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Oh that's right, it's the Herd here Fox Sports Radio. No Colin Cowherd. Instead, it's two pros and a cup of Joe myself, Jonas Knox alongside LeVar Arrington and Brady Quinn, and we will be taking you all the way up until three o'clock Eastern time noon Pacific here at FSR. As we are a little over a week away from Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans. We are going to be there next week. Is this the proverbial calm before the storm? Or we at the point to where we're just kind of we we've run through the gauntlet of topics to get ready for this one game.
How we feel.
It's the calm before LeVar it gets to New Orleans. That's what it is.
That's right, we have to be very careful about calm before storms. While speaking on referencing New Orleans. So you know it's a little too soon, you know.
What I mean? You know, Yeah, that's fair, is fair. It's going to be careful with storms and all that.
Yeah, but LeVar is going to show up and he will touch down on a slur ricane.
There we go. Yeah, I'm gonna jump on her Ricaine.
Who I love how you just told us we need to temper it down and then you just made a song out of it that was black.
I can do it. I can get away with it on that note. I am a black man.
You know.
It's easy to leverage it these days. So I'm gonna go ahead, and Rocky, you're.
Going to lean into it. I'm gonna lean all the way into it, all right.
Right, I'm just trying to figure out how we early.
If you weren't stimulated, I got to if your ears weren't perked up, they perked up.
Now who put together this runout?
I did? I've got to talk about this subject to start off the show.
I did not.
I will not be kelled accountable for this. Ryan, that was what do you mean that's lead to lab. That's lead to Lap Special Ryan Music had nothing to do.
There was an email, by the way, you know, so I'm blind you got the e mail.
I have the e mail. I mean, I expect me.
To be in up to date on all this technology and be into the Google or the Docs and all that stuff.
We bring in Ryan for this and ask them if isn't that hard to log into a Google Doc.
I've I've seen the challenges that can come up with Google Docs.
So you know what you know?
Lead to Lap who is your fantastic producer for your guys, his regular show through the regular timeslot. He's he's going through a lot right now. I don't know if you guys know this. I'm gonna peel back the curtain lead to that may be homeless right now. So the guy's going through a lot. Cut him some slack. There's expand the time of transition.
If you have to expand on that, what do you mean?
Yeah, I got a notification after my you know, afternoon nap yesterday that our place was being rented out for the month. So I had a few hours to get ready to pack up.
The entire place.
Google Docs at the bottom of his priority list right now. So we're just have some grace, have some grace.
You're trying to rent you were trying to rent it out.
I haven't someone set the stage please?
So I set the stage for this? Oh god?
So yeah, my my my place is now. I don't have anywhere to go after the show. I'll just be here until we go to New Orleans. I can't wait to go sleep at a you have. This is a new audience.
You have to explain in thirty seconds how you got to being homeless right now?
Is this real?
Like?
This is real?
Joy? I'm just done? Like, do you not keep up with your boys? Feeling your dut.
You didn't tell me I didn't know anything.
You guys didn't pick up that there was nothing done on the Google doc until about thirty minutes before the show.
Today it still looks like there's nothing done. Let me let me fill everyone quickly. Okay, Lee is in. Let's just call it a relationship. Although a relationship purgato ah, yeah, pretty volatile at best. And he happens to share a place with this loved one, and they, I guess, are trying to sell it. They fixed it up, trying to sell it to and she's gone for what two Weeksly.
Yeah, I actually just dropped her off at Lax on the way here.
Uh.
She actually flew back in to help me get the place ready.
Okay, so hold on, I'll update this. Because the last we heard, you were trying to sell it, not trying to rent it.
This changes to get away by the Yeah, it's just not just to sell it. To sell it. You are selling it so y'all could get away from one. Let's be clear on this. You can get away from her.
Yeah, yes, yes it is. It is listed. Well, now it's not. Now we've taken it off listings. We canceled all our open houses this weekend. Why, sadly, Cousin's because I rented it out for the month.
You're renting it for only a month.
Yes, but if you can sell it while you're renting it, Lee, like you put them in a homeless situation. Let the renters go find another place to rent, Lee, there's another reason why you took it off the listing to sell it. Tell the truth.
Well, the realtors wanted to take it off. It doesn't look good that it's just sitting there without an open house and all that stuff.
It's not.
Well, maybe it's the lounge chair in the kitchen that kind of or the bedroom by the way, and the yeah, the gun holes, the gunshots and.
The we got a family, or the revolver hanging from the ceiling.
Maybe they just don't want to sell the home because maybe they're trying to figure out if their love has That's just speak clearly here, and I think you're onto this.
Yes, so now there's a family of sleeping in my kitchen?
Yes, all right, well who's the family of Fa and Jonas?
At least?
Sorry about the pickup truck and yard break?
Do you say's landscape?
Uh? So?
Why I had no idea?
So that we really try hard not to get asked to back on the herd.
That that might explain why the topic says, let's start off with Justin Tucker, which I'm not really sure why why somebody put put why did somebody put to g's in the middle of his last name? I don't get it. Who's uh, who's the class act here on that on this show? So from LEAs situation, which nobody really knew about until until just moments ago, to the situation involving Justin Tucker, who you know, apparently to school with Deshaun Watson. I listen, I don't want to make those jokes here, all right, Like that's it's so. Yeah, Well, I think I think it's too soon and we're not you know, there's there's a lot of people out there that are high up in the NFL, like Robert Kraft, who don't want to see the league tarnished like this. So I just I think it's Bobby orchids. Yeah, I just think it's fair that we that we represent this in the proper manner.
