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One hour from now, Colin Wright Wrong plus Matt Hasselbeck, who has been such a great addition to the Herd. Jmac, I gotta tell you a lot of blowouts yesterday. I don't know if it was separation Sunday, but Philadelphia, you used to live around there. They got layers and layers of dudes.
Yeah, they just have a coaching issue that remains a problem, even if you don't want to admit it.
Well, let's start with that. The Eagles are officially the strangest great sports franchise, not just in the NFL, maybe all of sports. Last twenty five years, They've had four coaches. They've had Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Doug Peterson, Nick Sirianni. All but one have gotten to a Super Bowl, and they fired three of them. And if Nick Siriani lost his first playoff game this year, despite his record, which is one of the top five winning percentage records of all time.
They fire him too.
They got star receivers, complaining players going on local radio banging on the culture. You've got Sirianni on the sidelines getting into another beef. They run coordinators in and out of the building. It's twenty four to seven drama. They have all the qualities of a bad or poorly run franchise, yet all the Eagles do win. I thought Pittsburgh's defense was great, then I watched Jalen Hurts yesterday nineteen completions to his top two receivers. I mean again, Pittsburgh is well coached, great defense. They did whatever they wanted to, and they were even good in the first quarter. The Eagles are never good in the first quarter. And that's another part about the Eagles that virtually makes no sense. But I'm gonna pick him to win the Super Bowl. I just I don't even know what to make of them. They have the deepest roster in the league. They have young stars, stars in their prime, old stars. Only team in the league that has like three levels of greatness. They have the most aggressive general manager, Howie Roseman. They have the most physically aggressive head coach, their owner occasionally Jeffrey Lourie, a brilliant man, sometimes medals owner, GM, head coach, quarterback.
It is a lot of alpha.
It is a lot of puff in your chest out But I love their aggressiveness. They don't apologize who what they are, who they are if they don't apologize, and Buffalo love him, but I don't trust him. Kansas City's barely beating anybody. They can't protect Mahomes, Baltimore. The playoffs are their kryptonite. Detroit. I mean, they're running out of players. I'm gonna take Philadelphia. They got five different ways to beat you. The layering of talent incredible. Sirianni's opening press conference was regrettable.
He laughed at it.
I think he's one of those coaches and one of those people in America. This is not a bad thing. He wasn't quite ready for the job. He was bailing water, and he had to go through coordinators. But I think he's kind of found his way between the talk radio and that city and the relentlessly aggressive fans. The city matches the team, the team matches the city. They and because their offense is so dramatic, you overlook their defense, which is number one and number two on third down, and so they held the Steelers to ten first downs.
I mean, honestly, I was thinking about this morning.
What the Eagles are is basically that couple that constantly argues and nobody thinks the marriage will ever stay intact. And they just had their forty fifth wedding anniversary. It shouldn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. They got rookies in the secondary drama on the sidelines, wide receivers don't privately love the quarterback, young, old offensive line, d line, crazy head coach, and it just works. And once again, there's this scrutiny, and I'm as guilty as anybody. There's this scrutiny around the organization because all their qualities are what teams like Tennessee have and Carolina have. Philadelphia's running through coaches who fires Andy Reid, Doug Peterson, wins a super Bowl, goes Tontoe with Brady and Belichick, and they're always left standing and they're always winning, and the scrutiny just piles up.
And Jalen Hurts aggress that yesterday.
So that's which I went to see HW. The scrutin is never never ending. It's nothing new. So that's something that I find the thrilling. And I appreciate being told I can't and that we can't. And I know that I lead this team and it takes takes a lot out of it and demands a lot out of you.
