Thanks for listening to the Best of Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. What Up. Welcome in. This is the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. As we're at March ninth. March ninth, the eides of March are nearly upon us. That's a fifteen paria. There is college whoop everywhere, including a lot of college whoop news. I do have a kind of a couple of quick thoughts on that will sprinkle in. Got some thoughts NBA wise on the suddenly more than lukewarm Lakers right, and of course we have continuing news from the NFL. Give you my thoughts on Lamar Jackson a little bit later on in the show. Also what I'm hearing and feeling about Tom Brady and some people thinking he could make a comeback. But let's start where Colin has started many times recently, which is the Aaron Rodgers likely transition to the New York Jets. I mean, you've seen that commercial. Do you believe in? Deja deja deja vu? Stop me if you heard this before. But legendary Packers quarterback, former NFL MVP, Super Bowl champion quarterback of the Green Bay Packers thinks about retiring, decides to come back, thinks about retiring, decides to come back, thinks about retire. Oh yeah, they drafted his successor and it doesn't sit well with him, and he ends up with the Jets. We're told, we're told don't use cliches. The cliche here is you can't write this script. Uh, but you actually can. This one. You you could write because it's been written. And we have sequels. We have like, look, I'm watching Creed three, you know, mutching Creed three, And though he doesn't have a talking robot with his son, there is a a did did Adonna's Creed get soft? And of course you know he has a guy who will do anything to win. There's it's Creed three and Rocky three a lot of similarities there. There was no prediction of pain from mister t Nonetheless, there's a lot of similarities in the writing and the feel of where Rocky is in his life. So we do follow scripts and we also we become our parents. Right, you guys have seen that at and t ad where they're trying to stop people from becoming their parents. I mean, well, it's a progressive it's progressive, progressive ad. Sorry, let's give it progressive. They're they're due. Let's progressive ad stop people from becoming their parents. It's amazing. And and if you think about it, no, Brett father is not the father of Aaron Rodgers, but there's a connection there. There's almost there's a big brother, little brother or almost fatherly kind of age sort of difference. And you know, like so many things between fathers and sons, initially there's pushback and then ultimately as you get older, have you been doing a while, You're like, you know what the old man was right? FARV thought about retiring and decided to come back multiple times over and eventually obviously the difference there was they his last time retiring with as a packer they handed the reins over to Aaron Rodgers and then he's like, nah, yeah, I want to come back. Like, yeah, we've kind of moved on. It feels like the packers have moved on. But what happens as you get older, what happens that makes you feel like you're your dad? I mean, if Brett Farve is playing the role of father here, Brett Farve became kind of weirder as he got older, Right, he became more of who he initially was. Remember when they remember Brett Farve was on the track, Right, that was the famous story on the tractor. Even with his last season when he had again announced he was going to retire as Minnesota Viking after losing in the NFC Championship game to the New Orleans Saints, and then Chile Brad Childress sent a couple of dudes down there, and he came back and he had some Nike hat that looked like it had it had gone ten rounds with Tyson and had been on the tractor for five months straight. Right, the more far of age, the more kind of country, and more of a kind of recluse he became. Whereas Aaron Rodgers, who's from northern California. Right, he's from Chico. If you don't know Chico, Chico is like if when I grew up in southern California, if you went to Chico State or Humboldt State, you told everybody, I just want to go to college and smoke weed. That's what you That's basically the And I'm not accusing Aaron Rodgers of smoke in the hash, but he's become much more of the California hippie. The longer this thing has gone on, including the hair until it was recently cut, he's become Hey, man, he's if you said, where's Aaron Rodgers from five years ago, ten years ago, you might not say. Now you're like, oh, he's that's a that's a dude from California. That's my that's my stereotypical image. You come become kind of more of a recluse. You struggle to You struggled to understand the younger generation more like, are you kidney? He's really gonna go to the Jets where Brett fare. There's thirty one other teams other than the Packers, and Aaron Rodgers is going to go to the Jets. That just seems that seems too cliche, that seems like the script we've read before, but it feels like it's going to happen, and I'm I'm fair about it. Eric Mangini is gonna join us in about ten minutes. He was the coach of the Jets. If you remember when Brett got there, they were good. Initially they were nine and three, and then he suffered a bicep injury, and of course, because he's Brett Farve, he decided to play through it, and he couldn't really play through it, and the season tanked and they end up, you know, ultimately kind of fallen apart. And then there was some other stuff that wasn't so pretty that one't with it. But this is just its It strikes me as the Jets and their complete and utter desperation. Don't get me wrong, Aaron Rodgers. And if you've listened to this show long enough, and I filled in for Colin going back to the ESPN days and now through my six plus years of Fox, I've been as filling and I was for the majority of my radio career. I have told people unequivocally, Aaron Rodgers, if you had the boxes to check, what makes a great quarterback. He checked them all arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, toughness, intelligence, and just that special something to to find, you know, to find a window to relate to a wide receiver. It was their movement in the pocket. Could occasionally run for a first down. He's won a super Bowl, He's played well in big moments like all of those things. But I don't know if he've been paying attention recently. But his attitude. And this is where I will give Coling credit. He called Russell Westbrook before anybody called Wessell Restbrook. Of course, he was in love with Russell Wilson and that thing. Although he did say he wanted to leave it was major market whatever. He talked about Aaron Rodgers' inability to lead out of you know, in tough situations as a guy who's a great front runner but kind of a quitter when he's behind. And you look at the body language of Aaron Rodgers. That's the biggest thing, just the body language and the lack of willingness to show up for OTAs when you have new wide receivers and you know, the desire to connect with older players and hey make Brian Gunnikun's admit wrongdoing to cutting players who were over the hill and didn't have careers after they left Green Bay. Just like all of these things are just put him in a position where you just think he's a pen the ass. You know, look, Tom Brady can yell at his dudes, he get on the guys. But if you saw last year that that NFL film's footage of him against the Niners with tip like, he's still the come on, guys, can't fight, let's fight, whereas Rogers just gets mad and gives everybody like that's not how works works. So either he's going to go to the Jets and have skip the OTAs because I don't need it, give the same body bad by language when he doesn't agree with the play call and he's more, or he's gonna fake it for a time being. But there's a limited market out there for Aaron Rodgers, who's as good as anybody who's ever played the position, because you don't know what he's going to show up for when he plays, and he doesn't actually even though if he wants to play or if he wants to play beyond this year. But nothing could signify Aaron Rodgers on some level growing into his mentor becoming that guy. Honestly, it reminds me on some levels of Lincoln Riley. Right, remember Lincoln Riley who's now at USC Obviously, if you listen to the show, you know Collins infatuation, but like Lincoln Riley's from Texas, but you listen to him talk and he talks like he's a member of the Stoop's family from Ohio. You become your parent, you become your mentor, you become the people you surround and you look at the world in similar ways, even though they're from completely different backgrounds, drafted by different people, playing in Green Bay in different eras. Rogers is becoming more like far of every day and it just fascinates me because so many of us, as we age, we fight that thing. And I was just just the other day. I was having a conversation with somebody close to me and it was late and we were talking and somehow I got onto like ranking southern California high school basketball programs. I just got lost in a conversation and they're like what I was like, sorry, that's like my dad's stuff. Oh uh uh, I mean my dad was a peach. I'm sure yours was as well, there were things he did, like I, you know, falling asleep with the remote in your hand. Uh, becoming a worse and worse driver, and using using expressions that young people use in an effort to connect with them, and it getting more and more awkward. Yeah, I try to use sitch. What's the sitch here? Like your dad? You can't do that? Yeah, please don't snapchat me. That's you're too old a snapchat. