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Here we go. It is a Wednesday starting to perkla very exciting live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac. Sean Jackson, the former All Pro receiver funny Guy's gonna stop by our show today. I really liked Sean Jackson Nick right next hour top of it. I was going to start the show today and it was kind of negative. So I inserted a positive story as our second story because yesterday I kind of brought the hammer and that's not who I am. Just out of character thing for sure.

Here we go. It is a Wednesday starting to perkla very exciting live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac. Sean Jackson, the former All Pro receiver funny Guy's gonna stop by our show today. I really liked Sean Jackson Nick right next hour top of it. I was going to start the show today and it was kind of negative. So I inserted a positive story as our second story because yesterday I kind of brought the hammer and that's not who I am. Just out of character thing for sure.

By the way, I dropped something in your dressing room before the show, a major surprise.

By the way, I dropped something in your dressing room before the show, a major surprise.

Someone sent it to me.

Someone sent it to me.

I don't know if it's a fan or not, but I think you'll like it, so just something to look forward.

I don't know if it's a fan or not, but I think you'll like it, so just something to look forward.

Well, let's scurry through this first segment so I can go check it out. So sources This Morning Star receivers, Cdee Lamb says, I'm not showing up the Cowboy camp. Go ahead and find me. I think because of their scarcity of weapons, they just don't have much offensively right now. He's going to get his money in a new contract, and then I think by the end of the year they'll pony up the Brinks truck for Micah and Dak. Listen, the last eight seasons have been pretty good for the Cowboys, pretty good, better than most. Four division titles, five playoff appearances, a couple playoff wins in eight years isn't enough. But I think this season marks the slow, steady decline of the Cowboys, and you thought you'd seen the worst of it. Dak in his prime still probably late prime, will keep you irrelevant. He's a B plus quarterback. But they are going to and it'll start with Ceedee Lamb's contract get absurdly top heavy. That's why they couldn't spend any money. They're too top heavy. Now in free agency, there's two factors that really play into this steady decline. The NFC was weak and wide open for the last several years, and they couldn't take advantage of it. Now San Francisco, Detroit, and Philadelphia are loaded have much better rosters than the Cowboys. The Rams and the Packers have much better young talent. Atlanta with Kirk Cousins more good players Offensively in an offensive league, the Dallas and watch out because Chicago and Washington could both have star young quarterbacks on key contracts for the next four years. Is dak is making Mahomes money and limiting the Cowboys. I looked at their schedule this morning. There are four games they should be heavily favored, the Giants twice. Yeah, New Orleans and Carolina probably favored over Tampa two. But it's close. Outside of that, every other game is a coin flip and very losable, And in most instances in this offensive league, the teams they play have more good weapons. This is what happens when an eighty year year old man Jerry Jones. Eighty one year old man Jerry Jones sees himself as the general manager, and because he is front and center, he has leaned on very vanilla coaching. Parcels and Jimmy Johnson worked and they're gone. It's been Jason Garrett, it's been Mike McCarthy. Both capable, but in situational football moments did he trust either. So the schedule is tough. They're going to get absurdly top heavy. Ceedee Lamb probably wins this holdout. Their draft was graded as average. They're clearly rebuilding the offensive line. I'd call it uninspiring, and they didn't spend a nickel in free agency. This to me marks the beginning of a slow, steady decline for Dak's big money years, and I presume he'll sign a four year deal in the Patrick Mahomes range. Mark Sanchez yesterday sees the same issues.

Well, let's scurry through this first segment so I can go check it out. So sources This Morning Star receivers, Cdee Lamb says, I'm not showing up the Cowboy camp. Go ahead and find me. I think because of their scarcity of weapons, they just don't have much offensively right now. He's going to get his money in a new contract, and then I think by the end of the year they'll pony up the Brinks truck for Micah and Dak. Listen, the last eight seasons have been pretty good for the Cowboys, pretty good, better than most. Four division titles, five playoff appearances, a couple playoff wins in eight years isn't enough. But I think this season marks the slow, steady decline of the Cowboys, and you thought you'd seen the worst of it. Dak in his prime still probably late prime, will keep you irrelevant. He's a B plus quarterback. But they are going to and it'll start with Ceedee Lamb's contract get absurdly top heavy. That's why they couldn't spend any money. They're too top heavy. Now in free agency, there's two factors that really play into this steady decline. The NFC was weak and wide open for the last several years, and they couldn't take advantage of it. Now San Francisco, Detroit, and Philadelphia are loaded have much better rosters than the Cowboys. The Rams and the Packers have much better young talent. Atlanta with Kirk Cousins more good players Offensively in an offensive league, the Dallas and watch out because Chicago and Washington could both have star young quarterbacks on key contracts for the next four years. Is dak is making Mahomes money and limiting the Cowboys. I looked at their schedule this morning. There are four games they should be heavily favored, the Giants twice. Yeah, New Orleans and Carolina probably favored over Tampa two. But it's close. Outside of that, every other game is a coin flip and very losable, And in most instances in this offensive league, the teams they play have more good weapons. This is what happens when an eighty year year old man Jerry Jones. Eighty one year old man Jerry Jones sees himself as the general manager, and because he is front and center, he has leaned on very vanilla coaching. Parcels and Jimmy Johnson worked and they're gone. It's been Jason Garrett, it's been Mike McCarthy. Both capable, but in situational football moments did he trust either. So the schedule is tough. They're going to get absurdly top heavy. Ceedee Lamb probably wins this holdout. Their draft was graded as average. They're clearly rebuilding the offensive line. I'd call it uninspiring, and they didn't spend a nickel in free agency. This to me marks the beginning of a slow, steady decline for Dak's big money years, and I presume he'll sign a four year deal in the Patrick Mahomes range. Mark Sanchez yesterday sees the same issues.

Think about the difference between maybe Dak and the Cowboys his rookie year and the talent he had around him, the other explosive players. Who's going to help this team elevate suddenly? And where are the weapons? Who am I throwing to? Who's keeping the defensive coordinators up at night like dang, what are we gonna do about this guy? And that's you know, those are tough questions to ask going in to a season. You want to have those things shirt up. So I think the lack of depth is going to be tough and this is gonna be a lot on Dak's plate.

Think about the difference between maybe Dak and the Cowboys his rookie year and the talent he had around him, the other explosive players. Who's going to help this team elevate suddenly? And where are the weapons? Who am I throwing to? Who's keeping the defensive coordinators up at night like dang, what are we gonna do about this guy? And that's you know, those are tough questions to ask going in to a season. You want to have those things shirt up. So I think the lack of depth is going to be tough and this is gonna be a lot on Dak's plate.

