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Here we go on a Tuesday. Man, there is a lot happening in Sports Live. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however it may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Well, there was perceived controversy that the New York Knicks look like the real deal.

Here we go on a Tuesday. Man, there is a lot happening in Sports Live. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however it may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Well, there was perceived controversy that the New York Knicks look like the real deal.

The Warriors are done.

The Warriors are done.

NFL schedule release coach k Mike Krzyzewski stops by Nick Wright in an hour from now stop by.

NFL schedule release coach k Mike Krzyzewski stops by Nick Wright in an hour from now stop by.

Wild night.

Wild night.

But so many different storylines, just a completely why in the NBA.

But so many different storylines, just a completely why in the NBA.

Yeah, you could say that Colin conspiracy theorists running wild.

Yeah, you could say that Colin conspiracy theorists running wild.

It's a great night.

It's a great night.

Date of your conspiracy gifts.

Date of your conspiracy gifts.

Well, several minutes before that awful injury to Jason Tatum, several minutes before you could see it, I could see it. I think people in Boston could see it.

Well, several minutes before that awful injury to Jason Tatum, several minutes before you could see it, I could see it. I think people in Boston could see it.

The Knicks.

The Knicks.

Are gonna win this series. They're the better team, they're better coached, they're more relentless. The home crowd clearly elevates this team. They're dominating the boards. Their bigs are playing better, They're passing better, less standing around, better decision making more points in the paint. Tibbs took the Celtics head coach Joe Missoula to the cleaners. The Celtics in the second half it was ISOs stand around basketball coach? Pull some levers? Do something? What happened to Peyton Pritchard. Isn't he good? Why he only played twenty minutes? It was just hard to watch Missoula coaches like he's got a checklist. That's not That's not what NBA playoff basketball is about. It's about pulling levers. You can see us Steve Kerr do it though he's out manned. You really see a Chris Finch doing it for years, Eric Spolstra. Joe Missoula has got like one club in his bag. When the three point.

Are gonna win this series. They're the better team, they're better coached, they're more relentless. The home crowd clearly elevates this team. They're dominating the boards. Their bigs are playing better, They're passing better, less standing around, better decision making more points in the paint. Tibbs took the Celtics head coach Joe Missoula to the cleaners. The Celtics in the second half it was ISOs stand around basketball coach? Pull some levers? Do something? What happened to Peyton Pritchard. Isn't he good? Why he only played twenty minutes? It was just hard to watch Missoula coaches like he's got a checklist. That's not That's not what NBA playoff basketball is about. It's about pulling levers. You can see us Steve Kerr do it though he's out manned. You really see a Chris Finch doing it for years, Eric Spolstra. Joe Missoula has got like one club in his bag. When the three point.

Shots don't fall, he's out of luck.

Shots don't fall, he's out of luck.

But this series really has not been about the Celtics it's been about New York. If you didn't know better, and you just turned into that thing last night, you would think the world champion New York Knicks were defending their title. Their ability to execute in crunch time, everybody's touching the ball, the shot making from Kat Brunson, og bridges, the toughness coming back multiple games, all of them from twenty points down. Their leader, Jalen Brunson, Let's just be honest. He is like the new Jerry West. He is mister Krott Clotte Tatum played great before the injury.

But this series really has not been about the Celtics it's been about New York. If you didn't know better, and you just turned into that thing last night, you would think the world champion New York Knicks were defending their title. Their ability to execute in crunch time, everybody's touching the ball, the shot making from Kat Brunson, og bridges, the toughness coming back multiple games, all of them from twenty points down. Their leader, Jalen Brunson, Let's just be honest. He is like the new Jerry West. He is mister Krott Clotte Tatum played great before the injury.

It was a great game.

It was a great game.

But in terms of clutch, is there any small player in this league you trust more with the ball than Jalen Brunson.

But in terms of clutch, is there any small player in this league you trust more with the ball than Jalen Brunson.

I'm including staff. I know he's.

I'm including staff. I know he's.

Undersized, I know he's a second rounder. I know he's not a premier athlete, but man, he finds good shots. He has been, and I've said this for the last two years, the best quarterback New York has.

Undersized, I know he's a second rounder. I know he's not a premier athlete, but man, he finds good shots. He has been, and I've said this for the last two years, the best quarterback New York has.

His decision making. You can tell he's a.

His decision making. You can tell he's a.

Smart guy that went to Villanova, Dad played in the league. Fearless player, totally trustworthy. But again, it's not just that New York's winning, it's how they're winning New York is making Boston look fragmented, disorganized, poorly coached, confused and passive. If you'd never watch basketball and you tune into that game and I say, find the champion, it looks like the Knicks. They've got a swagger, a confidence, shot making and attitude, even before the Tatum injury, which was obviously awful. And he We're not going to speculate, but that looked really bad. We'll find out more today an MRI New York. It's only three to one Nicks. It felt like it was over five minutes before the Tatum injury. The confidence, the shot and making. I'm sitting here watching everybody on that team depending on nobody great ball movement. Josh Harten didn't need a bunch of points. He touch it, get it into somebody who's hot. Here's Brunson after.

Smart guy that went to Villanova, Dad played in the league. Fearless player, totally trustworthy. But again, it's not just that New York's winning, it's how they're winning New York is making Boston look fragmented, disorganized, poorly coached, confused and passive. If you'd never watch basketball and you tune into that game and I say, find the champion, it looks like the Knicks. They've got a swagger, a confidence, shot making and attitude, even before the Tatum injury, which was obviously awful. And he We're not going to speculate, but that looked really bad. We'll find out more today an MRI New York. It's only three to one Nicks. It felt like it was over five minutes before the Tatum injury. The confidence, the shot and making. I'm sitting here watching everybody on that team depending on nobody great ball movement. Josh Harten didn't need a bunch of points. He touch it, get it into somebody who's hot. Here's Brunson after.

I think it was a sense of urgency, desperation, just knowing that we have a great opportunity. I were playing a really good team and I don't even think we're playing our best basketball yet. We have a team who's fairly new this year, and we still have a long way to go to be the best thing we can be.

I think it was a sense of urgency, desperation, just knowing that we have a great opportunity. I were playing a really good team and I don't even think we're playing our best basketball yet. We have a team who's fairly new this year, and we still have a long way to go to be the best thing we can be.

It is these windows close fast. I was talking to a friend last night in the podcast, and I said, remember when the Seahawks were great and then they won a Super Bowl, blew out Peyton Manning. They go to another one, should win it. Russell Wilson throws a pick. People thought Marshawn Lynch should have gotten the handoff. They lose close to Brady and the Patriots. It screws with the culture in the locker room. There's doubt, there's finger pointing. Never the same franchise good but never great again. And with Boston the injury, five hundred million dollar bankroll, needed new owners. They're getting old. What happened to poorzingis?

