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Here we go, Ready to roll. It is a Wednesday, Game three of the Finals, Nuggets Heat tonight live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We're stacked today, absolutely stacked. I swear I am reading all the pearl clutching by the sports media, the golf media. Jmax. I don't think those people have ever actually won a business. I have a guess. No, Yeah, they're lobbing grenades if they don't have any idea how the world work.

Here we go, Ready to roll. It is a Wednesday, Game three of the Finals, Nuggets Heat tonight live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We're stacked today, absolutely stacked. I swear I am reading all the pearl clutching by the sports media, the golf media. Jmax. I don't think those people have ever actually won a business. I have a guess. No, Yeah, they're lobbing grenades if they don't have any idea how the world work.

Couple of us up here a front business.

Couple of us up here a front business.

Yeah, it's it's hard, and there's decisions, and you do business with lots of different people and crazy. So I want to I want to start with that. So as of this morning, and I know a percentage of you are uncomfortable with this. But the PGA Golf is run now by a Saudi Arabian investment fund. You got a problem with that because the biggest companies advertisers for golf, they do business with Saudi Arabia. You got a problem with that. There's been tournaments European Tour with authoritarian governments. By the way, I used to work for ESPN. Do you know the first company that owned ESPN Getty oil oil business dealt with the Middle East, the pearl clutching. Some of you media peeps ever run a business? Not everything's perfect, It's hard. Brooks, Koepka, Phil Mickelson left. They needed their stars back. I saw a headline today by a golf writer pro golf will never be the same. What is it other than tax exempt? What is golf? Let me describe golf for you. Augusta National. They run the Masters, the USGA runs the US Open. The PGA of America runs the PGA Championship. Not to be confused with the PGA that's different than the PGA of America. The RNA Golf Club runs the British Open and the Ryder Cup is jointly run, I mean says this is like bitcoin. Who's got shares? You thought NFT was confusing golf is boxing with a four iron convoluted, weirdly managed hanky wonky. Who knows who runs this stuff off? Maybe the Saudi Arabian investment firm unifies it. Alan ship Knock, a great golf writer, talked about this yesterday, the sanctimony being lob by all the purists.

Yeah, it's it's hard, and there's decisions, and you do business with lots of different people and crazy. So I want to I want to start with that. So as of this morning, and I know a percentage of you are uncomfortable with this. But the PGA Golf is run now by a Saudi Arabian investment fund. You got a problem with that because the biggest companies advertisers for golf, they do business with Saudi Arabia. You got a problem with that. There's been tournaments European Tour with authoritarian governments. By the way, I used to work for ESPN. Do you know the first company that owned ESPN Getty oil oil business dealt with the Middle East, the pearl clutching. Some of you media peeps ever run a business? Not everything's perfect, It's hard. Brooks, Koepka, Phil Mickelson left. They needed their stars back. I saw a headline today by a golf writer pro golf will never be the same. What is it other than tax exempt? What is golf? Let me describe golf for you. Augusta National. They run the Masters, the USGA runs the US Open. The PGA of America runs the PGA Championship. Not to be confused with the PGA that's different than the PGA of America. The RNA Golf Club runs the British Open and the Ryder Cup is jointly run, I mean says this is like bitcoin. Who's got shares? You thought NFT was confusing golf is boxing with a four iron convoluted, weirdly managed hanky wonky. Who knows who runs this stuff off? Maybe the Saudi Arabian investment firm unifies it. Alan ship Knock, a great golf writer, talked about this yesterday, the sanctimony being lob by all the purists.

The European PGA Tour would have gone out of business a long time ago if it was not hosting its biggest money events in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, China, that tourist state in business in these playing in these these places with autocratic governments. And it's always been a factor in the sports world. I mean you mentioned the EPL, I mean half of those teams in the English Premier League are now owned by Saudi Arabia or other Middle Eastern interests, and so it always felt a little hollow and a little sanctimonious. Now, the tour's biggest sponsors, Coca Cola, FedEx, Morgan Stanley, they all do business in Saudi Arabia. They have for a long time, so the lines got very blurry.

The European PGA Tour would have gone out of business a long time ago if it was not hosting its biggest money events in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, China, that tourist state in business in these playing in these these places with autocratic governments. And it's always been a factor in the sports world. I mean you mentioned the EPL, I mean half of those teams in the English Premier League are now owned by Saudi Arabia or other Middle Eastern interests, and so it always felt a little hollow and a little sanctimonious. Now, the tour's biggest sponsors, Coca Cola, FedEx, Morgan Stanley, they all do business in Saudi Arabia. They have for a long time, so the lines got very blurry.

The Masters, the US Open get TV ratings, the British Open hit and miss starts too early in the morning for many of you. And the PGA Championship depends on who wins it. But it's always been a hodgepodge of management in golf. Hopefully now it can be unified. But the bigger picture is I can't keep track of some of your morals in sanctimony. So let me get this straight. You don't care who makes your iPhone. You don't care who makes your sports shoes you're wearing for your kids, your sports apparel. You don't care about the apps on your smartphone, and you apparently don't care that your government has relationships as Saudi Arabia as our number two trading partner. None of that matters to you. Where you draw a line is golfers the hell? What are you talking about? Even Rory McElroy little egg on his face today, little bit of an idealist, even he admitted this morning, golf's going to be better funded, It's gonna be better.

The Masters, the US Open get TV ratings, the British Open hit and miss starts too early in the morning for many of you. And the PGA Championship depends on who wins it. But it's always been a hodgepodge of management in golf. Hopefully now it can be unified. But the bigger picture is I can't keep track of some of your morals in sanctimony. So let me get this straight. You don't care who makes your iPhone. You don't care who makes your sports shoes you're wearing for your kids, your sports apparel. You don't care about the apps on your smartphone, and you apparently don't care that your government has relationships as Saudi Arabia as our number two trading partner. None of that matters to you. Where you draw a line is golfers the hell? What are you talking about? Even Rory McElroy little egg on his face today, little bit of an idealist, even he admitted this morning, golf's going to be better funded, It's gonna be better.

It's hard to it's hard for me to not sit up here and feel somewhat like a sacrificial lum and you know, feeling like I've put myself out there and this is what happens again, removing myself from the situation. I see how this is better for the game of golf. There's no denying that. But for me as an individual, yeah, I there's just gonna have to be conversations that are hot.

It's hard to it's hard for me to not sit up here and feel somewhat like a sacrificial lum and you know, feeling like I've put myself out there and this is what happens again, removing myself from the situation. I see how this is better for the game of golf. There's no denying that. But for me as an individual, yeah, I there's just gonna have to be conversations that are hot.

