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All Right, here we go. It is a Thursday lockloaded, ready to roll. It's the Hurt wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day today.

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We got a lot.

We got a lot.

Jordan Schultz and I went out for dinner last night, sharing insider secrets. Can't give all of those away. USA Canada basketball Greg Berholters out of work. The men's national soccer team. Always blame the coach, number the players, he got the act. Jalen Johnson to the Bears top of Next Hour. Things are good, ugly to start the game against Canada last night, fell behind eleven to one. They're going to.

Jordan Schultz and I went out for dinner last night, sharing insider secrets. Can't give all of those away. USA Canada basketball Greg Berholters out of work. The men's national soccer team. Always blame the coach, number the players, he got the act. Jalen Johnson to the Bears top of Next Hour. Things are good, ugly to start the game against Canada last night, fell behind eleven to one. They're going to.

Figure out how to play with step We're gonna get Anthony Edward's starting at some point.

Figure out how to play with step We're gonna get Anthony Edward's starting at some point.

Called probably on Probably so Canada got off to a good start, and Canada is better than any team that the nineteen ninety two Dream Team faced. They're better. The basketball is so much better now than it's ever been. I mean, the game is incredible. Jason Tatum did not start last night. He's better than Scottie Pippin Offensively, it's not particularly close. It's a global sport. Everybody can shoot, everybody can handle the ball. I mean, I'm watching Wimby. He's not on our team, but what that kid can do. Chet Holmgrid at seven to two can do, it's incredible. Nine two Dream Team Larry Bird was shot. He retired ten days after the Olympics. You had multiple guys on that team, multiple who could not handle the ball and who couldn't shoot. Anthony Davis on this team's a much better player than Patrick Ewing, Give me a break. Tatum's much better Scottie Pippen. Lebron right now is better than Magic was to me at thirty two or thirty three years old. Our young guys are Aunt and Halliburton. Their young guy was Christian Latner. Give me a break. This team is old men aging very gracefully. Katy Lebron and steph everybody shoots, everybody can handle the ball. I mean, good God. Joe Lmbid average six assists this year for the Sixers, six assists. He's a center. The nineteen ninety two Dream Team was amazing, and a lot of people get to my age. They get gray hair and they love looking in the rear view mirror and they just romanticize everything. It's like if you want to wake up and listen to Stairway to Heaven from led Zeppelin. It was awesome and it takes you back to a different time, but it takes two and a half minutes to get into the lyrics. Jimmy Page is on a riff and that was basketball back then down to the center, pounded on the floor, very little ball movement. It was a very position oriented game. You could do certain things as a forward, you could do certain things as a center. Players can do anything in everything. Now Wemby is seven to four handles it behind the back, passing, shot blocking three pointers. The world is different now and it's not a bad thing. Two things can be possibly true at the same time. The nineteen ninety two team beating Tunisia by sixty was amazing and a thing of beauty. But this team's bench has starters on that team, Scotty Pippen, I covered him in Portland. Not close to Jason Tatum, Patrick Ewing's not nearly as good as Anthony Davis, Christian Lahner on that team. Ant off the bench on this team. What are we talking about here? The flexibility? The bigs now can handle the ball and shoot back. Then centers had a range of about twelve feet. You dumped it to him, they'd pound the ball. That slowed everything up. That stuff doesn't last. You start looking at Dwight Howard's career, I mean, he's the line of demarcation. Dwight Howard, prodigy in high school, walks into the NBA about halfway in his career. He couldn't do anything. He couldn't back to the basket, couldn't do anything. That's what a lot of the bigs, almost all of the Bigs were. Today's game is motion and angles and free flowing and speed, and everybody can handle the ball. I mean, the Celtics won a title with an offense called five out. Everybody, including Al Horford, could sit in the corner and hit a three. Five out. You couldn't play that game, espnded thirty for thirties on the Knickson Pacers. The series had one pure shooter, Reggie Miller. The Knicks had nine guys in the roster that couldn't hit an eighteen footer. They were tough guys, they were fun guys. They were physical. Even John Starks wasn't a natural shooter. He was there shooting guard. Yeah, I mean he was the guy in the perimeter you would trust. I wouldn't trust it. So Michael Jordan's the best player to most of you of all time. That's fine. I think Lebron does more and better. Lebron's a much better version than Magic. And that's fine. And it's gonna take this team a long time to figure out you know, it's gonna take him a while to figure out Steph Curry. First four and a half minutes, they had a point. They got to figure out Steph Curry's style. But just look at the bench on this team so far. Look at the flexibility. It's positionless basketball. It's a thing of beauty. The game is global now. Guys come into this league from overseas. They are ready to play. They've played against twenty year old guys and they're seventeen years old. Here's Steve Kerr on the flexibility, the dexterity of this roster.