It is these windows close fast. I was talking to a friend last night in the podcast, and I said, remember when the Seahawks were great and then they won a Super Bowl, blew out Peyton Manning. They go to another one, should win it. Russell Wilson throws a pick. People thought Marshawn Lynch should have gotten the handoff. They lose close to Brady and the Patriots. It screws with the culture in the locker room. There's doubt, there's finger pointing. Never the same franchise good but never great again. And with Boston the injury, five hundred million dollar bankroll, needed new owners. They're getting old. What happened to poorzingis?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I know the West has better teams, younger teams, But when I watched the Knicks all year long, I've thought, you know, they've got to solve this. They they need another shot maker. I'm watching this series and I'm like, they maybe they need to tweak a more dependable big, but I don't think they need much, at least to win the East. All right, Let's talk Golden State. Golden State's in trouble, not just this year, but for the foreseeable future. They brought in Jimmy Butler, as we talked about yesterday, to squeeze every last bit of juice out of staff and Steve Kerr again excellent coach, but just like the Lakers series where old Lebron, Luca and Austin Reeves kind of felt outmanned that Minnesota was getting more out of more players. I'm watching the Timberwolves. That's the opposite of the Celtics. That team doesn't have As this team doesn't have as much talent. They're pulling every lever. I mean, Julius Randall, he's a legitimate too. He was never a good playoff guy. He's been excellent thirty one last night, fifty two percent from the field. His assist playmaking has been fantastic. He's finally a dependable playoff guy. And Edwards unrefined at times. Anybody notice in the series he averages seven points in the first half, twenty in the second. Something the staff is doing and tweaking is changing the way he plays in every game in the second half. It's remarkable. This is an odd, disparate roster full of guys that shouldn't fit. Seven foot one Rudy Gobert, who can't really shoot undrafted Naz Reid, who's a good athlete, but what else. Julius Randall, who's a tweeter and an emerging superstar who sometimes can't find his shot. It's just a bunch of guys who we've never trusted in the playoffs, and now for the second straight.

I know the West has better teams, younger teams, But when I watched the Knicks all year long, I've thought, you know, they've got to solve this. They they need another shot maker. I'm watching this series and I'm like, they maybe they need to tweak a more dependable big, but I don't think they need much, at least to win the East. All right, Let's talk Golden State. Golden State's in trouble, not just this year, but for the foreseeable future. They brought in Jimmy Butler, as we talked about yesterday, to squeeze every last bit of juice out of staff and Steve Kerr again excellent coach, but just like the Lakers series where old Lebron, Luca and Austin Reeves kind of felt outmanned that Minnesota was getting more out of more players. I'm watching the Timberwolves. That's the opposite of the Celtics. That team doesn't have As this team doesn't have as much talent. They're pulling every lever. I mean, Julius Randall, he's a legitimate too. He was never a good playoff guy. He's been excellent thirty one last night, fifty two percent from the field. His assist playmaking has been fantastic. He's finally a dependable playoff guy. And Edwards unrefined at times. Anybody notice in the series he averages seven points in the first half, twenty in the second. Something the staff is doing and tweaking is changing the way he plays in every game in the second half. It's remarkable. This is an odd, disparate roster full of guys that shouldn't fit. Seven foot one Rudy Gobert, who can't really shoot undrafted Naz Reid, who's a good athlete, but what else. Julius Randall, who's a tweeter and an emerging superstar who sometimes can't find his shot. It's just a bunch of guys who we've never trusted in the playoffs, and now for the second straight.

Year, we do.

Year, we do.

I mean Lebron, Luca and Austin Reeves look completely outclassed. A little bit of Steph Butler and Draymond similarly, it doesn't feel like they're close. And this was the clear value of coaching on display. You look at this Minnesota roster, you could argue there's five or six better rosters. Cleveland's roster is better. Okay, sees is obviously better. I could argue Golden State when Steph is healthy healthy, is close.

I mean Lebron, Luca and Austin Reeves look completely outclassed. A little bit of Steph Butler and Draymond similarly, it doesn't feel like they're close. And this was the clear value of coaching on display. You look at this Minnesota roster, you could argue there's five or six better rosters. Cleveland's roster is better. Okay, sees is obviously better. I could argue Golden State when Steph is healthy healthy, is close.

But it's it's they have.

But it's it's they have.

Transformed all these different pieces that shouldn't necessarily fit. Julius Randall didn't really fit early in the season. Now at the end of the season, what a great, dependable number two. We've never said that about Julius Randall. And it was a halftime speech by a newly formed leader and Edwards that changed the game.

Transformed all these different pieces that shouldn't necessarily fit. Julius Randall didn't really fit early in the season. Now at the end of the season, what a great, dependable number two. We've never said that about Julius Randall. And it was a halftime speech by a newly formed leader and Edwards that changed the game.

I told him we only got two wins.

I told him we only got two wins.

I've never seen a series and two one, So I told him, you know, we got to get two more wins. And right now we're playing like we already got four wins, Like we're playing like they're gonna lay down, and knowing his team, knowing their head coach, they're never going to lay down.

I've never seen a series and two one, So I told him, you know, we got to get two more wins. And right now we're playing like we already got four wins, Like we're playing like they're gonna lay down, and knowing his team, knowing their head coach, they're never going to lay down.

So we had we had to figure.

So we had we had to figure.

It out, man, because if we would have kept playing like that, we would have lost the night.

It out, man, because if we would have kept playing like that, we would have lost the night.

So during the Dynasty, in the Great Run by Steve Kerr, he has always been known the Warriors have had some of the great third quarters. Ever a little tweak add this subtract that change that tweak that the Warriors would take close games and come out with an eighteen to four run and end it. That's what Minnesota has been doing. Especially Aunt Edwards, he is a totally different player. First couple of games in this series, shots didn't fall, couldn't get the close ones to go either. He's been in this series transformed. That is, along with Aunt, Randall, Gobert, nas Reed and the rest that is coaching on display. So Jmac, the listen. I don't care what people say about market size. The defending champs are in big trouble Minnesota is going to beat the most popular player, Steph Curry. Lakers have already been extinguished. Okase, he's a small market, but nonetheless, Americans are absolutely sure.

So during the Dynasty, in the Great Run by Steve Kerr, he has always been known the Warriors have had some of the great third quarters. Ever a little tweak add this subtract that change that tweak that the Warriors would take close games and come out with an eighteen to four run and end it. That's what Minnesota has been doing. Especially Aunt Edwards, he is a totally different player. First couple of games in this series, shots didn't fall, couldn't get the close ones to go either. He's been in this series transformed. That is, along with Aunt, Randall, Gobert, nas Reed and the rest that is coaching on display. So Jmac, the listen. I don't care what people say about market size. The defending champs are in big trouble Minnesota is going to beat the most popular player, Steph Curry. Lakers have already been extinguished. Okase, he's a small market, but nonetheless, Americans are absolutely sure.

The was rigged.

The was rigged.

Well Collin, first of all, I don't know that the Timberwolves are beating Steph Curry since he's barely played in the series. They're beating a Warriors team which doesn't look like, I mean anything resembling a playoff team without Curry. It is amazing how far they've fallen without a superstar. Yeah, I mean it's it's I think Boston will show up the next game without Tatum.