Now some positive stories. Aaron Rodgers poking the media. Showed up yesterday to camp wearing an Egyptian cat T shirt. That's where he spent his time as he missed OTAs many of you think I root against Aaron Rodgers, but I'll give you a little behind the rope truth. Because of the battle we're going to have between Trump, jd Vance and Kamala Harris and whoever her VP pick is, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are going to have huge ratings in September, October, and November. That won't be good for me or ESPN or anybody hosting a sports talk show. So what do we need to survive until early November. We'll be fine. In mid to late November, December, January, February, people will be exhausted by political talk. But up to the election, massive record breaking numbers, record breaking the Republican National Convention. Think about the history of Fox News, shattered records and we're still months away. There are four stories that can go a long way in keeping our little telecasts interesting. Number One, Caleb Williams hits in Chicago, major market, iconic brand. He looks a little like Mahomes. Suddenly they're scoring points and for the first time in all of our lives, Chicago is a dynamic offense. With the next Patrick Mahomes, I think it's possible he'll make rookie mistakes. But Cole Comet, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, DeAndre Swift a better than you think offensive line. Not a great defense in that division with Minnesota, Green Bay or Detroit. It's possible. Is it probable? That would help us? Number two Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers with Justin Herbert start quickly. That's probable. The NFL did Jim Harbaugh solid. They open with the Raiders in Carolina, arguably the two worst teams in the league if you look at their schedule. A six and one start is not out of the realm of possibility. Again, big market, star coach quiet, but a star quarterback that would help us. The third story that would probably do us some favors. The Dallas Cowboys implode. I mean it beats them being pretty good again. Mike McCarthy blows a couple of early games with situational clock management snaffoos. Dak is fine, but maybe the hold out a lot of noise. They lose a game they should win, and Dallas is rolling downhill. That probably for us is very very good content. And number four Aaron Rodgers chest out, mocking the media crushes. He beats Josh Allen in the first encounter. The NFL schedule is a lot of Aaron and whether it's talking to Joe Rogan, it's talking to his friends, he's a little cocky, a little aloof but he has got his chest out, he's playing great. The offensive line comes together, Mike Williams talented, stays healthy, and you look up and the New York Jets are six to one through seven weeks heading into late October and early November. If those four things happen, and if you look at the schedule, they're all very probable, then we've got ourselves a fighting chance, a fighting chance. This will be probably the most challenging September and October. Ever, I should also throw out something else. USC beats LSU, and Michigan is rolling, and the Big ten is on their heels, fight on Trojans going downhill and the polarizing Lincoln Riley is dropping forty two a game against the Big ten. Okay, that may not happen, but that'd be a nice one too. But just to let you know, what I predict and what I'd love to see happen are two different things. Aaron winning, pointing fingers, attacking the media making fun of us, Are you kidding me? You think it's good if he gets hurt again? That's what I want. You think it's good if they start one and six and nobody cares about the entire market of New York. I want a New York team to win, and the Giants have no shop. So let's c us our fingers and hope the one team that has a shot can win. J Mack, how about that is a positive, optimistic, glass half full vibe to start the show. I love that segment, and I think you missed a couple.

Now some positive stories. Aaron Rodgers poking the media. Showed up yesterday to camp wearing an Egyptian cat T shirt. That's where he spent his time as he missed OTAs many of you think I root against Aaron Rodgers, but I'll give you a little behind the rope truth. Because of the battle we're going to have between Trump, jd Vance and Kamala Harris and whoever her VP pick is, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are going to have huge ratings in September, October, and November. That won't be good for me or ESPN or anybody hosting a sports talk show. So what do we need to survive until early November. We'll be fine. In mid to late November, December, January, February, people will be exhausted by political talk. But up to the election, massive record breaking numbers, record breaking the Republican National Convention. Think about the history of Fox News, shattered records and we're still months away. There are four stories that can go a long way in keeping our little telecasts interesting. Number One, Caleb Williams hits in Chicago, major market, iconic brand. He looks a little like Mahomes. Suddenly they're scoring points and for the first time in all of our lives, Chicago is a dynamic offense. With the next Patrick Mahomes, I think it's possible he'll make rookie mistakes. But Cole Comet, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, DeAndre Swift a better than you think offensive line. Not a great defense in that division with Minnesota, Green Bay or Detroit. It's possible. Is it probable? That would help us? Number two Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers with Justin Herbert start quickly. That's probable. The NFL did Jim Harbaugh solid. They open with the Raiders in Carolina, arguably the two worst teams in the league if you look at their schedule. A six and one start is not out of the realm of possibility. Again, big market, star coach quiet, but a star quarterback that would help us. The third story that would probably do us some favors. The Dallas Cowboys implode. I mean it beats them being pretty good again. Mike McCarthy blows a couple of early games with situational clock management snaffoos. Dak is fine, but maybe the hold out a lot of noise. They lose a game they should win, and Dallas is rolling downhill. That probably for us is very very good content. And number four Aaron Rodgers chest out, mocking the media crushes. He beats Josh Allen in the first encounter. The NFL schedule is a lot of Aaron and whether it's talking to Joe Rogan, it's talking to his friends, he's a little cocky, a little aloof but he has got his chest out, he's playing great. The offensive line comes together, Mike Williams talented, stays healthy, and you look up and the New York Jets are six to one through seven weeks heading into late October and early November. If those four things happen, and if you look at the schedule, they're all very probable, then we've got ourselves a fighting chance, a fighting chance. This will be probably the most challenging September and October. Ever, I should also throw out something else. USC beats LSU, and Michigan is rolling, and the Big ten is on their heels, fight on Trojans going downhill and the polarizing Lincoln Riley is dropping forty two a game against the Big ten. Okay, that may not happen, but that'd be a nice one too. But just to let you know, what I predict and what I'd love to see happen are two different things. Aaron winning, pointing fingers, attacking the media making fun of us, Are you kidding me? You think it's good if he gets hurt again? That's what I want. You think it's good if they start one and six and nobody cares about the entire market of New York. I want a New York team to win, and the Giants have no shop. So let's c us our fingers and hope the one team that has a shot can win. J Mack, how about that is a positive, optimistic, glass half full vibe to start the show. I love that segment, and I think you missed a couple.

I mean, Kansas City Chiefs going for a historic three peat versus the Chiefs perhaps imploding. I mean, their offensive line has a lot of questions. Brock Perdy and the forty nine ers, they're billing this is the last dance.

I mean, Kansas City Chiefs going for a historic three peat versus the Chiefs perhaps imploding. I mean, their offensive line has a lot of questions. Brock Perdy and the forty nine ers, they're billing this is the last dance.

If you will ask yourself. This like there's a lot couldn't we argue the sing the two things that would be great for our business? The Jets go to San Francisco and beat the Niners soundly, and Caleb Williams has four touchdowns against Tennessee and all of a sudden, it's like we have our next Mahomes. Aaron Rogers is on top of the world. Those two things. And I'll say this, ratings matter to us. This is what we do, it's our livelihood. We sit in meetings all day trying to figure out what you want to talk about, what you are interested in. So Harbaugh, Rogers, Caleb Williams, Cowboy implosion. Now those are all wins for us. Yeah, no, it's very exciting.

If you will ask yourself. This like there's a lot couldn't we argue the sing the two things that would be great for our business? The Jets go to San Francisco and beat the Niners soundly, and Caleb Williams has four touchdowns against Tennessee and all of a sudden, it's like we have our next Mahomes. Aaron Rogers is on top of the world. Those two things. And I'll say this, ratings matter to us. This is what we do, it's our livelihood. We sit in meetings all day trying to figure out what you want to talk about, what you are interested in. So Harbaugh, Rogers, Caleb Williams, Cowboy implosion. Now those are all wins for us. Yeah, no, it's very exciting.

