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Published Dec 30, 2024, 8:25 PM

Colin wants people to full appreciate what Sam Darnold has accomplished this season with the Vikings and why he has earned a big contract extension. He tells you why he was right about Jayden Daniels and wrong about the Packers. Plus, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to talk about the Chiefs offense as they prepare to win a 3rd straight Super Bowl. 

Thanks for listening to The Herd Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sportsradio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to The Herd Podcast. Oh do we have a Monday show lined up for you? Live in Los Angeles? It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We got a lot to talk about. Colin Wright, Colin Raw, plenty of boat top of next hour. Matt Hasselbeck, Hu'soha's money, He'll bring the bag. Jmack. I don't know if you noticed, but Sam Donald, next weekend we'll be playing for the number one see in the NFC. Oh, by the way, once again, slide in Sam Darnald. Why is it he in the MVP Conversation? Am I crazy? He leads in like every category in the MVP co edition. Your ric rock Perdy was in it last year.

Rydnoald's like a carbon copy of rock Perdy.

It's amazing He's been slided for six years. Let's start with this. For the last six years, I've been mocked, ridiculed, laughed at, and it hurt my feelings. And I still believed Sam Donald's got a little bit of Andrew Luck. Tough, relentless, like a linebacker playing quarterback, coachable, throws a bad pick, follows it up with a great pass. What you're seeing is the Andrew Luck thing, and they're asking him to make big boy throws. He leads the NFL sixty completions over twenty plus yards. Those are Brady and Mahome throws. No dink and dunk here, seventy percent completion rate, twenty six t d He's three picks in the red zone. He's the league's most efficient quarterback now and in the second half of the last seven games, one thousand yards and a passer rating of one fourteen. Why is he not in the MVP discussion? Hello, look at all the numbers, because you've already disqualified him. You made up your mind, and that's what we do in the media. You have decided it's a cute story. But no, no, no, no, no, this roster isn't great. There's no bot Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold. Look at the numbers? Who do you trust more in a playoff game? Are you sure it's Lamar? And I love Lamar? But what I said years ago, I said, there's Samandrew Luck here. All you did just took shots. Here's the thing. When you watch him play, you know what, you notice how much his coach. His coach trusts him, And don't worry about being liked in life. It's who likes you. And everybody in America is bailing on Sam Donald. You know who didn't. Kyle Shanahan's like, I think he's good, Kevin O'Connell McVeigh, Yeah, I think he's really good. Yeah, I'm gonna trust those guys. Yeah. A lot of defensive core ordinators who are anti Riss didn't like him. And by the way, he'll give you an ugly pick, So does Mahomes, so does Josh Allen, sod is Justin Herbert. But after his pick yesterday nine for twelve hundred and thirty four passer rating, that is Andrew Luck. I don't think he's his gifted as Andrew Luck. I never have I said it. Then there's some Andrew Luck a little far of here. But what you're seeing now, look at what they ask him to do. Any time you watch a game, when you watch the offense, watch what a coaching staff allows the quarterback to do. In fact, my criticism of Minnesota yesterday was when they let in the second half. I was like, Kevin, turn the governor down, throttle it down. You don't have to have you don't have to have him throwing in the teeth of Green Bay's pass rushing defense. But that's how much confidence they have. And this is not the best the roster will be. They've got cap space. They've got a lot of really really good young players, as Sam Darnold, hero thirty three of forty three should be in the MVP conversation. Show you a picture of him here going into the locker room. They know what they have in Minnesota. What they have is an MVP level quarterback. It's not just a great story that was September and October and then in November. Do we have a great player now? It's like, do we have the MVP. You can't let him go. His contract now is fifty. It's not a forty. It's a fifty on the market. Here's Sam after a lot.

Of water, bottles, a lot of water. It was just mayhem.

I think I blacked out. You know, when Aaron Jones grabbed me and lifted me up. I didn't know what to do with my hands in that situation, so Ricky Bobby style. So it was Yeah, it was an interesting moment, but a fun moment man, to be embraced by your teammates like that.

Sam has played so well for three months straight. You know, I always do the Super Bowl bubble about once a month, every five weeks. Here's my super Bowl bubble. Green Bay's out, Minnesota is in. I think the Rams, the Packers, and the Chargers are still a year away. Green Bays disappointed me in the last few weeks. Can't beat Minnesota or Detroit. I'll put Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit. And Darnald has been good enough. This isn't me being a fanboy. Donald has been so absolutely spectacular. They lost their left tackle earlier this year. Arguably the first or second best left tackle has he lost. Since it's not like this is a great defense. Green Bay's got better personnel, so it's half the league. Where do you go, Sammy? One person in America did not bail on you.

Anyway.

Let's go to Jaden Daniels. So here's of the many reasons the NFL is king. This could be number one. It's the League of hope. Washington was a tire fire because of the worst owner, arguably in professional sports today, and so they just cleaned out the building. They sold the team new GM and I said, you know what, Snyder had such a stench around him. I think they're going to make the playoffs. And I think Jaden's going to be really good. I didn't think he was going.

To be this.