Listen, don't trust my picks, but I think Philadelphia is gonna win the Super Bowl. And they're crazy and they're arguing all the time, and they can't even go to a holiday party and somebody's throwing salse at somebody else. It just works, and they're so talented, and Jalen Hurts has got this sort of stoicism. He's sort of this calm uh. You know, big college programs. You know, Bama says no thanks, Oklahoma's like we'll take you. And his personality, he always feels like he's the cooler. Like in Vegas. They they're the old story when somebody would get hot at the poker table, they'd send over the cooler. Somebody with bad luck like Jalen Hurts is the good luck, but he just brings the temperature down in the room. He's the perfect fit. It may be the most dysfunctional perfect team ever. Good for them. So Buffalo beat Detroit. And there's a lot to say about this game, but let me just start by saying this. I started watching football in nineteen seventy two. I was a little kid, and I watched the first and on a black and white TV, I watched the Washington Redskins beat lose to the Miami Dolphins in a Super Bowl. That's the first game I remember watching. I loved the NBA, the Portland Trail Blazers in the early seventies, and that was the first NFL game I remember watching. And then I became like a Washington Husky fan, and I remember for Robin Earl and Warren Moon and blah blah blah.
You don't care.
But Josh Allen's the most talented quarterback I've ever seen. I'll die on that hill. Don't confuse trophies with talent. Brady's got more trophies than Mahome. Patrick's more talented. I always thought John Elway was like the greatest athlete. Remember he was going to play either for the Yankees or in the NFL. Greatest athlete to play quarterback. Compared to Josh Allen, John Elway looks small and lumbering the kids. Unbelievable. I've never seen a quarterback this good. I mean, size are mobility eight plus plus plus plus. It's a little Lebron in his prime. It's a little old Tawny, It's a little tiger. Where you can put the best athletes in the world out there, and he's a notch above that. And I mean once Buffalo finally got a legit running back so he could take the superman kpe off occasionally. He doesn't have any kryptonite. I mean, since entering the NFL, he has the second most rushing touchdowns. He's a quarterback, he has the second most rushing touchdowns. You know who number one is a running back, Derrick Henry. I mean, Buffalo is allowed eighty six points in the last two weeks and my take is, yeah, yeah, so what they'll get to the super Bowl because Josh Allen in that time has ten touchdowns. I worry about their defense. They are getting some starters back, but I'm watching Mahomes, who's obviously so gifted, limping around. They can't protect him, and I'm saying, God, he is so vulnerable this team. Josh Allen has not taken a sack in a month. A good luck getting a hold of him. It's week fifteen. He looks as fresh as newly cut flowers, big strong arm moving. You can't get to him now. You should be able to. There's enough to grab onto, but you can't sack him. So I feel like I've always said there's one athlete in my life that I didn't get a seat perform Sandy Kofax like one athlete. I feel like I kind of got jipped off. I was born too late. We're all lucky we were born in a time. You can watch Josh Allen because I've never seen anything like it. Again, they're missing three defensive starters. It's not pretty on the defensive end, but remember that, saying fast than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a local mogatives, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.
You remember that?
Were they talking about Superman or Josh Allen? Because as good as Mahomes is, he's not this and I love him. And as good as Brady was, he's not Mahomes. That's the best I've ever seen. For years, I thought it was Elway. Even Sean McDermott. You just run. Sean McDermott gets to see him at practice every day and he's at a loss for words.
I mean, just incredible, incredible performance week after week, and what more can you say? I mean, it's we're watching every week, We're watching an incredible player play incredibly consisting week after week. And I'll let you guys film I guess the SEMs for.