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Let's welcome in. Eric Mangini, of course, uh works for Fox. You can see him as an NFL analyst and Fox Sports one. He joins us here in the Herd. Let me start Eric with your reaction to what Baltimore has decided to do with Lamar Jackson where they placed a non exclusive tag and then so many of these teams run the league saying as of now right, we're not really interested in proposing a contract, knowing two first round draft picks would have to go back and return in addition to whatever contract Demanci want. What's your reaction to the Lamar Jackson thing. Well, then at this point in the negotiation, they had to put a tag on him, and it makes sense from their perspective to do the non exclusive and let someone else go out and negotiate the contract because at that point they get to decide whether or not they want to match it, and if they don't want to match it, they're guaranteed at least two first round draft picks. So it's a really good level of compensation, and it allows the market to dictate what he's worth. And I'm sure they're they're hoping, you're anticipating that the market's going to come back and say that that their offer is more in line with what he's worth and then maybe what Lamar is hoping for. And at that point, Lamar has to make a decision as to whether or not he wants to make it difficult on the Ravens because he's only leveraged at that point. Is is the de out or to say you won't play for Baltimore. Um, the whole thing's fascinating to me because you have so many who don't work in the NFL or call people in the NFL. They act, they say, well, this is this is collusion the owners need to collude to know that the Deshaun Watson contracts a bad contract. And I mean like, look, Lamar's missed fifteen games the last two seasons, and this is in his early and mid twenties. The likelihood is the way he plays, You're gonna miss more games going forward. You know what? What What? What's your thoughts on so many accusations of collusion from people outside of the NFL. I feel like like we live in the age of conspiracy theories or anything that happens has to be a conspiracy, and there's not. There's not collusion. Every team in the NFL is going to do what's in their best interests. And when you look at the Deshaun Watson contractor itself, most the Browns did what they thought was in their best interests because they were battling it out with Atlantis, so they were willing to do something that nobody else has done. And teams aren't looking to help anybody else outside. Nobody's looking to help the Ravens out. No one's looking to help any other team out. If anything, you want to do things to make their life more difficult, to give yourself a competitive demanded. So the idea that the group is working together to try to eliminate a guaranteed contract. Yeah, I don't believe. In Minnesota did a guaranteed contract with Kirk Cousins back and what was a twenty eighteen for three years fully guaranteed. So the Desun Watson and at that point it was groundbreaking. Desaun Watson just took it up and asked with the five years. And if there's a team that decides Lamar's their best chance to win and to win bag, then I imagine they'll go ahead and give him what he wants and pay the price to Baltimore. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets reminds everybody obviously of Brett Farve to the Jets. You were the head coach, then, what was that experience like when you when you first got Brett? What was it like? Well, here here's the main different Doug is timeline. They're talking about getting this done now and in March, and we were dealing with it in the summer. Brett didn't actually come to us and we were I think the first time he showed up was at a Browns preseason game after we got the deal done. So it's a it's a radically different timeline that to me is a is a big advantage for the Jets right now if they if they can get it done, because it allows them to get him in the building, to get him settled, to get him acquainted with his teammates, assuming that that he's willing to take part in those things, which I imagine imagine he would want to to give himself a chance to be successful. Where with our situation it was it was a lot more rushed, and we had to alter things in the system to make sure that we were doing what was best for Brett. There's no sense in trading for a guy and running a system that he wasn't really good at. We wanted to maximize his ability, so we adjusted our offense to what he did well, and we asked him do some learning, but we asked a lot of other guys to do a lot of learning. I would imagine they'd be the same thing in New York, where if you're going to bring in Aaron, you're going to do what Aaron does best. And I think that was a mistake that Tampa Bay made with Tom Brady early on, and they didn't do what he did best. They started out kind of slow that first year, they transitioned to what he liked, and you know, we all know the story after that. People. I do think that one of the things that people misremember about the Jets is they look at how the season finished. But weren't you guys nine and three before he got hurt? Were actually I think we were eight and two before he got hurt, and then he was He had that streak going of consecutive starts, so you know, I probably should have pulled them at some point, but it's hard to break that streak. And the backup was Kevin Clemens as a trying to navigate through what to do there. But yeah, we were we were a rolling. We had just beat New England and then Tennessee, who I think was undefeated, and back to back games at Tennessee and then the uh, you know, he got dinged up and things things went saw from there. Yeah, he tried to play hurt and he keep you know, it's not not not the same guy, and then it went bad in a hurry. So what do you think the Jets can expect from Rodgers? Right? That's a big question, like you're pointing out, and it's accurate. The timeline is different. But we don't know if Aaron Rodgers is he gonna go to OTAs now that he didn't want to go last year? And what about the body language which has been an issue and the extra work with the wide receivers. What what should Jets fans or the Jets expect if Aaron Rodgers decides to do this, Well, you would you would hope that you get pissed off Aaron Rodgers. You would hope that you get Aaron Rodgers that it looks at this and said, okay, Green Bay has done with me. Let me let me show you you know what a mistake you made. Because I think pissed off Aaron Rodgers when they drafted Jordan Love when he didn't feel like he, you know, was getting the contract he deserved, was a two time MVP, and that guy, uh, you know, would be would be dangerous at any team, as opposed to complacent, sort of introspective Aaron Rodgers who doesn't necessarily want to be involved. I would imagine going to a new place, having new teammates, new coaches, a new environment, being in New York City, all of those things. There's a level of uncomfortableness, anxiety, Uh, anticipation nerves. That's that's I would would think would be exciting to anybody, even a guy who's achieved as much as as he has, And I would imagine that would would be a great thing for New York if you can get If you can get that guy now, Green Bay to me, has to get something from stansellin return for him going, and probably more than we got for Brett Farve. Otherwise, how do you justify taking that big of a cap hit and letting go of a player that caliber. It's it's a it's a it's a great point. One does say something about wanting to get out of the building. But two, we'll see if they can adjust the cap hitting three. Very interesting to see what goes back in return. There are contilling rumblings, even Scott Zolak, of course, it's a former Patriots quarterback now in the media covering the Patriots saying they're hearing whispers that Tom won't stay retired. Of course, Brady had the tweet about about his daughter making him adopt a kat earlier this week. What do you think the like it is that Tom stays retired? Well, Colin about mid season floated the idea of Tom going to the forty nine ers. And when I first heard, I thought, but I thought no chance, That makes no sign. And then as I thought it about it more, I got behind it. I loved the idea of him going to the forty nine ers to end his career with his childhood team. He goes to a team that's that's built to win, that has a really good defense, that can play complimentary football, and has two young quarterbacks on it. And who would you want your young quarterbacks to learn behind besides Tom Brady. So you've got Trey Lanson. We don't know where he's going to be coming off the injury, and he hasn't really played. And then you've got brock Party with his injury. You bring in Tom for for one year and with the team that they have, and now you've got a chance to, you know, potentially uh end a storied career with with with a fantastic ending, And also from San Francisco's perspective, get the two young guys that they do have in the