Thanks for listening to the Best of Herd podcast. Are you sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowhern on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, it is a Monday, A glorious Monday live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be, However you may be listening Fight on Fight on Fight on iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio FS one, one hour from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong? I am going to be difficult to deal with. After an amazing Saturday night, J Mack is joining us. Wow, how much fun I get a start my weekend Saturday US and then I get to end it with Mahomes and the Chargers. What a showcase of talent that was. Wow. And then today we get USA Soccer. We got a great Monday night football matchup. We do. It's a great week for sports college. Let's start with Mahomes versus Herbert, my two big takeaways in that game is great in anything in life. Great creates clarity. Okay, if you're still clinging to Taylor Heineke or Daniel Jones, you think you can go toe to toe with Mahomes when shootouts with Mahomes, give it up. Burrow can, Josh Allen can, Justin Herbert can. May not win most of them, but they can go toe to toe with Burrow. They can make big plays, make make Patrick sweat a little. He creates clarity. If you're still clinging to Daniel Jones, man, you're not winning shootouts here. He's playing a different sport than Daniel Jones and Taylor Heineke. Okay. Mahomes is not just a physical uniform unicorn. He is a mental unicorn. A demeanor is perfect. I mean, he is a unicorn on so many levels. When Aaron Rodgers trails late, he looks annoyed. When Mahomes trails late, it's a challenge. He's salt. He binds everything together and brings the best flavor out of everything. Rebuild the old Line, no problem, picks it up Game one. Rebuild the receiving Corps, no problem. All make Tony work optimistic, never aloof always engaged, willing to adapt, incredibly coachable. What can't he do? So that's the first thing he creates clarity. There's about six guys in this league that can go toe to toe with him and compete with him and challenge him. Herbert's one of them. And what a shock. Mahomes wins the battle, just like he's one of the biggest battles with Josh Allen. The second thing is think of all the money and the time that Denver spent, the Raiders spent, the Chargers spent trying to dethrone Patrick Mahomes. Cornerbacks, edge rushers, big swings. Yeah, he's still eight and two. He's the king. And that's the way it works when you have a great, great all timer. I mean, the Pistons tackled Michael Jordan for a lot of years. He got stronger and he never looked back in the East. How many coaches did Lebron get fired in the East or Saban get fired in the Sect? Great simply overcomes. The Chargers are buying pass rushers, you know, Denver Denverse spending big money. Raiders bring in pass rushers and Mahomes and they're all trying to beat Mahomes here in November and December, get around Thanksgiving. That's the real regular season. They're spending that money, not for September, not for the week after Labor Day. They're spending it for November and December and after last night. Mahomes is twenty five straight wins in November and December, leads the NFL and touchdown passes, leads the NFL in passing yards, and he is the target not only of the AFC West, Mahomes is now the target of the league when you draft a guy, and this is what greatness does. Can our guy go toe to toe with the Mahomes in a big game? I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo gets to a super Bowl in San Francisco with a better overall roster, I would argue is like, uh, we got draft another quarterback. Jared Goff gets to a super Bowl and Sean McVay is like, that's not gonna be good enough. I mean, that's what this kid is doing, and he proves that you can do it all. He's such a unique player. And it's not just the physical gifts. It's the coachability, the adaptability. You can watch certain star quarterbacks trailing late in games. You can watch their body language. They get tight, they feel annoyed. Now, Mahomes, the body language is good, pattent guys on the back. Let's go. This is what we do. I've never seen anything quite like it. There's a little Brady just add a better arm, lots of mobility, and an offensive coach in Andy Reid. It's like, you know Brady with three other gifts. And here was Patrick on the comeback win. I just thought it was cool today that when we when I went in the huddle, everybody was just like, let's just do it. But there was no doubt that we were gonna go down there and score. There was no doubt that we were gonna make it happen. And from the offensive lines to the receivers, the running backs, tight ends, everybody was just had their mindset of us take it one play at a time, get it down the field, and I go on there and get a touchdown. What accounts? And that's what we did. It's so interesting. They took a brief shot of justin Herbert's face watching Mahomes. He had just led his team to the lead, and they took a shot of Herbert and he was like a boy. A minute and a half left, he's as like my boy. I mean, it's the only quarterback of my life. Not even Brady gave you this. When the Chargers were driving down the field, the entire discussion was don't score too soon. Wasn't about scoring, you don't score too soon? Oh a minute and a half left. They may have scored too soon. Well after he came back thirteen seconds and beat Buffalo. I get it. What a spectacular talent. How lucky is the NFL to have that kid his face of the league. All