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Here we are. It is super full week Friday from the Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana. We are live as we were yesterday, as we are ready for Philadelphia and Kansas City, which I think is going to be an old China and at the Super Bowl. Michael Luvin will join us today among others. Jmak Here we are on the Friday before and so you know, we have a couple of weeks to talk about this game. This is our this is our last premble before it gets underway. I think most people think Philadelphia's got the best team roster, Kansas City's got the legendary quarterback and coach. But I do want to start my show talking about a player that can't beat Kansas City, at least when it matters Josh Allen. So Josh Allen won the MVP last night, even though Lamar Jackson beat him head to head in the regular season, Lamar out played him on that game. Lamar had better stats, Lamar had a better passer rating, and Josh Allen won. And I have absolutely no problem with it because I don't think twenty years from now will be saying, man, do you remember the year they gifted Josh Allen the MVP. Listen, There's two reasons why I would have given it to Josh Allen narrowly. Number one is when Derrick Henry arrived in Baltimore, defenses playing the Ravens had to make choices and concessions, and many times it felt like the key to that team was not Lamar Jackson, it was Derreck Henry, and defensive coordinators had to make choices with the number two rushing running back in the NFL. In most years, Derreck Henry would have led the NFL in rushing if not for Sakeuon Barkley's all time year. As much as Josh Allen got support from James Cook, he was the sixteenth leading rusher in the league receiving corps. They lost upon Diggs, yet he won ten of his last twelve one pick after December. First, I think and again, when you play the Bills, there is one and one mission only and that is to stop Josh Allen. When you played the Ravens this year, some teams made the choice to concentrate on Derrick Henry. That of course opened things up a bit for Lamar Jackson. And the second thing is not all MVPs look the same. And we all know that awards are subjective. I mean, Aaron Rodgers has four of these puppies, Tom Brady's got three. There was a year that joeb To Philadelphia was gifted an MVP over Jokic because people felt Jokic had won two he shouldn't win three straight before the Nuggets even have a title. They did later that year, and Westbrook got an MVP because it was a good story. He had a bunch of triple doubles. That doesn't mean you win a lot of games, but it does mean something. And KD had dumped him and it felt like, man, this poor guy's he's stranded on the OKC island. So they gave him one. And I think we get to a point seven years of Josh Allen. Since he entered the league, this has mostly been the powerhouse offense, and he has been so great for so long. It was time. I think back to one of my favorite movies of all time, as Goodfellas. Martin Scorsese was the director. He did not win an Oscar for it. I think it's his best piece of art, his best piece of work. He didn't get it, and he'd been doing great movies forever, and so he came out with The Departed, very good movie. I don't think it's an all timer. I like it top thirty. Goodfella's Top three, and they gave him the Oscar for it. It was just too good for too long and if you really boil it down, and I know you don't want awards to be like that. And Lamar's got better stats. They all look different, they come in different shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the story plus the stats, but if you look at some numbers, he's the first player ever five straight seasons of forty plus touchdowns, and it's just recently that he actually got a really elite weapon, James Cook. That's their elite weapon. And for the record, he was sixteenth in the NFL in rushing. So in seven years, he's got the most wins, he's got the most total touchdowns, he's got the most total yards through any NFL player, including Patrick Mahomes first seven years, it was just time time for Josh Allen to win the MVP, his first, and here he was.

Here we are. It is super full week Friday from the Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana. We are live as we were yesterday, as we are ready for Philadelphia and Kansas City, which I think is going to be an old China and at the Super Bowl. Michael Luvin will join us today among others. Jmak Here we are on the Friday before and so you know, we have a couple of weeks to talk about this game. This is our this is our last premble before it gets underway. I think most people think Philadelphia's got the best team roster, Kansas City's got the legendary quarterback and coach. But I do want to start my show talking about a player that can't beat Kansas City, at least when it matters Josh Allen. So Josh Allen won the MVP last night, even though Lamar Jackson beat him head to head in the regular season, Lamar out played him on that game. Lamar had better stats, Lamar had a better passer rating, and Josh Allen won. And I have absolutely no problem with it because I don't think twenty years from now will be saying, man, do you remember the year they gifted Josh Allen the MVP. Listen, There's two reasons why I would have given it to Josh Allen narrowly. Number one is when Derrick Henry arrived in Baltimore, defenses playing the Ravens had to make choices and concessions, and many times it felt like the key to that team was not Lamar Jackson, it was Derreck Henry, and defensive coordinators had to make choices with the number two rushing running back in the NFL. In most years, Derreck Henry would have led the NFL in rushing if not for Sakeuon Barkley's all time year. As much as Josh Allen got support from James Cook, he was the sixteenth leading rusher in the league receiving corps. They lost upon Diggs, yet he won ten of his last twelve one pick after December. First, I think and again, when you play the Bills, there is one and one mission only and that is to stop Josh Allen. When you played the Ravens this year, some teams made the choice to concentrate on Derrick Henry. That of course opened things up a bit for Lamar Jackson. And the second thing is not all MVPs look the same. And we all know that awards are subjective. I mean, Aaron Rodgers has four of these puppies, Tom Brady's got three. There was a year that joeb To Philadelphia was gifted an MVP over Jokic because people felt Jokic had won two he shouldn't win three straight before the Nuggets even have a title. They did later that year, and Westbrook got an MVP because it was a good story. He had a bunch of triple doubles. That doesn't mean you win a lot of games, but it does mean something. And KD had dumped him and it felt like, man, this poor guy's he's stranded on the OKC island. So they gave him one. And I think we get to a point seven years of Josh Allen. Since he entered the league, this has mostly been the powerhouse offense, and he has been so great for so long. It was time. I think back to one of my favorite movies of all time, as Goodfellas. Martin Scorsese was the director. He did not win an Oscar for it. I think it's his best piece of art, his best piece of work. He didn't get it, and he'd been doing great movies forever, and so he came out with The Departed, very good movie. I don't think it's an all timer. I like it top thirty. Goodfella's Top three, and they gave him the Oscar for it. It was just too good for too long and if you really boil it down, and I know you don't want awards to be like that. And Lamar's got better stats. They all look different, they come in different shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the story plus the stats, but if you look at some numbers, he's the first player ever five straight seasons of forty plus touchdowns, and it's just recently that he actually got a really elite weapon, James Cook. That's their elite weapon. And for the record, he was sixteenth in the NFL in rushing. So in seven years, he's got the most wins, he's got the most total touchdowns, he's got the most total yards through any NFL player, including Patrick Mahomes first seven years, it was just time time for Josh Allen to win the MVP, his first, and here he was.

I know this is as an individual award, and it says most Valuable Player on it, but I think it's derived from team success and I love my team beat off. Thank you for presenting. I really appreciate it. We got such a great locker room in Buffalo, and it takes everybody from the equipment staff to the training room, to the strength staff, to Slick Rick in the mail room, to the cafeteria upstairs. Like it truly takes everybody to half team success. And I'm so fortunate to be a part of a great organization.

