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Oh, it's the Friday after Round one NFL Draft am main primary topic today Round one of the NFL drafts. All sorts of surprises. Jmacair Urban Meyer stopped by this dollar, Michael Urban and studio Shador Sanders did not get drafted. It is boot. You know, it's so much to talk about miss draft. You know, I just watched because certain things happen, and I'm texting with friends, you know in the league all night and with people all night, wrised. Everybody, Well they all got back. It's other final time. Like all my buddies who are working in this league in the executive tweaked, all excited. They're all fired up, bopen optimism maybe yeah. And by the way, I tend to think the guys that I connect with are really smart, and they all did really well. Oh everybody did great. Everybody ate the first round. But I want to start with this. You know, it's hard for me to have sympathy for some of these losing franchises. There's a reason the same team's draft at the top every year, and then I always feel like the Jets are up there, the Jaguars are up there. So think about Jacksonville. And I never talked Jacksonville, so this will be brief. They trade up in the draft. They have a first time head coach, a first time GM, a first time offensive coordinator, a first time defensive coordinator. They've had one little brief three day camp. You don't even know you were personnel good enough yet to make a massive trade. Not to mention Travis Hunter is unbelievably talented, but you got to deal with that offense defensive pivot thing. Like jackson you don't know your personnel well enough yet to make a massive trade. You got first time GM coach coordinators, how about you going through a camp or two huge swing over compensate and Cleveland, Cleveland, which needs a future quarterback. I mean, can you just say arch Manning. They now have two potential top ten picks in next year's draft, which is a significantly better draft than this one. So Cleveland's like, yeah, we'll take picks for next year. This is a bad draft. I mean, this was not a very good draft, so I mean to me Cleveland and Cleveland, by the way, also now has two of the four first picks in Round two. So Cleveland ends up getting a first round pick, and then they get potentially today Travian Henderson running back Will Johnson, and they already got Mason Graham and they'll have Jacksonville's first round pick. Cleveland set themselves up beautifully. And listen, I like Andrew Berry. I have I've said this. The ownership drives me nuts. I love the coach and I love the GM. I'm a Stefanski fan through and through, and I like Andrew Berry. I love those guys. They've had to overcome some nonsense upstairs, but I love those guys. Cleveland ace the test. They got a first round pick and a better draft. They got Mason Graham, They're gonna end up getting potentially two more. There's some really nice players in the top seven picks in this draft. And oh, by the way, they're not the only ones, Atlanta, The hell are you doing? Atlanta gave the Rams again a first round pick as they look to draft Matt Stafford's replacement. The Rams that told me six months ago they weren't going to draft the quarterback in the first round. This was not the quarterback first round draft. So the Rams got a second round pick a first round pick. Next year in the draft they'll have to draft a quarterback a much better quarterback draft. And Atlanta, who already drafted a net rusher, gave up a first round pick for another red rusher who, by the way, was off at least eight to ten teams boards because of character issues. What are you doing? You don't late in round one in a week draft give up a first round pick for a much better draft for a position you drafted earlier, on a player that was off many teams boards.

Oh, it's the Friday after Round one NFL Draft am main primary topic today Round one of the NFL drafts. All sorts of surprises. Jmacair Urban Meyer stopped by this dollar, Michael Urban and studio Shador Sanders did not get drafted. It is boot. You know, it's so much to talk about miss draft. You know, I just watched because certain things happen, and I'm texting with friends, you know in the league all night and with people all night, wrised. Everybody, Well they all got back. It's other final time. Like all my buddies who are working in this league in the executive tweaked, all excited. They're all fired up, bopen optimism maybe yeah. And by the way, I tend to think the guys that I connect with are really smart, and they all did really well. Oh everybody did great. Everybody ate the first round. But I want to start with this. You know, it's hard for me to have sympathy for some of these losing franchises. There's a reason the same team's draft at the top every year, and then I always feel like the Jets are up there, the Jaguars are up there. So think about Jacksonville. And I never talked Jacksonville, so this will be brief. They trade up in the draft. They have a first time head coach, a first time GM, a first time offensive coordinator, a first time defensive coordinator. They've had one little brief three day camp. You don't even know you were personnel good enough yet to make a massive trade. Not to mention Travis Hunter is unbelievably talented, but you got to deal with that offense defensive pivot thing. Like jackson you don't know your personnel well enough yet to make a massive trade. You got first time GM coach coordinators, how about you going through a camp or two huge swing over compensate and Cleveland, Cleveland, which needs a future quarterback. I mean, can you just say arch Manning. They now have two potential top ten picks in next year's draft, which is a significantly better draft than this one. So Cleveland's like, yeah, we'll take picks for next year. This is a bad draft. I mean, this was not a very good draft, so I mean to me Cleveland and Cleveland, by the way, also now has two of the four first picks in Round two. So Cleveland ends up getting a first round pick, and then they get potentially today Travian Henderson running back Will Johnson, and they already got Mason Graham and they'll have Jacksonville's first round pick. Cleveland set themselves up beautifully. And listen, I like Andrew Berry. I have I've said this. The ownership drives me nuts. I love the coach and I love the GM. I'm a Stefanski fan through and through, and I like Andrew Berry. I love those guys. They've had to overcome some nonsense upstairs, but I love those guys. Cleveland ace the test. They got a first round pick and a better draft. They got Mason Graham, They're gonna end up getting potentially two more. There's some really nice players in the top seven picks in this draft. And oh, by the way, they're not the only ones, Atlanta, The hell are you doing? Atlanta gave the Rams again a first round pick as they look to draft Matt Stafford's replacement. The Rams that told me six months ago they weren't going to draft the quarterback in the first round. This was not the quarterback first round draft. So the Rams got a second round pick a first round pick. Next year in the draft they'll have to draft a quarterback a much better quarterback draft. And Atlanta, who already drafted a net rusher, gave up a first round pick for another red rusher who, by the way, was off at least eight to ten teams boards because of character issues. What are you doing? You don't late in round one in a week draft give up a first round pick for a much better draft for a position you drafted earlier, on a player that was off many teams boards.