The record, the last two weeks he's been able to play indoors. So in a weird way, Buffalo, the cold weather wind outdoor is a negative. Go look at his last two weeks when he got to play indoors. The Lions defense may beat up, Okay, it may beat up. The Rams defense wasn't the Rams defense wasn't beat up. When he's allowed to play indoors, weather's not a negative. It's like high school stuff. It's like that Division one high school player. He runs for two touchdowns, he throws for two touchdowns, he catches touchdowns. Think about how great you have to be to be a pro athlete. You were the best player in your conference. Some of you, if you ever played, were probably the best player in your region, may have been the best player in your state. That's how good you have to be. And what's remarkable is the classic American story. He wasn't offered a college scholarship, he ended up sending tapes out. He ends up at Wyoming, where he was really talented but didn't get the great coaching. And his first year in the NFL All Sorts Awards, he was wreckless, a lot of interceptions, but you could see this remarkable player, and now he's been transformed in front of our eyes to however you want to describe this. Can't take my eyes off him, I really do. I mean, I feel like with Detroit falling apart, Philadelphia and Buffalo with Mahomes limping and the Lions faulding apart, so much of this league is attritionan And I know, I know Philadelphia probably is favored because they have the better defense, but I would sign up for Eagles Buffalo Bills today. Yesterday Jim Nance said this is America's team. I don't think he's wrong. It's not the Cowboys. I mean, I'm not even gonna mention them in the first hour today. I have nothing on my show today to mention the Cowboys. If they come up, it's an accident. If that's the America's team, I'm for it because he's a great American athlete and a great American story. J Max, I know recency biased, but when you in the last two weeks playing indoors, that Rams defense is pretty good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You also mentioned the Lions are banged up. Just breaking here in the last five minutes. It reports are out that David Montgomery, the hammer running back of the Lions mcl injury, could be lost for the season.
Wow, just came out.
So Gibbs is a little bit of the lightning.
He's awesome that Montgomery was yesterday so much.
We talked about this.
Remember the year Mahomes got to the Super Bowl and had neither one of his starting tackles. It feels like Detroit can win one way now, wild shootout.
And your Packers. You talked about them in the offseason.
They looked spicy last night.
Oh my gosh, they'd become a little bit of a power running team.
I would be afraid of that team.
I'll tell you who. I'd be afraid of. Baker in the bush. Yeah, I would want no part of the Buccaneers. Can't run on them, can't.
Guard Mike Evans.
Baker's playing at his best, reckless, but with house money because nobody thinks they're gonna win. Jason light has stacked that roster for years. The GM one of the best scouts ever in the league. Yeah, I would not if I'm Philadelphia. I mean, by the way, I didn't take the last team to beat Philly. I mean, I mean they've given Detroit, Philly, Kansas City. They've given everybody troubles. I mean what they did to the Chargers yesterday was the number one defense in the league dropped a forty burger in LA.
That was wow. That was a wow out come.
NFC kind of after the Eagles, there's like five or six teams down with the Lions injured.
I don't know it is.
Washington in that group. Are they close?
No?
I think listen, I think Darnold and the Vikings and Baker and the Bugs will be underdogs in these playoff games, but there's something about Tampa's ability to defend the run. You cannot. So now the Lions are down to one running back, you will not run on Tampa.
And also we got to get the Rams some credit.
They're they're they're coming hard, and you know, Smith goes down and you don't want to see that Rams offense in the postseason, oh boy.
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We do it every Monday at this time. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, there's plenty of both.
Here we go where Colin was right.
I warned you last week on Dan Campbell he doesn't trust his defense, so now he's going hyper reckless.
I really do like the man, but.
I think they're no longer the hunted. They're the hunter. And I think it's very hard to win a Super Bowl when you're reckless. Now again, defensively, I don't know. Maybe he feels like they have to take these big swings, and I don't think they were going to win the game anyway. But I said it last week and I'll say it again. Reckless teams don't win the Super Bowl.
Where Colin was raw well.