I mean I got kind of excited just thinking about the season. Is it starting next week with We Wish?

I mean I got kind of excited just thinking about the season. Is it starting next week with We Wish?

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So this is interesting. The WNBA ratings are in for the WNBA All Star Game against the US Women's Olympians, and I don't know what happened, what's going on, but it's smashed their all time records, destroyed them. They've played before, the WNBA All Star Team and the USA Olympic Team. They've played before and nobody watched, and this time they smashed records, pilving once again that Caitlin Clark is driving revenue for the league and should be now on the Olympic team, but she's not. I'll get to that in a second. What's interesting, though, is with the Paris Olympics starting Wednesday, the league is now on hiatus until October or excuse me, until August fifteenth, So the WNBA is not playing, meaning Caitlin's not playing, and the Olympics will be playing, but Caitlin's not part of that. I would suggest, if the league wasn't his tribal and petty, that not only Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reeths clearly both should have been put on the Olympic team. Did you watch the WNBA All Stars that had Reese and Caitlin Clark against the Olympians. Angel Reese got a double double in eighteen minutes. She's been fantastic, overshadowed by Clark, and Caitlin Clark led everybody in assists. Both could be near the end of the bench, and you'd watch two rivals now playing together, friends or at least colleagues on the same floor fighting for the same Olympic gold. In a tribal divided world, especially with what the Olympics can bring uniting all of us, we get very little of that. Wouldn't that be cool? Nah, let's just wait four more years. We've talked about Caitlin Clark being on the Olympic team, but why not Angel Reese. She's been phenomenal. They're just different players. In eighteen minutes she had twelve points and eleven rebounds against the Olympic team. I don't care what lead you're in. That's phenomenal. And I've said this, I don't want Caitlin Clark to win. We got magic Bird here, that's what we should have. Caitlyn wins here, Angel wins there. Maybe Angel's team is better. Caitlyn wins are more of personal awards. But eventually Caitlyn's team gets good and then people recognize how great Angel Reese is. So no Angel or Caitlin Clark for the next month. As football camps open up. The WNBA will now disappear, but women's basketball doesn't need to if they had Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark even back of the bench, both playing together for the first time on the Olympic team. You keep telling me these amazingly talented young women aren't ready for it. I'll say it again, women's basketball is not quite ready on how to handle Kitlyn Clark and Angel Reese. So I saw this story and I thought it was pretty interesting that Kyle Shanahan, a San Francisco forty nine ers, very smart offensive head coach dad was a great coach too, offered Bill Belichick a role on his staff, and Bill Belichick turned it down. So here's here is a Kyle Shanahan on the TK Show podcast with Tim Kawakami of the Athletic here's the.

So this is interesting. The WNBA ratings are in for the WNBA All Star Game against the US Women's Olympians, and I don't know what happened, what's going on, but it's smashed their all time records, destroyed them. They've played before, the WNBA All Star Team and the USA Olympic Team. They've played before and nobody watched, and this time they smashed records, pilving once again that Caitlin Clark is driving revenue for the league and should be now on the Olympic team, but she's not. I'll get to that in a second. What's interesting, though, is with the Paris Olympics starting Wednesday, the league is now on hiatus until October or excuse me, until August fifteenth, So the WNBA is not playing, meaning Caitlin's not playing, and the Olympics will be playing, but Caitlin's not part of that. I would suggest, if the league wasn't his tribal and petty, that not only Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reeths clearly both should have been put on the Olympic team. Did you watch the WNBA All Stars that had Reese and Caitlin Clark against the Olympians. Angel Reese got a double double in eighteen minutes. She's been fantastic, overshadowed by Clark, and Caitlin Clark led everybody in assists. Both could be near the end of the bench, and you'd watch two rivals now playing together, friends or at least colleagues on the same floor fighting for the same Olympic gold. In a tribal divided world, especially with what the Olympics can bring uniting all of us, we get very little of that. Wouldn't that be cool? Nah, let's just wait four more years. We've talked about Caitlin Clark being on the Olympic team, but why not Angel Reese. She's been phenomenal. They're just different players. In eighteen minutes she had twelve points and eleven rebounds against the Olympic team. I don't care what lead you're in. That's phenomenal. And I've said this, I don't want Caitlin Clark to win. We got magic Bird here, that's what we should have. Caitlyn wins here, Angel wins there. Maybe Angel's team is better. Caitlyn wins are more of personal awards. But eventually Caitlyn's team gets good and then people recognize how great Angel Reese is. So no Angel or Caitlin Clark for the next month. As football camps open up. The WNBA will now disappear, but women's basketball doesn't need to if they had Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark even back of the bench, both playing together for the first time on the Olympic team. You keep telling me these amazingly talented young women aren't ready for it. I'll say it again, women's basketball is not quite ready on how to handle Kitlyn Clark and Angel Reese. So I saw this story and I thought it was pretty interesting that Kyle Shanahan, a San Francisco forty nine ers, very smart offensive head coach dad was a great coach too, offered Bill Belichick a role on his staff, and Bill Belichick turned it down. So here's here is a Kyle Shanahan on the TK Show podcast with Tim Kawakami of the Athletic here's the.

Sound a head coach of a team right now. I know what I would do if I was an owner, So that shocks me. And the last thing you want to do is insult someone like Bill Belichick. But I know he just loves ball in the simplest form. So I threw it all out to him, like whatever he'd want to do. See he's he politely turned me down.

Sound a head coach of a team right now. I know what I would do if I was an owner, So that shocks me. And the last thing you want to do is insult someone like Bill Belichick. But I know he just loves ball in the simplest form. So I threw it all out to him, like whatever he'd want to do. See he's he politely turned me down.

I actually think Belichick, who turned it down, was smart. To turn it down. He doesn't need to grind and be on the treadmill. He needs to self reflect and analyze a broader view of the league. Because when Brady left, Bill didn't struggle, he crashed. The roster's awful. The offense was in nept his quarterback handling was brutal, His staff retreads post Brady Bill was a mess. Drafting not great. Winning disappeared. Even the stuff Bill was known to be great at, like details and situational football was haphazard. Elacheck crashed, and there's one way to fix that. It's not grinding on a staff. It's looking in the mirror, making calls, visiting camps. Dude can coach, there's no question about that. But if you're going to give him control of the football operation, you're romanticizing what happened. This wasn't a slow decline pretty but now that's what we're going to see with the Cowboys over the next three years. It was they couldn't get their roster right. The offense was a knemic. Whatever he did to mac Jones didn't work. Matt Patricia is an offensive coordinator like it was embarrassing. The offense was the weakest next to Carolina in the league. So once you're a legend, by the way, you can't open the show like Paul McCartney could be ninety four. He's never opening for anybody. Bon Jovi Rocks don't open for anybody. I don't care if John bon Jovi's bald at some point, He's not opening for anybody. Legends don't do the undercard, So same with Connor McGregor. No undercards, not interested, even though he didn't win fights anymore.

