Best of The Herd

Published Jan 14, 2025, 8:43 PM

Colin analyzes the Rams dominating win over the Vikings in the final game of the Wild Card Round and why Sean McVay has established himself as the 2nd best coach in the league after Andy Reid. He gives his latest Herd Hierarchy with a surprise team landing in the top spot. Plus, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to provide insight on Deion Sanders leaving Colorado to coach the Dallas Cowboys

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Here we go. It is a Tuesday. What a week we had last week? Not slowing down live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We are packed today. Zach Ertz Nick right, Michael urbanstops by j maacch it. We all know Andy Reid's the best coach in the league. But what Sean mcvah did last night, Wow, that was a flex. Hope you followed me on the Rams. I did follow you on the Rams, my friend, you talked me into it. Dinner is on me. So let's start today's show, The Easy Show, to do the Easy One. I'm not into easy is Sam Donald stinks? No, he doesn't. He's closer to Baker Mayfield than Patrick Mahomes. He doesn't stink. You don't do what he did this year in stink. If you look at the stats last night, first downs, oh Rams had fewer than Minnesota passing, first downs, Minnesota third down efficiency, Vikings way better, total plays, rushing penalties, Vikings only had two. Rams had actually ten time of possession Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, Vikings. What I watched was a coaching clinic. Brian Flores, who's really good, got worked. The Rams first drive was seven plays, seventy yards touchdown. As Greg Cosell noted, the Rams D line was going to be a problem for the Vikings O line. Kevin O'Connell going for at midfield minute thirty left in the first half. I thought felt desperate. This game was over at half. It was twenty four to three. You could argue it was over midway through the second quarter. All on coaching. The Rams put on a clinic. Brian Flores is great. First play of the game, twenty five yards. They're already in field goal position to Poka Nakouah. The common theme this weekend is young quarterbacks that fell behind lost. You know, justin Herbert lost and Sam Darnold lost and Jordan Love lost and the only one that won was Jayden Daniels and he needed a doink. What I watched last night McVeigh proving once again, since Sean McVay arrived in Los Angeles, only the Kansas City Chiefs have more playoff wins. And he did it with a run team with Todd Gurley, a run scheme, and then he did it with Cooper Cup and now he's doing it with an older Matt Stafford and Pooka Nakuah, and he's actually doing it with defense. This Rams defense, the rookies. The Rams have lead fell in rookie sacks, rookie fumble recoveries, rookie pressures. The Rams do not miss on defensive draft picks. They've missed on a couple offensive draft picks. But I'm wat take Andy Reid out. If you're talking leadership, game management, play design, culture building, it is almost unfair what the Rams have in Sean McVay. I mean, Phil Jackson's an all time coach, but Phil Jackson was very clear, I coach superstars. You guys do the rebuilds. McVeigh can do rebuilds, he can do young stars. He can build a defense. He can go run first, he can go pass happy. It doesn't matter. You give him an off season. He'll rebuild a team. He'll rebuild the Schememember a couple years ago, he went to Seattle for the opener in a rebuild year. Pete Carroll didn't know what he was watching. I mean, they literally came in with a completely different schemed run game. And I'm looking at some of these Rams defensive stats since Week fifteen, including the playoffs. The Rams lead the entire NFL in sacks, and I don't know if they can beat Philadelphia, but they match up with Philadelphia and they are a different team than the one that played Philadelphia earlier this year. I said this for the last three weeks, this young defense, about every three weeks you look up and they're noticeably better. And I mean the starters have only played four games. The last four games the starters defensively have played for the Rams, they've allowed under ten points in all four games. So there's only a handful of quarterbacks that can beat the Rams, and Sam Darnold with this offensive line, is not one of them. But we love to bury losers. I mean, that's what media does right, you're a loser. We bury you. I didn't think this game was about the Vikings. I thought it was about a staff in Brian Flores and Kevin O'Connell that we felt all year was an elite staff. Four drives into that game, three drives into that game. It was a coaching this match. The Vikings could not protect Darnald, who's always held to the too long for the record. So did Big Band, and so did Joe Burrow, so did Andrew Loock. Some guys like to hold it a second longer because they're big play guys. They like to throw the ball down the field. Not Dincon Duncan. But Sam didn't have a great night. But Josh Allen could win that game with that protection. Lamar Jackson Maholmes could win that game. Sam Darnold's not going to But I said this weekend, we love to bury the losers. I didn't blame the Packers for losing. I said yesterday on the show, they're not as good as Philadelphia. They're too young. Green Bay wasn't gonna win that game in Philadelphia. It was the one game I said going into the weekend, my favorite bet was take Philadelphia they don't even have to play well, and they didn't and they can win. To me, this game was about Sean McVay. I mean, think about this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a very good coach, and I think that eight years, four times under five hundred and he is very reliant and Shanahan's good. He is really reliant on Christian McCaffrey. Mcveigh's on nobody. Oh, Jared Goff, now I got rid of him. Matt Stafford, don't go run heavy. He's proven he can win and proven he can get to a super Bowl. So he's not reliant on any one thing. You give Sean McVay an offseason or an extra week like Andy Reid, and it feels like a coaching mismatch against a Viking staff that I think is one of the best staffs in the league. The gap in preparation, the gap in game planning in the first two to three drives of that game was insane. Again, Barry Darnald Donald's closer to Bakerfield. Baker Mayfield, Okay, he had a great year. They're gonna move on. They're gonna go to JJ McCarthy. That's the NFL. If you have a bad couple of weeks at the end of the year, coaches get fired, quarterbacks get demoted, people hit the free agent market. That's always been the NFL. You only have so many games. They're scarcity. It's not the NBA or hockey or baseball. You're gonna have bad julyes and you're gonna be okay if you're hitting in August, September, in October. That's not the NFL. You have a couple of bad weeks, people move off you. But I McVeigh was symphonic last night and numbers a game earlier this year. Remember this game, Jmac when they played the Buffalo Bills, And I came on the following day and I said, I think that was the perfectly coached played game. The best coach played game ball by any team all year was the Rams beating Buffalo. They were as flawless as you can be against the great team that first half. Nobody including the Chiefs, would have beaten the Rams in the first half last night. I don't know how you coached better or played better, or considering what's going on in southern California, how you're more focused here. Sean mcvayh after I thought.