Called probably on Probably so Canada got off to a good start, and Canada is better than any team that the nineteen ninety two Dream Team faced. They're better. The basketball is so much better now than it's ever been. I mean, the game is incredible. Jason Tatum did not start last night. He's better than Scottie Pippin Offensively, it's not particularly close. It's a global sport. Everybody can shoot, everybody can handle the ball. I mean, I'm watching Wimby. He's not on our team, but what that kid can do. Chet Holmgrid at seven to two can do, it's incredible. Nine two Dream Team Larry Bird was shot. He retired ten days after the Olympics. You had multiple guys on that team, multiple who could not handle the ball and who couldn't shoot. Anthony Davis on this team's a much better player than Patrick Ewing, Give me a break. Tatum's much better Scottie Pippen. Lebron right now is better than Magic was to me at thirty two or thirty three years old. Our young guys are Aunt and Halliburton. Their young guy was Christian Latner. Give me a break. This team is old men aging very gracefully. Katy Lebron and steph everybody shoots, everybody can handle the ball. I mean, good God. Joe Lmbid average six assists this year for the Sixers, six assists. He's a center. The nineteen ninety two Dream Team was amazing, and a lot of people get to my age. They get gray hair and they love looking in the rear view mirror and they just romanticize everything. It's like if you want to wake up and listen to Stairway to Heaven from led Zeppelin. It was awesome and it takes you back to a different time, but it takes two and a half minutes to get into the lyrics. Jimmy Page is on a riff and that was basketball back then down to the center, pounded on the floor, very little ball movement. It was a very position oriented game. You could do certain things as a forward, you could do certain things as a center. Players can do anything in everything. Now Wemby is seven to four handles it behind the back, passing, shot blocking three pointers. The world is different now and it's not a bad thing. Two things can be possibly true at the same time. The nineteen ninety two team beating Tunisia by sixty was amazing and a thing of beauty. But this team's bench has starters on that team, Scotty Pippen, I covered him in Portland. Not close to Jason Tatum, Patrick Ewing's not nearly as good as Anthony Davis, Christian Lahner on that team. Ant off the bench on this team. What are we talking about here? The flexibility? The bigs now can handle the ball and shoot back. Then centers had a range of about twelve feet. You dumped it to him, they'd pound the ball. That slowed everything up. That stuff doesn't last. You start looking at Dwight Howard's career, I mean, he's the line of demarcation. Dwight Howard, prodigy in high school, walks into the NBA about halfway in his career. He couldn't do anything. He couldn't back to the basket, couldn't do anything. That's what a lot of the bigs, almost all of the Bigs were. Today's game is motion and angles and free flowing and speed, and everybody can handle the ball. I mean, the Celtics won a title with an offense called five out. Everybody, including Al Horford, could sit in the corner and hit a three. Five out. You couldn't play that game, espnded thirty for thirties on the Knickson Pacers. The series had one pure shooter, Reggie Miller. The Knicks had nine guys in the roster that couldn't hit an eighteen footer. They were tough guys, they were fun guys. They were physical. Even John Starks wasn't a natural shooter. He was there shooting guard. Yeah, I mean he was the guy in the perimeter you would trust. I wouldn't trust it. So Michael Jordan's the best player to most of you of all time. That's fine. I think Lebron does more and better. Lebron's a much better version than Magic. And that's fine. And it's gonna take this team a long time to figure out you know, it's gonna take him a while to figure out Steph Curry. First four and a half minutes, they had a point. They got to figure out Steph Curry's style. But just look at the bench on this team so far. Look at the flexibility. It's positionless basketball. It's a thing of beauty. The game is global now. Guys come into this league from overseas. They are ready to play. They've played against twenty year old guys and they're seventeen years old. Here's Steve Kerr on the flexibility, the dexterity of this roster.

Can't go wrong picking a starting lineup, you know, with this group. So I think I told you guys the other day, I'm gonna do something different the next two games. We're gonna just look at a few different combinations before we settle on anything. But we wanted to establish Joelle early in the game. Knowing Canada didn't have a lot of size. We wanted to play Bam and Anthony Davis together with the second group and see what that looked like.

Can't go wrong picking a starting lineup, you know, with this group. So I think I told you guys the other day, I'm gonna do something different the next two games. We're gonna just look at a few different combinations before we settle on anything. But we wanted to establish Joelle early in the game. Knowing Canada didn't have a lot of size. We wanted to play Bam and Anthony Davis together with the second group and see what that looked like.