Yes, you're gonna have to pay like a fee to Rory McElroy and a Brooks Koepka and a Phil Mickelson for them to show up to your tournament. And Phil Mickelson has talked about that, and Greg Norman, who was a rock star, have talked about that for ten to fifteen to twenty years. It's not a new thing. But before you start pearl clutching and telling me about your morals. TikTok from China. Twitter owned largely not just by Elon Musk but Saudi Arabia government's number two trading partner. Sports apparels, sports shoes. You wear them, your kids wear them, your favorite team wears them. That doesn't bother you, nor does it with our government. You draw the line at golfers because it never bothered you that the biggest sponsors had relationships in the Middle East that never bothered you. But the individual golfer, that is the line. Come on, golf's probably probably better today and better funded certainly. All right, So Game three tonight, Nuggets and the Heat, and the two groups in America that are just for me non starters. I just literally I will not listen to anything two groups in America ever have to say election deniers and the NBA is rigged. There are no two bigger groups of weirdos than those groups. The elections aren't rigged and the NBA isn't either. How do I know that because in the last twelve years, if Denver wins the championship, here are the NBA champs, Mavericks in a football town, Raptors in Canada, Spurs, Milwaukee, Bucks, Cleveland and maybe Denver. And oh, by the way, the Warriors first title was in twenty fifteen. That was their first in forty five years. I remember the Rick Berry teams. I remember the Clifford Ray, Jeff Mullen, Yes, j Max looking at me, what is he talking about? I remember that some of the first basketball I watched. Most of you don't. They were not a big franchise, they were not a national team before Steph Curry. Okay, so you can say, what about the Warriors, What about them? They just happened to stumble upon Steph Curry, but their first championship in twenty fifteen, they were not a big brand. So if Denver wins over half, the last twelve winners are non traditional powers. No Celtics, Lakers was in the bubble, No Chicago Bulls, no New York Knicks, no Philadelphia seventy six ers. Listen for the record, if you were a CD referee or degenerate gambler and wanted to rig basketball, you'd do college basketball because ninety percent of the games are not on television and nobody would know, and the players are mostly college kids, and they're broke. You could buy them off. But Denver and Miami are proving that excellent coaching staffs not just the head coach. Excellent coaching staffs. Drafting smartly. Yokic went in the second round, player development, demanding players are accountable, solid supporting cast, and two great playoff performers Jimmy Butler and Jokic. These are the two best teams. And I do wonder if the two best teams are coming down to one clear reality. In the first two games, Miami has gotten an inordinate amount, a bizarre amount of what the NBA terms analytically as wide open threes sixteen in game one and ten in game two. Game one they couldn't hit them, Game two they did. That is a high, a bizarrely high number of wide open threes twenty six and two games. And my guest, teams generally shoot a little better at home if they hit them tonight and get them tonight. Miami wins tonight and winner of Game three I think wins the any series about sixty sixty five percent of the time. I still think Denver is better. But the election is rig crowd and the NBA is rig crowd. Are two groups. I'm just not interested whatsoever in listening to. Denver is a football city. Miami is a transient city. They don't support most sports outside of the Miami Heat. The hockey team, the football team, the college teams that don't really get universal support, annual support. These are the teams that have earned their way there. All right, It is great to have you in today. The golf stuff is I tell you, I don't talk a lot of golf, although I like watching the majors, but an investment fund in Saudi Arabia now essentially runs the sport, and Rory McElroy was totally honest, we're better funded. It's better for the sport. They were leaking oil, so to speak. On the PGA tour, sponsors were bailing. They wanted their stars. They got him back in every other entertainment business, and golf is entertainment too. Stars drive the bus. They lost Brooks Koepka, they lost Phil Mickelson. Be one thing. If Tiger was still in his prime, maybe you don't do it. That golden goose is over. Tiger's not dependable. Brooks and Phil Mickelson are the two guys, along with Rory McElroy, that get me to a TV set. All three are conjoined.

Yes, you're gonna have to pay like a fee to Rory McElroy and a Brooks Koepka and a Phil Mickelson for them to show up to your tournament. And Phil Mickelson has talked about that, and Greg Norman, who was a rock star, have talked about that for ten to fifteen to twenty years. It's not a new thing. But before you start pearl clutching and telling me about your morals. TikTok from China. Twitter owned largely not just by Elon Musk but Saudi Arabia government's number two trading partner. Sports apparels, sports shoes. You wear them, your kids wear them, your favorite team wears them. That doesn't bother you, nor does it with our government. You draw the line at golfers because it never bothered you that the biggest sponsors had relationships in the Middle East that never bothered you. But the individual golfer, that is the line. Come on, golf's probably probably better today and better funded certainly. All right, So Game three tonight, Nuggets and the Heat, and the two groups in America that are just for me non starters. I just literally I will not listen to anything two groups in America ever have to say election deniers and the NBA is rigged. There are no two bigger groups of weirdos than those groups. The elections aren't rigged and the NBA isn't either. How do I know that because in the last twelve years, if Denver wins the championship, here are the NBA champs, Mavericks in a football town, Raptors in Canada, Spurs, Milwaukee, Bucks, Cleveland and maybe Denver. And oh, by the way, the Warriors first title was in twenty fifteen. That was their first in forty five years. I remember the Rick Berry teams. I remember the Clifford Ray, Jeff Mullen, Yes, j Max looking at me, what is he talking about? I remember that some of the first basketball I watched. Most of you don't. They were not a big franchise, they were not a national team before Steph Curry. Okay, so you can say, what about the Warriors, What about them? They just happened to stumble upon Steph Curry, but their first championship in twenty fifteen, they were not a big brand. So if Denver wins over half, the last twelve winners are non traditional powers. No Celtics, Lakers was in the bubble, No Chicago Bulls, no New York Knicks, no Philadelphia seventy six ers. Listen for the record, if you were a CD referee or degenerate gambler and wanted to rig basketball, you'd do college basketball because ninety percent of the games are not on television and nobody would know, and the players are mostly college kids, and they're broke. You could buy them off. But Denver and Miami are proving that excellent coaching staffs not just the head coach. Excellent coaching staffs. Drafting smartly. Yokic went in the second round, player development, demanding players are accountable, solid supporting cast, and two great playoff performers Jimmy Butler and Jokic. These are the two best teams. And I do wonder if the two best teams are coming down to one clear reality. In the first two games, Miami has gotten an inordinate amount, a bizarre amount of what the NBA terms analytically as wide open threes sixteen in game one and ten in game two. Game one they couldn't hit them, Game two they did. That is a high, a bizarrely high number of wide open threes twenty six and two games. And my guest, teams generally shoot a little better at home if they hit them tonight and get them tonight. Miami wins tonight and winner of Game three I think wins the any series about sixty sixty five percent of the time. I still think Denver is better. But the election is rig crowd and the NBA is rig crowd. Are two groups. I'm just not interested whatsoever in listening to. Denver is a football city. Miami is a transient city. They don't support most sports outside of the Miami Heat. The hockey team, the football team, the college teams that don't really get universal support, annual support. These are the teams that have earned their way there. All right, It is great to have you in today. The golf stuff is I tell you, I don't talk a lot of golf, although I like watching the majors, but an investment fund in Saudi Arabia now essentially runs the sport, and Rory McElroy was totally honest, we're better funded. It's better for the sport. They were leaking oil, so to speak. On the PGA tour, sponsors were bailing. They wanted their stars. They got him back in every other entertainment business, and golf is entertainment too. Stars drive the bus. They lost Brooks Koepka, they lost Phil Mickelson. Be one thing. If Tiger was still in his prime, maybe you don't do it. That golden goose is over. Tiger's not dependable. Brooks and Phil Mickelson are the two guys, along with Rory McElroy, that get me to a TV set. All three are conjoined.