Lord.

Lord.

And conversely, again, save your empathy for the people who deserve it, you know, I mean like burn victims and orphans, I mean savior imp I don't feel sorry for some of these teams who did well. Shocking the Harbaughs. Jim Harbaugh gets Najee Harris and now he's got Hampton the running back. Jim Harbaugh's got his classic Stanford Michigan. He's got his backfield. He's ready to go. Two power runners with Joe Alton Slater. Now they're going to go get a tight ends and wide receivers. By the way, who also did well Baltimore, John Harbon, the Ravens. Once again, they go to the SEC. They get the best safety in the draft. He's a Georgia guy. All those Georgia first round guys work. So it's like as much of stuff changes too much, it stays the same. I'll give Cleveland a ton of credit, but I like their people anyway. Again, I think Barry and Stefanski are really smart guys. I know people that know him. I don't know him. I know people that know him, people really respect him. But I mean, this is not a good draft, and everybody knows it. This is not a great draft. You're drafting late like Atlanta. You're giving up a first round pick and a better draft. Now the Rams will not have a great first round pick next year because they're good, but Atlanta could be average so they could get a top They just got into the top two potentially of next year's draft in a much better draft, in a draft. They need a quarterback Cleveland, same thing. It's just crazy to me. And you know, yesterday Diana Russini came on the show and it was funny. Remember when she came on the show. Diana Russini said that she was told Jacksonville was gonna do something exciting. How about just doing something smart? If you got first time coach GM coordinators, what are you doing taking massive swings on a player that it's gonna be kind of hard to massage because he should be a receiver, but he wants to be a corner and that's gonna be a little tricky.

And conversely, again, save your empathy for the people who deserve it, you know, I mean like burn victims and orphans, I mean savior imp I don't feel sorry for some of these teams who did well. Shocking the Harbaughs. Jim Harbaugh gets Najee Harris and now he's got Hampton the running back. Jim Harbaugh's got his classic Stanford Michigan. He's got his backfield. He's ready to go. Two power runners with Joe Alton Slater. Now they're going to go get a tight ends and wide receivers. By the way, who also did well Baltimore, John Harbon, the Ravens. Once again, they go to the SEC. They get the best safety in the draft. He's a Georgia guy. All those Georgia first round guys work. So it's like as much of stuff changes too much, it stays the same. I'll give Cleveland a ton of credit, but I like their people anyway. Again, I think Barry and Stefanski are really smart guys. I know people that know him. I don't know him. I know people that know him, people really respect him. But I mean, this is not a good draft, and everybody knows it. This is not a great draft. You're drafting late like Atlanta. You're giving up a first round pick and a better draft. Now the Rams will not have a great first round pick next year because they're good, but Atlanta could be average so they could get a top They just got into the top two potentially of next year's draft in a much better draft, in a draft. They need a quarterback Cleveland, same thing. It's just crazy to me. And you know, yesterday Diana Russini came on the show and it was funny. Remember when she came on the show. Diana Russini said that she was told Jacksonville was gonna do something exciting. How about just doing something smart? If you got first time coach GM coordinators, what are you doing taking massive swings on a player that it's gonna be kind of hard to massage because he should be a receiver, but he wants to be a corner and that's gonna be a little tricky.

Ech.

Ech.

Okay, let's get to the shede Ry Sanders thing. So you know, let me tell you something. It's never a bad message to tell your kids. Be humble. Humility works in the summer, it works in the fall. Humility works in the spring. Humility works in the winter. Gash your kids up too much. It didn't really bother me when they retired Shador Sanders number. But he has a five hundred quarterback who couldn't get drafted in the first round. It's a little much. Everything is something. Nothing is everything. Shadoor Sanders didn't get drafted. There's multiple reports. Eh O cocky what ebbs? But I'm watching his draft room and the word legendary is all over the draft room. I'm like, can we just can we just pull the temperature down a little? It's not the end of the world. If he had Caleb Williams talent, nobody would I guess care about it.

Okay, let's get to the shede Ry Sanders thing. So you know, let me tell you something. It's never a bad message to tell your kids. Be humble. Humility works in the summer, it works in the fall. Humility works in the spring. Humility works in the winter. Gash your kids up too much. It didn't really bother me when they retired Shador Sanders number. But he has a five hundred quarterback who couldn't get drafted in the first round. It's a little much. Everything is something. Nothing is everything. Shadoor Sanders didn't get drafted. There's multiple reports. Eh O cocky what ebbs? But I'm watching his draft room and the word legendary is all over the draft room. I'm like, can we just can we just pull the temperature down a little? It's not the end of the world. If he had Caleb Williams talent, nobody would I guess care about it.

That.

That.

The whole thing is like, Bro, you wore New York Giant cleats. Remember when he wore the New York Giant cleats? Like like, like, can we just humility is not? I know in society everybody loves the TikTok watch thing. You know who doesn't apparently love it? NFL executives, you're drafting employees. That's all these teams are doing. They're drafting employees. Did you notice the two players in the first round that moved up about ten spots? What a shock to a plus plus plus character guys, the receiver from Ohio State. We talked about this all week, A plus plus plus character, humble, hardworking. Everybody that I have as a source loved that kid. Not just a player, they loved that kid. Shocking. He went from middle of the second round to middle of the first over the last month. And a half. What a shock, great player, but checks all the boxes.

The whole thing is like, Bro, you wore New York Giant cleats. Remember when he wore the New York Giant cleats? Like like, like, can we just humility is not? I know in society everybody loves the TikTok watch thing. You know who doesn't apparently love it? NFL executives, you're drafting employees. That's all these teams are doing. They're drafting employees. Did you notice the two players in the first round that moved up about ten spots? What a shock to a plus plus plus character guys, the receiver from Ohio State. We talked about this all week, A plus plus plus character, humble, hardworking. Everybody that I have as a source loved that kid. Not just a player, they loved that kid. Shocking. He went from middle of the second round to middle of the first over the last month. And a half. What a shock, great player, but checks all the boxes.