building, a mentor that you know you you couldn't match by any stretch. Dana Jones contract was DOWNCE a couple of days ago. The contract details a little bit different than how it was initially initially released. You know, through all the various insiders, what do you think of the deal between the quarterback and the Giants? It's uh, I was I was surprised by it. It's uh. It's got to be one of those things where Brian feels really comfortable with the amount of progress of Daniel made from when he got there to the end of the season, and he gotta believe that that's not the ceiling. He's not anywhere near his ceiling, but he's got the potential in the year two to make another significant jump because look, he did a great job of reeling in the turnovers, especially the fumbles, but we're not talking about a guy who had a prolific amount of touchdownd passes and then made a lot of explosive offensive plays. You like the character that that he shows, You like the toughness that he shows, You like the leadership to the shows that the progress that he made, it's it's still a big number to the bank on you know, continued progress. Now that being said, what are your alternatives and when when you don't have a quarterback and it's it's it's pretty bleak so you're fighting not only what you think he can be, but also who you think you can get and and the giant thoughts just felt, you know, who he can be is a a pretty strong bet to forty million dollars on you mentioned, Um we talk about Brady midseason. Um, we talked about that on my show. The idea of the the other team that I think many people in the NFL thought Brady would go to is the Raiders. Now, Josh is looking for a quarterback Garoppolo, I mean, who does he stand pat with Stidham. What do you think Josh does in Vegas? I would I would imagine that Josh wants to to get a guy that that he can develop in his system and that can be there a long time. And Um, you know, look, that's that's what we all strive for when we take over a team, is to be able to get a young quarterback that that can grow within the system. I can't imagine Tom at the Raiders just because the defense is is not in great shape right now. They're not as ready when they've got good offensive weapons that they're not quite as ready to win collectively as say the forty nine ers. H But if I if I had a guest, I would I would think Josh would go or somebody young. Um, get a vethroom behind him and try to make that guy the quarterback there for the next you know, ten years. Okay, speaking of young guys. On one hand, you have a Bryce Young and I know you've seen him play. Anyone's seen Bryce Young play. I mean you go back to I watched him in high school. The guy is a great quarterback. But he's tiny, right, It's just he's a small human. He's he's a for a football player. He's tiny, right, He's five ten or so, one hundred ninety pounds. There's not much at weight that you can add. There's not much you need to add, but he's little. And then you have an Anthony Richardson who's built like a Greek god. You know, six four two thirty five, jumps forty inches, runs a four four four and get throw it. But we don't always know exactly where it's going. Um, you're you're back in a draft room. You need a quarterback. What do you do? Well, there's there's pluses, the minuses the boat. When you look at Bryce Young, there's been small quarterbacks that have been successful and Drew Brees stands out amongst that group, but it's it's the exception, not the rule, and it doesn't mean that Bryce Young can't go and do the same thing. And then when you look at Russell Wilson, he had great success, but he was also drafted the fourth round. So that to take a guy really high when when he's got inherent limitations based off size, it's hard to wrap your head around that you really want to if you're doing that to to that be a second round, a third unit round, you know, something along the line um. And then when you look at at at the big guys, where you don't want to do is get caught up in they have to be this height, they have to be this way. You have ideals that you're looking for in those areas, but at the end of the day, if you can't get the ball to the right spot on a consistent basis, or it's something that is more the rule than than say, uh, something that's correctable, it doesn't matter how good they look, it doesn't matter how much they make sense from a from a you know, height, weight, speed perspective. It's also got to make sense from a decision making perspective eat as well. Has it Has it changed because teams have been more capable of running some of those college offenses where you're playing on eleven eleven football, you're running your quarterback, especially that first contract, like you can run that quarterback more than you ever did recently. You may not, you may not want them for the second contractor for the gigantic contract. But because people are are using some of the read options stuff and and letting their young quarterbacks run more than previously, does that change how we look at Anthony Richardson early on his career. Well, when when you look at what's happening with Lamar, guys running quarterbacks and guys that they can do those sorts of things, and their agents need to take a step back and say, okay, is this what I want? Because you said it perfectly, you may not want them for their second contract. So here's Lamar, who's MVP of the league, who's I think forty five and sixteen, And it's not that they don't want him, but they don't know whether or not he can stay healthy. Well why because he runs the ball one hundred and thirty times a year. So so as you're as you're entering in the league and you're one of those guys that has that ability. How many times do you want to do that? Do you want to ever see a second contract? Do you do you want to? Or are you content with going in being sort of like a shooting star and collecting your first you know, block of money that's related to add and then have a bunch of teams turned around and say, well, you're hurt all the time. So yeah, you're right there. There are a lot of offenses from from college are are leaking into the NFL and are having an impact on the NFL. But at some point the players are gonna have to take a step back to and say, okay, this is this is really good for the teams? Is it good for me? Eric? Great stuff as always, hope you're well and uh man is it's got to be deja vu with the idea of of Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets back to those days when you were the head coach. Really appreciate you join us. Look forward to seeing you on TV very very soon. Be sure to catch live editions. I've the heard weekdays a New n Easter, not a Empacific. Let's talk some Lamar Jackson, shall we he doesn't have an agent said by not having an agent, we haven't had any leaks from Lamar in regards to what his thoughts and plans and you know what's really going on. That was why there were no real leaks in the in the injury, Is he really hurt? Can he come back in play? And then finally Lamar took to social media. But in the process, Lamar told you a long time ago that he felt like, if you didn't want to pay him two hundred and fifty million dollars, you didn't love Lamar. That's how he looks at this thing, don't you know. It's the old don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby, and tell me you love me, show me the money. And the argument has merit from this from the standpoint if you compare him to Deshaun Watson, he has an MVP Deshaun just not. He's never had to sustain a major catastrophic injury. Deshaun's torn his ACL twice once in college, once in the pros. I believe they have the same number of playoff wins, and he's never had any of the off the field trouble that Deshaun has had. So if you compare, like, if you're doing comps right, Well, his house is three thousand feet in my house is three thousand feet. You got a pool, I got a pool. You're on the we're on the same street. I'm actually actually at the end of a cul de sac. Even better, all right, there's open space behind mine. Line's a better builder, we got a better open floor plan, all these other things like, yeah, and the problem is that the rest of the houses on the street didn't sell for what that one outlier house was. And I don't know how to tell you this, but your house hasn't been kept up nearly as well. You've had issues with the foundation, Like what do you mean, Well, Lamar won the MVP three years ago, he hadn't been the same guy since now. You can say his team hasn't been the same since. That'd be fair, But a big reason is he hasn't been the same since. He just hasn't. He's still effective, but this past year he was the most inaccurate starting quarterback in the NFL. There's an actual advanced stats to show that now again, still effective because he's arguably, maybe inarguably the best running quarterback we've ever seen a right. But there's the there's this sticky part to it. You didn't have an agent and you're like, well, what does that mean. Well, there's two different levels to it. One, your feelings can get hurt if you're sitting in on a meeting or your mom's sitting in on a meeting and they're talking to you about why they don't want to give you the biggest contract in the history of the sport, despite the fact that you have some there's like, there's