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So one of the reasons I don't talk a lot of NBA during when it starts in October, November, December, January, February, March is it's fools gold first of all, Football's king. I stay on that. And then in March I go take a vacation or two talk some college basketball, and then I kind of dive into the NBA heavily in April and May and in early June, which is where we are now. And one of the reasons I do that is because I think sports talk is NBA. Sports talk in October, November, December, January, February is the cotton candy of our industry. No substance, no nutritional value, is fools gold. All the time wasted the last ten years talking about Westbrook hardened jaw Morant in the regular season means nothing in May and June. Zippo. Jimmy Butler matters when the NBA matters late April, May and early June. Nick Wright and I discussed this, is he one of the top five players yesterday on the show.

So one of the reasons I don't talk a lot of NBA during when it starts in October, November, December, January, February, March is it's fools gold first of all, Football's king. I stay on that. And then in March I go take a vacation or two talk some college basketball, and then I kind of dive into the NBA heavily in April and May and in early June, which is where we are now. And one of the reasons I do that is because I think sports talk is NBA. Sports talk in October, November, December, January, February is the cotton candy of our industry. No substance, no nutritional value, is fools gold. All the time wasted the last ten years talking about Westbrook hardened jaw Morant in the regular season means nothing in May and June. Zippo. Jimmy Butler matters when the NBA matters late April, May and early June. Nick Wright and I discussed this, is he one of the top five players yesterday on the show.

How could anyone argue that when it comes to the postseason they would rather have Joel Embiid, that they would rather have any of those other guys who have shown have not shown the ability to raise their game in these moments. And so, if Jimmy Butler is not a top five player in basketball, fine, is he a top five playoff player? Absolutely he is. If you can only have an eighty two game guy like a James Harden or a sixteen game guy like Jimmy Butler. Obviously, Jimmy Butler's more valuable.

How could anyone argue that when it comes to the postseason they would rather have Joel Embiid, that they would rather have any of those other guys who have shown have not shown the ability to raise their game in these moments. And so, if Jimmy Butler is not a top five player in basketball, fine, is he a top five playoff player? Absolutely he is. If you can only have an eighty two game guy like a James Harden or a sixteen game guy like Jimmy Butler. Obviously, Jimmy Butler's more valuable.

For the record. Television ratings in the NBA indicate it's that sixteen game part that you actually watch much more than the eighty two game part. And Butler's like a really good accountant. He's available to you all year, but you really need him in April. Jimmy Butler, to me, in a game seven or a big series, is a top five player in the NBA, and Jimmy Butler matters when the NBA really matters. No cotton candy here. It's all substance, all substance, all real calories with Jimmy Butler. That's why it's easy to root for Miami.

For the record. Television ratings in the NBA indicate it's that sixteen game part that you actually watch much more than the eighty two game part. And Butler's like a really good accountant. He's available to you all year, but you really need him in April. Jimmy Butler, to me, in a game seven or a big series, is a top five player in the NBA, and Jimmy Butler matters when the NBA really matters. No cotton candy here. It's all substance, all substance, all real calories with Jimmy Butler. That's why it's easy to root for Miami.

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I like to be positive inside the building. I am known as optimistic Uncle Colin. I like to take the positive sides. I've tried with the Green Bay Packers to be very positive in regards to Jordan Love taking over for Aaron Rodgers. But I saw another headline yesterday Matt Lafleur says, Jordan Love has made some really significant strides this week, like literally strides, like he's running and he's his strides are I have never sold my stock on a football team in an Ota faster that I'm selling Green Bays now. So here's the last four headlines that we basically have on Jordan Love. Remember this one marks twenty eighth. We all have to kind of temper expectations for Jordan Love.

I like to be positive inside the building. I am known as optimistic Uncle Colin. I like to take the positive sides. I've tried with the Green Bay Packers to be very positive in regards to Jordan Love taking over for Aaron Rodgers. But I saw another headline yesterday Matt Lafleur says, Jordan Love has made some really significant strides this week, like literally strides, like he's running and he's his strides are I have never sold my stock on a football team in an Ota faster that I'm selling Green Bays now. So here's the last four headlines that we basically have on Jordan Love. Remember this one marks twenty eighth. We all have to kind of temper expectations for Jordan Love.

We do.

We do.

I don't even have high expectations. You want me to temper my mediocre ones. Remember the next headline, May twenty third, Matt Lafleur on Jordan Love a lot of good things, a lot to clean up. Really, it's year four. He's not even playing in game regularly. What's start to clean up footwork? It's year four. The next headline, June first, David Bochdiari defends Packers are entering a rebuild and switch from Aaron to Jordan Love. Yes, David Bochtiari said, June first, we are in a rebuild. This is not a rebuild roster or a rebuild coach. If it's in a rebuild, it means Jordan Love is not very good. It's a good roster, it's a good coaching staff, it's a good up front office. It is, and we got any more headlines here? Oh June six, Matt Lafleur says Jordan Love has made significant strides in OTAs significant. Listen, the NFL has pivoted to a one way to win league. You gotta be really good at quarterback, and the Packers don't have one. Apparently. I saw this story this morning when I came in Green Bay. Packer fans are re acting to rookie Sean Clifford out dueling Jordan Love during practice. That's the fifth headline. Thank god Green Bays in a division with the Bears. Thank god they're in the NFC, and thank god their schedule early in the NFL is littered with tomato cans. So I went and looked at the Packers' schedule, and let me tell you, I came up with six wins based on those five headlines. I think they'll win early in Week two at Atlanta, They'll beat New Orleans and Vegas, and then I think they go on an eight or nine game losing streak. I'll give them a win over Tampa Carolina and hosting Chicago late. But folks, I'm just reading the headlines you start looking at. I'll give them some early wins, but that the middle of that schedule at Benver Minnesota. Just look at the quarterbacks you face, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Herbert Patrick, Mahomes, Jared goff As a lot of l's there. So I think we're going into what the Packers were in the eighties kind of irrelevant. They don't have a great quarterback. It's increasingly a quarterback league. This is not a time when if you had, you know, ten fifteen years ago, great running back in great defense, you could be a dominating team. Those days are over. So I look, this morning, I'm moving to six and eleven with the Green Bay Packers. I was trying to be very positive, very positive. I got him at six wins this morning. I went to the schedule, and I don't think that's negative. I'm doing that based on five different headlines.

