The Herd with Colin CowherdColin credits Shai Gilgeous-Alexander with a dominant series win over Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves and how SGA is becoming "The Standard" for other NBA stars across the league. He reacts to positive reports out of Browns OTAs regarding quarterback Shedeur Sanders and why he is clearly going to win the starting job in Cleveland. He also talks to Arizona State head coach Kenny Dillingham about their incredible run to the College Football Playoff and what we can expect from their promising QB Sam Leavitt
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A lot of changes happening. Joel Klass's gonna stop by in one hour from now. We love that. Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State football coach, brilliant young coach, is going to be joining us as well. Jmack listen last night in a laugher. Not much of a game, and I understand this. I have said during the Pacers Knicks series, stop beating up on the Knicks. It's about the Pacers. They have the best point guard and the best offense and the best pace in the league and I feel like this with Minnesota, like they're not as good as Oka. See, they don't have they don't have the depth, they don't have the youth, they don't have multiple guys who can score like that, and so I just I feel like we should kind of honor okac An SGA more than Hammer Minnesota.
A reasonable take to start the show call, and I like it.
I like it, So let's start with that obviously. Okay, see that game was over in about seven minutes. The great thing about Sga, of the many great things, what I really like is he is delivering and fulfilling everything I've been told Jason Tatum does but doesn't really. Last year, the Celtics go on their championship run, Jalen Brown's the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals, Jalen Brown's the Finals MVP, and Jalen Brown's the aggressor and often the initiator. SGA wants the ball, is always the aggressor, and he plays Williams home Gred. He's got multiple great players around him, but he is clearly the alpha. And that's all I ever asked with Tatum and got pushedback. You know, that's I'm holding Jason tatum to the standard. You guys all lectured me on for years on Lebron when Lebron didn't take the shot. He's the Alpha, he's the one. If he wants to be MJ, he's got to always take the shot. Okay, Well that's the standard of SGA and Yokicic right now. Like I think both Jokic and SGA can elevate teammates, and clearly do elevate teammates.
But there is no.
Question in this Oklahoma City room or that Denver locker room, or in the huddle or any time there's a late possession who's the man. And I mean, we could crush the t Wolves right They were awful.
Their effort was weak.
But this series is not about the t Wolves and the Knicks pacers, which I think will end soon. Is not really about the Knicks failures. Indiana is the best offense in the league, with the best pace. OKAC is easily the best defense and the greatest score. I mean, SGA is only the fourth player in twenty years to win the MVP and reach the finals.
The other three Steph, Kobe, and Lebron.
I don't know that feels historic to me, so I just I look at them between SGA and Okac's defense. This is gonna be a great final. I get the best offense, I get the best defense, I get the best point guard, and I get the best score. And I know it's not catchy, and I know it doesn't sound, you know, dynamic, but I think SGA's nickname should be the standard. This is the standard for a true number one in the locker room, in the huddle, every big possession. He is a number one has to be dominating, offensively, understood by all, even his talented teammates, debilitating to your defense, an adult, consistent number one on the bus, on the plane, in the room. SG Alpha the Western Conference Finals, undisputed, MVP. This is not about Minnesota's failures. It's about a historic player. He's one of three guys in league history to have thirty points five plus assists at least ten times in the playoffs. M jan lebron to the other two. This kid is special. Every time he talks, every time he leads, you just see what a one should be. And here he is after winning the conference finals.
MVP. Yeah, it's a really good feeling.
I think Stuffy Jim about as a kid and then, of course I want to.
Think much inmates. Without them, I'm nothing Claire's Dave.
I don't have one hundred and twenty fourth point by myself.
I love these guys to death.
With all that being said, this is a step in the right direction where we have a lot more work to do, and we know that, and that's the work focused on.
So if buckle up and you're ready, listen.
They won by an average margin of twelve point nine points per game. And I understand, like veteran teams in the regular season, don't give it. You know, Lebron's going to take some night offs, and the older players, you know, they're dinged up a little bit. I understand their youth is a big component to it. But here's what else is. This is as good a defensive team as I remember.