I know this is as an individual award, and it says most Valuable Player on it, but I think it's derived from team success and I love my team beat off. Thank you for presenting. I really appreciate it. We got such a great locker room in Buffalo, and it takes everybody from the equipment staff to the training room, to the strength staff, to Slick Rick in the mail room, to the cafeteria upstairs. Like it truly takes everybody to half team success. And I'm so fortunate to be a part of a great organization.

Nobody is gonna feel twenty thirty years from now. This was gifted like Scorsese's time. So I know it's Super Bowl week, but the NBA does have its trade deadline during Super Bowl Week. I don't think it's the best time to have it. I would have it next week. I'd move it, just like the NFL has moved free agency teams all the time, alter their calendar. If I was the NBA and wanted more publicity, I'd do it next week. But this week there have been big trades and nobody's benefited more than Lebron James. Last night he had forty two points, to the most points ever for an old guy at forty in the NBA. I don't know what it is I think I do, but he is forty and Lebron, like Bill Belichick, has a new relationship and let's just say he's got to bounce in his step. He is three and oho since the Luca trade, and I think we forget this about the greats. When you're great, things can come easier.

Nobody is gonna feel twenty thirty years from now. This was gifted like Scorsese's time. So I know it's Super Bowl week, but the NBA does have its trade deadline during Super Bowl Week. I don't think it's the best time to have it. I would have it next week. I'd move it, just like the NFL has moved free agency teams all the time, alter their calendar. If I was the NBA and wanted more publicity, I'd do it next week. But this week there have been big trades and nobody's benefited more than Lebron James. Last night he had forty two points, to the most points ever for an old guy at forty in the NBA. I don't know what it is I think I do, but he is forty and Lebron, like Bill Belichick, has a new relationship and let's just say he's got to bounce in his step. He is three and oho since the Luca trade, and I think we forget this about the greats. When you're great, things can come easier.

Now.

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I'm not insinuating it's not hard work, But for a Mahomes and an MJ and a Lebron and a Messy, there's boredom, there's monotony, there's tedium. Lebron's played in over fifteen hundred regular season games. Lebron has played three and a half seasons of just playoff games. This season, even with ad and Austin Reeves and JJ Reddick kind of honestly felt like a train to nowhere. They weren't athletic enough, they weren't dynamic enough. Anthony Davis didn't really want to play the five, he'd rather play the four. Dalton connects fun but can't defend. They didn't have enough shooters, they didn't have enough defenders. And then Luca and Mark Williams happened. And the Lakers are younger, they're born dynamic, and they feel like they could win an NBA championship. All still favor Boston, but I think they match up pretty well with OKC. And I think Lebron's ride into the sunset in the last three to four days has taken a sharp u turn, and I think he's more engaged. He's always been committed, he's more inspired, And I think when you're an all time great, there's this work ethic to become legendary and iconic. But I mean, when Michael Jordan's planned the you know, the new Raptors who just got a new franchise, you think he's as inspired as he is playing the Celtics or the Piss The answer is no. And I felt like Lebron, not that he was coasting, not that he's not committed, but it shows you when inspired what Lebron looks like, and you know, it's I think a lot of times for Lebron and Brady was like this too. But in football you get one game a week. In basketball, you're in a road trip to Memphis, you go to Orlando. On the way back, we face Houston. They just all mushed together. But Lebron is playing. I mean, this is the best basketball Lebron has played in the last couple of weeks. It's year twenty two, it feels like year twelve. He's not going to do it back to back. He's not going to be as good defensively, he's not going to chase you down and block those shots off the backboard like he did in the first six years in the league. But dude, last night he was not only inspired. That was the best steph has played all year. He's averaging twenty eight and nine and shooting the lights out in January and fed and the last three games cap by last night have been absolutely special. And here was Lebron.

I'm not insinuating it's not hard work, But for a Mahomes and an MJ and a Lebron and a Messy, there's boredom, there's monotony, there's tedium. Lebron's played in over fifteen hundred regular season games. Lebron has played three and a half seasons of just playoff games. This season, even with ad and Austin Reeves and JJ Reddick kind of honestly felt like a train to nowhere. They weren't athletic enough, they weren't dynamic enough. Anthony Davis didn't really want to play the five, he'd rather play the four. Dalton connects fun but can't defend. They didn't have enough shooters, they didn't have enough defenders. And then Luca and Mark Williams happened. And the Lakers are younger, they're born dynamic, and they feel like they could win an NBA championship. All still favor Boston, but I think they match up pretty well with OKC. And I think Lebron's ride into the sunset in the last three to four days has taken a sharp u turn, and I think he's more engaged. He's always been committed, he's more inspired, And I think when you're an all time great, there's this work ethic to become legendary and iconic. But I mean, when Michael Jordan's planned the you know, the new Raptors who just got a new franchise, you think he's as inspired as he is playing the Celtics or the Piss The answer is no. And I felt like Lebron, not that he was coasting, not that he's not committed, but it shows you when inspired what Lebron looks like, and you know, it's I think a lot of times for Lebron and Brady was like this too. But in football you get one game a week. In basketball, you're in a road trip to Memphis, you go to Orlando. On the way back, we face Houston. They just all mushed together. But Lebron is playing. I mean, this is the best basketball Lebron has played in the last couple of weeks. It's year twenty two, it feels like year twelve. He's not going to do it back to back. He's not going to be as good defensively, he's not going to chase you down and block those shots off the backboard like he did in the first six years in the league. But dude, last night he was not only inspired. That was the best steph has played all year. He's averaging twenty eight and nine and shooting the lights out in January and fed and the last three games cap by last night have been absolutely special. And here was Lebron.

After joining m J as the only two guys at forty plus club.

After joining m J as the only two guys at forty plus club.

You know, the biggest thing is that we got to winning, obviously, you know, but like throughout my journey. Anytime I've been named or in the category or whatever the case, cross paths with any of the grace is always humbling just to know where I come from.

You know, the biggest thing is that we got to winning, obviously, you know, but like throughout my journey. Anytime I've been named or in the category or whatever the case, cross paths with any of the grace is always humbling just to know where I come from.

And I love game so much, so it's pretty cool.

And I love game so much, so it's pretty cool.

Again, Like belichick new relationship got a little bounce. One guy's wearing the red jacket, one guy Laker gold. But it's different. It feels absolutely different. And Jamack knows that I appreciated Luca's talent, but I was always a little bit of a pushback on the conditioning in the defense, which Dallas eventually was as well. But I will say it again, this idea, it's almost like Lebron is showing off for Luca. He's like, hey, bro, uh, you can say you're the best player, and you may be the best player, but this is what I can do. This is Lebron. It's Lakers Extreme Makeover edition. That's what it feels like. And I do think even with ad there was a little bit of a train to nowhere feel this year, and you have to admit it does feel different.