Listen, anytime a team of business, anything has multiple ways to beat you, multiple lineups, completely flexible, the depth, the roster, the ball handling, you know, the shooting. It's not close. It's just a free flowing game. You can love Michael Larry Bird was shot. I think this team I don't know how that team would defend him that plotting style. And I love Barkley and I love I love the old players. Two things gonna be true. But go listen to Stairway to Heaven. You were absolutely sure it was the greatest song ever. If you waken Bake, maybe it still sticks, but for most of us get to the lyrics. All right, So I think we're staring at the wrong thing with Kitlin Clark. So Caitlyn Clark, and we all know this is that when you're a college player and then you come into the pros, the game's much faster and it's more physical, and so there's ohay's bumps. But I tend to just look at your production. So Caitlin Clark's production is incredible. She has now done four straight double double games points and assists fifteen points, twelve assists thirteen eleven, nineteen thirteen, twenty nine, thirteen, last night incredible. She reminds me of Andrew Luck. Same city, doesn't have a lot of support. He comes in with terrible old lines, has to win by a shootout. At the time, breaks the rookie passing record forty four hundred yards, twenty eight total touchdowns, goes eleven and five, And all anybody wants to talk about is there are a lot of interceptions. Yes, college to the pro the game is faster, the corners are better, but forty four hundred yards, you're looking at the wrong stuff with Andrew Luck. Reduction with a terrible old line, forty four hundred yards, twenty eight total touchdowns, all at the time rookie records. Anybody wanted to talk about that. The picks, Yeah, eighteen picks. Yeah, he's not a veteran quarterback. Dude was a production machine with virtually no Pro bowlers. And that's Kitlyn Clark's turnover talk. All I've heard, Oh the turnovers with Kitlyn Clark. A. She's got the ball in her hands a lot. B she is a rookie, right, the game is faster, and you know who also has a lot of turnovers? Players that play fast and loose. Lebron leads the NBA all time in turnovers. Steph Curry has a lot of turnovers. Luca has a lot of turnovers. Like, I've never banged on quarterbacks who throw picks if they're productive, Peyton Manning, John l Dan Marino, Brett Favre Go back to Joe Namath through a lot of picks. Tom Brady had picked sixes in the Super Bowl and one. Turnovers happen if you're a quarterback that plays with courage. My biggest knock on Aaron Rodgers has been if he throws an early pick, he backs off and plays say football, Brady Peyton, Manning, Lway, Mahomes, do not let it rip, baby, play fast and loose. You gotta have a short memory in the NFL, and you've got to have a short memory in basketball. If you play fast, Steph Curry can have back to back awful turnovers. He's going faster the next time down the floor, and that's what makes him Steph Curry. So I think with Caitlin Clark, and if you look at her numbers in the last ten games, she's not only good, she's getting better. She's catching up to the speed. She's getting much better, much more quickly. So if it's it's just it's one of those things. I will support quarterbacks who are high le productive and throw some picks. I'm not gonna support Daniel Jones who throws picks, but I will support Trevor Lawrence with some of his turnovers. He can be very, very productive. Josh Allen came into this league. He was a little wild, but he was wildly productive. Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, they throw interceptions, they're great like Mahomes is like historically unique. You get the production without the picks. He's the best quarterback ever after Tom Brady, who gave you the production with no picks. That's why those are the goats. Joe Montana now is a different time, but Joe didn't give you a lot of picks. That's what separates great from you know, top two or three guys.

Listen, anytime a team of business, anything has multiple ways to beat you, multiple lineups, completely flexible, the depth, the roster, the ball handling, you know, the shooting. It's not close. It's just a free flowing game. You can love Michael Larry Bird was shot. I think this team I don't know how that team would defend him that plotting style. And I love Barkley and I love I love the old players. Two things gonna be true. But go listen to Stairway to Heaven. You were absolutely sure it was the greatest song ever. If you waken Bake, maybe it still sticks, but for most of us get to the lyrics. All right, So I think we're staring at the wrong thing with Kitlin Clark. So Caitlyn Clark, and we all know this is that when you're a college player and then you come into the pros, the game's much faster and it's more physical, and so there's ohay's bumps. But I tend to just look at your production. So Caitlin Clark's production is incredible. She has now done four straight double double games points and assists fifteen points, twelve assists thirteen eleven, nineteen thirteen, twenty nine, thirteen, last night incredible. She reminds me of Andrew Luck. Same city, doesn't have a lot of support. He comes in with terrible old lines, has to win by a shootout. At the time, breaks the rookie passing record forty four hundred yards, twenty eight total touchdowns, goes eleven and five, And all anybody wants to talk about is there are a lot of interceptions. Yes, college to the pro the game is faster, the corners are better, but forty four hundred yards, you're looking at the wrong stuff with Andrew Luck. Reduction with a terrible old line, forty four hundred yards, twenty eight total touchdowns, all at the time rookie records. Anybody wanted to talk about that. The picks, Yeah, eighteen picks. Yeah, he's not a veteran quarterback. Dude was a production machine with virtually no Pro bowlers. And that's Kitlyn Clark's turnover talk. All I've heard, Oh the turnovers with Kitlyn Clark. A. She's got the ball in her hands a lot. B she is a rookie, right, the game is faster, and you know who also has a lot of turnovers? Players that play fast and loose. Lebron leads the NBA all time in turnovers. Steph Curry has a lot of turnovers. Luca has a lot of turnovers. Like, I've never banged on quarterbacks who throw picks if they're productive, Peyton Manning, John l Dan Marino, Brett Favre Go back to Joe Namath through a lot of picks. Tom Brady had picked sixes in the Super Bowl and one. Turnovers happen if you're a quarterback that plays with courage. My biggest knock on Aaron Rodgers has been if he throws an early pick, he backs off and plays say football, Brady Peyton, Manning, Lway, Mahomes, do not let it rip, baby, play fast and loose. You gotta have a short memory in the NFL, and you've got to have a short memory in basketball. If you play fast, Steph Curry can have back to back awful turnovers. He's going faster the next time down the floor, and that's what makes him Steph Curry. So I think with Caitlin Clark, and if you look at her numbers in the last ten games, she's not only good, she's getting better. She's catching up to the speed. She's getting much better, much more quickly. So if it's it's just it's one of those things. I will support quarterbacks who are high le productive and throw some picks. I'm not gonna support Daniel Jones who throws picks, but I will support Trevor Lawrence with some of his turnovers. He can be very, very productive. Josh Allen came into this league. He was a little wild, but he was wildly productive. Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, they throw interceptions, they're great like Mahomes is like historically unique. You get the production without the picks. He's the best quarterback ever after Tom Brady, who gave you the production with no picks. That's why those are the goats. Joe Montana now is a different time, but Joe didn't give you a lot of picks. That's what separates great from you know, top two or three guys.

