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What I've Doug Gottliebin for Colin heard, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. So last night, Oklahoma City took a two game to non lead and stopping. You heard this before, but Shake Gilden Alexander dominant not just from the two but also from the one from the free throw line. What do you make thirteen out of fifteen free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable postgame. Obviously, considering all the hype and the desire to be kind of the next dude, has not yet looked like the next dude in these last two games. But I think I think here's the distinction that people need to make. This is a real thing. So when you go on social media, you'll get people who will say, who are you know, and and look, full disclosure, I have numerous friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I think they do a great job, and I love watching this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess. Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest highest variety, right, and and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated now as opposed to how it used to be officiated. And here's what I and and but here's the special distinction. Okay, Like I will see on social media people say Michael Jordan shot nine more frethrows the game, and he probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and they played the Detroit Pistons and what was called the Jordan rules, They would pummel him when he go to the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He wouldn't pass on that penetration. He try and win it on his own. And so yeah, he shot a lot of free thows. Michael Jordan shot a lot of frethos. Michael Jordan got calls. There's no question the difference in Jordan, Bird Magic, even Kobe Okay was what they didn't do was like this next step. It started with Harden with throwing the head back, but Shay will he falls down? I mean in game one, how many times did he fall down? And it's interesting, like you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, fouls. He falls down more than Joel Embiidho falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught. And he's great at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them so contact is made, and then throwing his hand up in his arm up and his head back and getting a foul like he is a Piicasso at being a few a foul garnering artiste. He's a picasso. He does it better than anybody else. But it's really hard to sit there and go like I love watching this march to the free throw line, and I understand you can sit there again. Go Jordan and Bird and all these guys they used to go to the free throw line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free throw line or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid range, pull up really close to he's It's like talking on both sides of your mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Harden's an amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways, James Harden's a better player in his prime then Shay Gildas Alexander is, because Harden had some of the same foul drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and Chase he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special about him as a passer. Nothing's truly special about him. A three point shooter, he's unbelievable mid range and six feet in. It seems like he never misses. And then he has the ability to draw fouls. He's the best of these free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey, mj I mean again, the difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane where there were two guys, and and yeah sometimes there were phantom calls, no question, But what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm driving to the basket and then all of a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling down at the second of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get what the stats look like, but you can't. You can't fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable, hell as lovable as he is, right, Like, dude gets up there. And I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Westbrook was the the you know, the basketball is my only friend type deal. But but Kevin rant talked about his mom being the real MVP, and Shay Gills Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful, like this is not an indictment on him the person, really indictment on him, the player. It's an indictment on where we've gotten to. In an effort to make the game more offense friendly, the offense gets to dictate contact and all these other things. And now we've gotten to the place where the offense will intentionally make not just contact, but grab the defender in an effort to act like they're being grabbed, and yeah, I don't know how much you guys watched last night, but there was a point in the game where, you know, one of the Timboles players just pushed him, and then when they're drawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro, stop flopping, you know. And look, the story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a college style defense, right, really really pressuring the basketball. That's the other thing. Right, So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander, we put our hands anywhere near him, he grabs them and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. Hey, so it puts their hand on you, it's your hand. But you go from that to the other end where Oklahoma say's playing super physical on the ball defensively, and then what's called a loaded up defense just feet and hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're playing one on five or at least one on two more than one on one. There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams. It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you to make skip passes and skip passes into drives or skip passes into jump shots, and the Timbolves aren't doing it.

What I've Doug Gottliebin for Colin heard, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. So last night, Oklahoma City took a two game to non lead and stopping. You heard this before, but Shake Gilden Alexander dominant not just from the two but also from the one from the free throw line. What do you make thirteen out of fifteen free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable postgame. Obviously, considering all the hype and the desire to be kind of the next dude, has not yet looked like the next dude in these last two games. But I think I think here's the distinction that people need to make. This is a real thing. So when you go on social media, you'll get people who will say, who are you know, and and look, full disclosure, I have numerous friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I think they do a great job, and I love watching this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess. Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest highest variety, right, and and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated now as opposed to how it used to be officiated. And here's what I and and but here's the special distinction. Okay, Like I will see on social media people say Michael Jordan shot nine more frethrows the game, and he probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and they played the Detroit Pistons and what was called the Jordan rules, They would pummel him when he go to the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He wouldn't pass on that penetration. He try and win it on his own. And so yeah, he shot a lot of free thows. Michael Jordan shot a lot of frethos. Michael Jordan got calls. There's no question the difference in Jordan, Bird Magic, even Kobe Okay was what they didn't do was like this next step. It started with Harden with throwing the head back, but Shay will he falls down? I mean in game one, how many times did he fall down? And it's interesting, like you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, fouls. He falls down more than Joel Embiidho falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught. And he's great at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them so contact is made, and then throwing his hand up in his arm up and his head back and getting a foul like he is a Piicasso at being a few a foul garnering artiste. He's a picasso. He does it better than anybody else. But it's really hard to sit there and go like I love watching this march to the free throw line, and I understand you can sit there again. Go Jordan and Bird and all these guys they used to go to the free throw line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free throw line or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid range, pull up really close to he's It's like talking on both sides of your mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Harden's an amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways, James Harden's a better player in his prime then Shay Gildas Alexander is, because Harden had some of the same foul drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and Chase he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special about him as a passer. Nothing's truly special about him. A three point shooter, he's unbelievable mid range and six feet in. It seems like he never misses. And then he has the ability to draw fouls. He's the best of these free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey, mj I mean again, the difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane where there were two guys, and and yeah sometimes there were phantom calls, no question, But what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm driving to the basket and then all of a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling down at the second of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get what the stats look like, but you can't. You can't fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable, hell as lovable as he is, right, Like, dude gets up there. And I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Westbrook was the the you know, the basketball is my only friend type deal. But but Kevin rant talked about his mom being the real MVP, and Shay Gills Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful, like this is not an indictment on him the person, really indictment on him, the player. It's an indictment on where we've gotten to. In an effort to make the game more offense friendly, the offense gets to dictate contact and all these other things. And now we've gotten to the place where the offense will intentionally make not just contact, but grab the defender in an effort to act like they're being grabbed, and yeah, I don't know how much you guys watched last night, but there was a point in the game where, you know, one of the Timboles players just pushed him, and then when they're drawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro, stop flopping, you know. And look, the story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a college style defense, right, really really pressuring the basketball. That's the other thing. Right, So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander, we put our hands anywhere near him, he grabs them and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. Hey, so it puts their hand on you, it's your hand. But you go from that to the other end where Oklahoma say's playing super physical on the ball defensively, and then what's called a loaded up defense just feet and hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're playing one on five or at least one on two more than one on one. There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams. It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you to make skip passes and skip passes into drives or skip passes into jump shots, and the Timbolves aren't doing it.