Again, Like belichick new relationship got a little bounce. One guy's wearing the red jacket, one guy Laker gold. But it's different. It feels absolutely different. And Jamack knows that I appreciated Luca's talent, but I was always a little bit of a pushback on the conditioning in the defense, which Dallas eventually was as well. But I will say it again, this idea, it's almost like Lebron is showing off for Luca. He's like, hey, bro, uh, you can say you're the best player, and you may be the best player, but this is what I can do. This is Lebron. It's Lakers Extreme Makeover edition. That's what it feels like. And I do think even with ad there was a little bit of a train to nowhere feel this year, and you have to admit it does feel different.

By the way, Belichick wore all of his eight Super Bowl rings, or however many's at wore them last night when he was with his lady friend. Maybe Lebron needs to flex those trophies that he's got well for Luca remind him.

By the way, Belichick wore all of his eight Super Bowl rings, or however many's at wore them last night when he was with his lady friend. Maybe Lebron needs to flex those trophies that he's got well for Luca remind him.

But it does feel like last night's a little bit of a flex, a little bit of a flex. Michael Irvin's joining us. Diana Russini as well. I've got my Super Bowl pick top and next hour feels strongly about it. J Max got his as well.

But it does feel like last night's a little bit of a flex, a little bit of a flex. Michael Irvin's joining us. Diana Russini as well. I've got my Super Bowl pick top and next hour feels strongly about it. J Max got his as well.

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App Welcome Back to New Orleans, home of the Saints, among other things from the NF. Speaking of the NFC, there is a team in the NFC that has a play called the Tush Push. It's highly effective, boring. They've been rewarded by it, but according to Mike Pereira, he thinks the NFL and the Competition Committee may get rid of it.

App Welcome Back to New Orleans, home of the Saints, among other things from the NF. Speaking of the NFC, there is a team in the NFC that has a play called the Tush Push. It's highly effective, boring. They've been rewarded by it, but according to Mike Pereira, he thinks the NFL and the Competition Committee may get rid of it.

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Now.

People in Philadelphia don't want to hear that. But after that Washington Commander's Philadelphia Eagles moment in the Super Bowl where at one point they considered, because the Commanders were jumping off sides, they were going to just award a team of touchdown, which I didn't know was a rule until Mike Perera on the air said it was a rule. So here's the way I look at it. The NFL, to its core, is always understood it's a television show. Baseball sometimes has to be reminded of it. The NBA similarly, not the NFL. They changed rules for catches in that Eagles Patriot super Bowl, and they don't like automatic plays. They changed the kickoff this year. People thought it looked weird. We got over it. They changed the PA te people thought it was odd. We got used to it. In the end, especially if it's aesthetically boring. This is a television show, they're gonna get rid of it. Listen, if the tush push was great TV, then rugby in America would be much more popular, because that's what it is. And I hear this, Colin, You have got to give Philadelphia credit. They invented it. Now, they didn't invent it, they perfected it. So what even the IRS gets rid of loopholes that have been used for thirty forty and fifty years. At some point, if something feels like a cheat code, IRS swoops in. The NBA did it with hack Ashack I can remember covering a Laker series against the Portland Trailblazers and they employed the hack Ashack series. It so bothered the Lakers and their fans that Mike Dunlavey, the coach of Portland, had to have security around it. People were enraged by it, but it was the right thing to do. Baseball did it. The defensive shift a bit of a cheat code. A lot of guys like Bryce Harper lining out instead of getting on base. Baseball said, yeah, it works, but it makes our game more boring. We want Bryce Harper on second base, not in the dugout. That's why they did it. Networks came to him and said, you know what, your game's getting slow. The Stars aren't on base. Change it. They did legal for a long time, so was Hackashack. And in the end, Philadelphia has been rewarded by it, and there's one with it and has been to a couple of Super Bowls with it. They didn't stop it immediately, they didn't put their foot down. They allowed them to use it for years. But it's become very automatic and automatic and bad TV and NFL fans watch on television, not in the stands, and for industries that don't adjust, like taxis, newspapers and the Democratic Party recently, you get into trouble, right, you got to adjust. Mark Murphy, smart guy where the Green Bay Packers says he doesn't like it because there's really no skill involved. And that's where I think it does feel a little bit like the Pat. Like the Pat, now you get to December and January and it's a little windy. The better kickers, Harrison Bucker's fine, a lot of average kickers are not. There is skill in kicking. There wasn't a ton of skill in a professional football kicker. With the old Pat. It was kind of a three foot putt for Tiger Woods. Like it just isn't challenging Pat. Now, bad weather on late October early November is challenging even for good kickers. So I like it. And remember, the NBA is seriously considering something right now that people really like within reason, the three point shot. The NBA is considering Adam Silver. They're considering implementing new limitations and rules on something now that dominates the game. That would be like saying in the NFL we got too much passing, We've got a curb passing, and I agree with the NBA. There's too many repetitive, monotonous cookie cutter, too many threes. But this is bad TV. So was the defensive shift, so was the hack of Shack. I have no problem with the lead allowing maybe two of them a game max to a game three pointers fifteen a game eighteen a game max to TV product above everything.

People in Philadelphia don't want to hear that. But after that Washington Commander's Philadelphia Eagles moment in the Super Bowl where at one point they considered, because the Commanders were jumping off sides, they were going to just award a team of touchdown, which I didn't know was a rule until Mike Perera on the air said it was a rule. So here's the way I look at it. The NFL, to its core, is always understood it's a television show. Baseball sometimes has to be reminded of it. The NBA similarly, not the NFL. They changed rules for catches in that Eagles Patriot super Bowl, and they don't like automatic plays. They changed the kickoff this year. People thought it looked weird. We got over it. They changed the PA te people thought it was odd. We got used to it. In the end, especially if it's aesthetically boring. This is a television show, they're gonna get rid of it. Listen, if the tush push was great TV, then rugby in America would be much more popular, because that's what it is. And I hear this, Colin, You have got to give Philadelphia credit. They invented it. Now, they didn't invent it, they perfected it. So what even the IRS gets rid of loopholes that have been used for thirty forty and fifty years. At some point, if something feels like a cheat code, IRS swoops in. The NBA did it with hack Ashack I can remember covering a Laker series against the Portland Trailblazers and they employed the hack Ashack series. It so bothered the Lakers and their fans that Mike Dunlavey, the coach of Portland, had to have security around it. People were enraged by it, but it was the right thing to do. Baseball did it. The defensive shift a bit of a cheat code. A lot of guys like Bryce Harper lining out instead of getting on base. Baseball said, yeah, it works, but it makes our game more boring. We want Bryce Harper on second base, not in the dugout. That's why they did it. Networks came to him and said, you know what, your game's getting slow. The Stars aren't on base. Change it. They did legal for a long time, so was Hackashack. And in the end, Philadelphia has been rewarded by it, and there's one with it and has been to a couple of Super Bowls with it. They didn't stop it immediately, they didn't put their foot down. They allowed them to use it for years. But it's become very automatic and automatic and bad TV and NFL fans watch on television, not in the stands, and for industries that don't adjust, like taxis, newspapers and the Democratic Party recently, you get into trouble, right, you got to adjust. Mark Murphy, smart guy where the Green Bay Packers says he doesn't like it because there's really no skill involved. And that's where I think it does feel a little bit like the Pat. Like the Pat, now you get to December and January and it's a little windy. The better kickers, Harrison Bucker's fine, a lot of average kickers are not. There is skill in kicking. There wasn't a ton of skill in a professional football kicker. With the old Pat. It was kind of a three foot putt for Tiger Woods. Like it just isn't challenging Pat. Now, bad weather on late October early November is challenging even for good kickers. So I like it. And remember, the NBA is seriously considering something right now that people really like within reason, the three point shot. The NBA is considering Adam Silver. They're considering implementing new limitations and rules on something now that dominates the game. That would be like saying in the NFL we got too much passing, We've got a curb passing, and I agree with the NBA. There's too many repetitive, monotonous cookie cutter, too many threes. But this is bad TV. So was the defensive shift, so was the hack of Shack. I have no problem with the lead allowing maybe two of them a game max to a game three pointers fifteen a game eighteen a game max to TV product above everything.

