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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver on Fox Sports Radio.

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Oh, it is a Monday, and there is a lot to discuss.

Oh, it is a Monday, and there is a lot to discuss.

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It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. One hour from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong. Jmack I was looking forward to a game seven. Not all game sevens are equal, but when steps in a Game seven, they're on the road, the deeper, longer, more athletic Houston Rockets. And it was a little bit of a coaching clinic. And the old guy, I mean, they forced Houston into half court basketball and that's not more Houston flourishes.

It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. One hour from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong. Jmack I was looking forward to a game seven. Not all game sevens are equal, but when steps in a Game seven, they're on the road, the deeper, longer, more athletic Houston Rockets. And it was a little bit of a coaching clinic. And the old guy, I mean, they forced Houston into half court basketball and that's not more Houston flourishes.

And then that buddy Heal showed up.

And then that buddy Heal showed up.

He was on a milk cart in All Series Wow, Top thirty three, and gave him my God unbelievable.

He was on a milk cart in All Series Wow, Top thirty three, and gave him my God unbelievable.

So that was that's gonna be. That is a really impressive win by Golden State. It was not a great first round for old guys. The Old Lakers lost, the Old Bucks lost, The Clippers were older than Denver and lost. But then there's Steph, Steve, Draymond Green and the Warriors surviving. Steve Kerr pulled all the levers and had to. They had no bench. It was a starting five in Kavon Looney. They're going to a one, three to one zone. Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green were very good, but they had to do a lot of it, not just in the box score. Buddy healed in Pods because you know, Steph gets doubled so often. Buddy healed and Pods got great looks and Buddy hit a ton of his. The Warriors had no bench, no depth. Think about that. An old team on the road planed six guys because they tried to play Jonathan Kaminga twice and you can see Steve Kerr's frustration. It doesn't work. He's like the kid at the playground. None of the kids will play with It just doesn't work when Jonathan Kaminga's in there. He gets the hook, and so here's Steve Kerr. They score one hundred and three points. One hundred of their one to ozh three come from their starters.

So that was that's gonna be. That is a really impressive win by Golden State. It was not a great first round for old guys. The Old Lakers lost, the Old Bucks lost, The Clippers were older than Denver and lost. But then there's Steph, Steve, Draymond Green and the Warriors surviving. Steve Kerr pulled all the levers and had to. They had no bench. It was a starting five in Kavon Looney. They're going to a one, three to one zone. Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green were very good, but they had to do a lot of it, not just in the box score. Buddy healed in Pods because you know, Steph gets doubled so often. Buddy healed and Pods got great looks and Buddy hit a ton of his. The Warriors had no bench, no depth. Think about that. An old team on the road planed six guys because they tried to play Jonathan Kaminga twice and you can see Steve Kerr's frustration. It doesn't work. He's like the kid at the playground. None of the kids will play with It just doesn't work when Jonathan Kaminga's in there. He gets the hook, and so here's Steve Kerr. They score one hundred and three points. One hundred of their one to ozh three come from their starters.

You're on the road.

You're on the road.

The other team's got more length and size and depth, so you had to pull all these levers.

The other team's got more length and size and depth, so you had to pull all these levers.

And then there's.

And then there's.

Steph Curry, and the gravity of Steph was on display. So I mean, when you pick him up at half court and you're doubling him and trapping him, it leaves Buddy Healed open, and it gives Jimmy Butler more breathing room. And eventually in the fourth quarter, Steph hits five of six. He's the hammer. Houston's the nail, and he finishes it off. But what Golden State really did yesterday is they said, Draymond Green shut down shngon. Just shut him down, get into his feet, push him around. He did, and that was everything because then you're basically Jalen Green. You can't trust Aman Thompson's excellent but not doesn't have a three point shot yet. So Draymond closes down the middle and I was looking at the numbers. The rockets were five for twenty one. If Draymond Green was guarding you. And this is what Draymond does in Big Series. He may be old, he doesn't play old. So he shut down the middle.

Steph Curry, and the gravity of Steph was on display. So I mean, when you pick him up at half court and you're doubling him and trapping him, it leaves Buddy Healed open, and it gives Jimmy Butler more breathing room. And eventually in the fourth quarter, Steph hits five of six. He's the hammer. Houston's the nail, and he finishes it off. But what Golden State really did yesterday is they said, Draymond Green shut down shngon. Just shut him down, get into his feet, push him around. He did, and that was everything because then you're basically Jalen Green. You can't trust Aman Thompson's excellent but not doesn't have a three point shot yet. So Draymond closes down the middle and I was looking at the numbers. The rockets were five for twenty one. If Draymond Green was guarding you. And this is what Draymond does in Big Series. He may be old, he doesn't play old. So he shut down the middle.

And he does.

And he does.

He's the best defensive player I've ever seen and can also be an offensive catalyst. But then Fred van Vliet, they threw bodies at him. He didn't play particularly well, and all that rocket size and all that rocket athleticism, it just didn't matter because Houston has a bunch of guys who are great athletes but don't know how to play. That's why it's so obvious Cominga should be a Houston rocket, right, he doesn't work with Golden State. They have six guys and they all know how to play. And the key is they all know how to play with Steph Curry and so basically, very smartly Golden State and Kurk just said, you stut Draymond shut down sng Goon. We'll switch in a bigger and smaller guys. That's the primary deal. He took him out of the game, and it forced Houston to play half court basketball. And I've been saying this for years. Kaminga didn't go to college basketball. Jalen Green didn't go to college basketball. They went got some dough went to the G League. Neither one knows how to play. They're just athletes. That doesn't mean everybody that goes to the G League fails. But when you watch Houston, you're like, they just got a bunch of dudes who should have spent more time in college and learn how to play within the structure and a system, because I mean, you know, the Rockets head coach got so frustrated so many times with his.

He's the best defensive player I've ever seen and can also be an offensive catalyst. But then Fred van Vliet, they threw bodies at him. He didn't play particularly well, and all that rocket size and all that rocket athleticism, it just didn't matter because Houston has a bunch of guys who are great athletes but don't know how to play. That's why it's so obvious Cominga should be a Houston rocket, right, he doesn't work with Golden State. They have six guys and they all know how to play. And the key is they all know how to play with Steph Curry and so basically, very smartly Golden State and Kurk just said, you stut Draymond shut down sng Goon. We'll switch in a bigger and smaller guys. That's the primary deal. He took him out of the game, and it forced Houston to play half court basketball. And I've been saying this for years. Kaminga didn't go to college basketball. Jalen Green didn't go to college basketball. They went got some dough went to the G League. Neither one knows how to play. They're just athletes. That doesn't mean everybody that goes to the G League fails. But when you watch Houston, you're like, they just got a bunch of dudes who should have spent more time in college and learn how to play within the structure and a system, because I mean, you know, the Rockets head coach got so frustrated so many times with his.

Half court offense. And in the end, Steph.

Half court offense. And in the end, Steph.

Got hot, Buddy was hot, Butler was hot, Draymond was a catalyst, and you talk about it.