I said, you know, he'll be like Lamar Jackson light. I'm not sure if it's light. This kid's insane. And in the NFL, if you get the quarterback right, everything else falls into place. This is not a great roster. But even their defense last year worse than the league total defense. Now it's ten. Why is that? Because their defense plays with a lead. A great quarterback is makeup on a blemish. It's an eraser. Everybody's got issues. A great quarterback erases them, and an average quarterback. What Indianapolis has multiplies them. And this old line's not great, but now it's formidable. The defense has issues on the back end, but when you play with the lead, defensive line can pin their ears back. Every unit now, I mean they didn't make that many personnel changes, but every unit looks better. And I mean, like yesterday is a prime example of what a great player can do. I thought the Atlanta Falcons finally getting a pass rush Matthew Judhon. I thought they had some good coverage. It didn't matter. As good as Pennix was, he can't do this. You can add twenty five to thirty five percent to a playbook because Jayden Daniels can run, and I love Pennix, but he looked limited in the sand. He's excellent compared to Jayden Daniels. So, and what's really remarkable, it's not just when you're good. The first thing we noticed about Patrick Malmes and you noticed that I noticed this. By year two he was actually almost better trailing in games. A lot of quarterbacks with the lead, it's second and three. You got good protection, Cooper Rush can make plays. You trail by two touchdowns end of the third, they know you've got to throw. You got a banged up offensive line. That was the first sign with Mahomes. Oh wait, bro this is different. He may be the best come from behind quarterback not named John Hallway ever Jayden Daniels in the fourth quarter in overtime this year. This again, this is an okay offensive line. He's got one weapon, has the highest passer rating in the league. That is insane. And remember back in camp when generally when you get a rookie quarterback, like in Chicago with Caleb Williams, or Denver with Drake may or New Denver with Bownicks, or New England with Drake Maye, remember what the coaches always doing. Well, he's got a long way to go. Let's slow down, let's pump the brakes. Cliff Kingsbury and Dan Quinn every time you put a mic in front of them, they were like, hoo hoo hoo. This guy's unbelievable. You're like, Okay, this guy's got to be good. Coaches never do that. Kingsbury's been in the league. Dan Quinn's been in the league forever. Dan Quinn during the preseason, this kid's unbelievable. You're like, what are you doing? Doesn't matter, kid can handle it. I mean, I just I love this kid. No ego loves his teammates. A couple drops yesterday by his receivers. How many penalties did Washington have? You're pulling your hair out, and he's just like, all right, another play. No bad body language. You see that occasionally from a quarterback in New York. No pointing fingers. He's a foxhole guy going gets tough. The kid just head down, no finger pointing. Zach Ertz, a veteran tight end, noticed it in camp.

It comes down to having a really good quarterback in this see if you want to.

Be a good team.

And from the moment I got here, seeing Jaden out there, I continually said, you know, this guy isn't someone that's gonna be good. He's good now. He's the most mature rookie I've ever been around. He approaches the game, he loves to learn, and so he just he exudes such a quiet confidence. He's not out there a raw, raw guy. But we all know how good he is and how much confident we have in him, and so he doesn't need to say anything.

Nobody has delivered in the DC area on this level of promise in years. This is a candidate we can all get behind a bi partisan quarterback. Yes, we're all in on Jaden Daniels, and he and I both approved this message. This kid is magic. You're watching magic. I'm not even sure if he's Lamar Jackson light. It's like I see all the same qualities. I mean, I'm watching Penix last night, and I think Pennix is going to be exceptional, and Jadeen Daniels shrinks him. I mean, that's how good this kid is and all the boxes. No ego, selfless, athletic, accurate, hard working foxhole guy j Mack. I grew up in Washington, DC. They used to have a thirty year wait list on season tickets, and then an owner came in and ruined it. All the goodwill. That reservoir of goodwill lost it. You can walk up and buy a ticket to any game. Good luck getting season tickets going forward with the Commanders. This kid is Broadway.

Yeah, him and Cliff Kingsbury working some magic in Washington. That offense unbelievable.

I mean, listen, I thought you were gonna.

Go the opposite way and take some shots at Rahee Morris for botching that game.

I've come to terms with coaches in the NFL. Is anybody now that Belichick is retired. Is anybody good with clock management? Zach Taylor drove me nuts. Oh gosh, don't start Raheem Morris drove me nuts. But I've come to the conclusion that nobody's great at it.

Does Bradie moorees think you can take time outs home, like after the game, you can just bring them home.

We both had Atlanta, so it was, uh, just.

I know, I take a pair. I like you being positive. Jade Daniels was exceptional. Oh the kids just he's spectaclic We need you need to do a new top ten quarterback list.

He's how's he not? You know, it's one of these things, well, you know how sometimes people say, hey, you're you're confirmation bias. Yeah, I thought he was going to be really good, or it's recency bias. Folks. When you get to the end of an NFL season and Sam Darnold's been great for fourteen weeks or thirteen of the seventeen, that's not really recency bias. He's having a great year. And when you watch Jaden Daniels, I can argue his best month was September. Remember in September, We're like, whoa, Okay, this can't last and then he had your usual problem, and now he's restarted it in the last three to four weeks.