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That's Covino and Rich was thinking about this.

That's Covino and Rich was thinking about this.

We were sitting around throwing ideas around this morning, and I've been watching the NBA since the early seventies. I've said this before. I remember the Lakers when they had number three Elmore Smith at center. How's that for all time Laker trivia. I watched them in the early seventies. I remember the Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Wilt wearing a headband. It's one of the first memories. I grew up on seventies NBA and Wilt was a great player, but I never felt Wilt changed the NBA. I think there's only been in my lifetime Moses Malone was a great player. George Gervin was a great player. Kevin Durant's a great player. I don't think they changed the NBA. I think there's been seven, six or seven guys that have changed the league. Kareem Abdil Jabbar, Magic and Bird Shaq Lebron Steph Curry feels like it. I thought, as great as Kobe was, he was MJ light, I didn't think he changed the league. And I was thinking about that in football. What the Chiefs have become now. It's weird in football. If you talk about who's changed the league, it is always, in my opinion, it always feels like a quarterback with a certain coach. I thought Bradshaw and Chuck Knowle changed the league. Bradshaw super talented quarterback and a defensive minded conservative coach. I thought Bill Walsh and Joe Montana changed the league. The West Coast offense. I think you could say you could argue the way Jimmy Johnson aggressively made trades like nobody done before that. Jimmy Johnson and eight when the Cowboy team changed the league. I think Belichick and Brady did. I think Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are changing the league. And again, just think how remarkably well built and gifted Buffalo and Baltimore are, and it's shrinking their careers. They've been marginalized. They don't feel special, though we know in any other era they may be the ones holding the trophies. So if you go back to that twenty twenty one Kansas City lost to Joe Burrow at Arrowhead. Since that time, Kansas City essentially wins every big game they played, and they win many the same way, really close, and it feels like they've been on a little bit of a Tom Hanks run. I'm sure you guys all remember this. Tom Hanks had like a ten year run and it started with like Sleepless in Seattle. It was a league of their own Philadelphia Forrest Gump. He went on a ten year run that ended with about catch me if you can. There were no misses like they network, just no missus every year. I mean, you almost felt guilty if you're voting for the Oscars. It's like, we've given Tom enough. And that's where I think Kansas City is and the NFL. And you can really tell because the NFL fans are so tribal and so passionate. Basically, if you can't beat him, blame the league. That was a real Shaq Kobe thing. That was a Warrior's Michael Jordan thing. Wow, the league's changing rules. It's the league. That's when you know you're in a different place. And I, by the way, I felt Steven Spielberg's a little bit like this Et Jaws Indiana Jones. And then the breadth of his work expands with Shindler's list. And Nick Wright and I were talking about this yesterday, is that it's one thing for Mahomes, Tyreek Hill and he's playing a little bit of Big twelve football with Andy Reid. They're scoring a lot of points. It's twenty four point quarters. That's not what Mahomes is now. And Nick Wright talked about the growth and the breadth of what Mahomes now creates.

We were sitting around throwing ideas around this morning, and I've been watching the NBA since the early seventies. I've said this before. I remember the Lakers when they had number three Elmore Smith at center. How's that for all time Laker trivia. I watched them in the early seventies. I remember the Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Wilt wearing a headband. It's one of the first memories. I grew up on seventies NBA and Wilt was a great player, but I never felt Wilt changed the NBA. I think there's only been in my lifetime Moses Malone was a great player. George Gervin was a great player. Kevin Durant's a great player. I don't think they changed the NBA. I think there's been seven, six or seven guys that have changed the league. Kareem Abdil Jabbar, Magic and Bird Shaq Lebron Steph Curry feels like it. I thought, as great as Kobe was, he was MJ light, I didn't think he changed the league. And I was thinking about that in football. What the Chiefs have become now. It's weird in football. If you talk about who's changed the league, it is always, in my opinion, it always feels like a quarterback with a certain coach. I thought Bradshaw and Chuck Knowle changed the league. Bradshaw super talented quarterback and a defensive minded conservative coach. I thought Bill Walsh and Joe Montana changed the league. The West Coast offense. I think you could say you could argue the way Jimmy Johnson aggressively made trades like nobody done before that. Jimmy Johnson and eight when the Cowboy team changed the league. I think Belichick and Brady did. I think Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are changing the league. And again, just think how remarkably well built and gifted Buffalo and Baltimore are, and it's shrinking their careers. They've been marginalized. They don't feel special, though we know in any other era they may be the ones holding the trophies. So if you go back to that twenty twenty one Kansas City lost to Joe Burrow at Arrowhead. Since that time, Kansas City essentially wins every big game they played, and they win many the same way, really close, and it feels like they've been on a little bit of a Tom Hanks run. I'm sure you guys all remember this. Tom Hanks had like a ten year run and it started with like Sleepless in Seattle. It was a league of their own Philadelphia Forrest Gump. He went on a ten year run that ended with about catch me if you can. There were no misses like they network, just no missus every year. I mean, you almost felt guilty if you're voting for the Oscars. It's like, we've given Tom enough. And that's where I think Kansas City is and the NFL. And you can really tell because the NFL fans are so tribal and so passionate. Basically, if you can't beat him, blame the league. That was a real Shaq Kobe thing. That was a Warrior's Michael Jordan thing. Wow, the league's changing rules. It's the league. That's when you know you're in a different place. And I, by the way, I felt Steven Spielberg's a little bit like this Et Jaws Indiana Jones. And then the breadth of his work expands with Shindler's list. And Nick Wright and I were talking about this yesterday, is that it's one thing for Mahomes, Tyreek Hill and he's playing a little bit of Big twelve football with Andy Reid. They're scoring a lot of points. It's twenty four point quarters. That's not what Mahomes is now. And Nick Wright talked about the growth and the breadth of what Mahomes now creates.