right, So our favorite better the weekend was actually the Cowboys. You can see it coming. The Vikings played in a wildly emotional game against the Bills. The Cowboys were after that lost green Bay backed into a corner. You knew they'd play well. But this morning, if you listen to Cowboy fans, they're Super Bowl favorites. I've come to the conclusion with the Cowboys. I'm just here for the emotional circus. I'm not gonna take a side. I just watching it. I mean, think about the stages of the Cowboys this year. Week one, dad gets hurt, they get throttled by Brady in the Bucks woe is me. Weeks two through five, back up Cooper Rush starts winning. Is Dak coming back? Dak's no good? We have a quarterback controversy. Week six through ten, Dak kind of slides back in for Cooper Rush and you're like, oh no, he's bad. Against Green Bay. We need to get O b J. And the final stage of the Cowboys is they dust off Minnesota yesterday easily, and they're the best team in the world. And if you look at their schedule, all you Cowboy haters out there, just take a seat. They're gonna have a lot of laughs and a lot of hope because now they get the Giants at home, the Colts at home, the Texans at home, and they're at the Jags. So it's a lot of doubles for the Cowboys coming up, and there's gonna be a lot of hope. It's gonna be a firework show. And listen. Is Dallas a fun team? Absolutely? Are they a talented team? Oh? Absolutely? Are they a Super Bowl winning team? I don't think so. But there's more twists and turns than yellow Stone, So I'm into it. And I will say this about Dallas. There's a lot of things to be optimistic about. Tony Pollard has emerged home run hitter at running back. O b J appears to be leaning Dallas. The offensive line's playing better, young offensive line is playing better, Dak is now healthy, and they appear to have a two headed monster at running back. Where Dak isn't relied upon to throw forty times a game. The Cowboys are three and oh when Dak is throwing the ball, twenty seven times are fewer. So there's a recipe for Dallas to win, and that recipe is, don't rely on Dak to do him a Holmes or a Josh Allen or a Burrow or a Brady where he's got to throw forty times a game. But I know a lot of you love the Cowboys, and I know a lot of you hate the Cowboys. And I'm just here for the ride. There were stage one week one, then the Cooper rush stage, then the Dak returns and we're not good enough stage, And now we're in the stage where, oh, we could do this every week, blow everybody away. We're the best team in the world, and I'm not bothered by it. I'm here for the laughs in fun and optimism. I'm here Jerry Jones after the w you see this team as being one of the teams that's for a championship or how do you look at this team resounding yes, yes, unequivocally yes. I think we've had adversity. We very easily could have some more adversity. But if we can get in there healthy and still have games like the last two we just had on the road, and so yes, I think if we use the experience of what we're having in the in the season, then we're going to be playoff ready. But I sure do think that what I said out here right now is the team like that you could go get a Super Bowl with all right, there's no reason to hate. I'm getting close to Thanksgiving. It's the holidays. We share food, we share love. Not everybody shares that optimism, but there's a lot of things to be happy for. The old line's getting better, Dak wasn't sacked, he's healthy, Pollard's a home run hitter, ob Ja's aline defense. Micah, I mean, did we or did we not predict? Jamack predicted, watch Micah have they'll play early in the game, and he did. It's fun though, right at the stages of the Cowboys roller Coaster. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. It is great to have you here on a Monday. Some USC thoughts coming up, some Raider thoughts. Sean Payton, Next Hour, Michael Vick, What a pleasure to have you in. I am on cloud nine. I am feeling good. It was that you can't make me, you can't make me frown. Today it's impossible. Life is good, So listen. I don't want to be a bully with Zach Wilson. He didn't have much of a run game, and Bill Belichick's a great defensive coach, so it's not like I thought. Zach Wilson in the Jets offense was run up a surplus of points in productivity. But here's our reality now with Zach Wilson, who loses and completes nine throws. Okay, here's our reality is because of generational changes, as we've discussed many times on this show about football and how it's changed in high school and college, that the NFL and college are now married together, the leap is not as hard that in high school seven on seven camps. Kids are more ready to play now in the NFL. Out of college, they get ten thousand throws by the time they're fourteen years old. So I no longer give you three years to prove you can make it. I give you Thanksgiving year two, just like we give coaches a year and a half. I better see signs, and with Sala, I'm seeing signs. Passionate defense in the right spot. They've drafted it well, he's developing players. First year was bumpy. I didn't like what I saw. First year Jets were wildly uneven. But year two, Sala has it going. This team has his footprints all over it. It's a Sala defense. It's like the Niners. It's going a million miles an hour. It's feisty, it's physical, it's passionate. It makes plays. Sala appears to be you got the right coach, and I love the GM, So let's be positive in this whole league. Owner, GM coach, quarterback of the key. GM coach looks like he got the right guys. Owner