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But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at each end, and again a lot of it is style. You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams have famously done, which is they foul on every play, with the idea that you can't call them all an unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession. So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also playing help orings defense. So even if you go by the guy that has his hands on you, they're forcing you to make that next pass. But it's really interesting that you're watching Shay and how he plays, and you know, I was at Game seven. I shared this on my show. It's Doug Gottliebin for Collin. It's the hurt Fox Sport tradio. I heart Radiop. I went to Game seven between the Nuggets and the Thunder, and I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right, It's like it really is like a college crowd. People ask what was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma State when you were there? It's that's what the crowd was like every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front of some guy who behind me. Every time jo Kids draws the valies like free throw march it, You're like, well, I I get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does throw his hands into people and do all kind of the classic ways to draw fowls. But you do know that Shay is like if if there's different rankings or different chess pieces, if Yokic is the king, then he's the queen. If Yokic is the queen, then he's the king of free throw merchant try. And I don't know if there's a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree, or if you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but he's got a doctorate. But it makes it really really hard. And it's also one of those things where the difference between now and the Jordan era is HTTV four K and how good the replays are where you're sitting there going like, yeah, I don't think he was actually touched and yet he fell down. You know, look, if the Thunder win the title, it probably doesn't matter. But this does feel like, do you guys remember when Dwayne Wade and the Dallas Mavericks beat the excuse me, Dayne Wade in the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, and it was just a constant march to the free throw line where it almost felt predetermined that the NBA wanted to make Dwayne Wade a star. I don't think that's what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting, adjusting the rules, and you're sitting there going, hey, the offensive player has all the benefits of these rules, so much so now that Shay is actually creating the contact, grabbing the other player, locking up his arm and then making it out is that that arm is grabbing him. This is you know, yesterday we talked about the tush push still being allowed. You know, they've gotten away from guys just throwing back their head and now Shay has taken it to another level where he kind of falls to the side and it's constantly making faces and noises even when he's not getting touched. I do wonder what adjustment they can make in terms of stylistically or rules wise, or emphasis wise and officiat in the future. It is that widely discussed, and I think it's because he's the best at it. He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey, coming up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is there any chance he changes teams? We'll discuss next in The Herd.

But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at each end, and again a lot of it is style. You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams have famously done, which is they foul on every play, with the idea that you can't call them all an unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession. So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also playing help orings defense. So even if you go by the guy that has his hands on you, they're forcing you to make that next pass. But it's really interesting that you're watching Shay and how he plays, and you know, I was at Game seven. I shared this on my show. It's Doug Gottliebin for Collin. It's the hurt Fox Sport tradio. I heart Radiop. I went to Game seven between the Nuggets and the Thunder, and I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right, It's like it really is like a college crowd. People ask what was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma State when you were there? It's that's what the crowd was like every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front of some guy who behind me. Every time jo Kids draws the valies like free throw march it, You're like, well, I I get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does throw his hands into people and do all kind of the classic ways to draw fowls. But you do know that Shay is like if if there's different rankings or different chess pieces, if Yokic is the king, then he's the queen. If Yokic is the queen, then he's the king of free throw merchant try. And I don't know if there's a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree, or if you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but he's got a doctorate. But it makes it really really hard. And it's also one of those things where the difference between now and the Jordan era is HTTV four K and how good the replays are where you're sitting there going like, yeah, I don't think he was actually touched and yet he fell down. You know, look, if the Thunder win the title, it probably doesn't matter. But this does feel like, do you guys remember when Dwayne Wade and the Dallas Mavericks beat the excuse me, Dayne Wade in the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, and it was just a constant march to the free throw line where it almost felt predetermined that the NBA wanted to make Dwayne Wade a star. I don't think that's what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting, adjusting the rules, and you're sitting there going, hey, the offensive player has all the benefits of these rules, so much so now that Shay is actually creating the contact, grabbing the other player, locking up his arm and then making it out is that that arm is grabbing him. This is you know, yesterday we talked about the tush push still being allowed. You know, they've gotten away from guys just throwing back their head and now Shay has taken it to another level where he kind of falls to the side and it's constantly making faces and noises even when he's not getting touched. I do wonder what adjustment they can make in terms of stylistically or rules wise, or emphasis wise and officiat in the future. It is that widely discussed, and I think it's because he's the best at it. He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey, coming up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is there any chance he changes teams? We'll discuss next in The Herd.

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Up, It's The Herd. Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in, I got the Weird heard line News Soria a little bit more on the tush Bush still being allowed guests, who says, Hey, tuish bush cool play not using it because I'm just a man, new head coach in the NFL. We'll get to that. It's in about twenty minutes. Plus Mike Malone, who he was kind of feeling himself a little bit as doing some ESPN analysis, he happened to say that Shay Gildas Alexander should be the MVP. Now he's backpedaling faster than Dione used to backpedal. Is the best cornerback of all time. There's a lot to get to. Mark Dominical join us. We'll ask him about brock Perty's new contract. In brock Purty saying he's a top ten quarterback in the NFL. It's like brock Purty is a is a radio producer or a TV segment producer. Hey, I'm top ten quarterback in the NFL. You know everybody loves their lists. Let me start with this though, So technically, Lebron James has a player option. Right, a player option, so he can not sign or out his player option, become a free agent and essentially pick where he wants to go. Right, But Lebron James at forty years old, well, his options are kind of limited. Nonetheless, Rich Paul, his agent, was on the Rich Eisen Show and he asked about Lebron's upcoming player option this this offseason.

Up, It's The Herd. Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in, I got the Weird heard line News Soria a little bit more on the tush Bush still being allowed guests, who says, Hey, tuish bush cool play not using it because I'm just a man, new head coach in the NFL. We'll get to that. It's in about twenty minutes. Plus Mike Malone, who he was kind of feeling himself a little bit as doing some ESPN analysis, he happened to say that Shay Gildas Alexander should be the MVP. Now he's backpedaling faster than Dione used to backpedal. Is the best cornerback of all time. There's a lot to get to. Mark Dominical join us. We'll ask him about brock Perty's new contract. In brock Purty saying he's a top ten quarterback in the NFL. It's like brock Purty is a is a radio producer or a TV segment producer. Hey, I'm top ten quarterback in the NFL. You know everybody loves their lists. Let me start with this though, So technically, Lebron James has a player option. Right, a player option, so he can not sign or out his player option, become a free agent and essentially pick where he wants to go. Right, But Lebron James at forty years old, well, his options are kind of limited. Nonetheless, Rich Paul, his agent, was on the Rich Eisen Show and he asked about Lebron's upcoming player option this this offseason.

I think they've been on pins and needles for a while. I think I don't know about that, though I wish I had the answer, Rich, I don't know.

I think they've been on pins and needles for a while. I think I don't know about that, though I wish I had the answer, Rich, I don't know.

So you don't have conversations with him about how much longer he wanted to Okay it.

So you don't have conversations with him about how much longer he wanted to Okay it.