I'm sorry. Let's go from the Baltimore Banner.
Justin Tucker had a little bit of an issue at some massage parlors. Between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen, at least six different massage therapists accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior. The details are gross. I mean you could look that up. You know, some things left behind that probably shouldn't have been any who nay possibly and uh multiple spas immediately terminated him as a client. Tucker has denied this. The NFL is investigating, and it just begs the question, you know, maybe this might have been what why he was struggling this year. Maybe there was some stuff that was about to come out, and he was having a little bit of an issue focusing.
So there's wrong wrong with guys, man.
I can't they just like be a pro on and off the field, Like what is I don't get it, I really don't. It's not that complicated, it's not that hard. Well, I guess in this case it probably was. Yeah, yeah, very It's something about the AFC north Man seems like, oh, that's what you want to go with. I'm just saying, like it's it seems to be.
There's a different AFC in there though with Bobby Orchids, so there is a little bit sprinkled in from a different AFC.
But it does seem but the most north AFCAST team ors Buffalo more further north.
It doesn't even really matter, right, I mean, that's a New England state, Like it's a New England place.
It's very far north.
You know, Cleveland North, Well, Midwest Dang, Now Baltimore, Baltimore's what is Baltimore? That's not north? North?
Is it?
That's like the lowestness nor It's north for the NFL standards, it's there, you go.
I mean, hey, tomato, tomato.
The bottom line here is is that uh, something incorrect is taking place. I'm curious as to now now it crosses racial barriers for certain not just because they're not there's power. You could say, you know robber Craft, you know, with his situation at Orchards of Asia, like okay, whatever, he's an owner, like he's not going to get fired or you know, I don't know, you know, he'll.
Deal with what he deals with.
But now you have two players that have gone through the same exact situation.
What it's just like you just like you were, you were thinking black and white, I was just thinking weird though.
I don't know. Glad it doesn't.
I'm glad it doesn't just settled down and I'm glad it's situated itself in a weirdo category, you know what I mean. Like it's just it's so simple, sometimes so easy to fall into just kind of maybe you know, stereotyping or you know, drawing a quick conclusion. And for what it's worth, I've always said, kickers are people too, And you know what, now Justin Tucker has taken that, uh that definition to a whole other level. Like he didn't want to just be seen as a player like you're a person too.
On the football team.
He wanted to be looked at as like, you know, like the quarterback, like this is one of the main positions, and I'll show you we get the same type of action that that the quarterbacks get.
Man, And I think this was the wrong.
Way to go about proving that to the people and to the culture, to to the fans. But nonetheless he did. So here we are and we're talking about it. Yeah, it's yeah, there you go.
Not great, right are your thoughts in this whole situation evolving? Justin Tucker, And it's ridiculous. I mean, hopefully things will you know, be better on the up and up. I mean, that's all you can really say.
I mean, I just you hope that all the things that have been put out there aren't true. But it's hard when there's this much smoke. I mean, that was It was the same thing with even in Deshaun Watson's case. As much as you you know, looked at the allegations and you're saying, okay, in this country it's it's innocent until proven guilty. What came to my mind was, you know, you had thirty some allegations and then you had like thirty some that came out in his defense, and my first question was, why the hell do you have sixty massage therapists? Like thirty four? You thirty against you? I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous. But you're just herd in one city. All you needed at that point in time was one, maybe two, right, Like you don't need sixty or howevery massage therapists in this case, when you look at the details, it's alarming because you're saying, well, why did he have some massage therapists just in Baltimore. Now, he's been there forever and he's been extremely successful, and maybe you know when to change things whatever. I'm sure there's some sort of rationale or something to this, but I just it's hard to buy into it that he's completely innocent, and I know I'm going against what I just said a moment ago, but again, it just it's hard when there's this much smoke not to think that there's something more there.
How many allegations are against Tucker.
He was kicked out of at least six massage therapists. He was kicked out of a bunch of different spas in the Baltimore area, all Right, bunch.
What type of spalls were they do? We know that type where they red lights spalls, where they like where they upscale spalls.
You told like if they had a water table that was like the telling signs that you said.
Is that what you said?
LeVar?
I don't recall that, but if Q said it, then I probably mentioned it.
Huh, that's interesting.
Yeah, I just I've always known that if if it had like this is what I learned when I was early in the league, and I won't I'll leave some of my teammates nameless. But they always said, look for the red open signe that's the massage parlor. He he them. They enjoyed going to were the massage parlors.
Spall spalls.
So you're saying, like a ten pm on a Tuesday night, that red sign should not say open, is what you're saying.
It probably shouldn't say open. So that's so reckless. There's my favorite Indian food place back home U they have a red open sign.
That's a restaurant.
That's a restaurant, and even to that point, there might be a soda machine, there might be a like a door off to the side, and that's connected to that open.
Side, you pull a candle down by the fireplace.
And then open you walk right in.
You'll try to speak easies like that, and they got rub easies like that.
I'm just saying, all right, you know, hey listen, yeah, I mean he look.
Red open sides. Eight people out there.
I'm putting you up on a little game if you If you see a massage parlor and it's in a city and you just happen to be walking back, like you said, it's like nine, you know, ten o'clock and it says open, chances are that's, uh, that's the massage parlor that these guys you know.
We're going to.
All I'll just say, is this, uh somebody who listens to our show in the morning from six to nine Eastern time. It was pretty connected in the Baltimore area. He sent me a message before this stuff came out, and he says it's legit.