Ever.

Ever.

But I'm okay with Farv and Burrow and Stafford, and I'm okay with Caitlin Clark's turnovers. She's good, she's productive. Double doubles are right now. In fact, I looked it up this morning. Caitlin Clark her production. She is sex get in the WNBA and assists per game. By the way, not like she's got a lot of finishers on that team. So she's second in the league and a team without a lot of finishers, she's third in total threes made. When everybody in the league knows guard Caitlin Clark. If you're playing Indiana, it's not like she's got all star teammates who are taking off some of that. So you can turn the telescope. You're staring at the wrong stuff with Andrew Luck for years, you're staring at the wrong stuff. The turnovers don't bother me, and those will come down over time to catch up to the speed of the game. Interceptions over the course of time. Trevor Lawrence won't throw his many. Caleb Williams for Chicago this year. My guest says, he's got some turnovers, you're too fewer. Year three. I'll find the light comes on, the game slows down, then he'll be fine, all right. Rachel Nichols, USA, Canada. You know, I just I didn't grow up in a traditional family. I mean, we weren't hippies living in tents in the backyard, but I didn't grow up in this highly traditional family, so I don't tend to embrace you know stuff. In the seventies and eighties and nineties, there were great Walter Payton's the best running back I've ever seen. I would defend it forever. That is the best running back, power, speed, everything I've ever seen. Better than Barry, better than McCaffrey, better than Derrick Henry, better than Adrian Peterson. There are some things. Ted Williams hitting a baseball, Bob Gibson throwing a baseball. I'm not saying guys, Kareem abdul Jabbar, you got to be kidding me. I mean the guy literally, Bill Walton is a college basketball player would be great today. It was great then the late great Bill Walton. But a lot of this stuff is nonsense. You're grabbing on this to Larry Bird was shot your the older Magic's not the older Lebron. Your bench got Christian Laytner on it. It's a whole different ballgame today.

But I'm okay with Farv and Burrow and Stafford, and I'm okay with Caitlin Clark's turnovers. She's good, she's productive. Double doubles are right now. In fact, I looked it up this morning. Caitlin Clark her production. She is sex get in the WNBA and assists per game. By the way, not like she's got a lot of finishers on that team. So she's second in the league and a team without a lot of finishers, she's third in total threes made. When everybody in the league knows guard Caitlin Clark. If you're playing Indiana, it's not like she's got all star teammates who are taking off some of that. So you can turn the telescope. You're staring at the wrong stuff with Andrew Luck for years, you're staring at the wrong stuff. The turnovers don't bother me, and those will come down over time to catch up to the speed of the game. Interceptions over the course of time. Trevor Lawrence won't throw his many. Caleb Williams for Chicago this year. My guest says, he's got some turnovers, you're too fewer. Year three. I'll find the light comes on, the game slows down, then he'll be fine, all right. Rachel Nichols, USA, Canada. You know, I just I didn't grow up in a traditional family. I mean, we weren't hippies living in tents in the backyard, but I didn't grow up in this highly traditional family, so I don't tend to embrace you know stuff. In the seventies and eighties and nineties, there were great Walter Payton's the best running back I've ever seen. I would defend it forever. That is the best running back, power, speed, everything I've ever seen. Better than Barry, better than McCaffrey, better than Derrick Henry, better than Adrian Peterson. There are some things. Ted Williams hitting a baseball, Bob Gibson throwing a baseball. I'm not saying guys, Kareem abdul Jabbar, you got to be kidding me. I mean the guy literally, Bill Walton is a college basketball player would be great today. It was great then the late great Bill Walton. But a lot of this stuff is nonsense. You're grabbing on this to Larry Bird was shot your the older Magic's not the older Lebron. Your bench got Christian Laytner on it. It's a whole different ballgame today.

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You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great rates. None of the bull. There's a Hard Knocks has the Giants this year HBO available to stream on Max. These shows, in my opinion, are kind of played out because we have so much access on our phones now that you get so much behind the scenes stuff. But there are glimpses on these shows, like Hard Knocks. You'll get about every episode or every couple episodes. Uh, you're gonna get a little moment, and sometimes the moment is a GM or a coach playing to the cameras they know the cameras are on. Joe Shane of the Giants did that a couple of times defending Daniel Jones, he's playing to the camera. It's nonsense. And then you get other moments where after a while, like at the NFL Combine, the general manager sort of You know, if you put a mic on me and I walked around LA for an hour and a half, I'd probably at some point forget I have a mic on. Now, if I was in my office knowing there's a camera on, I would never forget that. I'd see it, I'd know it. I'd watch the guy set it up. But sometimes you put a mic on these guys, they wander around and they just forget the damn MIC's on. And at the combine, the Giants GM goes and talks to the Patriots who had the number three pick. Giants had a six Elliott Wolf, and it's pretty clear that the Giants wanted to draft the quarterback.