No, I don't have I don't have conversations like that. I just I go into each year like he's continued to play. I never even like talk about that. I don't talk about that. Well, I mean, you are his agent and his best friend. So look, we can just cut to the brass tacks. Lebron's not going anywhere, right.

No, I don't have I don't have conversations like that. I just I go into each year like he's continued to play. I never even like talk about that. I don't talk about that. Well, I mean, you are his agent and his best friend. So look, we can just cut to the brass tacks. Lebron's not going anywhere, right.

They just drafted his son, and I'm sure he wants to leverage some of whatever farewell tour he has to potentially draft his other son, Bryce was gonna be a freshman year Zona. I'm sure that's probably part of the weight on his mind. Right, Is this the last year? Or do I wait another year and make that the last year? And we could act like a Lebron he could just walk away at any time. But does anyone think that a guy who has gotten and honestly earned as much attention as he as he's gotten, Like we can sit there and say a lot of these things are attention getting things, But I mean, have we seen a guy play as consistently well for twenty years in the NBA. No, No, is he as good as he used to be. No, but to those of us who remember Kareem playing at forty, he was much more of a shell of his former incredible self. So again, I'm not I'm not the guy that's sitting there hating on Lebron telling you, oh my god, Lebron wants attention. Like, look, when you've gotten this much attention since you were sixteen years old, and you've lived up to and probably exceeded anybody's reasonable expectations for what you could do or how well you could do it, or how long you could do it, how well you could do it, You're gonna get a bunch of attention. And it's a really, really hard lifestyle to get out of. It just is. But but if we're honest, he's not going anywhere, and he's not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement celebration. You know, I Kareem wants far less attention. Yet Kareem did the whole tour after becoming the all time leading scorer in the game. Lebron likes the attention, likes it again, And you can sit there and go o he Lebron or whatever like No, I just don't know anybody who would just dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away attention to his private life, to his off off court conversation. So he wants attention to that. So you know, he's got his production company, that's his little baby. He makes, makes movies and does documentaries out of it. All great. All that requires attention that hey we have this here, and you get that through Lebron James getting attention. But I mean, this is like a nonsensical question. You know, he's got a player option because if he really, really really wanted to win in LA, he would go, hey, here's what we'll do. Let's opt out of this, sign a minimal deal or a small deal over a couple of years, and then let's go go to work and go get me some guys that can play some defense. I don't you know. And when he talked about when Rich talks about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like, is that is that what you need? Is that? Because that's that's obviously leverage that why would you do this? You would only do it is if you want to have some sort of power order the organization that you play for, right, and he used and he wielded that power to get them to draft Bronnie and play Bronnie way above the level of his competency at the time which he was drafted. And whether Bronnie becomes a full time NBA player and a guy who's a reasonable rotation player is has actually nothing to do with the farce that took place last offseason. Because last off season we were told there's also there was multiple teams interested there weren't you know? You had JJ Reddick in one of his first press conferences saying he earned he earned where he was drafted. He didn't. Again, it doesn't mean that you can't draft a guy. You're allowed to draft a guy and say, hey, you know he went through a hard issue. He had a hard first year at USC, but we see the futures being bright. But sit there and go like, well he earned it, like doing what? But nonetheless, that was all because lebron has power and leveraged it, and he's like, look, I don't want to leave LA, but I also want to help raise my kid, coach my kids, see my kid grow. You guys are going to draft him he'll play some with us in some of the G League travel with him. It'll be awesome experience. And I'm sure for Brownie it probably was outside of a lot of the yachting on it. And for Lebron too, Right, Yeah, some of that stuff, you know, strikes close to home and really hurt him. But when he zooms out, he's like, I got to spend a whole year with my son in and out of the NBA probably wants to do with Bryce. Whether that Brice isn't even as good as Brownie, so he has power. He's trying to leverage that power. That's the only reason for doing it, because at some point you start talking about this stuff and guys just rolling their eyes, like he's not going to retire without a without a proper sendoff. The league wouldn't want him to do that either. And we can act like the league is, well, it's like something nefarious from the league. It's not. It's not. The league could have done with Jordan. They would have done it with Jordan, but with Lebron. I mean is that they don't want to kill the Golden Goose. They want him around as long as possible. They just want to keep milking it and you can sit there and go like, I'm tired of Lebron. But if it comes out and Lebron says, hey, this is my retirement tour, You're going and gobbling up those tickets. You're going to watch TV a lot more because it's Lebron. He's Haley's comment. It ain't coming around for another eighty seven years. By the way, Jays, dude, you think people who are like under forty get the Haley's comment reference. I feel like that's a really dated our age reference of Haley's comment because Haley's comment hasn't been around in like forty years and won't be around for another forty years, And unless you were a kid or adult live through it, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

They just drafted his son, and I'm sure he wants to leverage some of whatever farewell tour he has to potentially draft his other son, Bryce was gonna be a freshman year Zona. I'm sure that's probably part of the weight on his mind. Right, Is this the last year? Or do I wait another year and make that the last year? And we could act like a Lebron he could just walk away at any time. But does anyone think that a guy who has gotten and honestly earned as much attention as he as he's gotten, Like we can sit there and say a lot of these things are attention getting things, But I mean, have we seen a guy play as consistently well for twenty years in the NBA. No, No, is he as good as he used to be. No, but to those of us who remember Kareem playing at forty, he was much more of a shell of his former incredible self. So again, I'm not I'm not the guy that's sitting there hating on Lebron telling you, oh my god, Lebron wants attention. Like, look, when you've gotten this much attention since you were sixteen years old, and you've lived up to and probably exceeded anybody's reasonable expectations for what you could do or how well you could do it, or how long you could do it, how well you could do it, You're gonna get a bunch of attention. And it's a really, really hard lifestyle to get out of. It just is. But but if we're honest, he's not going anywhere, and he's not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement celebration. You know, I Kareem wants far less attention. Yet Kareem did the whole tour after becoming the all time leading scorer in the game. Lebron likes the attention, likes it again, And you can sit there and go o he Lebron or whatever like No, I just don't know anybody who would just dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away attention to his private life, to his off off court conversation. So he wants attention to that. So you know, he's got his production company, that's his little baby. He makes, makes movies and does documentaries out of it. All great. All that requires attention that hey we have this here, and you get that through Lebron James getting attention. But I mean, this is like a nonsensical question. You know, he's got a player option because if he really, really really wanted to win in LA, he would go, hey, here's what we'll do. Let's opt out of this, sign a minimal deal or a small deal over a couple of years, and then let's go go to work and go get me some guys that can play some defense. I don't you know. And when he talked about when Rich talks about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like, is that is that what you need? Is that? Because that's that's obviously leverage that why would you do this? You would only do it is if you want to have some sort of power order the organization that you play for, right, and he used and he wielded that power to get them to draft Bronnie and play Bronnie way above the level of his competency at the time which he was drafted. And whether Bronnie becomes a full time NBA player and a guy who's a reasonable rotation player is has actually nothing to do with the farce that took place last offseason. Because last off season we were told there's also there was multiple teams interested there weren't you know? You had JJ Reddick in one of his first press conferences saying he earned he earned where he was drafted. He didn't. Again, it doesn't mean that you can't draft a guy. You're allowed to draft a guy and say, hey, you know he went through a hard issue. He had a hard first year at USC, but we see the futures being bright. But sit there and go like, well he earned it, like doing what? But nonetheless, that was all because lebron has power and leveraged it, and he's like, look, I don't want to leave LA, but I also want to help raise my kid, coach my kids, see my kid grow. You guys are going to draft him he'll play some with us in some of the G League travel with him. It'll be awesome experience. And I'm sure for Brownie it probably was outside of a lot of the yachting on it. And for Lebron too, Right, Yeah, some of that stuff, you know, strikes close to home and really hurt him. But when he zooms out, he's like, I got to spend a whole year with my son in and out of the NBA probably wants to do with Bryce. Whether that Brice isn't even as good as Brownie, so he has power. He's trying to leverage that power. That's the only reason for doing it, because at some point you start talking about this stuff and guys just rolling their eyes, like he's not going to retire without a without a proper sendoff. The league wouldn't want him to do that either. And we can act like the league is, well, it's like something nefarious from the league. It's not. It's not. The league could have done with Jordan. They would have done it with Jordan, but with Lebron. I mean is that they don't want to kill the Golden Goose. They want him around as long as possible. They just want to keep milking it and you can sit there and go like, I'm tired of Lebron. But if it comes out and Lebron says, hey, this is my retirement tour, You're going and gobbling up those tickets. You're going to watch TV a lot more because it's Lebron. He's Haley's comment. It ain't coming around for another eighty seven years. By the way, Jays, dude, you think people who are like under forty get the Haley's comment reference. I feel like that's a really dated our age reference of Haley's comment because Haley's comment hasn't been around in like forty years and won't be around for another forty years, And unless you were a kid or adult live through it, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

