by the way, how does the defensive coordinator leave his iPad around open with schadurd Sanders phone number on there when they drafted Michael Pennox last year. I'm not calling BS on that, but something feels a little fishy. Now do you leave your iPad open with the phone numbers the executives you talked to?

I trust my kids, you know, So all right?

I trust my kids, you know, So all right?

Colin right? Colin wrong?

Colin right? Colin wrong?

On a Monday, here we go.

On a Monday, here we go.

Where Colin was right.

Where Colin was right.

Aunt Edwards continues to be the best young player in the game. And I said this last week, not a GM in this league would take Jahn Morant over Aunt Edwards. Jah got swept okay, and Edwards is dominating fourth quarters and three years ago Jahn Morant was the better player. Clearly, that is not close to the case. Ant takes on lebrawn and can play a rigorous, strong, physical, intimidating defensive game.

Aunt Edwards continues to be the best young player in the game. And I said this last week, not a GM in this league would take Jahn Morant over Aunt Edwards. Jah got swept okay, and Edwards is dominating fourth quarters and three years ago Jahn Morant was the better player. Clearly, that is not close to the case. Ant takes on lebrawn and can play a rigorous, strong, physical, intimidating defensive game.

Jaw can't.

Jaw can't.

You are looking at in my opinion that the best domestic player in the league right now at his age certainly Aunt.

You are looking at in my opinion that the best domestic player in the league right now at his age certainly Aunt.

Edwards where Colin was raw.

Edwards where Colin was raw.

I thought Shador Sanders was the second best quarterback. I washedon college football to cam Ward and listen, he fell out. There's a lot of explanations for it. To complete seventy four percent of your throws behind a terrible offensive line is impressive, but there's enough bad tape out there with him that it didn't blow people away. I do think he will win the starting job at some point next year. And don't listen to Jmac that is a tasty bat. Take Shadur to eventually start for the Cleveland Browns.

I thought Shador Sanders was the second best quarterback. I washedon college football to cam Ward and listen, he fell out. There's a lot of explanations for it. To complete seventy four percent of your throws behind a terrible offensive line is impressive, but there's enough bad tape out there with him that it didn't blow people away. I do think he will win the starting job at some point next year. And don't listen to Jmac that is a tasty bat. Take Shadur to eventually start for the Cleveland Browns.

I was wrong.

I was wrong.

I would have taken him if I was Pittsburgh. I don't know what Pittsburgh's thinking. Must already have Aaron.

I would have taken him if I was Pittsburgh. I don't know what Pittsburgh's thinking. Must already have Aaron.

Rodgers where Colin was right.

Rodgers where Colin was right.

You know, I don't like to pick on kids, but I was never a quin Eewers fan. I didn't get it one year ago, people said he could be the first quarterback taken.

You know, I don't like to pick on kids, but I was never a quin Eewers fan. I didn't get it one year ago, people said he could be the first quarterback taken.

I didn't buy it. I never had.

I didn't buy it. I never had.

I know he's a five star high school quarterback. I know he won a bunch of games with Texas. I don't see it he was the thirteenth quarterback taken.

I know he's a five star high school quarterback. I know he won a bunch of games with Texas. I don't see it he was the thirteenth quarterback taken.

I just he had.

I just he had.

Great protection at unbelievable wide receivers at Texas and made some incredibly big throws. But I never watched him during college football and thought that's a franchise quarterback, and he ended up being the thirteenth quarterback taken.

Great protection at unbelievable wide receivers at Texas and made some incredibly big throws. But I never watched him during college football and thought that's a franchise quarterback, and he ended up being the thirteenth quarterback taken.

Where Colin was raw, I.

Where Colin was raw, I.

Thought the Chicago Bears were gonna go heavy defense in the draft because they've spent so much money on offense. They said nope, tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle with their first three picks. I liked the picks, but I mean, they have so much talent on offense. Colston Lovelin one of my favorite players. No excuses for Kayleb Williams. Ben Johnson is clearly run in the draft room. Because they are going free agency and drafting, their best picks and pickups are offense.