I actually think Belichick, who turned it down, was smart. To turn it down. He doesn't need to grind and be on the treadmill. He needs to self reflect and analyze a broader view of the league. Because when Brady left, Bill didn't struggle, he crashed. The roster's awful. The offense was in nept his quarterback handling was brutal, His staff retreads post Brady Bill was a mess. Drafting not great. Winning disappeared. Even the stuff Bill was known to be great at, like details and situational football was haphazard. Elacheck crashed, and there's one way to fix that. It's not grinding on a staff. It's looking in the mirror, making calls, visiting camps. Dude can coach, there's no question about that. But if you're going to give him control of the football operation, you're romanticizing what happened. This wasn't a slow decline pretty but now that's what we're going to see with the Cowboys over the next three years. It was they couldn't get their roster right. The offense was a knemic. Whatever he did to mac Jones didn't work. Matt Patricia is an offensive coordinator like it was embarrassing. The offense was the weakest next to Carolina in the league. So once you're a legend, by the way, you can't open the show like Paul McCartney could be ninety four. He's never opening for anybody. Bon Jovi Rocks don't open for anybody. I don't care if John bon Jovi's bald at some point, He's not opening for anybody. Legends don't do the undercard, So same with Connor McGregor. No undercards, not interested, even though he didn't win fights anymore.

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Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day five to seven pm Eastern. But here's the thing, we never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.

Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day five to seven pm Eastern. But here's the thing, we never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.

And that's why we have a brand new podcast called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber list name in me.

And that's why we have a brand new podcast called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber list name in me.

Well you know what it's called over promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years.

Well you know what it's called over promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years.

Well, it's a Cavino and Rich after show, and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called over Promised.

Well, it's a Cavino and Rich after show, and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called over Promised.

Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out over Promised and also Uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even.

Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out over Promised and also Uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even.

A little harder.

A little harder.

It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.

It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.

There you go, over Promising. Remember you could see on YouTube, but definitely join us. Listen Over Promised with Cabino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Fifteen years in the NFL as one of the premiere deep threats and a three time pro bowler, LA's Deshaun Jackson stops buy in Studio. By the way, for people that may not realize this, you have twenty six career touchdowns of sixty plus yards, most in league history, five touchdowns of eighty or more tied for the most in league history, thirty four touchdowns of fifty plus yards. Only Jerry Rice has more so to the very end, health was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys. So I want to start with this Kansas City they have a young speedster like you. You were at cal Long Beach poly Cow, NFL. Immediately you popped Xavier Worthy is his name? Now, when you came into the league, people said, well, he's a little light. That's the knock on Worthy. Your thought if you had to give a young receiver who's under one hundred eighty pounds advice, do you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice?

Fifteen years in the NFL as one of the premiere deep threats and a three time pro bowler, LA's Deshaun Jackson stops buy in Studio. By the way, for people that may not realize this, you have twenty six career touchdowns of sixty plus yards, most in league history, five touchdowns of eighty or more tied for the most in league history, thirty four touchdowns of fifty plus yards. Only Jerry Rice has more so to the very end, health was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys. So I want to start with this Kansas City they have a young speedster like you. You were at cal Long Beach poly Cow, NFL. Immediately you popped Xavier Worthy is his name? Now, when you came into the league, people said, well, he's a little light. That's the knock on Worthy. Your thought if you had to give a young receiver who's under one hundred eighty pounds advice, do you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice?

Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy.

Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy.

This it's crazy because you know in college he reached out to me a few times. We went back and forth on Instagram and you know, just looking at his his skill. I actually did some scouting for the Eagles this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship and you know, yeah, he gave me like six seven receivers and I had to do some scouting on him. So Xavier Worthy throughout all the receivers I did scouting, and personally myself, I would just say, don't make it bigger than what it is.

This it's crazy because you know in college he reached out to me a few times. We went back and forth on Instagram and you know, just looking at his his skill. I actually did some scouting for the Eagles this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship and you know, yeah, he gave me like six seven receivers and I had to do some scouting on him. So Xavier Worthy throughout all the receivers I did scouting, and personally myself, I would just say, don't make it bigger than what it is.

It's football at the end of day.

It's football at the end of day.

The reason why I came in early on as a rookie and had successes because I came in and I didn't make the game bigger than it was. You know, I was very confident in myself regards to the the stature of the size.

The reason why I came in early on as a rookie and had successes because I came in and I didn't make the game bigger than it was. You know, I was very confident in myself regards to the the stature of the size.

I was only like one sixty nine exactly.

I was only like one sixty nine exactly.

Gods was like, oh, he's not gonna do this. He's not gonna do this. But I think Gods of his stature are stature. We've been hearing that our whole life. So for me, I just always use that to advantage. You know, people thought I was too small, I wasn't gonna do this, so the nay sayers, I just used it to advantage. I say, y'all think I'm not gonna do this, I'm gonna come to the NFL and prove to you I can do this. So me just make the game not big, you know, footba At the end of the day, every step of the way, it gets faster, guys get bigger. But I mean, if you got hurt and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let people hit you. Exager Hey, they can't they can't hit what they can't catch, you know what I'm saying. So at the end of the day, just stay fast man and coach reed. If anything else, I know he's gonna put him in a great position to win.

Gods was like, oh, he's not gonna do this. He's not gonna do this. But I think Gods of his stature are stature. We've been hearing that our whole life. So for me, I just always use that to advantage. You know, people thought I was too small, I wasn't gonna do this, so the nay sayers, I just used it to advantage. I say, y'all think I'm not gonna do this, I'm gonna come to the NFL and prove to you I can do this. So me just make the game not big, you know, footba At the end of the day, every step of the way, it gets faster, guys get bigger. But I mean, if you got hurt and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let people hit you. Exager Hey, they can't they can't hit what they can't catch, you know what I'm saying. So at the end of the day, just stay fast man and coach reed. If anything else, I know he's gonna put him in a great position to win.

Yeah, so for sure we love Andy. Now you also you played with Lamar Jackson, you played with you know, Jalen Hurts. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in the league. I think they're both gonna hit. I think Jayden Annuals is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. Right, how many games will it take for you to go that works? Like, like, do you need to see?

Yeah, so for sure we love Andy. Now you also you played with Lamar Jackson, you played with you know, Jalen Hurts. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in the league. I think they're both gonna hit. I think Jayden Annuals is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. Right, how many games will it take for you to go that works? Like, like, do you need to see?

Hell?

Hell?

Could you watch in practice? You see an exhibition game? What will you need to say? Okay, that's official, that's gonna work. Jalen Hurts, by the way, did you see him early?

Could you watch in practice? You see an exhibition game? What will you need to say? Okay, that's official, that's gonna work. Jalen Hurts, by the way, did you see him early?

Yeah, preferd I was gonna I was gonna give you an instance on that. So when I was in twenty nineteen, I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had.

Yeah, preferd I was gonna I was gonna give you an instance on that. So when I was in twenty nineteen, I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had.

Carson Wentz was our starter, yep.

Carson Wentz was our starter, yep.