I don't love. Let's go to the quarterback. What did I say about him early? I said in college he played four good teams. He was owing four, Utah twice, Washington Coastal Carolina. He beat up on a lot of you know, North Alabama, Texas State, Troy, And the problem with me was Zach Wilson was even his college tape, he was spectacular regularly. But the NFL's not about that. NFL coordinators don't give you a lot of spectacular maybe once twice a game. Unless you're Mahomes. You don't get spectacular. You got to grind it out. He's a little small, he's a little undisciplined. He tends to be a little cocky, and the little stuff is hard, the little stuff like acknowledging when you're the issue. Josh Allen stinks, he admits it. Joe Burrow stinks, he admits it. Lamar Jackson stinks, he admits it. Aaron Rodger stinks, he admits it. Zach Wilson struggling with the I'm awful and it's not my fault as an offense though, I mean, you guys are really able to score three points the defense, I don't know, no thank you runs over listen. Robert Sala, This is New York. This ownership is impatient. Robert Sala is sitting around thinking how long do I gotta wait? My GM's giving me players, I'm building the great defense. It's the offense holding us back. So you know, this is not a pad on the back thing. And it also he didn't get a lot of help from the run game. And Belichick's a great coach. I wasn't expecting him to throw for two hundred and forty yards one hundred and sixty touchdown. No picks, make smart plays, but you gotta complete more than nine throws. And when the game's over, you got to own that you stink. So it's the little things. But again, you know, he is very reliant on the spectacular. It's why I compared in the Johnny Manzil. Yeah, Mahomes can do spectacular, so can Burrow, but you gotta be accurate. In twenty starts. He has one game with a passer rating over one hundred. It's consistency. In this league. You got to be able to hit the stuff in the flat, the curl patterns, gotta pick up third down, first downs on third down. That's the league. You can do an occasional spectacular thing. But coordinators, this is not the Mountain West Conference. You know, you're not You're not facing Troy or North Alabama. We've got grad assistance actually putting on a headset. Now, this is like they take away the spectacular, they make you play left handed. I just don't see it. Rookie receiver Garrett Wilson was even harsher on his team's offense, and we all got to be more detail, we all got to have a better plan. It's not okay, yeah, I mean straight up, he's not okay. Yea many yet little not not gonna fly. So you know, we got the dudes. It's time, you know, it's time to be consistent. It's time to start winning and the games we should win. I mean they ain't even scoring sc on offense and we love the game. So me personally, I mean, if you got it personally, I just bet we got it. Use this as take it for what it is. Yeah, well j Mack, you tell me Thanksgiving year two. I want to see something with a coach, be it a Robert Sala or Brandon Staley Thanksgiving year two. I'm gonna hold my coaches to that. I used to get my quarterbacks the second maybe third year. We're getting close to Thanksgiving year two. What do you see there, you go. That's exactly it, Colin. I don't want to hammer the kid. He's a young kid, Yeah, I say, yu, But that performance after the game when he's getting asked about the offense do enough. Like Listen, Colin, if I stink it up here on the show, I'm going to accept responsibility. That's what leaders do. Well. You mentioned Josh Allen in the locker room. Accountability is everything. Well, especially he took none of it. Yeah, especially when you're the most important player on a team touching the ball fifty sixty times. Now, listen, I do think Robert sala is doing a good thing and giving him the vote of confidence. You don't want to strip the confidence. They do have a layup this week against the Bears, who will be without Justin Fields. We'll talk about shortly. It's not over for the Jets, Colin. I know, listen, I know they're not good offensively. It ain't over the season. Is they still have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. We'll break down the schedules later, but hold back the laughter, Colin. At defense, by the way, dead last in the league last year, Dave top five units this year, hands down, No, it was a gut wrenching loss. Thank you for the tweet. By the way I saw that that was a kind of you. I can feel your pain on that part. Return. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific give the heisman to Caleb Williams. Now. I know you don't want to hear it, but you watch Patrick Mahomes on Sunday Night. Last night, Caleb Williams a little bit the comp on Saturday Night. Thirty three touchdowns and three picks, and don't tell me the pac twelves no good. Actually, it's the second best conference in the country this year easily Oregon State, Washington, Oregon, Utah, USC UCLA all good teams. His loss this year was three hundred eighty yards, five touchdowns and sixty yards rushing. Like Mahomes, it's more than just football. It's mobility and leadership and crisis management. He is better in big spots, in big games. This Trojan team has one draftable defensive player currently, he's a defensive end. He's really good. He'll probably go in the second round. They have two draftable offensive players, a guard Andrew Vorhis and Jordan Addison. Caleb's not eligible for the draft this year, and yet they don't have Michigan talent, Ohio State talent. They don't have Georgia talent, LSU