pluses, there's minuses. Yeah, DeShawn has that, but again he was it was a special situation. It was omitting and this there was only one team that went anywhere near that deal. Since then, Kyler's deal didn't come up that level. Since then, even Aaron Rodgers reworked deal didn't come to that level. Derek Carr reworked, the deal, didn't come ela Derek Car's new deal didn't. You go around the league and no one's contract compares to it, no one. Pat Mahomes has a longer deal, but it's not fully guaranteed. And then the other part to having an agent is they know how to work in workable bonuses. So It may not have read two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed or two hundred and forty fully guarantee, whatever, but it essentially looked just about the same you do this is I get that you can change your oil on your on your own. I get that you can. It's actually more like changing your tire. Yet, can you change your own tire? You should as a grown up, especially as a man, you gotta be able to change the tire. But you get a flat tire in the four oh five. I'm calling triple a Colin Troblay too many times. You've seen too many people that's a professional. They get all the equipment, they can pop it up, pop it out. You can go sit and wait in the truck. I want nothing to do with being anywhere near that freeway while I'm changing the tire. Sorry, same thing here, Same thing here. But the interesting part to the exercise is how many of these former and current players sound off on social media about it's got a big collusion. I thought Colin said it perfectly yesterday. You don't have to colude when you know what a good and a bad deal is. These are pretty successful businessman, all right. The Shaun Watson contracts a bad one. They didn't win last year. It's prohibitively more difficult to win this year because this year there's a gigantic cap hit. And by the way, to Shaun's like, wow, where you work the deal? Well, if you rework the deal, you know what happens to the Shaun Watson. He actually gets more more money up front. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays and nun Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. I thought this was great. Robert Griffin, the third, of course, works for ESPN. When the news first came out that he was getting the non exclusive tag and all the reports of various teams quote likely not being interested, his tweet was quoting Lamar Jackson is a unanimous MVP, has led the NFL in passing touchdowns. Of course he didn't recently, but again, like, we're dealing with three year old data, But that's fine, it's twenty six years old, is forty five and sixteen as a starter in all the QB needy teams are saying they aren't interested. Doesn't smell right to me. Right, So immediately when you say doesn't smell right. It makes you think one of two things. Well, there's either a collusion or is it some sort of bias against against Lamar Jackson. Two hours later, okay, Robert Griffin tweets Team Source Ravens hope negotiating with other teams will give them and Lamar an unbiased look at the market for him. Ravens aren't reluctant to give Lamar a top quarterback market deal, but hope a non exclusive franchise tag will speed up their own installed negotiations with him. This is all most all these guys need to do. Just call somebody you know, JJ wat tweet like it just doesn't make sense. Hey, JJ, pick up the phone, call anybody in a front office that you played for and ask them what they think is what's really going on here? And they'll say the exact same thing, like, dude, he's asking for. It's like listing your house for some rede this amount when the market has settled, and then you put in the market and you have an open house. You have a real or open house. Why do you have a real or open house because real just walked through and go like, hey, I really like the house, but you mispriced it. You mispriced it. But something I thought was fascinating this ere's a parallel to this deal because we still run the possibility. While teams are saying they're not interested, what they're saying is, well, we're not interested at five years guaranteed, two hundred fifty million dollars and we got to give you two first round picks. And the guy's been hurt, miss fifteen games to past two years, miss ten of the last twenty two games of the Ravens. Like, yeah, no, that's look at these teams around the NFL. The models to copy are you know, the Seahawks when they had Russell Wilson as a fourth round pick, the Cowboys when they had when they had dak as a fourth round pick. A right, the Bengals currently, right now, Bengals have two elite picks, but they're under rookie contracts, rookie control. I mean, that's why the window for the Chargers is right now, because even if they give Herbert a contract extension this offseason, it doesn't count against the cap until years to come. Now is the time you built. You build around a young, inexpensive quarterback, and then you got to decide do we keep this guy and can we keep me at a reasonable rate? And that's what the Giants have done. It's like, if you actually look at the details of the Giants contract, they had Dana Jones on a rookie deal. They're completely rebuilding the thing. And then the contract this year only counts Cain seven percent of the cap, so they can add some of those weapons that were missing. And then he makes mid thirties. Okay, it's a higher percentage of the cap, and you give him a year maybe two to see if if if when surrounded by a better team, he's good enough. Not you start the whole process over again. So the Eagles have done right. There's a reason that most of the teams that advanced in the playoffs this year did so, with the exception of the Chiefs with a quarterback on a rookie contract, because despite what you may read on social media here, on some of these shows, owners don't they don't get to general managers, owners from office people. It's not like, oh, hey, we saved ten million dollars on Lamar Jackson's contract. Fellas, let's go to Vegas. Everybody buy a new house. You want to boat, let's do it, we got like, no, that money gets reinvested to the rest of the roster. But but but here's here's a big here's a big and important thing. Okay. Can we agree that the Ravens, at least when Ozzie K Newsom was there, and nothing Eric da Costa has done has led us to believe otherwise? Can we agree that it's a pretty well run organization. They won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilford quarterback, They won a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco quarterback, right, and Lamar Jackson has been way better than anybody thought. Okay, but that was a good football team that he took over. They had a top five defense when they were making the playoffs. It's a you're going to be good. This is a lot like the Albert pool Hoole Saint Louis Cardinals negotiation. And if you remember, Albert Pools was offered somewhere into like one hundred and sixty million dollars six years, one hundred sixty million dollars for the Cardinals before his last season with the Cardinals, and then at the end they tacked on a bunch of extra years or whatever, and it looked like it was nine years, but it's really a six year deal. And Pools instead signed with the Angels, who are not the highest bit of the Marlins were, and he made all that money, and the Cardinals still want a World Series and we're competitive without them. Okay, it still happened. They were still competitive without them, And I think that's what the Ravens are sitting here going like, look, man, we want to give you a lot of money. We want to give you more money than you can ever spend. We want you to be our quarterback. But we also want to be good. That's our whole goal. We want to be good. Like the way we all stay employed is not resigning you. The way we all stay employed is putting out a good product, winning games. Everybody makes more money that way. And at the end of the day, you got to decide, do I want to go to a place? I mean maybe Atlanta, circles Back or Carolina, But again, look at those places, how often have they been competitive? How often have the Ravens been competitive. Brady understood this, right, Brady got this that the true legacy's are built on how many times you can get in the playoffs and give your shows. He's only won one playoff game in his career one. We don't know what he looks like outside of Greg Roman system where he won an MVP. We don't know healthy can be. And the market is telling you you're asking for too much. Lower you're asking price and it'll generate more interest. And the Ravens are telling you, hey, we're just like the Saint Louis Cardinals. We're gonna win when you're here where you're not here, we really really really want you to stay, but we're not going to give you a ridiculous contract. And I love the fact that RG three actually talk to some of the team and then suddenly came completely down off the Something doesn't smell right now, it actually smells right. Here's what they're doing. Here's why it makes sense. He's just asking for too much money. It's not collusion. It has nothing to do with anything other than business. How do we operate in a function which and function where we have cost certainty with our quarterback, but at a reasonable eight where we can field a really good football team.