Thought the Chicago Bears were gonna go heavy defense in the draft because they've spent so much money on offense. They said nope, tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle with their first three picks. I liked the picks, but I mean, they have so much talent on offense. Colston Lovelin one of my favorite players. No excuses for Kayleb Williams. Ben Johnson is clearly run in the draft room. Because they are going free agency and drafting, their best picks and pickups are offense.

Where Colin was right, I said for the.

Where Colin was right, I said for the.

Last month, I think the Raiders are the perfect pick for Ashton Genty because Geno Smith, historically, when he has a run game and can throw on play action.

Last month, I think the Raiders are the perfect pick for Ashton Genty because Geno Smith, historically, when he has a run game and can throw on play action.

Is actually a really good quarterback.

Is actually a really good quarterback.

You go look to his career on play action is one hundred and six passer rating. So now they've got their quarterback in Gino, a star tight end, a star running back, Colton Miller, a left tackle, and they went and picked up some running some wide receivers. They also have Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll. I don't know how the Raiders are going to do, but I thought this was the perfect pick. I loved everything. And at five to eight people say he's small. It is hard to get leverage on five eight running backs. Nobody bounces off more college defenders than Ashton Genty where Colin was raw. Boy did I miss on the Lakers series. I had the Lakers in five because I thought they were better offensively, but JJ Reddick has made it very clear he doesn't trust Jackson Hayes. Translation, we're gonna play small ball, and Minnesota's dominating the boards. They're more physical, they've got more rotational options. The Lakers are playing five dudes, and Luca looked tired at the end. Lebron was tired at the end, and the Lakers have been outscored by six or more in every fourth quarter, and a lot of that is Minnesota is fresher. Where Colin was right, I thought the Pacers were gonna fly through the Bucks. The Dame injury stinks, but I just think Indiana's got more good players in their prime. I think Indiana's got the best talent in the league that nobody talks about. I really like the Pacers and I don't like the Bucks. And I've said this for three years. They're too Yanna's centric, and the big problem is that's okay.

You go look to his career on play action is one hundred and six passer rating. So now they've got their quarterback in Gino, a star tight end, a star running back, Colton Miller, a left tackle, and they went and picked up some running some wide receivers. They also have Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll. I don't know how the Raiders are going to do, but I thought this was the perfect pick. I loved everything. And at five to eight people say he's small. It is hard to get leverage on five eight running backs. Nobody bounces off more college defenders than Ashton Genty where Colin was raw. Boy did I miss on the Lakers series. I had the Lakers in five because I thought they were better offensively, but JJ Reddick has made it very clear he doesn't trust Jackson Hayes. Translation, we're gonna play small ball, and Minnesota's dominating the boards. They're more physical, they've got more rotational options. The Lakers are playing five dudes, and Luca looked tired at the end. Lebron was tired at the end, and the Lakers have been outscored by six or more in every fourth quarter, and a lot of that is Minnesota is fresher. Where Colin was right, I thought the Pacers were gonna fly through the Bucks. The Dame injury stinks, but I just think Indiana's got more good players in their prime. I think Indiana's got the best talent in the league that nobody talks about. I really like the Pacers and I don't like the Bucks. And I've said this for three years. They're too Yanna's centric, and the big problem is that's okay.

The Nuggets are.

The Nuggets are.

Joki centric, but I trust Jokic at the free throw line rate late. I do not trust Yannis at the free throw line late so much like Shack, you didn't want him at the line even though he was dominant. So for me, it's time to blow up this roster. Where Colin was wrong. I had been told that a wide receiver t Mac from Arizona. A lot of people had cooled on him, but it only takes one and Carolina drafted him with the eighth pick. I thought some of the draft analysis on him was interesting. People theorized that Bryce Young is a smaller quarterback and therefore the long and lanky t Mac is easier to see. Never thought about that. Probably true, but yeah, it takes one. I'd heard teams that cooled on him. Did he love football? Where can you use him? He's kind of a strider, doesn't get off the line good enough. I was wrong, And with that eighteen years in the NFL mad house, you know, it's funny about quarterbacks. A year ago. Everybody's like when you were first round. Two years ago, Sam Hell, first round, so you get lied to a lot about this stuff.