Got hot, Buddy was hot, Butler was hot, Draymond was a catalyst, and you talk about it.

Team. It was not a.

Team. It was not a.

Good first round for old guys, and it may not be a good second round for the calves.

Good first round for old guys, and it may not be a good second round for the calves.

We'll wait on that. They have to shoot better.

We'll wait on that. They have to shoot better.

But this was a Warriors team been there a million times of no depth, not much size, couldn't play Kaminga and Steve Kerr, and this team pulled all the right levers.

But this was a Warriors team been there a million times of no depth, not much size, couldn't play Kaminga and Steve Kerr, and this team pulled all the right levers.

Here's Steve Kerr.

Here's Steve Kerr.

It couldn't be more proud of our guys.

It couldn't be more proud of our guys.

That was incredibly impressive display of resolve, discipline, The defense was fantastic, the ball security, kind of game plan, discipline followed to a tee and then multiple guys stepping up Buddy heeled.

That was incredibly impressive display of resolve, discipline, The defense was fantastic, the ball security, kind of game plan, discipline followed to a tee and then multiple guys stepping up Buddy heeled.

I don't know what to say.

I don't know what to say.

I mean, that was was really incredible watching him light it up.

I mean, that was was really incredible watching him light it up.

And so much of what Draymon and Butler and the Warriors Kevon Looney do isn't necessarily box score stuff.

And so much of what Draymon and Butler and the Warriors Kevon Looney do isn't necessarily box score stuff.

There is something.

There is something.

Did you see Steph Curry before the game getting his guys fired up? And that's where I want to talk about the Clippers losing to Denver. So I thought the Clippers, I mean, Denver fired their coach at the end of the year. They were playing terrible basketball. I'm like, I got a better coach, I got a head coach. I got a team Clippers that are deeper, I think, more talented arguably, and they're playing great. And yet here again are the Clippers led by sort of a mercenary, a basketball mercenary. Kawhi great player, not a leader, and James Harden ball centric too often, invisible often in the playoffs. And what do you do? There's no way the clippershould have lost this series. Denver's got like the substitute teacher coaching Stan Cronk. The owner is like, we're too good to play this bad. They get rid of Malone and I'm thinking that's a bad decision. Everything was right in front of them and Kawhi Leonard. This is why demeanor and leadership matter. He doesn't set the tone, unlike Yok who got on his teammates multiple times in this series. Now, Coawhi's just a He's a really talented instrument, a bit of a loner. He'll never be the heartbeat of a franchise. To be the leader, you got to play more than forty five games annually. You got to be there. And so it's like, okay, what about James Harden. James Harden similarly, James Harden will give you buckets. But the difference between him and say A Westbrook, if Westbrook's not giving you buckets, he's giving you so much else. He's giving you rebounding and defense and intensity and attitude. If James Harden isn't hitting baskets, and he wasn't yesterday, you get nothing else. So you know, Cowizo has got been a guy that feels kind of cold and calculated. He's kind of a basketball hired gun. And that's to me, He's got some MJ. Kobe comps. But that's where it ends, because Kobe could be inspirational, and Michael was a leader and he was barking. And that's what Jokic did. The great players in the playoffs. Demeanor matters leadership. Match Denver, give Westbrook a ton of credit for a leadership role. Give me your kitch a ton of credit. You got a substitute teacher as a head coach. Denver shouldn't have won this series. Inspiration once again matters. Leadership once again matters. Harden's talented, but he's a one trick pony. You don't get points, what do you get? There's always an excuse. And again, Kawhi is an all time talent, but he has to be, like Katie, an accessory. He cannot be a foundational heartbeat of the franchise. You can't play forty five games and do that. So I said, I don't know. The Clippers are good, but if you can't win this series when you have a significantly better staff, you're playing great basketball.

Did you see Steph Curry before the game getting his guys fired up? And that's where I want to talk about the Clippers losing to Denver. So I thought the Clippers, I mean, Denver fired their coach at the end of the year. They were playing terrible basketball. I'm like, I got a better coach, I got a head coach. I got a team Clippers that are deeper, I think, more talented arguably, and they're playing great. And yet here again are the Clippers led by sort of a mercenary, a basketball mercenary. Kawhi great player, not a leader, and James Harden ball centric too often, invisible often in the playoffs. And what do you do? There's no way the clippershould have lost this series. Denver's got like the substitute teacher coaching Stan Cronk. The owner is like, we're too good to play this bad. They get rid of Malone and I'm thinking that's a bad decision. Everything was right in front of them and Kawhi Leonard. This is why demeanor and leadership matter. He doesn't set the tone, unlike Yok who got on his teammates multiple times in this series. Now, Coawhi's just a He's a really talented instrument, a bit of a loner. He'll never be the heartbeat of a franchise. To be the leader, you got to play more than forty five games annually. You got to be there. And so it's like, okay, what about James Harden. James Harden similarly, James Harden will give you buckets. But the difference between him and say A Westbrook, if Westbrook's not giving you buckets, he's giving you so much else. He's giving you rebounding and defense and intensity and attitude. If James Harden isn't hitting baskets, and he wasn't yesterday, you get nothing else. So you know, Cowizo has got been a guy that feels kind of cold and calculated. He's kind of a basketball hired gun. And that's to me, He's got some MJ. Kobe comps. But that's where it ends, because Kobe could be inspirational, and Michael was a leader and he was barking. And that's what Jokic did. The great players in the playoffs. Demeanor matters leadership. Match Denver, give Westbrook a ton of credit for a leadership role. Give me your kitch a ton of credit. You got a substitute teacher as a head coach. Denver shouldn't have won this series. Inspiration once again matters. Leadership once again matters. Harden's talented, but he's a one trick pony. You don't get points, what do you get? There's always an excuse. And again, Kawhi is an all time talent, but he has to be, like Katie, an accessory. He cannot be a foundational heartbeat of the franchise. You can't play forty five games and do that. So I said, I don't know. The Clippers are good, but if you can't win this series when you have a significantly better staff, you're playing great basketball.

At the end of the year.

At the end of the year.

The Nuggets are a mess. They go with an interim coach. Everything off and in Game seven one of your guys is good but won't lead. The other one's bad and refuses to Here's Tyleru after you.

The Nuggets are a mess. They go with an interim coach. Everything off and in Game seven one of your guys is good but won't lead. The other one's bad and refuses to Here's Tyleru after you.

Know, James having to carry such a heavy load, you know, with Kawhi missing, I think forty five games, and I'm just having to carry that low, you know, all season long.

Know, James having to carry such a heavy load, you know, with Kawhi missing, I think forty five games, and I'm just having to carry that low, you know, all season long.

And he did a great job with that.

And he did a great job with that.

And I think Klai, like I said, coming back being Kawhi and having a confidence in his need that he can play, play more minutes, he can get through these games, and those two together for a whole season, I think would be tremendous.

And I think Klai, like I said, coming back being Kawhi and having a confidence in his need that he can play, play more minutes, he can get through these games, and those two together for a whole season, I think would be tremendous.