Now.
Detroit Pistons were great, but you could tackle back then.
That was a little different. But given what.
You can do now, you can't really you can't handcheck, you can't use that forearm on your back, given what you're allowed to do by NBA protocol and rules, this is the best defense I've ever seen. They hound and they confound their aggressive to rim protectors on the back end. Even SGA plays defense and as long like this is as good as defense gets. So we can bang on Minnesota, but they're not built to beat this team. Julius Randold's probably a three, not a two. Go Beart's got no offense, Conley great veteran presence, not an offensive threat, and Ant just isn't there yet to single handedly beat this offense.
Way to go? Okay, See all right, listen. I don't want to make.
A big deal out of this, but some pretty interesting information trickled over my phone from the Cleveland Browns o TA yesterday.
I'm not great at math, but let's put the numbers up for the television audience.
It appears in the four quarterback derby.
Hmm.
Again, not a mathematician, but one of them has more tds than completions. That feels important to me. Despite the fact that Shadu Sanders had the fewest attempts, he was the most efficient and most productive with the fewest reps, so the quarterback tracker for those radio audience members, Flacco was nine for fourteen in a touchdown. Piket nine for sixteen no touchdown. Dylan Gabriel eleven of sixteen, two touchdowns on a pick and Sanders seven of nine, three touchdowns no picks. This justin I've seen enough. I'm calling in a rap. The Herd newsroom is calling it in Ohio by a landslide. Shaduur Sanders should be starting. We are calling Ohio as the projected winner in a race that is not as close as the fake news projected. You can keep selling me on Picket, you can keep selling me on Dylan Gabriel. Now Flacco. I buy flacoh. I like he's one of my one of my favorite guys that's ever played in the league. He's like everybody likes Flacco and I think he's gonna win the starting job. Initially, I really like Flacco, but I'm calling it. I'm calling it for Shador and here's Flacco on Shador.
Shador has been great. I mean, he's a lot of fun to be around in those meeting rooms, and I think once, I think so far there's been you know, at least once in the media room that he's he's made me crack a smile, and that's what it's all about. You know, he's a young guy trying to learn some football and come out here and practice well and do those things. And like I said, he's been a lot of fun.
Okay, you you know people either everybody's trying to sell you. I mean, TikTok's selling you. IG's selling you using filters. Everybody is selling you stuff. Now people are talking about the election that wasn't for Biden and was for Trump. Everybody's selling me their takes. You all keep selling me. I got scouts telling me he's a fifth or a six round talent all I know, with very average personnel. Outside of Travis Hunter, against the very best teams he played, they didn't win games, but he was highly productive, and a lot of college quarterbacks against the best teams with better teammates weren't as productive, size, movement, accuracy.
I like him.
I know I didn't love I didn't love the legendary draft room stuff. I thought it was a lacked a little self awareness. But again, you're twenty one, you're twenty two.
You know we were all running around pulling fire hydrants in college, so I mean, you know, you know, you know, the pull the lever in college dorm rooms.
We were all idiots at some point. We all had, you know, lack of judgment or self awareness. I'm not going to crush anybody for that, but I think he's ready. I think he's really talented, and I think you're seeing it.
J Mack.
We're calling it for Ohio. Oh boy, you know what else? You know what?
I've left the station and it's may for shud Dor standards. Okay, got it, Okay, Ota stats, that's a new one.
Let me let me just throw this at you. Back to Oklahoma City.
So like when you lose a playoff series or are losing a playoff series.
We've talked about this with the Knicks.
It's like you kind of see what doesn't work against an elite team. Brunson and Cat on the floor in the Anna kind of abuses them, so you probably want to move off Cat. You could keep him if you added another catch and shoot guy, but you can see your problems when you face an elite team. Like you watch the t Wolves and you're like, oh.
You know, Julius randall Is.