talent, or Bama talent right now, and yet he is reshaped not only the offense but the football program. This is what Mahomes is like. If you're to put Mahomes at a place with a bigger brand, go look at mahomes highlights, Go look at k Williams highlights. They got two draftable players on that offense. But he's brought back the flare and the spectacular and the crazy and the fun to a football program that, in Pete Carroll's heydays sort of stole LA's heart. He is a completely different level player. I've had multiple executives tell me if he was eligible as a sophomore, he would easily be the number one pick. He is a sensational talent, good head on his shoulders, all this while having a brand, commercials everywhere, and his classes. It is a ton to balance. But we ask a lot of our college and professional quarterbacks, so you know, it probably helps him to the NFL that he can balance all these things. Grades, books, brands, endorsements, football practice, and he is doing it brilliantly. He faced another really good college quarterback Saturday, and Dorian Thompson Robinson, a very very good college quarterback, excellent in fact, and you could see the gap. I said last week on the show, I said, USC's gonna win it, and this kid's the reason why. He'll probably make a play late in the game. Running left, throwing right, running right, throwing left, throwing deep. Just a beautiful thing to watch. I don't see a hole in his game every car. I mean I said it years ago, Andrew Luck, I told you, as a sophomore is going to be different. I told you Trevor Lawrence would start. He's the next one. Everything in crisis management smart. You can just watch him growing too. He was a little more temperamental early in the season. You can see he's evolved a little bit. He's not quite as emotional. He's not afraid. He can bark at Lincoln Riley. They can bark bat Ten minutes later, they're all good. So he takes to coaching. But here was Lincoln on our show last week on sort of what makes this kid just different? He has a cool athletic skill set, the way that he can move break tackles his threat as a runner. But then but you can buy and that with an arm that is in a vision for the game. That's that's really really unique, especially for a guy his age. You know, you see touch throws, you see the bombs down the field. He really can from a skill set wise do it all change arm angles, and then it has got a cool and tangible side to him too. He's a good leader, he's a competitor. He's done a good job here early on our time here at SC helping bring this this roster together. You know, you when you watch all these rebuild programs Texas, Miami, USC, a lot of these big brands, LSU, there is something that's pretty obvious. If you bring in an offensive coach and you have great quarterback play and maybe one or two really nice weapons, boy, you can win fast in college football. Now, you can turn it around fast. LSU and USC have turned it around fast, I said Friday. I think they both eventually lose before the end of the season. I think they're both very good. I don't think they're great. I think George is great. I think there have been certain halves in which Ohio State has been great. Outside of that, there's a lot of good in college football. George's great. Ohio State in moments is great. Not as consistent as Georgia, but that if you can't spot it with that kid's I mean it is. The comp with Mahomes feels really accurate now and he's got a good head on his shoulders, and it's gonna be hard for him because he's gonna hear how great he is for the next year and a half. He is gonna hear how spectacular he is. And Los Angeles has ruined a lot of adults. I don't think it'll ruin him, but it certainly it certainly made my Saturday. He's my Karment. I'm Dan Byer. We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex. Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, we come up with new episodes to not only look back at what happened, what you need to do at that minute, and also look ahead of what's coming up in the fantasy football world. That's right, Dan. Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup. Sits, darts, fantasy football players rankings. To get you ready to dominate the competition, listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmen and meet Dan Buyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. Where Colin was right, Lazing five had a great week. We were four and one. All the games broke our way. We had the Chargers plus the points we had the Bengals, Cowboys, Raiders. Four and one is hard to do. We're happy with it. Last week the game's broke the opposite way. This week they broke in our direction four to five, winning week. Feeling good about that. Where Colin was wrong, well, I left New England for dead. I just don't get their offense at all. But they are six and four. They would be, believe it or not, a playoff team today and a six seed third time this year. They held an opponent to three points or less. Their defense is second in the league. Their special teams are reliable, actually won in the game yesterday. Their run game isn't great, but it's certainly solid. The ceiling is obvious. Their twentieth in point scored. But Belichick on defense, run game, special teams today has him as a playoff caliber team. Where Colin was right, I said USC would beat UCLA. I said it's highest scoring, It'll be close, and it will be decided because Caleb Williams will make a play. And that's essentially exactly what happened. Thirty three touchdowns, three picks. Chip Kelly said, best college quarterback