On November eighteenth, when the Cowboys lost to the Texans, I said, they're in the middle of a soft tank. Well, they've won three or four. Mike is playing great Ceedee Lamb back to back touchdowns. Say what you want about Cooper Rush. He moves the chains. So Mike McCarthy, there's you know we've been saying this now. Mike McCarthy's a good coach. I think he's going to retain his job because he's winning these games and the team hasn't quit. You look at the New York Giants and you wonder if the team is quit. You watch the Cowboys. I don't see it. McCarthy's probably coming back where Colin was right when Baker signed that deal with Tampa, I said, I would have no problem signing him. He's a good fit, he's got the grit, he's got a chip on his shoulder, and I think he's a really good leader. They now lead the NFC. Salt he and Mike Evans totally in unison. I think it is price point he's actually a bargain. I was blown away yesterday. The Chargers had the number one defense in the league and they dropped a forty burger and they totally controlled this game. So I think a lot for quarterbacks outside of the all time greats is fit. Sam Darnold now has a good fit. Baker chipping his shoulder Tampa is a great fit. Where Colin was wrong, Uh yeah, I never thought i'd see Bill Belichick take the third to fourth best coaching job in the ACC. I admit I see him as a pro coach. I don't know if he and Mike Lombardi and mostly a pro staff are gonna feel collegiate. I said, I feel like it's going to be a quicker, more rigid version of Charlie Weiss, a pro guy who tried to make college work. He says, you know, I always thought about coaching college. I think this, in my opinion, is more about the NFL turning their nose up in the air at Bill Belichick and not wanting his rigidity and personnel control. But I'll admit watching him in Carolina Blue, it's a bit of.
A shocker for me. Where Colin was right, I.
Picked the Rams to win the division. Before the season started, Matt Stafford zero pick in five weeks. They now officially lead the division. They started one and four, they were all beat up in the on line and wide receiver. They are seven and two since just like last year, when they got healthy, they finished strong last year. Right now, Cooper cups healthy, Puka Nakua their offensive line, Havenstein's back up. This is a very, very good team. I do feel like they're a draft away from hoisting another trophy. But this is a team I thought would win this division. Where Colin was wrong. In the last nine games, Lebron is shooting twenty five from three and forty five percent on field goals. I had said earlier this season, I still considered him a top ten player, and I defended him like mid November.
He's not.
He disappeared. His turnovers are up, his shooting is down. He has lost his legs. Listen, I'm not this should have happened five years ago. I'm shocked it took this long, but that absence for whatever reasons. Speculate all you want. He looked out of gas, and the first thing an athlete loses is the legs. Fifty year old quarterback can still grab a football and sling it, and Steph Curry will be able to shoot when he's seventy, but it's the legs and Lebron is not a top ten player. Where Colin was right, I don't get the brock perty for sixty million dollars discussion.
Well, what do you know?
They pulled San Francisco fans and forty percent believe brock Purty should get in the twenty to thirty million dollar range. So at least I agree with the Niners. Listening to the four biggest games this year, one he was hurt, and the three others he was easily the second best quarterback in the field.
I like him. He struggles in wet weather.
I don't think he's a guy that can elevate average players. I think he is a quarterback that can manage great players.
I would pay him. I think he's a franchise guy. He started talking fifty five to sixty million.
We're talking Lamar, we're talking Mahomes, Alan Stafford. I don't think that's for Brock Perdy and now Niner fans agree.
Where Colin was raw, well.
I didn't think DeVante Adams was gonna matter for the Pack. For the Jets, I felt like he bounced around. Aaron was shot. But I gotta be on it. Those two yesterday were great in the last four minutes of the game. They were historic. Statistically, Davante's had over three hundred yards in the last two games. And I'm critical of Aaron Rodgers, so I have to be fair. I think in the last three to four weeks Aaron has found his footing. Davante Adams now Garrett Wilson from the reaction on the sideline, may not love it, but I will tell you now, between Garrett Wilson and Davonte Adams, Aaron has looked very comfortable. I thought the season was over three four weeks ago. They have played incredibly hard offensively, They've been very good late in games. I's wrong on that I thought they were done. Nope, they still got some life. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, and with that eighteen years in the league. I love our Monday Show and Matt Hasselbeck stops on end the three time pro bowler. So I'm watching the Lions fall apart, and I know Dan Campbell's kind of his DNA is he is a go he's an alpha. He gotta take some shots. But I wonder now if he's being I view him as reckless because he just doesn't trust the defense. And I do think sometimes coaches go, we can't stop anybody. Do you think it's his DNA or do you think now he's just lost trust in the defense. While he would call that onside.
