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Here we Go. It is a Thursday, our final show until super Bowl Week. Tomorrow's Best of the Herd live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Tom Brady Next Hour, Greg Cosell Next Hour. So great to have you in.

Here we Go. It is a Thursday, our final show until super Bowl Week. Tomorrow's Best of the Herd live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Tom Brady Next Hour, Greg Cosell Next Hour. So great to have you in.

J Mac.

J Mac.

Is we get ready our big last final show before super Bowl Week. Very exciting time for us. As your mentor, I have been able to guide you through these big weeks. You've been very very strong. Self appointed mente Edis. I gave myself a nickname, I'm a self appointed mentor to get over me. So everybody's talking. I read a story this morning about all the things like the Chiefs and the Eagles have in common. But you and I like to do this, so I'm gonna start with this. There are basically four teams that keep four organizations that keep getting to this game the last eight years. The Chiefs, the Eagles, the Niners, and the Rams. They keep getting to this game regularly. And what do they have in common. It's not superstar quarterbacks, right, Nick Foles got to one in one. It's not great head coaches Doug Peterson. It's not high flying offenses. It's not stifling defenses. Chiefs, Eagles, Niners, Rams keep getting to this game, and they'll be favored after this year to get to the next year's game. Right, it's one common thread upstairs. The front offices are hyper aggressive, trades, deal making, moving up in the draft. That's it, and all have pivoted in recent years, even after success. Even after success. The Chiefs are like, we're gonna go from Tyreek Hill, fastest receiver to mostly a defensive led franchise. Rams went golf, who got to the super Bowl. He got to the Super Bowl. We're gonna move off him to Stafford Me. The Niners get to the super Bowl with Garoppolo, We're gonna go with Brock Party and Christian McCaffrey and the Eagles. Yeah, they change every fifteen minutes. No big explanation needed. Right coordinators, coaches, quarterbacks are constantly changing. So the NFL is a league that wants parody. Best record, drafts, last, there are limitations on what you can do. First place, hardest schedule, last place, easiest schedule. So how do you separate when the governance of a league would like parody? Everybody smushed to the middle. Gotta be aggressive with your personnel moves. The loser in this trend is three teams that I think of. Joe Burrow and the Bengals cheap ownership, terrified of taking big swings on draft day. The Pittsburgh Steelers how many years in a row they can't figure out offense, defensive culture. And the Dallas Cowboys, who couldn't afford Derrick Henry. That's funny. The Eagles have much more talent, very expensive, could afford Saquon Barkley. You couldn't afford Derrick Henry. So in a league designed for parody, you gotta take big swings. Take Kansas City. They moved up in the draft to get Mahomes. They moved up ahead of Buffalo to get Trent mctuffee. They moved up to get Xavier Worthy, even as they're winning big, aggressive moves to go get the piece they need, Rams, Niners, Eagles, Chiefs. It's not stifling defenses in all cases. It is now for Kansas City. It's not always great coaches. Nick Foles got to a Super Bowl, so did Jared Goff. This league, they are trying, despite what you think, to keep everybody within arm's length. And for the record, until this year, the bottom of the NFL always felt kind of small. But it's become more quarterback centric. So if you don't have one, you fall back further and sooner. But if you're wondering the big difference in this league, Joe Burrow should be in five more Super Bowls. He's that good. I don't think you'll ever get to one if he stays in Cincinnati. They're cheap, they're frugal, they don't make moves. I mean they started bailing from good players before they had to pay him. I mean they were moving off safeties anybody they couldn't saved money before they paid Jamar Chase. So if you're looking for a common threat on this stuff, this is why ask yourself this. For last thirty years, one of the loser franchises in the league. Let's be honest. Was Detroit what is Detroit done as well as anybody for the last three or four years, draft aggressive, Take a running back in the first round, move up in draft, take swings. That's the difference. Well, you got to have the right quarterback, and Kansas City moved up to get it. The Rams made a deal to get it. Philadelphia has taken risks moving off MVP level, went to get it, and the Niners Garoppolo moved off him. Yeah, you gotta get the quarterback. How do you think it's going to fall to you? You don't think you have to get on the phone. You don't think you have to take big swings on this stuff. These teams were good, and when they were good in getting the Super Bowls, they still were aggressive. That is the common thread. So I got to talk about this in the NBA right now. Yesterday Adam Silver came out and said, you know what, I want to shortened quarters. They're tweaking stuff because the TV ratings are bad whatever. And one of the reasons is we don't have a Jordan, we don't have this young emerging star a Steph Curry. We can all latch onto a domestic star. But I do think we have a team that feels like the most domestic old school product, the New York Knicks, who beat the Denver Nuggets last night. They are the anti NBA. They don't shoot a lot of threes, they're guys, they're starting five, There is no load management, they all play thirty five minutes to night, don't have much of a bench. They practice hard, they play harder. They're kind of a half court offense, and it's very rare when a New York team is an underdog. But they're very much about culture, and that's really not the NBA. The NBA is about talent. It used to be spurs In Duncan culture, Chuck Daily, Piston's culture, MJ toughness, Phil Jackson culture. The New York Knicks won again last night. And what they've done and why I think they're so incredibly likable is they're basically villanova professionally mature guys, older guys, same starting lineup, no load management, and in a league that is struggling because their stars are all international and international guys, they're not as interested in doing commercials. You don't know who they are. They didn't go to Kansas or Syracuse or Ukon. They didn't go to UCLA, at Arizona and Gonzaga. You didn't watch them in college. They get hoisted onto a bad team. You don't watch them until they're stars. They're already in the league five years and they don't want to do big shoe commercials. So I think it's really interesting watching the New York Knicks last night. And here's the thing, the East Coast. The NBA needs the Knicks, they really do. The Lakers aren't well run enough to ever carry this franchise again with this ownership, they're not. The Clippers have their richest owner, they're not a big brand. Wemby's fantastic, but San Antonio's a small market. So in the end, this league, like baseball, they need the Yankees. Everybody needs something except the NFL, where Kansas City can drive ratings, Buffalo can drive rating, Baltimore and Green Bay can drive rating. The NBA needs the Knicks because they can't apparently develop a domestic star that we all fall in love with. I thought it would be Aunt, maybe not. So they gave us a very domestic team, the New York Knicks, because we can't trust Philadelphia and can we be honest about Boston. They're really deep, but they don't have any personality and all they do is shoot threes. It's not that riveting basketball. And I think this is really great about the Knicks is everybody's always loved All of our basketball stars, especially our domestic stars, have loved play in New York. Jordan loved it, Kobe loved it, Shack loved it, Aunt loves it. Everybody likes performing in New York. And what's interesting is the stars have always loved going to New York and shown off. And this team's kind of starle us. I mean, Jalen Brunson's terrific, but he's a Villanova guy, and Villanova guys are really about culture and toughness and practice. They're so anti NBA. Jalen Brunson said, Yeah, I'm gonna give up money. Can I I want Michale Bridges. I'm going to give up money. They are the anti NBA. Not a lot of threes, no load management, practice and play hard starters, play thirty seven minutes, play hurt, don't really care all in And I think it works. The NBA could use about a dozen more Nicks. And I'm trying to think of a New York team in my life that was an underdog. Maybe it was the Giants against that undefeated Patriots team. A lot of America was kind of rooting for Eli and you know all those defensive linemen. But this is the rare New York team that really feels likable, embraceable, heavily domestic, anti NBA, sacrificing for the betterment of the team. Fun watch beat Denver last night. Easy, easy team to watch, DJ Max saying nice things, very positive. I noticed when I did talk about those four aggressive teams, and I really believe that is that we always look for common threads. Why is something happening? So when you ask somebody, oh, you're successful, the question is how did you do it? What are the elements to making people successful or companies successful? And I think if you look in the NFL, it's not the one thing we all think it is. We think, oh, it's quarterback, But how did you get it? The Chiefs moved up for Mahomes. The Rams went made a big deal, a risk for Stafford because they were paying Stafford and golf for several years. I mean, Garoppolo got you to a Super Bowl. How about a kid from Iowa State, and Philadelphia moved off Carson Wentz when he was having an MVP year, and so it's like, it's not just about quarterback. How did you get your quarterback? It's risk yeah, and this is a copycat league. So I think we saw the Falcons try that with Kirk Cousins last year.