Joki centric, but I trust Jokic at the free throw line rate late. I do not trust Yannis at the free throw line late so much like Shack, you didn't want him at the line even though he was dominant. So for me, it's time to blow up this roster. Where Colin was wrong. I had been told that a wide receiver t Mac from Arizona. A lot of people had cooled on him, but it only takes one and Carolina drafted him with the eighth pick. I thought some of the draft analysis on him was interesting. People theorized that Bryce Young is a smaller quarterback and therefore the long and lanky t Mac is easier to see. Never thought about that. Probably true, but yeah, it takes one. I'd heard teams that cooled on him. Did he love football? Where can you use him? He's kind of a strider, doesn't get off the line good enough. I was wrong, And with that eighteen years in the NFL mad house, you know, it's funny about quarterbacks. A year ago. Everybody's like when you were first round. Two years ago, Sam Hell, first round, so you get lied to a lot about this stuff.

Things changed.

Things changed.

I mean when when he dropped in the draft, Shador Sanders, what was your immediate first and second take on that.

I mean when when he dropped in the draft, Shador Sanders, what was your immediate first and second take on that.

I was a little bit surprised.

I was a little bit surprised.

But there really weren't that many teams that were desperate for a quarterback.

But there really weren't that many teams that were desperate for a quarterback.

I mean, obviously Tennessee.

I mean, obviously Tennessee.

You know there's something out there with Pittsburgh. The Giants were a player Pittsburgh, you know, wondering about the Aaron Rodgers thing. But like, once he fell, it was clear he was going to fall for you know, he could fall pretty far. And there were some great quarterbacks and for me, as a sixth round pick pick one eight seven.

You know there's something out there with Pittsburgh. The Giants were a player Pittsburgh, you know, wondering about the Aaron Rodgers thing. But like, once he fell, it was clear he was going to fall for you know, he could fall pretty far. And there were some great quarterbacks and for me, as a sixth round pick pick one eight seven.

I was kind of, in my mind a little bit like crimea River.

I was kind of, in my mind a little bit like crimea River.

You know, there's some good players out there, Kyle McCord, Riley Leonard, will Howard. But I do think Shedor Sanders is a really good quarterback.

You know, there's some good players out there, Kyle McCord, Riley Leonard, will Howard. But I do think Shedor Sanders is a really good quarterback.

I think he's talented.

I think he's talented.

Uh.

Uh.

Clearly, his film was a lot better than I think maybe some of the interactions and some of the lead up to the draft, and that probably gave some people some pause, some teams that might have taken him to to go elsewhere.

Clearly, his film was a lot better than I think maybe some of the interactions and some of the lead up to the draft, and that probably gave some people some pause, some teams that might have taken him to to go elsewhere.

So I would put Travis Hunter on offense, mostly because I could target him twelve times and get him the ball, Whereas I'd rather do that than him used as a decoy chasing around quarterbacks and not be part.

So I would put Travis Hunter on offense, mostly because I could target him twelve times and get him the ball, Whereas I'd rather do that than him used as a decoy chasing around quarterbacks and not be part.

Of the play.

Of the play.

So and I think he will be a prolific offensive player. But I do wonder on Tuesday or Wednesday during install and he's in the offensive meeting and not in the defensive meeting. Is that problematic?