We had a great rush plan, and I thought, ultimately it's always about the players bringing it to life and having a real understanding of what we were trying to get done, what was the intent. They have really played excellent football as of late. They're peaking at the right time. They're not showing any of that youth that you would think, you know, as you play your eighteenth game in the you know, in this season.

But I'm proud of them.

They came through in a big way and they were instrumental in us being able to advance.

Yeah, game was over by the fourth series. Let's talk Sam Donald and I know what you're all saying, Colling, you love Sam Donald. I do, but I kept saying all year, when's the shoe gonna drop? I know Sam's reckless. I watched them in college, I watched them in the pros. But he was having like an MVP level season. And it happens. We've seen quarterbacks like this, Ken O'Brien, rich Gannon, whatever it is. Guys have unbelievable, remarkable seasons, but the truth always comes out. Sam Donald actually had a very Dak Prescott like season, won a lot of games. Everybody likes him, players rally around him, coaches love coaching him. Wins a lot of games, and then he faces elite competition and it doesn't look the same. So Sam Donald was zero to four against the Rams and the Lions, and he was eleven to zero against everybody else. And the good news for Sam Donald is most everybody in the league is everybody else. There is one Sean mcvahan Stafford. There is one Detroit Lion offensive line. So Sam Darnald, like Dak Prescott, you put up an eighty eight mile hour fastball, He's going to hit it out of the park. He's got trouble hitting Kershawn his Primes curveball. He's not gonna beat the great teams unless he's got really good protection, a perfect game plan. So ninety percent of the league isn't this Rams team or the Lions, or the Bills or Patrick Mahome. The key is, then don't pay him like Josh Allen. Tampa got it right. They paid Baker the contract that Sam should now get. The Cowboys screwed it up. They paid Dak the contract because I think that Dak Baker and Sam is kind of the same guy. Productive players like him, you can build a little bit around them, but they're reckless, a little bit sloppy. They're not going to elevate the team as much as the team is going to protect them. But they can make plays. But the key is Tampa and the next team that pays Donald can't them like Mahomes. And that's what the Cowboys did. They got a Baker and a Donald and they paid him like Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. So they're gonna go now with JJ McCarthy and they're gonna give the young kid a shot. And Sam is absolutely gonna have a market. I don't know where he's gonna go, but Baker Mayfield had a market, held Gino Smith at a market. Old Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins had a market. But Sam season, let's not take away from it. It was remarkable. It was a great season. It was a fun season. This team was picked to finish fourth, and I don't put it all on Sam. Last night, young quarterbacks Jordan love Sam Donald, Justin Herbert still pretty young, that fell behind or could not get protect Texans. I mean the Chargers couldn't protect Justin Herbert, the Vikings couldn't protect Sam Darnold. Baker Mayfield should have won that game. But you know, Jayden Daniels is remarkable. This is what happens in the playoff. Jordan Love got behind, got a little reckless trying to make plays. There is no tomorrow. So Sam's gonna be fine. He deserves a Baker Mayfield contract. You can kind of build around him, but that's not confuse it for what it is. And here's Kevin O'Connell after what.