It was fun, but boy, when you play Okc's defense, he is really limited and Ant isn't there yet. So you great teams are clarity. Like when Ann tr Luck came into the NFL and was eleven and five with a bad roster. You're like, oh, yeah, that's what great is. You can be eleven and five without a Pro Bowl or anywhere near the offense. But here's another takeaway and I'll get into it later. The t Wolves ran the Lakers out of the building and can't compete against OKC. So for all those thinking we're inches away, the t Wolves bodied the Lakers, physically pushed them around. Dude, they could not compete in this series. They had one really good game, one of five. So I'm just saying, greatness creates clarity. If you think you're closed or you think you're flawless, but you don't think you have vulnerabilities. Oklahoma City Indiana Pacers show you the truth, and you have to grasp the truth. You have to embrace the truth. You can't push back and be defensive. But Laker fans Minnesota bodied you. They got blown out of the building in this series, Colin, I love it.
You know.
I can't help my son with eighth grade math. He's doing like the advanced math.
It's hard.
I don't I have to ask jat GBT okay, but I do remember in elementary school there were the all these math properties.
If A plus B equal C.
Just because Minnesota smashed the Lakers, it does not mean that the Lakers can't beat OKAC.
They match up great with OKC.
That essentially, the Thunder had two rounds to watch Anthony Edwards and they were like, oh, here's how we stop him. Let's put up a picket wall at the free throw line and say you're not getting in the lane.
We'll go go ahead and have Jaydon.
McDaniels shoot the lights out or Julius Randall and Minnesota didn't. Nobody else showed up for them in the series and it was a rap. I still I think your worst take in the NBA playoffs has been the Lakers are far off.
I think you're way, way wrong there. But again, maybe I'm being a Lebron homer.
Yeah.
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates and none of the bold so Bears quarterback Caleb Williams has said it's a bit of a distraction, but he finally addressed yesterday.
I'll get to it in a second.
Seth Wickersham, great writer ESPN, has come out with a book called American King's Biography of the Quarterback, and it revealed that Caleb and his dad did, at one point, you know, consider ways to avoid going to the Bears based on their chaotic history and their inability to elevate quarterbacks. So finally, yesterday he addressed it, and here's Caleb Williams.
And I wanted to come here and you know, be the guy and be a part and be a reason why, you know, Chicago Bears turn this thing around. So that last thing that was said, all of that, I think was the most important thing is that I wanted to be here and I love being here. I love my teammates.
So my take is different.
There was a radio host in New York that said, he's been breath takingly entitled and I'll get to that in a second, But I don't think being concerned about an environment or a job before you get there at twenty two to twenty three years old or older is entitled. A historically chaotic business, the Chicago Bears and offense. It's like global travel for the rest of us. What's my budget? What are the safest parts. I'm new, I don't know it very well. I want to do my homework. It's called due diligence utilizing available information. Listen, if you may need a malaria shot, if you travel to certain parts of Africa. I don't think you're an entitled traveler. I just think that's the reality. And Caleb and his dad looked at the history of the Bears and thought, yes, yeah, they've never had a four thousand yard passer. It's probably not all on the quarterback. It could be the ownership in the front office and you know, a Steeler like devotion to defense.
And they were right. Again, I don't think that's entitled. I think it's intelligent.