I don't even have high expectations. You want me to temper my mediocre ones. Remember the next headline, May twenty third, Matt Lafleur on Jordan Love a lot of good things, a lot to clean up. Really, it's year four. He's not even playing in game regularly. What's start to clean up footwork? It's year four. The next headline, June first, David Bochdiari defends Packers are entering a rebuild and switch from Aaron to Jordan Love. Yes, David Bochtiari said, June first, we are in a rebuild. This is not a rebuild roster or a rebuild coach. If it's in a rebuild, it means Jordan Love is not very good. It's a good roster, it's a good coaching staff, it's a good up front office. It is, and we got any more headlines here? Oh June six, Matt Lafleur says Jordan Love has made significant strides in OTAs significant. Listen, the NFL has pivoted to a one way to win league. You gotta be really good at quarterback, and the Packers don't have one. Apparently. I saw this story this morning when I came in Green Bay. Packer fans are re acting to rookie Sean Clifford out dueling Jordan Love during practice. That's the fifth headline. Thank god Green Bays in a division with the Bears. Thank god they're in the NFC, and thank god their schedule early in the NFL is littered with tomato cans. So I went and looked at the Packers' schedule, and let me tell you, I came up with six wins based on those five headlines. I think they'll win early in Week two at Atlanta, They'll beat New Orleans and Vegas, and then I think they go on an eight or nine game losing streak. I'll give them a win over Tampa Carolina and hosting Chicago late. But folks, I'm just reading the headlines you start looking at. I'll give them some early wins, but that the middle of that schedule at Benver Minnesota. Just look at the quarterbacks you face, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Herbert Patrick, Mahomes, Jared goff As a lot of l's there. So I think we're going into what the Packers were in the eighties kind of irrelevant. They don't have a great quarterback. It's increasingly a quarterback league. This is not a time when if you had, you know, ten fifteen years ago, great running back in great defense, you could be a dominating team. Those days are over. So I look, this morning, I'm moving to six and eleven with the Green Bay Packers. I was trying to be very positive, very positive. I got him at six wins this morning. I went to the schedule, and I don't think that's negative. I'm doing that based on five different headlines.

Okay, do you remember we talked about this when Brady left the Patriots?

Okay, do you remember we talked about this when Brady left the Patriots?

Yeah, okay, Belichick had to pivot to Cam Newton.

Yeah, okay, Belichick had to pivot to Cam Newton.

Then he got Mack Jones, and we'll see, are we talking about a major wasteland here for the Packers. Like going forward, they're gonna just they're not gonna be able to find a fight because they're not. Their defense is good enough. They're not going to be like a.

Then he got Mack Jones, and we'll see, are we talking about a major wasteland here for the Packers. Like going forward, they're gonna just they're not gonna be able to find a fight because they're not. Their defense is good enough. They're not going to be like a.

Three win team. No, this is a good B B plus roster. There's a lot they have elite corner, a great young safety Rashawn Gary, an emerging star receiver, a star running back dalk Teri is a top three tackle. Their old line drow is good, a winning coach, an offensive coach.

Three win team. No, this is a good B B plus roster. There's a lot they have elite corner, a great young safety Rashawn Gary, an emerging star receiver, a star running back dalk Teri is a top three tackle. Their old line drow is good, a winning coach, an offensive coach.

Well, a winning coach with Aaron Rodgers, and I do wonder how much did Watson look awesome with Rogers last year? Is Watson gonna look a little ordinary? Like defenses don't have to defend Love the way they did Rogers, like Rogers can kill you over the top with precision in perfect passes. All the Jordan Love highlights we keep running for the last three months is dink and dunk yack them.

Well, a winning coach with Aaron Rodgers, and I do wonder how much did Watson look awesome with Rogers last year? Is Watson gonna look a little ordinary? Like defenses don't have to defend Love the way they did Rogers, like Rogers can kill you over the top with precision in perfect passes. All the Jordan Love highlights we keep running for the last three months is dink and dunk yack them.

First of all, it's not a free agent market. They don't have an owner, which we've always like, we always undersold that they do not have an owner. They don't have an owner to get on the phone with an agent. They don't have an owner to get go to the front office and say I want that. I'm going to overpay for that, like stan Kronky did with the Rams with Matt Stafford. Stan Cronky told me he was on a tarmac. He got a call from Les Snead and Sean McVay. He was going overseas. He's on a tarmac and they're like Matt Stafford, and he said, go for it. They don't have that. Everything's got to go through a meeting. It's not a free agent market. It's not an attractive market, mostly for pro athletes. It's a small it's not even a city. It's a small town. It's got a couple hotels, in a steakhouse. There's not much too it.

First of all, it's not a free agent market. They don't have an owner, which we've always like, we always undersold that they do not have an owner. They don't have an owner to get on the phone with an agent. They don't have an owner to get go to the front office and say I want that. I'm going to overpay for that, like stan Kronky did with the Rams with Matt Stafford. Stan Cronky told me he was on a tarmac. He got a call from Les Snead and Sean McVay. He was going overseas. He's on a tarmac and they're like Matt Stafford, and he said, go for it. They don't have that. Everything's got to go through a meeting. It's not a free agent market. It's not an attractive market, mostly for pro athletes. It's a small it's not even a city. It's a small town. It's got a couple hotels, in a steakhouse. There's not much too it.

Well, not everybody loves a big city. A lot of towns can be attractive for you and I with kids. A lot of pro athletes they want to have fun. They like to go to the big cities. It's why LA is very attractive to pro athletes. They like stuff to do.

Well, not everybody loves a big city. A lot of towns can be attractive for you and I with kids. A lot of pro athletes they want to have fun. They like to go to the big cities. It's why LA is very attractive to pro athletes. They like stuff to do.

Green Bay is great if you you know, if you're a middle school teacher and your kids, you're safe. It's wonderful. The Packers pro athletes are young and wealthy, and they they what about.

Green Bay is great if you you know, if you're a middle school teacher and your kids, you're safe. It's wonderful. The Packers pro athletes are young and wealthy, and they they what about.

Summers in Sheboygan amazing? I've heard, I've heard it is a city in Wisconsin.

Summers in Sheboygan amazing? I've heard, I've heard it is a city in Wisconsin.

No, Wisconsin Dell's. It's gorgeous, the Wisconsin Dell's there, It's Wisconsin's beautiful.

No, Wisconsin Dell's. It's gorgeous, the Wisconsin Dell's there, It's Wisconsin's beautiful.