I've ever seen or ever faced. We said this earlier in the year. He would be the number one pick. Don't even argue in the NFL draft. He's got a lot of the homes. He's got one great receiver in Jordan Addison. This is a very very well coached team that is incredibly resourceful, a lot of transfers, a lot of kids who probably don't play on Sundays playing together. But the game against the Bruins was precisely what we thought it would be. Where Colin was raw Taylor, heine he keeps winning. I mean it may be ugly, fifteen to twenty seven, no touchdowns, no picks, but j Mack called it. He mostly wins the locker room. Let's Washington's defense win the game. He's got a fairly low ceiling, but a lot of what he does is a vibe and Carson Wentz turned off a lot of dudes in the room. Heineke has got that sort of blue collar overachiever thing, doesn't think he's better than he is and mostly avoids disasters. Here was Ron Rivera, after we're gonna go with Taylor, and well, you know, we'll work Carson back in and see where Carson is in terms of if he's ready to be the backup. What was it Taylor has shown you to lead you to this decision, winning that matters, winning where Colin was right, Well, I really like the Jets general manager Joe Douglas. I did not get the fascination with Zach Wilson. I just didn't get it. I thought he was undisciplined, a little small play too much hero ball and doesn't really, you know, hold himself accountable. I think there's talent there. I get that he's got a beautiful arm, and you know, I wouldn't bench him yet. I think you have to play for the rest of the season and see what you have. Maybe he can turn it around. And in fairness to Zach, he did not. He didn't get much run support. And Belichick's the best defensive coach on the planet. So let's be fair here. We weren't looking for two hundred and fifty yards throwing. We were looking for one hundred and sixty and figuring out a way to win ten to three. He couldn't do it. But so far I've been right on Zach Wilson. Where Colin was right. I thought the firing of the head coach and all the noise would be a problem for the Boston Celtics, but instead, now Jason Tatum is healthy and he's averaging thirty a night. Boy Tatum has been unbelievable. The new head coach. They're the best team in the NBA. Now, I still think they're very dependent on the health of centator Robert Williams when he plays. This is a great defensive team that can beat anybody. But Robert Williams gives you a shot against Janis or m beat and his health will be huge. But the new coach, old coach doesn't matter. Good roster, excellent culture, and Tatum is just absolutely fantastic. So far, they're thirteen and three, best record in the league. Where Colin was right, well, we predicted hot and cold Anthony Davis would have a great first half of the NBA season, I said, because of all the criticism levied against him last year, he'll work hard, he'll come in shape, and he'll battle. He's got three straight thirty plus games. He's top five in the NBA in rebounds and blocks. When he is engaged and healthy and in shape, Ad is fantastic twenty five and twelve and on the defensive end, a game changer. This was predictable. I still contend that eventually he will meet his match physically, and that if you want to move somebody, this is not a championship team. It's not close. They need wing defenders and shooters. Take phone calls on Anthony Davis. This great first half was entirely predictable. Where Colin was right. I didn't and don't enjoy watching Titans football. But I've got to tell you, I said Mike Vrabels on a short list of best coaches in this league. And when they beat Green Bay on Thursday, they're seven and three. And what's remarkable. Ryan Tannehill's been hurt. The backups, a kid, a later round kid. They've had half the defense gone, some of their offensive lineman gone. They took the Chiefs to overtime without getting a first down in the second half. Mike Vrabel's teams look like Mike Frabel, play like Mike Vrabel played resourceful and tough and smart and physical. And we told you weeks ago Rabels on a shortlist of great coaches in the National Football League. One More Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. On a Super Bowl, nine of the ten playoff wins in Saints franchise history are connected to the Sean Payton era. He's on our Fox NFL kickoff. We love having him here. On a Monday last week, he was traveling doing speeches and weddings and all the important stuff in life. Just went to dinner with his lovely wife and got the company of Sean Payton and she's wonderful. You were wonderful. So it's great to have you back. You know. I was watching Mahomes last I watched Caleb Williams for USC Saturday. Boy, that was something I watched that I had a chance to see most all of that game. And what do you see with him? I see now I'm gonna be professional here because I haven't seen the twenty two copy tape, you know. In other words, I'm watching the TV version, but watching the highlights, and I see all the things that you look for, you know, in other words, Uh, there's a presence, there's there's Um. I see athleticism and accuracy, yes, and in a big spot. Um, he's fun to watch. I look at that. He's fun to watch. I like what I see from him more on TV than what I'm supposed to be liking a lot from some of these others. Without talking about who the others are this, I agree with what you were discussing earlier when it was said he might be the first pick if he were coming out this year, and I, uh, just off of the TV stuff, I wouldn't disagree. So you you watch