Well Collin, first of all, I don't know that the Timberwolves are beating Steph Curry since he's barely played in the series. They're beating a Warriors team which doesn't look like, I mean anything resembling a playoff team without Curry. It is amazing how far they've fallen without a superstar. Yeah, I mean it's it's I think Boston will show up the next game without Tatum.

Yes, the Warriors can't do anything without Curry.

Yes, the Warriors can't do anything without Curry.

Yeah, I mean he is their GPS. They're kind of a directionless offense. He's the you know, we've said this, there are certain players Lebron in his prime and Steph Curry where they're kind of the ecosystem. Like the offense goes through them. It looks different, the pacing is different, the ball movements. That's why Kaminga is flourishing without staff, and then the offense totally changes with staff and he just looks lost. So there are the good news for Golden state is they're going to be able to move Kaminga, who looks like a twenty game, twenty point a game guy against a very good defensive team. So Kaminga his value shot up. That's the only thing if you're the Warriors. Because I don't think Curry's gonna play he acknowledged yesterday, is what's the point of risking it? Hamstring, as you've noted, is a rest injury. But Cominga's play has created a market.

Yeah, I mean he is their GPS. They're kind of a directionless offense. He's the you know, we've said this, there are certain players Lebron in his prime and Steph Curry where they're kind of the ecosystem. Like the offense goes through them. It looks different, the pacing is different, the ball movements. That's why Kaminga is flourishing without staff, and then the offense totally changes with staff and he just looks lost. So there are the good news for Golden state is they're going to be able to move Kaminga, who looks like a twenty game, twenty point a game guy against a very good defensive team. So Kaminga his value shot up. That's the only thing if you're the Warriors. Because I don't think Curry's gonna play he acknowledged yesterday, is what's the point of risking it? Hamstring, as you've noted, is a rest injury. But Cominga's play has created a market.

It has.

It has.

I just the whole the way the draft went down last night, The draft lottery, this Yannis stuff is going absolutely volcanic. There's so many teams potentially involved, plus the Tatum injury, Colin. I had thought Boston could be a landing spot for you. Honest, I don't know if that's the case anymore. Due to this injury to Tatum, He's gonna be out until at least the All Star break, possibly longer.

I just the whole the way the draft went down last night, The draft lottery, this Yannis stuff is going absolutely volcanic. There's so many teams potentially involved, plus the Tatum injury, Colin. I had thought Boston could be a landing spot for you. Honest, I don't know if that's the case anymore. Due to this injury to Tatum, He's gonna be out until at least the All Star break, possibly longer.

Yeah, next year stinks. Well, we'll talk that draft lottery.

Yeah, next year stinks. Well, we'll talk that draft lottery.

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Well, you're seeing it all over America. A lack of trust in institutions. It could be the FBI, the CIA, It could be the media.

Well, you're seeing it all over America. A lack of trust in institutions. It could be the FBI, the CIA, It could be the media.

It could be the White House.

It could be the White House.

The default explanation in America in twenty twenty five, when you are ticked off or you can't explain something or something doesn't go your way. It could be officiating. It could be an election. It could be the draft lottery. Is it's rigged? Yeah, I've got video of Dallas's draft room last night. Draft lottery room. You're gonna get twelve guys to act like this for thirty seconds. There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood that would do that. Did they rig it for Creuddy Atlanta last year? That was also a playing team like the MAVs. Did they rig it for the New York Islanders like the Mavericks had a very small percentage to win.

The default explanation in America in twenty twenty five, when you are ticked off or you can't explain something or something doesn't go your way. It could be officiating. It could be an election. It could be the draft lottery. Is it's rigged? Yeah, I've got video of Dallas's draft room last night. Draft lottery room. You're gonna get twelve guys to act like this for thirty seconds. There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood that would do that. Did they rig it for Creuddy Atlanta last year? That was also a playing team like the MAVs. Did they rig it for the New York Islanders like the Mavericks had a very small percentage to win.

Yeah, it's fixed.

Yeah, it's fixed.

It is fixed, fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery.

It is fixed, fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery.

Yes, it is fixed.

Yes, it is fixed.

Essentially, the draft lottery now is like the local raffle at your tavern where you got fifteen twenty people. It's a raffle, and sometimes the same guy wins two out.

Essentially, the draft lottery now is like the local raffle at your tavern where you got fifteen twenty people. It's a raffle, and sometimes the same guy wins two out.

Of four raffles. That's the way it is.

Of four raffles. That's the way it is.

By the way, when Zion Williamson out of Huge and do condunking machine was available and the Knicks had the number one pick, Yeah, they fixed it so the Pelicans would get it, or Atlanta last year. By the way, if you're going to fix it, give Chicago or Philadelphia Cooper flag, not football crazy Dallas. The NBA has flattened the lottery. Are odds essentially a raffle, a scratch off ticket?

By the way, when Zion Williamson out of Huge and do condunking machine was available and the Knicks had the number one pick, Yeah, they fixed it so the Pelicans would get it, or Atlanta last year. By the way, if you're going to fix it, give Chicago or Philadelphia Cooper flag, not football crazy Dallas. The NBA has flattened the lottery. Are odds essentially a raffle, a scratch off ticket?

What's that mean?

What's that mean?

No team with the worst record has won it since they did it. The NBA changed the rules to create this. Do you really think Wemby? They would say, let's say where can we put Wemby? Let's put him in San Antonio. Yeah, the last time san Antonio had a dynasty, it killed the TV ratings for a decade. You would not pick san Antonio, believe me. In fact, some of you aren't very good at math. The three teams with the best odds to win last night, the odds were fourteen percent. That's a raffle. Those are the best odds. If you add the three teams with the best odds together, it still doesn't reach fifty percent. And what's happened the last several years the best odds has finished fifth, and that happened again last night.

No team with the worst record has won it since they did it. The NBA changed the rules to create this. Do you really think Wemby? They would say, let's say where can we put Wemby? Let's put him in San Antonio. Yeah, the last time san Antonio had a dynasty, it killed the TV ratings for a decade. You would not pick san Antonio, believe me. In fact, some of you aren't very good at math. The three teams with the best odds to win last night, the odds were fourteen percent. That's a raffle. Those are the best odds. If you add the three teams with the best odds together, it still doesn't reach fifty percent. And what's happened the last several years the best odds has finished fifth, and that happened again last night.

Utah.

Utah.

It is a raffle. They flattened the odds. You would not have put Wemby in San Antonio. You would not have put Zion with the Pelicans. The Pelicans have won this thing multiple times. Well, Lebron left and they gave Cleveland Andrew Wiggins. It doesn't matter if Lebron's coming or going. Nobody in any league office is rooting for Cleveland to get the best players.

It is a raffle. They flattened the odds. You would not have put Wemby in San Antonio. You would not have put Zion with the Pelicans. The Pelicans have won this thing multiple times. Well, Lebron left and they gave Cleveland Andrew Wiggins. It doesn't matter if Lebron's coming or going. Nobody in any league office is rooting for Cleveland to get the best players.