And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back and Jalen Hurst was the number two quarterback. That was the year they drafted him second round. They're like, why would you draft Like, how why would you draft him second round? You just paid Carson Wentz all this money. Why would you pick this guy second round? People didn't understand it right, So speed up. Carson Wentz gets hurt. Now we're in practice. We're in training camp, and you know obviously the second the second team always go against the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice. Me and How we sitting next to each other, and we like, this guy gonna be special. How he looked over to me was like, d Jack, you see that. I'm like, hey, you got something in that guy right there? He was making the ones look like they were like practice squad players, and I was like, it was just something about his morale. He went into the huddle, he took you know, ownership in the huddle. He was calling out the plays and it was just it was he was laid back. It was like the game wasn't too big for him. So I look at guys like that, like Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. College a lot of starts in college, and honestly, for me, I look at that to see like, how are you gonna make the game look. Is it gonna be bigger than you? Is it gonna be too much, is gonna be overwhelming? Or are you gonna be complaining? Like you want to see all that body language? You want to see when you throw an interception? How do you know, react to that? So for me, I just think those guys they just got to show up early.

And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back and Jalen Hurst was the number two quarterback. That was the year they drafted him second round. They're like, why would you draft Like, how why would you draft him second round? You just paid Carson Wentz all this money. Why would you pick this guy second round? People didn't understand it right, So speed up. Carson Wentz gets hurt. Now we're in practice. We're in training camp, and you know obviously the second the second team always go against the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice. Me and How we sitting next to each other, and we like, this guy gonna be special. How he looked over to me was like, d Jack, you see that. I'm like, hey, you got something in that guy right there? He was making the ones look like they were like practice squad players, and I was like, it was just something about his morale. He went into the huddle, he took you know, ownership in the huddle. He was calling out the plays and it was just it was he was laid back. It was like the game wasn't too big for him. So I look at guys like that, like Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. College a lot of starts in college, and honestly, for me, I look at that to see like, how are you gonna make the game look. Is it gonna be bigger than you? Is it gonna be too much, is gonna be overwhelming? Or are you gonna be complaining? Like you want to see all that body language? You want to see when you throw an interception? How do you know, react to that? So for me, I just think those guys they just got to show up early.

But it's gonna take time. You know, you're not gonna be.

But it's gonna take time. You know, you're not gonna be.

Able to see, you know right away that oh they might be that guy, but you might see glimpse of it here and there.

Able to see, you know right away that oh they might be that guy, but you might see glimpse of it here and there.

So you you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott. You mentioned you saw Jalen Hurt's command respect. For me, it's not just the throwing. When I watch a young quarterback, is he in command to control? Are you in control of the operation? If I see nervous feet, if I see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage, Like I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting because I think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't think he's as fast. I think he's better in the pocket as a rookie. I think I watched them at Arizona State. You did, I watched them at LSU. I think Caleb Williams stole all the glare from everybody. I think Jayden Daniels.

So you you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott. You mentioned you saw Jalen Hurt's command respect. For me, it's not just the throwing. When I watch a young quarterback, is he in command to control? Are you in control of the operation? If I see nervous feet, if I see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage, Like I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting because I think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't think he's as fast. I think he's better in the pocket as a rookie. I think I watched them at Arizona State. You did, I watched them at LSU. I think Caleb Williams stole all the glare from everybody. I think Jayden Daniels.

That that as added pressure too.

That that as added pressure too.

Is as far as Kata Williams like, I think you know he's he was at sc you know, you're hot, You're in Hollywood, you got there all the lights, camera actionally. But one thing I will say about Jaden Daniels and to you, to you, to your you know, remarkings on him, I think he's awesome.

Is as far as Kata Williams like, I think you know he's he was at sc you know, you're hot, You're in Hollywood, you got there all the lights, camera actionally. But one thing I will say about Jaden Daniels and to you, to you, to your you know, remarkings on him, I think he's awesome.

I think, you know, guys like that far under the radar.

I think, you know, guys like that far under the radar.

You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has it's easy settle for him because he doesn't have the added pressure. Caleb Williams, he has the added pressure. He's going to a team where they added Kenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift, you got the rookie from h to Washington. You know what I'm saying. So I think like it sets up for success. But if he doesn't have the successes, like oh my god, like now now what's next? You know, we just let go of fields, you know, So I think it's a little harder for him.

You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has it's easy settle for him because he doesn't have the added pressure. Caleb Williams, he has the added pressure. He's going to a team where they added Kenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift, you got the rookie from h to Washington. You know what I'm saying. So I think like it sets up for success. But if he doesn't have the successes, like oh my god, like now now what's next? You know, we just let go of fields, you know, So I think it's a little harder for him.

To kind of like be set up for success.

To kind of like be set up for success.

But jayde and Daniels on the other side, he's kind of calm selling under it, and he's like, you know what sets up for great success for him as well too.

But jayde and Daniels on the other side, he's kind of calm selling under it, and he's like, you know what sets up for great success for him as well too.

Who of all the corners you faced in your career, So you were a speed guy. You were often in motion, which you often do with smaller receivers to get them free where there are one or two corners in the NFL that you you just knew Sunday was gonna be a tough day.

Who of all the corners you faced in your career, So you were a speed guy. You were often in motion, which you often do with smaller receivers to get them free where there are one or two corners in the NFL that you you just knew Sunday was gonna be a tough day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We actually every time we played UH and this was early on in my crew. We used to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

We actually every time we played UH and this was early on in my crew. We used to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

UH. A key to Lee.

UH. A key to Lee.

He was a very physical receiver, very physical cornerback. He pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was like six three, his arms like from here to there, and it was like he always used to come to the line screens. But it was very challenging for me. So I thought early in my career he was like the only guy that really like Jammy.

He was a very physical receiver, very physical cornerback. He pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was like six three, his arms like from here to there, and it was like he always used to come to the line screens. But it was very challenging for me. So I thought early in my career he was like the only guy that really like Jammy.

I didn't.

I didn't.

I don't get jam you know what I'm saying, But he got me one time and I was pissed off. I'm like, you know, what that never happened again. But guys like him, I you know, used to face Dyl Reeves. He used to give me some good times.

I don't get jam you know what I'm saying, But he got me one time and I was pissed off. I'm like, you know, what that never happened again. But guys like him, I you know, used to face Dyl Reeves. He used to give me some good times.

Uh.

Uh.

You know, he's physical. He's another guy that can get He's physical.

You know, he's physical. He's another guy that can get He's physical.

But like one thing about Dryl he like he just since ut route recognition. He was able to read rouse, he was able to read the quarterback. And I think another one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was a longer statue of guy. He played in that Legionma Boom defense like they were crazy in the era. But I used to you know, honestly, what I would say, God's never really wanted to guard me one on one. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of a game, like you gotta follow me everywhere and I'm fast, So like who wants to guard to Shawan Jackson one hundred percent of the time throughout the game, you know what I'm saying. So for me, I think, you know it's I give a lot of guys respect and credit, but throughout the course of a game, there was no one that really just followed me around the whole game like they had safety help, you know, because they didn't bombs over.