What is that like a lake or department store? What's all I read about? I always see packers, guys riding their bikes in the downtown and getting ice cream, and they're really one with the community. A lot of people love that.

What is that like a lake or department store? What's all I read about? I always see packers, guys riding their bikes in the downtown and getting ice cream, and they're really one with the community. A lot of people love that.

Why are you laughing?

Why are you laughing?

Are you're mister middle Middle America?

Are you're mister middle Middle America?

Aren't you? Yeah? I fly over it all the time. Is Wisconsin Dell's a department store? I don't know people in Wisconsin if they're listening laughing at that was funny?

Aren't you? Yeah? I fly over it all the time. Is Wisconsin Dell's a department store? I don't know people in Wisconsin if they're listening laughing at that was funny?

Tell me what is it?

Tell me what is it?

Just look it up. It's called Google. It's a search app. Okay, all right, a search engine.

Just look it up. It's called Google. It's a search app. Okay, all right, a search engine.

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The Jets playing the Hall of Fame game, which you know, people like that thing. That's the first game of the year, like August second, or third. Jets are playing it, so they've canceled one of their mini camps, and I will tell you this, I love football. I think football practice is mythology and overrated. Sean McVay years ago said I'm not going to play any of my starters in the preseason, and people freaked out. Sean McVay has coached in twenty September games. He's sixteen and four, sixteen and four exhibition season useless, all mythology, zero effect on winning. By the way, you know who's won twenty three straight preseason games, the Ravens. They have one playoff win during that streak, and no franchise has been more injury riddled during that streak than the Ravens. It's Harm's way football practice. Think about college. So in college you have nineteen year olds, not twenty seven year old man. You have kids. You lose a thirty year roster every year to like graduation or or you know, new scholarship players. Eighteen year old nineteen year old guys. You have limits on practice seventeen hours a week because of the NCAA, and yet on Labor Day with no warm up games, you gotta go play. And in that time Nick Saban has won twenty eight straight games in September, the best coach has won the most games. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Practice is not always irrelevant, but OTAs a lot of its mythology preseason. If I was commissioner, I would get rid of it. I'd have more joint practices. The only time I'm into OTAs is when, like, for instance, because it's such a quarterback driven sport. If you have a rookie quarterback Houston Texan CJ. Stroud, Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, I think OTAs are very important for those quarterbacks. Or you have a quarterback who is a first year starter Green Bay. He's also got two really talented rookie tight ends. Jordan loves the new quarterback Christian Watson Romeo Dobs are young emerging players. I think the Packers OTAs are really really important. But I've always thought all this talk about practice, all this talk about OTAs, all this junk about preseason college football with kids and limitations on practice, these are not professionals, even though they have nil now, they're not professionals. They don't have any practice games. I watch every Labor Day weekend. There's great college football. I can't tell look like they're well schooled and well coached. To me, I can't tell I saw this story. There's two different takes on the Lebron Kyrie story. Here is one take a guy I know, Bill Ryder, he works for CBS. He has a source saying this is what Lebron does. He can't help himself. You know, there's a lull in play and Lebron and his can't want to make news. It's not gonna happen. It's preposterous. Here's another take. Zach Lowe is a podcaster. He says, I don't think the door is shut completely. Just because it doesn't happen this summer Kyrie to the Lakers doesn't mean it can't ever happen. I don't think that door is closed, said Zach low of ESPN, who's a popular podcaster but is part of it. This. If you're gonna space out the games, seventy two hours of nothing to talk about, this is what happens. Football has always been brilliantly constructed. Sunday games we talk about it, Monday, Monday games, we talk about it. Tuesday, Wednesday we talk about college football. Thursday night game, Friday we talk about it. Wednesdays you're sort of day off to take a deep breath, go go out with the fam, go out with your wife. Then by Thursday night, you got to watch the games. Even the way they do it on Sunday in the NFL with the European games, a game at six am Pacific, then games ten am Pacific, then games one to one fifteen Pacific, and then Sunday night football. They don't give you time for anything other than football. The NBA, the last time the Nuggets in the Heat played was five o'clock Pacific Sunday. They don't play again until tonight. So you leave this open and guys like Lebron and the agents and the reporters are going to poke in prod and stories like this develop. A lot of this is I've seen this with the World Series before. When they have the World Series in October and the NBA season starts, the college football season's underway, the NFL season's well underway, and you have two and three days in between games, we lose attention. We just lose track where the games go. You play back to back to back to back baseball during the regular season, Why don't you play back to back to back to back during the playoffs in the World Series. Why are you leaving openings for the media to lose attention? Doesn't make any sense. So I do think the reason Kyrie and Lebron makes a little sense because it could benefit both teams. Kyrie is what the Lakers need, another great shooter, and Dallas is sort of trapped. They don't want Kyrie for four years. But who's gonna play with Luca? Porzingis didn't work, Brunson's gone, Kyrie didn't work well. They're running out of options. Will Luca be the first star? As Jamack pointed out yesterday, who moves on? Who says I can make my money up and shoes. I can make my money other places. I'm not playing here, So I don't think Dallas is desperate. But if you don't want to sign Kyrie to a four year deal, could you appease Kyrie Irving by getting him Lebron for two years. It's something I think it's worth thinking about now. The other argument is Lebron just moved to la Why would he move to Dallas. He wouldn't have to move to Dallas. It's called a Gulf stream. He can watch his son's home games Brawnie at usc Lebron no longer plays eighty two games. He plays closer to fifty two. You can work out the schedule, give him two and three day rest periods where he can go back home, go see his son play for the Trojans. But I think there's something there. I don't think it's going to happen, but I think anytime a situation benefits both parties, you've got to think about it, and I think they are.