That rib injury seems like he's past that. There was the hic up the light. He does take some shots. He did take a big shot.

At the goal line.

Oh yeah, one hundred and twenty seven yards on the ground line.

I mean they locked up McLaurin right.

He had one catch for five yards and Jaye Daniel's like, okay, I'll just do this my sushi.

Atlanta should have won that game and controlled big portions. The only reason they didn't is Jaden Daniels. I mean, Atlanta controlled the first half. Atlanta should have called timeouts and gotten the field goal. Jaden Daniels is the only reason you win. Again. A great quarterback is an eraser. Every team has issues. An average quarterback is a multiplier. Little things become big pains, and that you know what, this kid just erased a really bad first half where Atlanta controlled it. Uh, don't forget Colin Wright, colinra on top of Next Hour.

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That's Covino and Rich. Here we go. It's hour and two. It is a Monday. Thank you so much for joining us. Matt Hasselback, who has been such a gift as we're in the holiday season for our show. Oh, he was a free agent. We went and grabbed him. We got a steal in Matt hassel Back. He's coming up in five minutes live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd J Mac Michael Urban next hour as well. These Monday shows are great. What a wild weekend of football Saturday Sunday. Also coming up the Bold Game or the playoff games folks the next three days. I know you all complained about the college football playoff last weekend. Now it's neutral fields. Now it's your Texas Notre Dame Georgia stacking up against each other. Well, keep your eye on Boise State with an upset.

You see the money coming in on Arizona State over the weekend, down from thirty thirteen to a laugh.

To eleven and a half against Texas.

I think a lot of people go to Vegas right on the weekend from Arizona and they start loading up on the gambling.

So we'll see. I think the games are gonna be good.

I'll just leave it at that.

Yep, I'm gonna take Notre Dame. I think I'm gonna take Notre Dame. All right, here we go on a Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?

Where Colin was right?

Well, they were my number one dark horse team to make the playoffs every year. I picked one team. Last year it was the Rams, this year it was Washington. I felt just getting Dan Snyder, the owner, out of the building was worth wins. I also thought Jaden Daniels was going to be a little Lamar Jackson light. He is a spectacular talent and a wonderful kid. You knew he was going to be great when the coaching staff couldn't stop heaping praise on him in the preseason, which coaches never do. We got the Commanders.

Right where Colin was rough.

I think I've probably been too high on the Green Bay Packers. They got beat by the Lions twice, the Vikings twice, and the Eagles. I like this roster a lot. I like the coach, but they can't beat the good teams. And I had them above Minnesota and Detroit in the herd hierarchy. When they're really good, like the fourth quarter when they came roaring back. They are so talented and so much fun to watch. But they're zero to five against the top teams in the NFC, so I they're probably a year away. I kind of fell for him, but I still like their future. Where Colin was right, Herbert, I said, no young quarterback has had to overcome coaching in his career more than Justin Herbert. Just get him Harbaugh and he'll be magic. Right now. His efficiency for a quarterback with over four hundred attempts is the best ever next to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. He's a remarkable kid, four to two college major and a tutor in biology size speed. Justin Herbert finally got the coach.

Where Colin was wrong.

I like the Colts all year. I love their roster, but that may have been the worst loss in the NFL this year. They lost a close game to the Giants. They were getting housed early in some of their issues on the back end of their defense. I don't think they're very good, but there's no division titles here in the last ten years, and this was a bad one. I've said this before. If Darnold's on the market, I would go after him. I like Joe Flacco. I think Anthony Richardson's talented, but sometimes you got to cut your losses and ignite in the AFC. If we're gonna win big boy games, we got to get better at quarterback. If Donald hits the market and you're the Colts, go get him.

Where Colin was right, Yes.

I said Baker Mayfield and Tampa I would sign him to a long deal. I thought this was a perfect fit. This organization's always had talent and always had a bit of a chip on its shoulder for being ignored. I thought this was a great fit. And even though Baker and I have had disagreements, Mike Evans, Baker Mayfield time to throw pretty magic. You know, he leads the NFL in touchdown passes since he joined Tampa. It's a good receiving course, not that good. Baker and Darnold same draft, can both play. Where Colin was right, I said the Rams are going to win their division, but keep your eye on the defense, not Matt Stafford. And they just held their last three opponents to single figures. This defense is really good and getting better. They're very reliant offense of Leon Poka Nakua and Kyron Williams. But I've said before I think they're a good team, but not a super Bowl team. But everybody was loving San Francisco, and I said, no, they're getting old, expensive and brittle. Keep your eye on the Rams to win the division and watch this defense. And they delivered where Colin was raw. Yeah, I'm officially selling most of my Kyler Murray stock. I was wrong. I've defended him for years, but listen to this. He is one and sixteen against the NFC West in November and December. Well what can I say if I'm going to sit here all the time and tell you I like winners, he doesn't win. I think he's talented, I think he's elusive. I've defended him, even with the gaming stuff, but at some point I can't keep saying, yeah, I love this guy. He can't beat division rivals one in sixteen in November and December. I'm selling my stock at a loss, by the way, at a.