Thanks for listening to the Best of Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. What Up. Welcome in. This is the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. As we're at March ninth. March ninth, the eides of March are nearly upon us. That's a fifteen paria. There is college whoop everywhere, including a lot of college whoop news. I do have a kind of a couple of quick thoughts on that will sprinkle in. Got some thoughts NBA wise on the suddenly more than lukewarm Lakers right, and of course we have continuing news from the NFL. Give you my thoughts on Lamar Jackson a little bit later on in the show. Also what I'm hearing and feeling about Tom Brady and some people thinking he could make a comeback. But let's start where Colin has started many times recently, which is the Aaron Rodgers likely transition to the New York Jets. I mean, you've seen that commercial. Do you believe in? Deja deja deja vu? Stop me if you heard this before. But legendary Packers quarterback, former NFL MVP, Super Bowl champion quarterback of the Green Bay Packers thinks about retiring, decides to come back, thinks about retiring, decides to come back, thinks about retire. Oh yeah, they drafted his successor and it doesn't sit well with him, and he ends up with the Jets. We're told, we're told don't use cliches. The cliche here is you can't write this script. Uh, but you actually can. This one. You you could write because it's been written. And we have sequels. We have like, look, I'm watching Creed three, you know, mutching Creed three, And though he doesn't have a talking robot with his son, there is a a did did Adonna's Creed get soft? And of course you know he has a guy who will do anything to win. There's it's Creed three and Rocky three a lot of similarities there. There was no prediction of pain from mister t Nonetheless, there's a lot of similarities in the writing and the feel of where Rocky is in his life. So we do follow scripts and we also we become our parents. Right, you guys have seen that at and t ad where they're trying to stop people from becoming their parents. I mean, well, it's a progressive it's progressive, progressive ad. Sorry, let's give it progressive. They're they're due. Let's progressive ad stop people from becoming their parents. It's amazing. And and if you think about it, no, Brett father is not the father of Aaron Rodgers, but there's a connection there. There's almost there's a big brother, little brother or almost fatherly kind of age sort of difference. And you know, like so many things between fathers and sons, initially there's pushback and then ultimately as you get older, have you been doing a while, You're like, you know what the old man was right? FARV thought about retiring and decided to come back multiple times over and eventually obviously the difference there was they his last time retiring with as a packer they handed the reins over to Aaron Rodgers and then he's like, nah, yeah, I want to come back. Like, yeah, we've kind of moved on. It feels like the packers have moved on. But what happens as you get older, what happens that makes you feel like you're your dad? I mean, if Brett Farve is playing the role of father here, Brett Farve became kind of weirder as he got older, Right, he became more of who he initially was. Remember when they remember Brett Farve was on the track, Right, that was the famous story on the tractor. Even with his last season when he had again announced he was going to retire as Minnesota Viking after losing in the NFC Championship game to the New Orleans Saints, and then Chile Brad Childress sent a couple of dudes down there, and he came back and he had some Nike hat that looked like it had it had gone ten rounds with Tyson and had been on the tractor for five months straight. Right, the more far of age, the more kind of country, and more of a kind of recluse he became. Whereas Aaron Rodgers, who's from northern California. Right, he's from Chico. If you don't know Chico, Chico is like if when I grew up in southern California, if you went to Chico State or Humboldt State, you told everybody, I just want to go to college and smoke weed. That's what you That's basically the And I'm not accusing Aaron Rodgers of smoke in the hash, but he's become much more of the California hippie. The longer this thing has gone on, including the hair until it was recently cut, he's become Hey, man, he's if you said, where's Aaron Rodgers from five years ago, ten years ago, you might not say. Now you're like, oh, he's that's a that's a dude from California. That's my that's my stereotypical image. You come become kind of more of a recluse. You struggle to You struggled to understand the younger generation more like, are you kidney? He's really gonna go to the Jets where Brett fare. There's thirty one other teams other than the Packers, and Aaron Rodgers is going to go to the Jets. That just seems that seems too cliche, that seems like the script we've read before, but it feels like it's going to happen, and I'm I'm fair about it. Eric Mangini is gonna join us in about ten minutes. He was the coach of the Jets. If you remember when Brett got there, they were good. Initially they were nine and three, and then he suffered a bicep injury, and of course, because he's Brett Farve, he decided to play through it, and he couldn't really play through it, and the season tanked and they end up, you know, ultimately kind of fallen apart. And then there was some other stuff that wasn't so pretty that one't with it. But this is just its It strikes me as the Jets and their complete and utter desperation. Don't get me wrong, Aaron Rodgers. And if you've listened to this show long enough, and I filled in for Colin going back to the ESPN days and now through my six plus years of Fox, I've been as filling and I was for the majority of my radio career. I have told people unequivocally, Aaron Rodgers, if you had the boxes to check, what makes a great quarterback. He checked them all arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, toughness, intelligence, and just that special something to to find, you know, to find a window to relate to a wide receiver. It was their movement in the pocket. Could occasionally run for a first down. He's won a super Bowl, He's played well in big moments like all of those things. But I don't know if he've been paying attention recently. But his attitude. And this is where I will give Coling credit. He called Russell Westbrook before anybody called Wessell Restbrook. Of course, he was in love with Russell Wilson and that thing. Although he did say he wanted to leave it was major market whatever. He talked about Aaron Rodgers' inability to lead out of you know, in tough situations as a guy who's a great front runner but kind of a quitter when he's behind. And you look at the body language of Aaron Rodgers. That's the biggest thing, just the body language and the lack of willingness to show up for OTAs when you have new wide receivers and you know, the desire to connect with older players and hey make Brian Gunnikun's admit wrongdoing to cutting players who were over the hill and didn't have careers after they left Green Bay. Just like all of these things are just put him in a position where you just think he's a pen the ass. You know, look, Tom Brady can yell at his dudes, he get on the guys. But if you saw last year that that NFL film's footage of him against the Niners with tip like, he's still the come on, guys, can't fight, let's fight, whereas Rogers just gets mad and gives everybody like that's not how works works. So either he's going to go to the Jets and have skip the OTAs because I don't need it, give the same body bad by language when he doesn't agree with the play call and he's more, or he's gonna fake it for a time being. But there's a limited market out there for Aaron Rodgers, who's as good as anybody who's ever played the position, because you don't know what he's going to show up for when he plays, and he doesn't actually even though if he wants to play or if he wants to play beyond this year. But nothing could signify Aaron Rodgers on some level growing into his mentor becoming that guy. Honestly, it reminds me on some levels of Lincoln Riley. Right, remember Lincoln Riley who's now at USC Obviously, if you listen to the show, you know Collins infatuation, but like Lincoln Riley's from Texas, but you listen to him talk and he talks like he's a member of the Stoop's family from Ohio. You become your parent, you become your mentor, you become the people you surround and you look at the world in similar ways, even though they're from completely different backgrounds, drafted by different people, playing in Green Bay in different eras. Rogers is becoming more like far of every day and it just fascinates me because so many of us, as we age, we fight that thing. And I was just just the other day. I was having a conversation with somebody close to me and it was late and we were talking and somehow I got onto like ranking southern California high school basketball programs. I just got lost in a conversation and they're like what I was like, sorry, that's like my dad's stuff. Oh uh uh, I mean my dad was a peach. I'm sure yours was as well, there were things he did, like I, you know, falling asleep with the remote in your hand. Uh, becoming a worse and worse driver, and using using expressions that young people use in an effort to connect with them, and it getting more and more awkward. Yeah, I try to use sitch. What's the sitch here? Like your dad? You can't do that? Yeah, please don't snapchat me. That's you're too old a snapchat. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Let's welcome in. Eric Mangini, of course, uh works for Fox. You can see him as an NFL analyst and Fox Sports one. He joins us here in the Herd. Let me start Eric with your reaction to what Baltimore has decided to do with Lamar Jackson where they placed a non exclusive tag and then so many of these teams run the league saying as of now right, we're not really interested in proposing a contract, knowing two first round draft picks would have to go back and return in addition to whatever contract Demanci want. What's your reaction to the Lamar Jackson thing. Well, then at this point in the negotiation, they had to put a tag on him, and it makes sense from their perspective to do the non exclusive and let someone else go out and negotiate the contract because at that point they get to decide whether or not they want to match it, and if they don't want to match it, they're guaranteed at least two first round draft picks. So it's a really good level of compensation, and it allows the market to dictate what he's worth. And I'm sure they're they're hoping, you're anticipating that the market's going to come back and say that that their offer is more in line with what he's worth and then maybe what Lamar is hoping for. And at that point, Lamar has to make a decision as to whether or not he wants to make it difficult on the Ravens because he's only leveraged at that point. Is is the de out or to say you won't play for Baltimore. Um, the whole thing's fascinating to me because you have so many who don't work in the NFL or call people in the NFL. They act, they say, well, this is this is collusion the owners need to collude to know that the Deshaun Watson contracts a bad contract. And I mean like, look, Lamar's missed fifteen games the last two seasons, and this is in his early and mid twenties. The likelihood is the way he plays, You're gonna miss more games going forward. You know what? What What? What's your thoughts on so many accusations of collusion from people outside of the NFL. I feel like like we live in the age of conspiracy theories or anything that happens has to be a conspiracy, and there's not. There's not collusion. Every team in the NFL is going to do what's in their best interests. And when you look at the Deshaun Watson contractor itself, most the Browns did what they thought was in their best interests because they were battling it out with Atlantis, so they were willing to do something that nobody else has done. And teams aren't looking to help anybody else outside. Nobody's looking to help the Ravens out. No one's looking to help any other team out. If anything, you want to do things to make their life more difficult, to give yourself a competitive demanded. So the idea that the group is working together to try to eliminate a guaranteed contract. Yeah, I don't believe. In Minnesota did a guaranteed contract with Kirk Cousins back and what was a twenty eighteen for three years fully guaranteed. So the Desun Watson and at that point it was groundbreaking. Desaun Watson just took it up and asked with the five years. And if there's a team that decides Lamar's their best chance to win and to win bag, then I imagine they'll go ahead and give him what he wants and pay the price to Baltimore. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets reminds everybody obviously of Brett Farve to the Jets. You were the head coach, then, what was that experience like when you when you first got Brett? What was it like? Well, here here's the main different Doug is timeline. They're talking about getting this done now and in March, and we were dealing with it in the summer. Brett didn't actually come to us and we were I think the first time he showed up was at a Browns preseason game after we got the deal done. So it's a it's a radically different timeline that to me is a is a big advantage for the Jets right now if they if they can get it done, because it allows them to get him in the building, to get him settled, to get him acquainted with his teammates, assuming that that he's willing to take part in those things, which I imagine imagine he would want to to give himself a chance to be successful. Where with our situation it was it was a lot more rushed, and we had to alter things in the system to make sure that we were doing what was best for Brett. There's no sense in trading for a guy and running a system that he wasn't really good at. We wanted to maximize his ability, so we adjusted our offense to what he did well, and we asked him do some learning, but we asked a lot of other guys to do a lot of learning. I would imagine they'd be the same thing in New York, where if you're going to bring in Aaron, you're going to do what Aaron does best. And I think that was a mistake that Tampa Bay made with Tom Brady early on, and they didn't do what he did best. They started out kind of slow that first year, they transitioned to what he liked, and you know, we all know the story after that. People. I do think that one of the things that people misremember about the Jets is they look at how the season finished. But weren't you guys nine and three before he got hurt? Were actually I think we were eight and two before he got hurt, and then he was He had that streak going of consecutive starts, so you know, I probably should have pulled them at some point, but it's hard to break that streak. And the backup was Kevin Clemens as a trying to navigate through what to do there. But yeah, we were we were a rolling. We had just beat New England and then Tennessee, who I think was undefeated, and back to back games at Tennessee and then the uh, you know, he got dinged up and things things went saw from there. Yeah, he tried to play hurt and he keep you know, it's not not not the same guy, and then it went bad in a hurry. So what do you think the Jets can expect from Rodgers? Right? That's a big question, like you're pointing out, and it's accurate. The timeline is different. But we don't know if Aaron Rodgers is he gonna go to OTAs now that he didn't want to go last year? And what about the body language which has been an issue and the extra work with the wide receivers. What what should Jets fans or the Jets expect if Aaron Rodgers decides to do this, Well, you would you would hope that you get pissed off Aaron Rodgers. You would hope that you get Aaron Rodgers that it looks at this and said, okay, Green Bay has done with me. Let me let me show you you know what a mistake you made. Because I think pissed off Aaron Rodgers when they drafted Jordan Love when he didn't feel like he, you know, was getting the contract he deserved, was a two time MVP, and that guy, uh, you know, would be would be dangerous at any team, as opposed to complacent, sort of introspective Aaron Rodgers who doesn't necessarily want to be involved. I would imagine going to a new place, having new teammates, new coaches, a new environment, being in New York City, all of those things. There's a level of uncomfortableness, anxiety, Uh, anticipation nerves. That's that's I would would think would be exciting to anybody, even a guy who's achieved as much as as he has, And I would imagine that would would be a great thing for New York if you can get If you can get that guy now, Green Bay to me, has to get something from stansellin return for him going, and probably more than we got for Brett Farve. Otherwise, how do you justify taking that big of a cap hit and letting go of a player that caliber. It's it's a it's a it's a great point. One does say something about wanting to get out of the building. But two, we'll see if they can adjust the cap hitting three. Very interesting to see what goes back in return. There are contilling rumblings, even Scott Zolak, of course, it's a former Patriots quarterback now in the media covering the Patriots saying they're hearing whispers that Tom won't stay retired. Of course, Brady had the tweet about about his daughter making him adopt a kat earlier this week. What do you think the like it is that Tom stays retired? Well, Colin about mid season floated the idea of Tom going to the forty nine ers. And when I first heard, I thought, but I thought no chance, That makes no sign. And then as I thought it about it more, I got behind it. I loved the idea of him going to the forty nine ers to end his career with his childhood team. He goes to a team that's that's built to win, that has a really good defense, that can play complimentary football, and has two young quarterbacks on it. And who would you want your young quarterbacks to learn behind besides Tom Brady. So you've got Trey Lanson. We don't know where he's going to be coming off the injury, and he hasn't really played. And then you've got brock Party with his injury. You bring in Tom for for one year and with the team that they have, and now you've got a chance to, you know, potentially uh end a storied career with with with a fantastic ending, And also from San Francisco's perspective, get the two young guys that they do have in the