Is we get ready our big last final show before super Bowl Week. Very exciting time for us. As your mentor, I have been able to guide you through these big weeks. You've been very very strong. Self appointed mente Edis. I gave myself a nickname, I'm a self appointed mentor to get over me. So everybody's talking. I read a story this morning about all the things like the Chiefs and the Eagles have in common. But you and I like to do this, so I'm gonna start with this. There are basically four teams that keep four organizations that keep getting to this game the last eight years. The Chiefs, the Eagles, the Niners, and the Rams. They keep getting to this game regularly. And what do they have in common. It's not superstar quarterbacks, right, Nick Foles got to one in one. It's not great head coaches Doug Peterson. It's not high flying offenses. It's not stifling defenses. Chiefs, Eagles, Niners, Rams keep getting to this game, and they'll be favored after this year to get to the next year's game. Right, it's one common thread upstairs. The front offices are hyper aggressive, trades, deal making, moving up in the draft. That's it, and all have pivoted in recent years, even after success. Even after success. The Chiefs are like, we're gonna go from Tyreek Hill, fastest receiver to mostly a defensive led franchise. Rams went golf, who got to the super Bowl. He got to the Super Bowl. We're gonna move off him to Stafford Me. The Niners get to the super Bowl with Garoppolo, We're gonna go with Brock Party and Christian McCaffrey and the Eagles. Yeah, they change every fifteen minutes. No big explanation needed. Right coordinators, coaches, quarterbacks are constantly changing. So the NFL is a league that wants parody. Best record, drafts, last, there are limitations on what you can do. First place, hardest schedule, last place, easiest schedule. So how do you separate when the governance of a league would like parody? Everybody smushed to the middle. Gotta be aggressive with your personnel moves. The loser in this trend is three teams that I think of. Joe Burrow and the Bengals cheap ownership, terrified of taking big swings on draft day. The Pittsburgh Steelers how many years in a row they can't figure out offense, defensive culture. And the Dallas Cowboys, who couldn't afford Derrick Henry. That's funny. The Eagles have much more talent, very expensive, could afford Saquon Barkley. You couldn't afford Derrick Henry. So in a league designed for parody, you gotta take big swings. Take Kansas City. They moved up in the draft to get Mahomes. They moved up ahead of Buffalo to get Trent mctuffee. They moved up to get Xavier Worthy, even as they're winning big, aggressive moves to go get the piece they need, Rams, Niners, Eagles, Chiefs. It's not stifling defenses in all cases. It is now for Kansas City. It's not always great coaches. Nick Foles got to a Super Bowl, so did Jared Goff. This league, they are trying, despite what you think, to keep everybody within arm's length. And for the record, until this year, the bottom of the NFL always felt kind of small. But it's become more quarterback centric. So if you don't have one, you fall back further and sooner. But if you're wondering the big difference in this league, Joe Burrow should be in five more Super Bowls. He's that good. I don't think you'll ever get to one if he stays in Cincinnati. They're cheap, they're frugal, they don't make moves. I mean they started bailing from good players before they had to pay him. I mean they were moving off safeties anybody they couldn't saved money before they paid Jamar Chase. So if you're looking for a common threat on this stuff, this is why ask yourself this. For last thirty years, one of the loser franchises in the league. Let's be honest. Was Detroit what is Detroit done as well as anybody for the last three or four years, draft aggressive, Take a running back in the first round, move up in draft, take swings. That's the difference. Well, you got to have the right quarterback, and Kansas City moved up to get it. The Rams made a deal to get it. Philadelphia has taken risks moving off MVP level, went to get it, and the Niners Garoppolo moved off him. Yeah, you gotta get the quarterback. How do you think it's going to fall to you? You don't think you have to get on the phone. You don't think you have to take big swings on this stuff. These teams were good, and when they were good in getting the Super Bowls, they still were aggressive. That is the common thread. So I got to talk about this in the NBA right now. Yesterday Adam Silver came out and said, you know what, I want to shortened quarters. They're tweaking stuff because the TV ratings are bad whatever. And one of the reasons is we don't have a Jordan, we don't have this young emerging star a Steph Curry. We can all latch onto a domestic star. But I do think we have a team that feels like the most domestic old school product, the New York Knicks, who beat the Denver Nuggets last night. They are the anti NBA. They don't shoot a lot of threes, they're guys, they're starting five, There is no load management, they all play thirty five minutes to night, don't have much of a bench. They practice hard, they play harder. They're kind of a half court offense, and it's very rare when a New York team is an underdog. But they're very much about culture, and that's really not the NBA. The NBA is about talent. It used to be spurs In Duncan culture, Chuck Daily, Piston's culture, MJ toughness, Phil Jackson culture. The New York Knicks won again last night. And what they've done and why I think they're so incredibly likable is they're basically villanova professionally mature guys, older guys, same starting lineup, no load management, and in a league that is struggling because their stars are all international and international guys, they're not as interested in doing commercials. You don't know who they are. They didn't go to Kansas or Syracuse or Ukon. They didn't go to UCLA, at Arizona and Gonzaga. You didn't watch them in college. They get hoisted onto a bad team. You don't watch them until they're stars. They're already in the league five years and they don't want to do big shoe commercials. So I think it's really interesting watching the New York Knicks last night. And here's the thing, the East Coast. The NBA needs the Knicks, they really do. The Lakers aren't well run enough to ever carry this franchise again with this ownership, they're not. The Clippers have their richest owner, they're not a big brand. Wemby's fantastic, but San Antonio's a small market. So in the end, this league, like baseball, they need the Yankees. Everybody needs something except the NFL, where Kansas City can drive ratings, Buffalo can drive rating, Baltimore and Green Bay can drive rating. The NBA needs the Knicks because they can't apparently develop a domestic star that we all fall in love with. I thought it would be Aunt, maybe not. So they gave us a very domestic team, the New York Knicks, because we can't trust Philadelphia and can we be honest about Boston. They're really deep, but they don't have any personality and all they do is shoot threes. It's not that riveting basketball. And I think this is really great about the Knicks is everybody's always loved All of our basketball stars, especially our domestic stars, have loved play in New York. Jordan loved it, Kobe loved it, Shack loved it, Aunt loves it. Everybody likes performing in New York. And what's interesting is the stars have always loved going to New York and shown off. And this team's kind of starle us. I mean, Jalen Brunson's terrific, but he's a Villanova guy, and Villanova guys are really about culture and toughness and practice. They're so anti NBA. Jalen Brunson said, Yeah, I'm gonna give up money. Can I I want Michale Bridges. I'm going to give up money. They are the anti NBA. Not a lot of threes, no load management, practice and play hard starters, play thirty seven minutes, play hurt, don't really care all in And I think it works. The NBA could use about a dozen more Nicks. And I'm trying to think of a New York team in my life that was an underdog. Maybe it was the Giants against that undefeated Patriots team. A lot of America was kind of rooting for Eli and you know all those defensive linemen. But this is the rare New York team that really feels likable, embraceable, heavily domestic, anti NBA, sacrificing for the betterment of the team. Fun watch beat Denver last night. Easy, easy team to watch, DJ Max saying nice things, very positive. I noticed when I did talk about those four aggressive teams, and I really believe that is that we always look for common threads. Why is something happening? So when you ask somebody, oh, you're successful, the question is how did you do it? What are the elements to making people successful or companies successful? And I think if you look in the NFL, it's not the one thing we all think it is. We think, oh, it's quarterback, But how did you get it? The Chiefs moved up for Mahomes. The Rams went made a big deal, a risk for Stafford because they were paying Stafford and golf for several years. I mean, Garoppolo got you to a Super Bowl. How about a kid from Iowa State, and Philadelphia moved off Carson Wentz when he was having an MVP year, and so it's like, it's not just about quarterback. How did you get your quarterback? It's risk yeah, and this is a copycat league. So I think we saw the Falcons try that with Kirk Cousins last year.