Loss where Colin was right.

Stop telling me the Kansas City Chiefs are lucky. Best coach, best coordinator, best quarterback, best defensive lineman. Xavier Worthy is becoming a star. Number one seed in all of football number two scoring defense. Listen, they don't blow you away. They don't win by route. This is not college. It's hard. The AFC's load. God, look at their division. It's hardbought. Sean Paige. Even the Raiders play hard. It's hard to win in this league. It's really hard. And the Chiefs just keep doing it. You were all saying they were lucky in Week eight. No they're not. There is a skill to winning close games. The Patriots did it for twenty years and they handed the baton to Kansas City where Colin was right, you know in Rex Ryan's name got floated for the Jets job. I said, absolutely, he's a viable candidate. Ian Rapaport reporting today, believe it or not, he could be interviewed. Everybody makes fun of Rex because he puts it out there, but he's a culture changer. Woody Johnson liked him. Great energy, He's got a view of the world and how to build a football team. And as running games have had kind of a return in the NFL. I would interview Rex Ryan, I said last week. I'd interview Pete Carroll. He's a smart guy. I'd like to interview Pete Carroll i'd interview Rex Ryan. I don't think the best candidates. I think they're very wary of going to the Jets. And I think Rex Ryan has proven, like a Dan Campbell, he'll change the culture. And that's one of the issues. That's why I've said I think Brabel's the guy would hire if not. Rex Ryan's one of the better culture changers out on the market. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong And with that eighteen years in the NFL and one of our favorite fifteen minutes of the week, Matt Hasselbeck now joins US Live. So let's go to Last Night It is. I don't know how to explain it for Jaydon Daniels to be this good this quickly? Is it brain power? I mean, he's obviously talented. Just shouldn't be this easy. It shouldn't be this beautiful. Like, are you surprised? What is it? What do I give the credit to?

Yeah?

Listen, the word for me is awesome. And are you surprised? Yeah, you should be surprised. This guy is playing unbelievable. He's playing just like he did at LSU, and I think like this is an example of it. It matters top down ownership GM head coach coordinator, Who's in the quarterback room all day with the guy, But at the end of the day, this guy hasn't it factor. Listen, I talked.

About it earlier in the year.

I don't know what quarterback I was talking about, But your job is the quarterback, especially on a team like this, is to be the amazing Marinara sauce over yesterday's pasta. You don't have the best roster around you. You gotta be the guy that changes everything. This guy has changed everything for this team, and I believe that they believe there's not a team in the NFC that they can't beat. Yeah, and as long as Jayden Daniels is the quarterback either with his legs, with his arm throwing it, he doesn't flinch, he doesn't blink, fourth down, fourth quarter, two minute, He's got everything you're looking for.

And for that reason, I think they're a very dangerous team.

Undisciplined and frustrating, yes, but very dangerous.

Yeah.

They they get more penalties and bad, bad moments. And I'll say this, here's something else I like about him, Matt And I know I've always said I don't like my quarterbacks. Hat on backwards. I think the podium matters on Wednesday. People give me crap for that. One of the things I like about him. This team gets penalized a lot. They drop passes his body language through all of it. Because the camera Zoay was on him. It matters to me, And maybe it shouldn't. Maybe this is just ridiculous, but I'm watching this team beat itself last night for three quarters and every time you go to him, smile pat and the guy in the butt, does a team sense that.

Yeah, well, listen, He's played a lot of football, and I think a lot a lot of that has to do with why he's so good. He's had some good coaches throughout his career, college career, now at the NFL.

But I would say it this way. There's two things for me.

Number One, do your teammates believe in you when times are tough?

Do they believe in you?

And then, probably just as importantly, does the opponent fear you? Like, does the opponent feel like, oh, we got this guy, we got.

Him on the ropes?

Or is he one of those guys where the balls in his hands late in the game or they're down and the opponent's like sitting there on the bench and they're like, ah, shoot, man, like we left him too much time, or you know what, this guy's gonna do what he did, you know what we've seen him do on film, what we've the film that we've studied.

He's going to bring him back.

And there's quarterbacks like in my playing career and my media career that you just you put in that category, like you gave this guy too much time. It doesn't matter if they're down by four with under a minute to go. And Jayden Daniels to me, has that in factor. That's the aura that he's given off.

So listen, Addison, Jefferson, Naylor, TJ. Hawkinson, Kevin O'Connell. I'm not disputing any of it, but what I noticed with Darnald is the plays they call in crisis, they have him throwing the ball into the teeth of a defense. And I've said before I can tell what a coach thinks of you by the play calls. I mean, when they got that ball twenty seven, twenty five and the first down play was a pass, I'm like, that's not what coaches do. How much is the weapons and how much is Donald In your opinion.

Yeah, listen, I believe you'll know what a coach thinks of his pass protection and his O line by the plays they call more than the quarterback.

But it all fits together.

And if you look at the end of that game, the one word for me is trust. Like they trusted him to throw it. I think it was three times in a row. And they did it in a check with me system, meaning they'll call a play and they'll alert it or can it or kill it to another play.