Nobody thinks you're gonna get those two guys at this point for a whole season. It's all fools Gold Kawhi. There's always one purpose, but it's never a higher purpose. So you the Clippers can keep grabbing onto this stuff. But give the Lakers credit. The Lakers will move off people. They take a swing for Westbrook doesn't work, they go, They make deals. They're always willing to make deals. I feel like the Clippers, you know, the step child in the city. I know they got the richer owner in the new facility. They just keep clinging onto this thing. Well, next year will be different. No, I won't kwhile play like forty games and Harden, they'll give you buckets and won't defend and won't lead, and that's what you are. But you know, the reality is, if you can't win this series with a new arena, you got an interim coach in Denver. I mean, you've got a brand new head coach. I mean there was Russell Westbrook, there was infighting. Malone wanted to play him, the GM didn't. Westbrook ended up being a tone center for four different games in this series. More on that later, but we've been saying this now for some time. Jo Kisch is the best player in the world, but there's an argument in many games and Jimal Murray's the second most consistent offensive player. Westbrook was huge, and it wasn't because Westbrook's in his prime.

Nobody thinks you're gonna get those two guys at this point for a whole season. It's all fools Gold Kawhi. There's always one purpose, but it's never a higher purpose. So you the Clippers can keep grabbing onto this stuff. But give the Lakers credit. The Lakers will move off people. They take a swing for Westbrook doesn't work, they go, They make deals. They're always willing to make deals. I feel like the Clippers, you know, the step child in the city. I know they got the richer owner in the new facility. They just keep clinging onto this thing. Well, next year will be different. No, I won't kwhile play like forty games and Harden, they'll give you buckets and won't defend and won't lead, and that's what you are. But you know, the reality is, if you can't win this series with a new arena, you got an interim coach in Denver. I mean, you've got a brand new head coach. I mean there was Russell Westbrook, there was infighting. Malone wanted to play him, the GM didn't. Westbrook ended up being a tone center for four different games in this series. More on that later, but we've been saying this now for some time. Jo Kisch is the best player in the world, but there's an argument in many games and Jimal Murray's the second most consistent offensive player. Westbrook was huge, and it wasn't because Westbrook's in his prime.

Westbrook was willing to lead.

Westbrook was willing to lead.

And bark and immote and be raw and Westbrook has seemingly discovered I don't know why it took so long how to shoot at three, but I so much of Denver was to me was looking in the mirror. I mean, if you go to about game four on Denver was the better team and should not have been should not have won this series.

And bark and immote and be raw and Westbrook has seemingly discovered I don't know why it took so long how to shoot at three, but I so much of Denver was to me was looking in the mirror. I mean, if you go to about game four on Denver was the better team and should not have been should not have won this series.

J Mack, that was fun.

J Mack, that was fun.

Your pacers call hey, hey, now let's go. Well, first, of all, Cleveland will shoot better, but without Darius Garland, the offense just isn't the same offense.

Your pacers call hey, hey, now let's go. Well, first, of all, Cleveland will shoot better, but without Darius Garland, the offense just isn't the same offense.

A little too much ties your own. Okay, in Sam Maryland.

A little too much ties your own. Okay, in Sam Maryland.

Jerome can shoot, but he's not not.

Jerome can shoot, but he's not not.

A twenty nine minute a game now.

A twenty nine minute a game now.

And he's not a distributor. He's not gonna run an offense. He can get your bucket.

And he's not a distributor. He's not gonna run an offense. He can get your bucket.

Yeah, he took by the way, Donovan Mitchell one of eleven on threes, like it was just a bad game from the Cats. Quick point on Russell Westbrook. He shot forty one percent on threes in the series. That's better than Steph Curries you shot against the Rockets. Yeah, this was total fools goal.

Yeah, he took by the way, Donovan Mitchell one of eleven on threes, like it was just a bad game from the Cats. Quick point on Russell Westbrook. He shot forty one percent on threes in the series. That's better than Steph Curries you shot against the Rockets. Yeah, this was total fools goal.

Is he gonna sleep them or no?

Is he gonna sleep them or no?

No, you can't. You're not gonna sweep Yo Kitchen, No way.

No, you can't. You're not gonna sweep Yo Kitchen, No way.

Denver's got too much, too many players, all right, I'm blasted by the way, by the way, Denver's got players in their prime, Yo Kitchen his prime? Yeah, okay, uh, Jamal Murray Stone his prime, Gordon athletically Stone his prime may disappoint you, but Michael Porter's probably near the close to the end of his prime. But they have too many athletes and too many guys in those great years, and Westbrook, by the way, is not at his prime, but he actually does some things better than he did in his prime, which is shoot corner threes and actually play with a little bit more self awareness.

Denver's got too much, too many players, all right, I'm blasted by the way, by the way, Denver's got players in their prime, Yo Kitchen his prime? Yeah, okay, uh, Jamal Murray Stone his prime, Gordon athletically Stone his prime may disappoint you, but Michael Porter's probably near the close to the end of his prime. But they have too many athletes and too many guys in those great years, and Westbrook, by the way, is not at his prime, but he actually does some things better than he did in his prime, which is shoot corner threes and actually play with a little bit more self awareness.

I just want to say, it feels like fools gold. You know, like you're guarding somebody in a basketball game. They make a shot and you're like, all right, that's fine, he's not doing it again. Maybe he hits another. There's no way Westbrook duplicates that in the next series. I I you know, I've been anti.

I just want to say, it feels like fools gold. You know, like you're guarding somebody in a basketball game. They make a shot and you're like, all right, that's fine, he's not doing it again. Maybe he hits another. There's no way Westbrook duplicates that in the next series. I I you know, I've been anti.

Thunder all year.

Thunder all year.

I think this unders smashed them, and I did bet thunder tonight.

I think this unders smashed them, and I did bet thunder tonight.

Did you see minus nine and a half?

Did you see minus nine and a half?

Well, yeah, thunder tonight. It's if you've seen like the DraftKings number on this Oh my, it's is like minus eight hundreds.

Well, yeah, thunder tonight. It's if you've seen like the DraftKings number on this Oh my, it's is like minus eight hundreds.

Ye.

Ye.

No, I mean it's not that the Nuggets are underdogs.

No, I mean it's not that the Nuggets are underdogs.

The lines, the betting odds are so stacked in okaysee his favorite.

The lines, the betting odds are so stacked in okaysee his favorite.

Same with the Celtics series like that, I think three of the series that Cavs were lopsided favorites against the Pacers in the series.

Same with the Celtics series like that, I think three of the series that Cavs were lopsided favorites against the Pacers in the series.

Not according to Jamak, get one every now and then.

Not according to Jamak, get one every now and then.

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So yeah, a lot of you know that.

So yeah, a lot of you know that.