The Jets playing the Hall of Fame game, which you know, people like that thing. That's the first game of the year, like August second, or third. Jets are playing it, so they've canceled one of their mini camps, and I will tell you this, I love football. I think football practice is mythology and overrated. Sean McVay years ago said I'm not going to play any of my starters in the preseason, and people freaked out. Sean McVay has coached in twenty September games. He's sixteen and four, sixteen and four exhibition season useless, all mythology, zero effect on winning. By the way, you know who's won twenty three straight preseason games, the Ravens. They have one playoff win during that streak, and no franchise has been more injury riddled during that streak than the Ravens. It's Harm's way football practice. Think about college. So in college you have nineteen year olds, not twenty seven year old man. You have kids. You lose a thirty year roster every year to like graduation or or you know, new scholarship players. Eighteen year old nineteen year old guys. You have limits on practice seventeen hours a week because of the NCAA, and yet on Labor Day with no warm up games, you gotta go play. And in that time Nick Saban has won twenty eight straight games in September, the best coach has won the most games. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Practice is not always irrelevant, but OTAs a lot of its mythology preseason. If I was commissioner, I would get rid of it. I'd have more joint practices. The only time I'm into OTAs is when, like, for instance, because it's such a quarterback driven sport. If you have a rookie quarterback Houston Texan CJ. Stroud, Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, I think OTAs are very important for those quarterbacks. Or you have a quarterback who is a first year starter Green Bay. He's also got two really talented rookie tight ends. Jordan loves the new quarterback Christian Watson Romeo Dobs are young emerging players. I think the Packers OTAs are really really important. But I've always thought all this talk about practice, all this talk about OTAs, all this junk about preseason college football with kids and limitations on practice, these are not professionals, even though they have nil now, they're not professionals. They don't have any practice games. I watch every Labor Day weekend. There's great college football. I can't tell look like they're well schooled and well coached. To me, I can't tell I saw this story. There's two different takes on the Lebron Kyrie story. Here is one take a guy I know, Bill Ryder, he works for CBS. He has a source saying this is what Lebron does. He can't help himself. You know, there's a lull in play and Lebron and his can't want to make news. It's not gonna happen. It's preposterous. Here's another take. Zach Lowe is a podcaster. He says, I don't think the door is shut completely. Just because it doesn't happen this summer Kyrie to the Lakers doesn't mean it can't ever happen. I don't think that door is closed, said Zach low of ESPN, who's a popular podcaster but is part of it. This. If you're gonna space out the games, seventy two hours of nothing to talk about, this is what happens. Football has always been brilliantly constructed. Sunday games we talk about it, Monday, Monday games, we talk about it. Tuesday, Wednesday we talk about college football. Thursday night game, Friday we talk about it. Wednesdays you're sort of day off to take a deep breath, go go out with the fam, go out with your wife. Then by Thursday night, you got to watch the games. Even the way they do it on Sunday in the NFL with the European games, a game at six am Pacific, then games ten am Pacific, then games one to one fifteen Pacific, and then Sunday night football. They don't give you time for anything other than football. The NBA, the last time the Nuggets in the Heat played was five o'clock Pacific Sunday. They don't play again until tonight. So you leave this open and guys like Lebron and the agents and the reporters are going to poke in prod and stories like this develop. A lot of this is I've seen this with the World Series before. When they have the World Series in October and the NBA season starts, the college football season's underway, the NFL season's well underway, and you have two and three days in between games, we lose attention. We just lose track where the games go. You play back to back to back to back baseball during the regular season, Why don't you play back to back to back to back during the playoffs in the World Series. Why are you leaving openings for the media to lose attention? Doesn't make any sense. So I do think the reason Kyrie and Lebron makes a little sense because it could benefit both teams. Kyrie is what the Lakers need, another great shooter, and Dallas is sort of trapped. They don't want Kyrie for four years. But who's gonna play with Luca? Porzingis didn't work, Brunson's gone, Kyrie didn't work well. They're running out of options. Will Luca be the first star? As Jamack pointed out yesterday, who moves on? Who says I can make my money up and shoes. I can make my money other places. I'm not playing here, So I don't think Dallas is desperate. But if you don't want to sign Kyrie to a four year deal, could you appease Kyrie Irving by getting him Lebron for two years. It's something I think it's worth thinking about now. The other argument is Lebron just moved to la Why would he move to Dallas. He wouldn't have to move to Dallas. It's called a Gulf stream. He can watch his son's home games Brawnie at usc Lebron no longer plays eighty two games. He plays closer to fifty two. You can work out the schedule, give him two and three day rest periods where he can go back home, go see his son play for the Trojans. But I think there's something there. I don't think it's going to happen, but I think anytime a situation benefits both parties, you've got to think about it, and I think they are.

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Ryan Rossella my buddy podcast hosted The Ringer. By the way, you and I don't think you and I have talked about that, and I know it's a very serious subject, but my takeaway on this stuff is I think I was too preachy. As a talk show host in my twenties and thirties, I was too preachy, and I think once I had kids, I've realized, I don't know, squat, life's become very gray. I don't have to agree with every decision you or I make, but you make it for your taxes and your life and your family. I mean, well, I have a family. You know, you have your guys. So you tell me, what was your takeaway on what happened yesterday?

Ryan Rossella my buddy podcast hosted The Ringer. By the way, you and I don't think you and I have talked about that, and I know it's a very serious subject, but my takeaway on this stuff is I think I was too preachy. As a talk show host in my twenties and thirties, I was too preachy, and I think once I had kids, I've realized, I don't know, squat, life's become very gray. I don't have to agree with every decision you or I make, but you make it for your taxes and your life and your family. I mean, well, I have a family. You know, you have your guys. So you tell me, what was your takeaway on what happened yesterday?

I was I wasn't even remotely surprised, you know. I look, I'm very aligned with you on you know, if you're going to be somebody who is gonna knock everybody else for some kind of connection, then you better have all of your stuff buttoned up and that you're never ever gonna expose yourself to being a hypocrite later on. Like if you want to be really preachy, and okay, go ahead and do it, but I guarantee I can find something that makes you really inconsistent with the stuff that you're saying publicly. So I you know, I really like it was just it was it was one of those things in the beginning where it's like, wait a minute, so your prolib goolf, so that means dot dot dot And you're like, no, that's not what I said. That's not what I said. What I'm saying is is that it seems to be that business trumps everything, and it happened again, and to act like it's any like, to act like this is some surprise, and then what you're gonna do your ten minutes on it. You're gonna say bad things are bad. Okay, cool, you win, awesome monologue. I'm not even talking about you. You know, like, oh, bad things are bad, all right, awesome, what's the B block? So I don't really look at this thing that wasn't remotely surprised that this is what happened at the end, because this is what always happens. And that's why when it happened in the beginning, I didn't really have some aggressive take about it because I felt like, this is so predictable and it's exactly what we all thought.

I was I wasn't even remotely surprised, you know. I look, I'm very aligned with you on you know, if you're going to be somebody who is gonna knock everybody else for some kind of connection, then you better have all of your stuff buttoned up and that you're never ever gonna expose yourself to being a hypocrite later on. Like if you want to be really preachy, and okay, go ahead and do it, but I guarantee I can find something that makes you really inconsistent with the stuff that you're saying publicly. So I you know, I really like it was just it was it was one of those things in the beginning where it's like, wait a minute, so your prolib goolf, so that means dot dot dot And you're like, no, that's not what I said. That's not what I said. What I'm saying is is that it seems to be that business trumps everything, and it happened again, and to act like it's any like, to act like this is some surprise, and then what you're gonna do your ten minutes on it. You're gonna say bad things are bad. Okay, cool, you win, awesome monologue. I'm not even talking about you. You know, like, oh, bad things are bad, all right, awesome, what's the B block? So I don't really look at this thing that wasn't remotely surprised that this is what happened at the end, because this is what always happens. And that's why when it happened in the beginning, I didn't really have some aggressive take about it because I felt like, this is so predictable and it's exactly what we all thought.