I think it's I think it's a pretty tangible reference for any educated generation. But I guess that's saying a lot. That's assuming that our kids are being educated.

I think it's I think it's a pretty tangible reference for any educated generation. But I guess that's saying a lot. That's assuming that our kids are being educated.

Yeah, I start making Is there a TikTok on Haley's comment? Is there an Instagram reel on Haley's comment?

Yeah, I start making Is there a TikTok on Haley's comment? Is there an Instagram reel on Haley's comment?

You'll get You'll get the first ten TikTok results will be Haley was it? What's a what's Hilly Bieber. No, the Haley is the wife of the Bills quarterback what's her name? Seinfeld Seenfeld Ryan Smith here is a big Marvel fan. She was one of the Marvel characters. Steinfeld Seinfeld. There he goes, Seinfeld, go pass all the Hailey Stein Carls s.

You'll get You'll get the first ten TikTok results will be Haley was it? What's a what's Hilly Bieber. No, the Haley is the wife of the Bills quarterback what's her name? Seinfeld Seenfeld Ryan Smith here is a big Marvel fan. She was one of the Marvel characters. Steinfeld Seinfeld. There he goes, Seinfeld, go pass all the Hailey Stein Carls s.

Yeah, there's a lot of other Haley's. A matter of fact, there is kind of a rush on Haley's that are older teenagers. Right, that's a that's a big name. Maybe that came from our generation. And Haley's comment and saying, hey, I kind of like this name Haley. Who is the first to name their kid Aiden? Because I know fifteen aidents who are under twenty. I don't know anybody over twenty named Maiden. I just want to point that out.

Yeah, there's a lot of other Haley's. A matter of fact, there is kind of a rush on Haley's that are older teenagers. Right, that's a that's a big name. Maybe that came from our generation. And Haley's comment and saying, hey, I kind of like this name Haley. Who is the first to name their kid Aiden? Because I know fifteen aidents who are under twenty. I don't know anybody over twenty named Maiden. I just want to point that out.

Speaking thing one thing about this. So, it was a little less than a year ago we all witnessed that ruse, that circus where the Lakers tried to convince the public that Browny was a legitimate draft prospect. Sure, and then they they drafted him and said that he earned it, and then they you know, they signed, they gave him the guaranteed deal for a second round pick. You're saying to me that Lebron would compel a historic franchise like the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and lie to the public and then not come back after one year. I mean, isn't doesn't he have? Doesn't he does he owe the Lakers something for that massive favor of being able to play with his son and do that thing where he invited the Griffies in and nobody cared but him, doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one more season?

Speaking thing one thing about this. So, it was a little less than a year ago we all witnessed that ruse, that circus where the Lakers tried to convince the public that Browny was a legitimate draft prospect. Sure, and then they they drafted him and said that he earned it, and then they you know, they signed, they gave him the guaranteed deal for a second round pick. You're saying to me that Lebron would compel a historic franchise like the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and lie to the public and then not come back after one year. I mean, isn't doesn't he have? Doesn't he does he owe the Lakers something for that massive favor of being able to play with his son and do that thing where he invited the Griffies in and nobody cared but him, doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one more season?

I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality is yes. But in terms of Lebron, does he think he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes. I just don't. And and you know what, he might have a little bit of a point, right, because he has He didn't play every game, but from fourty years old a game a lot, and he does compete to win, and he is a gigantic name. So does he owe it to them? Of course he owes it to them. But again you're looking at this as a non parent, rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them and been told they could do no wrong like he went. He had his show called The Shop right, which was the barber shop, and he actually sued Nick Saban because they had a similar show, because he believed he invented barbershop conversation being recorded, like what what do you think? The essence of first take is what are we even talking about? But when you live in a world where everybody just says, hey, whatever you say, King, it's really hard to tell if up is up and down is down. And so yeah, if it's me, if my son, who's not clearly qualified even close to as his son is, Hey, dude, we're gonna draft you in the second round and give you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful. It's the type of thing that you do for a life long friend. Man, that's a real solid. I truly appreciate it. If there's ever a way I can I can help you, you know, return the favor you just ask. That's how normal reasonable relationships to It's not a quid pro quo. You take care of me, I take care of you. It's like, Hey, that's a real solid. I appreciate it. I feel so close to the Lakers organization. That's just not what we've heard come out of Lebron or come out of Rich Paul an example, Hey, they're they're on what do you say? They're on eggs shells? Why are they on eggshells? Like you're his agent, you're his best friend. They did a ma solid like, Look, the Lakers are completely lockstep with Lebron. They know everything he wants to do. They've done right by him. He's going to do right by them. They'll come to a mutual desistant. But that's not what you hear. That's not what you hear.