So it's just like, this.

So it's just like, this.

Is the way it worked. This is what the NBA wanted. The NBA wanted what you're seeing with the CBA. There are no more dynasties. That's what Adams Olver wanted. And with this, I mean the crazy thing San Antonio almost won, which is nuts, but it should be noted they also draft and develop well. For the third year in a row, the team with the worst actual record did not win this thing. And I think Cooper Flag in Dallas is great. I think I think he's exactly what they needed. But he's also exactly what every team in the league. The Lakers could use him. The Knicks are a good team. They could use him. He's Jason Tatum. That's what he is. He's Jason Tatum, and he's got twelve thirteen years potentially a prime coming into the league.

Is the way it worked. This is what the NBA wanted. The NBA wanted what you're seeing with the CBA. There are no more dynasties. That's what Adams Olver wanted. And with this, I mean the crazy thing San Antonio almost won, which is nuts, but it should be noted they also draft and develop well. For the third year in a row, the team with the worst actual record did not win this thing. And I think Cooper Flag in Dallas is great. I think I think he's exactly what they needed. But he's also exactly what every team in the league. The Lakers could use him. The Knicks are a good team. They could use him. He's Jason Tatum. That's what he is. He's Jason Tatum, and he's got twelve thirteen years potentially a prime coming into the league.

So just listen.

So just listen.

I understand nobody trusts institutions. I get it. It's happening all over the land, right it's FBI, CIA vaccines.

I understand nobody trusts institutions. I get it. It's happening all over the land, right it's FBI, CIA vaccines.

Everybody on the internet's an expert. That's fight.

Everybody on the internet's an expert. That's fight.

Doesn't bother me. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you what I see, which is the NBA. Adam Silver said, you know what, I'm gonna be friendlier to the players than David Stern. I'm gonna get out of the dynasty business, and we're gonna flatten these odds because tanking is really bad. Tanking's really bad for the NBA for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons it's really bad is March. College basketball is super competitive with the tournament, and March is the time in the NBA that teams tank. So you watch a college game with all that energy and then turn to an NBA game and it's like, you know, the wizard's tanking, and Adam Silver's like, this is a bad six week look.

Doesn't bother me. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you what I see, which is the NBA. Adam Silver said, you know what, I'm gonna be friendlier to the players than David Stern. I'm gonna get out of the dynasty business, and we're gonna flatten these odds because tanking is really bad. Tanking's really bad for the NBA for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons it's really bad is March. College basketball is super competitive with the tournament, and March is the time in the NBA that teams tank. So you watch a college game with all that energy and then turn to an NBA game and it's like, you know, the wizard's tanking, and Adam Silver's like, this is a bad six week look.

For our league.

For our league.

So they got seventy six billion dollars for eleven years. Okay, Now, whether NBC can make that work financially, that's up to NBC. But if you want to believe tanking and rig go for it. I'm just saying Wemby wouldn't have been picked in San Antonio and Zion wouldn't go to the Pelicans because the Knicks had the number one pick. By the way, Utah, this is what keeps happening. Best odds only fourteen percent. Once again, best odds get the fifth pick. That's how raffles work. I've had raffles. I've never won a raffle. I've bought thirty tickets to a raffle with twelve people.

So they got seventy six billion dollars for eleven years. Okay, Now, whether NBC can make that work financially, that's up to NBC. But if you want to believe tanking and rig go for it. I'm just saying Wemby wouldn't have been picked in San Antonio and Zion wouldn't go to the Pelicans because the Knicks had the number one pick. By the way, Utah, this is what keeps happening. Best odds only fourteen percent. Once again, best odds get the fifth pick. That's how raffles work. I've had raffles. I've never won a raffle. I've bought thirty tickets to a raffle with twelve people.

I've never won a raffle.

I've never won a raffle.

I have been at raffles, had one hundred bucks in my pocket and bought tickets for the whole family and not want to raffle. I don't think it's rigged. I think that's how scratch off games and raffles work. We're not going to speculate on Jason Tatum. He was having a great playoff game, totally aggressive, but I do think watching that game last night, Boston needs to look in the mirror here. I don't know what's happening with Porzingis, but the mystery illness, the injuries, the inconsistency. Kats got his issues, so does Robinson for the Knicks, but they feel like they're more substantial. You got to look in the mirror on Joe Mizzoula. I thought he got worked. Al Horford's old Drew Holliday is age very quickly, and the teams out west and Indiana out east are all getting better and the Knicks are for real. So and this team is strapped financially, even if they just signed their first round pick. The Celtics are strapped financially, and my guess is Tatum's not playing at best until the All Star Game. So this reminds me, and it's it's one of the things about pro sports we talk about all the time is that this team reminds me of Denver. So they had jokicch they had Jamal Murray, they had a bunch of good players and one great player, and Denver won the title. And I can remember saying, boy, they could be San Antonio. They got their Duncan and then all of a sudden they had to move off some bench guys and rotational guys, and you look up and you're like, uh, Denver's Denver surrounded by a bunch of good young teams and Wemby and SGA, and Denver's just gonna get one, which is fine. Getting one is It's more than the Niners have done. It's more than Baltimore and the Bills have done in the NFL. Getting one trophy's hard, but they've got a Boston's it's interesting.

I have been at raffles, had one hundred bucks in my pocket and bought tickets for the whole family and not want to raffle. I don't think it's rigged. I think that's how scratch off games and raffles work. We're not going to speculate on Jason Tatum. He was having a great playoff game, totally aggressive, but I do think watching that game last night, Boston needs to look in the mirror here. I don't know what's happening with Porzingis, but the mystery illness, the injuries, the inconsistency. Kats got his issues, so does Robinson for the Knicks, but they feel like they're more substantial. You got to look in the mirror on Joe Mizzoula. I thought he got worked. Al Horford's old Drew Holliday is age very quickly, and the teams out west and Indiana out east are all getting better and the Knicks are for real. So and this team is strapped financially, even if they just signed their first round pick. The Celtics are strapped financially, and my guess is Tatum's not playing at best until the All Star Game. So this reminds me, and it's it's one of the things about pro sports we talk about all the time is that this team reminds me of Denver. So they had jokicch they had Jamal Murray, they had a bunch of good players and one great player, and Denver won the title. And I can remember saying, boy, they could be San Antonio. They got their Duncan and then all of a sudden they had to move off some bench guys and rotational guys, and you look up and you're like, uh, Denver's Denver surrounded by a bunch of good young teams and Wemby and SGA, and Denver's just gonna get one, which is fine. Getting one is It's more than the Niners have done. It's more than Baltimore and the Bills have done in the NFL. Getting one trophy's hard, but they've got a Boston's it's interesting.

New York's for real.

New York's for real.

Indiana's got an excellent roster and may beat if they get through it, beat New York.

Indiana's got an excellent roster and may beat if they get through it, beat New York.

OK.

OK.