and the comp for him as Mahomes, which is always unfair, but starting spot though, yeah, it's not. There is something about this is that. Um, it's very rare. We always knew Brady, you didn't want to give him too much time, But with Mahomes, literally when they were down to a minute fifty, the discussion started. This is way too early. No, it was about it was about two and a half, and the announcers last night were Tredeko was talking about, Okay, now you've got to slow this puppy down, and it's like, so you you know the Mahomes factor. I mean, we always knew that. You give breeze Brady Manning, we know that, but it feels like fifty seconds now is the threshold for Mahomes. They didn't have a spy on him. What did you make of the defense? Yeah, look, there's a lot of routes to go. Obviously, you're you're trying to keep them in the pocket. You're trying to get extra help on a certain player like Kelsey and man for the most part, that was a back and forth battle obviously, and listening to him being interviewed after the game, and I think this his off schedule ability and I'm talking about this throw right here by Mahomes was amazing. You know, the tight end turned up and it was right there. I still get back to if you're able to really see all the other things that are happening with this player during the course of the game is where you really appreciate his greatness. And we see the the physical skill set, but his ability mentally to process very quickly. He's he's narrating covers zero, he's narrating Hey, number three's coming down in the box like the The additional information he's providing for his teammates is uncanny, and he takes pride in it, you can see. And so I think, the one thing which is difficult for me to watch. I can kick a field goal slow, like I can take time bleed time off the clock and kick a field goal and use the clock to kick a field goal. I don't know how to do that and score touchdown. And so a lot of times I'll hear a young group announcing the game where a veteran group say, well, be careful, we don't score too quickly here, And then I think to myself, how do I score slow touchdown? Meaning? Am I just choosing to score it on fourth down? Now? I know I can use the clock in the huddle and get to the line of scrimmage and not. I understand that, right, right, But scoring a slow field goals easy slow touchdowns. I just don't know how to do that yet. Yeah. By the way, Herbert Herbert is a different He's a little more mechanical than Mahalmes. But when I watched him, he made a play last night and it was a little play, but it's one of those that a pro athlete does and people just watch it and TV and think it's easy. It was his last touchdown where he can wait an extra beat because his arm is so strong. Yeah, he can give that defense. He can get right in his face and then he was back pedaling and it was only about a sixteen fifteen twelve yard throw. It was just a rope And I'm like, that's a pro athlete, you know, the Jordan's, and they make everything look so easy. I think Herbert can be a little mechanical, but delivery of ball, I like, like Burrow, it makes a mistake, forgets it. Yeah, that's why the game was so good last night, because when you're really paying attention to it all, it's no different than when you're seeing Mahomes and Alan go at it. We're seeing two of the better. We're seeing the best in the game right now and then arguably one of the other top four or five. And that was exciting to me to watch the skill level of those players. And you know, I heard you just when you guys started before I left the house. It's that downer if you have someone else and you're contending and you realize, well, we're not even on the same tea box as these if you have to start convincing yourself. Yeah. Yeah, but we just but we're wanting to like we were talking earlier, we're wanting to get to that major. We want to get to Augusta and then we'll worry about the black teas when we get there, you know, all the way back. We'll figure that out. So you've said on this show before, you like when a team plays poorly and wins because you can coach them home. Yeah, I think taking advantage of a win sometimes and you know you didn't play your best football. All these coaches today Monday is we've talked about it. The first half of the day is the game you just played, the corrections, getting the player's treatment, and then the second half of the day you jump on the next opponent. So everyone's coaching off of mistakes. There's no perfect game played, but periodically you can have a game you win and you know, and you know your players know, hey, we got a lot of work to do still, And I think that's a you can grow in in those type the situations, or you're the cowboys when you literally win by the middle of the second quarter. So Mike McCarthy, Now, it's interesting they have a series of games at home against average teams. They came off a blowout on the road. What's that like? How do you bring that locker room down just a bit? That's a great question. Um, I think, look, you're gonna go in there and you're going to discuss the corrections and look, that was an extremely well played game by Dallas. Yes, but I think you're going to take the approach. Well, then who scares us? In other words, if if that's what we can do, and you've kind of shown your hand talking to your team, then who do you who do you? Who do you get worried about? And the point is, hey, if we play like we're capable of playing, then you know we have a we have a shot to be one of these teams. And there's there's two or three of