So and I think he will be a prolific offensive player. But I do wonder on Tuesday or Wednesday during install and he's in the offensive meeting and not in the defensive meeting. Is that problematic?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I think there's like a lot of people don't understand how it works, like in a real work week for an NFL team. I mean, I could see a scout being like, oh man, this guy's awesome. He could play offense, he could play defense. But the reality of the process. You here coaches talk about process. Wednesday is all first and second down offensive defense. Do the exact same thing every day during the week. Thursday is all third down, third down and two minutes. Friday is red zone, shortyardage, goal line. Saturday is kind of a walk through, mock game situation, you know, hail Mary, end of game type situations. Obviously you play the game on Sunday. So really, I think this is going to be a real challenge for the coaches and for the player. Playing the actual game is not the hard part, Like that's physically.

I think there's like a lot of people don't understand how it works, like in a real work week for an NFL team. I mean, I could see a scout being like, oh man, this guy's awesome. He could play offense, he could play defense. But the reality of the process. You here coaches talk about process. Wednesday is all first and second down offensive defense. Do the exact same thing every day during the week. Thursday is all third down, third down and two minutes. Friday is red zone, shortyardage, goal line. Saturday is kind of a walk through, mock game situation, you know, hail Mary, end of game type situations. Obviously you play the game on Sunday. So really, I think this is going to be a real challenge for the coaches and for the player. Playing the actual game is not the hard part, Like that's physically.

Not a big deal.

Not a big deal.

The preparation you spend all day studying the intricacies and tendencies on third down of your own playbook of your opponent.

The preparation you spend all day studying the intricacies and tendencies on third down of your own playbook of your opponent.

I just don't know how they're gonna do that.

I just don't know how they're gonna do that.

They're gonna have to get creative, and the coaches are going to have to be the ones to adjust.

They're gonna have to get creative, and the coaches are going to have to be the ones to adjust.

I was really surprised the Bears the last two years in free agency have mostly gone offense, and last year in the draft, you know, better picks, they went offense. So I would theorize, Okay, they're gonna figure this defense out and they went tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle. I'm like, Ben Johnson is running the draft room. I think, did it surprise you? What did you make of that? Well?

I was really surprised the Bears the last two years in free agency have mostly gone offense, and last year in the draft, you know, better picks, they went offense. So I would theorize, Okay, they're gonna figure this defense out and they went tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle. I'm like, Ben Johnson is running the draft room. I think, did it surprise you? What did you make of that? Well?

I think it's if you're a Bears fan, you're really excited to see that Ben Johnson and Ryan Pols are together, Like I think they're on the same page. That's not something you can say in Chicago for a long long time, But I think they setting this up to find out if Caleb Williams is in fact Ben Johnson's guy. And you know, clearly he's got the ability, he's got the potential. We have not seen the execution on the field, so you know, obviously he goes out and gets his Sam Laporta type guy at tight end. He's got the wide receivers, he's building up front with the old line. He goes and gets Azzie Trapillo at an underrated second round pick. I think it's gonna be all set up for Caleb to either be the guy or not be the guy going forward. I love the draft. I really love what they did. They did in Chicago, but now the pressure's on the young quarterback.

I think it's if you're a Bears fan, you're really excited to see that Ben Johnson and Ryan Pols are together, Like I think they're on the same page. That's not something you can say in Chicago for a long long time, But I think they setting this up to find out if Caleb Williams is in fact Ben Johnson's guy. And you know, clearly he's got the ability, he's got the potential. We have not seen the execution on the field, so you know, obviously he goes out and gets his Sam Laporta type guy at tight end. He's got the wide receivers, he's building up front with the old line. He goes and gets Azzie Trapillo at an underrated second round pick. I think it's gonna be all set up for Caleb to either be the guy or not be the guy going forward. I love the draft. I really love what they did. They did in Chicago, but now the pressure's on the young quarterback.

I had said this earlier.

I had said this earlier.