He was able to do this year when not very many people thought he would be able to lead a team to fourteen wins. I'm very rare for a quarterback in their first year. And I think Sam would be the first one to tell you could he have played better tonight? I'm sure he would tell you that he could have. Could I have coached better? I promise you I could have. Could our team have rallied around, you know, a play here or there to try to keep that thing competitive?

For sure?

And I you know, I said Sam Darnold. He was zero and four against the Rams and the Lions, but he was actually like fourteen to zero against everybody else. Sam was perfect except against the great teams. And you know who beats the great teams. Not many quarterbacks four maybe in the league. I mean, as good as Stafford and McVeigh are, They're gonna go to Philadelphia be an underdog, probably not play as perfectly as they did last night. Philadelphia played poorly, so everybody now is doubting them. Yet they played poorly and being a good packer team. So Philadelphia now go stays home cold Weather Rams play a perfect game. It is hard to beat great in this league. And Sam faced great last night. A great pass rush, a great young defense, a great coach, great efficiency. Bye, Matt Stafford, Sam's not gonna beat that without online all right, j Mack. Cowboys may have a coach and it's and it's from the college ranks.

Stop it.

You can't even say it with a straight face. But in all seriousness, for Darnald, everybody going on to pile on him last night on social media, I thought it was a little excessive. All of a sudden, he was an MVP candidate for what fifteen weeks, and now he's a total bum who's not going to get paid by anybody. He's still gonna have a market in the off season.

Of course.

It's like people just don't understand football or front offices.

Kurt Adoss, Kirk Cousins, who's not nearly as dynamic as Sam, doesn't have Sam's arm, doesn't have Sam's playmaking, was older and coming off of surgery, had a market. In fact, even his cousins this year looked washed. I think you and I have said this. He still has a market. Aaron Rodgers is not close to what he was six years ago. His season was a disaster. Aaron Rodgers has a market. The key is front offices have to pay the right number. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers got it right with Baker. It doesn't limit what they can do. The Cowboys didn't. They paid Dak and Dak and Baker. I think Baker's more talented than Dak. They're very close. I mean, Baker's more reckless, but a little bit more talented. Dak is less reckless, but he's got a lower ceiling. One got paid like Mahomes and one got paid like a B to B plus quarterback. So Donald's in that B to B plus stuff. If he gets some support, you can't pay him like an A. Now, we thought for a big chunk of the season, like Week ten through Week sixteen, were like, you gotta pay. But this is how the NFL works. Because of the scarcity of games and because there's one game a week and in the playoffs their standalone games. There's a lot of pressure from owners and executives. You gotta hit it in the big games.

Now, I will say I believe in brock Purty a lot.

I like him.

You know that I'm team brock Party Colin. If he holds firm, I want sixty million.

I'm not.

I would take Sam.

Donald at thirty million over brock Purty six. I'm sorry, I would and forty nine ers fins. You tell them that and they're like.

You're out of your mind. Rock Party.

I don't think they grasped like double the He's not double the player Sam Donald is.

He's not.

Yeah.

You have to remember you can overpay a right tackle, you can overpay a linebacker, but when you're over paying a quarterback and he is gobbling up twenty one percent of your salary cap. There are certain things in life that you can't make a mistake. On the day to day all of us make mistakes. I make fifteen a day. But there are certain things, like the safety of your children, that you can't make a mistake on and like in the NFL, not perfectly analogous, but you can make mistakes on a slot corner and overpaying him. It's not going to destroy your salary cap. You cannot make a mistake at quarterback. It's just there's too much money involved, that's too big of a cap percentage.

And I'll remind people Sam Donald won fourteen games with the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell. You don't think he can duplicate that or come close to it with Kyleseyna.

I mean, I mean, I will say this, Sam Darnold to the Raiders, if the Raiders got an offensive coach and Johnson, I think he would be very, very interesting.

But you know it's like with Shane Steichen. Maybe does that do anything for you? If Anthony Richardson's not their guy?