And they got up there and showed run and he got up there and he said no, no, no, yeah, yeah.

Alert alert or can't can you know, like whatever, we're going to the second play. And they gave him basically the keys the Lamborghini. They said, hey, you and your guys on the field, you got it.

We trust you. We can't have any incompletion.

What they do they threw it with, you know, sort of short yardage, goal line type, high completion percentage plays that fit them. And so I just think when you have that seme symmetry with head coach, play caller, quarterback, you're rolling.

And that's what they got going right now.

So I do think I do think it's important that if a player can hit a bonus and you're winning. It's a route, and a coach says, listen, I'm gonna get a guy a catch. He's got a streak, he's got a bonus in a route. And so the Eagles are routing the Cowboys. The game's over, they go heavy into Saquon Barkley. My take is, though, wait a minute. Your quarterback's hurt, your backup quarterbacks hurt. I don't want Saquon Barkley hurt. What did you make of the thirty one plus carries. I'm not anti getting a guy in a blowout a number or bonus. That's a lot of carries for a team that's got to banged up quarterback.

Yeah, listen. I believe in Philly. I believe in everything that they're doing.

And this reminds me a little bit because he's real close to this Eric Dickerson record.

I think he needs one hundred and one yards. This reminds me.

In five, we had the number one seed locked up in the NFC, Sean Alexander was really close to the touchdown record. If he gets the touchdown record, he's going to get the MVP. And I just remember Mike Holmgren coming in to our team talking about, hey, we're going to get this touchdown record, like this is a big deal, and it's a big deal to Sean, but it's a big deal to all of us. This is an offensive line award, This is a fullback award, this is a team award, this is a wide receivers blocking award. And I thought Mike Holmgren did an amazing job of making this like, you know what, this is our one and oh this week, because that's really the goal. You try to go one and oh this every week. But when one and O doesn't really matter anymore or doesn't matter as much, you go for that. And to me, like knowing the personality of Philly, seeing how strong Saquon still looks, knowing how unselfish he was earlier in the year when he could have been patting his stats and he said, no, no, let the young guys go. Let the young guys go, And to now still have it in their reach, I don't know. I think you go for it. I think you go for it, and I think you play ball, and I think it's a feather in the cap of everybody there, coaches included, And I think you play fearless, and you play to win not only the game in the end of the season, but also to win this record for that team and for all of Philly.

Go for it.

J McK and I were talking earlier. I believe the Chargers are the best team in the NFL playoffs that probably can't win a Super Bowl. And then I go back and I look at hardballs teams everywhere. Stanford didn't have great receivers. The Niners had Michael Crabtree, they weren't loaded, Michigan won, and Natty they didn't even throw a pass at Penn State. I look at their weapons and think, God, they need a tight end, they need a running back, they need another receiver. Do they have enough juice to win three games? Four games? Do you think?

You know?

That's tough.

It's an interesting point you make, Like they're gonna have to play Buffalo, They're gonna have to play Baltimore, They're gonna like I just don't.

Know that they're there yet. Like I believe in Jim Harbaugh.

I think he's done a great job setting a great foundation. I've been saying it forever. Herbert is amazing. He's everything you're looking for in a quarterback. It's one of the reasons I was so high on Drake may because he reminds me a lot of Justin Herbert.

Now, I think it's.

An interesting point you bring, But to me, I just think that the class of the AFC there's a separation line when you talk about Kansas City and you talk about Baltimore, and you talk about Buffalo. But the reason I believe that's in that separation is the quarterback. And so at some point, I don't know if it's this year, at some point Justin Herbert is gonna have to kind of like morph into, yes, the Harball way of doing things, but also kind of getting in that that legit like on the podium of the upper echelon guys in the AFC.

Is the top five, Yeah, no doubt. Is he on the podium.

I don't think you can put them on the podium yet with those other guys I mentioned.

It is interesting, Donald Baker, Mayfield. You look at that class now, Josh Allen, Lamark, Donald Baker, all of them having career years. I don't remember two quarterbacks that we all kind of bailed on, and yet they're both stars. Is this a fundamental change in the league. Have we gotten to a point where quarterback is so important for success in this league? Now due to rule changes that you have to give guys a second chance. You have to you have to make sure it works. But I mean, it's an insane story. In the same year, two guys we bailed on are both breaking records. How do we explain it?

Yeah?

And they both were in Carolina. Who Carolina is?

What they are?

They're Carolina?

Now, you know what it reminds me of one year back in the day, I three of them, the Saint Louis Rams of the LA Rams.

Very early they have Nick.

Foles, Jared Goff, Case Keenum. Those were the three guys in the quarterback room. And then later on Case Keenum's in like the championship game, Nick Foles is in the Super Bowl, and Jared Goff is Jared Goff. It was just crazy success. I forget the details, but no, it matters, and listen. I do also believe strongly that Sam Darnold will take this into consideration.

When his free agency comes.