You know Draymond Green's got a very popular podcast, and I know Draymond, but I've said this for years. If you don't get the value of Draymond Green, I can't help you. People will fall in love with a Mellow or a James Harden or the speed of a John Wall. And I'm like, do you guys watch basketball? Do you see how much he does? This league is a parade of three pointers and one on one ISO basketball offense. First, there's nothing wrong with that. Draymon is a testament to how many ways you can win. He'll switch to biggs guys five inches bigger, He'll switch to small guys. It doesn't matter. The Warrior small ball is only possible. It's not Stephan Clay. A lot of teams have shooters, it's Draymon. You used to have to have a center, and you also had a power forward. They have Draymon, who's faster than both, who can be an offensive catalyst. He's such a connective passer and a lot of what he does is like not necessarily box score stuff. He shoots the three just well enough that you have to be aware of him. But this was a great example of they just said, basically, take out Sheng Goon, get him off his game, get him off his rhythm, and I mean, he just It's like if James Harden isn't hitting shots, you don't get anything else. And that's why Draymon is the iPhone and you know, scores only like James Harden are you know the pod. They just don't do a lot. He does everything well. He can be the best screener, he can be your best rebounder. He's obviously your best defender. Again, a very connected passer. And as Steph is struggling in the first half, what's keeping him in the game because the Warriors had a bad offensive first half is Draymond Green. He literally stopped the Rockets half court offense, took them totally out of rhythm. And he doesn't get a lot of appreciation. But you know who knows how great he is. Steve Kerr and Steph Curry know how great he is. I've always said this team at times has had a lot of finesse. He has always been the bouncer at the nightclub. You think they're soft, you think they're small, and then it's like Rodman, but with a much more layered offensive game. Rodman couldn't shoot. Rodman wasn't a great passer. Rodman was just annoying. That's just one of the gears Raymond Green has. And here's his coach after Draymond.

You know Draymond Green's got a very popular podcast, and I know Draymond, but I've said this for years. If you don't get the value of Draymond Green, I can't help you. People will fall in love with a Mellow or a James Harden or the speed of a John Wall. And I'm like, do you guys watch basketball? Do you see how much he does? This league is a parade of three pointers and one on one ISO basketball offense. First, there's nothing wrong with that. Draymon is a testament to how many ways you can win. He'll switch to biggs guys five inches bigger, He'll switch to small guys. It doesn't matter. The Warrior small ball is only possible. It's not Stephan Clay. A lot of teams have shooters, it's Draymon. You used to have to have a center, and you also had a power forward. They have Draymon, who's faster than both, who can be an offensive catalyst. He's such a connective passer and a lot of what he does is like not necessarily box score stuff. He shoots the three just well enough that you have to be aware of him. But this was a great example of they just said, basically, take out Sheng Goon, get him off his game, get him off his rhythm, and I mean, he just It's like if James Harden isn't hitting shots, you don't get anything else. And that's why Draymon is the iPhone and you know, scores only like James Harden are you know the pod. They just don't do a lot. He does everything well. He can be the best screener, he can be your best rebounder. He's obviously your best defender. Again, a very connected passer. And as Steph is struggling in the first half, what's keeping him in the game because the Warriors had a bad offensive first half is Draymond Green. He literally stopped the Rockets half court offense, took them totally out of rhythm. And he doesn't get a lot of appreciation. But you know who knows how great he is. Steve Kerr and Steph Curry know how great he is. I've always said this team at times has had a lot of finesse. He has always been the bouncer at the nightclub. You think they're soft, you think they're small, and then it's like Rodman, but with a much more layered offensive game. Rodman couldn't shoot. Rodman wasn't a great passer. Rodman was just annoying. That's just one of the gears Raymond Green has. And here's his coach after Draymond.

Really he's our leader, and when he's right like he was tonight, he's an incredible player to watch the defense, just kind of owning the court on that side of things and then just being patient and not turning it over and being in the right spots offensively.

Really he's our leader, and when he's right like he was tonight, he's an incredible player to watch the defense, just kind of owning the court on that side of things and then just being patient and not turning it over and being in the right spots offensively.

Yeah, and the other thing I like about Draymond, I'll play it bye here in a second. The other thing I like about him is, you know, and I understand this. These NBA players, it's shoe deals, it's Instagram deals, it's big contracts, it's pods. It will be so easy to like, come into this league, you get the bag, and you're satisfied. Draymond Green will not be satisfied until he no longer plays in this league.

Yeah, and the other thing I like about Draymond, I'll play it bye here in a second. The other thing I like about him is, you know, and I understand this. These NBA players, it's shoe deals, it's Instagram deals, it's big contracts, it's pods. It will be so easy to like, come into this league, you get the bag, and you're satisfied. Draymond Green will not be satisfied until he no longer plays in this league.

I powed it way too much last game, So spend the last two days embarrassed, just at what I what I gave to the game, what I gave to the world. I was embarrassed. So I've been dying since the last game ended to get out on the floor and prove who I am. You know one thing about this league, You're never done proven who you are until you're done, completely finished.

I powed it way too much last game, So spend the last two days embarrassed, just at what I what I gave to the game, what I gave to the world. I was embarrassed. So I've been dying since the last game ended to get out on the floor and prove who I am. You know one thing about this league, You're never done proven who you are until you're done, completely finished.

And I don't know how many more of those games he has. They play Minnesota. Chris Finch coming on later. That's an interesting game, the bigger, deeper, Timberwolves. The difference is Houston's biggs and depth all kids, Minnesota is a Rudy Gobert, you know, Julius Randall knaz Reed. So Minnesota collectively is a much more experienced team, much better in the half court offense. They present much different problems. I don't love this matchup going forward for Golden State. The Warriors just took advantage of Houston's inexperienced, awful half court offensive. Fred Van Vlietz not scoring in naivete. You're getting none of that with a great staff and a lot of games and a lot of experience. I think this is a tough matchup for the Warriors.

And I don't know how many more of those games he has. They play Minnesota. Chris Finch coming on later. That's an interesting game, the bigger, deeper, Timberwolves. The difference is Houston's biggs and depth all kids, Minnesota is a Rudy Gobert, you know, Julius Randall knaz Reed. So Minnesota collectively is a much more experienced team, much better in the half court offense. They present much different problems. I don't love this matchup going forward for Golden State. The Warriors just took advantage of Houston's inexperienced, awful half court offensive. Fred Van Vlietz not scoring in naivete. You're getting none of that with a great staff and a lot of games and a lot of experience. I think this is a tough matchup for the Warriors.

The Dubs.

The Dubs.

I would probably take Minnesota. Their coach later on the show. But that was classic Draymond. Yesterday in a crucial road game Game seven, when you basically were playing five guys in Kaevon, Looney and Steph was off in the first half and you won, and Draymond was a huge, huge part of that.

I would probably take Minnesota. Their coach later on the show. But that was classic Draymond. Yesterday in a crucial road game Game seven, when you basically were playing five guys in Kaevon, Looney and Steph was off in the first half and you won, and Draymond was a huge, huge part of that.

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Where Colin was right, James.

Where Colin was right, James.