I talked to an NFL executive on Friday after the show, and he said, he goes, if Shador doesn't get drafted by like the thirty eighth pick, so six picks into the second round, he's being viewed as a backup, and some people aren't going They're not gonna do that circus as a backup. He goes, keep your eye on mill Everybody loves that kid, and he's not ready to play, so there'll be no pressure on the starter. So John Snyder to me is about as good as a personnel guy as the league has. I thought the Seahawks had the best draft, you know, the organization. Well, what do you make so I get taking Milroll over Shador because Sam's starting for two years, let's not threaten him. What did you make of the pick? And what did you make of the Seahawks draft?

I talked to an NFL executive on Friday after the show, and he said, he goes, if Shador doesn't get drafted by like the thirty eighth pick, so six picks into the second round, he's being viewed as a backup, and some people aren't going They're not gonna do that circus as a backup. He goes, keep your eye on mill Everybody loves that kid, and he's not ready to play, so there'll be no pressure on the starter. So John Snyder to me is about as good as a personnel guy as the league has. I thought the Seahawks had the best draft, you know, the organization. Well, what do you make so I get taking Milroll over Shador because Sam's starting for two years, let's not threaten him. What did you make of the pick? And what did you make of the Seahawks draft?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I agree with really everything that you're saying there. And you know, I just go back to even on the quarterback thing. I think I've told you before two coaches that came and sort of like worked me out when I was in college where Sean Payton and Andy Reid, neither one of.

I agree with really everything that you're saying there. And you know, I just go back to even on the quarterback thing. I think I've told you before two coaches that came and sort of like worked me out when I was in college where Sean Payton and Andy Reid, neither one of.

Them worked me out.

Them worked me out.

Sean Payton took me to lunch and Andy Reid hung out in a whiteboard meeting room with me and we talked. They both, I think, wanted to see if I was the kind of guy that they wanted in their quarterback room, that they wanted in their locker room. The person that I was like, it was I going to fit in their team. And I think what I've learned in eighteen years in the NFL is that humility is respected in the locker room. So I think, like when you're talking about a Jalen Milroe as an example, he's everything you're looking for and a guy you're adding to your team, adding to your locker room, adding to your quarterback room. Your quarterback coach wants to coach a guy like that. You hear Mike McDonald talk about, Hey, he's special as a quarterback in the traditional sense, but when this guy like when things break down. As a defensive coordinator, my biggest fear as a decordinator play caller is when the guy has the ability to go do something with it as a runner as well, and Milroe certainly certainly is exceptional in that regard. So yeah, to your point, the Seahawks, they went and got their Steve Hutchinson type offensive lineman, no nonsense, versatile, you know, potential Hall of Famer type talent. And then you know, like obviously you know later on they replace Gino with Milroe, they.

Sean Payton took me to lunch and Andy Reid hung out in a whiteboard meeting room with me and we talked. They both, I think, wanted to see if I was the kind of guy that they wanted in their quarterback room, that they wanted in their locker room. The person that I was like, it was I going to fit in their team. And I think what I've learned in eighteen years in the NFL is that humility is respected in the locker room. So I think, like when you're talking about a Jalen Milroe as an example, he's everything you're looking for and a guy you're adding to your team, adding to your locker room, adding to your quarterback room. Your quarterback coach wants to coach a guy like that. You hear Mike McDonald talk about, Hey, he's special as a quarterback in the traditional sense, but when this guy like when things break down. As a defensive coordinator, my biggest fear as a decordinator play caller is when the guy has the ability to go do something with it as a runner as well, and Milroe certainly certainly is exceptional in that regard. So yeah, to your point, the Seahawks, they went and got their Steve Hutchinson type offensive lineman, no nonsense, versatile, you know, potential Hall of Famer type talent. And then you know, like obviously you know later on they replace Gino with Milroe, they.

Add depth where they need to ad depth.

Add depth where they need to ad depth.

They get their Cam Chancellor in the second round, trying to rebuild that legion of boom, the Kyle Hamilton type guy that McDonald was using with Baltimore. I mean, they're in love with their draft right now, and I think Seahawk fans are as well.