But like one thing about Dryl he like he just since ut route recognition. He was able to read rouse, he was able to read the quarterback. And I think another one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was a longer statue of guy. He played in that Legionma Boom defense like they were crazy in the era. But I used to you know, honestly, what I would say, God's never really wanted to guard me one on one. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of a game, like you gotta follow me everywhere and I'm fast, So like who wants to guard to Shawan Jackson one hundred percent of the time throughout the game, you know what I'm saying. So for me, I think, you know it's I give a lot of guys respect and credit, but throughout the course of a game, there was no one that really just followed me around the whole game like they had safety help, you know, because they didn't bombs over.

Bag that.

Bag that.

You know it's deep.

You know it's deep.

So you played with Michael Vick and Philly the legendary Monday Night.

So you played with Michael Vick and Philly the legendary Monday Night.

Can my Dog? I know you've been on your so a few times. Michael. I love Michael. That's my boy.

Can my Dog? I know you've been on your so a few times. Michael. I love Michael. That's my boy.

Man.

Man.

So Michael was such. I mean when I was younger, you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school, right, maybe in college? Yeah, we weren't on a Michael Vicks in the NFL. What was it like to play with Michael?

So Michael was such. I mean when I was younger, you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school, right, maybe in college? Yeah, we weren't on a Michael Vicks in the NFL. What was it like to play with Michael?

Man?

Man?

Honest, it was. It was a dream come true for me. Uh, you know, I got a crazy story. So, uh it was me. I thinks Shady McCoy and Jerry McLean was actually in the locker room and we got a crazy call from UH coach Rees.

Honest, it was. It was a dream come true for me. Uh, you know, I got a crazy story. So, uh it was me. I thinks Shady McCoy and Jerry McLean was actually in the locker room and we got a crazy call from UH coach Rees.

It's like a young fella, how you feeling, man, I'm like, I'm good, coach was going on? You usually don't call me.

It's like a young fella, how you feeling, man, I'm like, I'm good, coach was going on? You usually don't call me.

It's like, what would you do if I told you we could get Michael Vick. I'm like, what, Like you said Michael Vick? Because you know she's fresh out of jail from a situation.

It's like, what would you do if I told you we could get Michael Vick. I'm like, what, Like you said Michael Vick? Because you know she's fresh out of jail from a situation.

So I'm not thinking that.

So I'm not thinking that.

I'm getting this call from Andy Reid and he's telling me about Michael Vick. Right, And this is when obviously we had Donovan Manaviviar. So I'm like, oh, man, So he's like, oh do you feel I'm like, are you kidding me? I grew up love of Michael Vick, Like you know, he was like one of my first players that I fell in love with. Like Michael Vick and Allen Iverson and co and Kobe Bryant is like three people that I my game after, right, So I mean it was a.

I'm getting this call from Andy Reid and he's telling me about Michael Vick. Right, And this is when obviously we had Donovan Manaviviar. So I'm like, oh, man, So he's like, oh do you feel I'm like, are you kidding me? I grew up love of Michael Vick, Like you know, he was like one of my first players that I fell in love with. Like Michael Vick and Allen Iverson and co and Kobe Bryant is like three people that I my game after, right, So I mean it was a.

Dream come true.

Dream come true.

It was no other person that I learned more in my career because you know.

It was no other person that I learned more in my career because you know.

How I grew up and how I was raised.

How I grew up and how I was raised.

You know, I always was hanging around my friends, always had like extra curriculum homies hanging around.

You know, I always was hanging around my friends, always had like extra curriculum homies hanging around.

So that's you know, just growing up how I grew up. You got the friends.

So that's you know, just growing up how I grew up. You got the friends.

He was like, hey, d I'm gonna tell you this one thing go wrong, none of them, Dude's gonna be here for you, he said, trust me. I had a situation where one of my boys I grew up with had a little situation and they told on him and something crazy happened.

He was like, hey, d I'm gonna tell you this one thing go wrong, none of them, Dude's gonna be here for you, he said, trust me. I had a situation where one of my boys I grew up with had a little situation and they told on him and something crazy happened.

That how you got into the situation.

That how you got into the situation.

He was like, Man, if it ever gets bad, these dudes are not gonna be here for you. So I just learned a lot from him because he said, you know, as a professional, you gotta go to work.

He was like, Man, if it ever gets bad, these dudes are not gonna be here for you. So I just learned a lot from him because he said, you know, as a professional, you gotta go to work.

You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to. I was the guy that.

You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to. I was the guy that.

Tried to bring everybody with me, let him experience games and traveling. But sometimes you know that image is not what you want to put out there. So for me, I learned a lot from Michael Vick as a big brother.

Tried to bring everybody with me, let him experience games and traveling. But sometimes you know that image is not what you want to put out there. So for me, I learned a lot from Michael Vick as a big brother.

Andy Reid as a coach, he's probably the best, well, he's the best coaching the sport now. He's arguably the best ever. Right, What was different about Andy Reid from other great coaches? Because I'm looking at the coaches you had, you hadn't mixed f harbed John McDermott, Chip, You had good coaches, John Gruden, What what's different about Andy Reid?

Andy Reid as a coach, he's probably the best, well, he's the best coaching the sport now. He's arguably the best ever. Right, What was different about Andy Reid from other great coaches? Because I'm looking at the coaches you had, you hadn't mixed f harbed John McDermott, Chip, You had good coaches, John Gruden, What what's different about Andy Reid?

I think Andy Reid man first off, like you said, I've been coaching from some great guys. I think Andy Reid yet alone, is the best that's been coached me. I miss a father figure. It was like almost having a dad two point zero to be able to coach and to be able to like, you know, just command.

I think Andy Reid man first off, like you said, I've been coaching from some great guys. I think Andy Reid yet alone, is the best that's been coached me. I miss a father figure. It was like almost having a dad two point zero to be able to coach and to be able to like, you know, just command.

He can maar respect.

He can maar respect.

He he gave you a heart, a hardship, but at the same time he.

He he gave you a heart, a hardship, but at the same time he.

Loved you, so he'd bang on you.

Loved you, so he'd bang on you.

He would get on me boys.

He would get on me boys.

So I mean, when I tell you I used to do things, he used to pull them glasses down to give me that look. You ain't even got to say nothing. You knew he was about business, you know what I'm saying. For me, he was from la He was a guy that grew up and raised out here, so he knew what it was like. He knew the temptation, he knew how I tried that, you know, help and changed the whole area that I was raised in. So he was just always telling me, like, when you come to work, ball got to be the focus.

So I mean, when I tell you I used to do things, he used to pull them glasses down to give me that look. You ain't even got to say nothing. You knew he was about business, you know what I'm saying. For me, he was from la He was a guy that grew up and raised out here, so he knew what it was like. He knew the temptation, he knew how I tried that, you know, help and changed the whole area that I was raised in. So he was just always telling me, like, when you come to work, ball got to be the focus.

You can't be worrying about what's going on back home.

You can't be worrying about what's going on back home.

This person needs help or he's asking for money, like all that stuff you gotta leave to the side. So for me losing my dad in two thousand and nine, you know, I lost my dad early. I was twenty one years old, you know, going into my second year, and he knew what I endured, and obviously my dad meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and Andy Reid stepping up to the plate and like almost being like a dad in my life was like huge to men.