Kick, No, I don't think it has anything to do with the defense. I just think it's his DNA. He's an emotional guy, and it's part of what you love about him. You know, sometimes former players when they become coaches, they have to learn how to like separate that I'm getting geeked up to go cover a kickoff mentality and have to learn how to be calm and just sort of be discerning. And while all the chaos is going on around you, you're not the guy hyping everybody up. You're the guy that's sitting back almost like you know the movie Bagger Vance when he steps up to the t box, like everything else goes quiet and he's he's he's like just completely engrossed and focused on the decision that needs to be made. And I think you learn as a young coach. I mean he's a little bit of a young coach still. You learn from these moments, and he's been very transparent at the podium talking about it, and I think that's what people love about him is he's very transparent. He owns up to his own mistakes. And like you said, they are now the bully. They were the guys that were getting picked on. They were swinging, you know, taking a shot with house money sort of, and now they need to play like one of the best teams in all of football, which they are.
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So Green Bay. The average age is twenty five years old. They're like an old college team. And I watch him last night and I just think that organization. You know, I was saying this earlier, Matt, If Jordan Love would have gone to half the league, they would have played him first year battle line defensive coach.
He's wrecked.
They have been so smart, even adding Josh Jacobs. They're like, we really like this kid, and he's got good young tight end receiver. Let's give him a power running back. So we didn't have to throw thirty five times. I love how Green Bay develops quarterbacks. But I look at this team and I thinks, just a bunch of kids. They're twenty five years old. Go to your playoff experience. Is that youth a liability when playoffs starting a month?
No, not if you're completely naive and you have no idea like how much pressure is really on you? And I think that's the great thing about that team. And you've seen it in other teams. I remember Tom Brady's first year when he won the Super Bowl.
I don't think he really knew.
I remember, you know, in my first you know times in the in the playoffs, like I didn't know, But that was the beauty of it. You're just out there like you were as a kid, cutting it loose, having fun. And I would say Matt Lafleoor does not get enough credit for what he is as a football coach.
He just kind of gets glossed over. He's like, oh, yeah, he's a Sean mcvig guy, you know whatever.
Like, no, No, he is a legitimate, legitimate head football coach both sides of the ball. He's done a great job bringing in Jeff Affley to run the defense. They've been bet know, really honestly, they've been the unsung team this season. Like we even just talk about their division. We talk about Detroit, we talk about Minnesota, and this is a team that's done it. You know, we talk about Detroit being banged up. Now green Bay was banged up. Now they're getting healthy. I think they're a dangerous team coming into the playoffs.
So as I watched the Bills. First of all, I said this earlier. I always thought John Elway was the most talented quarterback I'd ever seen. Showing my age, but I thought that's I mean, he could have played Major League Baseball. And then you watch Farv and then you watch Mahomes And I'm not talking just trophies. I'm talking like Bill Russell's got eleven rings, Michael's got six. I thought Michael was more talented. It's not just trophies. Marino never won one.
He was brilliant. But I watched Josh Allen.
He makes Elway look lumbering and small, like I I've never seen anything like him as a former quarterback eighteen years, you know, you were in rooms with guys like Farv. How would you coach Josh, I mean, you don't want to not ask him to do whatever he does. I wonder if it's almost harder to coach a guy that's as like good as Tiger and as primaro Tawny, how would you coach him?
Yeah, no, it's it's harder than people realize. I remember my rookie year watching Andy Reid try to coach Brett fav You want to keep.
The amazing, the other worldly, but at the same.
Time you want to protect him and his body and obviously that football I saw with Andrew Luck when he was getting coached, and you know, he's putting himself in harm's way.
I think it is.
It's like also likes a curse and a blessing, being as big and as physical and as fearless as he is. But when you can get it right, and I believe they've got it right, They've got designed runs late in the game when you need it.
They don't do it early, they do it more late.
They do it when they've kind of warn you down and they know exactly what you're doing. They're smart with him. He's being smart with the football. That's why everybody this week will be talking about him being the NFL NFL's MVP, it's uh. I mean, if you were voting today, if you had to decide today, he's the guy.