Saled spectacularly. Let's quickly move on the way the Eagles did from Wentz.

Saled spectacularly. Let's quickly move on the way the Eagles did from Wentz.

That's right.

That's right.

The Falcons have said, Kirk Cousins, it's over. We got Pennox.

The Falcons have said, Kirk Cousins, it's over. We got Pennox.

Now.

Now.

I think you got to make quick decisions and not like, hey, maybe next year we got a shot, which is what the Dallas Cowboys seem to be doing.

I think you got to make quick decisions and not like, hey, maybe next year we got a shot, which is what the Dallas Cowboys seem to be doing.

We'll talk about this. Think about all the talent the Philadelphia Eagles have. It is a stack roster. They're paying receivers, multiple offensive linemen, quarterback, running back, an old corner sleigh, a safety in linebacker's big money, and they could afford Saquon Barkley. The Cowboys are paying Ceedee, Lamb and Dack and they're like, we don't have eight million dollars for Derrick Henry, so you do You just have to be aggressive. And so when the Cowboys plight emerges, no sympathy.

We'll talk about this. Think about all the talent the Philadelphia Eagles have. It is a stack roster. They're paying receivers, multiple offensive linemen, quarterback, running back, an old corner sleigh, a safety in linebacker's big money, and they could afford Saquon Barkley. The Cowboys are paying Ceedee, Lamb and Dack and they're like, we don't have eight million dollars for Derrick Henry, so you do You just have to be aggressive. And so when the Cowboys plight emerges, no sympathy.

By the way, the Eagles, it's it's amazing they keep drafting Georgia football players on defense.

By the way, the Eagles, it's it's amazing they keep drafting Georgia football players on defense.

And amazingly they've got a great defense.

And amazingly they've got a great defense.

They're like, God, the secret sauce to the Eagles draft Georgia football players.

They're like, God, the secret sauce to the Eagles draft Georgia football players.

Jalen Carter everybody because there was you know, there was the incident with his car, and so everybody was hands off Jalen Carter and aggressively they said, yeah, he's still the best football player out there and maybe the next Aaron Donald. That was a big risk.

Jalen Carter everybody because there was you know, there was the incident with his car, and so everybody was hands off Jalen Carter and aggressively they said, yeah, he's still the best football player out there and maybe the next Aaron Donald. That was a big risk.

Nolan Smith coming off the edge, Oh, he's too light, he can't he looks like a beast. And Zach Bond, who was on special teams with the New Orleans Saints. Yea, they see him as an undervalued asset, first team All Pro like Eagles, just is doing things right right.

Nolan Smith coming off the edge, Oh, he's too light, he can't he looks like a beast. And Zach Bond, who was on special teams with the New Orleans Saints. Yea, they see him as an undervalued asset, first team All Pro like Eagles, just is doing things right right.

Yeah, And by the way, that doesn't mean all big risks are smart Cleveland, Deshaun Watson, you should never ever give out a guaranteed contract. Brady didn't get a guaranteed contract. Mahomes doesn't get one, Lamar doesn't get one. You're not giving Deshaun Watson. That's just a poorly run franchise. It's not a poorly coach franchise or a poorly GM franchise. It's a poorly own franchise. So all risks don't work. But when Philadelphia Dove does with they just move off it. They just okay, they didn't. I mean, look at coordinators. They get to a zuper Bowl, coordinators get head jobs. Two new coordinators come in one year in I mean by Thanksgiving, They're like, yeah, this doesn't work. Really, get new guys. Don't get paralyzed bought. You can take swings. The problem is when you're Cincinnati and you take no swings, and now you have a team that with arguably the best quarterback in the league this year can't make the playoffs and forty percent of the league makes the playoffs.

Yeah, And by the way, that doesn't mean all big risks are smart Cleveland, Deshaun Watson, you should never ever give out a guaranteed contract. Brady didn't get a guaranteed contract. Mahomes doesn't get one, Lamar doesn't get one. You're not giving Deshaun Watson. That's just a poorly run franchise. It's not a poorly coach franchise or a poorly GM franchise. It's a poorly own franchise. So all risks don't work. But when Philadelphia Dove does with they just move off it. They just okay, they didn't. I mean, look at coordinators. They get to a zuper Bowl, coordinators get head jobs. Two new coordinators come in one year in I mean by Thanksgiving, They're like, yeah, this doesn't work. Really, get new guys. Don't get paralyzed bought. You can take swings. The problem is when you're Cincinnati and you take no swings, and now you have a team that with arguably the best quarterback in the league this year can't make the playoffs and forty percent of the league makes the playoffs.

And I'm sure you see all the people crunching the numbers.

And I'm sure you see all the people crunching the numbers.

Can they afford to keep T Higgins now giving all the money to Burrow Higgins and Chase, can you.

Can they afford to keep T Higgins now giving all the money to Burrow Higgins and Chase, can you.

Get to the playoffs. I don't know. It's gonna be tough to keep T Higgins Cincy.

Get to the playoffs. I don't know. It's gonna be tough to keep T Higgins Cincy.

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So suddenly, and it's weird how it works when a team gets really really good at dynasty beginning, middle or end, suddenly everybody that can't beat them always blames the officials. Gotta have something right, can't blame your team. So Travis Kelcey on a podcast with his brother Jason, admitted, and this stems mostly from the calls. Uh, that's perceived. They go Kansas City's way. They are the villain in the NFL.

So suddenly, and it's weird how it works when a team gets really really good at dynasty beginning, middle or end, suddenly everybody that can't beat them always blames the officials. Gotta have something right, can't blame your team. So Travis Kelcey on a podcast with his brother Jason, admitted, and this stems mostly from the calls. Uh, that's perceived. They go Kansas City's way. They are the villain in the NFL.

I love it.

I love it.

At one point, at one point in time, you know, it wasn't that and.

At one point, at one point in time, you know, it wasn't that and.

You were the center.

You were the center.

You guys were the dollars in the NFL.

You guys were the dollars in the NFL.

Yeah, I was the Do you feel bad for him? Guys and you're not the heel. I'm I'm just I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying doing this with the guys together, the guys that we have in there, because it's it's like it just makes us even more of a family.

Yeah, I was the Do you feel bad for him? Guys and you're not the heel. I'm I'm just I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying doing this with the guys together, the guys that we have in there, because it's it's like it just makes us even more of a family.