You know.

You know.

The other kid that moved up about half around was Tyler Booker, the guard the Dallas Cowboys got team captain. Unbelievable passion. How do you not love that kid? I mean, how do you know what that kid a team? I'm never gonna criticize any player who cares that much about being drafted. I want to buy that guy's jersey. I wish he wasn't a guard, it would be I mean, but who are the guys that moved up in the draft team captains? I mean, there was Joel Klatz talking about a story yesterday about Buka. He could have gotne too the NFL last year. He would have been a fourth round pick, but he could have gone. But he wanted to stay. He wanted to be part of the great Ohio state receiver lineage. He wanted to help the new kid from Alabama, Jeremiah Smith, the great receiver they have like like work his way into the Buckeyes. Like that stuff matters. You are drafting employees. Can we just go back in society where hard work matters and humility's not uncool? I know you're gonna race to TikTok, and you got all your stuff on TikTok. It's not the end of the world. I don't really care. If you have great talent, I'm drafting you. But like something has happened in America, where can we just have it's humili be the worst thing. You gotta put legendary everywhere. How about you play a game one? Just give me one game and then you can put legendary all over your house. I don't care. It's just and I listen, I'm not rooting against the kid. I like Sandor Sanders. I think he's good. I like him more than Jackson Dart. I may be in the minority. I'll get to the giants pick. I mean I like him. I would have drafted him I needed a quarterback. I think he's bigger than people think. I think he's got good mechanics. I think he's super accurate, you know, I mean, I think he's pretty good. I think accuracy really matters. But as I watched the thing, look who got drafted higher than you thought, and look at some of the guys who fall, and I do think there is something to be said. This nil thing is gonna be tricky because guys come in now and they can throw their own parties and buy their own stuff. And that's fine. I don't resent any of that stuff. I'm not anti anybody. But listen, the Pittsburgh Steelers are desperate for a quarterback. When they moved, they said not interested. I mean, and Mike Tomlins about as player friendly as anybody in the league. So it's just let me just say this again. Everything with a quarterback is something. Nothing's everything. But don't listen to the young media that's always pro player everything with quarterbacks on all the texts I get for my entire career. Everything with quarterbacks, you are judged differently. It's all something. May not be everything, it's something. And so I think Shooter is going to go very early today. Jackson Dart I'll get to that in a second, but it's wildly fun. My lead today though, was these teams that draft at the top every year. I cannot believe Jacksonville took that swing with all first time people in the building. I don't. I mean, I had a soup. I had a NFL executor that sent me a laugh emoji after that pick and texted me and said he is not on at least five boards I know of. And again, James Pierce could not being a good player. He's a very good player. But you give it up a first round pick and a better draft. What are we doing here?

The other kid that moved up about half around was Tyler Booker, the guard the Dallas Cowboys got team captain. Unbelievable passion. How do you not love that kid? I mean, how do you know what that kid a team? I'm never gonna criticize any player who cares that much about being drafted. I want to buy that guy's jersey. I wish he wasn't a guard, it would be I mean, but who are the guys that moved up in the draft team captains? I mean, there was Joel Klatz talking about a story yesterday about Buka. He could have gotne too the NFL last year. He would have been a fourth round pick, but he could have gone. But he wanted to stay. He wanted to be part of the great Ohio state receiver lineage. He wanted to help the new kid from Alabama, Jeremiah Smith, the great receiver they have like like work his way into the Buckeyes. Like that stuff matters. You are drafting employees. Can we just go back in society where hard work matters and humility's not uncool? I know you're gonna race to TikTok, and you got all your stuff on TikTok. It's not the end of the world. I don't really care. If you have great talent, I'm drafting you. But like something has happened in America, where can we just have it's humili be the worst thing. You gotta put legendary everywhere. How about you play a game one? Just give me one game and then you can put legendary all over your house. I don't care. It's just and I listen, I'm not rooting against the kid. I like Sandor Sanders. I think he's good. I like him more than Jackson Dart. I may be in the minority. I'll get to the giants pick. I mean I like him. I would have drafted him I needed a quarterback. I think he's bigger than people think. I think he's got good mechanics. I think he's super accurate, you know, I mean, I think he's pretty good. I think accuracy really matters. But as I watched the thing, look who got drafted higher than you thought, and look at some of the guys who fall, and I do think there is something to be said. This nil thing is gonna be tricky because guys come in now and they can throw their own parties and buy their own stuff. And that's fine. I don't resent any of that stuff. I'm not anti anybody. But listen, the Pittsburgh Steelers are desperate for a quarterback. When they moved, they said not interested. I mean, and Mike Tomlins about as player friendly as anybody in the league. So it's just let me just say this again. Everything with a quarterback is something. Nothing's everything. But don't listen to the young media that's always pro player everything with quarterbacks on all the texts I get for my entire career. Everything with quarterbacks, you are judged differently. It's all something. May not be everything, it's something. And so I think Shooter is going to go very early today. Jackson Dart I'll get to that in a second, but it's wildly fun. My lead today though, was these teams that draft at the top every year. I cannot believe Jacksonville took that swing with all first time people in the building. I don't. I mean, I had a soup. I had a NFL executor that sent me a laugh emoji after that pick and texted me and said he is not on at least five boards I know of. And again, James Pierce could not being a good player. He's a very good player. But you give it up a first round pick and a better draft. What are we doing here?

I actually like what Atlanta did get in two pass rushers, shopping in the SEC where they have the best pass rushers. But Kin, let me make a quick point about this Travis Hunter trade.

I actually like what Atlanta did get in two pass rushers, shopping in the SEC where they have the best pass rushers. But Kin, let me make a quick point about this Travis Hunter trade.

So you know how.

So you know how.