Harden in the playoffs not somebody I trust to no shows and Kalion Harden again, they're absolutely all time gifted. You can't build around either. I've said this during the year. Yes, he'll give you twenty eight points. He'll have his core in moments, but if Harden isn't scoring, and he wasn't yesterday, you don't get a lot else. And you saw it against the Nuggets in Game seven, where Colin was right. I picked Houston to beat the Warriors. I thought, you know, I be honest with you. Athleticism, size and length. I thought it would be a problem. But too often they were reduced to just a half court offensive team, and it is ugly a Jalen Green doesn't really have a traditional or dependable offensive game. They really if a men Thompson would not have been so good yesterday, especially in the first three quarters. I don't know if this game would have been close, but they got worked in the half court by Butler, Draymond, Buddy Heald.

Harden in the playoffs not somebody I trust to no shows and Kalion Harden again, they're absolutely all time gifted. You can't build around either. I've said this during the year. Yes, he'll give you twenty eight points. He'll have his core in moments, but if Harden isn't scoring, and he wasn't yesterday, you don't get a lot else. And you saw it against the Nuggets in Game seven, where Colin was right. I picked Houston to beat the Warriors. I thought, you know, I be honest with you. Athleticism, size and length. I thought it would be a problem. But too often they were reduced to just a half court offensive team, and it is ugly a Jalen Green doesn't really have a traditional or dependable offensive game. They really if a men Thompson would not have been so good yesterday, especially in the first three quarters. I don't know if this game would have been close, but they got worked in the half court by Butler, Draymond, Buddy Heald.

And Steph Curry.

And Steph Curry.

Where Colin was right.

Where Colin was right.

I said before Jimmy Butler got to the Warriors, I don't care what analytics say.

I said before Jimmy Butler got to the Warriors, I don't care what analytics say.

He's going to fit.

He's going to fit.

They were under five hundred pre Jimmy Butler, and there were a lot of analytic ma evans that said it may not work, Yes it will. He's a bridge between Steph and Draymond Green. He's got the toughness and the physicality and the defense of Draymond, but he can also be a finisher like Steph Curry, and like Draymond Green, he is often at his best when he's backed into a corner and playoff. Jimmy illustration a yesterday where Colin was rough. I thought when the Devner Nuggets fired their coach with three games left in the regular season as they were skidding out of control, I thought it was crazy against tylu experienced Clippers, older Clippers deeper roster.

They were under five hundred pre Jimmy Butler, and there were a lot of analytic ma evans that said it may not work, Yes it will. He's a bridge between Steph and Draymond Green. He's got the toughness and the physicality and the defense of Draymond, but he can also be a finisher like Steph Curry, and like Draymond Green, he is often at his best when he's backed into a corner and playoff. Jimmy illustration a yesterday where Colin was rough. I thought when the Devner Nuggets fired their coach with three games left in the regular season as they were skidding out of control, I thought it was crazy against tylu experienced Clippers, older Clippers deeper roster.

What are you guys doing well? It worked.

What are you guys doing well? It worked.

Westbrook was a tone center, Jokich was dominant, Murray had you know, typically yets hot and can be streaky.

Westbrook was a tone center, Jokich was dominant, Murray had you know, typically yets hot and can be streaky.

He was at the right time.

He was at the right time.

I thought the Clippers faced just on having a substitute teacher as a coach, We're going to be a bit over their skis. But they made great adjusta Jokic barking and leading, Westbrook playing some of the best, most important basketball of his life.

I thought the Clippers faced just on having a substitute teacher as a coach, We're going to be a bit over their skis. But they made great adjusta Jokic barking and leading, Westbrook playing some of the best, most important basketball of his life.

And I was wrong where Colin was right.

And I was wrong where Colin was right.

I said, when Texas went to the SEC, guys, you're in trouble. Bama LSU Old Miss can't play in that space. Just reported that Texas will spend up to forty million on the football roster. That, by the way, does not count the arch manning money. That's a separate deal and the SEC schools, and I think they're feeling it now. And this is why the Big Ten is catching up. Because the Big Ten gets Oregon big money, Washington good money, USC spending huge nil money. Texas just has more bankroll than everybody else in the SEC. In as long as Sark is there, who is a more than capable coach? Texas is going to control this conference. Where Colin was row well, I picked the Lakers to dismantle the Tea Wolves because I'm like, I don't trust Julius Randall in the postseason. Who's going to do their scoring outside of ant And it happens that Randall was great and a lot of people did their scoring. The Tea Wolves were deeper, they had more dexterity and options off the bench, and JJ Reddick I didn't think flourished in this series. I also thought they just kept throwing athletic bodies at Austin Reeves. He was a bit of a no show. I think they should probably move him to get a big But boy was I wrong on.

I said, when Texas went to the SEC, guys, you're in trouble. Bama LSU Old Miss can't play in that space. Just reported that Texas will spend up to forty million on the football roster. That, by the way, does not count the arch manning money. That's a separate deal and the SEC schools, and I think they're feeling it now. And this is why the Big Ten is catching up. Because the Big Ten gets Oregon big money, Washington good money, USC spending huge nil money. Texas just has more bankroll than everybody else in the SEC. In as long as Sark is there, who is a more than capable coach? Texas is going to control this conference. Where Colin was row well, I picked the Lakers to dismantle the Tea Wolves because I'm like, I don't trust Julius Randall in the postseason. Who's going to do their scoring outside of ant And it happens that Randall was great and a lot of people did their scoring. The Tea Wolves were deeper, they had more dexterity and options off the bench, and JJ Reddick I didn't think flourished in this series. I also thought they just kept throwing athletic bodies at Austin Reeves. He was a bit of a no show. I think they should probably move him to get a big But boy was I wrong on.

That series where Colin was right.

That series where Colin was right.

Who's not said this about Austin Reeves.

Who's not said this about Austin Reeves.

He can be a four like a Derek White on a championship level team, but if he's a two or of three, you know you're not going to beat the best teams in the league. And he looked overwhelmed in this series against more athletic wings. He shot thirty two percent from three, did not get to the free throw line in the last two games of this series. Again, he is a good player, but look at all the talent on OKC and Minnesota and Cleveland, Indiana and the Celtics to here comes Detroit, Golden State still got it. I just think you have to sometimes be honest about your own players.

He can be a four like a Derek White on a championship level team, but if he's a two or of three, you know you're not going to beat the best teams in the league. And he looked overwhelmed in this series against more athletic wings. He shot thirty two percent from three, did not get to the free throw line in the last two games of this series. Again, he is a good player, but look at all the talent on OKC and Minnesota and Cleveland, Indiana and the Celtics to here comes Detroit, Golden State still got it. I just think you have to sometimes be honest about your own players.

Where Colin was right, Paul.

Where Colin was right, Paul.