So you came out it's interesting. On the jam Morant situation, we were talking this morning and I said, it's actually worse that his camp now said it's a toy gun. And I'm like, wait time out. So now you're just joking about the Like, now, if I was a parent and I grounded my kid and they mocked me and laughed about it, I'd be more upset. But your takeaway is I think a valid one that you think by and large, fans get crazy on suspensions, and Jah Morant falls into that.

So you came out it's interesting. On the jam Morant situation, we were talking this morning and I said, it's actually worse that his camp now said it's a toy gun. And I'm like, wait time out. So now you're just joking about the Like, now, if I was a parent and I grounded my kid and they mocked me and laughed about it, I'd be more upset. But your takeaway is I think a valid one that you think by and large, fans get crazy on suspensions, and Jah Morant falls into that.

Yeah, we are punishment obsessed. I mean there's there's some correlation a thing that we just talked about, right, you know. I remember like every time somebody got busted for weed, the first thing you would do is be like, okay, well, this guy gets busted for weed, and the ray Rice suspension was only this and you're like, okay, but but this is what the NFL is allowed to do with the ray Rice situation, and this is what they did. And then ultimately, by the way, ray Rice didn't play again. So the suspension that everybody wanted for ray Rice, like, you got it. It may have not been in the memo, but you got it. You got that suspension. And so anybody that suggests like, well, like, how how do you debate some of these awful things that happen and then go yeah, if that feels like six games, ooh that's a little nasty. Maybe it's nine because everybody's afraid to be like, Okay, this bad thing happened. Is what's what's the right number of games for somebody to be suspended? And I always feel like there's there's a there's a line of like how far you can be suspended where I'm like, okay, that seems high. So what jaw as dumb as this stuff keeps keeps happening, that that's happening, Like if it's half the season, Colin, that's that's insane to me. But nobody would want to say like, well, I think I think twenty games is too long, And you're like, wait, so that means you think what Jo's been doing is good? No, I think everything he's done is impossibly stupid here and there's probably more that we don't even know about. But the way this was teased by the NBA and Silver being like hey this time around, and then the way it gets talked about in our circles of like could it be a season?

Yeah, we are punishment obsessed. I mean there's there's some correlation a thing that we just talked about, right, you know. I remember like every time somebody got busted for weed, the first thing you would do is be like, okay, well, this guy gets busted for weed, and the ray Rice suspension was only this and you're like, okay, but but this is what the NFL is allowed to do with the ray Rice situation, and this is what they did. And then ultimately, by the way, ray Rice didn't play again. So the suspension that everybody wanted for ray Rice, like, you got it. It may have not been in the memo, but you got it. You got that suspension. And so anybody that suggests like, well, like, how how do you debate some of these awful things that happen and then go yeah, if that feels like six games, ooh that's a little nasty. Maybe it's nine because everybody's afraid to be like, Okay, this bad thing happened. Is what's what's the right number of games for somebody to be suspended? And I always feel like there's there's a there's a line of like how far you can be suspended where I'm like, okay, that seems high. So what jaw as dumb as this stuff keeps keeps happening, that that's happening, Like if it's half the season, Colin, that's that's insane to me. But nobody would want to say like, well, I think I think twenty games is too long, And you're like, wait, so that means you think what Jo's been doing is good? No, I think everything he's done is impossibly stupid here and there's probably more that we don't even know about. But the way this was teased by the NBA and Silver being like hey this time around, and then the way it gets talked about in our circles of like could it be a season?

Could it be a season?

Could it be a season?

Like are you kidding? But I think some of us that are on the other side of not even not having punishment handed out, like none of us want to seem light on it. To then seem like we're okay with the acts that led to the punishment in the first place.

Like are you kidding? But I think some of us that are on the other side of not even not having punishment handed out, like none of us want to seem light on it. To then seem like we're okay with the acts that led to the punishment in the first place.

Right. So I remember during the Boston Miami series, I said, it just seems like I remember my take was, it feels like Boston has way more good players, but SPO will win two games. So it's a six game series, spau is going to just steal two wins. Well, it was probably three. But then I started thinking as I watched him, have I overvalued Boston's talent and undervalued Miami? So let me ask you, for a guy that watches more basketball than anybody I know that doesn't work in the league, is Miami just more talented than any of us want to admit?

Right. So I remember during the Boston Miami series, I said, it just seems like I remember my take was, it feels like Boston has way more good players, but SPO will win two games. So it's a six game series, spau is going to just steal two wins. Well, it was probably three. But then I started thinking as I watched him, have I overvalued Boston's talent and undervalued Miami? So let me ask you, for a guy that watches more basketball than anybody I know that doesn't work in the league, is Miami just more talented than any of us want to admit?

No, you know, I know it's we have a really hard time when there are results and you're like, oh, well this happens. So that means that all this stuff happened. Okay, if you took Miami's roster and Bosson's roster and handed it out in dispersal draft, like you wouldn't all of a sudden be taking more Miami players than Boston players. And that really speaks to one how prepared Miami is. They're smarter than everybody they're tougher than everybody. You know, Butler is wired a certain way that you want him closing your games. But some weird stuff has happened along the way. Caleb Martin scored more points in the Eastern Conference Finals than any undrafted player has ever scored in the finals or conference finals since the modern draft, going back to nineteen sixty seven, Miami had a negative point differential in the regular season. The last team to make it to the NBA Finals with that stet was I think the nineteen fifty nine Minneapolis Lakers.

No, you know, I know it's we have a really hard time when there are results and you're like, oh, well this happens. So that means that all this stuff happened. Okay, if you took Miami's roster and Bosson's roster and handed it out in dispersal draft, like you wouldn't all of a sudden be taking more Miami players than Boston players. And that really speaks to one how prepared Miami is. They're smarter than everybody they're tougher than everybody. You know, Butler is wired a certain way that you want him closing your games. But some weird stuff has happened along the way. Caleb Martin scored more points in the Eastern Conference Finals than any undrafted player has ever scored in the finals or conference finals since the modern draft, going back to nineteen sixty seven, Miami had a negative point differential in the regular season. The last team to make it to the NBA Finals with that stet was I think the nineteen fifty nine Minneapolis Lakers.

All Right, they have a.

All Right, they have a.

Negative point differential through the first three quarters of all of their quarters so far in the playoffs, but are like plus ninety in the fourth. So what happens is is the rules for what we do are like, wait, they keep beating everybody. That means that means that they're actually way more talented. Yeah, Like, clearly Caleb Martin has something to him at times, and then Gave Vinson picks him up. Then Max Shrews hits a million shots. We all like Bam, we like Jimmy. But they've lost like two rotation guys throughout this and they're mixing and matching it and they're still here where they're tied in the NBA Finals. So I like to look at it this way. It's okay to suggest that this is really special, Ye okay, but it can't be both special and almost unprecedented in my NBA watching career. If they pull this off, If they pull this off and even getting to this point, it can't be special but also to be expected, because if it were expected that it wouldn't be special. And that's what this is right now. If they pull this off, Colin, I think it's the most unlikely title run of the forty years that I've been watching the sport.