They get their Cam Chancellor in the second round, trying to rebuild that legion of boom, the Kyle Hamilton type guy that McDonald was using with Baltimore. I mean, they're in love with their draft right now, and I think Seahawk fans are as well.

Okay, I thought the Raiders asked in Genty. I thought he fit Chip Kelly. I thought he was what they need. I think Gino's always proven on play action. He's a more than capable NFL quarterback. I loved that pick. That's one of the few we called.

Okay, I thought the Raiders asked in Genty. I thought he fit Chip Kelly. I thought he was what they need. I think Gino's always proven on play action. He's a more than capable NFL quarterback. I loved that pick. That's one of the few we called.

What did you make of it?

What did you make of it?

Yeah, we talked about it in March. I think you asked me the question what I think about it? And it's an identity pick. I think in that division two, with the great quarterbacks and the great offenses in that division, Pete Carroll views a great running game as an extension of the defense. He's got this formula in play calling. How many times do I run it? Plus how many times do I have a completion? And that's my formula ball Security is another major factor. But when you go back to who Pete Carroll was at SC with Lendel White and Reggie Bush, and then who he was in Seattle with Marshawn Lynch, this fits him exactly. And I would even say that, you know, if you really study what Chip Kelly was last year as the play caller at Ohio State, this was a run first team and this was a b the hammer, not the nail kind of a mindset that I think both coaches have perfect fit.

Yeah, we talked about it in March. I think you asked me the question what I think about it? And it's an identity pick. I think in that division two, with the great quarterbacks and the great offenses in that division, Pete Carroll views a great running game as an extension of the defense. He's got this formula in play calling. How many times do I run it? Plus how many times do I have a completion? And that's my formula ball Security is another major factor. But when you go back to who Pete Carroll was at SC with Lendel White and Reggie Bush, and then who he was in Seattle with Marshawn Lynch, this fits him exactly. And I would even say that, you know, if you really study what Chip Kelly was last year as the play caller at Ohio State, this was a run first team and this was a b the hammer, not the nail kind of a mindset that I think both coaches have perfect fit.

I am guessing that the Steelers have some sort of deal with Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron just said, I'll wait to see how the draft plays out, and if you don't draft a starter, I'll come aboard.

I am guessing that the Steelers have some sort of deal with Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron just said, I'll wait to see how the draft plays out, and if you don't draft a starter, I'll come aboard.

Will Howard's a backup.

Will Howard's a backup.

Right now, I'm guessing because otherwise I don't know what Pittsburgh's doing at quarterback.

Right now, I'm guessing because otherwise I don't know what Pittsburgh's doing at quarterback.

What do you think they're doing with Aaron?

What do you think they're doing with Aaron?

Yeah, I think you nailed it. I mean, I have no insight info. But this whole time, when everyone's all this chatter, what's Aaron Rodgers waiting for? You either want to be a Steeler or you don't guys, do you remember what happened last year? Kirk Cousins signed a huge deal to go to Atlanta and then they picked a quarterback like eighth overall or something like that. He's waiting for the draft. He doesn't want to be a lame duck quarterback. This is the perfect team for him. Pittsburgh's the perfect fit. He's waiting till after the draft. So you don't do something sort of foolish. Go get me more weapons, don't go draft my replacement. And that's essentially how I think the draft played out. They got a really talented quarterback in the sixth, sixth round, and Will Howard that's not a threat.

Yeah, I think you nailed it. I mean, I have no insight info. But this whole time, when everyone's all this chatter, what's Aaron Rodgers waiting for? You either want to be a Steeler or you don't guys, do you remember what happened last year? Kirk Cousins signed a huge deal to go to Atlanta and then they picked a quarterback like eighth overall or something like that. He's waiting for the draft. He doesn't want to be a lame duck quarterback. This is the perfect team for him. Pittsburgh's the perfect fit. He's waiting till after the draft. So you don't do something sort of foolish. Go get me more weapons, don't go draft my replacement. And that's essentially how I think the draft played out. They got a really talented quarterback in the sixth, sixth round, and Will Howard that's not a threat.