Goldschmidt of the Yankees about six months ago, I told the staff most underrated player in the last fifteen years, and they said, he made seven All Star teams. How can you say he's underrated? What evs? He is now hitting three forty nine for the first place Yankees. Okay, Aaron Judge is from Mars. I can't explain Aaron Judge. But Paul Goldschmidt as your baseball insider, Okay, wasn't very good for Saint Louis last year, but he is crushing it. I do believe last fifteen years, nobody's been this good and gotten less press than Paul goldschmidth Colin Wright Colin wrong. And with that, Matt Hasselback eighteen years in the NFL, is joining us. So there was a story out about once you hey a quarterback, you have to make choices. And so the Niners love Hufunga and they love green Law. But there's a reason they're not on the team. It's because they're getting ready to pay Brock Purty and Hufungo was on like a podcast and he threw a little shade at him and said how much he loved bo Nicks. And my take is quarterbacks don't get criticized much. Russell Wilson's a historic outlier. Do you think there it feels like there's a tad animosity.

Goldschmidt of the Yankees about six months ago, I told the staff most underrated player in the last fifteen years, and they said, he made seven All Star teams. How can you say he's underrated? What evs? He is now hitting three forty nine for the first place Yankees. Okay, Aaron Judge is from Mars. I can't explain Aaron Judge. But Paul Goldschmidt as your baseball insider, Okay, wasn't very good for Saint Louis last year, but he is crushing it. I do believe last fifteen years, nobody's been this good and gotten less press than Paul goldschmidth Colin Wright Colin wrong. And with that, Matt Hasselback eighteen years in the NFL, is joining us. So there was a story out about once you hey a quarterback, you have to make choices. And so the Niners love Hufunga and they love green Law. But there's a reason they're not on the team. It's because they're getting ready to pay Brock Purty and Hufungo was on like a podcast and he threw a little shade at him and said how much he loved bo Nicks. And my take is quarterbacks don't get criticized much. Russell Wilson's a historic outlier. Do you think there it feels like there's a tad animosity.

Not because he's getting paid.

Not because he's getting paid.

Nobody's upset that Justin Herbert gets paid, or Lamar gets paid or Josh Allen gets paid. But I feel like there's a little bro this is Kyle's team, we're getting rid of Pro bowlers?

Nobody's upset that Justin Herbert gets paid, or Lamar gets paid or Josh Allen gets paid. But I feel like there's a little bro this is Kyle's team, we're getting rid of Pro bowlers?

Am I wrong on this?

Am I wrong on this?

There's a little bit of animosity that Brock's talking mid fifties or his agent is for a contract.

There's a little bit of animosity that Brock's talking mid fifties or his agent is for a contract.

Well, I agree with you in a lot of ways, but I don't think it's specific to this team.

Well, I agree with you in a lot of ways, but I don't think it's specific to this team.

Like if you were to be a fly on a wall in.

Like if you were to be a fly on a wall in.

The NFLPA meetings in Hawaii or wherever they have them, now, I think you'd hear that sentiment like, hey man, like these quarterback contracts they're just getting out of control. You know, those numbers are just exponentially, like multiplying, just going up and up and up, and then what we're having in other positions is we're not seeing that same growth. So you know, that is certainly something that you hear as a player in contract negotiations. I mean, I remember when the Indianapolis Colts at the end of my career, they were getting ready to do Andrew Lux contract.

The NFLPA meetings in Hawaii or wherever they have them, now, I think you'd hear that sentiment like, hey man, like these quarterback contracts they're just getting out of control. You know, those numbers are just exponentially, like multiplying, just going up and up and up, and then what we're having in other positions is we're not seeing that same growth. So you know, that is certainly something that you hear as a player in contract negotiations. I mean, I remember when the Indianapolis Colts at the end of my career, they were getting ready to do Andrew Lux contract.

It was going to be one hundred million dollar deal. They had to create space.

It was going to be one hundred million dollar deal. They had to create space.

You've seen a lot of teams do that with their franchise guy when they have a guy that they cannot let out the door. They have to make sacrifices elsewhere. I've seen Cincinnati do it. They did basically did it on the defensive side of the ball. So San Francisco they're feeling that pain, they're feeling that real hurt right now, and that's certainly an excuse that they give to the agent, and it's probably being honest.

You've seen a lot of teams do that with their franchise guy when they have a guy that they cannot let out the door. They have to make sacrifices elsewhere. I've seen Cincinnati do it. They did basically did it on the defensive side of the ball. So San Francisco they're feeling that pain, they're feeling that real hurt right now, and that's certainly an excuse that they give to the agent, and it's probably being honest.

I mean, that's just the nature of it.

I mean, that's just the nature of it.

But I wouldn't be shocked if this is something that does get talked about in the future.

But I wouldn't be shocked if this is something that does get talked about in the future.

Okay, so I know it's an old guy rant, but I do believe there is a row your own boat quality to my I say this to my kids, this is your life. I was watching the psychologist recently and he said, the more times you solve your kids problems, the worst problem solvers they'll be as adults.

Okay, so I know it's an old guy rant, but I do believe there is a row your own boat quality to my I say this to my kids, this is your life. I was watching the psychologist recently and he said, the more times you solve your kids problems, the worst problem solvers they'll be as adults.

Let your kids work through stuff. So yeah, I was getting it.

Let your kids work through stuff. So yeah, I was getting it.

I was talking to my kids this weekend. Maybe that's it. This story about Abdull Carter. Somehow it gets word out that he's like asked for Lawrence Taylor's number fifty six, the best defensive player in the history of this great sport. That drives me nuts. That bothers me, should it? How do you view it?

I was talking to my kids this weekend. Maybe that's it. This story about Abdull Carter. Somehow it gets word out that he's like asked for Lawrence Taylor's number fifty six, the best defensive player in the history of this great sport. That drives me nuts. That bothers me, should it? How do you view it?

Well, I mean, I'm maybe like, get off my lawn even more than you like. I hate the fact that defensive players like Tom Brady said, I hate that the fact that they get to wear.

Well, I mean, I'm maybe like, get off my lawn even more than you like. I hate the fact that defensive players like Tom Brady said, I hate that the fact that they get to wear.

Single digit numbers or number eleven in the first place. I'm old school that way.

Single digit numbers or number eleven in the first place. I'm old school that way.

But no, I just I think, listen, I don't listen, you ask, Go ahead and ask. I'm upset that it got out out now I look like kind of a You know, it's embarrassing that that two different people said no to me, But I.

But no, I just I think, listen, I don't listen, you ask, Go ahead and ask. I'm upset that it got out out now I look like kind of a You know, it's embarrassing that that two different people said no to me, But I.

Guess you never know unless you ask.

Guess you never know unless you ask.

I think the team probably could have done him a favor and just said, hey, pick whatever number you want, just so you know, here are the numbers we will never say yes to, you know, fifty six being one of them.

I think the team probably could have done him a favor and just said, hey, pick whatever number you want, just so you know, here are the numbers we will never say yes to, you know, fifty six being one of them.

Right.

Right.

But when I was in Seattle, listen, it's not a young guy, old guy thing. Like when I was in Seattle, numbers mean something to players. Jerry Rice signed with the Seattle Seahawks late in his career.