See, Houston, San Antonio are going nowhere. I mean the good news I guess for Boston is Yannis is going west. But I would say Milwaukee's going to load up on young players. I think I think Boston's got a Boston issue is that. I think, like Denver, we looked at them and we thought, Okay, this thing's going to last.

See, Houston, San Antonio are going nowhere. I mean the good news I guess for Boston is Yannis is going west. But I would say Milwaukee's going to load up on young players. I think I think Boston's got a Boston issue is that. I think, like Denver, we looked at them and we thought, Okay, this thing's going to last.

Then the owner always be.

Then the owner always be.

Careful when the owner sells, what do they see the owner cells? Now, Tatum's hurt, Poorzingi's true holiday age very quickly. And I think Joe Missoula felt like last night, he really felt second third tier, like he's kind of one golf club in the back coach, so Adam Silver, he didn't want dynasties. And you know, Boston's an example. They are up against it. Their payrolls, what five hundred million, they gotta move off pieces. Here was Joe Missoula on and just add this in. It's awful, that devastating Jason Tatum injury.

Careful when the owner sells, what do they see the owner cells? Now, Tatum's hurt, Poorzingi's true holiday age very quickly. And I think Joe Missoula felt like last night, he really felt second third tier, like he's kind of one golf club in the back coach, so Adam Silver, he didn't want dynasties. And you know, Boston's an example. They are up against it. Their payrolls, what five hundred million, they gotta move off pieces. Here was Joe Missoula on and just add this in. It's awful, that devastating Jason Tatum injury.

I mean, obviously, always concerned about someone's health. So you know it's twofold. We're concerned about his health where he's at, and then we're concerned about what we have to do better for game five. W' go'n get back to Boston.

I mean, obviously, always concerned about someone's health. So you know it's twofold. We're concerned about his health where he's at, and then we're concerned about what we have to do better for game five. W' go'n get back to Boston.

Yeah, he was playing a great basketball game. He was really aggressive between Brunson and Jason Tatum. You were getting I was sitting there washing and I'm like, boy, this is an all time NBA playoff game. This is all time stuff. The New York crowd is fantastic. Indiana and New York crowds are nuts. They are Jeff. The Eastern Conference doesn't have as good as players or teams. The fans are nuts in Indiana and New York. And it was one of those games where you really felt the crowd was elevating the team, but Tatum, because Pritcher wasn't playing much, Tatum was really carrying that team. They were just doing ISOs and when he got a little cold, suddenly boomed.

Yeah, he was playing a great basketball game. He was really aggressive between Brunson and Jason Tatum. You were getting I was sitting there washing and I'm like, boy, this is an all time NBA playoff game. This is all time stuff. The New York crowd is fantastic. Indiana and New York crowds are nuts. They are Jeff. The Eastern Conference doesn't have as good as players or teams. The fans are nuts in Indiana and New York. And it was one of those games where you really felt the crowd was elevating the team, but Tatum, because Pritcher wasn't playing much, Tatum was really carrying that team. They were just doing ISOs and when he got a little cold, suddenly boomed.

Nixt lead by nine shot making.

Nixt lead by nine shot making.

So I think my guess is, I look at Boston going forward, cross your fingers on Tatum. But will they become Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto Raptors where you think there's more you look up and it's like we're a one time championship team.

So I think my guess is, I look at Boston going forward, cross your fingers on Tatum. But will they become Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto Raptors where you think there's more you look up and it's like we're a one time championship team.

Are my owner?

Are my owner?

Takeaway in this is I thought all year New York's got to take a big swing. If this is how the NBA is going to allow games to be officiated, physical teams that d up and make shots late. When New York does not need a big swing, they may need a tweak. I don't trust Robinson at the line or Cat's defense may need a big guy tweak. Bridge has been great, though, Brunson's a number one. OG's been amazing, Josh Hart excellent team player, and Tibbs is having a great series for New York. So I think it's more of a tweak for New York. You know this Knicks front office for the last three years has been so patient, and all of us in the media keeps saying, get Giannis and get KD and.

Takeaway in this is I thought all year New York's got to take a big swing. If this is how the NBA is going to allow games to be officiated, physical teams that d up and make shots late. When New York does not need a big swing, they may need a tweak. I don't trust Robinson at the line or Cat's defense may need a big guy tweak. Bridge has been great, though, Brunson's a number one. OG's been amazing, Josh Hart excellent team player, and Tibbs is having a great series for New York. So I think it's more of a tweak for New York. You know this Knicks front office for the last three years has been so patient, and all of us in the media keeps saying, get Giannis and get KD and.

For years they would.

For years they would.

But this New York Knicks front office is patient and smart and kind of tunes out the press and the media smartly, and they are a I mean, it's you can't watch that game last night and not I mean, I found myself rooting for the Knicks in this series. You can't not root for a team that plays this hard and makes these kind of shops. I mean, it's very rare when a New York team is a lovable underdog, and they are. They're one of the great watches in the league. It's a combination of Villanova, NBA, guts, guile, toughness, coaching.

But this New York Knicks front office is patient and smart and kind of tunes out the press and the media smartly, and they are a I mean, it's you can't watch that game last night and not I mean, I found myself rooting for the Knicks in this series. You can't not root for a team that plays this hard and makes these kind of shops. I mean, it's very rare when a New York team is a lovable underdog, and they are. They're one of the great watches in the league. It's a combination of Villanova, NBA, guts, guile, toughness, coaching.

It's hard to turn off.

It's hard to turn off.

By the way, are you surprised the Celtics kept leaving thirty eight year old Al Horford on an island against Brunson threw a double at I was stunned, and Brunson's just cooking and left and right he had amazing I just their offense.

By the way, are you surprised the Celtics kept leaving thirty eight year old Al Horford on an island against Brunson threw a double at I was stunned, and Brunson's just cooking and left and right he had amazing I just their offense.

They just started standing around.

They just started standing around.

It's like it's like, listen, that's when you call a time out. You gotta call a timeout engineer a play get a basket because that New York crowd did you notice? I mean it was like it felt like almost if you ever go to a boxing match and there's a home fighter where it's in Panama and it's a Panamanian fighter, and you can tell the crowd is elevating the boxer.

It's like it's like, listen, that's when you call a time out. You gotta call a timeout engineer a play get a basket because that New York crowd did you notice? I mean it was like it felt like almost if you ever go to a boxing match and there's a home fighter where it's in Panama and it's a Panamanian fighter, and you can tell the crowd is elevating the boxer.

I mean it was like when you go to New York.

I mean it was like when you go to New York.

And this crowd and they go on like a six to zhing run time out, call a play get a bucket because that crowd was jet fuel for the Knicks.

And this crowd and they go on like a six to zhing run time out, call a play get a bucket because that crowd was jet fuel for the Knicks.

By the way, did you see who's leading the Celtics in points, rebounds, assistance, steals.

By the way, did you see who's leading the Celtics in points, rebounds, assistance, steals.

In the series. I wasn't sure if you saw that. No, it's Jayson Tatum. No, he was play great last night. He played great. Is that great series?