So let's take a walk down memory lane of all these dynasties beginning, middle and end. Let's go to the Patriots dynasty. How did it begin? Oh, the tuck rule a highly controversial play. They went on to win that game. Hm, it wasn't the last play of the game, but it helped them win. Controversial call. How about the greatest team ever in the NBA, the NBA called the Jordan Rules. They the change the rules to help Michael Right. No more tackling the Jordan rules. There's a term for it. How about the Lakers dynasty, Shaq and Kobe. It's almost as if in that Game six, people forget that in Game seven the Kings couldn't hit the broadside of a boat. But in Game six, those Lakers got some dubious calls, favorable calls. That's the only reason they won the series. They actually played a Game seven. And about how about the Derek Jeter and the Yankees Game one ALCS Baltimore. Remember that Jeffrey Mayer. Ah, the league wants them to win. Here's the funny thing. All these sports, all these great players, like the leagues, all of them are in cahoots.

So let's take a walk down memory lane of all these dynasties beginning, middle and end. Let's go to the Patriots dynasty. How did it begin? Oh, the tuck rule a highly controversial play. They went on to win that game. Hm, it wasn't the last play of the game, but it helped them win. Controversial call. How about the greatest team ever in the NBA, the NBA called the Jordan Rules. They the change the rules to help Michael Right. No more tackling the Jordan rules. There's a term for it. How about the Lakers dynasty, Shaq and Kobe. It's almost as if in that Game six, people forget that in Game seven the Kings couldn't hit the broadside of a boat. But in Game six, those Lakers got some dubious calls, favorable calls. That's the only reason they won the series. They actually played a Game seven. And about how about the Derek Jeter and the Yankees Game one ALCS Baltimore. Remember that Jeffrey Mayer. Ah, the league wants them to win. Here's the funny thing. All these sports, all these great players, like the leagues, all of them are in cahoots.

You know.

You know.

The truth is your team gets breaks too, But after you get the tuck rule, you miss the kick or have to punt because you don't have Tom Brady, or after you get that favorable call like Sacramento didn't in Game six, Sacramento was awful in Game seven, and the Lakers weren't. Your batter strikes out even after the umpire you know it's rigged. Gives your team that man at second base, he was out on the tag, but the Yankees had somebody who drove him home, and Brady got a first down and the kicker made the kick in a snowstorm, and the Lakers were the better team in Game seven. Everybody in life gets breaks. Smarter people, focus people, ascending people, more driven people, more aspirational people, more prepared people take advantage of the breaks. Do you really believe in Buffalo that spot with thirteen minutes left the side of the game. Did you watch the first series where Josh Allen almost threw two picks, punted, gave it to Kansas City, marched down the field and scored at home, taking a seven nothing. Leading the playoff game when you're also getting the second half kickoff means you'll win it sixty five percent of the time. But go ahead, blame the refs. There were thirteen minutes left in that game. Go to Jeters, Yankees. The Jordan rules the Sacramento Laker Game six, the Tuck rule. Your team gets the same breaks. They can't cap it off right Like even our parents, if they pass away and they have a will, they give executor of the will to the one kid they trust the one adult. Doesn't mean they love them more, but they trust them more. They're more organized, less frivolous, more focused. And that's the reality of all these dynasties. Yes, they have been given breaks on calls. I remember when Brady beat Kansas City in Arrowhead. There was a call in that game de ford Ah remember that. I think he was off side by a centimeter. They got the call, But what did a do with the advantage of the call. Everybody's getting breaks in life, everybody's getting calls. The dynasties have better players, better coaches, better manage, more focus, more aspirational. They do something with the break. Thirteen minutes to go. You're blaming a spot. Did you watch your last drive? Did you watch Kansas City when they had to get a first down to kill the clock or expand the clock and in the game and they had the special play samaj ap Rye. How come you didn't have that play? How come you didn't have that kind of play because Kansas City did so. I hear this all the time, Greg co cell Top of the Hour. There's always an excuse for it. I heard it with the Yankees, the Patriots, the Chiefs, Shaq and Kobe. People always forget that Sacramento series. They forget there was another game. Apparently people just didn't didn't pay attention to the or in Buffalo, Kansas City, there's thirteen minutes left. Each team's getting the ball at least once, probably twice. There's thirteen minutes left after the call. Make something of it. You forget if you're really I owe it. This is my rule. Whenever fans in the NBA blame the refs for losing the game, I always ask the same question, how many turnovers did you have and how many free throws did you miss? And if it adds up to twenty, I'm like, you gave the ball away twenty times and you missed and you had free throw twenty times twenty potential. So think about in the NBA, with a three point shot, a turnover could be a minus three. If you have ten turnovers, that could be thirty points potentially, right like if you're hitting threes, if you're hot, it wouldn't be because nobody go ten for ten, but like a turnover in the NBA is potentially giving up three points. So that's why I don't watch games with fans. The officials are out to get us. Now they're not really, they're not really. Kansas City's just better in these big moments. And Philadelphia's got a better roster. By the way, I was looking at dynasties this morning, and I went back the last thirty years. Jmac, just guess the number, don't put it on the screen, just pros, not college sports. Last thirty years, how many dynasties have we had? Baseball, football, professional mess.

The truth is your team gets breaks too, But after you get the tuck rule, you miss the kick or have to punt because you don't have Tom Brady, or after you get that favorable call like Sacramento didn't in Game six, Sacramento was awful in Game seven, and the Lakers weren't. Your batter strikes out even after the umpire you know it's rigged. Gives your team that man at second base, he was out on the tag, but the Yankees had somebody who drove him home, and Brady got a first down and the kicker made the kick in a snowstorm, and the Lakers were the better team in Game seven. Everybody in life gets breaks. Smarter people, focus people, ascending people, more driven people, more aspirational people, more prepared people take advantage of the breaks. Do you really believe in Buffalo that spot with thirteen minutes left the side of the game. Did you watch the first series where Josh Allen almost threw two picks, punted, gave it to Kansas City, marched down the field and scored at home, taking a seven nothing. Leading the playoff game when you're also getting the second half kickoff means you'll win it sixty five percent of the time. But go ahead, blame the refs. There were thirteen minutes left in that game. Go to Jeters, Yankees. The Jordan rules the Sacramento Laker Game six, the Tuck rule. Your team gets the same breaks. They can't cap it off right Like even our parents, if they pass away and they have a will, they give executor of the will to the one kid they trust the one adult. Doesn't mean they love them more, but they trust them more. They're more organized, less frivolous, more focused. And that's the reality of all these dynasties. Yes, they have been given breaks on calls. I remember when Brady beat Kansas City in Arrowhead. There was a call in that game de ford Ah remember that. I think he was off side by a centimeter. They got the call, But what did a do with the advantage of the call. Everybody's getting breaks in life, everybody's getting calls. The dynasties have better players, better coaches, better manage, more focus, more aspirational. They do something with the break. Thirteen minutes to go. You're blaming a spot. Did you watch your last drive? Did you watch Kansas City when they had to get a first down to kill the clock or expand the clock and in the game and they had the special play samaj ap Rye. How come you didn't have that play? How come you didn't have that kind of play because Kansas City did so. I hear this all the time, Greg co cell Top of the Hour. There's always an excuse for it. I heard it with the Yankees, the Patriots, the Chiefs, Shaq and Kobe. People always forget that Sacramento series. They forget there was another game. Apparently people just didn't didn't pay attention to the or in Buffalo, Kansas City, there's thirteen minutes left. Each team's getting the ball at least once, probably twice. There's thirteen minutes left after the call. Make something of it. You forget if you're really I owe it. This is my rule. Whenever fans in the NBA blame the refs for losing the game, I always ask the same question, how many turnovers did you have and how many free throws did you miss? And if it adds up to twenty, I'm like, you gave the ball away twenty times and you missed and you had free throw twenty times twenty potential. So think about in the NBA, with a three point shot, a turnover could be a minus three. If you have ten turnovers, that could be thirty points potentially, right like if you're hitting threes, if you're hot, it wouldn't be because nobody go ten for ten, but like a turnover in the NBA is potentially giving up three points. So that's why I don't watch games with fans. The officials are out to get us. Now they're not really, they're not really. Kansas City's just better in these big moments. And Philadelphia's got a better roster. By the way, I was looking at dynasties this morning, and I went back the last thirty years. Jmac, just guess the number, don't put it on the screen, just pros, not college sports. Last thirty years, how many dynasties have we had? Baseball, football, professional mess.