So that's a leg legit.
Well, you know, apparently there's also some tweets that have been well, no, there's some tweets that were sent out a few years back that kind of indicated something was.
Going on that everybody in the area kind of knew.
It wasn't a very well kept secret that Justin Tucker had, you know, some issues with this and had been kicked out of several places.
So I mean that is that gives a new meaning to his name, now, doesn't.
It just Tucker? Like I mean, definitely.
It's here's my question though, from an NFL standpoint, how does the league handle this?
Like they got to sit him down? Yeah, I meant to shut him down and depending on like you know, they'll leave it up to and I know cues the legal guy here. But but I'll just say this. I mean, I have no idea why. I don't either, but you're good at it. You sound like you know it, so I defer. But I'll just say, Deshaun Watson set the tone for what I mean, maybe Bobby Orchids did, Robert Robert Kraft set the tone, but DeShawn did it. For players and whatever it is that that has come out and has popped.
Up, they have to they have to.
Get Justin Tucker out of the way. He can't be like he's a kicker. It's not like he I mean, but he's a he's a high profile kicker, but he can't be on the field. First things first, No matter if he you know, the whole innocent until proven guilty. That's fine. He can't be active right now, that's first things first, it's like he can't be active. I would assume that would be the first step queue that would be taken as just making sure people know that they're investigating it, they're aware of it, and until further notice of what's going on, until we find out more about what's going on. You know, justin Tucker is probably to just stay away and stay wherever he's going to be, but not be at the facility or a part of anything that's Ravens related.
I would assume this is a classic case of why the Commissioner's Exempt list was created, because you're able to determine what the facts are and figure this out now that there's a couple of different things that play here, right, I don't know if the lawsuit's civil in nature or if it's criminal nature from this report, because that makes a big difference. Right, If it's criminal, obviously the burden of proof to prove what he did was wrong is much greater. However, you know, in regards to the player Conduct policy, both still play a factor. But if it's a criminal conviction if that happens down the road, you think that not only is the evidence more damning that not only are they're going to know from a legal standpoint, but also the NFL is going to be able to find out the suspension would be just disputative, meaning Watson's was I believe eleven games? Which not to get off on a tangent, hair, I am curious to know because of how everything transpired with the trade, and he goes to Cleveland, if they weren't playing Houston in that week twelve game back in twenty twenty two in December, if it would have been longer, and if it would have been you know, any anymore, you know, again punitive only because I think the NFL. NFL is kind of selling that. They might not want to admit that, but selling every part of that. The fact that he's in Cleveland, he's making his return to Houston. Yeah, like that's that's something's gonna make people want to tune.
In a roun because it is kind of a random number to throw out on a suspension, you know, like two games, four games, it has eleven. It's like, you know, come on, well, I can't recall if there was any tweaking to that number if he had appealed it and they had reduced it, which I can't again imagine and I don't remember that being the case.
So the eleven number was just kind of odd. Typically they like even numbers. If you guys recalled back during the Ray Rice situation, it kind of became almost common that if there was a domestic violence is su would be six games. That was the minimum that.
Players were forever or so.
In this case, it really comes down to I think what the NFL or is able to gather. But I think you'll have an idea of that based on I haven't looked to see if it's criminal or civil, but that that will give you a sense. If it's civil. Again, burden proof is a lot harder to be able to award. You know, in this case, the point is what they're looking to get, and you.
Will be a little bit lenient, more lenient if you're the league, right if it's civil. If it's so, here's the thing that might hit a little different, correct.
Well, I mean, I don't know how deep are go into this right now, but I don't think that matters as much. I think what you know, what they're going to have as far as what they can prove from an evidence standpoint. Is why I'm bringing this up because if you have a really big slam dunk case, and you'll probably try both it be criminal and civil. Right, if you don't have quite as much damning evidence, you probably would want to go to the civil route because that's the only way you're going to probably be able to feel like, you know, your plaintiff is going to be able to get any sort of fulfillment of that verdict, right Like, you'd hate to see them losing that case. A lot of people are just going to say, well, maybe it's a money grab, maybe they just want to settle, and this stuff was going on, so they just want to you know, paydate, whatever the case is. But all those things are still out there in both cases. But typically when you see someone try a criminal case first, it's because they've got more damning evidence. They want that person to pay and for their freedom to be impacted. So I would say it doesn't matter if it's criminal or civil in this case, it really comes down to, you know, what evidence is out there to prove one way or another, and then what the NFL is able to ascertain from all of that, and if they if they can build enough of a case to sit there and say we feel like this is heinous and just as bad as Deshaun Watson, then yeah, you'd have to say eleven games would be at least what we've seen so far. The interesting thing is that I thought that Deshaun Watson came, this would be a unicorn, like we never see that again in the NFL, And now we're here, what two years, two and a half years later, dealing with the heading in the twenty twenty five season again.
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LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox filling in for calling here. Hour two of this three hour extravaganza. Getaway day coming up in a couple of days as we get set for the Super Bowl in New Orleans.
We will be there.
You can hear us by the way Monday through Friday, six to nine am Eastern time, three o'clock to six am Pacific time, so a little later Star time for us today, but we will be back in our standard time slot coming up on Monday live from New Orleans at Radio Row. And who the hell knows who's going to be walking the streets of New Orleans at that time that hour.
So Lee, Yeah, yeah, probably Lee, probably our producer. Yes, this we do know. He really is almost He may not be with us, He may be walking the streets.