But when I was in Seattle, listen, it's not a young guy, old guy thing. Like when I was in Seattle, numbers mean something to players. Jerry Rice signed with the Seattle Seahawks late in his career.

He wanted to where.

He wanted to where.

Eighty eighty was basically retired because Steve Largent Hall of Fame wide receiver for Seattle, and it was a thing like you know, basically Steve Largent got put in a tough spot. Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time, asked, what are you gonna do? Say no, it's a little bit harder to say no, they're and then he wore eighty.

Eighty eighty was basically retired because Steve Largent Hall of Fame wide receiver for Seattle, and it was a thing like you know, basically Steve Largent got put in a tough spot. Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time, asked, what are you gonna do? Say no, it's a little bit harder to say no, they're and then he wore eighty.

I was fine with it, The team was fine with it. Jerry obviously was fine with it.

I was fine with it, The team was fine with it. Jerry obviously was fine with it.

But the fans didn't sit well with some of those old school Kingdome fans, like didn't sit well with them.

But the fans didn't sit well with some of those old school Kingdome fans, like didn't sit well with them.

So it's a tricky thing. But I'm with you.

So it's a tricky thing. But I'm with you.

I guess LT was my guy as well, Collin, so I can relate to that.

I guess LT was my guy as well, Collin, so I can relate to that.

By the way, I just want to throw I want to go old school here and again A lot of times. You know, if you if you're twenty years old or thirty years old, you don't think Michael Jordan ever lost a playoff game. So there is something about the highlight culture. Take our audience just because, I mean, tell them how good LT was for people that only watch highlights.

By the way, I just want to throw I want to go old school here and again A lot of times. You know, if you if you're twenty years old or thirty years old, you don't think Michael Jordan ever lost a playoff game. So there is something about the highlight culture. Take our audience just because, I mean, tell them how good LT was for people that only watch highlights.

Because I remember him.

Because I remember him.

I said, when Mike Tyson was in his prime coming up, he intimidated other heavyweight fighters, like Michael speaks is like.

I said, when Mike Tyson was in his prime coming up, he intimidated other heavyweight fighters, like Michael speaks is like.

I'm not interested. I want to go home and have a boulapasta. I'm out. How great was Lawrence? Do you have a Lawrence Taylor story?

I'm not interested. I want to go home and have a boulapasta. I'm out. How great was Lawrence? Do you have a Lawrence Taylor story?

Yeah? I mean I got too many. Listen.

Yeah? I mean I got too many. Listen.

My dad ended his career in the New York Giants, and you know Mark Bavarro was the starting tight end, so he'd go with the ones against the Scout team defense. My dad was the backup tight end. He'd go with the twos against the starting New York Giants defense. It's Carl Banks on one side, it's Lawrence Taylor on the other. Like, I got more stories than I'm probably allowed to tell about LT.

My dad ended his career in the New York Giants, and you know Mark Bavarro was the starting tight end, so he'd go with the ones against the Scout team defense. My dad was the backup tight end. He'd go with the twos against the starting New York Giants defense. It's Carl Banks on one side, it's Lawrence Taylor on the other. Like, I got more stories than I'm probably allowed to tell about LT.

But he was the kind of guy I would just say.

But he was the kind of guy I would just say.

Like, from my perspective, like when the game was on the line, he did whatever he wanted to do. If he was supposed to blitz, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If he wasn't, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He had that kind of freedom. I remember one time my dad was on the field goal protection team. They're kicking a game winning field goal and LT felt like, no, this is too important. He runs out there and kicks off like one of the wings on field goal protection. He was like, no, I'm blocking for this because we need to win this game. He just had that aura about him.

Like, from my perspective, like when the game was on the line, he did whatever he wanted to do. If he was supposed to blitz, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If he wasn't, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He had that kind of freedom. I remember one time my dad was on the field goal protection team. They're kicking a game winning field goal and LT felt like, no, this is too important. He runs out there and kicks off like one of the wings on field goal protection. He was like, no, I'm blocking for this because we need to win this game. He just had that aura about him.

He did whatever he wanted.

He did whatever he wanted.

And I think, like even now here we are in twenty twenty five, you hear guys like Bill Parcells or you hear Bill Belichick, they talk about the greatest to ever play, a game changer, they're talking about LT. I mean, he was that kind of a difference maker, a unique talent, a unique teammate, and certainly someone that changed past protection in the NFL the way that they design it. And that's I mean, I don't know what more you could say about a guy incredible.

And I think, like even now here we are in twenty twenty five, you hear guys like Bill Parcells or you hear Bill Belichick, they talk about the greatest to ever play, a game changer, they're talking about LT. I mean, he was that kind of a difference maker, a unique talent, a unique teammate, and certainly someone that changed past protection in the NFL the way that they design it. And that's I mean, I don't know what more you could say about a guy incredible.

So let's take Jalen Milroll the Seahawks. I've been told Seattle would like to use him in the red zone, that he's just a unique athlete and team. He's one of those athletes that you can't prepare for. He's just faster than anybody on your team. But right now, if you don't have a contract with the Seahawks, can I get the playbook? What am I doing? You have a quick camp? What is a quarterback that's new to this league? What where are they in the process?

So let's take Jalen Milroll the Seahawks. I've been told Seattle would like to use him in the red zone, that he's just a unique athlete and team. He's one of those athletes that you can't prepare for. He's just faster than anybody on your team. But right now, if you don't have a contract with the Seahawks, can I get the playbook? What am I doing? You have a quick camp? What is a quarterback that's new to this league? What where are they in the process?

Now, well, that's a couple of different questions there. Number one, they're in this phase of like basically there's all.

Now, well, that's a couple of different questions there. Number one, they're in this phase of like basically there's all.

These rules of what you can do with veteran players. You get it, so you get three phases.

These rules of what you can do with veteran players. You get it, so you get three phases.

Phase one basically there's no football, it's lifting, it's rehabits, studying, terminology.

Phase one basically there's no football, it's lifting, it's rehabits, studying, terminology.

Phase two you get into like.

Phase two you get into like.

Maybe throwing on air, there's no defense, some of that kind of stuff.

Maybe throwing on air, there's no defense, some of that kind of stuff.

And then Phase three the end of it.

And then Phase three the end of it.

Now we're in seven on seven, nine on seven team drills, eleven on eleven. But I think uniquely to this situation with Jalen Milroe, what you're going to see is you're going to see a guy that they're going to try to develop as he's the backup he's going to be developing, and I think that that might even include playing on Sundays. So you saw what Kyle Shanahan did. You know Clint Kubiak came from that system. You saw what Kyle Shanahan did a little bit with Trey Lance before he got hurt. Short yardage, goal line and low red zone meaning inside the ten yard line.

Now we're in seven on seven, nine on seven team drills, eleven on eleven. But I think uniquely to this situation with Jalen Milroe, what you're going to see is you're going to see a guy that they're going to try to develop as he's the backup he's going to be developing, and I think that that might even include playing on Sundays. So you saw what Kyle Shanahan did. You know Clint Kubiak came from that system. You saw what Kyle Shanahan did a little bit with Trey Lance before he got hurt. Short yardage, goal line and low red zone meaning inside the ten yard line.