And can you define dynasty one more time for me?

And can you define dynasty one more time for me?

You know it when you hear it. That's like the Supreme Court said about adult content. You know it when you see it. I'll go four, almost double that eight.

You know it when you hear it. That's like the Supreme Court said about adult content. You know it when you see it. I'll go four, almost double that eight.

Well, now let me hear them, because there may be two.

Well, now let me hear them, because there may be two.

I'll all go the top of the hour. But it's interesting your initial thought is there haven't been that many, and my take on dynasties is we're having more and more. I'm not even counting college Tennessee women's, Yukon women's, I'm not counting Alabama football. I'm not even counting Georgia football. I'm not even counting that. I'm not counting Serena Williams team sports, right, Tiger, I'm not counting that in virtually every sport, not name hockey. Okay, now, they had the Montreal Canadians back in the late sixties, I think seventies. Every sport's filled with dynasties because people aren't even this idea. The leagues are trying. It's like sports is largely outside of baseball socialism. They want socialism, that's right, Like baseball is not, and you have a huge gap, right, and like Pittsburgh can't compete with the Dodgers, we know that they could be more competitive. Well, the Dodgers are going to drive more game day revenue.

I'll all go the top of the hour. But it's interesting your initial thought is there haven't been that many, and my take on dynasties is we're having more and more. I'm not even counting college Tennessee women's, Yukon women's, I'm not counting Alabama football. I'm not even counting Georgia football. I'm not even counting that. I'm not counting Serena Williams team sports, right, Tiger, I'm not counting that in virtually every sport, not name hockey. Okay, now, they had the Montreal Canadians back in the late sixties, I think seventies. Every sport's filled with dynasties because people aren't even this idea. The leagues are trying. It's like sports is largely outside of baseball socialism. They want socialism, that's right, Like baseball is not, and you have a huge gap, right, and like Pittsburgh can't compete with the Dodgers, we know that they could be more competitive. Well, the Dodgers are going to drive more game day revenue.

They have it.

They have it.

We all know that. So take baseball out. But the leagues are trying to even this stuff out. It doesn't matter if it's women's tennis, it doesn't matter if it's college football, women's college basketball. There's dynasties and everything because people aren't even You cannot legislate even you can legislate fair, you can have rules that are fair. You can't legislate even everything's a dynasty. Look at tech. There's five companies in the world that run everything. You know Meta, Navidia, you know Google. There's like five companies that run basically the Dow Jones. I mean, if you if you look at our country, five companies the last decade have basically run it. Our stock market. It's five to six companies. This is no parody.

We all know that. So take baseball out. But the leagues are trying to even this stuff out. It doesn't matter if it's women's tennis, it doesn't matter if it's college football, women's college basketball. There's dynasties and everything because people aren't even You cannot legislate even you can legislate fair, you can have rules that are fair. You can't legislate even everything's a dynasty. Look at tech. There's five companies in the world that run everything. You know Meta, Navidia, you know Google. There's like five companies that run basically the Dow Jones. I mean, if you if you look at our country, five companies the last decade have basically run it. Our stock market. It's five to six companies. This is no parody.

I do.

I do.

Can I quibble with a word you said? The Chicago Bulls are the best dynasty in NBA history. Maybe that's rights. I'm sorry.

Can I quibble with a word you said? The Chicago Bulls are the best dynasty in NBA history. Maybe that's rights. I'm sorry.

It's the Warriors with Katie and Steph. Most dominant postseason run ever. They wiped the floor with everybody nearly went sixteen or zero.

It's the Warriors with Katie and Steph. Most dominant postseason run ever. They wiped the floor with everybody nearly went sixteen or zero.

If not for a historic Cabety. For me, it was the best skinny jeans team of all time.

If not for a historic Cabety. For me, it was the best skinny jeans team of all time.

Charles Barkley over there in disguise, you.

Charles Barkley over there in disguise, you.

Take Draymond Green out. It was a finesse team.

Take Draymond Green out. It was a finesse team.

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Let's go to Tom Brady twenty three seasons, seven times. So you're one of the only I mean literally, you're one of the only people on the planet who knows what it's like to be the face of a franchise going to another Super Bowl. The pressure's on to me. The pressure's on Kansas City. It's always on the favorite. How did you zone out for two weeks? Now you have your install day pretty quick? Did you hide?

Let's go to Tom Brady twenty three seasons, seven times. So you're one of the only I mean literally, you're one of the only people on the planet who knows what it's like to be the face of a franchise going to another Super Bowl. The pressure's on to me. The pressure's on Kansas City. It's always on the favorite. How did you zone out for two weeks? Now you have your install day pretty quick? Did you hide?

Did you?

Did you?

I mean everybody's talking you can't go out side?

I mean everybody's talking you can't go out side?

Did you like that?

Did you like that?

Or are you like, could we just play this Sunday? Did you like the extra time?

Or are you like, could we just play this Sunday? Did you like the extra time?

I liked the extra time a lot because it gave me extra time to do all the prep that I needed to do. And I loved kind of the studying. I loved the minutia of the game plan. One of my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl twenty fourteen. We're playing the Legion of Boom and it's Friday night before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like eleven or twelve days to prepare and I come back from dinner and it's probably like nine o'clock and I wasn't feeling great about the red area package we had. And I went in and Josh McDaniels is in the staff room and I said, Hey, we got to go through the red Area. I said, it's just too hard down there. They'd played too much zone and if.

I liked the extra time a lot because it gave me extra time to do all the prep that I needed to do. And I loved kind of the studying. I loved the minutia of the game plan. One of my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl twenty fourteen. We're playing the Legion of Boom and it's Friday night before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like eleven or twelve days to prepare and I come back from dinner and it's probably like nine o'clock and I wasn't feeling great about the red area package we had. And I went in and Josh McDaniels is in the staff room and I said, Hey, we got to go through the red Area. I said, it's just too hard down there. They'd played too much zone and if.

I looked at the left earl moves to the left. I looked at the right earl moose to the right.

I looked at the left earl moves to the left. I looked at the right earl moose to the right.

I was like, we need a few easy plays where I could just stick the ball in there on a play action path, get everyone in the linebackers susta, and let me just rip something to the back of the end zone. So we install three plays on Friday night, after two weeks of preparation. All the practice is done, and one of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafel the first one of the game, and the second one is to Danny A. Mondola later in that game. And we hadn't practiced them at all for eleven days, and it was just I like to use every minute of prep going up into those games because they're the hardest ones to win, and it's so great to get here, and both the Eagles and the Chiefs have had incredible seasons to.

I was like, we need a few easy plays where I could just stick the ball in there on a play action path, get everyone in the linebackers susta, and let me just rip something to the back of the end zone. So we install three plays on Friday night, after two weeks of preparation. All the practice is done, and one of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafel the first one of the game, and the second one is to Danny A. Mondola later in that game. And we hadn't practiced them at all for eleven days, and it was just I like to use every minute of prep going up into those games because they're the hardest ones to win, and it's so great to get here, and both the Eagles and the Chiefs have had incredible seasons to.