In the series. I wasn't sure if you saw that. No, it's Jayson Tatum. No, he was play great last night. He played great. Is that great series?

It's had a good series. He had a great night, a good series, a great night.

It's had a good series. He had a great night, a good series, a great night.

He was tremendous last night. Loss our fingers on that.

He was tremendous last night. Loss our fingers on that.

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Well there's no basketball coach ever, Yeah, I'm reading the accolades the most wins by any head basketball coach and men's basketball history that's pretty good. That seems like that'd be near the top of my resume. Five natties, forty two years at Duke the Goal Standard Program twenty four to zero. Is an Olympic coach and now a public speaker with grandkids in the area. What a life for Mike Krzyzewski, who's.

Well there's no basketball coach ever, Yeah, I'm reading the accolades the most wins by any head basketball coach and men's basketball history that's pretty good. That seems like that'd be near the top of my resume. Five natties, forty two years at Duke the Goal Standard Program twenty four to zero. Is an Olympic coach and now a public speaker with grandkids in the area. What a life for Mike Krzyzewski, who's.

Now joining US Live. You know you told me years ago, you said.

Now joining US Live. You know you told me years ago, you said.

Colin, I start recruiting guys six to seven years before you you see me sign them.

Colin, I start recruiting guys six to seven years before you you see me sign them.

So let's talk Cooper Flag.

So let's talk Cooper Flag.

Basketball is a very unique sport where you can see it ten eleven, twelve thirteen, you can see special. Do you remember the first time you saw Cooper Flag?

Basketball is a very unique sport where you can see it ten eleven, twelve thirteen, you can see special. Do you remember the first time you saw Cooper Flag?

You know I do not because I'm three years retired, so shire must have seen him when he was fourteen. But I did see him when he was at Mont Third. Yeah, like, yeah, they have Actually they have four from his high school team. They have four kids are going to be first round draft picks. And I knew he was special because they had so much talent. I didn't realize how special he is. And this kid plays every play hard, and yes, every play, every play.

You know I do not because I'm three years retired, so shire must have seen him when he was fourteen. But I did see him when he was at Mont Third. Yeah, like, yeah, they have Actually they have four from his high school team. They have four kids are going to be first round draft picks. And I knew he was special because they had so much talent. I didn't realize how special he is. And this kid plays every play hard, and yes, every play, every play.

Yeah, people have compared him, I think almost favorably to Jason Tatum. When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive than Jason, and he's an aggressive attacking player. Do you think that comp is fair and realistic?

Yeah, people have compared him, I think almost favorably to Jason Tatum. When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive than Jason, and he's an aggressive attacking player. Do you think that comp is fair and realistic?

I don't. I think they're two different players. They're both six eight. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here. You know, he's still only eighteen years old, so he's still growing. He might end up being sixteen. But I think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury, but he's really developed differently than I think Cooper will develop. Cooper is just unique, you know, like he he's he's so strong, his legs are so strong, and athletically he's gifted, but attitude, and when you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude, you have a very special guy. And he can really score the ball. I think he's a good shooter, uh trying to become a really good shooter, whereas Jason, Jason is that shooter.

I don't. I think they're two different players. They're both six eight. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here. You know, he's still only eighteen years old, so he's still growing. He might end up being sixteen. But I think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury, but he's really developed differently than I think Cooper will develop. Cooper is just unique, you know, like he he's he's so strong, his legs are so strong, and athletically he's gifted, but attitude, and when you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude, you have a very special guy. And he can really score the ball. I think he's a good shooter, uh trying to become a really good shooter, whereas Jason, Jason is that shooter.

I read Ian O'Connor's book about you, which I thought was fascinating on so many levels, and it's so funny. John Wooden in you, you know, you're obviously the all time greats, but John Wooden it took a long time for him to win at U C. L A. And as Ian O'Connor pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike Krzyzewski in about your fourth year, and people are like, we don't know if this kid from Army is gonna work. You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart, you're collaborative, you are a grinder. There's a lot of reasons. But when I look at college basketball today, do you like the place we're in? Tom Izzo's a survivor, but a lot of the big ones have left. Sometimes college football, I think is too impatient. Do you think college basketball is good to coaches? Because the NBA, I could argue, is not a great place to coach. Is college basketball today?

I read Ian O'Connor's book about you, which I thought was fascinating on so many levels, and it's so funny. John Wooden in you, you know, you're obviously the all time greats, but John Wooden it took a long time for him to win at U C. L A. And as Ian O'Connor pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike Krzyzewski in about your fourth year, and people are like, we don't know if this kid from Army is gonna work. You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart, you're collaborative, you are a grinder. There's a lot of reasons. But when I look at college basketball today, do you like the place we're in? Tom Izzo's a survivor, but a lot of the big ones have left. Sometimes college football, I think is too impatient. Do you think college basketball is good to coaches? Because the NBA, I could argue, is not a great place to coach. Is college basketball today?

Actually, I think the NBA is a better place to coach. I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA, except there's no transparency. In other words, you're at one school, I'm at another. I don't know what you're doing for a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player. And it's really professional right now or college basketball. But the product is outstanding and kids are staying longer because of nil, you're getting older teams, the influx of international young international pro players to college. You can win quicker in college now and by John Shire has done a great job here at Duke replacing me, and I've told them, I said, I think you've done a better job than I would have done in the last three years with all the changes, because I would have always been saying stuff, well, it used to be this way, it used to be that way, and for you you're just starting out, it wasn't used to be it is and right now, I just think people should put their arms around college sport, especially college basketball, in my opinion, and run it like a business because it is a business and the product is great. Though there's so much talent out there.

Actually, I think the NBA is a better place to coach. I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA, except there's no transparency. In other words, you're at one school, I'm at another. I don't know what you're doing for a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player. And it's really professional right now or college basketball. But the product is outstanding and kids are staying longer because of nil, you're getting older teams, the influx of international young international pro players to college. You can win quicker in college now and by John Shire has done a great job here at Duke replacing me, and I've told them, I said, I think you've done a better job than I would have done in the last three years with all the changes, because I would have always been saying stuff, well, it used to be this way, it used to be that way, and for you you're just starting out, it wasn't used to be it is and right now, I just think people should put their arms around college sport, especially college basketball, in my opinion, and run it like a business because it is a business and the product is great. Though there's so much talent out there.

You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting argument that JJ Reddick is smart.

You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting argument that JJ Reddick is smart.

He's very tightly.

He's very tightly.

Wound that in the NBA, in big games, he kind of he's a teeth clencher a little bit. He's very very intense and in the NBA as a coach, he was very intense and people say, boy, it's not about that it's it's more Steve Kerr, you got to be part psychologist, part schematic guy that maybe JJ is is just too intense when you watched I mean and listen, that's a good quality to have. What do you make of I mean you were intense. I watched you write officials for several years. Is what do you make of those discussions about JJ that maybe he's wound a little tight.