He's going to remember what it was like to be in an organization that doesn't get how to be relevant. In December and January and beyond the Jets, Baker, He'll remember what it was like in Cleveland. They both remember what it was like in Carolina and they've tasted it now with an organization then not only loves them, but they love it back. And so when you talk about this free agency and hometown discount and yeah, these guys are balling out and hey, you can go get paid, I really believe that they're going to understand in value how great it is to have a head coach and a play caller that I'm in sync with, or how great it is to have the whole locker room respect me and understand what I went through. And then you kind of kind of you guys kind of pulled me out of it. Like I pulled myself out of it, but you helped me, you know, come out of it.

Sure.

And so like, I just really think there's something unique and special and I respect it.

I think it's awesome.

So the one team that I'm fascinated with in a weird way, I love Sean Payton and bow Nicks. But if Cincinnati gets in and has to go to Buffalo, the pressure on Buffalo is insane and the pressure on Cincinnati is a nothing Burger, They sneak in When you look at Buffalo, take your career. I feel of all the teams in this league because Philadelphia has pressure, but they've been to Super Bowls. I feel like there's enormous pressure on Sean McDermott. Were you ever on a team you went into the playoffs and you could feel the pressure. You knew you had to win those first couple games, and does does a does a coaching staff change the way they coach? Did you feel a tightness in your entire eighteen year career? Does that exist or is that just a media thing?

Yeah?

No, it exists, but I don't think I was fully aware of it.

But I remember in five it was five We're playing a wildcard game against Washington and I didn't know this. I tried to like, you know, keep my head down and just like go one to know each week. But the Seahawks hadn't won a playoff game since, like Chuck Knox was the coach, and the beat Miami down against Don Schule.

It was like this weird thing.

And I remember pregame the national anthems going on in all these former Seahawks, like the Steve Largent era guys, they're all lined up and they're getting teary eyed and they're gassed up, and they're like, let's like, this is game day for them. You know, these guys that were in their fifties, it was game day for them. And that was when I really felt like, oh wow, this this loss would be devastating to people outside of the guys who are wearing a helmet today. And I think that's probably true for you know that the entire like community that lives in breaths by the Bill's success right now in December because they are so invested in this in this program.

Yeah.

But I think one of the things I would say that I that I really like that the Bills have done and Josh Allen has done. He's kept it really focused about football, and I think that's just their key. But yeah, hey, does anybody want to play the Cincinnati Bengals.

They get in, no promise you.

That's the team that decoordinators are afraid of. They're like, they're afraid of nothing, but they're afraid of I think that Cincinnati offense.

Yeah, I think you're right. Cincinnati in the AFC and Washington and the NFC. Jaden Daniels is a problem. I mean, he just there's nothing you could He's like Lamar Jackson, but but a little better in the pocket than Lamar was as a rookie.

Yeah, there's the problem with the problem with the Washington situation versus the Cincinnati situation is the weapons in Cincinnati scare that. I don't know if you saw Hard Knocks and Mike Tomlin talking about Like Mike Tomlin literally said at one point something to the effect of, like basically, I'd rather play Baltimore and Lamar than have to deal with this team with a losing record. By the way, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins, like that's the team that you know. I was in Cincinnati for this game actually, and it was just like this this moment where like all of Cincinnati was like Joe's going to do it, Like just Joe's going to do it. He might do it by himself, like we're not going to kick a field goal from inside the tent like where he might just do it by himself.

But I think everyone believes that.

And again, like I was talking about earlier, the respect of your locker.

Room is really important.

But to have the fear of the opposing team when you have the ball, like that's everything you're looking for as a quarterback, when they feel like, dang it, like he's.

Got the ball, we're probably gonna lose right now.

And Burrow has that even with the year that they've had record wise.

No run game, pass protection, sketchy, and he's magic. Matt Hasselbeck eighteen years. Such a present for during the holidays. Love having you on Mondays, Buddy, Happy New Year, calling Happy New Year to you and your amazing family. He really does have an amazing family.

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Twelve years in the NFL three Super Bowl Championship rings. One of my favorite people, the playmaker. So we got a lot of things, you know what, Let's just I want to I want to before we get to the NFL. I want to address a couple of college issues. So let's start with the easy one. So I have not heard coach Prime say I want my son to play blank blank blank, but once again, Deon Sanders is quoted on Twitter today saying, listen, it'll be multiple idiots that will say things that are totally untrue regarding where I want my son to play in the NFL, can you clarify this? Is there places he wants his son, both of them to play or not.

Well, you know, there's always a place that you prefer. Everyone has a place that they prefer. But if you're smart, you're prefer not to say it at this time. That's just smart to do, right, because you don't want to say, hey, we prefer to go just throwing out teams to the Giants and then the Raiders get you. Now you got to answer all of those questions, so you know why even set yourself up for that.

Just say, listen, well, I'm ready to play for any team that draft me.

You know, the reality is now we can't lie and hide and well, who's your team growing up?

I'm sure you've said that a million times, so you might You can't say, well, I don't have a team now.

Because we'll pull up film and receipts. Just be honest, Like I like the Cowboys growing up, but I want to play for whatever team to see the things I fit the team. That's just that, that's the right thing to say, and Dean saying the right thing, even though he's gonna be like that the man in Wizard at.