When you buy a house, are you entitled if you're like, yeah, this neighborhood, I got kids, it's not walkable. I don't think it's safe. I don't like the schools. I don't think you're entitled. You can afford a better house, go buy it, so you know, I listen. Taylor Williams and I actually have a lot in common. We just moved to Chicago. Now only one of us takes the train to work, but we both moved to Chicago. I was warned about whether he was warned about the Bears. I think it's okay. I think when you're talking about young people, twenty four year olds now, they don't go to a restaurant, they don't go to a restaurant without reading Yelp reviews. They don't do it. I mean they just I mean, I watch my kids. I lean on my kids for this stuff. I think it's breathtaking lee out of touch or tone deaf to think a twenty three year old. And historically in the NFL, you get one shot to be a number one if a team moves off you. Now things have changed over the last four or five years with Donald and Gino and Baker, But most of my life, first team that drafts you, that's your big shot. You'll come with baggage and a reputation everywhere else. I mean Baker is difficult, No he's not. Gino doesn't have it, yes he does. Darnald can't can't play without being reckless. Oh wait, he got the right coach, So maybe Caleb, if it doesn't work in Chicago, will get other opportunities. But we are in the age of information, and nobody is better at finding and accumulating and using that information than twenty and thirty year olds. So I don't have a problem with it. He decided on Chicago. The fact that it made it out isn't entitled. It's honest. He didn't have to tell us that. Give the reporter credit, Seth Wickersham who found it, and the athlete and the dad who are honest enough to admit it. There's a lot of stuff out there that like this, we just don't hear about. You know, I always said this when Tiger Woods got caught fooling around. You think he's the only golfer to ever do that. They all fly golf streams. He's the only one on the road, all right, That's just the one you heard about. This is just a concern. Like the Mannings, they did a lot of this stuff. They did it behind the scenes. You just didn't know much about it. Or John Elway and Jack his dad, you just didn't hear about it. This stuff, I mean, it's just the way we live now. We get all the information. You can't hide anything. It could be the White House or a football team.
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How cool would it be to coach at your alma mater? Even cooler pick for last finish first, unprecedented, unsure. I can think of a comp to what Kenny Dillingham did at Arizona State Big twelve Coach of the Year and he's joining us Figure twelve Media Days Live. What an incredible story, you know, coach, It's interesting. I just saw this morning obviously the transfer portals alive and well and the nil you went and got I love this. You went and got a running back from army.
I love that.
You know, you know he's gonna come in ready to play. And when you when you went and.
Got the Army running back in the nil, did an academy matter like a guy that would fit into your culture?
Because I think that's such you didn't.
You know, some of these coaches use it a lot, Lincoln Riley, some of it you more sparingly, Dabo Sweeney doesn't like it at all.
You went and got an Army running back? Why yeah?
I mean well, one of his film was really good. So you turn on the film You're like, Okay, this kid's a good player. And then on top of that when when you talk to him on the phone, his maturity level was obviously super high. And part of that his discipline level was super high. And part of that is directly correlated to know is his school he was at. And for us, we wanted a kid who is driven mature to come in here and try to replace what people are watching on the screen right now is not.
The easiest thing to do, so we needed somebody who was mature.
You know, it's interesting you had to create self belief last year. Well, you know players can read right, they see sixteenth in the Big twelve, and you've got to create this No, that's not what we are. Give me the moment last year you may have believed it, but that you felt your team finally came out of that tunnel and thought we're really good.
Yeah.
I mean, for us, the first the start of Kansas State on the road in Manhattan, one of the best coaching staffs I think in the country, one of the better teams in our league, one of the better teams in the country, and we just started with our hair on fire all three phases of the game. And that was the moment that I was like, oh wow, or this team's pretty good. We can actually do this, we can actually do something. I think that was the moment when we started a game where I was like, Wow, the game versus the win versus Utah was critical for our program and the belief of the team and the physicality. But that moment we ran out of the tunnel vers Kansas State and started that fast.
That was a turning point.
So I want to talk transfer portal. Brian Kelly did a lot, didn't work. Lincoln Riley did it a lot, didn't work, Dion had to do it kind of worked. What is your worldview on the transfer portal? How much to use and how much to avoid?
Yeah, I mean I think it's you want to make sure you get the right guys for your program, whether it's high school or transfer portal. I think I don't want to live in a world where it's all this or all that. I think every year your team's going to be different for me. I want to replace transfers with transfers, and I still want to be able to sign the high school class based off graduating seniors.
And if you're doing it.
Right, you will hope that the kids in your program can become the starters can develop to become the starters. But if you ever need a transfer to come in here and fill an immediate needs, you have that ability. So I would say the transfer portal to us should hopefully be to fill gaps, not to build the house.
So you came from a totally different program. It was West Coast, but it was Oregon where you had Phil Knight, where you had history, where you had inertia, and you're going to Arizona State and kind of rebuilding this thing. But give me, despite some dissimilarities, give me the one thing you took out of Oregon and you thought, hey, we can replicate that pretty early.