You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great rates. None of the bull. There's a Hard Knocks has the Giants this year HBO available to stream on Max. These shows, in my opinion, are kind of played out because we have so much access on our phones now that you get so much behind the scenes stuff. But there are glimpses on these shows, like Hard Knocks. You'll get about every episode or every couple episodes. Uh, you're gonna get a little moment, and sometimes the moment is a GM or a coach playing to the cameras they know the cameras are on. Joe Shane of the Giants did that a couple of times defending Daniel Jones, he's playing to the camera. It's nonsense. And then you get other moments where after a while, like at the NFL Combine, the general manager sort of You know, if you put a mic on me and I walked around LA for an hour and a half, I'd probably at some point forget I have a mic on. Now, if I was in my office knowing there's a camera on, I would never forget that. I'd see it, I'd know it. I'd watch the guy set it up. But sometimes you put a mic on these guys, they wander around and they just forget the damn MIC's on. And at the combine, the Giants GM goes and talks to the Patriots who had the number three pick. Giants had a six Elliott Wolf, and it's pretty clear that the Giants wanted to draft the quarterback.

I'm just gonna put down there and just say, hey, before you do anything at three, just make sure you let us know, just plan the scene. If you are going to move the pick, don't do it without at least giving us a call. And you know where lesser buddle. We're interested if you guys are going to do anything at three, like move out at all. Again, I don't you tell me your plan or anything, but if you have any you know, being clean, just.

I'm just gonna put down there and just say, hey, before you do anything at three, just make sure you let us know, just plan the scene. If you are going to move the pick, don't do it without at least giving us a call. And you know where lesser buddle. We're interested if you guys are going to do anything at three, like move out at all. Again, I don't you tell me your plan or anything, but if you have any you know, being clean, just.

Just call me.

Just call me.

Just call me if you're going to do anything now. Reportedly, Jordan reported this at the time that the Giants made an offer to the Patriots, including another number one pick, not only swapping the three in the six, but the following year's number one pick. So they wanted a quarterback. They wanted to go get Drake May, and New England said, we can go either way here, but we're going to keep him because we we got Jacoby Brissett. So it's listen. Sports fans always think if you don't pick the team that you're against him. We're not against the New York Giants. We just don't think Daniel Jones is the guy. I talked about this with Caitlin Clark. Wildly productive, but she's got some turnovers. Very Andrew Luck, I'm okay with that with Daniel Jones. In fifty nine starts, I got sixty two touchdowns, that's it, and forty picks. It's not the picks that drive me crazy. In a passer rating of eighty five, Justin Herbert, who has almost the same number of starts, has double the touchdown passes one hundred and fourteen and he's got forty two picks. I can live with that, but it's the production. Justin Herbert gives you better completion, better pass rate. Ain't gonna give you one hundred and fourteen touchdown passes and run. For some it's not the picks, because when you have the wrong coach or a bat old line and with the Chargers, you're gonna have picks. With Daniel Jones, you don't get the upside, but get all the downside. A little bit of my theme today. I can live with mistakes. Nobody's perfect. You see who's running for president both sides. That's the position of president of the United States, not great choices. I can live with mistakes. I can live with picks. I can live in basketball with turnovers. But you gotta give me an upside to it. If you're gonna be a rock star and trash the whtel room, you gotta be guns and Roses and sell out the show at the Rose Bowl and give me one hundred and ten thousand people. If I'm the promoter, go ahead, trash the hotel room, trash the van that gets you to the Rose Bull. You gotta sell out the Rose bul and so it's pretty clear. It's pretty clear the Giants GM and the coach wanted to draft another quarterback.

Just call me if you're going to do anything now. Reportedly, Jordan reported this at the time that the Giants made an offer to the Patriots, including another number one pick, not only swapping the three in the six, but the following year's number one pick. So they wanted a quarterback. They wanted to go get Drake May, and New England said, we can go either way here, but we're going to keep him because we we got Jacoby Brissett. So it's listen. Sports fans always think if you don't pick the team that you're against him. We're not against the New York Giants. We just don't think Daniel Jones is the guy. I talked about this with Caitlin Clark. Wildly productive, but she's got some turnovers. Very Andrew Luck, I'm okay with that with Daniel Jones. In fifty nine starts, I got sixty two touchdowns, that's it, and forty picks. It's not the picks that drive me crazy. In a passer rating of eighty five, Justin Herbert, who has almost the same number of starts, has double the touchdown passes one hundred and fourteen and he's got forty two picks. I can live with that, but it's the production. Justin Herbert gives you better completion, better pass rate. Ain't gonna give you one hundred and fourteen touchdown passes and run. For some it's not the picks, because when you have the wrong coach or a bat old line and with the Chargers, you're gonna have picks. With Daniel Jones, you don't get the upside, but get all the downside. A little bit of my theme today. I can live with mistakes. Nobody's perfect. You see who's running for president both sides. That's the position of president of the United States, not great choices. I can live with mistakes. I can live with picks. I can live in basketball with turnovers. But you gotta give me an upside to it. If you're gonna be a rock star and trash the whtel room, you gotta be guns and Roses and sell out the show at the Rose Bowl and give me one hundred and ten thousand people. If I'm the promoter, go ahead, trash the hotel room, trash the van that gets you to the Rose Bull. You gotta sell out the Rose bul and so it's pretty clear. It's pretty clear the Giants GM and the coach wanted to draft another quarterback.