The all back to pushing buttons.

And then if you pulled out the cart, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Why he's pushing buttons. You know what I'm saying, He's going to be pushing buttons.

Okay, that's always family. Did it. Eli's family. I'm okay with it, and.

I'm glad you said that.

I'm glad you said that because I said on my YouTube channel, those guys did it, and what I do now, I'm just gonna say this. Don't mean that people, but I'm gonna put it out there. I love I love seeing that that. I love seeing when I watched Beyoncey and her daughter next to her in that appearance at halftime on Christmas. I love seeing what Lebron James has done with Lebronni and I love seeing what Dion Sanders is doing with Shada and Shiloh. We as African Americans don't get a chance to see this. You just mentioned Eli and all of those guys. They always done that, They've always protected and had people protecting them. I'm glad to see the African American parents having these presenting these lanes to their kids now, as like like those other guys have.

Been happened in America for right.

But not not not over here on our side.

So I'm just glad that some people are getting the power do it now now.

I don't want to be controversial.

Avoid.

I love what he says that, y'all, Lord oh God.

Just played to get a record and then bailed on his team that I'm not sure if that sits well with me.

First of all. First of all, first of all.

These things that come out, he can will play just to get a record.

Stop stop.

The man played all year long, you know what I mean. So it's just to get record. He told coach, we're going to play the first half.

I want to.

I want to. You know, the first thing I thought about when I said when when I heard this, I thought about Alan Iverson.

I said, practice right, it's the park Tart Bowl. I'm talking about the park Tart Bowl, the park Tark Bowl, you know what I mean.

This This ain't that we ain't talking about the twelve team playoffs. We ain't talking about if college football playoff.

We're not even talking about the Citrus Boy, were not even talking about.

We're talking about the pop Tark Bowl. The man popped in the pop Tart Bowl. That's all you can expect for him. It's the park Tarp Bowl.

And he's gonna be a top four, four or.

Five picks in the draft.

And he put it all on the line and pop in the pop Tark Bowl.

Stop popping, stop popping. Just leave it alone.

We let it go, cut it out. But we gotta stop doing this though. We gotta stop. From the moment plays throw their last pass of running their last play in college, then oh god, we turn to drop them. You know, we build them up all through and now we're looking for the drop. Right here, y'all can stop that. Cam ain't dropping. And when ain't nobody thinking about that? We're talking about the part Tarp Bowl, y'allah, the part Tart Bowl.

Listen, it happened. I remember when Andrew Lucked. The layoff between your last college game to the draft is so long, people, I mean, I remember Andrew Luck. They were like, I don't like his arm.

The finding things, You're gonna find things?

Stop?

What do you mean like I enjoyed his arm? May stop?

I don't know if he loves the game, stop, let's stop finding ways to bring people down.

Bring these kids down where they're in.

Their most precious and most incredible time of the of their life.

Okay, so the part tart Bowl.

Now, don't y'all come on, man, don't do that to us. Don't do that to us.

Mike McCarthy had a pretty good December. Cooper Rush pretty good. Obviously, this team has issues. What do we do with the Cowboys?

Michael?

What's job one? What is what do you do with the Cowboys?

Man?

And and when I see a seventy nine record, and and and you see what how that game played out Sunday, you start saying, well, okay, wow, I know that everybody felt good about do you Simber and all that stuff. I still say it was too little, too late, but but but right right here, right here. Then everybody starts jumping this for me, this kind is again kind of game. It writes this December. I don't you can't tell me, oh, we play good in December. And then and then the backups to the to the to the team, their backups playing your backups, and they put up a forty burger on you, and you look like the way you look, so I think, yeah, this makes this takes away some of the things that you have, which McCarthy, yes, I would, Yes, I would. I just think it's time to go in another direction, you know. And I hear these late this late search to maybe going to stay with Mike McCarthy.

I'm not on that. I'm not on that bandwager.

I just what I believe is this team needs more discipline. I don't I'm not saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach. Exs and O's coach, you know, but but I think the team needs more discipline. And sometimes and it's hard to bring that in when you say, okay, this guy who doesn't have that firm hand in discipline is now going to either bring somebody else in to help them.

It's easier to be.

The tough dad and lighten up and either.

Than the Wade Phillips were ice cream for breakfast over.

You can't come in soft and then try to get tough rap. You got to come in tough and then and then lighten up because then the guys will feel like they've earned some respect and earn you lighting lighting them. But now if you're loosening up a little bit. But if you come in loose, and and and and I don't want to say soft, but you know what I mean.

Players, coch players y try to.

Get firm, you just you just get flat.

Okay, I want you to go back to your cowboy days. The Chargers they're gonna have a buye. Would you play starters or not? Did you want to take a week Chargers chief? No, I'm talking of Chiefs. So the Chiefs bad are going into the playoffs. Belichick was always a let's play the guys. Tony Duneye was like, you know, if I can give an old safety time off, where do you land on this?

And Jimmy was always let's play the guys.

And Jimmy would always say we were playing the guys because Jimmy didn't want to lose the week of practice. See see when you co in did this week? Ay, now everybody's talking about we're gonna sit out, Chiefs got this game, a bye next week after that game, I mean you're talking about forever.