Lee may not make it back. A lot of stuff goes on on Bourbon Street.
Man.
I mean, you guys, God, I wish you guys could see him. He really he's going on, how many what are we? Forty five minutes sleep?
He said, uh.
Yeah, if that not that, not quite that much. I had about a half hour. I don't know how much of that was actual sleep.
Can I just go back to the question. I think we've all brought it up. You must want to prolong this relationship. If you're choosing to run it out only for a month, talk to him and not just lowering the price and trying to sell it like just so you can cut ties.
Tell him if I can sell it today, I would, but I'll take the I'll take the month runt.
You're lying. You're lying, dude, You're lying.
Lee myself, Yes, why do you you You know, habituals do not realize that they are lying, bro like you.
Have like Stockholm syndrome. Man, I'm just saying, there's something going on here.
It's not that bad, is it not?
Hey Lee? Why we're in a crop top today?
Jeez, it's a new fan, punky brewster head. How's your computer doing?
I got a new charger, so on my third computer, now on my third laptop.
Well, why is that?
Lee?
The other one got a little wet boot.
Lea didn't have a flo How to get wet?
Lee?
I don't know. I don't know.
By the way, it was nobody in the body of water. You weren't in the body of water that that that computer, that laptop he.
Was taking for a frisbee.
M bye. Who.
By the way, Le doesn't use air tags. He uses lifeguards to get his belongings back.
Hey Lee, Lee, who thought that your laptop was a Frisbee? I don't know.
I just saw it fly out the window, that's all.
What window? Whose windows? From your window? That is correct? Okay? All right, all right, so there you go. All right, all.
Right, So from from that and we'll get to the bottom of whatever the hell's going on there with Lee and why why Lee found out an hour before the show he was homeless. Cam Newton, Uh, the the former NFL quarterback, is now making the rounds. He's not a huge fan of Uh, you know, Jason Whitlock and some others these days. There's been a lot of back and forth from Cam and the media. If you're at a seven on seven tournament and you try and throw down with him, he'll just control you with one arm and slap your buddies around.
Will never lose his hat.
He looked like Jean Claude Van Damit afraid.
Did he have any marks on him, like any rips in his clothes, any amazing.
Wrinkle I've said I will say it before.
He is an Adonis, Like he is one of the most physically imposing people you have ever seen. Like you you got to see when when defenders walk on the field pregame and they see how big Cam was. Like I remember playing against Been twenty twelve and I was just like, dude, I was like, bruyah, someone's got to try to tackle him in our second the same size?
What are you know? No, no, buddy.
I swear to God when I stood there and you like you look up like he I don't know what he is. He's listed has if he's six five six, No, he is like six foot seven, he's he's closer to six seven. Then I swear he is six five. He's I just and he can he can hear it, he could run.
Yeah, he was just. He was a bad dude.
Now he's good I media, I mean he he's a lightning rod and media, I mean people are paying attention to him.
He's basically Brady Quinn is what you're saying, Lebar the black version? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great point.
Yeah, and a little bit more athletic, you know what I mean?
Ay Lee, can we run with that on Twitter? Brad Brady Quinn is the white Cam Newton or Cam Newton is the black Brady Quinn. If you just do that, I think, very.
Good looking dude, keep going over six foot four.
I'm with yeah. I definitely not music. You could attest to this too correct.
Well, not only that, I just want to know who has the better hat collection, because Brady, I hear you get pretty close to some of these things.
We've seen Cam Newton wearing.
Cam's hats are crazy where you actually Actually, if.
We're really going to call it someone for their hats on this show, it's all you showed up with a fire hat at a funeral.
What I did, it was a black hat.
I can't bring this up because listen, I know that that is correct, and uh and his and he had perfect vision. He was able to see like you know any uh any hammocks right.
There was three takeaways from that funeral. There was that at the gravesite. I didn't want to see it, but some things you just see.
You know. It was Levar's hat.
I was like, oh, that's a statement hat for a funeral.
It was the It was it was your your in laws, your family, and that car that I believe in hydraulics.
Yes, yes man. It was like half the.
Block with with with with Tyrone the chauffeur.
And and and a twine Bailey in the back. And that's six ten.
I've never seen someone pull up to a funeral.
I was like, like Cam Newton sitting on someone's shoulders.
Hey, all I know is the Knox Brothers. Yeah, boys got this stating for whips. I had no idea what's all about. But y'all, y'all on your vehicles. I don't get it.
And the last thing was is the the attire was risque.
Uncle LeVar, like, I approve. I'm sitting there saying my goodbyes.
And while I'm looking to say my goodbyes, was I a red thong?
I mean, I didn't know. I couldn't look at the final flight.
Burial.
It was like we brought the sling shot.
I looked at LeVar like, did you just see that? He just gave me that like.
Very sly nod of like yeah, so, just if we can peel back the curtain just a bit, the curtain of the thong.
We just peeled back just a bit. We uh yeah, we all.
I think it's the only time that this show has ever all gotten together. Outside the show is at a funeral, uh not to be named, who was who was?
Who was being lowered down?
But somebody at the funeral who was a a family member decided to go no belt and red thong when they bent over to say they're goodbyes.
And LeVar was the first one to spot it. Like a draw spotted LeVar like a drone. You are stupid. I am not a hawk.
Ay like that, I was looking at there we're looking at I was like, wow.
That's a beautiful casket. WHOA what is that? Like? Why is that there? LeVar?