I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality is yes. But in terms of Lebron, does he think he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes. I just don't. And and you know what, he might have a little bit of a point, right, because he has He didn't play every game, but from fourty years old a game a lot, and he does compete to win, and he is a gigantic name. So does he owe it to them? Of course he owes it to them. But again you're looking at this as a non parent, rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them and been told they could do no wrong like he went. He had his show called The Shop right, which was the barber shop, and he actually sued Nick Saban because they had a similar show, because he believed he invented barbershop conversation being recorded, like what what do you think? The essence of first take is what are we even talking about? But when you live in a world where everybody just says, hey, whatever you say, King, it's really hard to tell if up is up and down is down. And so yeah, if it's me, if my son, who's not clearly qualified even close to as his son is, Hey, dude, we're gonna draft you in the second round and give you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful. It's the type of thing that you do for a life long friend. Man, that's a real solid. I truly appreciate it. If there's ever a way I can I can help you, you know, return the favor you just ask. That's how normal reasonable relationships to It's not a quid pro quo. You take care of me, I take care of you. It's like, Hey, that's a real solid. I appreciate it. I feel so close to the Lakers organization. That's just not what we've heard come out of Lebron or come out of Rich Paul an example, Hey, they're they're on what do you say? They're on eggs shells? Why are they on eggshells? Like you're his agent, you're his best friend. They did a ma solid like, Look, the Lakers are completely lockstep with Lebron. They know everything he wants to do. They've done right by him. He's going to do right by them. They'll come to a mutual desistant. But that's not what you hear. That's not what you hear.

You hear.

You hear.

I don't know they wait on eggshells. He's got a lot of options. No, he doesn't. His option is come back and play, figure out how he wants to play, how they can go and get you know, legit defenders to go along with their their best three players. We're all offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup or championship roster. And if he wants it to be his last year, give him the heads up. It's his last year so that the whole league can do the proper celebration. And if you want to push back on a proper celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that, Like, look, Lebron, James will Is it nine straight NBA finals, four titles. He's in any conversations the greats of all time, and he's done it for a long time. And I continue to say this. If the worst thing that he's done is forced the Lakers to draft Brownie and play him and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't that bad. Most other superstars have done far worse, far worse, and especially off the court, there's never been a whisper of anything. So I've Doug Gotlieben for Colin coming up in the Herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season. Are you ready for another season of the tush Push? We'll get into that next in the Herd.

I don't know they wait on eggshells. He's got a lot of options. No, he doesn't. His option is come back and play, figure out how he wants to play, how they can go and get you know, legit defenders to go along with their their best three players. We're all offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup or championship roster. And if he wants it to be his last year, give him the heads up. It's his last year so that the whole league can do the proper celebration. And if you want to push back on a proper celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that, Like, look, Lebron, James will Is it nine straight NBA finals, four titles. He's in any conversations the greats of all time, and he's done it for a long time. And I continue to say this. If the worst thing that he's done is forced the Lakers to draft Brownie and play him and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't that bad. Most other superstars have done far worse, far worse, and especially off the court, there's never been a whisper of anything. So I've Doug Gotlieben for Colin coming up in the Herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season. Are you ready for another season of the tush Push? We'll get into that next in the Herd.

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Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. This is the Herd Zone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend, Mark, let me let me ask you why why would have Ben Johnson say I like explosive plays instead of the toush push?

Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. This is the Herd Zone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend, Mark, let me let me ask you why why would have Ben Johnson say I like explosive plays instead of the toush push?

Oh?

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I think it just sounds good, right, it's for the fans, right, It's it's kind of the what you were just talking about. It's like, I can I can create something that's more dynamic and more exciting than the toush push, which is you know, uh, I guess a play that you know everybody knows is coming when it gets lined up. So I gotta think that's the whole reason. He's just trying again to state that he can create explosive plays and fans want that.

I think it just sounds good, right, it's for the fans, right, It's it's kind of the what you were just talking about. It's like, I can I can create something that's more dynamic and more exciting than the toush push, which is you know, uh, I guess a play that you know everybody knows is coming when it gets lined up. So I gotta think that's the whole reason. He's just trying again to state that he can create explosive plays and fans want that.

There there are two votes away, so again, how long do you think this play lasts?

There there are two votes away, so again, how long do you think this play lasts?

I hope they don't get it. I think the play should last.

I hope they don't get it. I think the play should last.

I mean, it's unique that the Philadelpha Eagles are the only ones that are really good at it, right, And that's and there's a lot to be said about you know, they're timing and everything coming together, and you've touched briefly about it. You know, Cam Jurgen's comes in there, and now's the starting center built completely different than Kelsey, but a very powerful maler but just you know, a much more higher cut guy where Kelsey is a lower cut, you know, quick twitch, and they had no problem with it because Scam can move mountains. He's a powerful kid. I don't think you should out lot. I think it is what it is, and you know, I think you just got to figure out how to stop it or slow it down. And if you can't do it, then push, push stage, get him in third and you know, three not third and one.

I mean, it's unique that the Philadelpha Eagles are the only ones that are really good at it, right, And that's and there's a lot to be said about you know, they're timing and everything coming together, and you've touched briefly about it. You know, Cam Jurgen's comes in there, and now's the starting center built completely different than Kelsey, but a very powerful maler but just you know, a much more higher cut guy where Kelsey is a lower cut, you know, quick twitch, and they had no problem with it because Scam can move mountains. He's a powerful kid. I don't think you should out lot. I think it is what it is, and you know, I think you just got to figure out how to stop it or slow it down. And if you can't do it, then push, push stage, get him in third and you know, three not third and one.

Mark Domins our guest, you're on in the heard. I'm Doug Gottley Pavilion for Colin rock Perty's deal. How does the GM look at it?

Mark Domins our guest, you're on in the heard. I'm Doug Gottley Pavilion for Colin rock Perty's deal. How does the GM look at it?

Well, I think it's I think it's not surprising. I think you and I had been talking about I was hoping, you know, this would come in forty five to fifty with incentives, and it comes in around fifty two. I don't think it's a shocking deal to any general manager. I think they all kind of look at it like, you know, that's just what the rate is, and obviously he's getting less than the starting rate quote unquote for every club. I think it's somewhat of a fair deal across the board. I think it's certainly a good narrative for brock Pertty and you know, being mister irrelevant to now signing this deal, to seeing what else is in his chapter of his NFL career, but it's also you know, brock Perty's you know, it's not I need the entire bag and I want to bank and this all and that it's a good that I think that the forty nine ers still have a little wiggle room with their roster even though they just did a contract extension with a quarterback, yeah.

Well, I think it's I think it's not surprising. I think you and I had been talking about I was hoping, you know, this would come in forty five to fifty with incentives, and it comes in around fifty two. I don't think it's a shocking deal to any general manager. I think they all kind of look at it like, you know, that's just what the rate is, and obviously he's getting less than the starting rate quote unquote for every club. I think it's somewhat of a fair deal across the board. I think it's certainly a good narrative for brock Pertty and you know, being mister irrelevant to now signing this deal, to seeing what else is in his chapter of his NFL career, but it's also you know, brock Perty's you know, it's not I need the entire bag and I want to bank and this all and that it's a good that I think that the forty nine ers still have a little wiggle room with their roster even though they just did a contract extension with a quarterback, yeah.