Sometimes we as guys like to signal to women like, Hey, I've got a Porsche or I've got a big, big truck. I'm signaling to you what kind of guy I am? I think Jacksonville was signaling to everybody else. Hey, we're gonna be cool. We're gonna go get Travis Hunter. Everybody loves this generational right player. We're not the International Jack Jaguars, the team that's got to play in London every year. We're cool, We're relevant. I don't care that we're giving up a twenty twenty six first, but we are. We're a cool team now that we've got Travis Hunters. I think I don't love that strategy.

Sometimes we as guys like to signal to women like, Hey, I've got a Porsche or I've got a big, big truck. I'm signaling to you what kind of guy I am? I think Jacksonville was signaling to everybody else. Hey, we're gonna be cool. We're gonna go get Travis Hunter. Everybody loves this generational right player. We're not the International Jack Jaguars, the team that's got to play in London every year. We're cool, We're relevant. I don't care that we're giving up a twenty twenty six first, but we are. We're a cool team now that we've got Travis Hunters. I think I don't love that strategy.

No, no, I'm not hating on the player. Travis Hunter is a good player, but you are a franchise that coach GM coordinators. You don't even know your personnel that well.

No, no, I'm not hating on the player. Travis Hunter is a good player, but you are a franchise that coach GM coordinators. You don't even know your personnel that well.

Is he going to be Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.

Is he going to be Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

Well.

Well.

I think he's going to be an excellent NFL player and I am rooting for him and I can't wait to watch him. But I mean, everybody want to, Hey, we're gonna make the draft exciting. Just make it smart. The team's drafting at the top. They need players. They don't need fun and exciting. They need more players. I mean, you look at Philadelphia's roster, Detroit roster, Baltimore's roster, the Rams roster, I mean the Rams, by the way, why do they move back? Well, they wanted Colston Lovely, they wanted the tight end for the Raiders Bowers last year. McVay is looking to upgrade at tight end. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams first pick today is a tight end or a corner bling green. Yeah, I mean they want a tight end. They want to, so they thought about it. But but they moved down. Why because they want? They did the teams at the bottom of the draft to have very few needs. What does Philadelphia need what is Kansasity, Buffalo, Baltimore need Baltimore already has an All Pro safety. They were like, let's go get another one. So it's just it's I just, I'm gonna save in life empathy for those that deserve it and some of you teams that keep doing dumb stuff. I don't, I don't. I don't feel bad.

I think he's going to be an excellent NFL player and I am rooting for him and I can't wait to watch him. But I mean, everybody want to, Hey, we're gonna make the draft exciting. Just make it smart. The team's drafting at the top. They need players. They don't need fun and exciting. They need more players. I mean, you look at Philadelphia's roster, Detroit roster, Baltimore's roster, the Rams roster, I mean the Rams, by the way, why do they move back? Well, they wanted Colston Lovely, they wanted the tight end for the Raiders Bowers last year. McVay is looking to upgrade at tight end. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams first pick today is a tight end or a corner bling green. Yeah, I mean they want a tight end. They want to, so they thought about it. But but they moved down. Why because they want? They did the teams at the bottom of the draft to have very few needs. What does Philadelphia need what is Kansasity, Buffalo, Baltimore need Baltimore already has an All Pro safety. They were like, let's go get another one. So it's just it's I just, I'm gonna save in life empathy for those that deserve it and some of you teams that keep doing dumb stuff. I don't, I don't. I don't feel bad.

I thought Pittsburgh was going to be in consideration for a lead for you today drafting a defensive play.

I thought Pittsburgh was going to be in consideration for a lead for you today drafting a defensive play.

No, you know what, I'll defend Pittsburgh, l I just I will. I want to talk about what the Bears did.

No, you know what, I'll defend Pittsburgh, l I just I will. I want to talk about what the Bears did.

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Just because you've been a losing franchise doesn't mean you don't have smart people in the building. Cleveland's a losing franchise, but I think Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski pulled off a little bit of a heist with Jacksonville. Listen to Chicago, maybe losing franchise. I loved their pick. So you don't have to coddle your kids or coddle a quarterback, but you can set them up for success. They went out upgraded their O line. If you're paying attention in Chicago, Dolman the center from Atlanta, Top eight center, Joe Tooney, top two or three interior lineman Jonah Jackson starter. So they've upgraded their offensive line. They like their right tackle, and now they hire an offensive coach and they go get Colston Loveland from Michigan, who the Rams liked, the Chargers liked, uh Denver liked, like the smart offensive guys in this league. All sniffed moving up to get this guy, but the price was too steep. All the people I trust the offensive they all love this Michigan kid. And so now Kaylub Williams has DJ Moore, Roma Dunzee cole kmet Colton Lovelan Swift the running back. Massive upgrades interior line, and today they have picks number seven and number nine, so you're gonna get two more potential guys who can start. So this is called putting a quarterback in a position to succeed. That's what this is called. Head coach, O line weapons upgrade. Caleb Williams already got a hold of Colston Lovelin and they're already communicating. And in my lifetime. I've said before, they've always been a little bit like the Steelers. They lean defense, they smell defense, they feel defense. Chicago has as good a young group of offensive players top to bottom as you're gonna find in this league, with very few exceptions. Maybe Philly's better. You know, there's a there's a some more to good rosters in this league. But again, and we need Caleb Williams here. We need Caleb to be good in September because if you're a franchise quarterback in the NFC, you're gonna have to go through Jaden Daniels in Washington and Jayden Daniels last year with a shaky o line and one weapon had a one oh seven passer rating in September. So I have said this multiple times. With Ben Johnson, Cole Comet, now Loveland, Dj Moore capable running backs, they'll add another in this draft. He needs to be good in September because that's when the good weather is, that's when you console the ball down the field. So Caleb's got to have a good camp. Caleb's got to have a good preseason. It is fair to say, Caleb, you got to be good in September. I'm not wait until Thanksgiving. And again, it's just like kids like you. You don't have to coddle your kids, but you can set them up for success. You know, give them a healthy lunch, get them a computer, if they need a tutor. You're not babying them. You're setting them up for success. This is perfect. I mean, this is that you. You got to coach, You got the interior on line to protect your feet. You got a number one receiver. Two very different and very good tight I mean cole Comet and Loveland are two different stylistic tight ends. So you know there's there's a difference between hand holding and a headstart. But I love what Chicago did. Here is here is Ben Johnson on the phone call to get a really unique tight end talent. Now come on, now.