And oh, I I'll just tell you right now. I'll tell you right now. Sam Darnold to the Colts is the play Vikings don't want to face Sam again and roll the dice on. He's better than McCarthy. Get Sam to the AFC where you don't have to play him. JJ McCarthy may be better. I would rather Sam not prove me wrong. So if you can always get a guy, Belichick will give up Garoppolo. Let's just send him over to San Francisco. I always understand that even if you don't love a guy, if you think there's a little bit in the back of our head because they don't know what JJ McCarthy is, you don't know what he is.

You're the only ones who have a clue. Though they see him every day. They do the work ethic.

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App heard Hierarchy time.

Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College Number TAD.

Cincinnati Bengals. Sorry, they beat the Broncos and the Pittsburgh Steelers that made the playoffs, and they beat the breaks off of Green Bay. Right now, they're a good football team. Joe Burrow is on fire five game winning streak. He completed seventy seven percent of his throws, thirteen tds, four picks, and a one to eleven passer rating. That's just sometimes the way it works. You get hot too late. Cincinnati is a top ten team in the league. Let me tell you who Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore didn't want to make the playoffs. Cincinnati they were fine with bow Knicks. They were fine with Justin Herbert, CJ. Stroud and don't want bow Nicks anywhere near the playoffs. Cincinnati at ten, number nine, Minnesota, Yeah they listen. They're like a really good student who got a D in their last couple of test scores doesn't make him a bad student. Top ten scoring offense, top five defense. They got out coached last night, and they're not as good as Detroit and frankly, the Rams Young defense is a site to behold. But I have the Vikings at nine, number eight, the inconsistent Houston Texans. Now they're only two and five against playoff teams and they're going to go to Kansas City. It's going to be cold and they're gonna get smoked. They're nine to zero when holding opponents to twenty points or fewer. In Kansas City's getting better on offense, so that's not gonna happen. I think there's still a year away. I think Denver's a year away. I think Green Bay's a year away. I do think c J. Stroud's a different quarterback on the road than at home. We told you that going into the Chargers game, ce J Stroud cold weather on the road, their season will end Number seven Commanders, no punts or turnovers against the Bucks. I don't know if I like the team or I'm in love with Jayden Daniels. I mean the kids, just honest to God, there's about sixty percent Mahomes, sixty percent Lamar Jackson. It's the best rookie I've ever seen, next to Andrew Luck. Six game winning streak. Each of their last five games have been decided on the last play from scrimmage. You can't do that forever. That's just too emotional, too wild. I think they'll lose, but they deserve a ton of respect. How would you like to be Washington for the next ten years with Jayden Daniels in cap space? Sign me up now. Number six. Number six is the Rams played a perfect game in the first half last night, but they were not good on third down and their offense can be really sluggish in the first half. Listen, they're really good, not great, but they're fifteen and five when they have Stafford and Puka and Cup and Kyron Williams. Kiraen Williams got dinged up last night, cross your fingers, and they're seven to one. When they score twenty one plus their offense gets stuck though, and it happens kind of regularly where their offense gets stuck. But if you give mcveaig or Andy Reid extra time, good night. And I thought this this defense is no joke. In the first four weeks of the year, they had eight sacks at eight sacks last night. This defense is Jared Verse is unblockable. This kid right here jumping into the end zone. So the Rams are a young defense that about every three weeks you look up and they're noticeably better. I have the Rams at number six, number five Philadelphia. I don't know if I don't think they can win the Super Bowl. Yes, they're thirteen. In one of the last fourteen games, they were two for eleven on third down. Jalen Hurts went nearly two full quarters without a completion, and I don't love the head coach. I do think they'll beat the Rams because the Rams played perfect and now go outdoors to cold weather and Philadelphia played poorly and still won. They have the best roster in the NFL. But I mean Saquon Barkley is the leader of this team. It's not the quarterback, it's not the coach. This is the one team to me, Like you can like Derrick Henry, but I get Lamar and John Harbaugh. Saquon Barkley leads this team. That's the guy in the old line that I trust. Number four, Listen, the Ravens are good. Boy. They are really dependent on Derrick Henry and Lamar and that would concern me. Three drives of eighty five plus yards. You know what I feel about Lamar Jackson.

Listen.