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Paully Fools gohere with Tony Foosco. Yeah, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning Polly and Tony Foosco Show.

Paully Fools gohere with Tony Foosco. Yeah, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning Polly and Tony Foosco Show.

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Instead of telling you how great we are, he is how Dan Patrick described us when he came on our show.

Instead of telling you how great we are, he is how Dan Patrick described us when he came on our show.

Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.

Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.

What what are you doing? Were dirupting our promo? Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally of context.

What what are you doing? Were dirupting our promo? Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally of context.

Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you out and beat you.

Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you out and beat you.

Let me put this into context. Shut up.

Let me put this into context. Shut up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Here we go. It's our three flyly and by It's the Hurt Wherever you may be, however you may be listening thanks for making us part of your day. So Greg Berholzer, who I've supported, got fired after a disappointing performance at COPA as the men's coach United States men's national team. We fire our coaches, We blame our coaches. Won sixty nine percent of his games, best winning percentage ever for somebody that's coached these twenty games. And people say, hey, but our players are so much better they're playing over in Europe. Yes they are, but are they in their athletic trunk who Lissic has just entered his trime. We're still really young. We were one of the youngest World Cup teams that got into the round of sixteen draw with England and then just overwhelmed by the Netherlands. But the fact that this team played poorly in Copa now, I argued earlier Jordan Copa. Our talent now is more European. We like to play faster and wider, and Copa's fields are narrower and shorter like in the NFL and college football. Hash marks in different places, Olympic hockey rings, NHL rings, difference in size. Copa was not built for us. Not an excuse, it's a reason now when we got a red card against Panama and played a man down. That didn't help. And I do think there's an argument to be made that this team did not create enough high level scoring opportunities relative to our skill. But I think some of that is the game in which we played a man down. You tend to play just more defensively, right. You look for opportunities, but you're not going to be aggressive playing a man down after the red card. And I really, and this is not an excuse, I like our skill. But if I was talking about this in my pod yesterday, if you look at baseball, football basketball, the championship teams, the Celtics are a great example, have a majority of their best players, Derek White, Tatum, and Brown in their prime. Porzingis late prime, but prime. If you go to the NFL, you stots, Why say the San Francisco forty nine ers, be careful a lot of dudes if they're out of their prime. Now you're asking a lot, are you in your prime? When the Rams won, Stafford prime, Aaron Donald late prime, Cooper Cup prime, Von Miller late prime, that's how you win. This team has a a bunch of guys who are just not quite yet. Polisic has entered his prime early. He's got our seven years of it. But we're not great yet. We have a potential in two years to be really special. I like, I think this team at the World Cup can make a real impact. Joining us live Alexi Lawless on the firing of Greg Berholter. So is this a fair criticism that?

Here we go. It's our three flyly and by It's the Hurt Wherever you may be, however you may be listening thanks for making us part of your day. So Greg Berholzer, who I've supported, got fired after a disappointing performance at COPA as the men's coach United States men's national team. We fire our coaches, We blame our coaches. Won sixty nine percent of his games, best winning percentage ever for somebody that's coached these twenty games. And people say, hey, but our players are so much better they're playing over in Europe. Yes they are, but are they in their athletic trunk who Lissic has just entered his trime. We're still really young. We were one of the youngest World Cup teams that got into the round of sixteen draw with England and then just overwhelmed by the Netherlands. But the fact that this team played poorly in Copa now, I argued earlier Jordan Copa. Our talent now is more European. We like to play faster and wider, and Copa's fields are narrower and shorter like in the NFL and college football. Hash marks in different places, Olympic hockey rings, NHL rings, difference in size. Copa was not built for us. Not an excuse, it's a reason now when we got a red card against Panama and played a man down. That didn't help. And I do think there's an argument to be made that this team did not create enough high level scoring opportunities relative to our skill. But I think some of that is the game in which we played a man down. You tend to play just more defensively, right. You look for opportunities, but you're not going to be aggressive playing a man down after the red card. And I really, and this is not an excuse, I like our skill. But if I was talking about this in my pod yesterday, if you look at baseball, football basketball, the championship teams, the Celtics are a great example, have a majority of their best players, Derek White, Tatum, and Brown in their prime. Porzingis late prime, but prime. If you go to the NFL, you stots, Why say the San Francisco forty nine ers, be careful a lot of dudes if they're out of their prime. Now you're asking a lot, are you in your prime? When the Rams won, Stafford prime, Aaron Donald late prime, Cooper Cup prime, Von Miller late prime, that's how you win. This team has a a bunch of guys who are just not quite yet. Polisic has entered his prime early. He's got our seven years of it. But we're not great yet. We have a potential in two years to be really special. I like, I think this team at the World Cup can make a real impact. Joining us live Alexi Lawless on the firing of Greg Berholter. So is this a fair criticism that?