This person needs help or he's asking for money, like all that stuff you gotta leave to the side. So for me losing my dad in two thousand and nine, you know, I lost my dad early. I was twenty one years old, you know, going into my second year, and he knew what I endured, and obviously my dad meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and Andy Reid stepping up to the plate and like almost being like a dad in my life was like huge to men.

I will always love him.

I will always love him.

I actually just talked to him yesterday and he sent me a text message talking about I had limits. He said it, I had a flashbacks today. I said, coach, whatch you mean? I look at the video and he sends me the video my Homes turned out and throwing the ball all the way back and xavier' worthy Worthy catching the ball. I said, hey, coach, it's only one de Sean Jackson. He said, he said, you're right, You're right, but you see that. I said, I've seen that throat from that quarterback.

I actually just talked to him yesterday and he sent me a text message talking about I had limits. He said it, I had a flashbacks today. I said, coach, whatch you mean? I look at the video and he sends me the video my Homes turned out and throwing the ball all the way back and xavier' worthy Worthy catching the ball. I said, hey, coach, it's only one de Sean Jackson. He said, he said, you're right, You're right, but you see that. I said, I've seen that throat from that quarterback.

I said that.

I said that.

He said, you would have loved my Homes. I'm like, man, if I'd have been able to play with Mahomes, oh my gosh.

He said, you would have loved my Homes. I'm like, man, if I'd have been able to play with Mahomes, oh my gosh.

You know what I remember the first now I follow recruiting, so I knew who you were, and you were at Long Beach Pauli, which was sort of the road Runners, which was kind of like sure the track team of the West Coast football. Tell me if you remember this Cal hosting Tennessee Brent Musburger ABC Punk Return for.

You know what I remember the first now I follow recruiting, so I knew who you were, and you were at Long Beach Pauli, which was sort of the road Runners, which was kind of like sure the track team of the West Coast football. Tell me if you remember this Cal hosting Tennessee Brent Musburger ABC Punk Return for.

Sure one hundred percent.

Sure one hundred percent.

I mean I remember leading up all week because you got to remember this.

I mean I remember leading up all week because you got to remember this.

That was my sophomore year.

That was my sophomore year.

Yep.

Yep.

So my freshman year, we went to Tennessee and got our butts candid too, and I actually scored in that game, you know, I scored. I did, okay, But I was a freshman playing in Tennessee. That game one hundred and ten thousand white and orange towels going. I'm like, I'm looking at the stad like, wow, this big time football.

So my freshman year, we went to Tennessee and got our butts candid too, and I actually scored in that game, you know, I scored. I did, okay, But I was a freshman playing in Tennessee. That game one hundred and ten thousand white and orange towels going. I'm like, I'm looking at the stad like, wow, this big time football.

Right.

Right.

So year two, they come to col all week in practice, this punter is talking.

So year two, they come to col all week in practice, this punter is talking.

About all I'm putting the ball. He didn't do nothing last year. I'm putting the ball. Put them.

About all I'm putting the ball. He didn't do nothing last year. I'm putting the ball. Put them.

So I'm reading all these all these these uh these messages or whatever the case may be, at all these articles. And so the first first come up in the game, they went three and out, all stuff, Here comes the way, Here comes Wizard of Return. The Wizard of Oz returns, right, So I go out there. He booted, he kicks me. I'm like, oh my gosh, he kicks it. And what's crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it was a gunner. He got like a free release and my guy didn't block him. Right, So I'm looking I'm looking. I'm looking as you see him looking. I catch it and I jumped back, so I make a miss. So once I moved here, I looked to the right, it was another guy coming down. I'm like, oh, man, I'm gonna do this. So I like jumped forward and jump back on him. And from there, man was it was all his Yeah.

So I'm reading all these all these these uh these messages or whatever the case may be, at all these articles. And so the first first come up in the game, they went three and out, all stuff, Here comes the way, Here comes Wizard of Return. The Wizard of Oz returns, right, So I go out there. He booted, he kicks me. I'm like, oh my gosh, he kicks it. And what's crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it was a gunner. He got like a free release and my guy didn't block him. Right, So I'm looking I'm looking. I'm looking as you see him looking. I catch it and I jumped back, so I make a miss. So once I moved here, I looked to the right, it was another guy coming down. I'm like, oh, man, I'm gonna do this. So I like jumped forward and jump back on him. And from there, man was it was all his Yeah.

It went not We should try to find that. I remember watching that, and you did sort of a Michael Jackson and Musburger didn't had never seen it. And Brent went nuts.

It went not We should try to find that. I remember watching that, and you did sort of a Michael Jackson and Musburger didn't had never seen it. And Brent went nuts.

He lost his mind.

He lost his mind.

Man, Now, Berkeley's I don't look at you and go Tony Gonzalez went to Berkeley. I'm like, Tony, how did you hippie.

Man, Now, Berkeley's I don't look at you and go Tony Gonzalez went to Berkeley. I'm like, Tony, how did you hippie.

Living in trees?

Living in trees?

They was living in trees because around this time they were trying to redo the stadium and they didn't want Did you like it?

They was living in trees because around this time they were trying to redo the stadium and they didn't want Did you like it?

I loved it?

I loved it?

I mean for me growing up in Los Angeles, California, and uh, you know, I committed. I gave a soft commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner my number. I don't know if you know the story, but Patrick Turner was a Tennessee guy, right, and he was recruiting him and at the time SC and Polly we had like a merge, like everybody from party was going to SC. So Pete Carroll just thought he had me in the head like so it was like, all right, we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for d Jack, right. So going throughout the process, I'm telling him like, Pee, I'm like, you gotta give me that number one.

I mean for me growing up in Los Angeles, California, and uh, you know, I committed. I gave a soft commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner my number. I don't know if you know the story, but Patrick Turner was a Tennessee guy, right, and he was recruiting him and at the time SC and Polly we had like a merge, like everybody from party was going to SC. So Pete Carroll just thought he had me in the head like so it was like, all right, we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for d Jack, right. So going throughout the process, I'm telling him like, Pee, I'm like, you gotta give me that number one.

I need that number one. It's DJA is number one. I'm staying home. I'm LA And he ended up giving number one to Patrick Turner.

I need that number one. It's DJA is number one. I'm staying home. I'm LA And he ended up giving number one to Patrick Turner.

And before I committed, I'm like, well, I committed, But before I officially committed, I was like, you sure because Jeff Ttervor he recruited me heavy. I said, you know Calgs beach y'all cause you know I was the year Aaron Rodgers beat them here in the coliseum. I said, Calger's beach Ill said you sure, I can't get number one. He's like, yeah, we got to give it to this guy. He's coming from out of time. I'm like, all right, made the move to go to cal But for me, growing up in LA is different. You know, Cale just was open arms and I was able to really go and focus. I feel like if I went to SCO. They had too many distractions staying here at home.

And before I committed, I'm like, well, I committed, But before I officially committed, I was like, you sure because Jeff Ttervor he recruited me heavy. I said, you know Calgs beach y'all cause you know I was the year Aaron Rodgers beat them here in the coliseum. I said, Calger's beach Ill said you sure, I can't get number one. He's like, yeah, we got to give it to this guy. He's coming from out of time. I'm like, all right, made the move to go to cal But for me, growing up in LA is different. You know, Cale just was open arms and I was able to really go and focus. I feel like if I went to SCO. They had too many distractions staying here at home.