They're one in five against the Chiefs and they beat everybody else. So I don't think this team would beat Kansas City if they hadn't play him an arrowhead. I just don't think they would because I think Kansas City is better defensively and I think Baltimore is getting better on the defensive side. They held opponents under twenty points in five straight games. So that's what good coaching staffs do and good general managers do. Baltimore had a flaw, and they're now better at the flaw. Kansas City wasn't very good on offense early, and now Kansas City is better on offense. That's what good organizations do. So they've cleaned up the mess on defense. I have them there at what do I have the Ravens at four? Number three, Detroit Lions, second best roster in football off of by hosting the Commanders. They struggle against multile quarterbacks, which is not a good thing to struggle against. In twenty twenty five in the NFL, six and two against playoff teams, Dan Campbell has a culture of relentlessness. Guys play hurt. Jared Goff. For all you Jared Goff critics, this should be a calling was really right for the next ten years. Jared Goff on third and fourth down this year eighteen touchdowns, no picks. Best o line in football.

Number two, number what? Number two?

Number two Kansas City Listen, worst point differential in the history of the league for a team that's as good as them. I know they had to buy, and I know they'll be good, and I know they'll beat the brakes off of Houston. And they are getting stronger late with their musical chairs on the offensive line in Hollywood Brown And they are seven and two against current playoff teams and twenty one and two. But aesthetics matter and data matters. And my number one team in the league number on, it's Buffalo. There's never been a team in pro football that had thirty passing touchdowns and over thirty rushing touchdowns. Not only do they win at home, all but one home game was a blowout seven win by twenty points. I think this offense is incredible. Left tackle right now, the best remaining in the playoffs. Quarterback, most talented remaining in the playoffs, James Cook, Top five running back, two good tight ends, three capable receivers. They are not as good as Kansasity defensively, there is no question, and maybe they don't match up with Baltimore defensively, but this team right now is so good offensively, left tackle, quarterback, weapons, run game. I have them number one by an inch. I think this is the year. I think this is the best version of Buffalo. Hey, these are tough decisions, folks.

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And with that, one of our favorite guests, the playmaker Michael Irvin, the very well connected Michael Irvis, is joining us. So we've got things to talk about last night as we're getting ready for the game, Jerry makes sure Dion and the Cowboys makes the wire, makes the news. So let's talk about that. You have a relationship with Dion Sanders. He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he loves Colorado, the Cowboy hatt. He feels the part you told me a month and a half ago. He would listen listen to Jerry Jones. Yes, is he now listening more to Jerry Jones.

Well, you guys now know that he has.

He and Jerry has had conversations, which I am so happy now to put that out and the ether and you guys finding that out.

Yes, they are having conversations.

When I talked to Dion last night and this morning, when I was talking to him, he was real real, telling me real carefully.

Now listen, it's all we can talk about. It's all we can talk about. Is that. Yeah, It's all I just say is that they are talking.

I love when he tells me things like that, really be careful because that things.

That means things are moving in a.

Way that we can't just openly talk like we used to openly talk.

I can't get out here, run my mouth like I need to.

I want to you know what I'm saying, So I don't want to mess anything up, so I make sure I leave it right there. He said, that's all we can talk about right now that I've had conversations.

And that is mana from heaven. When he tells me that now, manna from heaven.

He had said a couple of years ago when asked about the NFL, he said, I'd have a hard time paying a guy money and he doesn't care because I care college kids. I know, you know, we'll cut him on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys. Well that hasn't changed.

No, no, But but what you do know though, is we talk about and we talk about Dion's great ways with young men. These are young men in the NFL. You know, we're in college, we consider to be kids, but these are still young men going through a lot of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this is what Dion separates from all of the exes that OWDs coaches because he is a true mentor. He's a true mentor that's coaching, and the other coaches are coaching and they're forced the mentor.

They're forced the mentor.

So when we talk about coaching, his job is to bring the best out of the player. These guys are making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the best out of Travis Hunter. And Travis Hunter had all kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about those things. He thought about bringing the best up out of him. He didn't take all the nil money.

He followed.

Dion went Deon w Jackson, and he went to then he went to Colorado and now he's living his best life. That's what Deon would do for all the NFL players too. Let's help you get to your best life. And it's not just about making money. It's about making the right decisions. It's about taking care of your family. It's about you and everything that you're doing. That's what he's great at and that'll bring the best football out of you.

Now, Deon's had a remarkable American life from from the fastest college player to a best cornerback of all time, to broadcaster a lot of spirituality in there, then to coaching small, bigger coaching. If he could end up Dallas Cowboys, it really is an amazing American life.