What is remarkable about Patrick singularly is his ability, this early in his career to identify the exact type of quarterback that team needs that season or that game and be that quarterback. When he got there, it was, well, we have the twenty ninth defense in football, so it better be bombs away at all times. They trade Tyreek Hill and It's like, Okay, we still have Prime Kelsey, we have good weapons, but we can't stretch the field. I'm gonna dink and dunk my way to the most yards any players ever had in the season. Broke Drew Brees' record that year, win the MVP. Last couple of years. Our wide receiver corps last year was not good. This year banged up. We're gonna have to be a possession based offense, lean on the defense.

What is remarkable about Patrick singularly is his ability, this early in his career to identify the exact type of quarterback that team needs that season or that game and be that quarterback. When he got there, it was, well, we have the twenty ninth defense in football, so it better be bombs away at all times. They trade Tyreek Hill and It's like, Okay, we still have Prime Kelsey, we have good weapons, but we can't stretch the field. I'm gonna dink and dunk my way to the most yards any players ever had in the season. Broke Drew Brees' record that year, win the MVP. Last couple of years. Our wide receiver corps last year was not good. This year banged up. We're gonna have to be a possession based offense, lean on the defense.

He can do that.

He can do that.

I'd never it was not.

I'd never it was not.

The only other.

The only other.

Quarterback who I saw could do that was late stage Tom Tom in that fourteen to eighteen run. And then well I guess further than that, you know, with Tampa, whatever version that team needed, he could be. But Tom was thirty five years old when that started. Patrick's twenty nine and already doing it.

Quarterback who I saw could do that was late stage Tom Tom in that fourteen to eighteen run. And then well I guess further than that, you know, with Tampa, whatever version that team needed, he could be. But Tom was thirty five years old when that started. Patrick's twenty nine and already doing it.

Yeah, there's no question his self awareness and his ability to play different ways. Never quite seen anything like it.

Yeah, there's no question his self awareness and his ability to play different ways. Never quite seen anything like it.

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I like Kansas City, and here's why Chris iv one cheeze versus Egos. They are twelve and oher in games decided by one score this year. I think it's a one score football game. They are very good in close games, not a lot of blowouts. I don't foresee a blowout. I think that helps. They've won thirty seven straight games when winning the turnover battle. But by the way, even when other teams don't turn it over, they're seven to zero, so they've beaten perfect teams. They have twelve comebacks this season. I think it's reasonable to assume both teams could trail their offense one turnover in nine games. I also think Andy Reid off a bye in my lifetime, is the best coach in league history, and this constitutes a bye Philadelphia. Meanwhile, not as many close games. They haven't trailed much as a pure pocket pass in his career. When trailing with four minutes or less, Jalen Hurts completion percentage is under fifty percent. I think it's going to be a clean game. I think it's going to be a close game. I think it's gonna be a high scoring game. This is an empty the bag coaching and player game. You let everything go. And I have seen too many close games with Andy Reid and Mahomes leading or trailing. And the one thing Mahomes does that only Tom Brady truly duplicated, duplicated, maybe a little John Elway. I can never tell what the score is. Pressure is not a burden, and I do feel like coach quarterback, I've got a clear edge. I like Kansas City thirty Philadelphia twenty seven, Super Bowl fifty nine, DraftKings Sportsbook, new customers Bet five, get two hundred and bonus bets instantly down Hollo the app. The promo code has heard to sign up like the Chiefs, buy a field goal in a highest scoring game. Michael Urban three super Bowls in the Hall of Famer, joining us. So you went to three Super Bowls in four years. Did you find it because you've always been not only a playmaker on the field, but good time Michael off the field, right, did you find when you were in the middle of that dynasty it was a little harder to focus on that third super Bowl in the fourth year.

I like Kansas City, and here's why Chris iv one cheeze versus Egos. They are twelve and oher in games decided by one score this year. I think it's a one score football game. They are very good in close games, not a lot of blowouts. I don't foresee a blowout. I think that helps. They've won thirty seven straight games when winning the turnover battle. But by the way, even when other teams don't turn it over, they're seven to zero, so they've beaten perfect teams. They have twelve comebacks this season. I think it's reasonable to assume both teams could trail their offense one turnover in nine games. I also think Andy Reid off a bye in my lifetime, is the best coach in league history, and this constitutes a bye Philadelphia. Meanwhile, not as many close games. They haven't trailed much as a pure pocket pass in his career. When trailing with four minutes or less, Jalen Hurts completion percentage is under fifty percent. I think it's going to be a clean game. I think it's going to be a close game. I think it's gonna be a high scoring game. This is an empty the bag coaching and player game. You let everything go. And I have seen too many close games with Andy Reid and Mahomes leading or trailing. And the one thing Mahomes does that only Tom Brady truly duplicated, duplicated, maybe a little John Elway. I can never tell what the score is. Pressure is not a burden, and I do feel like coach quarterback, I've got a clear edge. I like Kansas City thirty Philadelphia twenty seven, Super Bowl fifty nine, DraftKings Sportsbook, new customers Bet five, get two hundred and bonus bets instantly down Hollo the app. The promo code has heard to sign up like the Chiefs, buy a field goal in a highest scoring game. Michael Urban three super Bowls in the Hall of Famer, joining us. So you went to three Super Bowls in four years. Did you find it because you've always been not only a playmaker on the field, but good time Michael off the field, right, did you find when you were in the middle of that dynasty it was a little harder to focus on that third super Bowl in the fourth year.

You know what, that's a great question, but I did not find it difficult. You know, we had a group after going to those early years Colin, where we were three and thirteen, one in fifteen. In a few short years later now we're in Super Bowl. Or we never got tired of those. We remember getting our butts kicked all the time, you know, and having those team only meetings, and there's.

You know what, that's a great question, but I did not find it difficult. You know, we had a group after going to those early years Colin, where we were three and thirteen, one in fifteen. In a few short years later now we're in Super Bowl. Or we never got tired of those. We remember getting our butts kicked all the time, you know, and having those team only meetings, and there's.

Still coming out after that meeting getting your butt kick.

Still coming out after that meeting getting your butt kick.

So when you turned it around, No, we never got tired of it.

So when you turned it around, No, we never got tired of it.

It was always a great thing.

It was always a great thing.

To this day, if I'm with Troy and we're out, we still talk talk about, man, we should have one five man, we should have won four or five in a row, you know, so you still look back and think on that.

To this day, if I'm with Troy and we're out, we still talk talk about, man, we should have one five man, we should have won four or five in a row, you know, so you still look back and think on that.

So it blows my mind. And no, we didn't not get tired.

So it blows my mind. And no, we didn't not get tired.

Let me take these days off because I don't want everybody to think I was on Bourbon Street.

Let me take these days off because I don't want everybody to think I was on Bourbon Street.

I ain't gonna say I wasn't on Bourbon Street.

I ain't gonna say I wasn't on Bourbon Street.

But but you know what I mean, let me give you the real so you know, okay, you know what I'm saying, Colin, y'all know, go ahead on listen.

But but you know what I mean, let me give you the real so you know, okay, you know what I'm saying, Colin, y'all know, go ahead on listen.