There will be a package.

There will be a package.

For Jalen Milroe who he is as a runner, also who he is as a quarterback, as a thrower. I think they're going to give him a small menu, not a cheesecake factory menu, like a very small menu of things to think about and dominate. And what's what that's going to do is every opponent it's going to have to spend a lot of time thinking about it, planning for it. And it's time that they won't be spending game planning for Sam Darnold and the rest of the guys.

For Jalen Milroe who he is as a runner, also who he is as a quarterback, as a thrower. I think they're going to give him a small menu, not a cheesecake factory menu, like a very small menu of things to think about and dominate. And what's what that's going to do is every opponent it's going to have to spend a lot of time thinking about it, planning for it. And it's time that they won't be spending game planning for Sam Darnold and the rest of the guys.

I got to ask you there. You know whatever Aaron Rodgers is going to do, So how long if he goes to Pittsburg and it's a totally new Arthur Smith's system, how long would it take you ere and Aaron Rodgers to go in and It's almost like moving to a new city and driving to your new job where you don't have to think about it. It's rote you've memorized that everything's quick. What is the time that Aaron the latest he could show up and you'd feel like, listen, he's all it's all working, the timing, the audible system. What's the timeline on that the latest Aeron could go to?

I got to ask you there. You know whatever Aaron Rodgers is going to do, So how long if he goes to Pittsburg and it's a totally new Arthur Smith's system, how long would it take you ere and Aaron Rodgers to go in and It's almost like moving to a new city and driving to your new job where you don't have to think about it. It's rote you've memorized that everything's quick. What is the time that Aaron the latest he could show up and you'd feel like, listen, he's all it's all working, the timing, the audible system. What's the timeline on that the latest Aeron could go to?

Say the Steelers.

Say the Steelers.

Well, I'll tell you right now.

Well, I'll tell you right now.

I just mentioned the three phases for a venturing quarterback. Phase one feels like a waste of your time, like it sort of does. It's just lifting, Hey, I could lift with my guy where I like to lift, Like this is just kind of the mindset.

I just mentioned the three phases for a venturing quarterback. Phase one feels like a waste of your time, like it sort of does. It's just lifting, Hey, I could lift with my guy where I like to lift, Like this is just kind of the mindset.

There's no football there anyway.

There's no football there anyway.

Phase two again like you're throwing the guys on air, not that important.

Phase two again like you're throwing the guys on air, not that important.

Phase three I think is really important.

Phase three I think is really important.

So for the Pittsburgh Steelers, I believe that's May twenty seventh. May twenty seventh is the start of phase three. They also have a mandatory mini camp, which would technically be June tenth. So you know, so when is the day that I need to, like all of a sudden, go from speaking Spanish to speaking French. It's not really till week one of the NFL season. Because of who you are, You're Aaron Rodgers.

So for the Pittsburgh Steelers, I believe that's May twenty seventh. May twenty seventh is the start of phase three. They also have a mandatory mini camp, which would technically be June tenth. So you know, so when is the day that I need to, like all of a sudden, go from speaking Spanish to speaking French. It's not really till week one of the NFL season. Because of who you are, You're Aaron Rodgers.

You'll figure it out. You can speak enough to get by.

You'll figure it out. You can speak enough to get by.

But to me, I think I would circle that May twenty seventh date as a date that like, it would really be detrimental to be starting the missing time at that point right now, Phase one, phase two, I think some guys that have played a long time and understandably so you know, it's a little bit of ticket or.

But to me, I think I would circle that May twenty seventh date as a date that like, it would really be detrimental to be starting the missing time at that point right now, Phase one, phase two, I think some guys that have played a long time and understandably so you know, it's a little bit of ticket or.

Leave it by the way.

Leave it by the way.

Every time we talk to you, you're in a cool different place. That's a snazzy looking room. Is that a hotel somewhere?

Every time we talk to you, you're in a cool different place. That's a snazzy looking room. Is that a hotel somewhere?

No, I'm actually my parents' house. So that's actually one of my dad's paintings. But this is my mom's I guess my mom's upstairs. So I am everywhere. I feel like I'm always missing you though you're on the road as well.

No, I'm actually my parents' house. So that's actually one of my dad's paintings. But this is my mom's I guess my mom's upstairs. So I am everywhere. I feel like I'm always missing you though you're on the road as well.

Your dad was a painter, right, Yeah, he.

Your dad was a painter, right, Yeah, he.

Was an artist inspired by the sunsets in Colorado. He played in Colorado out in Boulder, So a lot of color, a lot of mountains, a lot of that stuff.

Was an artist inspired by the sunsets in Colorado. He played in Colorado out in Boulder, So a lot of color, a lot of mountains, a lot of that stuff.

Uh, beautiful, Matt Hasselbeck is always good seeing.

Uh, beautiful, Matt Hasselbeck is always good seeing.

Your body awesome. Thanks Colin, you bet.

Your body awesome. Thanks Colin, you bet.

May twenty seventh, mark it down for Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh.

May twenty seventh, mark it down for Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh.

I don't know, you know, there is a possibility that he's I saw a story this weekend where Aaron was wearing an engagement ring or a wedding ring or something. There's a story out there is that's he's Uh, it's serious.

I don't know, you know, there is a possibility that he's I saw a story this weekend where Aaron was wearing an engagement ring or a wedding ring or something. There's a story out there is that's he's Uh, it's serious.

Is that what the young people are doing?

Is that what the young people are doing?

Men are wearing engagement rings?

Men are wearing engagement rings?

Well, I don't no, no, no, no, you're right, you're right. He's wearing a ring. Okay, now I'm not saying.

Well, I don't no, no, no, no, you're right, you're right. He's wearing a ring. Okay, now I'm not saying.

Maybe it's a promise ring. I think guys do that right in high school.

Maybe it's a promise ring. I think guys do that right in high school.

I don't know he's wearing a ring. Aaron Rodgers coming, so I guess he would be married.

I don't know he's wearing a ring. Aaron Rodgers coming, so I guess he would be married.

Possibly.

Possibly.

I'm just he's very private, so nobody really knows. I think the name is Brianna.

I'm just he's very private, so nobody really knows. I think the name is Brianna.

I think no. I saw a story yesterday.

I think no. I saw a story yesterday.

So you know how you can like go into your feet and put in words that you don't want to see.

So you know how you can like go into your feet and put in words that you don't want to see.

Aaron Rodgers is in my so I don't see any Aaron ro I have no.

Aaron Rodgers is in my so I don't see any Aaron ro I have no.

Idea what he's doing.

Idea what he's doing.

He could be in Egypt again, he could be on the River Nile right now.

He could be in Egypt again, he could be on the River Nile right now.

I would have no idea.

I would have no idea.

I'm out on Aaron Rod.

I'm out on Aaron Rod.

Just done, totally

Just done, totally