Now, I will say you say all of that, Colin, But but, and it is an amazing life. But it has been met with great wins against him in w I and d Wind. I mean, you know, people, it's not okay, he's a hell of an athlete. But everywhere this man goes, Now, everywhere this man goes. When he went to Jackson, it won't work out there. Oh no, he turned that around. Then went to Colorado. Oh boy, you'll see when you get the big town football it's different. Oh but he turned that around. And here we come again with the same doubt with Dion. Well what could he do in Dallas? I sell people everywhere this man has set his foot in the sand. He leaves a footprint of greatness. So Dallas needs to get on board with that, and I hope they do. I gotta I can't say much about that.

By the way, you have a relationship you and Aikman have a relationship with Jerry that is different than a lot of people. And can I ask Jerry who now does acting? He's pretty good on land man, Yes, he's pretty good showman. Do you has Jerry called you recently just to chat about this?

I talked with Jerry when we were at fight and we're somewhere else. So yeah, I was at his house. We had an event in its place. So yeah, we talked in the last couple of weeks.

Yeah, okay, all right, I look, let's talk about the future of Dallas.

Back up, let's back up too, all right, like Troy and I heard.

De Troy comments, and you know, I love Troy. I love Troy to death, and it's to life. I better say the lifeus. Deanna called me.

On that is it? Is it a coveted job?

That's what I want to talk.

I don't know if it is Philadelphia's roster Jayden Daniels ninety million cap space. I don't know if it's a coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado state.

We got to stop.

Stop.

Prove it to me easily, easily. How many how many coaches out here coaching?

Uh?

What a couple?

Hundred thousand co co coaching all the way, college, high school.

Hundred towns coaching.

Oh no, no, no, fifty thousand.

Max head coaches, they everything, even fifty thousand.

They're only thirty two jobs in the National Football and thirty to each one of those jobs going to pay you above knowing to somewhere six seven million dollars a year. How how do I fix this radio on my face to say something like what I say?

It like what he said? I love them?

But how do you fix the radio on your face to sing a song like It's not a covety job. It's the Dallas Cowboys. They're only thirty two of them in this.

Whole wide world.

And you're talking about a fifty thousand max. We're talking about nine United States that coach is all over the world that probably wants to come and coach if they knew how to coach nation the Football League. Let's stop saying stuff like this. Let's stop saying this is what you call it, purplely, it's the perfluous words that you're just throwing out here to sound like something, but it's not true. It has no truth to it. This is a coveny job. All thirty two of them are coveted jobs in this country and mostly probably in this world.

So that right there is not right to even say that.

Now the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team in the National Football League.

Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend. So what I'm gonna say right here.

Troy is my friend, a lot of friends, but I can't lie. I'm telling the truth.

I would say this Jerry is That's why he's so good on land Man. He's a performer, he loves the media. There are those in the NFL that say, well, you had Jimmy and Parcels and basically you ran them off. I think what Troy was saying is no, it's a job. But it does sort of feel like you got to answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio report. Doesn't that get in the way a little?

No? No, not if you're doing your job. I don't care what Jerry says. I'm winning football games. I'm doing my job. You could do what he say whatever you want.

Who cares.

I'm doing my job and this is what I'm saying. Guys, the owner talks. My issue is is that that why we so hard on Jerry because he talks and does radio interviews. What's the separation between Jerry and the Rooney's. What's the separation. I keep bringing this up and nobody tells me anything. I'm almost getting afraid to bring it up now because the Rooneys must have something on everybody. I don't know what's going on, but the Rooney's run all of the organization in Pittsburgh and and they haven't given Mike Tumblin what he wants. But we want to run Mike Tumblin out. But when it comes to the Cowboys, it's it's it's all Jerry's fault. Any failure or any not seed succeeding, it's all Jerry's fault.

Everywhere else is just the coach. It's in Pittsburgh, it's just a coach.

Nobody's put anything on the Rooneys in Pittsburgh, and they haven't found a quarterback in one hundred years one hundred.

But Jerry's different. He is a different owner. He does radio hits, he talks after the game's right, He's ah, how many owners would go on land Man and look like an actor?

But does that mean because Jerry's on an interview that is not a covenant job?

Can we take it that far?

Can we say that does that mean because Jerry's doing interview that he hasn't done a good job when he gave you twelve and five talent every year over the last three years. So come on, I don't mind you're not liking him. I don't mind, I don't want it. I understand all that a lot of people don't know him, but a lot of people don't like him, and that's why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man, let's look at the reality and measure the reality and stop having these crazy conversations about this is not a covenant job.

Okay, yes it is.

I'm gonna throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this. So years ago I went to a therapist. I don't do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.

The best thing will.