Get to this point.

Get to this point.

But it all goes for nothing if you don't win this game, and that's what makes the drama so spectacular.

But it all goes for nothing if you don't win this game, and that's what makes the drama so spectacular.

The two or three. I mean, I've got so many memories of you in Super Bowls, but I do remember this. You guys were like a big heavyweight Champ you would feel out the first round the first quarters, and maybe this was belichicker you, but in the first quarters you weren't terribly dynamic. You really did let the game come to you. Was that I always wondered, was that by design? Was this you saying, let's let's not unveil much here, or was it just nerves or was it like that was Belichick's ideology, but you didn't historically you didn't have robust first quarters.

The two or three. I mean, I've got so many memories of you in Super Bowls, but I do remember this. You guys were like a big heavyweight Champ you would feel out the first round the first quarters, and maybe this was belichicker you, but in the first quarters you weren't terribly dynamic. You really did let the game come to you. Was that I always wondered, was that by design? Was this you saying, let's let's not unveil much here, or was it just nerves or was it like that was Belichick's ideology, but you didn't historically you didn't have robust first quarters.

Yeah, they it was non intentional.

Yeah, they it was non intentional.

Let me say that we weren't trying to go out there and suck in the first quarter, but most of the time we did. There's there's there's definitely a little nerves. There's I think both teams are feeling each other out, and we never really got behind too much. Atlanta one that was kind of got away with it got away from us there in the first half. But I think for the most part we were just we didn't execute the plan exactly what we wanted. And you're going up against a team that's got a lot of good players, and they got a lot of juice.

Let me say that we weren't trying to go out there and suck in the first quarter, but most of the time we did. There's there's there's definitely a little nerves. There's I think both teams are feeling each other out, and we never really got behind too much. Atlanta one that was kind of got away with it got away from us there in the first half. But I think for the most part we were just we didn't execute the plan exactly what we wanted. And you're going up against a team that's got a lot of good players, and they got a lot of juice.

Energies are a lot in the stadium.

Energies are a lot in the stadium.

It does take a little bit of time to settle into that game. It's it's an interesting game to play, and it's it's unique because you know, most all games you start at one o'clock on a Sunday, and regular season that's done at four. This is a six o'clock start Eastern time. It finishes at ten pm. It's a four hour game, you know, thirty three percent longer than normal. I often thought of the Super Bowl as two games. There's a first half game in a second half game. And it was really important for us as players not to go out there in pregame warm up and lose all your energy because it was so built up from these couple weeks of prep that you had, and you waste all your energy in pregame warm up knowing that you still had, you know, a four hour game ahead of you. And I think that's why a lot of the defenses really die in the second half.

It does take a little bit of time to settle into that game. It's it's an interesting game to play, and it's it's unique because you know, most all games you start at one o'clock on a Sunday, and regular season that's done at four. This is a six o'clock start Eastern time. It finishes at ten pm. It's a four hour game, you know, thirty three percent longer than normal. I often thought of the Super Bowl as two games. There's a first half game in a second half game. And it was really important for us as players not to go out there in pregame warm up and lose all your energy because it was so built up from these couple weeks of prep that you had, and you waste all your energy in pregame warm up knowing that you still had, you know, a four hour game ahead of you. And I think that's why a lot of the defenses really die in the second half.

It's just such a long day.

It's just such a long day.

Sure, there's so much emotional energy that gets kind of put out, and then it's really who can survive the fourth quarter of the game.

Sure, there's so much emotional energy that gets kind of put out, and then it's really who can survive the fourth quarter of the game.

Yeah, the you know, you've watched so much of these teams, you had this will be your fifth Eagles game, and their offensive line to me and I think Jalen's great, but the offensive lines insane. You had good offensive lines. I don't know if you had four Hall of Fame offensive linemen. Have they gotten better? Do you feel like every time you watch the Eagles it was a different version or do you kind of know what you're gonna get when you call their games?

Yeah, the you know, you've watched so much of these teams, you had this will be your fifth Eagles game, and their offensive line to me and I think Jalen's great, but the offensive lines insane. You had good offensive lines. I don't know if you had four Hall of Fame offensive linemen. Have they gotten better? Do you feel like every time you watch the Eagles it was a different version or do you kind of know what you're gonna get when you call their games?

I think they've been You know, Siriani has done a great job with the adversity this year and dealing with the adversity, and you know, I see him hot, temperate at times. I really like that attitude that he's got. There's a lot of consistency. You see that week to week, and I think there has been a lot of consistency over the course of the season from this team. When I think they're really unstoppable is when Jalen Hurts is playing in rhythm in the past game. Because I look at that defense, the secondary has been consistent.

I think they've been You know, Siriani has done a great job with the adversity this year and dealing with the adversity, and you know, I see him hot, temperate at times. I really like that attitude that he's got. There's a lot of consistency. You see that week to week, and I think there has been a lot of consistency over the course of the season from this team. When I think they're really unstoppable is when Jalen Hurts is playing in rhythm in the past game. Because I look at that defense, the secondary has been consistent.

They're been great all year.

They're been great all year.

Fangio scheme, Zach Bond has been as consistent anybody that d line, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, those guys are consider The entire defense is consistent. The running game's been there all year, that's consistent. Aj Brown getting open. Man coverage of Davant has been that's consistent, Goddard getting open, that's consistent.

Fangio scheme, Zach Bond has been as consistent anybody that d line, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, those guys are consider The entire defense is consistent. The running game's been there all year, that's consistent. Aj Brown getting open. Man coverage of Davant has been that's consistent, Goddard getting open, that's consistent.

The line block and well, that's consistent.

The line block and well, that's consistent.

When they can string a consistent, rhythmic passing game together, I think they're pretty unstoppable.

When they can string a consistent, rhythmic passing game together, I think they're pretty unstoppable.

Yeah, you know, there was a moment last night, and and I've talked about this. I think Drew Brees and you were really good at this, and I think Mahomes is and this is not a knock on anybody, but it's so much of what you did as a quarterback was to avoid mayhem. It wasn't always over the top place. It was you just got them out of trouble. I always say this about the great presidents. It's not always their policy, it's it's being ahead of a potential problem. That's what a good CEO does. And on that blitz, yeah, always when Spags brings the corner blitz, listen, it's I mean, nobody saw it coming, would you. I don't want to compare you anything, But is that hard to identify or is that a quarterback's responsibility? Because corner blitz is tom They may happen once every two weeks it's rare. So I saw that plan. I thought, Josh has kind of got to see that, or am I being a sports guy who just doesn't get it?

Yeah, you know, there was a moment last night, and and I've talked about this. I think Drew Brees and you were really good at this, and I think Mahomes is and this is not a knock on anybody, but it's so much of what you did as a quarterback was to avoid mayhem. It wasn't always over the top place. It was you just got them out of trouble. I always say this about the great presidents. It's not always their policy, it's it's being ahead of a potential problem. That's what a good CEO does. And on that blitz, yeah, always when Spags brings the corner blitz, listen, it's I mean, nobody saw it coming, would you. I don't want to compare you anything, But is that hard to identify or is that a quarterback's responsibility? Because corner blitz is tom They may happen once every two weeks it's rare. So I saw that plan. I thought, Josh has kind of got to see that, or am I being a sports guy who just doesn't get it?