Wow, Colin you are you are a glutton for punishment? My friend, you've been around. I was listening to your pod yet last yesterday, and you also talked about the well, how should we say it? The elitism and the snobbery and the gatekeeping that American soccer does, and how dare you go and defend Greg Berholt. They're going to come for you and your family? My goodness? Wow oh wow.

Wow, Colin you are you are a glutton for punishment? My friend, you've been around. I was listening to your pod yet last yesterday, and you also talked about the well, how should we say it? The elitism and the snobbery and the gatekeeping that American soccer does, and how dare you go and defend Greg Berholt. They're going to come for you and your family? My goodness? Wow oh wow.

So I'll start with a criticism, is that, considering our skill level where our best players are in Europe many flourishing, that we want a more aggressive style and that we didn't create a lot of successive offense, dynamic offensive opportunities that jumped off the matches. For me, we're not quite as dynamic as I want. Is that a fair criticism?

So I'll start with a criticism, is that, considering our skill level where our best players are in Europe many flourishing, that we want a more aggressive style and that we didn't create a lot of successive offense, dynamic offensive opportunities that jumped off the matches. For me, we're not quite as dynamic as I want. Is that a fair criticism?

Sure?

Sure?

I mean, and you mentioned the expectations given this group, and you're absolutely right to point out the fact that we took a very young group back to the World Cup, which by the way, happened on Greg Burholter's watch. But the promise that Greg Burholter and this team have kind of made with us is that we are going to see things that haven't been done before and that has not come to fruition. And maybe in Greg Burholter's mind that was going to culminate in twenty twenty six, but ultimately, in the games that he has won, he can't point to one where we are beating and bettering the elites of the world. And that's ultimately what this was about. So I understand you know where you're coming from relative to the criticism that Burholter has taken. But ultimately it's about winning and so all the other stuff that we talk about, and you talk about this in sports all the time, it's about winning. And I have no doubt that had that red card not come and the US had gone through and beaten Panama or hied Panama, that eventually they would have gone through into the knockout rounds and Greg Burchlter would still be the coach. But they didn't and we can say this is the blame. And we can't fire the entire team, obviously, but we can fire the coach. And I think most importantly right now is that twenty twenty six is too important. It's the most important summer in American soccer history and we cannot afford to waste it. And I think right now Greg Burholter is divisive and we need to be united. We need to be together. Whether it's his fault or not, to be quite honest with you, is irrelevant. We need somebody there. I want somebody that is bigger than life. I want somebody that I can believe in and that makes us believe in the coach and this team going forward into twenty twenty six, and that was not happening right now, so I think they had to make the change.

I mean, and you mentioned the expectations given this group, and you're absolutely right to point out the fact that we took a very young group back to the World Cup, which by the way, happened on Greg Burholter's watch. But the promise that Greg Burholter and this team have kind of made with us is that we are going to see things that haven't been done before and that has not come to fruition. And maybe in Greg Burholter's mind that was going to culminate in twenty twenty six, but ultimately, in the games that he has won, he can't point to one where we are beating and bettering the elites of the world. And that's ultimately what this was about. So I understand you know where you're coming from relative to the criticism that Burholter has taken. But ultimately it's about winning and so all the other stuff that we talk about, and you talk about this in sports all the time, it's about winning. And I have no doubt that had that red card not come and the US had gone through and beaten Panama or hied Panama, that eventually they would have gone through into the knockout rounds and Greg Burchlter would still be the coach. But they didn't and we can say this is the blame. And we can't fire the entire team, obviously, but we can fire the coach. And I think most importantly right now is that twenty twenty six is too important. It's the most important summer in American soccer history and we cannot afford to waste it. And I think right now Greg Burholter is divisive and we need to be united. We need to be together. Whether it's his fault or not, to be quite honest with you, is irrelevant. We need somebody there. I want somebody that is bigger than life. I want somebody that I can believe in and that makes us believe in the coach and this team going forward into twenty twenty six, and that was not happening right now, so I think they had to make the change.

So I had said this at the last World Cup, although I thought just getting the draw with England and getting out of the group stage in itself was fairly remarkable considering the youth of this team. They were I think second youngest team or one of the youngest teams. Yep, that excuse won't stick, but there is something that's missing and I don't want to throw out any cliches, but there does appear to be a lack of grit. I thought in the last World Cup they needed an Alexi Lawless or a Clint Dempsey, a borderline inappropriately physical kind of just a guy that's almost annoying, not always perfectly Clint Dempsey co coach of All Clinton could be a lot for Bruce Arena, and I think they miss it. And as I watched this team, even if they're more talented and more European in style, it does feel like, what is it that we can't create a kind of chip on the shoulder grittiness that I see with these brilliant Argentinian teams or these teams that have the skill overseas, but they also bring a toughness. Is do I sound like an American football dope or is that something that used so No.