There's a lot of cities to go to bed early, and we're not in one.

There's a lot of cities to go to bed early, and we're not in one.

Of I'm not in one of them. And you gotta know how super Bowl every day. I ain't doing that again to night.

Of I'm not in one of them. And you gotta know how super Bowl every day. I ain't doing that again to night.

And you do exactly what you said.

And you do exactly what you said.

You're not doing because you're running to everybody that you've known, all the people that we're in business with it. You know, it's just such a great time.

You're not doing because you're running to everybody that you've known, all the people that we're in business with it. You know, it's just such a great time.

So two weeks to prepare. Take me through Jimmy Johnson's prep. You don't want to bore the players. You want to add, you want to layer the preparation. Did you find Jimmy changed a little bit in these two week off spaces.

So two weeks to prepare. Take me through Jimmy Johnson's prep. You don't want to bore the players. You want to add, you want to layer the preparation. Did you find Jimmy changed a little bit in these two week off spaces.

No, No, Jimmy was Jimmy had a real good understanding of the men he was leading.

No, No, Jimmy was Jimmy had a real good understanding of the men he was leading.

Jimmy and I love him to this day, and I mention it.

Jimmy and I love him to this day, and I mention it.

People think a lot of things, but Jimmy understood we were boys, and he said, you know, we're going to get great work in this first week, great work, and then we're going to go out to the Super Bowl Sunday and no eyes or no primary girlfriends, none of them comes with us on Sunday, Sunday, Monday. I don't want to see any of them Tuesday, Wednesday, they can come on in. He would tell us, I want you guys to go have a little fun Sunday night. Have a little fun you get, get it out, get it out of your way, so we can focus on football. I thought that was brilliant because now you don't go the whole week thinking about what's going on out here. You add you a Sunday and Monday night. Now you can focus in. I'm talking about by the time Wednesday came around, we had to I swear you. We used to have practices or Super Bowl. They were the best practices I've ever seen. Not a ball hit the ground, and we were ready to play football.

People think a lot of things, but Jimmy understood we were boys, and he said, you know, we're going to get great work in this first week, great work, and then we're going to go out to the Super Bowl Sunday and no eyes or no primary girlfriends, none of them comes with us on Sunday, Sunday, Monday. I don't want to see any of them Tuesday, Wednesday, they can come on in. He would tell us, I want you guys to go have a little fun Sunday night. Have a little fun you get, get it out, get it out of your way, so we can focus on football. I thought that was brilliant because now you don't go the whole week thinking about what's going on out here. You add you a Sunday and Monday night. Now you can focus in. I'm talking about by the time Wednesday came around, we had to I swear you. We used to have practices or Super Bowl. They were the best practices I've ever seen. Not a ball hit the ground, and we were ready to play football.

It was smart.

It was smart.

Give them time to go, get all that stuff out, and then focus back in.

Give them time to go, get all that stuff out, and then focus back in.

So during the Akman Irvin Emmett days, all your games felt big. You were a big TV product. Super Bowls are different. And Michael, your your college games that that you were big, but are super Bowls? Even I don't I don't look at you as a guy that would.

So during the Akman Irvin Emmett days, all your games felt big. You were a big TV product. Super Bowls are different. And Michael, your your college games that that you were big, but are super Bowls? Even I don't I don't look at you as a guy that would.

Get nervous, none like it.

Get nervous, none like it.

But in a Super Bowl, did you ever look up at all the pictures and even you a little bit thinking I need to get hit, I need to run.

But in a Super Bowl, did you ever look up at all the pictures and even you a little bit thinking I need to get hit, I need to run.

A route.

A route.

Happening, And they're guys here right you can tell them until their ears fall off.

Happening, And they're guys here right you can tell them until their ears fall off.

You gotta be ready you're going to.

You gotta be ready you're going to.

Be calm yourself at the beginning of the game, You're going to high perventilate.

Be calm yourself at the beginning of the game, You're going to high perventilate.

I'm never been so tired as I was.

I'm never been so tired as I was.

Wanda U.

Wanda U.

It's Super Bowls.

It's Super Bowls.

I'm like, why am I this tired? I started thinking, did I do too much earlier on in the week? You know, But it's just your hyperventilating. You gotta think about it. This is the moment you played in your front yard talking about this. Oh your damn life, and it's about to happen. Emmon and I walked on the field together in Pasadena and all week because we were playing Buffalo and they had played in Super Bowls.

I'm like, why am I this tired? I started thinking, did I do too much earlier on in the week? You know, But it's just your hyperventilating. You gotta think about it. This is the moment you played in your front yard talking about this. Oh your damn life, and it's about to happen. Emmon and I walked on the field together in Pasadena and all week because we were playing Buffalo and they had played in Super Bowls.

You know, everybody's talking about experience. We said, it's a game. It's a game. I run a slant route.

You know, everybody's talking about experience. We said, it's a game. It's a game. I run a slant route.

I don't care if it's on a football field, Super Bowl or in your front damn yard. I'm gonna catch that slant route. I'm just talking all kind of noise. When I got to that game and then I walked on that field, our knees bucked.

I don't care if it's on a football field, Super Bowl or in your front damn yard. I'm gonna catch that slant route. I'm just talking all kind of noise. When I got to that game and then I walked on that field, our knees bucked.

I said, oh my god. Right. I looked at him, he said, I said, hey, man, did you feel that? He said yeah.

I said, oh my god. Right. I looked at him, he said, I said, hey, man, did you feel that? He said yeah.

I said, don't say anything because if they know we scared, they definitely gonna be scared.

I said, don't say anything because if they know we scared, they definitely gonna be scared.

Anxiety, but you you're going to have it.

Anxiety, but you you're going to have it.

It's impossible not to have.

It's impossible not to have.

And I'm telling you everybody's going to have it, even if you've been here before.

And I'm telling you everybody's going to have it, even if you've been here before.

Yeah. I can remember one of Brady's first Super Bowls Belichick. There's an old piece of video where Belichick's like, hey, settle down, Tom, right right right, right right right?

Yeah. I can remember one of Brady's first Super Bowls Belichick. There's an old piece of video where Belichick's like, hey, settle down, Tom, right right right, right right right?

You know it is you know what I love about Tom?

You know it is you know what I love about Tom?

Though.

Though.

I was with the one in New Orleans.

I was with the one in New Orleans.

One here, yeah, oh.

One here, yeah, oh.

New one said it was it.

New one said it was it.

I think Green Bay somebody beat a Bill Parcells, one of the team it beat him here. I remember Tom came over to me right after that and I was standing next I did the game. He came he said, hey, man, right after the game there just won. He said, what do I need to do to get back here? How do I win more? How do I do it? And I thought that was incredible. You know Patrick Mahomes last year, right after he won two, he said, I gotta get back here and win three in a row. That's what it takes. It's gotta be a mono manaio coatt to at it. Even one win is not enough, I won't the next win in the next one.