them, and there's two or three of them in the air to see. So I think honesty is always a good approach with your team. And the honest truth is we can be dominant defensively. We had great balance offensively, his numbers were fantastic, the balance with the running backs and all I would I would be very forthright and just say, hey, this is this is what we're capable of doing. And that was against a good team. Oh yeah, that was against a good team. So, um, when you you talked about this, Jimmy Johnson said something about a month ago, he said, and he got some pushback. He said, I want to see teams play Philadelphia. Second time when I heard him, and it's and it's people are like whoa, And it's like, well, we've always known Thanksgiving football on as different. So we're seeing some of these robust teams Philadelphia come way back down to earth. Explain that what is happening to Philadelphia's dynamic offense in the last couple of weeks. Well, I think the first thing is it's our league. In that, um, the the margin between let's say the Eagles in the middle of the pack NFC team is much closer than the margin of Ohio State and Purdue. Yeah, right, like that and so and then secondly, I think you know, we all we all get all the tape, every team gets every game played. So when you're playing the Eagles this upcoming week, you have eleven weeks of their season. You can go back to last season if you want to, you have all of their games last year. I think there's an epp and flow to how a team plays sometimes. They were certainly one of the hottest teams in our league, and in they've just you know, for whatever reason. Now I sometimes like to look on the other side of the slate and say, look, Indianapolis has found a little new life here. Um they did last week with a win, you know, two more wins, and he was going to become Jeff Sunday, not Jeff Saturday. That's what I said. We were going to give him a new name. So I think Indianapolis probably played a little bit more up to their standard Defensively, they were a good defensive year ago. I still think, and it's interesting now as you watch this NFC shape up, I still think one of the better teams in the NFC is going to play tonight at San Francisco, and we very well could see a San Francisco Philly type NFC championship game or the rematch of the forty nine ers in the Cowboys, which was the last year last year's was it wildcard game? Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things I try to avoid and I often don't is confirmation bias. So I didn't love Zach Wilson out of college, so it's easy for me if he struggles to go yeah, yeah, I told you yeah, And I'm trying to stay out of that. I didn't love Daniel Jones out of college. That's okay. With Carson Wentz, I hung on because I liked him out of college. I hung on too long, sure, So I was I was always worried about Zach. Takeaway, he was Johnny Manziel with a great arm. I didn't see discipline, uh kind of hero balled it a little small for my liking, but a big arm talent. But I saw a looseness and a casualness and a dependence on spectacular. This league is a lot about curls and flat and time out and spectacular. The coaching's too good. Yeah, even Mahomes, you don't get that much spectacular in this league. So now you're sitting there, if you're the coach, and I think Salah, I'm starting to see Salah's footprint, the defense, the passion, the physicality. I agree, I can see his coaches so you're sitting there thinking, boy, I like my GM, I like my coach, How long? What do you gotta see so that when you have those meetings where the quarterbacks not in it, what do you what do you have to see going forward? Exact? It's a great question. And I think that what they're able to see that we can't see, or all the other reps that take place in training camp, and all the other positives and negatives that take place during the course of the week, all the other and so they probably sitting in a staff meeting today have a better feeling of where they feel like they're at with him than we do. The mistake oftentimes in our league, though, is admitting when it comes to something like that, you know, a first round pick at quarterback, that we made a mistake, and so then it can be compounded though, and that costs everyone their job. And so I think this, I think they'll have a good idea when this season ends. Is this guy going to be a part of our Super Bowl? We always talk about the roster this way. Is this guy gonna be here when we win the next Super Bowl? Or is there going to be someone else in his spot? And so that was the language we used in New Orleans. Is he going to be a part of our next Super Bowl win? And and that just allowed you to think long term, he's going to be part of the solution as opposed to, uh, he's holding the fort right now because every team, you know, you have to have a handful of these hold the fort guys. Your rosters made up that way. Um, but I think, look, the loss of the running back has hurt them. They had no name that the greatest ally you can give that position is a running game. And back to Mahomes like this running back their hand and the ball off too. Now all right, not Edwards belt, but this this late round pick, where's he from? Oh? The number ten? Or what's his number? Listen? What did we like about him? Last? So when when Patrick gets a snap and he hands at the pacheco and it gains fourteen yards, there's just another snap that I'm gonna have X amount of these in the game. And I think, guys, when we about val I always say this about Kyler Murray. I want to see him have some easy snaps and