Just one of these things don't belong here, everybody. It's like a somber moment. People are laying flowers on the casket.
It was that moment.
You just hear LeVar in the background go jeez, LeVar.
You saw the red roads and it matched the red thall and that was what stood out.
It was very Rose readish and I don't know why I remember that, but I do.
You know?
So from that over to Cam Newton, Yeah. Cam Newton has some thoughts on the debate between MVP and Super Bowl. Obviously an MVP winner, obviously not a Super Bowl winner, did appear in one and this was his take on First Take yesterday.
I asked you, Cam, if you could give back that league MVP for a Super Bowl championship, would you do it?
Nope?
Oh?
Really?
Really?
Wow? What's more important impact or championships? If we're being honest, the impact of you holding yourself accountable to say everybody has a responsibility to do.
And you could say, as.
An MVP Award winner or All American you've hailed yourself or you've hailed jo into the bargain down. And that's what it really comes down to for me. I know that's not the popular pick.
I'm trying to.
Be popularized, but my take is I'm taking individuals success because I did my job.
So there's Cam Newton discussed on. Disagree with him, you guys could take it first. I don't disagree with like all of it. So I would rather have a super Bowl. I would rather have a chance. I would have rather have a national title. I'd rather have a super Bowl. But he's I mean, what is inaccurate about what he's saying. If you've held yourself personally to the highest standard that you can and you worked your now if it came at the expense of others, if you getting the award that you got most Valuable Player award, which how would you be the most valuable player? If you're costing your teammates, if you're costing the team games, So to me, I would I can understand the reasoning of saying that I'd rather have the MVP title or whatever it may be, based off of what I've held myself accountable to what my level of play is going to be. I mean, I don't have a problem with that. Let me just put it this way.
I think when he answered the question, he answered it, but then he kind of pivoted to like a different conversation because what you're talking about are like two kinds of separate things. To me, if you asked me and granted, like I guess, the only thing I can say is, you know, when the Heisman I won the Maxwell, right, so that's a Player of the Year award. Would I have traded that for a national championship? There is no doubt in my mind, And I think had I had a successful enough career to ever win MVP or even be a part of a team won a Super Bowl, to me, there's no hesitation. You take the championship and take the super Bowl. And I think it's in part because you know, for me person because look, it's all about perspective. It's all about how he feels like he won the MVP. Now he's been to a Super Bowl, he lost it, and so I would I would think from his perspective, there's not too many other people that could kind of understand what he's saying and how he's sang it and why he wouldn't trade that, But I think for most players, most people, you would take the championship in part because it's not such an individual thing. You get to share that moment, that history. You know, it's one more than forever, right. You hear that phrase all the time because you're gonna forever be remembered in history together as a part of that team that won a championship. And that to me is the ultimate thing about football. Like what I love about football is even as much importance as the quarterback position has. And you might say, hey, it's the most important position in all of sports. That may be the case, but there's still a defense. There's still all these other variables and pieces and people around you that it takes in order for you to be able to win. It's the ultimate team sport. Nothing else is even close in my mind. So because of that, I think the power of winning a championship and all the people that it impacts, your teammates, that coaches, everything else to make it come together and make it work, is that much more powerful than just winning that MVP because there's no one else that can share it with you, Like, yeah, you can have guys that say many you guys, help me win this Player of the Year and you help me win this MVP aboard. That's great, but it's not impacting them the same. They're not going to a super Bowl with their family one day when they have kids and say, yes, son, I remember when we came here and we won, Like that's where this ring comes from. They're not sharing in that, Like those guys who are on Camp's team that year don't have a ring that they're showing and saying, yeah, remember when Cam will that MVP, Like, here's my MVP ring from, you know, saying so. I think the difference is and this is where I think there's a difference in how people talk about leadership. Leadership some people would just say if it's doing the right thing right saying doing the right thing, But there's an element of accountability too. It's being the type of person that's gonna be able to bring people along with you in that success and hold them accountable for doing their job too, Like doing your job is just not enough. I know it's a phrase that people throw around a lot, but I think the best teams have players who forced guys to come along with them, and then that there's kind of shared success in those championships. But if you're doing your job the best your ability and you're doing it so high that you win MVP, great, But ultimately, like I don't think there's many players or many guys, let's just put it this way who've won MVP that wouldn't trade that for a super Bowl or for another super Bowl. DA had one one. I'll just put it that way. That's a very unique take. And I think some people probably look back at that at that play in the Super Bowl when there was the fumble and he kind of didn't really go for it, and they're like, well, yeah, kind of makes sense.
I don't know, I don't get that deep with it in terms of him not going for the fumble. I mean, I didn't like that you didn't go for it, But that man did what I felt was like humanly possible to win for that team, especially the things he accomplished that year. I just I just look at it again, if I am going to be the best teammate, I've got to get myself up in the morning. That starts with me. I have to get myself out of the bed. I gotta get myself to the facility. That starts with me, I have to put in the work in the time to study the plays and know the playbook and know what I need to do. That starts and ends with me. The only way we can be great together and when is if all the individuals on the team, knowing that they're individuals, bring the best them. You got to bring the best you. You got to be the best you that you can possibly be. And I if you're going to be measured and judged in a way where they say, all right, you were the best of the best, of being measured to the standard of what is the best that comes to the table in terms of becoming an MVP, I just I again, I don't think that there should be an either or for one. I know it was an either or question. I don't think that you should have to give away the idea or the understanding that being the best you that you can be and being recognized for that. I feel like that's ultimately going to lead to all those things you just explained. Like for me, I don't like we never won a national title in college. I'm super close with my teammates. We're super tight. I made it into the pro I mean into the College Hall of fame, and even when I went to the Pro Bowls and in the league, like we're all going like let's go linebackers, We're going whatever whatever it may be, We're going. I know for certain that it's my effort and my accountability to my teammates that's going to get me up every morning, that's going to have me run in that wind sprint as hard as I possibly can. It's not to get the personal award. It's to be the best teammate that I can possibly be because I want us to win. If that leads to me becoming a pro bowler, if it leads to me being a Defensive Player of the Year or anything like that, where I an award that recognizes my effort, then I'm not one again.