building, a mentor that you know you you couldn't match by any stretch. Dana Jones contract was DOWNCE a couple of days ago. The contract details a little bit different than how it was initially initially released. You know, through all the various insiders, what do you think of the deal between the quarterback and the Giants? It's uh, I was I was surprised by it. It's uh. It's got to be one of those things where Brian feels really comfortable with the amount of progress of Daniel made from when he got there to the end of the season, and he gotta believe that that's not the ceiling. He's not anywhere near his ceiling, but he's got the potential in the year two to make another significant jump because look, he did a great job of reeling in the turnovers, especially the fumbles, but we're not talking about a guy who had a prolific amount of touchdownd passes and then made a lot of explosive offensive plays. You like the character that that he shows, You like the toughness that he shows, You like the leadership to the shows that the progress that he made, it's it's still a big number to the bank on you know, continued progress. Now that being said, what are your alternatives and when when you don't have a quarterback and it's it's it's pretty bleak so you're fighting not only what you think he can be, but also who you think you can get and and the giant thoughts just felt, you know, who he can be is a a pretty strong bet to forty million dollars on you mentioned, Um we talk about Brady midseason. Um, we talked about that on my show. The idea of the the other team that I think many people in the NFL thought Brady would go to is the Raiders. Now, Josh is looking for a quarterback Garoppolo, I mean, who does he stand pat with Stidham. What do you think Josh does in Vegas? I would I would imagine that Josh wants to to get a guy that that he can develop in his system and that can be there a long time. And Um, you know, look, that's that's what we all strive for when we take over a team, is to be able to get a young quarterback that that can grow within the system. I can't imagine Tom at the Raiders just because the defense is is not in great shape right now. They're not as ready when they've got good offensive weapons that they're not quite as ready to win collectively as say the forty nine ers. H But if I if I had a guest, I would I would think Josh would go or somebody young. Um, get a vethroom behind him and try to make that guy the quarterback there for the next you know, ten years. Okay, speaking of young guys. On one hand, you have a Bryce Young and I know you've seen him play. Anyone's seen Bryce Young play. I mean you go back to I watched him in high school. The guy is a great quarterback. But he's tiny, right, It's just he's a small human. He's he's a for a football player. He's tiny, right, He's five ten or so, one hundred ninety pounds. There's not much at weight that you can add. There's not much you need to add, but he's little. And then you have an Anthony Richardson who's built like a Greek god. You know, six four two thirty five, jumps forty inches, runs a four four four and get throw it. But we don't always know exactly where it's going. Um, you're you're back in a draft room. You need a quarterback. What do you do? Well, there's there's pluses, the minuses the boat. When you look at Bryce Young, there's been small quarterbacks that have been successful and Drew Brees stands out amongst that group, but it's it's the exception, not the rule, and it doesn't mean that Bryce Young can't go and do the same thing. And then when you look at Russell Wilson, he had great success, but he was also drafted the fourth round. So that to take a guy really high when when he's got inherent limitations based off size, it's hard to wrap your head around that you really want to if you're doing that to to that be a second round, a third unit round, you know, something along the line um. And then when you look at at at the big guys, where you don't want to do is get caught up in they have to be this height, they have to be this way. You have ideals that you're looking for in those areas, but at the end of the day, if you can't get the ball to the right spot on a consistent basis, or it's something that is more the rule than than say, uh, something that's correctable, it doesn't matter how good they look, it doesn't matter how much they make sense from a from a you know, height, weight, speed perspective. It's also got to make sense from a decision making perspective eat as well. Has it Has it changed because teams have been more capable of running some of those college offenses where you're playing on eleven eleven football, you're running your quarterback, especially that first contract, like you can run that quarterback more than you ever did recently. You may not, you may not want them for the second contractor for the gigantic contract. But because people are are using some of the read options stuff and and letting their young quarterbacks run more than previously, does that change how we look at Anthony Richardson early on his career. Well, when when you look at what's happening with Lamar, guys running quarterbacks and guys that they can do those sorts of things, and their agents need to take a step back and say, okay, is this what I want? Because you said it perfectly, you may not want them for their second contract. So here's Lamar, who's MVP of the league, who's I think forty five and sixteen, And it's not that they don't want him, but they don't know whether or not he can stay healthy. Well why because he runs the ball one hundred and thirty times a year. So so as you're as you're entering in the league and you're one of those guys that has that ability. How many times do you want to do that? Do you want to ever see a second contract? Do you do you want to? Or are you content with going in being sort of like a shooting star and collecting your first you know, block of money that's related to add and then have a bunch of teams turned around and say, well, you're hurt all the time. So yeah, you're right there. There are a lot of offenses from from college are are leaking into the NFL and are having an impact on the NFL. But at some point the players are gonna have to take a step back to and say, okay, this is this is really good for the teams? Is it good for me? Eric? Great stuff as always, hope you're well and uh man is it's got to be deja vu with the idea of of Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets back to those days when you were the head coach. Really appreciate you join us. Look forward to seeing you on TV very very soon. Be sure to catch live editions. I've the heard weekdays a New n Easter, not a Empacific. Let's talk some Lamar Jackson, shall we he doesn't have an agent said by not having an agent, we haven't had any leaks from Lamar in regards to what his thoughts and plans and you know what's really going on. That was why there were no real leaks in the in the injury, Is he really hurt? Can he come back in play? And then finally Lamar took to social media. But in the process, Lamar told you a long time ago that he felt like, if you didn't want to pay him two hundred and fifty million dollars, you didn't love Lamar. That's how he looks at this thing, don't you know. It's the old don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby, and tell me you love me, show me the money. And the argument has merit from this from the standpoint if you compare him to Deshaun Watson, he has an MVP Deshaun just not. He's never had to sustain a major catastrophic injury. Deshaun's torn his ACL twice once in college, once in the pros. I believe they have the same number of playoff wins, and he's never had any of the off the field trouble that Deshaun has had. So if you compare, like, if you're doing comps right, Well, his house is three thousand feet in my house is three thousand feet. You got a pool, I got a pool. You're on the we're on the same street. I'm actually actually at the end of a cul de sac. Even better, all right, there's open space behind mine. Line's a better builder, we got a better open floor plan, all these other things like, yeah, and the problem is that the rest of the houses on the street didn't sell for what that one outlier house was. And I don't know how to tell you this, but your house hasn't been kept up nearly as well. You've had issues with the foundation, Like what do you mean, Well, Lamar won the MVP three years ago, he hadn't been the same guy since now. You can say his team hasn't been the same since. That'd be fair, But a big reason is he hasn't been the same since. He just hasn't. He's still effective, but this past year he was the most inaccurate starting quarterback in the NFL. There's an actual advanced stats to show that now again, still effective because he's arguably, maybe inarguably the best running quarterback we've ever seen a right. But there's the there's this sticky part to it. You didn't have an agent and you're like, well, what does that mean. Well, there's two different levels to it. One, your feelings can get hurt if you're sitting in on a meeting or your mom's sitting in on a meeting and they're talking to you about why they don't want to give you the biggest contract in the history of the sport, despite the fact that you have some there's like, there's