Wound that in the NBA, in big games, he kind of he's a teeth clencher a little bit. He's very very intense and in the NBA as a coach, he was very intense and people say, boy, it's not about that it's it's more Steve Kerr, you got to be part psychologist, part schematic guy that maybe JJ is is just too intense when you watched I mean and listen, that's a good quality to have. What do you make of I mean you were intense. I watched you write officials for several years. Is what do you make of those discussions about JJ that maybe he's wound a little tight.

Now? You know, he he wants to win and his preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's a learning curve in every profession. I thought he had a great, great uh season and uh, his players, he went over his players. His players know how hard he works, and yeah, he was a terrific player. He Uh, you know, I think he's he's learned a lot from this year. You know, he'll critique himself and have you know, he has a veteran staff where those guys will take a look at what they did and uh, how they were doing it and make adjustments going into into next year. But he had a great Uh, he had a great first year. And they played a team in the first round that was deeper and more athletic. Yes, and and the NBA has scotten more physical, which I think is good. But it's really physical in the playoffs, and that lends itself to given the Timberwolves a little bit more of an advantage. And they're a good team, you know, they They're a really good team.

Now? You know, he he wants to win and his preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's a learning curve in every profession. I thought he had a great, great uh season and uh, his players, he went over his players. His players know how hard he works, and yeah, he was a terrific player. He Uh, you know, I think he's he's learned a lot from this year. You know, he'll critique himself and have you know, he has a veteran staff where those guys will take a look at what they did and uh, how they were doing it and make adjustments going into into next year. But he had a great Uh, he had a great first year. And they played a team in the first round that was deeper and more athletic. Yes, and and the NBA has scotten more physical, which I think is good. But it's really physical in the playoffs, and that lends itself to given the Timberwolves a little bit more of an advantage. And they're a good team, you know, they They're a really good team.

You Steve Kerr, Mark few Beheim, you guys all have done a very good job coaching professional players. Uh as college coaches. Obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a pro coach and is there coaching. Is coaching at Duke because you have so many pro players is a little.

You Steve Kerr, Mark few Beheim, you guys all have done a very good job coaching professional players. Uh as college coaches. Obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a pro coach and is there coaching. Is coaching at Duke because you have so many pro players is a little.

NBA ish, Yeah, it is, It is.

NBA ish, Yeah, it is, It is.

It is. Do you think did you ever take anything from the pros and bring it back to Duke to help you?

It is. Do you think did you ever take anything from the pros and bring it back to Duke to help you?

Oh? Yeah, you know, I coach the US team for eleven years in three Olympics and two World Championships, and I brought back a lot, you know. Uh, you know, uh, the sports science. You know, how guys prepared language, not cussing in that but different although probably picked up a few words there too.

Oh? Yeah, you know, I coach the US team for eleven years in three Olympics and two World Championships, and I brought back a lot, you know. Uh, you know, uh, the sports science. You know, how guys prepared language, not cussing in that but different although probably picked up a few words there too.

Uh.

Uh.

Now, just how they their defensive coverages, you know, but they're one of the main things is how hard they prepared and uh, and the excellent shape they kept themselves in and I brought that back where we really increased our sports medicine, science and and uh. But it also helped me uh X and O wise. You know, I had Jim Beheim was with me eleven years, but I had Money Williams and uh Thibodeau, you know, these guys who are uh yeah, terrific pro coaches. And I learned a law from him. But I learned from the players because they really Yeah, these are great players. Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, all these guys. Uh, they they really understand the game. People uh don't realize how smart they are and how much preparation that they give. So uh, those were eleven amazing years for uh for me, and I was very lucky to have that opportunity.

Now, just how they their defensive coverages, you know, but they're one of the main things is how hard they prepared and uh, and the excellent shape they kept themselves in and I brought that back where we really increased our sports medicine, science and and uh. But it also helped me uh X and O wise. You know, I had Jim Beheim was with me eleven years, but I had Money Williams and uh Thibodeau, you know, these guys who are uh yeah, terrific pro coaches. And I learned a law from him. But I learned from the players because they really Yeah, these are great players. Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, all these guys. Uh, they they really understand the game. People uh don't realize how smart they are and how much preparation that they give. So uh, those were eleven amazing years for uh for me, and I was very lucky to have that opportunity.

You know, Christian Latner was so dominant when he played, and he was part of that Kentucky win. You I just years and years ago, maybe it was Jay Billis was sharing a story about the first time you had seen Lebron and he took two steps at half court and dunked it. And you turned to Billis, what in the world am I watching? Go back to your college career. I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment when you obviously coached your team hard, but you allowed players to go off script a Grant Hill players. Was there ever a moment in college you went back and you turned to an assistant and you're like, this player is better than I thought he would be. This like you were actually as a coach, you turned an assistant and said, I never imagined he would be this good this player.

You know, Christian Latner was so dominant when he played, and he was part of that Kentucky win. You I just years and years ago, maybe it was Jay Billis was sharing a story about the first time you had seen Lebron and he took two steps at half court and dunked it. And you turned to Billis, what in the world am I watching? Go back to your college career. I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment when you obviously coached your team hard, but you allowed players to go off script a Grant Hill players. Was there ever a moment in college you went back and you turned to an assistant and you're like, this player is better than I thought he would be. This like you were actually as a coach, you turned an assistant and said, I never imagined he would be this good this player.

Yeah. Now, a number of times I can remember when we had Bobby Hurley yep, and Bobby was this good at point guard that's ever played in college. And one practice he's playing defense and I woke to Tommy Amaker, who's one of my assistants, standing it. I said, I've never seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with grand Hill, you know, if Grant Hill had not been injured five years since his pro career, he would have ended up being one of the top ten players of all time. And but he was very humble, and there are times at timeouts I would say, uh yeah, for every four minutes, I'd say, Okay, every time you touch the ball, you I don't want you to pass it. I just want you to do whatever you want with it. He said, what do you mean I said, no, just do something where someone says, you know, how did coach K teach you how to do that? I'm not lying. I mean this is true. And because there are players, there's certain players that you have to be careful not to overcoach. You have to give them the run to become what their talent can can show. And uh uh, you know, Zion was was that uh uh, you know really even though he he's an outstanding athlete, but he was and that like those two guys as I and Grant Beattier was like that. He was very humble too. And let's say, come on, man, you know, let it out, you know, let it out, like we are talking about JJ earlier. JJ did Colin He did some stuff that I could not imagine. You know, in Hostel Arenas, you know, guys were pulling on his shirt. He was trying to run him into the ground. And he enjoyed putting up forty on the road or thirty eight or thirty six.