Just because you've been a losing franchise doesn't mean you don't have smart people in the building. Cleveland's a losing franchise, but I think Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski pulled off a little bit of a heist with Jacksonville. Listen to Chicago, maybe losing franchise. I loved their pick. So you don't have to coddle your kids or coddle a quarterback, but you can set them up for success. They went out upgraded their O line. If you're paying attention in Chicago, Dolman the center from Atlanta, Top eight center, Joe Tooney, top two or three interior lineman Jonah Jackson starter. So they've upgraded their offensive line. They like their right tackle, and now they hire an offensive coach and they go get Colston Loveland from Michigan, who the Rams liked, the Chargers liked, uh Denver liked, like the smart offensive guys in this league. All sniffed moving up to get this guy, but the price was too steep. All the people I trust the offensive they all love this Michigan kid. And so now Kaylub Williams has DJ Moore, Roma Dunzee cole kmet Colton Lovelan Swift the running back. Massive upgrades interior line, and today they have picks number seven and number nine, so you're gonna get two more potential guys who can start. So this is called putting a quarterback in a position to succeed. That's what this is called. Head coach, O line weapons upgrade. Caleb Williams already got a hold of Colston Lovelin and they're already communicating. And in my lifetime. I've said before, they've always been a little bit like the Steelers. They lean defense, they smell defense, they feel defense. Chicago has as good a young group of offensive players top to bottom as you're gonna find in this league, with very few exceptions. Maybe Philly's better. You know, there's a there's a some more to good rosters in this league. But again, and we need Caleb Williams here. We need Caleb to be good in September because if you're a franchise quarterback in the NFC, you're gonna have to go through Jaden Daniels in Washington and Jayden Daniels last year with a shaky o line and one weapon had a one oh seven passer rating in September. So I have said this multiple times. With Ben Johnson, Cole Comet, now Loveland, Dj Moore capable running backs, they'll add another in this draft. He needs to be good in September because that's when the good weather is, that's when you console the ball down the field. So Caleb's got to have a good camp. Caleb's got to have a good preseason. It is fair to say, Caleb, you got to be good in September. I'm not wait until Thanksgiving. And again, it's just like kids like you. You don't have to coddle your kids, but you can set them up for success. You know, give them a healthy lunch, get them a computer, if they need a tutor. You're not babying them. You're setting them up for success. This is perfect. I mean, this is that you. You got to coach, You got the interior on line to protect your feet. You got a number one receiver. Two very different and very good tight I mean cole Comet and Loveland are two different stylistic tight ends. So you know there's there's a difference between hand holding and a headstart. But I love what Chicago did. Here is here is Ben Johnson on the phone call to get a really unique tight end talent. Now come on, now.

We took it a hot great man.

We took it a hot great man.

I'm telling you I appreciate smart.

I'm telling you I appreciate smart.

I mean, well, yeah, I know exactly what we're getting.

I mean, well, yeah, I know exactly what we're getting.

Man.

Man.

Yeah, what an exciting time for them. I thought that go defense, But when Loveland's there, you know it is It is interesting. I've said this. What always drives me nuts is when players get more valuable when they stopped playing Jackson Dart, he got better when he stopped playing this guy at Michigan, a team that led. Let's be honest, Michigan was about running the football defense, O line. Go look at this kid's numbers, his production in college. So I have no problem with him moving up in the draft. McVeigh liked him, Hardball liked him, Show Peyton liked him. A lot of the smart offensive coaches that I know in this league. I was told they all liked him. Buy your Bear season tickets immediately.

Yeah, what an exciting time for them. I thought that go defense, But when Loveland's there, you know it is It is interesting. I've said this. What always drives me nuts is when players get more valuable when they stopped playing Jackson Dart, he got better when he stopped playing this guy at Michigan, a team that led. Let's be honest, Michigan was about running the football defense, O line. Go look at this kid's numbers, his production in college. So I have no problem with him moving up in the draft. McVeigh liked him, Hardball liked him, Show Peyton liked him. A lot of the smart offensive coaches that I know in this league. I was told they all liked him. Buy your Bear season tickets immediately.

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All right, Michael IRV and haven't had him on in a while, the playmakers, I miss you, I was missing Okay, let's get Let's start in a positive note. So I am a believer that football practice is hard baseball, hitting the balls for batting, cage basketball practice a good time. Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game. I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like, I want that guy on my team. I don't watch interior lineman much. To me, it's like starter day one. Now they got their guards. DA's coming off a second surgery. Keep those feet and knees clean. What did you think of it? You know?

All right, Michael IRV and haven't had him on in a while, the playmakers, I miss you, I was missing Okay, let's get Let's start in a positive note. So I am a believer that football practice is hard baseball, hitting the balls for batting, cage basketball practice a good time. Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game. I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like, I want that guy on my team. I don't watch interior lineman much. To me, it's like starter day one. Now they got their guards. DA's coming off a second surgery. Keep those feet and knees clean. What did you think of it? You know?

And I spoke all week Colin, and I took my strategic approach to this. I knew the last three those three years we went twelve and five. We have a thirty twenty eight twenty seven points, so about twenty eight twenty eight points a game, and last year we dropped the twenty.

And I spoke all week Colin, and I took my strategic approach to this. I knew the last three those three years we went twelve and five. We have a thirty twenty eight twenty seven points, so about twenty eight twenty eight points a game, and last year we dropped the twenty.

I wanted gent R McMillan.

I wanted gent R McMillan.