And also did one with Fred Warner. What are your thoughts on the guys they let go, because one of the thoughts I had was some of those guys they didn't really want back, like Deebo Samuel. I don't think they wanted Deebo Samuel back anyway, but they made it a casualty of the Brock party thing, and it made it much more convenient. What are your thoughts on the percentage of those guys name guys that they had to part ways with that they are really kind of over anyway, and this just allowed them to do so well.

And also did one with Fred Warner. What are your thoughts on the guys they let go, because one of the thoughts I had was some of those guys they didn't really want back, like Deebo Samuel. I don't think they wanted Deebo Samuel back anyway, but they made it a casualty of the Brock party thing, and it made it much more convenient. What are your thoughts on the percentage of those guys name guys that they had to part ways with that they are really kind of over anyway, and this just allowed them to do so well.

I think Deebo I agree with you.

I think Deebo I agree with you.

I think Deebo was give or take basically the Deebo's frustration. Sometimes we've talked about how I feel very strong about what Ricky.

I think Deebo was give or take basically the Deebo's frustration. Sometimes we've talked about how I feel very strong about what Ricky.

Pierce I was going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw was one they didn't want to let go. I think that one hurt.

Pierce I was going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw was one they didn't want to let go. I think that one hurt.

I think that they really love that kid and what he's been able to do and what he's all been through.

I think that they really love that kid and what he's been able to do and what he's all been through.

I think those are the ones where it kind of burns is a little bit. I bet you for.

I think those are the ones where it kind of burns is a little bit. I bet you for.

John Lynch, certainly for coach Shanahan to lose a guy that's, you know, been a warrior four years since you had them. So I think those hurt that. You know that that's just part of the game, and so they had to make these tough decisions with guys that they do, like, you know, Aaron Banks went out and broke, you know, crushed it in Green Bay with a huge contract. Would they like to have Aaron. I'm sure they would have, But I think they realized, hey, look, there's only so many things we can do, and you know, there are certain positions we can't pay, and it's going to be hard.

John Lynch, certainly for coach Shanahan to lose a guy that's, you know, been a warrior four years since you had them. So I think those hurt that. You know that that's just part of the game, and so they had to make these tough decisions with guys that they do, like, you know, Aaron Banks went out and broke, you know, crushed it in Green Bay with a huge contract. Would they like to have Aaron. I'm sure they would have, But I think they realized, hey, look, there's only so many things we can do, and you know, there are certain positions we can't pay, and it's going to be hard.

You know, Dominic Poney came in and played really good at guard. It's hard to pay.

You know, Dominic Poney came in and played really good at guard. It's hard to pay.

Guards in the Nation Football where you're paying your tackles. It's hard to pay linebackers in the Nation Football when you're paying your quarterback.

Guards in the Nation Football where you're paying your tackles. It's hard to pay linebackers in the Nation Football when you're paying your quarterback.

And so they went to the positions that I think are always going to get.

And so they went to the positions that I think are always going to get.

A little bit more dinged or you can't pay as many guys, and that's linebacker, that's safety, that's running back badly, and that's in tier offensive line.

A little bit more dinged or you can't pay as many guys, and that's linebacker, that's safety, that's running back badly, and that's in tier offensive line.

You can't pay three guys inside.

You can't pay three guys inside.

We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints. Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and with the quarterback play they seem to have.

We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints. Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and with the quarterback play they seem to have.

I know, it's a you know, it's a it's a tough job for coach Moore. Uh, you know, the personnel there and the cap has been hard. It feels like an angst bag over your head this year for them. I'm I'm afraid. I just I think the other teams, even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are you know, trying to improve the roster, working on getting the better and stronger roster, certainly be with the wide receiver room. That's the way it is set down in Carolina. Uh, this is a team that I just I don't feel confident in the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth you know you're you've got the worst quarterback of the four teams in your division. That makes for a really long year. And I think that's what the SAME's fans have to endure.

I know, it's a you know, it's a it's a tough job for coach Moore. Uh, you know, the personnel there and the cap has been hard. It feels like an angst bag over your head this year for them. I'm I'm afraid. I just I think the other teams, even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are you know, trying to improve the roster, working on getting the better and stronger roster, certainly be with the wide receiver room. That's the way it is set down in Carolina. Uh, this is a team that I just I don't feel confident in the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth you know you're you've got the worst quarterback of the four teams in your division. That makes for a really long year. And I think that's what the SAME's fans have to endure.

What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with you know, they got got four quarterbacks plus Deshaun, but Deshawn's had multiple achilles, so I mean the likelihood of him to ever taken a step again isn't great. But what what how is that handled? What's the progression like in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities when you have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects like like Flacco and like Trubisky and then the two rookies.

What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with you know, they got got four quarterbacks plus Deshaun, but Deshawn's had multiple achilles, so I mean the likelihood of him to ever taken a step again isn't great. But what what how is that handled? What's the progression like in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities when you have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects like like Flacco and like Trubisky and then the two rookies.

It's weird.

It's weird.

I mean you look at Flacco and I would guess that he's going to.

I mean you look at Flacco and I would guess that he's going to.

Get the least.

Get the least.

I mean, he may get first team reps. I know they talked about Kenny Pickett getting first team reps.

I mean, he may get first team reps. I know they talked about Kenny Pickett getting first team reps.

Uh that's a picket.

Uh that's a picket.

Sorry, I said, it's all right.

Sorry, I said, it's all right.

We talk a lot of sports, which sometimes you're allowed to get a name mixed uff. So you know, Kenny Pickett I think is you know, probably just going to get an opportunity. What's going to happen is Joe Blacko is going to be the one that probably doesn't see as much preseason work, doesn't see he'll still get the work.

We talk a lot of sports, which sometimes you're allowed to get a name mixed uff. So you know, Kenny Pickett I think is you know, probably just going to get an opportunity. What's going to happen is Joe Blacko is going to be the one that probably doesn't see as much preseason work, doesn't see he'll still get the work.

But they don't need to see a lot out of Joe Blaco.

But they don't need to see a lot out of Joe Blaco.

I don't think they need to find out these young three to see if they like any of them more than the other. And this will be a chance for Shadu or saying with Dylan and Kenny Pickett. I think that they're going to spread it around. They may start each one of those young guys as a starter in the preseason game, just to give him the start out of the tunnel and say what do you look like? Uh, But certainly it's hard, you know, you get all these reps right now, and certainly Camps is going to be the heart and part the stuff we don't get to see the classroom. The the ability to you know, regarditate what's going on, you know, in in the classroom and be able to you know, see how they can parlay that to the field. It's going to be the big difference for all three of these guys, and to see how they can do that. Canny Picketts weaknesses his arm strength and I don't know if he can fix that. Gabriel you know, to me there's a little bit of an accuracy thing.