I'm not.
I'm not going to sit here and say I want to. I would want the championship. But at the end of the day, if if I got a personal award because of my effort, my effort being being seen and being being you know, recognized, that way, I'm not going to have a problem with it either. So for him to say he'd rather have it, I don't have a problem. I don't have an issue with his his mind or his reasoning behind wanting it.
One of the examples he gave were quarterbacks, you know, like Nick Foles, quarterbacks like Trent Dilfer, you know.
And there was another one.
Brad Johnson was the other quarterback that he gave, like, would I rather, you know, trade my career with them? They won super Bowls but never won an MVP. And I'm curious would he feel the same trading a career with Matt Stafford because Stafford never won an MVP, but he's got a Super Bowl Or Drew Brees.
Never want an MVP.
Those are better quarterbacks than it the ones he gave it.
But my point would be they don't have the MVP, So would you trade your career for theirs? Which is a bigger picture question. But I don't know how anybody And Cam Newton's fantastic, but I don't know how you could look at the career of Cam Newton and a Drew Brees or Matt Stafford and say he had a better run than they did. So in totality, I just I think this. And furthermore, if they win that Super Bowl in twenty sixteen and they beat Denver, Cam Newton's probably a Hall of Famer, right, I mean, he's got both with him.
It's just kind of an interesting retrospective on it. You know what I wonder.
I wonder if his perspective too, comes from like do you remember at Auburn they won the national championship, he won the Heisman Trophy, and I think he played on that team that you can go back and research this, but they didn't have many draft picks. They might have had like one or two, maybe three on that team, and it was one of those championships, some one of those runs where you're like, this guy was so dominant that he was superman. He was the entire team. And so like there's elements of like he's kind of been that right where he won that Player of the Year, where he won that national championship and displayed all of that, and so again, maybe that impacts his perspective of when he got in the NFL. And I think, and the hard thing is when you get in the NFL, is even as good as he was in that MVP season, it still wasn't enough to be able to win a championship. And I think if had he phrased it and said, like here's the tough thing about answering that question is.
Where you're going is correct if you're going we had an amazing team.
But the problem is, even at my best, I wasn't lucky enough to be in an organization or a part of a team that we had enough to be able to win it all. And that's the reality for I think a lot of guys. I mean, think about the Green Bay Packers teams. There are Rogers has been the MVP, and they make a run, but they get you know, they get stop by the San Francisco forty nine ers. You know, there's there's those years where it's like, despite the act of like him play at the high level, it's still not enough. And I think that's more of the perspective that I thought he was going to lean into when he answered it that yeah, I wouldn't trade it, because I feel like from my standpoint, like I've been there as the best player and won a championship, and I realized at the next level that it's not enough to be even the best in the league. You still have to have peace and help around you. And so I think again that's why I go back to what I initially said, it's the ultimate team sport, and I think being able to share more in that and you go back to Penn State all the time, Yeah, I mean, and you were the defensive player of the year, like when you finished there, like you were that guy.
But the difference is.
If you would I would trade it one hundred times out of one hundred times to have had it exactly.
Because because you know what they'd be saying hendon to twenty twenty five, like, hey, James Franklin, Penn State. They just got Jim Knowles, they got Christian Aller coming back, the running backs are back the hole. Everyone besides the number one overall pick, probably an Abdul Carter is coming back to try to go all in to win one, and it'd be the first time since LeVar Arrington was here win won one. Like that's what they'd be said. Every time you'd go back, they'd remind you of that, And so that's I don't know. Again, I would have answered it differently, But I also think the way he went about answering it didn't probably fully portray like the difficulty of to just winning games in the NFL and getting the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl. And I think it more talks about too, like what the Chiefs are attempting to do is ridiculous. I mean, really, what Patrick Mahomes and this team and Andy Ry have done since he started and taking over is ridiculous. To that much sustained success where all you know is that minimum the AFC Championship game.
If what five or six you said in the Super Bowl, Yeah, yeah, for what is worth.
If the Carolina Panthers were on the trajectory that the Chiefs are on right now, Cam Newton would have been the catalyst of it. Like you guys said, whether we say Drew Brees or not, you know, in terms of MVP or whatever it may be, Drew Brees was the catalyst of how good that that Saints team was. Then you're going to be recognized that way, even if you won a Super Bowl or you did it. If they're on that trajectory, Cam Newton would have been spoken of and in the same terms that we're speaking of Patrick Mahomes. So either with the MVP award or without it, he would have been spoken up in the same exact manner, in the same exact manner. So, I mean, you got the award and you get to stand on the fact that you had the award. But at the end of the day, I would I would rather be able to stand there with knowing that I was a key part of it. I'm one of the key reasons why we won it all.