So I did try to put those seven eight points back on the board strengthen one unit because we had too many places that we need to field with players. I didn't get my playmakers, but I'm with you, buddy, I got a great player because I always talked this game is like you talked about, it's not just about skill, it's also about will. And I'll give up a little skill if I know this guy got the right will, in the right excitement and one of those guys that no matter what, when I come to work, he's gonna make me feel like working. He has the right attitude. You need those guys on your team. You cannot go anywhere without them. And the way he handled that drive charts when he yelled and big three hundred pounds come running.

So I did try to put those seven eight points back on the board strengthen one unit because we had too many places that we need to field with players. I didn't get my playmakers, but I'm with you, buddy, I got a great player because I always talked this game is like you talked about, it's not just about skill, it's also about will. And I'll give up a little skill if I know this guy got the right will, in the right excitement and one of those guys that no matter what, when I come to work, he's gonna make me feel like working. He has the right attitude. You need those guys on your team. You cannot go anywhere without them. And the way he handled that drive charts when he yelled and big three hundred pounds come running.

You know how hard you get The fact joke was the run and he was running for free.

You know how hard you get The fact joke was the run and he was running for free.

He wouldn't even getting paid for that run.

He wouldn't even getting paid for that run.

Come on, man, let's stop playing. I love that attitude. Yeah.

Come on, man, let's stop playing. I love that attitude. Yeah.

I loved this from Bill Parcells years ago when he left Alice. He went to Miami as the GM and he took a one win team to an eleven, and he went and stole a few of the cowboys, not their stars. He went and got weight room guys, passionate guys, And there's just value in guys that love going to work. You can build your now you need stars, but you win a lot of games on passion culture, weight room, locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because I like him more than Jackson, dart shadeor Sanders. The Steelers in his sights and they go defensive linemen.

I loved this from Bill Parcells years ago when he left Alice. He went to Miami as the GM and he took a one win team to an eleven, and he went and stole a few of the cowboys, not their stars. He went and got weight room guys, passionate guys, And there's just value in guys that love going to work. You can build your now you need stars, but you win a lot of games on passion culture, weight room, locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because I like him more than Jackson, dart shadeor Sanders. The Steelers in his sights and they go defensive linemen.

And the pain of that moment was we knew that for years, for years, not just this year.

And the pain of that moment was we knew that for years, for years, not just this year.

It's been since.

It's been since.

Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been looking and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here, I thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity to get that taken care of, and you went and drafted another alignment. That was surprising because I can't in my own mind rationalized after the organizations had cheated Mike Tumblin of a quarterback, even if my I couldn't imagine if Mike Tumblin was on the table saying I get him, I got my quarterback right here. He's right here for us, and they went by him. So so that was the hard take right there. Act one, which is Beyond's number to be passed for for for them to pass your door.

Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been looking and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here, I thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity to get that taken care of, and you went and drafted another alignment. That was surprising because I can't in my own mind rationalized after the organizations had cheated Mike Tumblin of a quarterback, even if my I couldn't imagine if Mike Tumblin was on the table saying I get him, I got my quarterback right here. He's right here for us, and they went by him. So so that was the hard take right there. Act one, which is Beyond's number to be passed for for for them to pass your door.

Why do you think people pass?

Why do you think people pass?

That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says, and I don't care. You can't find anybody that sitting in this chair that tells you that they've seen a kid have that kind of success on the football field. I've seen them through every play on the football field, and we were going through this. There's no way this is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is what he doesn't run?

That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says, and I don't care. You can't find anybody that sitting in this chair that tells you that they've seen a kid have that kind of success on the football field. I've seen them through every play on the football field, and we were going through this. There's no way this is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is what he doesn't run?

Like?

Like?

What about the stories that came out this week where there's a lot of ego. What about that stuff?

What about the stories that came out this week where there's a lot of ego. What about that stuff?

You need ego.

You need ego.

You need egos, especially for where some of these teams are and for where they've been. Some of these teams have been in a hellhole for a long long time. What do you think you gonna get the greatest, little, kindest, nicest guys to complete.

You need egos, especially for where some of these teams are and for where they've been. Some of these teams have been in a hellhole for a long long time. What do you think you gonna get the greatest, little, kindest, nicest guys to complete.

You out of that hellhole? You need people with egos, That's what I'm talking about.

You out of that hellhole? You need people with egos, That's what I'm talking about.

It's always the organizations that haven't won anything and forever talking about guys with egos. You need different people to come change your culture. Stop talking about that guy has an ego. Maybe the ego is big enough to get you out of this hull hell hole, Go drive him. That's what you need. So I don't give substance to that kind of SERI.

It's always the organizations that haven't won anything and forever talking about guys with egos. You need different people to come change your culture. Stop talking about that guy has an ego. Maybe the ego is big enough to get you out of this hull hell hole, Go drive him. That's what you need. So I don't give substance to that kind of SERI.

The Cowboys team had ego.

The Cowboys team had ego.

You need it.

You need it.

You're walking on the field to get some of the greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you, how the hell can you think anyone else will believe in you? So you need that that that's not that's that, that's nothing, and that stuff that people that don't play on the football field, those are the stuff that people that wear the suits, say, people that wear the uniforms on the football field, they know how important ego is.

You're walking on the field to get some of the greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you, how the hell can you think anyone else will believe in you? So you need that that that's not that's that, that's nothing, and that stuff that people that don't play on the football field, those are the stuff that people that wear the suits, say, people that wear the uniforms on the football field, they know how important ego is.

That's the stuff. They're stupid.

That's the stuff. They're stupid.

So I think it'll be fine. I would rather plan them at receiver than corner. Travis Hunter. No, because I I think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather have twelve targets than chasing guys over the field who are decoys. I want them in the game.

So I think it'll be fine. I would rather plan them at receiver than corner. Travis Hunter. No, because I I think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather have twelve targets than chasing guys over the field who are decoys. I want them in the game.

I am.

I am.

I do think Jacksonville's got a new coach, new coordinator, new GM. You got that toggle between Are you in the meetings? Tell me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter? Is it gonna be a problem.