Okay, So it's a great question, and this speaks to a lot of things you and I have talked about over this last year. And unless a quarterback has total operational control of what he's doing, it's going to be very hard against this Spagnula defense because Spags is going to put so much pressure on the protections and on the offensive line and on the quarterback to sort things out after the snap because some things look a bit unconventional. They're all on the right and they come to the left, they're all on the left and they come from the right, and everyone's spinning the defense at the snap of the ball, and it gets very difficult for the quarterback if you're not anticipating where the problems might be. And you may get lucky every once in a while to make a play work. But I just remember the Super Bowl I played against Spags when I was at the Bucks late in the career, and I felt like I had studied so much film for two weeks.

Okay, So it's a great question, and this speaks to a lot of things you and I have talked about over this last year. And unless a quarterback has total operational control of what he's doing, it's going to be very hard against this Spagnula defense because Spags is going to put so much pressure on the protections and on the offensive line and on the quarterback to sort things out after the snap because some things look a bit unconventional. They're all on the right and they come to the left, they're all on the left and they come from the right, and everyone's spinning the defense at the snap of the ball, and it gets very difficult for the quarterback if you're not anticipating where the problems might be. And you may get lucky every once in a while to make a play work. But I just remember the Super Bowl I played against Spags when I was at the Bucks late in the career, and I felt like I had studied so much film for two weeks.

There was really no blitz he could use that I.

There was really no blitz he could use that I.

Wasn't going to be prepared for Yeah, and when something looked a little funky, based on my film study, I had an answer for it.

Wasn't going to be prepared for Yeah, and when something looked a little funky, based on my film study, I had an answer for it.

And I had tried to have answers to his pressures.

And I had tried to have answers to his pressures.

But that took a veteran quarterback who had a great understanding of the protections, who could apply a lot of different tools to get it protected. And then I was able to go out there and play with a lot of confidence. But again, this is you know, blitzing in the NFL now has been very effective. I don't think many quarterbacks have understandings of protections. I don't think we're allowing them to develop and that now they're kind of learning on the fly, and it's a rough place to learn out there on the playing field against a team that has as many talented players as the Chiefs.

But that took a veteran quarterback who had a great understanding of the protections, who could apply a lot of different tools to get it protected. And then I was able to go out there and play with a lot of confidence. But again, this is you know, blitzing in the NFL now has been very effective. I don't think many quarterbacks have understandings of protections. I don't think we're allowing them to develop and that now they're kind of learning on the fly, and it's a rough place to learn out there on the playing field against a team that has as many talented players as the Chiefs.

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think the story of this game is reading Mahomes and spags against the green wall of talent, and Philadelphia is a little like that Seahawks team you faced. I remember that because I'm from the Pacific Northwest and everybody thought I was a Patriot Homer and a Brady Homer my entire time. I've always been like Brady Homer guy, which is not a bad guy to be a Homer for. And I said, I gotta be honest, I don't know if they can beat Seattle. Like I don't think when you go and Mahomes is going to face a Philadelphia team, Tom they may have nine Hall of Famers, I mean, Jalen Carter looks like and that Seahawk team was insane. Go back to that game. Do you did you ever privately say to yourself, I don't know if we have the dudes for that. I mean they are did you ever you wouldn't say it publicly, but what was your mindset? Like Mahomes this week when he watch his film and goes, they don't have a whole, they don't have a weakness. How did you think about Seattle?

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think the story of this game is reading Mahomes and spags against the green wall of talent, and Philadelphia is a little like that Seahawks team you faced. I remember that because I'm from the Pacific Northwest and everybody thought I was a Patriot Homer and a Brady Homer my entire time. I've always been like Brady Homer guy, which is not a bad guy to be a Homer for. And I said, I gotta be honest, I don't know if they can beat Seattle. Like I don't think when you go and Mahomes is going to face a Philadelphia team, Tom they may have nine Hall of Famers, I mean, Jalen Carter looks like and that Seahawk team was insane. Go back to that game. Do you did you ever privately say to yourself, I don't know if we have the dudes for that. I mean they are did you ever you wouldn't say it publicly, but what was your mindset? Like Mahomes this week when he watch his film and goes, they don't have a whole, they don't have a weakness. How did you think about Seattle?

Yeah, well that's a good that's a great example. That defense was stacked from the pass rush to the backers, to the secondary, to the scheme, and not only that. Offensively, they had you know, Marshawn a young Russell playing great dynamic guys in the past game and they were they it took all of us to win. And I think when I look at this game, if you're going to beat the Chiefs. It has to be the ultimate complimentary game because you could score to take the lead with forty five seconds left in the game and give the ball back to Patrick in that offense, and the whole world believes that Patrick, including himself and including the defense he's going against, that he's going to drive right down the field and score and take the lead again. So it's like how Buffalo beat him in the regular season.

Yeah, well that's a good that's a great example. That defense was stacked from the pass rush to the backers, to the secondary, to the scheme, and not only that. Offensively, they had you know, Marshawn a young Russell playing great dynamic guys in the past game and they were they it took all of us to win. And I think when I look at this game, if you're going to beat the Chiefs. It has to be the ultimate complimentary game because you could score to take the lead with forty five seconds left in the game and give the ball back to Patrick in that offense, and the whole world believes that Patrick, including himself and including the defense he's going against, that he's going to drive right down the field and score and take the lead again. So it's like how Buffalo beat him in the regular season.

Buffalo was aggressive.

Buffalo was aggressive.

Even that they were up two points to you know, take the ball and go for it on that whatever fourth and two, and Josh made a play and scrambled into the touchdown. But it was almost like you got to get up two scores in the end of the game to feel like there's any relief because Patrick has has an amazing ability to perform his best in the biggest moments, and there's a lot of fear that's in the other opponents late in the game, and that's a good feeling to have if you're the opposing quarterinator.

Even that they were up two points to you know, take the ball and go for it on that whatever fourth and two, and Josh made a play and scrambled into the touchdown. But it was almost like you got to get up two scores in the end of the game to feel like there's any relief because Patrick has has an amazing ability to perform his best in the biggest moments, and there's a lot of fear that's in the other opponents late in the game, and that's a good feeling to have if you're the opposing quarterinator.

Well, I know, and you Tiger. I always said this mahomes you, Tiger when you could hear the gallery cheering and Tiger was in a different foursome and you knew he just hit a great shot. It got completely in your head as you knew he just hit a birdie. And I think there's part of that is that you do get so. I mean, you faced Mahomes in a Super Bowl. If I recall, it was a pretty good game for you. Did you go into that game thinking, guys, we got to score blank? I mean, you got in everybody's else. You spent a career getting in everybody else's head. Were you aware of Mahomes? And was there discussion that week on fellas we can't even give him thirteen seconds? Heer that kind of thing.

Well, I know, and you Tiger. I always said this mahomes you, Tiger when you could hear the gallery cheering and Tiger was in a different foursome and you knew he just hit a great shot. It got completely in your head as you knew he just hit a birdie. And I think there's part of that is that you do get so. I mean, you faced Mahomes in a Super Bowl. If I recall, it was a pretty good game for you. Did you go into that game thinking, guys, we got to score blank? I mean, you got in everybody's else. You spent a career getting in everybody else's head. Were you aware of Mahomes? And was there discussion that week on fellas we can't even give him thirteen seconds? Heer that kind of thing.

So, yeah, And we played them in twenty eighteen in the AFC Championship game. They were a high flying offense Tyreek, and we played a great kind of first half of football in Kansas City and they come storming back like in the second half and take the lead.