I think Green Bay somebody beat a Bill Parcells, one of the team it beat him here. I remember Tom came over to me right after that and I was standing next I did the game. He came he said, hey, man, right after the game there just won. He said, what do I need to do to get back here? How do I win more? How do I do it? And I thought that was incredible. You know Patrick Mahomes last year, right after he won two, he said, I gotta get back here and win three in a row. That's what it takes. It's gotta be a mono manaio coatt to at it. Even one win is not enough, I won't the next win in the next one.

So it's I always think one of the reasons I had Philadelphia winning their division, but they were really noisy, Nick Sirianni's noisy. But I do think there's an advantage because Jalen Hurts and Saquon are not, so they are two stars, kind of really reserved guys. I always thought the Cowboys worked because Jimmy and Troy let you guys be yourself. Were there times in the game or in moments during your because your team was always so big, there was a little bit of noise. Did I could see Jalen Hurts have to go to a j Browner? Did Troy ever have to lean on you and say, hey, playmaker? Did you ever go or did you have to be chaperone at all?

So it's I always think one of the reasons I had Philadelphia winning their division, but they were really noisy, Nick Sirianni's noisy. But I do think there's an advantage because Jalen Hurts and Saquon are not, so they are two stars, kind of really reserved guys. I always thought the Cowboys worked because Jimmy and Troy let you guys be yourself. Were there times in the game or in moments during your because your team was always so big, there was a little bit of noise. Did I could see Jalen Hurts have to go to a j Browner? Did Troy ever have to lean on you and say, hey, playmaker? Did you ever go or did you have to be chaperone at all?

Well? No, the funny party is the funny party here. See.

Well? No, the funny party is the funny party here. See.

See Troy was Troy was the straight guy. He was so focused and you know, so mature, and he was great about But I knew, I knew I couldn't get debate unless me and Roy was right. He's getting the pat Ball verse, he gotta throw it to me, so you had to be right right. Me and him was always right, he and I was always right now. I would get hit it with defensive linemen right like a Charles Man or somebody I'm yelling at, or Rich White in my office a line, Michael, stop making him mad.

See Troy was Troy was the straight guy. He was so focused and you know, so mature, and he was great about But I knew, I knew I couldn't get debate unless me and Roy was right. He's getting the pat Ball verse, he gotta throw it to me, so you had to be right right. Me and him was always right, he and I was always right now. I would get hit it with defensive linemen right like a Charles Man or somebody I'm yelling at, or Rich White in my office a line, Michael, stop making him mad.

You're not blocking him. You shut up right now.

You're not blocking him. You shut up right now.

Troy never had a problem with me, but those offensive linemen, they had a problem with me talking to the defensive alignment since I wasn't going to block them.

Troy never had a problem with me, but those offensive linemen, they had a problem with me talking to the defensive alignment since I wasn't going to block them.

When you're when you're a player, so you you were part of a dynasty, and Mahomes is part of a dynasty. More pressure earlier late? Do you think can I mean, when you when you first come to this thing, you don't know what to expect. Now all of a sudden, you're making a second trip, a third trip, a fourth trip. Did it feel different for you in your last Super Bowl than your first?

When you're when you're a player, so you you were part of a dynasty, and Mahomes is part of a dynasty. More pressure earlier late? Do you think can I mean, when you when you first come to this thing, you don't know what to expect. Now all of a sudden, you're making a second trip, a third trip, a fourth trip. Did it feel different for you in your last Super Bowl than your first?

You know what? And I always tell people, there's nothing like the first.

You know what? And I always tell people, there's nothing like the first.

There is nothing like the first, because it's that first time that you realize that childhood dream of playing in that front yard.

There is nothing like the first, because it's that first time that you realize that childhood dream of playing in that front yard.

But that second and third one as great.

But that second and third one as great.

You gotta understand that that's everybody in your head, in your mind.

You gotta understand that that's everybody in your head, in your mind.

Everybody in the world is focused on his game.

Everybody in the world is focused on his game.

That's never, that's never not a great situation for a real guy, real player like me, or the guy like Troy or guy like Patrick Mahomes, they look for that moment. You were talking about something earlier. You were talking about the pressure of playing in these kinds of games. And as you were saying, and I was thinking, you got it. The great ones have had an affair with pressure all of their careers. They sleep with it, eat with it, live with it. It's what makes them take It's an affair with press They're looking for pressure, so so they look for these moments. The Tom Brady's, the Patrick Mahomes, de Troy Amans. Those are the guys you love playing with.

That's never, that's never not a great situation for a real guy, real player like me, or the guy like Troy or guy like Patrick Mahomes, they look for that moment. You were talking about something earlier. You were talking about the pressure of playing in these kinds of games. And as you were saying, and I was thinking, you got it. The great ones have had an affair with pressure all of their careers. They sleep with it, eat with it, live with it. It's what makes them take It's an affair with press They're looking for pressure, so so they look for these moments. The Tom Brady's, the Patrick Mahomes, de Troy Amans. Those are the guys you love playing with.

So in these big moments, I mean a lot of the times that Mahomes has made a play in these games that is off script when he was all banged up, but he had a forty five year run. Do you get in pressurized moments? And it doesn't even have to be in a super Bowl? This game's tight, twenty eight all fourth quarter, six minutes left. Are there moments that there's a look, there's a wink, there's a that it's off script. Is every because you have so much time to prep It's the last game of the year. You've never been more prepared. Does that mean that we don't see moments where you go to Troy in the sideline like listen, I'm gonna change the route. Or was the game too big to do that?

So in these big moments, I mean a lot of the times that Mahomes has made a play in these games that is off script when he was all banged up, but he had a forty five year run. Do you get in pressurized moments? And it doesn't even have to be in a super Bowl? This game's tight, twenty eight all fourth quarter, six minutes left. Are there moments that there's a look, there's a wink, there's a that it's off script. Is every because you have so much time to prep It's the last game of the year. You've never been more prepared. Does that mean that we don't see moments where you go to Troy in the sideline like listen, I'm gonna change the route. Or was the game too big to do that?

No, no, no, no, we've done that because you play the game like you played the game. We annasced in a for our first NFC Championship game, Troy called this played eight ninety six. He called it four times in the game. Four times. Every time I run a bandate, Alvin Harper ran a coral route. On the other side, Jayno would take down the middle, that's the nine route. Every time he threw that ball, he threw it to the curl route. Dude, game was on the line. We were up by four. We needed this drive to put him on He called it again. Oh, he said, it's got right red. Right before he got the nine and the six out, I ran the album and spot him already gone. I'm changing the play right now. I ain't talking to newbody about this. The devil you throwing this ball to me? Troy was like, what are you doing? I said, wasn't the damn play I got it over here, and you know he snapped the ball because I went over there. That brought the double team to me. He throws the back slant, he throws the backside eight route the.