I do think Jacksonville's got a new coach, new coordinator, new GM. You got that toggle between Are you in the meetings? Tell me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter? Is it gonna be a problem.

I laugh when people say this to me. You know, will can Travis play both shives? I said, are you joking? I was there, I saw it. I saw Dion Sander's get off of HeLa Copter. Wasn't in any practice or any meeting off for Helma.

I laugh when people say this to me. You know, will can Travis play both shives? I said, are you joking? I was there, I saw it. I saw Dion Sander's get off of HeLa Copter. Wasn't in any practice or any meeting off for Helma.

Copter And shut jokers down. You see what I mean?

Copter And shut jokers down. You see what I mean?

Put him in the offensive meetings, make sure he gets his timing with the quarterback, and then tell him we'll see you in defensive practice. He knows what cover one is, that's man covered. He knows what Cover two is. That's two safeties back and we uppressing. He knows what Cover three is, that's the old cover with one high safety. You know that stuff from birth.

Put him in the offensive meetings, make sure he gets his timing with the quarterback, and then tell him we'll see you in defensive practice. He knows what cover one is, that's man covered. He knows what Cover two is. That's two safeties back and we uppressing. He knows what Cover three is, that's the old cover with one high safety. You know that stuff from birth.

You know, let's pray keep to leeve. Once told me this. I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh god, how long Bill Belichick? Very sophisticated. He says, yeah. By the end of the second practice, I knew what it was, right. I knew where I had to be.

You know, let's pray keep to leeve. Once told me this. I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh god, how long Bill Belichick? Very sophisticated. He says, yeah. By the end of the second practice, I knew what it was, right. I knew where I had to be.

Right right, especially like him, because I gotta stop that guy, all right, I gotta stop that guy. That's why he's coming in. This dude here is going to be I have to stop that guy. You're gonna put him on your best guy, even after he ran twenty plays on offense.

Right right, especially like him, because I gotta stop that guy, all right, I gotta stop that guy. That's why he's coming in. This dude here is going to be I have to stop that guy. You're gonna put him on your best guy, even after he ran twenty plays on offense.

So you, Jodsonville was brilliant last night. I don't care what anybody said.

So you, Jodsonville was brilliant last night. I don't care what anybody said.

Swings gave up a lot, and.

Swings gave up a lot, and.

You didn't know. I don't think they gave up a lot. They got two first rounders. So you're saying they gave up two first rounds Cleveland.

You didn't know. I don't think they gave up a lot. They got two first rounders. So you're saying they gave up two first rounds Cleveland.

Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or right right now.

Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or right right now.

And that's why And right there again, do you think they'll take it ended with pain? And I don't want just want to start with pain.

And that's why And right there again, do you think they'll take it ended with pain? And I don't want just want to start with pain.

And I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized he didn't get drafted. Now you come back Cleveland passes again. Then then then I'm like, oh my god, that would throw that would throw me for such a loop. If if you can pick up a chador in the second round. We I know people are saying that's because I love Beonn and I do, and he's my boy, and he is, but we never seen anybody have this kind of success in college, that kind of success and and and watch this at the quarterback position, and we know how important it is.

And I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized he didn't get drafted. Now you come back Cleveland passes again. Then then then I'm like, oh my god, that would throw that would throw me for such a loop. If if you can pick up a chador in the second round. We I know people are saying that's because I love Beonn and I do, and he's my boy, and he is, but we never seen anybody have this kind of success in college, that kind of success and and and watch this at the quarterback position, and we know how important it is.

So yeah, this was He.

So yeah, this was He.

Was the most accurate quarterback in college ever with allows.

Was the most accurate quarterback in college ever with allows.

Him beat the hell up on the office Low.

Him beat the hell up on the office Low.

I like, we both like him. I would pick him in the first I would have piken him. I would have taken it VI with Pittsburgh. I would have they didn't need more defensive talent. Okay, right, so you talked me into cam mord I Again, I don't start the fires. I just I'm a journalist, right, So I had I had I suggested I didn't know if cam Ward could lead. My friends, these were internet rumors. I just laid him out there, but I do everybody I talked to you said at the end of the day.

I like, we both like him. I would pick him in the first I would have piken him. I would have taken it VI with Pittsburgh. I would have they didn't need more defensive talent. Okay, right, so you talked me into cam mord I Again, I don't start the fires. I just I'm a journalist, right, So I had I had I suggested I didn't know if cam Ward could lead. My friends, these were internet rumors. I just laid him out there, but I do everybody I talked to you said at the end of the day.

A great leader.

A great leader.

He's a I mean a kid, no star recruit, right. That is actually totally impressive to me.

He's a I mean a kid, no star recruit, right. That is actually totally impressive to me.

And it's the story you want going around in your locker room. Man, This dude works his way up. You know, most quarterbacks, you guys, they're trying to get everything in the NFL locker room.

And it's the story you want going around in your locker room. Man, This dude works his way up. You know, most quarterbacks, you guys, they're trying to get everything in the NFL locker room.

You like.

You like.

You like when you hear that a kid worked this way up, you know, And it means he's willing to put into work that I'm willing to follow him. And this kid is willing to put in the work.

You like when you hear that a kid worked this way up, you know, And it means he's willing to put into work that I'm willing to follow him. And this kid is willing to put in the work.

Man.

Man.

I talked to coach Crystal Ball yesterday about him. He said, Michael, the one thing I love about him. All he cares about is winning. And he knows how the rally guys at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee. That's going that, that's going to be, that's going to work great. It minds me a lot of steaming there and he is steaming there. And that city had a great union and I think this would be a great union.

I talked to coach Crystal Ball yesterday about him. He said, Michael, the one thing I love about him. All he cares about is winning. And he knows how the rally guys at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee. That's going that, that's going to be, that's going to work great. It minds me a lot of steaming there and he is steaming there. And that city had a great union and I think this would be a great union.

Know.

Know.