I don't think they need to find out these young three to see if they like any of them more than the other. And this will be a chance for Shadu or saying with Dylan and Kenny Pickett. I think that they're going to spread it around. They may start each one of those young guys as a starter in the preseason game, just to give him the start out of the tunnel and say what do you look like? Uh, But certainly it's hard, you know, you get all these reps right now, and certainly Camps is going to be the heart and part the stuff we don't get to see the classroom. The the ability to you know, regarditate what's going on, you know, in in the classroom and be able to you know, see how they can parlay that to the field. It's going to be the big difference for all three of these guys, and to see how they can do that. Canny Picketts weaknesses his arm strength and I don't know if he can fix that. Gabriel you know, to me there's a little bit of an accuracy thing.

And Shador, you know, he seems to be handling everything very well right now.

And Shador, you know, he seems to be handling everything very well right now.

I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying, So I think it's pretty open there.

I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying, So I think it's pretty open there.

Yeah, it's it's a fascinating one. Okay, if you're in Pittsburgh, how long how much longer do you give Aaron Rodgers to make a call in this deal?

Yeah, it's it's a fascinating one. Okay, if you're in Pittsburgh, how long how much longer do you give Aaron Rodgers to make a call in this deal?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I really want Aaron there for the Veteran Mini camp, Doug. I need him there by then to kind of at least take the reins, have the playbook under your velfare, you know, even over the weekend, and just go out there be around the players before you come back to camp and show up. I think that's really kind of my drop dead time. And so I think he's got, you know, a couple of weeks left here before you know, Phisburgh has their Veteran Mini camp, and I would think that that's what they're waiting on.

I really want Aaron there for the Veteran Mini camp, Doug. I need him there by then to kind of at least take the reins, have the playbook under your velfare, you know, even over the weekend, and just go out there be around the players before you come back to camp and show up. I think that's really kind of my drop dead time. And so I think he's got, you know, a couple of weeks left here before you know, Phisburgh has their Veteran Mini camp, and I would think that that's what they're waiting on.

You're in the You're your same position you have with Tampa, only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out, the book that's come out with Seth Seth bick or Sham'm talking about Katle Williams in the draft process where he said, you know, or his dad said, that's where quarterbacks go to die, you want to be a Viking? Obviously they have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system and probably better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good. You don't ever say you want to be a Viking when you're a bear. Well, what's the conversation like between GM and starting quarterback?

You're in the You're your same position you have with Tampa, only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out, the book that's come out with Seth Seth bick or Sham'm talking about Katle Williams in the draft process where he said, you know, or his dad said, that's where quarterbacks go to die, you want to be a Viking? Obviously they have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system and probably better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good. You don't ever say you want to be a Viking when you're a bear. Well, what's the conversation like between GM and starting quarterback?

Well, I think.

Well, I think.

I think it's it's GM and and father is what I really would start with. You know, I left the quarterback. You don't like to let the quarterback handle with the head coach, and then like coach Johnson talked to him knowing that, you know, we would talk first, and then I would I would call, you know, the father. I mean obviously have a conversation with him about like what are we what are we trying to accomplish here? Like what's the goal?

I think it's it's GM and and father is what I really would start with. You know, I left the quarterback. You don't like to let the quarterback handle with the head coach, and then like coach Johnson talked to him knowing that, you know, we would talk first, and then I would I would call, you know, the father. I mean obviously have a conversation with him about like what are we what are we trying to accomplish here? Like what's the goal?

What do you want?

What do you want?

Because you're making it harder and there's no reason to make it any harder on your son. That's all you're doing now, you're creating even more fan disappointment. If he struggles, it's going to be even harder for him, you know. And so that's the conversation. I'd be happy with the dads, Like we just need to dial everything down. He just needs to go out there, say the right things, do the right things. We've done everything we can for your son. In terms of offensive line, I feel like it's as good it's ever been. But you know, I think it's more of a conversation with the dad, and I think the coach handles the player.

Because you're making it harder and there's no reason to make it any harder on your son. That's all you're doing now, you're creating even more fan disappointment. If he struggles, it's going to be even harder for him, you know. And so that's the conversation. I'd be happy with the dads, Like we just need to dial everything down. He just needs to go out there, say the right things, do the right things. We've done everything we can for your son. In terms of offensive line, I feel like it's as good it's ever been. But you know, I think it's more of a conversation with the dad, and I think the coach handles the player.

Let's circle back. Mark Dominick, our guest here in the heard, I'm Doug Gottlie Chillian for Colin rock Perty said he's a top ten quarterback? Is he right.

Let's circle back. Mark Dominick, our guest here in the heard, I'm Doug Gottlie Chillian for Colin rock Perty said he's a top ten quarterback? Is he right.

As a winner? I'd say yes. As a As a tools, I would say no. You know, I think I think if you sit there and say, okay, just give me the winners, I want the guys that are the best of the best, and show me what that looks like. You know, I think he's in that top ten conversation when you think about quarterbacks and like he's the best quarterback. You know, I think you have to personally, even though you know Jayden Daniels, you know mahomes Alan, you can start going down to some of these guys. Lamar Jackson obviously, you know, Justin Herbert.

As a winner? I'd say yes. As a As a tools, I would say no. You know, I think I think if you sit there and say, okay, just give me the winners, I want the guys that are the best of the best, and show me what that looks like. You know, I think he's in that top ten conversation when you think about quarterbacks and like he's the best quarterback. You know, I think you have to personally, even though you know Jayden Daniels, you know mahomes Alan, you can start going down to some of these guys. Lamar Jackson obviously, you know, Justin Herbert.

Or Jordan Love.

Or Jordan Love.

It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the top ten, but I think he's very close. But as a winner, I think he's a top ten quarterback.

It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the top ten, but I think he's very close. But as a winner, I think he's a top ten quarterback.

Well is that the goal of the whole thing? I mean, that's that's where I'm I'm trying, like, I'll give you I'll just a question. Okay, start at zero, Justin Herbert or brock Perdy.

Well is that the goal of the whole thing? I mean, that's that's where I'm I'm trying, like, I'll give you I'll just a question. Okay, start at zero, Justin Herbert or brock Perdy.

I will take Justin Herbert still.

I will take Justin Herbert still.

Okay, and all those other quarterbacks we established established previously, right, you're talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, whatever, Marjin Yeah, yeah, but I do think the difference is like, well they already have been San Francisco, so it's we make it out like you got to choose. But he's he's very much on the board there. But again, so in terms of winner, you're talking about intangibles, whereas he doesn't have the tangibles of a top ten quarterback. Is that fair?

Okay, and all those other quarterbacks we established established previously, right, you're talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, whatever, Marjin Yeah, yeah, but I do think the difference is like, well they already have been San Francisco, so it's we make it out like you got to choose. But he's he's very much on the board there. But again, so in terms of winner, you're talking about intangibles, whereas he doesn't have the tangibles of a top ten quarterback. Is that fair?