The fun.
I think when you think of Oregon, there's a brand behind what they do. Everybody thinks of Oregon football. They know what you think about, green, yellow, fast, fun, explosive. That's what you think about, right And I think for me it was what is the brand of ASU football going to be? When people look at that photo and they look at those gold jerseys you're looking at right now, what do they think about?
And I wanted to be passion?
Man.
Those guys play so hard, they have so much fun playing hard, man, That's what I think of.
Look at those guys on the screen.
I want people to think we're gonna have so much fun, playing so hard and growing up and learning how to become a person.
Learning how to become an adult.
I want the fun, the excitement back, and I want people to think about that when they think about Arizona State football.
What is you are coaching your alma mater. Are there ever moments on the sideline You're like, I was at a frat house nine years ago. What I mean is it? Do you have pinch me moments?
Well, I mean you look at post Utah when they're interviewing me in the crowds definitely around And that was a pinch me moment when I jumped into.
The crowd said I was one of these guys and kind of lost it there. That was a moment in game, I'm pretty focused.
Usually people can't even get my attention, But after the game, I usually have those pinch me moments after the game, in the locker room, moments like that was scatt. What I'm just with the guys is when those pinch me moments happened, Like when I'm just in it and it's just pure relationship and it's just it's special, that's for sure.
So you return a bunch of starters. Sixteen, Sam Levit's a really good player. When you have a young quarterback and you're building that culture and now you're a winning culture. What are the steps for Sam Levitt productive doesn't make a ton of mistakes. Do you light in the leash up a little bit? Do you let them do more?
Like?
Like, what's the growth for a young quarterback at the college level?
Can you open up the play record? Did you use all of it last year?
Yeah? I think uh No, we grew as the season progressed.
So I think a big reason for our success was we opened that playbook up gradually throughout the season.
As Sam got better, Sam got more comfortable JT.
I mean, there's multiple players that went into it, but obviously your quarterback's a big piece. And uh, I think this year it's going to be how do we control early downs? I think the biggest sign of a quarterback is if you lean on him controlling early down, quick passing game.
If your quarterback can take.
Control of first and second down in rhythm passing game and you have enough confidence in him, that's when a quarterback really takes control. That's when he can really grow and become a Heisman level player. So I think for him this year, it's taking control of the early downs and putting the ball in his hands more on good down and distances earlier in games and on early TuS.
So Cam Skataboo became everybody's favorite running back in the country.
And again I'll pose this question.
Obviously you liked him, but twenty three hundred scrimmage jarge is insane. Were there moments that you would watch him and go, this, this guy, this guy's better than we recruited.
He's better than I think.
Yeah, I mean for sure. I mean there's times in the game. I remember year one. I mean we were so bad Year one.
I mean it was like watching paint dry, and he catches the ball of one of our only decent games that we still lost first USC in Game one, he catches the swing pass on the sideline, Steff's on the dude and goes for like fifty five and I'm like, holy cow. And then you're watching the highlight tape.
One person just couldn't.
Bring him down and it would be over and over again. You'd watch these plays, and I think one of the plays that really you know separates Cam was.
We're in the Big tal title game.
We toss him though, we hand him the ball, he runs left, He's about to lose eight yards. He parroettes backwards, throws the ball away, like who has the awareness at running back?
Just throw the ball away? Every fan has said it, why didn't he just throw it away? He's the lost twelve yards. Well he did it.
He did the thing that everybody said, why don't they always do it?
And that was Cam and that's what made him special.
Okay, you play I think Colorado late in the season. I look at it here.
I want you to go back one year because you obviously know personnel, and I think Shador Sanders is And the reason I do is because he didn't have much of an O line and he didn't he didn't have Camps Kataboo in the backfield, and he played a lot of good teams in your conference and he didn't win a lot of those games, but he was darn productive and a lot of people. You know, you've played at Ohio State, you know you play at Texas, you don't get touched. You play at Colorado last year and you're running around. Give me an evaluation on film and what you saw from Shador Sanders who dropped in the draft. If I said to you, coach, there's one thing he's going to do really well in the NFL. Was there one thing that jumped off on tape when you prep for him?