pluses, there's minuses. Yeah, DeShawn has that, but again he was it was a special situation. It was omitting and this there was only one team that went anywhere near that deal. Since then, Kyler's deal didn't come up that level. Since then, even Aaron Rodgers reworked deal didn't come to that level. Derek Carr reworked, the deal, didn't come ela Derek Car's new deal didn't. You go around the league and no one's contract compares to it, no one. Pat Mahomes has a longer deal, but it's not fully guaranteed. And then the other part to having an agent is they know how to work in workable bonuses. So It may not have read two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed or two hundred and forty fully guarantee, whatever, but it essentially looked just about the same you do this is I get that you can change your oil on your on your own. I get that you can. It's actually more like changing your tire. Yet, can you change your own tire? You should as a grown up, especially as a man, you gotta be able to change the tire. But you get a flat tire in the four oh five. I'm calling triple a Colin Troblay too many times. You've seen too many people that's a professional. They get all the equipment, they can pop it up, pop it out. You can go sit and wait in the truck. I want nothing to do with being anywhere near that freeway while I'm changing the tire. Sorry, same thing here, Same thing here. But the interesting part to the exercise is how many of these former and current players sound off on social media about it's got a big collusion. I thought Colin said it perfectly yesterday. You don't have to colude when you know what a good and a bad deal is. These are pretty successful businessman, all right. The Shaun Watson contracts a bad one. They didn't win last year. It's prohibitively more difficult to win this year because this year there's a gigantic cap hit. And by the way, to Shaun's like, wow, where you work the deal? Well, if you rework the deal, you know what happens to the Shaun Watson. He actually gets more more money up front. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays and nun Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. I thought this was great. Robert Griffin, the third, of course, works for ESPN. When the news first came out that he was getting the non exclusive tag and all the reports of various teams quote likely not being interested, his tweet was quoting Lamar Jackson is a unanimous MVP, has led the NFL in passing touchdowns. Of course he didn't recently, but again, like, we're dealing with three year old data, But that's fine, it's twenty six years old, is forty five and sixteen as a starter in all the QB needy teams are saying they aren't interested. Doesn't smell right to me. Right, So immediately when you say doesn't smell right. It makes you think one of two things. Well, there's either a collusion or is it some sort of bias against against Lamar Jackson. Two hours later, okay, Robert Griffin tweets Team Source Ravens hope negotiating with other teams will give them and Lamar an unbiased look at the market for him. Ravens aren't reluctant to give Lamar a top quarterback market deal, but hope a non exclusive franchise tag will speed up their own installed negotiations with him. This is all most all these guys need to do. Just call somebody you know, JJ wat tweet like it just doesn't make sense. Hey, JJ, pick up the phone, call anybody in a front office that you played for and ask them what they think is what's really going on here? And they'll say the exact same thing, like, dude, he's asking for. It's like listing your house for some rede this amount when the market has settled, and then you put in the market and you have an open house. You have a real or open house. Why do you have a real or open house because real just walked through and go like, hey, I really like the house, but you mispriced it. You mispriced it. But something I thought was fascinating this ere's a parallel to this deal because we still run the possibility. While teams are saying they're not interested, what they're saying is, well, we're not interested at five years guaranteed, two hundred fifty million dollars and we got to give you two first round picks. And the guy's been hurt, miss fifteen games to past two years, miss ten of the last twenty two games of the Ravens. Like, yeah, no, that's look at these teams around the NFL. The models to copy are you know, the Seahawks when they had Russell Wilson as a fourth round pick, the Cowboys when they had when they had dak as a fourth round pick. A right, the Bengals currently, right now, Bengals have two elite picks, but they're under rookie contracts, rookie control. I mean, that's why the window for the Chargers is right now, because even if they give Herbert a contract extension this offseason, it doesn't count against the cap until years to come. Now is the time you built. You build around a young, inexpensive quarterback, and then you got to decide do we keep this guy and can we keep me at a reasonable rate? And that's what the Giants have done. It's like, if you actually look at the details of the Giants contract, they had Dana Jones on a rookie deal. They're completely rebuilding the thing. And then the contract this year only counts Cain seven percent of the cap, so they can add some of those weapons that were missing. And then he makes mid thirties. Okay, it's a higher percentage of the cap, and you give him a year maybe two to see if if if when surrounded by a better team, he's good enough. Not you start the whole process over again. So the Eagles have done right. There's a reason that most of the teams that advanced in the playoffs this year did so, with the exception of the Chiefs with a quarterback on a rookie contract, because despite what you may read on social media here, on some of these shows, owners don't they don't get to general managers, owners from office people. It's not like, oh, hey, we saved ten million dollars on Lamar Jackson's contract. Fellas, let's go to Vegas. Everybody buy a new house. You want to boat, let's do it, we got like, no, that money gets reinvested to the rest of the roster. But but but here's here's a big here's a big and important thing. Okay. Can we agree that the Ravens, at least when Ozzie K Newsom was there, and nothing Eric da Costa has done has led us to believe otherwise? Can we agree that it's a pretty well run organization. They won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilford quarterback, They won a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco quarterback, right, and Lamar Jackson has been way better than anybody thought. Okay, but that was a good football team that he took over. They had a top five defense when they were making the playoffs. It's a you're going to be good. This is a lot like the Albert pool Hoole Saint Louis Cardinals negotiation. And if you remember, Albert Pools was offered somewhere into like one hundred and sixty million dollars six years, one hundred sixty million dollars for the Cardinals before his last season with the Cardinals, and then at the end they tacked on a bunch of extra years or whatever, and it looked like it was nine years, but it's really a six year deal. And Pools instead signed with the Angels, who are not the highest bit of the Marlins were, and he made all that money, and the Cardinals still want a World Series and we're competitive without them. Okay, it still happened. They were still competitive without them, And I think that's what the Ravens are sitting here going like, look, man, we want to give you a lot of money. We want to give you more money than you can ever spend. We want you to be our quarterback. But we also want to be good. That's our whole goal. We want to be good. Like the way we all stay employed is not resigning you. The way we all stay employed is putting out a good product, winning games. Everybody makes more money that way. And at the end of the day, you got to decide, do I want to go to a place? I mean maybe Atlanta, circles Back or Carolina, But again, look at those places, how often have they been competitive? How often have the Ravens been competitive. Brady understood this, right, Brady got this that the true legacy's are built on how many times you can get in the playoffs and give your shows. He's only won one playoff game in his career one. We don't know what he looks like outside of Greg Roman system where he won an MVP. We don't know healthy can be. And the market is telling you you're asking for too much. Lower you're asking price and it'll generate more interest. And the Ravens are telling you, hey, we're just like the Saint Louis Cardinals. We're gonna win when you're here where you're not here, we really really really want you to stay, but we're not going to give you a ridiculous contract. And I love the fact that RG three actually talk to some of the team and then suddenly came completely down off the Something doesn't smell right now, it actually smells right. Here's what they're doing. Here's why it makes sense. He's just asking for too much money. It's not collusion. It has nothing to do with anything other than business. How do we operate in a function which and function where we have cost certainty with our quarterback, but at a reasonable eight where we can field a really good football team.