And so my wife and I were arguing about something and the therapist said to me, he goes, you have a different brain than your wife. She's an artist. You're more accountant. And we don't argue with this.

It's pretty good.

Said sees colors, you see shapes. So when you criticize her for this, she sees the world differently than you. And then uh. And so I shared this with my wife and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you. Get over it. The point being it didn't change the way I view I'm always thinking I see the world in squares and circles, she sees it and shades of lavender.

So AJ, you got to come to her and said, okay, when you say something, say okay, how did you how did you receive that's right?

How did you receive?

A Brown is reading a book on the sidelines that made you happy? Yeah, okay, See my brain works differently. Well, how what did you see?

Because AJ is me?

Me and AJ we are like I had to learn when I left football. Of course, some mistakes and the steps in football. So I said to myself, You're not canting any more touchdowns. Let's figure out we have some of the situations we have. You know, I gotta.

Figure this out.

And I was reading and trying to study and learn more about me brand upon this book. It's a great book called Edison Jean The Gift of the ad HG Child. And in this book they're talking about what A J.

Brown?

What AJ Brown was doing here. What he's doing is trying to calm what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime anyone in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if she's stressed in any way, Curtisol's released to the brain of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a flight of fight environment, because that's what before yes, moms, so so his reptilian brain kind of get a little stuck. He's more apt to fight than reason. Like me, I'm more after fight you you confront me, than reason with you. And it serves me great on the football field. But when I'm driving down the street and somebody says I have to figure out, I had to say, you know, the book could tell you. The book could tell you knowing that you're like this. It's seventy five percent of just it's how you Winny.

You see yourself and aj Brown.

Oh absolutely, oh absolutely. That's why when everybody said what are you doing here for? I said, man, it's totally focused. This is totally folks. I'm focused on my energy being good energy for the team, and I'm going to focus on me, and I know I can't let this situation take over me.

I understand it because he and I are the same.

Dude.

I understand what he was doing.

Right there, and I think all of us, a lot of receivers need to learn it and even do this right here what he's doing, because it really is brilliant.

They got through the game and.

He was out there joking when Saquon didn't go all the way and run, you know.

What I mean.

So he put him back in the right frame of mind. Even though we only got one pass. I don't know if the book could have helped me with one pass in the playoff game, but it helped.

Him out, and that's good. That's good. I don't know I would have been said, you know.

It's funny about that. I'll share something with the audience. I had lunch with rich Eisen a couple months ago and we were talking, that's my man too. Yeah, and I said, we we had great affection for you, and we said, you know, and you've had some missteps in life, haven't we. All Yours have been more public and uh and and our take was you're a curious person, You're great, you have great empathy. Uh and And we both shared kind of the same stories that we had such great feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff, you admit stuff. You're imperfect, but you're you're you, you always you always come back to Michael at your heart. And I think what you're saying now, you're addressing this with a j Brown. I love that you're saying, guys, this is me, and everybody learns differently, everything lands differently. That's the there I'm not. I don't want to board the audience, but now.

I can't take You can't take that side of me without realizing this is side of me, and I'm working on this side of me.

Let me get this book out and worked through me. You see what I mean. And that's just a difference.

Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night, and there are times you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players get an all time great coach. You had Jimmy Johnson, And I'm watching McVeigh last night. He's got Shanahan's brain, He's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel, he's got Andy Reid's play design, he's got Dan Campbell's ability to give you big alpha energy. I didn't see a game. I saw a little bit of a coaching mismatch last night. How is McVeigh viewed around the league?

And I'm with you on this.

I think McVey is an incredible coach, an incredible coach even the year they won that Super Bowl. To have that kind of talent on that team and not have any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That means he managed all of those personalities. Yeah, there's a lot of personal.

Now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in southern California around his facility.

And he puts it right in and used it. He uses it. He doesn't run away from it. He says to you guys, hey, let's give our people back home something to get away from the mess they're dealing with. Let's make some great ness out of that great mess, you know, and get let's get that. Let's try to ride this. Every team this time of the year tries to find that hook.

Yes, that hooks.

Them in, Like, that's why we always call it what gets the world?

Ain't nobody said nothing to what you mean. They just start saying that, you guys are undefeated right now, who's against you? But we always come up with these montres. You're looking for a hook, you're looking for the hook, and this disaster has given the Rams when and they played like it was a hook, like we're going to give these people some relief from what to what they've been dealing with. And they, boy, they they laid it out on the vikings last night with them nine sacks.

I mean they played well.