But I would I would rather that Cam Newton's numbers at Auburn that year, just looking at him again, Oh, stagger bro Like, over twenty hundred yards passing thirty touchdowns.
Bros, He's a unicorn.
Another almost fifteen hundred yards rushing and twenty touchdowns. The guy had fifty one touchdowns that year.
Because it was.
The greatest season. It was the greatest single season in college football history until Joe Burrows season. For all that's believable that that's the reality is he had the greatest single season ever in college football history. And people can challenge that all they want. When you think of who is playing around him, what they went through in the sec to win it, and how dominant he was. It was the greatest single season ever in college football history until Burrow, who I think unseated him, and mostly because of the path that they went on. But even his stats were ungodly. I'm just ridiculous. What he did animals in twenty.
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I didn't get any of this year. I actually they usually have him in the hotel and I didn't go to the team hotel where they're all stank, So none for me, thankfully.
So you didn't You didn't do your job, Mike.
Is that what you're saying, Ryan, Ryan Wilson, Rick Stielman Over here at TVs, they were the ones interviewing the players. That was I was getting to sleep in there, all right.
So let me ask you this before we get into this specifics player upon play position group that you've been the most impressed with thus far.
That's a good question. I think the tight ends down there in Mobile there's probably a handful of guys that I see going on day two of that class, maybe as much as four that were down there, Which is I mean for a tight end class down seat, Well, that's a lot. So I mean there are other classes that are going to have first rounders, Like it was a pretty deep defensive line class as well. There's probably gonna be a handful of guys going the round one by that class, but tight ends Like I think this is the year where you can find a lot of starters.
On Day two of the draft, Mike, I want to ask you about the quarterback class. There's been a lot of talk of maybe some teams looking at twenty twenty six and especially coming off of that twenty twenty four class where we had so many guys go in the top what twelve or whatever it was, How would you rate this year's class and how would you order these guys?
Yeah, I mean, if he's compared to last year, there's at least four guys that I would put above anyone in this class. It's probably talked about there may be as many as six, Like all six of the first rounders last year they have higher grades on than anyone in this class. So from that perspective, it's weak. But then like you look at Lash's class and all six kind of look good, right, Like, there's no none of the first rounder is really crashed and burned out of the gate, So maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. So it's not super deep to me, it's a three man class. In my opinion, it's cam Ward, it's Shadure Standers, and it's Jackson Dark. I was talking to Rick Spielman yesterday, former GM Minnesota Viking. He said he thinks Jackson Dart's going to be a first rounder after his week in Mobile. Now I'm not willing to go that far, but I do think he's the most intriguing option if I'm taking a swing somewhere on day two in this quarterback class. After those three everyone else is like, I see just back up or intriguing project that you're gonna have to wait three or four years for them to ever come along. So I think it's a real thin class and lacking of top end talent, but it's not as bad as twenty twenty two, right where Keeddye Pickett that class whereas only one first rounder. It's not completely rest of talent, but it's definitely a down year at a position.
Does Dark remind you of bo Nix a little bit? That's kind of what I see watching, and that's why I think you will end up going in the.
First round a little I mean body type wise, arm wise, the way they throw. I think there's a lot of comparisons to be made there. I thought Bow was just a much quicker processor with Dart. I wasn't a huge fan coming into this year. You watch the ole Miss offense, and it is comical with what Lane Kiffin's doing there. From like a NFL projectable standpoint, it's not even like half field Greeds. It's like one man read. They're just reading like a defender and he's making a decision off of that, which that's fine, but you don't really know what that guy's going to look like in the NFL. So I thought that's why his Senior Bowl is so big from and him looking like the best quarterback down there, that's why you're getting you know, Rich Spielman saying he wouldn't be surprised and he goes in the first round. But I thought his ball placement was much much better this year. And I think he's a little bit underrated of an athlete. You know, obviously he's white, so that's always going to be an underrated trait for actually, but.
Geez, wow, that comment, well he's correct, he isn't lying. Uh Mike, let me let me ask you this. You just sat there and you said improved his draft status this week, I wonder and knowing that obviously the the combines and personal workouts will come come in you know, later weeks. Does this when when you when you see them, you know, participate. How important is it because you know guys are opting out of playing in the Senior Bowls based upon you know, going deep into the playoffs. Do you lose any traction by not participating on the even Shador he's not participating in the Senior Bowl. He's he's there, but he's not participating. Do you see this playing any type of role in maybe not helping or hurting their their chances of improving their draft stock going into the draft.
I think it's very important for specific players. So for Dark specifically, obviously question mark is that offense that Ole Miss does. He looked like in a pro style offense doing what he's going to be doing in the NFL, and so he goes down to the Seager Bowl and all of a sudden that's what he's dropped into and has to operate in that. So then looking good in a completely different offense, that's big for his stock. Now with shadu Ura, you know he's played four years of football. I don't think that's the question mark with him is how he's going to operate, you know, an NFL caliber offense with what he did at Colorado, So I don't think it's as important for him. But then you have other guys like Gray Zabel, who's like a North Dakota State offensive lineman who's switching from tackle to guard or center in the NFL. This is huge for him because he's never played in tier off of the line before, he's never played NFL caliber talent before. That guy made himself a ton of money this week with his performance on the football field. But other guys who are like already first rounders, already top fifteen picks, played in the SEC. Maybe you talk about some of these Ohio State guys that have played the top competition. It's meaningless. For those guys, you know them, going to Senior Bowl is really just to get exposure to coaches and GMS and interviews that they wouldn't otherwise get. So it's really case by case basis. But basically for guys who need something, need a box to tick that they haven't necessarily ticked on their collegiate film, right.