Now.
That doesn't mean he's gonna win it, and that doesn't mean that they're going to hoist the Lombardy. But if you're a Bills fanning, you ever thought, hey, this is the year that our quarterback wins MVP, and this is the year that the Bills finally, you know, hoist that Lombardy. Like you're probably right, this is like your best chance right now. And I think one of the coolest things for them giving them confidence. People think of them as just like I don't know, cold Weather team. They've shown that they can be lights out, maybe not even maybe even better in a dome. And guess what if you think those players aren't talking about the fact that the Super Bowls and a dome this this year, I promise you quietly, they're whispering that to each other on the flight home.
So I want you to when I watched Philadelphia just sort of take advantage of Pittsburgh. I mean, obviously TJ watch remarkable, but it looked easier than it should And I mean, you got nineteen catches between Davante Smith and A. J. Brown, and Pittsburgh knew that was coming with all the talk about AJ they knew.
It was coming. Is it scheme? It looked so easy? Is it the movement of Hurts?
And I'm past questioning, Siriani, But as I watched that game, I thought it shouldn't be quite this easy.
Is there a scheme? Is it? What makes it look? Is it hurts? Is it play calling? What is it? Well?
It certainly helps when Pittsburgh offense. Pittsburgh's offense doesn't play well. They turned the ball over, they really weren't explosive, so you're getting more opportunities. And I really thought, like exactly like you said, they said, hey, come out and beat us in the passing game. We're gonna stop Saquon First he saw the RPO for the touchdown, and then, like we've talked about it for you know, the whole season. Philly has the weapons, They are capable, their quarterback is capable. People are jumping on him because he's been a little bit of a wait and see thrower, like I'm gonna wait and see until it's open, then I'm gonna throw it, and less of an anticipator the way you see guys like Tua Tongue Bailoa, and so I just think this is still a young quarterback who's who's maturing. He's talking about you gotta water the grass if you want the grass to look green, and you gotta you you know, you have success in what you work on.
Sure, I'll buy that.
I just I really think, and I've said it all year, I think Philly is one of the best teams in football. People are quick to jump on board the Boo Birds in Philly because they're out quick in Philly. I mean, this is the fan base that Boo's Santa Claus. I mean, you know, and everybody loves Santa Claus. So I really think this is one of the best teams in football. Their biggest issue is going to be, like we've seen, sticking together and you know, keeping that humble mindset, that beginner's mindset, and staying focus week week to week.
So it's interesting bon Nicks really struggled in the first half. And yet you know, Sean Payton and coaches kind of tell me what they think of their quarterback by the plays they call. So he didn't put bubble wrap on him. They went out in the second half. They were out played in the first They were aggressive, and it was interesting because bow had a really I mean, he was overshooting everybody. He had a rough first half. He it was rough, and I thought, oh, this could go sideways. And then the second half, I'm like, yeah, this is just one of those games. So I want you to go back to early in your career. I think it's it's easy to let a first half dragged the second emotionally, and yet Sean Payton's like, nope, just go make plays. And I think that's hard for a coach if you weren't as confident as Sean Payton to say no, we're gonna throw the ball down the field. They should have lost that game. Jonathan Taylor did him a favor. They were totally outplayed, out schemed in the first half, and yet they won a little on bow necks Peyton, But a little on your career. Is it hard after a rough first half to go, yeah, I'm just gonna forget it amnesia. Is that harder than we think.
It's a sign of a good team that you can win a game when your quarterback doesn't play well. But just speaking about Sean Payton. Sure, I can remember it. Halftime early in my career, I wasn't playing well. Mike Hongrin, the head coach, would come into the locker room and instead of berating me because I was the one not playing well in the first half, he would rip the defense who was playing well. He would rip the special teams, and he would say it in a way he'd be like defense leaders, special teams, I.
Got a young quarterback, like, I'm counting on you, not him, I'm counting on you to step up.
And it was almost like, oh crap, like like he's it's actually worse than if he was ripping it.