So when you were a cowboy, the coach and the quarterback were the centerpiece of the team and then you and Emmett were viewed as the weaponry. But it it's a very quarterback strong coach and quarterback personality. Philadelphia is interesting. I don't trust the coach. I think the center of the team is Saquon Barkley. I think the center of the team is the old line. And I don't know if you can win a super Bowl in twenty twenty five. And that's not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I like him, but he's not Lamar Mahomes statistically, he's not golf, he's not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket. What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the coach is yelling at fans, where the quarterback is kind of inconsistent? Can you win a super Bowl with that?

I love that analogy that you just laid out and how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about the solidness of this team, I think Jalen Hurts is a great leader, a great leader, but Saquon has brung something different.

It's totally different.

And let me tell you and us just talking about Jalen I mean Ajed Brown on the sideline reading a book, and then him in Devontae smith Man, why did.

You keep running with go go go with the ball?

I would have said, keep running, go down on the one yard line if you're going to go play right.

Why you love it? You know why you love it? Let me tell you why you love it. Let me tell you why I think you love it.

Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, hey.

I'm totally not selfish.

Any other running back would have gone and got the rest of those yards before he sat down, because that's part of the great season you've had.

You had a two thousand yard rushing season. You're gonna have one hundred and something.

Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be as a running back? The last guy in football you can hit from any angle. That Sakwan Barkley, who didn't play the last week and could have set the record, so you could have that animosity, you break free to seal it. And he is so in the moment that he said, no, it's about us, not me.

I gotta talk about that. Get in there.

The ability in the moment to go almost sit down right here. I was just like, Oh, that dude's that dude's going on thousand miles an hour right.

Now, Colin. Let me tell you how I saw it. I said, oh, wow, two things of that boy. That's great because I saw Davante and and and aj Brown.

What do you keep going? Keep going? Keep going?

So he's showing them something here, showing them Hey, man, it ain't even about them numbers.

It's about us getting the championship. And I love that part of it.

I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well, you know, there are things that could have happened.

I could have pulled the hamstrings up.

I said, oh god, it here because I want That's why I wanted him to get the record last week or the end of the week end of the season, because I wanted him to exercise that demon in his career.

What's been the demon in his career? It's been injuries.

And if you go past and said I'm going to get this record, I'm not going to let that demon make me afraid to go and get the record. I believe that demon also made him afraid to continue running.

Why he fell down.

Now he was gonna fall down on the one, but let's go get those other sixty yards.

He has to deal with that.

But the lesson he gave aj Brown and Devontae Smill, that was a great lesson. But he has to deal with that in his own mind. I'm so good at this people, That's what I do because it's real. These guys. I've dealt with it, and I had to study it because I had to calm my black butt down. I was crazy. You gotta study these things. Don't just study what you do. Go learn why you did it. Don't just hear what people say. Understand how they think. That's how you win in life.

Okay, when's the last time beyond? And you text each other? Could you give us the time on that this morning?

This morning, this morning? Yeah, of course, as much for.

The audience that just tuned in. He said to you, what, well.

I can only tell you so much and you can't be telling the world everything is what he said to me, and that's why I'm trying.

To find this line right here. But they are, but they are talking, and to me, that's heaven.

I'm in.

I'm enjoyed because I talked about this yesterday with.

With with Keishawn and Joy and of course Paul on speak and they were talking about, well, what's the.

Plan with Jerry.

Jerry was going in trying to make it work with Mike McCarthy, but they couldn't agree on the years. I said, oh, that's great, and so now before Jerry let you guys win and talk like he didn't have a plan, he'll go out. This'll make him go go and do something differently and more drastic because he I've heard him said many times, I've always come out on top when forced to do something or make a hard decision. It always worked out, and this time would be the same thing.

I really do believe that. So all of Mike McCarthy fall out.

And Jerry wanted them and didn't get him a push, this billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't have normally done, like a hire of Don Sanders or something like that. So I'm I'm excited to see what plays out. I'm gonna try to keep these these big old lips I got closed. Like Don asked, but it's a hard task. He understood it. He understood.

He know it's as.

Hard because because I'm excited too, So I gotta control myself.

Michael Irving the playmaker as always, my friend, and I.

Love you too, buddy, You're my mad I'm so happy right now, y'all because we're gonna have a good offseason.

It gives us hope again.

When I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any man getting fired, but just happy about new direction and what's happening and what's going to happen. Yeah, all right, we're about to be in prime time I mean football games.

You don't know what I mean. Let me leave that alone. I get in trouble

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