Yeah. Now, a number of times I can remember when we had Bobby Hurley yep, and Bobby was this good at point guard that's ever played in college. And one practice he's playing defense and I woke to Tommy Amaker, who's one of my assistants, standing it. I said, I've never seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with grand Hill, you know, if Grant Hill had not been injured five years since his pro career, he would have ended up being one of the top ten players of all time. And but he was very humble, and there are times at timeouts I would say, uh yeah, for every four minutes, I'd say, Okay, every time you touch the ball, you I don't want you to pass it. I just want you to do whatever you want with it. He said, what do you mean I said, no, just do something where someone says, you know, how did coach K teach you how to do that? I'm not lying. I mean this is true. And because there are players, there's certain players that you have to be careful not to overcoach. You have to give them the run to become what their talent can can show. And uh uh, you know, Zion was was that uh uh, you know really even though he he's an outstanding athlete, but he was and that like those two guys as I and Grant Beattier was like that. He was very humble too. And let's say, come on, man, you know, let it out, you know, let it out, like we are talking about JJ earlier. JJ did Colin He did some stuff that I could not imagine. You know, in Hostel Arenas, you know, guys were pulling on his shirt. He was trying to run him into the ground. And he enjoyed putting up forty on the road or thirty eight or thirty six.

He was.

He was.

He was so damn cocky and good. I know, he he really was. I love my plays worked better with I'll tell you that.

He was so damn cocky and good. I know, he he really was. I love my plays worked better with I'll tell you that.

Yeahs Nick Saban says, yeah, it almost plays better when I get a great pass rush from a five star guy.

Yeahs Nick Saban says, yeah, it almost plays better when I get a great pass rush from a five star guy.

Yep.

Yep.

Finally, I there's a lot of reasons I like NIL. One of the reasons I like it is because I like kids having a little money and before they have a lot of money, because a lot of athletes don't have it. So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand and maybe blown it on a close and before he gets twenty million. And I do think it's instructive that before you get you know, it used to be no money college, you make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody, regardless of your background. Is have you found there are some things with NIL that that I think it's keeping more kids in college.

Finally, I there's a lot of reasons I like NIL. One of the reasons I like it is because I like kids having a little money and before they have a lot of money, because a lot of athletes don't have it. So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand and maybe blown it on a close and before he gets twenty million. And I do think it's instructive that before you get you know, it used to be no money college, you make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody, regardless of your background. Is have you found there are some things with NIL that that I think it's keeping more kids in college.

I like college basketball over G League.

I like college basketball over G League.

I like that.

I like that.

But are there things about NIL beyond just a kid making money that you think are instructive or you like about it?

But are there things about NIL beyond just a kid making money that you think are instructive or you like about it?

Well, it is what it is, and so we should put our arms around it and figure out how to make it the very very best. I will say that one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right with all all these kids where you make a lot of money now and then you're going to make a lot of money later. Most of the kids. Remember, there's there's not as many are going to make it into the MBA are going to be making more money in college than they will after college. And that's the thing. Yeah, I mean their kids make There are a lot of kids making seven figures now, not all if you've counted all those kids up around the country making half a million to three or four million, depending on the school. And there are a lot of kids and they're you know, what's the lottery. We got fourteen guys there. The first round has thirty picks, and so they're going to be guys who there are kids now, there are kids that have not been invited to the combine who are making seven figures last year in college. You know, so you're going to have to deal with that. However, if they're smart, they have a right to make that money, just so they use it wisely and they're able to transition to the next phase of their playing career.

Well, it is what it is, and so we should put our arms around it and figure out how to make it the very very best. I will say that one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right with all all these kids where you make a lot of money now and then you're going to make a lot of money later. Most of the kids. Remember, there's there's not as many are going to make it into the MBA are going to be making more money in college than they will after college. And that's the thing. Yeah, I mean their kids make There are a lot of kids making seven figures now, not all if you've counted all those kids up around the country making half a million to three or four million, depending on the school. And there are a lot of kids and they're you know, what's the lottery. We got fourteen guys there. The first round has thirty picks, and so they're going to be guys who there are kids now, there are kids that have not been invited to the combine who are making seven figures last year in college. You know, so you're going to have to deal with that. However, if they're smart, they have a right to make that money, just so they use it wisely and they're able to transition to the next phase of their playing career.

You know.

You know.

Uh, the guys who are lottery picks that they don't that's the normal thing. That's the normal thing. But it's all changed, Colin. It's it's changed, and it doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that we have to get better control over it and make sure make sure that these kids are well taken care of. You know right now, if you're a college coach at a high level program, you know you're you're dealing more with agents than you are with coaches, and that's why you have general managers and it's run like a professional team, except there are no contracts, which that might change depending on where to how this sol is going. But it's just in a state of flux right now. But God blessed, the kids should make as much as they can. They should transfer just like any other student, whenever they want. But that's going to run out, and hopefully when it runs out in college, they're able to go to a level of playing basketball that is really good for them.

Uh, the guys who are lottery picks that they don't that's the normal thing. That's the normal thing. But it's all changed, Colin. It's it's changed, and it doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that we have to get better control over it and make sure make sure that these kids are well taken care of. You know right now, if you're a college coach at a high level program, you know you're you're dealing more with agents than you are with coaches, and that's why you have general managers and it's run like a professional team, except there are no contracts, which that might change depending on where to how this sol is going. But it's just in a state of flux right now. But God blessed, the kids should make as much as they can. They should transfer just like any other student, whenever they want. But that's going to run out, and hopefully when it runs out in college, they're able to go to a level of playing basketball that is really good for them.

Coach k forty two years ambassad now in the speaking circuit. Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won more basketball games and men's basketball, and that is saying something. There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on every night. It can be Rick Carlisle or Chris Finch. There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy Tom Izzo, Basketball's got great coaches everyoney And you're at the very top of that coach, and I appreciate you stopping by.

Coach k forty two years ambassad now in the speaking circuit. Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won more basketball games and men's basketball, and that is saying something. There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on every night. It can be Rick Carlisle or Chris Finch. There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy Tom Izzo, Basketball's got great coaches everyoney And you're at the very top of that coach, and I appreciate you stopping by.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I've always enjoyed being on and thanks for not forgetting me. Yeah, that was you know, I don't even know why I said that. I shouldn't have said that.

No, I've always enjoyed being on and thanks for not forgetting me. Yeah, that was you know, I don't even know why I said that. I shouldn't have said that.

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That just go right into the ether. Nobody heard but you and me. That's it. That's the only people that heard it.

That just go right into the ether. Nobody heard but you and me. That's it. That's the only people that heard it.

All right, all right, good see, thanks for having me out.

All right, all right, good see, thanks for having me out.

You're at the great Mike Krzyzewski. Yeah, it's uh.

You're at the great Mike Krzyzewski. Yeah, it's uh.

I mean, like I think what it took Mike a couple of years to embrace one and done.

I mean, like I think what it took Mike a couple of years to embrace one and done.

But I think with N I L.

But I think with N I L.

You can complain about stuff, like Rick Carla or Rick Patino said. You can complain about stuff, or you can embrace it and try to figure it out. It's like anything. I mean, I almost look at N I L as a new tax code. All right, got a new tax code. An accountant's job is to figure out how to use it best for his clients. I mean, in the end, you can you know, I don't like what it is. It by the way, every year, the wild wild West will get a little less wild, and everybody will get their arms around it, and we're going to be okay, Nick, Right, Coach K good guest today. As I get ready to get on a plane with a few others and head to a beautiful city, some of us are staying behind.