That's exactly right. That's how I feel.

That's exactly right. That's how I feel.

And then that's the only thing that keeps him Like do you sit there and say Jalen hurt or a himn You know there's part that maybe he.

And then that's the only thing that keeps him Like do you sit there and say Jalen hurt or a himn You know there's part that maybe he.

Does better than Jalen, but there's Jalen has.

Does better than Jalen, but there's Jalen has.

Been a great winner, you know, since he's been in there. You know, Jay Daniels, maybe it's a little early to crown him up there and put him that high, but what he was able to accomplish with that Washington roster in his rookie season, it's hard for me not to put him in that conversation with those guys.

Been a great winner, you know, since he's been in there. You know, Jay Daniels, maybe it's a little early to crown him up there and put him that high, but what he was able to accomplish with that Washington roster in his rookie season, it's hard for me not to put him in that conversation with those guys.

So I love Brock Purty.

So I love Brock Purty.

You know, I've been a Brock pretty fan since the beginning, even through the injuries and everything. I thought this was a great story. But he also you know, just the way he carries himself and handles everything. I'm just saying from a pure you know, arm talent, legs talent, Brockbritty doesn't fall in there. But he's brought pretty worthy of that contract he just signed.

You know, I've been a Brock pretty fan since the beginning, even through the injuries and everything. I thought this was a great story. But he also you know, just the way he carries himself and handles everything. I'm just saying from a pure you know, arm talent, legs talent, Brockbritty doesn't fall in there. But he's brought pretty worthy of that contract he just signed.

Yes, he is interesting.

Yes, he is interesting.

Mark, great stuff, enjoy the weekend. Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.

Mark, great stuff, enjoy the weekend. Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.

Thank you, Doug, enjoyed you too.

Thank you, Doug, enjoyed you too.

That's Mark Domin. It's spent over twenty years in the NFL front offices, in scouting and of course former gentle manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stuh, you had had to know and do. I think it was the sponsor deal. I do, But when he gets those Toyota Tacoma trds for all of his offensive linemen, Like that is a bold again, has to be a sponsorship deal. But otherwise you gotta know you're getting paid, Like you have to know you're not getting paid. You're getting paid. And I am looking both ways before I cross the street. I'm not I'm I'm wrapping myself in bubble wrap, right because one of those those gotta run in the sixties, right, So if you go sixty times and you're not just buying a kid just by the starting line, mean you got to buy all those all those meatheads, like eight of them, right, eight of them. You're talking like half a million dollars. If if you're spending your own money on those trds. He had to know he was getting paid. That's otherwise it's a bold move when the the amount that you're paying in cars for your lineman for protecting you is the same amount you're making per year.

That's Mark Domin. It's spent over twenty years in the NFL front offices, in scouting and of course former gentle manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stuh, you had had to know and do. I think it was the sponsor deal. I do, But when he gets those Toyota Tacoma trds for all of his offensive linemen, Like that is a bold again, has to be a sponsorship deal. But otherwise you gotta know you're getting paid, Like you have to know you're not getting paid. You're getting paid. And I am looking both ways before I cross the street. I'm not I'm I'm wrapping myself in bubble wrap, right because one of those those gotta run in the sixties, right, So if you go sixty times and you're not just buying a kid just by the starting line, mean you got to buy all those all those meatheads, like eight of them, right, eight of them. You're talking like half a million dollars. If if you're spending your own money on those trds. He had to know he was getting paid. That's otherwise it's a bold move when the the amount that you're paying in cars for your lineman for protecting you is the same amount you're making per year.

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Doug Gottliebin for Collins The Hurt Foxports Radio, iHeartRadio app. I think look not everything about the new generation is bad, right, we do this, and if you listen to the show, I'm Doug Gottlieb, my Steam producer, Jason Stewart joining me today and Jay Stu. You do like to point out how some of the hypocrisies, some of the bizarre stuff that gen Z is into, and how they all have to have their feelings heard and vindicated, and how different is from how we were brought up. Right, like we do it. It's pretty easy to poke fun at some of this stuff, but not all of it is bad. Right, Let's not act like everything in the New generation is bad. And I give you Tyrese Halbert. Tyres Albert was an overlooked player, right ak Kim. He's from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He went to Iowa State. It wasn't there was great fanfare, and he just worked and worked and worked. And again, even now with the most overrated player mantra that he carries because of a player poll, he doesn't. Not only does he not shrink from the moment hitting what was an incredible shot, although he double dribbled. I mean, anybody sees a video, you can say, well he got fouled, but he also double dribbled. If he gets fouled, then it's two free throws, and then the Knicks get the ball back, you know, after the two free throws. But nonetheless, I don't know if you saw this, but Haliburton was asked by ESPN about being the most overrated he says, I love external motivation. Somebody's talking, ish, I want to know because I want to go back at them. And don't get me wrong, talking trash in basketball is as old as the game itself, although I'm not really sure that doctor James Nasmith, who invented it for aerobic activity, was really into the trash talking, even when he was the least successful coach in the history of Kansas basketball, right Like, I don't think he was. I don't think James R. Natesmith was a big trash talk guy. But since it became kind of a city game in probably I don't know, the thirties, forties, Definitely the fifties and sixties, trash talk has been a part of it, and I don't know if we try and take it out of it. It's just sometimes the women's stuff is well over the top. And then you know, obviously there's moments where like his dad coming on the court, like what are you doing. But here's what I do like from the gen Z generation is because they've grown up with a phone in their hand, because they've grown up where X was Twitter and there were message boards. People have spoken their mind more and said more bomb based bombastic stuff on TV, on radio, online than at any time in our lifetime. Right, I mean again, go back to how sports was always covered in the nineties and it was far different. Were people critical of Jordan before he won an NBA title, Yes, but was it was was the noise, this loud no no and average everyday Joe's now feel like they have the ability to say and do whatever they want. It started with message boards and it moved into social media and now they're getting quoted on real TV shows. I don't know why we do it, but we do. But the point is that between Tyre's, Halburton, Anthony Edwards, you know, some of these guys, they have grown up idolizing the Jordans, the Birds, the Kobe's guys who were great trash talkers, and they've grown up in an era where you can kind of say whatever the hell you want, you know, how you you know, take your shot, talk your ish And I think Haliburton is a perfect example of it. It's like, do I if I'm a if I'm a Pacer coach, do I love that he talks trash and he runs the mouth? Maybe not, but one it kind of works for him, and two it kind of fits with this generation, like I actually think Jay's doing in your weekly evisceration of all things gen Z, there may be a maya kopa at some point in time, because gen Z they'll actually say what they think every now and again more more often. Now. Look, if some of them get their feelings hurt way worse than previous generations and they make it about things it's not about. But I do think that there's a portion of them that that matches the kind of message board Twitter trash talk that I actually think is a good thing from this generation.