So, Yeah, and we have to be honest about this. Is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad and twenty one touchdowns and twenty two picks or maybe vice versa. So he Jay Mack and I both believe they will be a playoff team. That he's the only guy in the draft that can change outcomes. Now other guys will be good. He could change four losses to four wins, right it put.

So, Yeah, and we have to be honest about this. Is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad and twenty one touchdowns and twenty two picks or maybe vice versa. So he Jay Mack and I both believe they will be a playoff team. That he's the only guy in the draft that can change outcomes. Now other guys will be good. He could change four losses to four wins, right it put.

With the right situation, and this is no thing too.

With the right situation, and this is no thing too.

I likeking it because we did the comps to Patrick Mahomes and I was like, Okay, I love that the way the way this dude never gives up on a play gives you opportunities, gives a receiver opportunity after the first play, second, playing third, you know, giving him more times within the play, never gives up on the play, and that I think that that's going.

I likeking it because we did the comps to Patrick Mahomes and I was like, Okay, I love that the way the way this dude never gives up on a play gives you opportunities, gives a receiver opportunity after the first play, second, playing third, you know, giving him more times within the play, never gives up on the play, and that I think that that's going.

To be great. Sometimes I used to get mad at him.

To be great. Sometimes I used to get mad at him.

I thought he had a route on the shorter route, he would go back in and take a deeper playoff and throw the ball, throw the ball, but he would always come out on top. I'm telling you, Tennessee, you got one of the great ones.

I thought he had a route on the shorter route, he would go back in and take a deeper playoff and throw the ball, throw the ball, but he would always come out on top. I'm telling you, Tennessee, you got one of the great ones.

So when you watch the draft and you know it's it's interesting about character. So Booker Tyler Booker, team captain, great character. Many say, well, he got drafted ten to twelve spots ahead of where we thought. And my take is in an average draft, character matters more and Mecca at book Ohio State, he was a mid second round pick. When the season was over, he gets drafted nineteenth again a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not a great draft, you were in this league forever. Character becomes more important. And the Cowboys part of the kid they drafted was All American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?

So when you watch the draft and you know it's it's interesting about character. So Booker Tyler Booker, team captain, great character. Many say, well, he got drafted ten to twelve spots ahead of where we thought. And my take is in an average draft, character matters more and Mecca at book Ohio State, he was a mid second round pick. When the season was over, he gets drafted nineteenth again a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not a great draft, you were in this league forever. Character becomes more important. And the Cowboys part of the kid they drafted was All American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?

Well, I think that.

Well, I think that.

I think it matters that you have that kind of understanding about how important it is that you show up and be a certain way every day. Time I talk to anything or anybody, I always talk about if you're a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be able to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that kind of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're supposed to be, putting in the work, letting people see you put in the work. That stuff matters big time, especially at this level. So you're right, you're right, and any truth. Every year we hear people that are dropping because we talk on the same character. You know, I don't like them. I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy. It is always love. If you can beat somebody on the football field, you got a position. But the real rest, the rest of life, the rest of life, people are making decisions on who they like and who they don't like. And when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing with a lot of people, not football. We're dealing with the rest of life people, people that are making decisions on who they like and who they don't like. Is not just about football. So you're right. Character really matters.

I think it matters that you have that kind of understanding about how important it is that you show up and be a certain way every day. Time I talk to anything or anybody, I always talk about if you're a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be able to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that kind of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're supposed to be, putting in the work, letting people see you put in the work. That stuff matters big time, especially at this level. So you're right, you're right, and any truth. Every year we hear people that are dropping because we talk on the same character. You know, I don't like them. I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy. It is always love. If you can beat somebody on the football field, you got a position. But the real rest, the rest of life, the rest of life, people are making decisions on who they like and who they don't like. And when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing with a lot of people, not football. We're dealing with the rest of life people, people that are making decisions on who they like and who they don't like. Is not just about football. So you're right. Character really matters.

Where do you want to see Dallas go with their next pick? So they went and got interior line. They could use it back, they could use a tight end, or do you want to see them go? Where would you like them to go?

Where do you want to see Dallas go with their next pick? So they went and got interior line. They could use it back, they could use a tight end, or do you want to see them go? Where would you like them to go?

Right, My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant. If we're not going if we have all of these spots that we need to field, we're not going to be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit and be dominant and win this way and that's the offensive unit. And the help we got with Tyler Booker, that's the right area we needed help there.

Right, My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant. If we're not going if we have all of these spots that we need to field, we're not going to be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit and be dominant and win this way and that's the offensive unit. And the help we got with Tyler Booker, that's the right area we needed help there.

That's the right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side. Okay, you see what I'm.

That's the right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side. Okay, you see what I'm.

Saying that that's what the Bears are doing with Caleb right.

Saying that that's what the Bears are doing with Caleb right.

Let's stay on the offensive side.

Let's stay on the offensive side.

Let's try to get this to a twenty pointeen every game, and we can fill in on defense and we can put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that. We have to get Michael Parsons signed. Since we are filling in on defense. Now that we got DeMarcus Lawns out in the locker room, we need Michael Parson in the locker room in training camp, not holding out, to try to get what other guys he got on defense together as one so they can try to play good defense. When we give him thirty points, they just got to hold people in the thirty in the offense. Give you a thirty and we can be right back in to think of it.

Let's try to get this to a twenty pointeen every game, and we can fill in on defense and we can put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that. We have to get Michael Parsons signed. Since we are filling in on defense. Now that we got DeMarcus Lawns out in the locker room, we need Michael Parson in the locker room in training camp, not holding out, to try to get what other guys he got on defense together as one so they can try to play good defense. When we give him thirty points, they just got to hold people in the thirty in the offense. Give you a thirty and we can be right back in to think of it.

The Hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael Urban, It's always a pleasure to see him, my man.

The Hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael Urban, It's always a pleasure to see him, my man.

Always great to sit in this chair and just kick it with you. My brother

Always great to sit in this chair and just kick it with you. My brother