Yeah, I mean preparation.
Uh you know when I actually recruited Shador and you know I got a chance against nor him a little bit, and being able to meet with him in the recruiting process is just intelligence for the game. His passion for the game and his intelligence on the whiteboard was something that blew me away back when he was a sixteen year old, so I can only imagine that is now. So I think for him, when you watch his tape, you see a guy who's prepared. You see a guy who has a plan, and you see a guy who's poised. And I think, you know, when you can great quarterbacks can play, you know when they're under pressure, and it never looks like they're under pressure. And I think there's a lot of times on his tape where you know he's being pressured, but he's calm, he's collected, and he knows where to go with the ball.
And that's based off the preparation.
Yeah, So whether you play teams or not, you see a ton of him on film and he was on TV or on film and you're watching and I just think he's got something special. Finally, when you look at your age, a lot of people are going to go, look at this kid, and this guy's going to the NFL. This guy and I have no problem with that. There's a lot of changes in college football. You guys don't get enough time off. Is there a concern with you where the NFL does have space for coaches to have a life? You guys got two recruiting windows. Now you're recruiting your own players. If you could change college college football, if you were running the sport, you're the czar.
Of it, would you would you give?
Is there anything that a young coach you feel like, Man, I'd probably change.
I would just try to change. Stop changing.
I don't know that sense like that would be My change is let's just stop changing.
Let's figure out what's best for these players.
At the end of the day, this is college athletics, Like, it's all about the player. Everything I'll ever do is about the players. Everything I'll ever fight for, everything I'll ever compete for is about how do I make the player experience, the players pockets, the player experience, the player energy, and what they remember college to be about better. Like, we're molding these kids for the rest of their life and it's all about the players. So I would just say, how do we stop change, create some consistency, whatever that is, and make it about the player again and make these kids still eighteen to twenty two year olds, regardless of how much they make, regardless of how much we publicize them.
These are still eighteen to twenty two year.
Old who we have their responsibility to help them be successful and figure out this time of their life. And I think too many times we kind of put these guys on too high of a pedal stool. They'll be perfect because they make money now, because they're famous at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old, that we lose sight that they're still eighteen to twenty two year old. So if I could change one thing, it would be stop putting so much pressure on these guys. Even if they're making money. It's not their fault. This is an adults problem that the kids are living in, and let's let these kids have fun be in college athletes and living out their dream.
You know, you're so youthful looking. You know, it's just I'm.
Actually so yeah, it's a good twist.
It's just incredible what you've done first year in the Big Twelve. Pick for last wins the conference. Good for you man, not the last we've seen. If you off that army running back works out. I got a feeling him and Sam Levit are going to make a nice combo coach. Thanks for coming on the.
Hurd saying at Godevils.
Just just incredible offensive coordinator. He was a very popular offensive coordinator at Oregon and I think he left after the twenty twenty two season. And then he goes to Arizona State and they weren't good initially. And Arizona State's always been kind of a sleeping giant, but they've been sleeping for a long time. Like there was not a lot of giant. There was a lot of sleeping. And then he goes there and about midway through the season, I'm like, what is their record? What's happening with Arizona State? And they had this young Levitch, like just a kid, and you're watching them in Scataboo and it's like, wow, the quarterback's.
Young, the coach is young.
Wow.
Arizona State undergrads sixty five thousand students. It's it's a gig. It's a beautiful campus. By the way they over the last twenty years. Boy, they have I think they have the I think Arizona State has the largest off campus they have. It's amazing how many people aren't on campus that go to the school. Off campus students undergrad is sixty five thousand. My staff just wrote that largest in the country.
How about that?
And Sam Levitt last year in his last seven games, sixteen tds, two picks, So that that young quarterback, keep your eye on him. He is he's getting really and he can move. He can and he can throw it when he's moving it