Mike Ennerd joining us here on the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, CBS Sports, NFL and Draft analysts. He is at the Senior Bowl there and Mobile. We've talked a lot about, obviously, you know, the age of the players coming out of college with you know, the red shirts and extra years and COVID years and all that stuff.
They get older and older.
Have you noticed in talking with people there any issues or concerns about the development of some of these players as far as transferring from school to school, being able to opt out and go from place to place. Has there been a disconnect from when they arrive in Alabama getting ready for the draft.
Yeah. I know the guys who are like starting their career at Georgia then go into USC and then the Penn State. Those guys have like a red flag. Those are the ones that scouts are like, Okay, we got to do some homework on this guy. No one likes that guy. But I do think from a just a developmental standpoint, it's good that you get guys from lower levels of collegiate football. They get to now play in the SEC after two years improving themselves. Like, you get a lot of guys who you know, you're looking at guys in this class who you know, started at like a Charlotte and then they transferred up and now they're playing against the best competition. So I think it's helpful for a lot of those. It's more helpful than not. But it definitely it kind of exposes the red flag guys before they get to the NFL, the guys who are just bouncing in the wins, taking whoever is the highest bidder for three straight years. Those are guys who don't necessarily want on your football team. So I think it actually is helping evaluations, guys staying longer, really getting to know who they are and getting to develop at the competition level that they should be developing at before they have to make that biglie to the NFL. So, if anything, I do think for an NFL evaluators, these are, uh, you know, you're actually getting better e valves on these guys because of NIL and transfer portal being a thing.
Mike, I'm not sure if you know this. We actually have Pete Prisco on for a weekly on our show, and for folks who out there don't know, you get to work with Pete Prisco. So my first question is, how would you describe Pete Prisco.
Stout, portly, not physical.
I'm not asking for your scouting impression of his bills. Personality character personality, I'm.
Going arm lengths first. I'm going bodies just scouted me to that. I mean, he's so a lot of people think he's angry, and he's definitely like a little angry, but he's more just like he is unafraid to say his feelings, and lot times his feelings trend negatively, but he's uh back down from a challenge and okay, more than happy to face it. So yeah, that's okay.
So here's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna ask you a question and I want you to answer like Pete Prisco, who has been the worst player, who had the worst week at the Senior pol this week, that you're like, my god, that was awful.
Oh gosh. Okay. There is a quarterback from Canada named Taylor Elgerisma hadn't watched him going in, but like, I can't remember what school he was from exactly, but the guy just was not ready for the seeable competition. Unfortunately, he had himself a pretty tough week. Try to think the cornerback group down there too. I don't want to name too many names.
Hers Shallow had a rough time.
Also, I didn't get to see Shiloh at the seabol He actually wasn't on the field when I was there at the trible excuse me what he was there, So I didn't get to see him there. But uh, yeah, the wide receiver dB one on ones are not really set up for corners to look good, and this wasn't a great wide receiver class, so there weren't a lot of corners to right home about.
Unfortunately, the Seabowl, you named one Canadian guy. You can't name one other like mainstream guy that you're like. He was projected high, but he didn't have a great week.
Okay. Dion Walker, the Kentucky defensive tackle, who he's huge, right six foot he's the tallest defensive tackle, like since they started recording that stuff in the database in two thousand six seven and a quarter. He's got a weird build. He couldn't even fill out his pants because I don't think that they camp that long. But then also because like he has like these spindly legs, unfortunately for a guy that side, so he's really top heavy. He's like this refrigerator on top of stool two stool pegs, Like he can't play low enough on the interior, so he had reps that are good on the edge, like going up against tackles. But I just struggled to see what he's going to do at the NFL level, Like that's the guy that he can move so well, I'd consider he's still twenty years old. I consider asking him if you want to play off, that's a build that could play it off in tackle. That's just going to struggle to hold up against double team in the NFL, against like guards and centers.
Mike, do you have a before we let you go? Do you have like a sneaky one to look out for somebody that you think, based upon what you've watched, could be, uh maybe a second, third, fourth round pick that could be a potential star in the NFL. Somebody that's your favorite.
I love is David Walker from Central Arkansas. He's six foot to sixty seven and he's an edge rusher who if you tried once he goes to the bull rush. I didn't see a single person even come close stopping him this week. I mean that he said six foot, six foot sixty built, like I mean the guy over there, explosive off the line of scrimmage and just plays with a tenacity that I mean. I guess that he dumped bull rush five times in the one on ones and like every single time the tackle was running backwards. He's just the guy that that's no one you talk to eddy off tackle around the NFL. Those are the guys they do not want to block, the guys who literally you can't not get leverage on them if you tried because they're built so low to the earth. So he's the guy that you know, Central Arkansas. The tape was insane, but it's also low level competition. So see him do it against guys who will plead in the NFL next year. Yeah, I felt pretty good about that.
But he blew up that organ tackle, right. Was that one of the highlights that went around social media?
No, that was Mike Green the Marshall used to see, he's going to be he may be very well the highest drafted guy there. He had a great week in two days when he was there.
Sure it is h Mike Renner, good stuff, man, Thanks so much for doing it. Also your breakdown and the specs on p Prisko. We can't wait to play that forim at the super Bowl Ne Orleans next week. So there he is, Mike read.
What we call Bortley.
Stout. Yeah, I mean he's in Scout mode there