teammates make some plays for him where he doesn't have to jump off the high dive. And I and I felt like I noticed that runner yesterday. I mean, he was explosive and he did some good things. It's going to be more difficult for Zach if if that doesn't exist, if it's just all me, you know. And so their ability I'm talking about the Jets to run the football is going to allow those people in charge of evaluating the quarterback a better opportunity in the evaluation process because currently, if we're evaluating on what we're currently seeing from their offense, we may move on and we may realize, look, it's been over all the offense and the surrounding parts. So I think they've got to be better at running the football, and I think that'll help him a little bit. But yeah, I mean I to watch that game unfold with a like a walk off punt return, and and I know New England's good on defense, and certainly they're well coached, but this was the this was this was the season the Jets are gonna beat the Patriots. That was the game. That game was there for you. This this is it. Here we go. It's been it's been forever. So you know, I've been doing this long enough that I have enough guys in the executive suite and scouts, and they've always they've always sort of held you and Andy Reid to a different standard. They'll be like a Peyton and Andy, you're just view. Now Shanahan has moved into that young sort of offensive guy that's got a system that is just a pain in the butt the face. Yeah, he can run on you even when you stack the box. So you and Andy have had for the greater part of fifteen years have been the offensive guys, the innovators, the playmakers, the schematic guys that you're not going to solve. You just keep coming up with stuff when when you want to circle back to the chiefs. One of the things I like about Mahomes is his ability because Andy's hard like you. He co just hard. He borrows. Yeah, yeah, and you do. I mean hard? Is that? Um? Did you ever? You always say that you watch plays and you kind of dabble and write stuff down. If I've never seen Andy Reid coach And I said, Sean, you say there's this I heard there's this guy in Kansas City, and he's like, Oh, he's special. How do you look at Andy Reid as an offensive guy? How do you look at Andy and at offense and what you see that you're amazement. Well, with great respects, with great respect. First off, you know there's a culture and he's created there. You can see it, you can feel it. Um there's also an offensive culture. And what I mean by that is it pretty soon all the assistance and Monday is a big day for this. They begin this advanced work on the opponent and they're looking for thoughts that they can give to Andy on Tuesday or Tuesday thoughts they can give to you know, in those big meetings, can they're play get to the list and then can it get from the list to the game? And then can it be called in the game. And there's nothing better when you're a young assistant receiver, coach, quarterback, coach, any one of those positions and one of your ideas makes it down the road and arrives in a game where it's a successful play like that is a big deal and and then there's a level of trust then and so you know we had that and have that, or had that New Orleans where and I used to say this all the time, man, don't get don't get discouraged. If that idea we just didn't get to in this week's plan. But it's contagious, and I think that Andy's a reason for that. He creates this competitive Yeah, and look when I broke into when I cut my teeth into this league in Philly, it was right before Andy got there. So I was part of Ray Rhodes's staff. I was with John Gruden and we cut up Green Bay and Andy Reid's teams. You know, when Homegrun's team, we cut up Shanahan. It's like every week we were studying those teams. And so for the last fifteen years, Andy Reid was someone we were studying at Kansas City, and even though we might be playing the New York Giants, we would still be cutting up and looking at touchdown, red zone, third down thoughts that week. That took place from the chiefs, like you have to stay that up to speed on it, or you're just not keeping up with you know, what's being served at the local pizza establishment. I just know there's a line of people out there that want to eat there, So I got to figure out what are they serving. And that's part of working at your craft and taking an interest, putting your own spin on it. And I think Andy's done that certainly as well as anyone. And he and I get back to these bloodlines, and in a little bit of our DNA, he had Mike come Greun who was that way, you know, And there was such a staff that came from Homegrun's group of coaches Tree. It's unbelievable, right, And they've gone on and so that type of stuff is a little contagious, and I think that, man, I love watching their offense because I look for ideas that red zone Kelsey thing where they brought him over and they had the way they blocked it and pinched it, and you're like, I haven't seen him use that play, No, and he just waited for the moment. Yeah, and anymore now it's become a little especially if if if you give Nance and Romo that game and and he's in the red zone and he's got five thousand plays down there inside the ten, No, it's just become legendary. And so that's when I sit back and be like, all right, he's he's got eight plays. Now, he's got one day to work on him. He's got two hours. Great seeing you, Sean mondays as always our favorite time, twenty twenty five minutes with Sean Payton loved every second of it. Thank you. Outstanding as always,