Now.
I feel like, hey man, you better get your act together.
And I think even just like for the offensive line and the skill guys, they're saying like, hey man, we got to pick our young quarterback up, like we got to give him opportunities. And I know the stats weren't great, so people are going to pile on Bonnicks and know the turnovers, but he had some great plays that brought him back into that game. Also, yes, was he aided by the fact that the defense scored the special teams came up huge.
Yeah, And that's part of it. That's part of football.
But I do think that this can give you confidence, almost like a blessing in disguise that says, hey, we're not about one guy. And everybody on that team's been on a team where the quarterback got all the credit and it's like, oh, it's just because of the quarterback, and they knew the truth that this is a football team. It's eleven guys at a time, and it's way more than that to go into the success. And so when you have a team that's more about the collection the some of all the parts instead of just one guy who gets to talk at the podium after the game, I think there's something special there. And in Denver's building it, they've got a foundation and just much like Mike Holngrin did for us in Seattle, you can tell that Sean Payton's done that quickly in Denver.
Finally, Mahomes gets pretzold in this football game. Obviously this is a sport of attrition. He'll want to be out there. If I'm Kansas City, I'm like, I'm not going to play them against Houston. If Carson Wentz wins, I'm not going to play him against Pittsburgh. That's easy for me to say, even as a veteran quarterback, Matt would two or three weeks off late in the season, would it throw off your timing? Because Xavier Worthy is a young kid at receiver, their timing is still building. Noah Gray is still a young tight end, and I think to myself, I think Andy would sit him and Mahomes would fight like hell to get back on. But I do wonder because their receiving corps is so young, if it could be a punitive decision to sit him for two to three weeks. It'd be different if I had Mike Evans and I'd been throwing to him for four years.
How would you manage Mahomes now with the injury.
Yeah, I'm not worried about the timing. That gets overblown for sure, no doubt about that. I'll just say that Andy Reid has dealt with this before. He dealt with it with Brett Favre, he dealt with it with Donovan McNabb. I'm sure he's dealt with it with Patrick Mahomes. But really, what you do is you go to a guy like Patrick and you say, Okay, if you.
Want to play, I will let you play. But the ball has to come out on time, you have to throw with rhythm.
No worthy birds, no jump past it is none of that stuff because he's going to want to play. And I hear everyone talking about I'll just sit him and all that kind of stuff. That's fine in theory, but more of what it means to be a franchise quarterback, And especially for a guy like Patrick mahomes Is, you're sending a message to your team about mental and physical toughness and whether he should sit.
He probably should.
Sit, if we're being real, but knowing who he is and the competitor that he is, just watching him through the years, he wants to be the guy that says, without saying a word, hey guys, I know we're all banged up. I know you're banged up. I know you're banged up. I'm banged up. Like, let's rise above it. It's not about what I can't do. Maybe I can't run for fifteen yards, but it's about what I can do. I can play like I'm forty years old from the pocket and slice and dice whoever we're.
Playing, I can do that.
And so you know this game on Christmas that's coming up, we got a Saturday game, like you know, or the weeks that are coming up.
He's gonna want to be out there.
So I think if you're the coach, you just got to basically say to him, Okay, you want to go out there and be John Wayne, I'll let you do it. But the second I see you taking unnecessary hits, you're coming out on the sideline, And I think that's how they'll approach that.
Yeah, you give us such great insight. That is such a great answer to a question. I didn't see it coming. Matt Hasselback. Look at that trophy room behind you that I gotta be all the years I've been doing this, look at that.
What's your favorite one?
Honestly, man, Like, none of it matters really, it's kind of the journey. I guess maybe this one over here, over this over here, these are like these are my girls national championship trophies over there. So if your kids ever have something, it means more to you than anything that you ever did. But we got some good junk, I'll say that, but it's it's more about the journey and the memories and the teammates and the coaches and all that kind of stuff.
Good answer, Dad, that's a good answer right there. Matt hasselback. Good seeing you again, Maddy,