No, no, no, no, we've done that because you play the game like you played the game. We annasced in a for our first NFC Championship game, Troy called this played eight ninety six. He called it four times in the game. Four times. Every time I run a bandate, Alvin Harper ran a coral route. On the other side, Jayno would take down the middle, that's the nine route. Every time he threw that ball, he threw it to the curl route. Dude, game was on the line. We were up by four. We needed this drive to put him on He called it again. Oh, he said, it's got right red. Right before he got the nine and the six out, I ran the album and spot him already gone. I'm changing the play right now. I ain't talking to newbody about this. The devil you throwing this ball to me? Troy was like, what are you doing? I said, wasn't the damn play I got it over here, and you know he snapped the ball because I went over there. That brought the double team to me. He throws the back slant, he throws the backside eight route the.

Album and I'm like, I remember the play He's gone with my pot on the fly.

Album and I'm like, I remember the play He's gone with my pot on the fly.

I was like, that would have gotten me. Oh my god, you know, but I'm happy. I'm happy. And Troy we talked about a lady. He said, had you not done that, we still may not. We wouldn't have gotten that backside play. It would have been a different play. So thank god it worked out now a lot of times Charles Hayley, because you know, Charles Haley was Charles Haley and leon Let. Charles would tell leo Let, we're gonna we're gonna eight, We're gonna run a twist, the twist t twist.

I was like, that would have gotten me. Oh my god, you know, but I'm happy. I'm happy. And Troy we talked about a lady. He said, had you not done that, we still may not. We wouldn't have gotten that backside play. It would have been a different play. So thank god it worked out now a lot of times Charles Hayley, because you know, Charles Haley was Charles Haley and leon Let. Charles would tell leo Let, we're gonna we're gonna eight, We're gonna run a twist, the twist t twist.

And me and let no, me and coach didn't call that.

And me and let no, me and coach didn't call that.

Charles said, you either run it, ormnna run up your ass, right, you know, because they.

Charles said, you either run it, ormnna run up your ass, right, you know, because they.

And then yeah, yeah he ran it.

And then yeah, yeah he ran it.

If Charles get the sack, Coach said, great job calling this calling that play. If Charles don't get the sack and they make a nice play, they said, leon Let, what the hell were you doing. They never went to Charles, They only stayed Okay.

If Charles get the sack, Coach said, great job calling this calling that play. If Charles don't get the sack and they make a nice play, they said, leon Let, what the hell were you doing. They never went to Charles, They only stayed Okay.

Did Jimmy Johnson give like, what is a speech before a Super Bowl? At halftime? You don't have to sell the players on it. Do you remember the pregame speech?

Did Jimmy Johnson give like, what is a speech before a Super Bowl? At halftime? You don't have to sell the players on it. Do you remember the pregame speech?

Right?

Right?

And Jimmy was great at this now? Jimmy was great at this now our third super Bowl since so many of us were still there, Jimmy right before the game he said, I know a lot of you may be full of these moments, may be satisfied of these moments, but a lot of us have never had these moments. And he made every man that hadn't had a ring stand up and we had to spend time look at don't you think they deserve one? Two is not just about the ones you have, it's about them too, and we're going to get them one. I thought that was something great because it really made you think about, wait a minute, I got two rings, but these guys do not. And these are my teammates, and we played extra hard for that.

And Jimmy was great at this now? Jimmy was great at this now our third super Bowl since so many of us were still there, Jimmy right before the game he said, I know a lot of you may be full of these moments, may be satisfied of these moments, but a lot of us have never had these moments. And he made every man that hadn't had a ring stand up and we had to spend time look at don't you think they deserve one? Two is not just about the ones you have, it's about them too, and we're going to get them one. I thought that was something great because it really made you think about, wait a minute, I got two rings, but these guys do not. And these are my teammates, and we played extra hard for that.

Do you think it's an advantage in a strange way that Kansas City didn't bulldoze people they struggled with Houston. Do you think it's an advantage. Having played fifteen close games this.

Do you think it's an advantage in a strange way that Kansas City didn't bulldoze people they struggled with Houston. Do you think it's an advantage. Having played fifteen close games this.

Year, it's an advantage if you come out on top like they have come out on top, and most, if not all of them, you know they're incredible in late games because like anything else, it gives you confidence and you're going to be back in these situations again. And back to that relations and ship with pressure. All of Kansas City has that affair with pressure. They know about it, eat and sleep with it because they know. Patrick Mahomes is the guy that gets to pass, gets to get the football first, and this guy we always trip an old talent, shoulders down. I'm telling you what makes Patrick Mahomes the great that he is is his gifts shoulders up.

Year, it's an advantage if you come out on top like they have come out on top, and most, if not all of them, you know they're incredible in late games because like anything else, it gives you confidence and you're going to be back in these situations again. And back to that relations and ship with pressure. All of Kansas City has that affair with pressure. They know about it, eat and sleep with it because they know. Patrick Mahomes is the guy that gets to pass, gets to get the football first, and this guy we always trip an old talent, shoulders down. I'm telling you what makes Patrick Mahomes the great that he is is his gifts shoulders up.

He knows how.

He knows how.

To play, just to play each play and that makes him great. He don't try to do more than he needs to he needs. He understands the significance of one play and every time he just beats you. So yeah, that's a hell of a great opportunity and a hell of a great advantage when you played that many tight games.

To play, just to play each play and that makes him great. He don't try to do more than he needs to he needs. He understands the significance of one play and every time he just beats you. So yeah, that's a hell of a great opportunity and a hell of a great advantage when you played that many tight games.

Do you lean either way in this game?

Do you lean either way in this game?

This has been It's been a tough game for me.

This has been It's been a tough game for me.

I don't think I've ever been had a game more difficult to call than this game. You know, when you look at the things that are on our because it's not the skill. You got to try to pull in all the things that make him have a deeper will.

I don't think I've ever been had a game more difficult to call than this game. You know, when you look at the things that are on our because it's not the skill. You got to try to pull in all the things that make him have a deeper will.

This is the third straight Super Bowl championship.

This is the third straight Super Bowl championship.

Patrick Mahomes talked about it right after he won number two the second straight, and I ran to Travis Kelce at the basketball game in Dallas. That's all he asked me about. So they've been living with this. This is what they want, So that creates a great will. You think Jalen Hurts, who have fought his way all the way up to get respect as one of the top quarterbacks in the National Football wants the National Football League wants to go n two in a Super Bowl lose to the same guy again.

Patrick Mahomes talked about it right after he won number two the second straight, and I ran to Travis Kelce at the basketball game in Dallas. That's all he asked me about. So they've been living with this. This is what they want, So that creates a great will. You think Jalen Hurts, who have fought his way all the way up to get respect as one of the top quarterbacks in the National Football wants the National Football League wants to go n two in a Super Bowl lose to the same guy again.

So that's going to create a great will.

So that's going to create a great will.

This is going to be a clash of Titans, and it's going to be a hard fogus. I heard you talk about it being a highest score game. I think it's going to I don't think it's going to get up that thirty eight thirty five. I think we'll live closer to that twenty two that Kansas City the average. We may not even get to the twenty seven points that Ladelphia average. Right now, this is going to be a defensive game, even though we're going to be looking at the offense, because think about Philadelphia, don't give up big plays.