Yeah, ceedee, Lamb has a lot of leverage, So ton of leverage now Brandon and I you is upset, but they have so many weapons, right, the teams got a little bit of leverage. No CD Lamb, no receiving Core.

Yeah, ceedee, Lamb has a lot of leverage, So ton of leverage now Brandon and I you is upset, but they have so many weapons, right, the teams got a little bit of leverage. No CD Lamb, no receiving Core.

No Cowboys.

No Cowboys.

Have you ever held out? I have? Is it hard? I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes? Yeah, but you want to get paid.

Have you ever held out? I have? Is it hard? I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes? Yeah, but you want to get paid.

I mean, honestly, for me, going back to twenty twelve, and I just was talking about this situation, I think I fell into a situation where Drew Rosenhouse was my agent around that time. Man Drew Rodenhouse and the Eagles organization, they were they weren't really jelling well together around this time because too they had all this situation with t O and the Eagles and High Rosman and all that joke.

I mean, honestly, for me, going back to twenty twelve, and I just was talking about this situation, I think I fell into a situation where Drew Rosenhouse was my agent around that time. Man Drew Rodenhouse and the Eagles organization, they were they weren't really jelling well together around this time because too they had all this situation with t O and the Eagles and High Rosman and all that joke.

So they was kind of.

So they was kind of.

Already had like you know, there was already So I don't even think it was me.

Already had like you know, there was already So I don't even think it was me.

It just kind of fell into the play that Drew roden House was my agent.

It just kind of fell into the play that Drew roden House was my agent.

He was trying a strong arm the Eagles and it's like, we're not going for it, but Drew rosen House was like, we're not going to camp, and me, I'm like, I love ball. Like all I know is I'm like, I'm not going to camp. Like what are you talking about? I'm not going to camp. And throughout the proces, I think it was like a five or six day holdout. I was getting fined like fifty thousand every day, and you know me, I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to get that new money. I ain't trying to go into camp at that negative base. Right, So it ended up working out. But what I do suggest man to these guys, I mean a lot of times you never know how the holdouts go. Sometimes they work into your benefit, sometimes they don't work into your benefit. So I mean, ceedee Lamb. I think he's definitely deserving of a new contrail question.

He was trying a strong arm the Eagles and it's like, we're not going for it, but Drew rosen House was like, we're not going to camp, and me, I'm like, I love ball. Like all I know is I'm like, I'm not going to camp. Like what are you talking about? I'm not going to camp. And throughout the proces, I think it was like a five or six day holdout. I was getting fined like fifty thousand every day, and you know me, I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to get that new money. I ain't trying to go into camp at that negative base. Right, So it ended up working out. But what I do suggest man to these guys, I mean a lot of times you never know how the holdouts go. Sometimes they work into your benefit, sometimes they don't work into your benefit. So I mean, ceedee Lamb. I think he's definitely deserving of a new contrail question.

You know, the past two years alone, he led the league. You know what I'm saying.

You know, the past two years alone, he led the league. You know what I'm saying.

He led the league in receptions over the past two years, you know, and and touchdowns he was third, and receiving yards he was third.

He led the league in receptions over the past two years, you know, and and touchdowns he was third, and receiving yards he was third.

So I mean, and the.

So I mean, and the.

Guys has been getting paid. There's no doubt in my mind he shouldn't be at least right up under you know justin Jefferson.

Guys has been getting paid. There's no doubt in my mind he shouldn't be at least right up under you know justin Jefferson.

Finally briefly with Sean McVay. So I love mcveage, it's my guy. But when McVeigh got the job, he was thirty. I got interns that are almost that old. So when you were with McVeigh, his energy, Yeah, I mean, like, what is it like to have a coach that's younger than some of the players exactly?

Finally briefly with Sean McVay. So I love mcveage, it's my guy. But when McVeigh got the job, he was thirty. I got interns that are almost that old. So when you were with McVeigh, his energy, Yeah, I mean, like, what is it like to have a coach that's younger than some of the players exactly?

So I got an interesting story.

So I got an interesting story.

So what was that twenty twenty seventeen, I think of the year the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen offseason. I got a call, you know from my agent at the time was Joe Siegel, and Joe Siegel had a relationship with the owners for the Rams, and they actually called and talked to Joe and was like, man, how was We want to talk to d Jack. We want to know how McVeigh was when he was in Washington, cause I was in Washington for three years.

So what was that twenty twenty seventeen, I think of the year the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen offseason. I got a call, you know from my agent at the time was Joe Siegel, and Joe Siegel had a relationship with the owners for the Rams, and they actually called and talked to Joe and was like, man, how was We want to talk to d Jack. We want to know how McVeigh was when he was in Washington, cause I was in Washington for three years.

It was like, how is McVeigh as a coach? Is he how is he as a leader?

It was like, how is McVeigh as a coach? Is he how is he as a leader?

They called I was like one of three players they called. So they called me, and you can if you ever talked to me by you could ask him not line they called me. They called Trent Williams and I want to say, hey, buddy, that's my dog. And then I want to say they called Pierre song at the time too. Right, say, just was curious on like, you know, how is he because one thing that a lot of people don't know.

They called I was like one of three players they called. So they called me, and you can if you ever talked to me by you could ask him not line they called me. They called Trent Williams and I want to say, hey, buddy, that's my dog. And then I want to say they called Pierre song at the time too. Right, say, just was curious on like, you know, how is he because one thing that a lot of people don't know.

So Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington.

So Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington.

Jay Gruden never got up in front of offense and did any play any plays installed you know.

Jay Gruden never got up in front of offense and did any play any plays installed you know.

Sean McVay handled everything.

Sean McVay handled everything.

And for me, I was like, Sean McVay is actually a very personable guy because he goes up and he takes control, he takes ownership.

And for me, I was like, Sean McVay is actually a very personable guy because he goes up and he takes control, he takes ownership.

And at this time, Sean McVay was like twenty twenty eight, twenty seven, I mean he was young room.

And at this time, Sean McVay was like twenty twenty eight, twenty seven, I mean he was young room.

He would control the room like he had that respect and guys knew like you know, you got certain guys that come up and it's like I'm in meetings, I got to hear another dude talk. But like how engaged McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew his stuff x's and o's, the ins and outs of the plays. It was just like you would have thought he everything was his philosophy. Right, So I was like, man, he's a great coach. He's young, but he knows how to take ownership. He could take control of the room. And I think I actually helped him get that job in.

He would control the room like he had that respect and guys knew like you know, you got certain guys that come up and it's like I'm in meetings, I got to hear another dude talk. But like how engaged McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew his stuff x's and o's, the ins and outs of the plays. It was just like you would have thought he everything was his philosophy. Right, So I was like, man, he's a great coach. He's young, but he knows how to take ownership. He could take control of the room. And I think I actually helped him get that job in.

LA I heard he interviewed with the Rams and they came to the conclusion, we can't let him get on a plane.