Negative point differential through the first three quarters of all of their quarters so far in the playoffs, but are like plus ninety in the fourth. So what happens is is the rules for what we do are like, wait, they keep beating everybody. That means that means that they're actually way more talented. Yeah, Like, clearly Caleb Martin has something to him at times, and then Gave Vinson picks him up. Then Max Shrews hits a million shots. We all like Bam, we like Jimmy. But they've lost like two rotation guys throughout this and they're mixing and matching it and they're still here where they're tied in the NBA Finals. So I like to look at it this way. It's okay to suggest that this is really special, Ye okay, but it can't be both special and almost unprecedented in my NBA watching career. If they pull this off, If they pull this off and even getting to this point, it can't be special but also to be expected, because if it were expected that it wouldn't be special. And that's what this is right now. If they pull this off, Colin, I think it's the most unlikely title run of the forty years that I've been watching the sport.

Yeah, the Frank Vogel got a job with the Sons. It didn't bother me because I think he's good with bigs and they got to figure out DeAndre Ayton, and I think he'll probably be good for the room. He's not a confrontational guy. Something was wrong with the culture and MANI and eight and I like Moni, but it just wasn't working. What do you make of the people that go, oh, here's another read tread, here's his fourth job. What do you make of that?

Yeah, the Frank Vogel got a job with the Sons. It didn't bother me because I think he's good with bigs and they got to figure out DeAndre Ayton, and I think he'll probably be good for the room. He's not a confrontational guy. Something was wrong with the culture and MANI and eight and I like Moni, but it just wasn't working. What do you make of the people that go, oh, here's another read tread, here's his fourth job. What do you make of that?

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Coaching hires are a lot like relationships, right, whatever you did or didn't have in the past, you know, you're thinking about the next one. Like you always used to tell me about your dating life, and you were like, you know, like she doesn't respect me. I need somebody who's going to respect me in the future. That was like, well, look, some of your takes are spicy, and you know, if you're going to bring this home, if you're going to bring the work home with the takes, yeah, you know. Anyways, but you're happy now and everything's good. Trying to be happier for you as a friend. Extreme close up on the shot today. I'm noticing, by the way, anyway, when you have a new coach who doesn't have experience before, it's almost like a lock. You're going to go back to the coach that has experience. And what we had in the twenty two to twenty one cycles we had seven head coaches I believe that were hired that had no previous head coaching experience. So the cool thing going back to the summer of twenty one and a couple hires in twenty two were Okay, who's the long term assistant who's never gotten his shot, who's the new young assistant that everybody thinks is awesome that we're going to give him his shot, and I think the counter to that, again, you don't. I don't think people understand how quickly these guys are fired. You really, Taylor Jenkins has the fifth longest tenure in the NBA as a head coach and he was hired four years ago. Okay, that's that's nuts. So all of these guys are getting fired no matter what anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But I think what we're seeing, even if you want to go specific to like Quinn Snyder left Utah, there are a bunch of places that want and he to be the head coach. Vogel should have never been fired. I'm happy Darvin Ham finally got his chance. But the idea that any of the Westbrook stuff was Vogel's fault, remember that old that old tale being told, be like, oh yeah, now that Vogel's gone, he'll figure Westbrook out now, was so Vogel never should have been fired in the first place. And Nurse, even though it feels like it ran its course in Toronto, I'm telling you, the list is not very long of guys ahead of him that when other teams are talking about like looking at special things that teams do well, that nurse teams did in Toronto, and the way he would prep his team up for certain matchups. They were like, nurse is like head of the class when it comes to that. So it feel it can feel a little retready ish, but really, I think what we're doing is we're entering a new cycle of teams going you know what, Actually, let me just bring in somebody who has a lot of experience and nurse. You know, I think the job itself, it's just hard to have this job a long time, even if you're doing a good job.

Coaching hires are a lot like relationships, right, whatever you did or didn't have in the past, you know, you're thinking about the next one. Like you always used to tell me about your dating life, and you were like, you know, like she doesn't respect me. I need somebody who's going to respect me in the future. That was like, well, look, some of your takes are spicy, and you know, if you're going to bring this home, if you're going to bring the work home with the takes, yeah, you know. Anyways, but you're happy now and everything's good. Trying to be happier for you as a friend. Extreme close up on the shot today. I'm noticing, by the way, anyway, when you have a new coach who doesn't have experience before, it's almost like a lock. You're going to go back to the coach that has experience. And what we had in the twenty two to twenty one cycles we had seven head coaches I believe that were hired that had no previous head coaching experience. So the cool thing going back to the summer of twenty one and a couple hires in twenty two were Okay, who's the long term assistant who's never gotten his shot, who's the new young assistant that everybody thinks is awesome that we're going to give him his shot, and I think the counter to that, again, you don't. I don't think people understand how quickly these guys are fired. You really, Taylor Jenkins has the fifth longest tenure in the NBA as a head coach and he was hired four years ago. Okay, that's that's nuts. So all of these guys are getting fired no matter what anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But I think what we're seeing, even if you want to go specific to like Quinn Snyder left Utah, there are a bunch of places that want and he to be the head coach. Vogel should have never been fired. I'm happy Darvin Ham finally got his chance. But the idea that any of the Westbrook stuff was Vogel's fault, remember that old that old tale being told, be like, oh yeah, now that Vogel's gone, he'll figure Westbrook out now, was so Vogel never should have been fired in the first place. And Nurse, even though it feels like it ran its course in Toronto, I'm telling you, the list is not very long of guys ahead of him that when other teams are talking about like looking at special things that teams do well, that nurse teams did in Toronto, and the way he would prep his team up for certain matchups. They were like, nurse is like head of the class when it comes to that. So it feel it can feel a little retready ish, but really, I think what we're doing is we're entering a new cycle of teams going you know what, Actually, let me just bring in somebody who has a lot of experience and nurse. You know, I think the job itself, it's just hard to have this job a long time, even if you're doing a good job.

All Right, buddy, good seeing you. Maybe I should make my way down to the beach and hang out with you. A couple couple of beers coming up soon, all right, return my text.

All Right, buddy, good seeing you. Maybe I should make my way down to the beach and hang out with you. A couple couple of beers coming up soon, all right, return my text.

Well, I don't know when the sun comes out, I'll let you know right.

Well, I don't know when the sun comes out, I'll let you know right.

Appreciate it, buddy, Ryan Risillo, see it

Appreciate it, buddy, Ryan Risillo, see it