So, yeah, And we played them in twenty eighteen in the AFC Championship game. They were a high flying offense Tyreek, and we played a great kind of first half of football in Kansas City and they come storming back like in the second half and take the lead.

It was almost like it evaporated.

It was almost like it evaporated.

Yep.

Yep.

Now, that was a very different offense.

Now, that was a very different offense.

Than they have now when we beat them in the Super Bowl a few years ago.

Than they have now when we beat them in the Super Bowl a few years ago.

Three years ago.

Three years ago.

Now, we played a great complimentary game. We played really well on offense, defense, played the best game they had played all season. You know, they were struggling in pass protection. I thought our defensive lines ability to get after him, and all the blitz schemes that Coach Bowls came up with were really exceptional. But to me, it took a great team effort, and that's the only way you're going to beat a great Chiefs team.

Now, we played a great complimentary game. We played really well on offense, defense, played the best game they had played all season. You know, they were struggling in pass protection. I thought our defensive lines ability to get after him, and all the blitz schemes that Coach Bowls came up with were really exceptional. But to me, it took a great team effort, and that's the only way you're going to beat a great Chiefs team.

Now the Eagles have the team to do it.

Now the Eagles have the team to do it.

I mean, that's why I'm so excited about calling this game because it's to me, the two teams that have been consistently great all season long that are in this game, which is exactly how it should be. And the outcome of this game is going to be determined by a few plays, and no one knows which plays they're gonna those are gonna be. That's why you got to be on it from the moment that you walk.

I mean, that's why I'm so excited about calling this game because it's to me, the two teams that have been consistently great all season long that are in this game, which is exactly how it should be. And the outcome of this game is going to be determined by a few plays, and no one knows which plays they're gonna those are gonna be. That's why you got to be on it from the moment that you walk.

Into the stadium.

Into the stadium.

This is a This is a great matchup for a lot of reasons. There's a lot of stars, there's champions, there's coaches, there's tremendous scheme, and then there's tremendous players that have played well under pressure and it all kind of culminates in this great performance, you know, played out in front of the whole world, and all these players that get to be involved in it. This is a highlight of their life, and it's going to be a highlight of my life being there to call the game.

This is a This is a great matchup for a lot of reasons. There's a lot of stars, there's champions, there's coaches, there's tremendous scheme, and then there's tremendous players that have played well under pressure and it all kind of culminates in this great performance, you know, played out in front of the whole world, and all these players that get to be involved in it. This is a highlight of their life, and it's going to be a highlight of my life being there to call the game.

I gotta I gonna talk about this because when you and Belichick were in the middle of your dynasty, he hard coaches you, he calls you out. That's part of the culture. But since you've gone your separate ways. Oh, he's like a soft served vanilla ice cream. He's a cream puff. Now all he does is to He's a teddy bear. And he said yesterday, he's like, you know what, just call the Lombardi Trophy the Brady Trophy. I remember a piece of video when he gave you the game ball. It was near your end in New England, and we made fun of it on the air. I said, that was so hard for Bill. I said, he was so uncomfortable. But I kind of got it, Tom, I understood it. It was the culture, it's the reality. It's like sometimes you have to be a tough parent when you're a dad, right, And it Panda is when you look at Belichick and you now, is there a warmth now that maybe wasn't possible when you're in the middle of a dynasty.

I gotta I gonna talk about this because when you and Belichick were in the middle of your dynasty, he hard coaches you, he calls you out. That's part of the culture. But since you've gone your separate ways. Oh, he's like a soft served vanilla ice cream. He's a cream puff. Now all he does is to He's a teddy bear. And he said yesterday, he's like, you know what, just call the Lombardi Trophy the Brady Trophy. I remember a piece of video when he gave you the game ball. It was near your end in New England, and we made fun of it on the air. I said, that was so hard for Bill. I said, he was so uncomfortable. But I kind of got it, Tom, I understood it. It was the culture, it's the reality. It's like sometimes you have to be a tough parent when you're a dad, right, And it Panda is when you look at Belichick and you now, is there a warmth now that maybe wasn't possible when you're in the middle of a dynasty.

Well, there's an intensity to our jobs naturally that. I mean, look, we always had a great relationship. We still do, and I know there was a lot of things later in my career that people would say or to try to create division. I think there was always a great respect for each other and I was never I always saw him as someone that I was trying to please out there as my coach, and I wanted to be the best I could be for the team, and he was always trying to deliver for our team and the role that he was in. And were there times where we didn't see everything eye to eye, Yeah, But I mean that's.

Well, there's an intensity to our jobs naturally that. I mean, look, we always had a great relationship. We still do, and I know there was a lot of things later in my career that people would say or to try to create division. I think there was always a great respect for each other and I was never I always saw him as someone that I was trying to please out there as my coach, and I wanted to be the best I could be for the team, and he was always trying to deliver for our team and the role that he was in. And were there times where we didn't see everything eye to eye, Yeah, But I mean that's.

Twenty years of a relationship.

Twenty years of a relationship.

And I said this in one of the documentary, is like, I'm not characterizing our relationship based on a few moments that weren't perfect for either of us. I mean we had as great as a relationship as you could have over a long period of time, with a tremendous amount of success. And there's no coach I would have rather played for than him. He taught me so much. And you're right, I think the role of that coach is very much like a parent. You know, if you're not performing well and your grades are below standard, you got to tell your kids that. And if they're putting forth effort, you got to tell them that too. And you got to teach them, and you got to develop them, and you got to be there. And there's a sophistication to being a parent, and a good parent at that, expecting that a lot of these young kids today they don't know what the right ways to do things are. And you know what, sometimes to have a little bit of fear in people is a good thing. People should have to wake up and go, God, I got to do a good job today or else.

And I said this in one of the documentary, is like, I'm not characterizing our relationship based on a few moments that weren't perfect for either of us. I mean we had as great as a relationship as you could have over a long period of time, with a tremendous amount of success. And there's no coach I would have rather played for than him. He taught me so much. And you're right, I think the role of that coach is very much like a parent. You know, if you're not performing well and your grades are below standard, you got to tell your kids that. And if they're putting forth effort, you got to tell them that too. And you got to teach them, and you got to develop them, and you got to be there. And there's a sophistication to being a parent, and a good parent at that, expecting that a lot of these young kids today they don't know what the right ways to do things are. And you know what, sometimes to have a little bit of fear in people is a good thing. People should have to wake up and go, God, I got to do a good job today or else.

And I think that's very motivating.

And I think that's very motivating.

I think we're in a culture now where everyone's hopefully it can be a little more balanced that you know, to be rewarded for bad behavior, to be rewarded for being selfish, to be rewarded for thinking about yourself as an individual in a team sport like I love playing against those guys. I never wanted to play with those guys. You work too hard for too long to think about yourself in situations and teams worts. And I think their culture that I was a part of in New England embraced the team first attitude and what are the rewards of that well, championships were one, but more importantly than that, I have relationships with my teammates that go way far above and beyond what they ever were on the football field. I look at the best experiences I've had in my life and they're with these men and women's and.

I think we're in a culture now where everyone's hopefully it can be a little more balanced that you know, to be rewarded for bad behavior, to be rewarded for being selfish, to be rewarded for thinking about yourself as an individual in a team sport like I love playing against those guys. I never wanted to play with those guys. You work too hard for too long to think about yourself in situations and teams worts. And I think their culture that I was a part of in New England embraced the team first attitude and what are the rewards of that well, championships were one, but more importantly than that, I have relationships with my teammates that go way far above and beyond what they ever were on the football field. I look at the best experiences I've had in my life and they're with these men and women's and.

Probably way more men in a football locker room.