Right.

That's for Upbird, for.

All of those teams you just mentioned, for those Dallas Cowboys team because we played the timing offense. Troy hit that third step, fifth step, let that ball go for For all the New England teams, all of that timing stuff that they do not and I'm sorry to tell everybody out there, but they want to.

Infect Kanadas's City chief. There's not a timing offense.

This is an offense that is built between Travis Kelcey and Patrick Mahomes and there is no timing on it.

That's why it's been impossible to stop because you can't figure out the timing. When he's supposed to do yick, he does jack. When he's supposed to do.

Yan, he does yang.

That's what Travis Kelsey is timing to.

It's it's We're going to find where you are not and I'm going to go to that spot.

And look and they win like that. Look at their wide receiver unit. They have different guys every week every.

Week, and and now even though they had every different guys every week, they still they barely want those games.

I want people will getting He saying, man, should we keep kanas City up there?

Because they're barely winning these games?

Do you know all of these games come down to this.

I had Minnesota over Green Bay yesterday right went in it was minus one, you know, And I'm okay, I got Minnesota minus one, and I'm watching the game.

We have seventeen in I'm like it, it's over. It's over, and we go up twenty seven seventeen. It's over. Next thing you know, it's twenty five twenty seven.

I'm sweating like a monk.

I got it. All comes down to this. Every one of them comes down to this. If you can win.

Late, you can win great in this league because they all come down well.

And all the teams that make the playoffs, almost all of them have great quarterbacks, meaning you go into a little bit of a prevent defense, you soften cup a rash. They're just it's a round. They're just gonna go eight yards twelve eighteen. Jordan Love just boom boom boom.

Okay, right, Jaydon Daniels, Yeah.

Okay, finally set up for this. So I'm I am understand players. If I was a coach and a player could get a record, I would try to do it. If it's super close, I'm just gonna call plays to win the game. But if it's like Cowboys getting thumped, I want Saquon Barkley to get a record. I get it. Players have bonuses. But now all of a sudden sake, so I got Jalen Hurts beat up Saquon Barkley. I think running backs different. I wouldn't play him this week. Now, now, left tackle, Mike linebacker, wide receiver, do you play Barkley if you don't have to this week?

You know? And this this is a tough decision.

This tough decision because let's be real here, Well, a running back position is in the league on the whole. I'm sure wants to go and try to help that whole position, not just him. By getting this record, it kind of reintroduced the year of the running back and we can call this the year of the running backers. Two running backs that moved and made major differences and both off instance. So yes, this is a forty year record. What I love most, What I love most, and I gotta say, this is how coach Syrianni handle it. He say, hey, we're going to do what the team wants to do.

Let me tell you why.

That's very important because he's saying, I'm not breaking the psyche or what they want, what they want to accomplish in that locker room. They went in that game yesterday the game Sunday saying we're going to get you over two thousand against the durned dollars Cowboys. So so so they set their mind and win and got it done. If they're setting their mind to give him the record, I want to be right there with them because that means every time after we set our mind to get him the record, we're gonna set our minds on the super Bowl. I want them to keep running right on the setting of their minds. You see what I mean. I'm gonna stay with that. That's why that's very important. Now all intents you would want to say, hey man, this man is too important to lose, but it's as important to lose that mentality that team's mentality is. It is an injury. So I love that he said I'm going to do what the team wants to do. Even though Jimmy A. Bill would have never said that, and we're gonna do what I want to do. They would have seen it. But I loved it. He says that it just stay in time, and I hope I do. Hope he gets it.

Yeah. I think things that. I think things have changed. I think players college players now get paid. I saw I saw a story, somebody said that every SEC.

Sequon is a guy you if anybody's going to get it, that's the guy you.

Want to get.

Think about this, though the world's changed, every SEC quarterback makes more than brock pretty in nil money. It's the player, right right, So listen, if he wants a record, that is you got to get him. If a guy can get the record, get him the record.

Get it, especially a record that's stood for forty years.

And also a guy that's a great guy, right, a great And Barkley is one of the least selfish guys in the league. He's never been about records, right.

And and and you know he would be okay, yes you didn't, if you didn't change it. And I thought that I knew they went in and said we're gonna get this two thousand against the Dallas Cowboys. And I'm gonna say this now, if if that would have been if that was one of those games like last year where that game came down to between Dallas and Philadelphia for the NFC East and Barkley went over two thousand, that would have pushed him right on in front for the m v P. Because you know, because of the eyes, it's kind of like the Heisman Trophy. Now as you get down towards the end, it's who who did I see play great late?

Yes, I'm cars Carson.

Yep, yep that year in Cincinnati, And that's exactly how these things so. So yeah, that would have been a meaningful game. I think Sacon could have snatched the m v P yesterday.

And can we leave you with this. It was the pop tart Bowl. Chill out, folks, the pop tart bowl. The man popped in and the pop tart bowl. And now you want to mess with them, pop in with that stuff.

Just pop out of here with the

Pop tark back in l after this pop Tart Bowl, I

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