He's more of a project.

He's more of a project.

Maybe have a guy that's like, Hey, I really like this guy. I would like to sort of mentor this guy. I like what the Steelers did that way. And I do think there was a handshake agreement. Let's wait till after the draft and then we'll then we'll talk and get your pen out and we'll put this thing to paper for.

Maybe have a guy that's like, Hey, I really like this guy. I would like to sort of mentor this guy. I like what the Steelers did that way. And I do think there was a handshake agreement. Let's wait till after the draft and then we'll then we'll talk and get your pen out and we'll put this thing to paper for.

The record, A team will go into camp with twelve linebackers, fourteen offensive linemen or more, but generally you don't have five quarterbacks. How do you how does Cleveland figure out? I mean, I think Chador is gonna win the job eventually, but it is a lot of snaps. Dylan Gabriel, Kenny pick it, Joe Flackel, how's that gonna work?

The record, A team will go into camp with twelve linebackers, fourteen offensive linemen or more, but generally you don't have five quarterbacks. How do you how does Cleveland figure out? I mean, I think Chador is gonna win the job eventually, but it is a lot of snaps. Dylan Gabriel, Kenny pick it, Joe Flackel, how's that gonna work?

It doesn't honestly call, and it doesn't feel like a head coach GM draft pick. For that reason, it feels like an ownership draft pick. It feels like, you know, they had a plan and then all of a sudden, someone who ranks higher than them said, Hey, why don't we do this?

It doesn't honestly call, and it doesn't feel like a head coach GM draft pick. For that reason, it feels like an ownership draft pick. It feels like, you know, they had a plan and then all of a sudden, someone who ranks higher than them said, Hey, why don't we do this?

And so something's got to change.

And so something's got to change.

There's not enough reps for three guys really, never mind five, So I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody get traded at some point.

There's not enough reps for three guys really, never mind five, So I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody get traded at some point.

That's just the nature of how it goes.

That's just the nature of how it goes.

But I remember being my first year, I was the fourth string quarterback for the Green Bay Packers, and like I said, there's nothing to do. Essentially, they used me as a practice squad tight end at practice. So somebody's got to go. Somebody's got to go, and that's a that's an interesting dynamic in that room. Obviously, people will be talking about that one and watching it very closely.

But I remember being my first year, I was the fourth string quarterback for the Green Bay Packers, and like I said, there's nothing to do. Essentially, they used me as a practice squad tight end at practice. So somebody's got to go. Somebody's got to go, and that's a that's an interesting dynamic in that room. Obviously, people will be talking about that one and watching it very closely.

By the way, finally, the outpouring of affection to you on the passing of your father, I think speaks volumes about the Hasslebeck family and you in particular. I have met your father, I've met your family before, and I just think, I just we want to pass along how much we think of you. And it was it warmed my heart to see the outpouring of affection by the Internet towards your family, my man, and you know, we think thanks calling.

By the way, finally, the outpouring of affection to you on the passing of your father, I think speaks volumes about the Hasslebeck family and you in particular. I have met your father, I've met your family before, and I just think, I just we want to pass along how much we think of you. And it was it warmed my heart to see the outpouring of affection by the Internet towards your family, my man, and you know, we think thanks calling.

Yeah, my dad was larger than life in a lot of ways, and I hope we honored him at his funeral.

Yeah, my dad was larger than life in a lot of ways, and I hope we honored him at his funeral.

He was.

He was.

He's a great man and still in shock a little bit, but it's he'll be definitely missed.

He's a great man and still in shock a little bit, but it's he'll be definitely missed.

All right.

All right.

Matt Hasselbeck one of the really good guys in our profession.

Matt Hasselbeck one of the really good guys in our profession.

Eighteen years in the NFL.

Eighteen years in the NFL.