So I had said this at the last World Cup, although I thought just getting the draw with England and getting out of the group stage in itself was fairly remarkable considering the youth of this team. They were I think second youngest team or one of the youngest teams. Yep, that excuse won't stick, but there is something that's missing and I don't want to throw out any cliches, but there does appear to be a lack of grit. I thought in the last World Cup they needed an Alexi Lawless or a Clint Dempsey, a borderline inappropriately physical kind of just a guy that's almost annoying, not always perfectly Clint Dempsey co coach of All Clinton could be a lot for Bruce Arena, and I think they miss it. And as I watched this team, even if they're more talented and more European in style, it does feel like, what is it that we can't create a kind of chip on the shoulder grittiness that I see with these brilliant Argentinian teams or these teams that have the skill overseas, but they also bring a toughness. Is do I sound like an American football dope or is that something that used so No.

You don't sound like a dope. And I think it's almost a human condition, right because you know, for example, when you know when somebody you know in business is successful, sometimes they will grow and they will change in the way that they act, in the way that they are affected, in the way that they dress, in the way that they live their life, and sometimes in doing so, they will lose ultimately what made them successful in the first place. And I think in our desire to become more refined, our desire to evolve as a soccer playing nation and as a national team, it has made us do things that we haven't done in the past and attempt to play in ways that we haven't done in the past. And that's commendable. But what it has done also has made us lose some of the stuff that has made us you know, maybe not uniquely American, but certainly American over the years. And you talk about some that that ruthlessness and that aggression that is absolutely on display right now in Copa America and some from from some very good teams. If you look at the Uruguays and the Colombians, yes, yes they have the skill, and yes they have the the the even the romance at times in terms of how they play, but there is also an incredible dog and there is also incredible fierce and if we if we lose that, then I do think that's a problem. And so marrying those two with a more evolved approach to play, but also with you know, a like I said, a dog and a and a and a and a grit where all the words, all the cliches that you said, where you know, almost like the you know, obscenity from the Supreme Court. I know it when I see it, right, And you know what, when you see it in all sports including soccer, give me.

You don't sound like a dope. And I think it's almost a human condition, right because you know, for example, when you know when somebody you know in business is successful, sometimes they will grow and they will change in the way that they act, in the way that they are affected, in the way that they dress, in the way that they live their life, and sometimes in doing so, they will lose ultimately what made them successful in the first place. And I think in our desire to become more refined, our desire to evolve as a soccer playing nation and as a national team, it has made us do things that we haven't done in the past and attempt to play in ways that we haven't done in the past. And that's commendable. But what it has done also has made us lose some of the stuff that has made us you know, maybe not uniquely American, but certainly American over the years. And you talk about some that that ruthlessness and that aggression that is absolutely on display right now in Copa America and some from from some very good teams. If you look at the Uruguays and the Colombians, yes, yes they have the skill, and yes they have the the the even the romance at times in terms of how they play, but there is also an incredible dog and there is also incredible fierce and if we if we lose that, then I do think that's a problem. And so marrying those two with a more evolved approach to play, but also with you know, a like I said, a dog and a and a and a and a grit where all the words, all the cliches that you said, where you know, almost like the you know, obscenity from the Supreme Court. I know it when I see it, right, And you know what, when you see it in all sports including soccer, give me.

I see the names bandied about Liverpool and you get and I think to myself, well, that's a pretty good gig. Are we are we overly optimistic and hyperbolic in our pursuit of the next coach? Is there a perfect style or manager for us when we go? You know, listen, I love the idea that swing big. Are we realistic on our potential choices?

I see the names bandied about Liverpool and you get and I think to myself, well, that's a pretty good gig. Are we are we overly optimistic and hyperbolic in our pursuit of the next coach? Is there a perfect style or manager for us when we go? You know, listen, I love the idea that swing big. Are we realistic on our potential choices?

I think we are, I mean, as we're as we're you know, as we're doing this. News is just broken that evidently Jurgen Klopp, who a lot of people had talked about and that certainly is swinging big, maybe as big as you can get other than Pep Guardiola, you know, has said he wants time away and he's you know, has said thank you, but no thank you when it comes to the US, and there's plenty of other other names out there that are big, that are going to cost a lot of money. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to be successful. And I think there is this this feeling that with twenty twenty six and not wasting the stage and the platform that is twenty twenty six, you know, go big or go home and do some things that we haven't been done in the past. And a lot of times we equate that with money, and we equate that with notoriety and big name types of things. It doesn't have to necessarily be a big name, it doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of money. But I think what I say Soccer Federation has come out and said very clearly is that money is it's not no object. But if there is somebody big that is going to cost a lot out there that wants to do it, more importantly, they will find the money. So that's not holding the US back. But regardless, this has to be a hire for the next two years. This has to be somebody that comes in and says, look, these are the players and either you're gonna coach them up right, and you have to coach them up individually and collectively. And if they don't have what you want, then you got to get rid of them and find somebody else. But that's gonna be very very hard in just two years. And to your point, I think a lot of these players are very very good. They have plenty of pedigree when it comes to where they are playing, but they are not living up to their potential. And so whoever comes in for two years, I don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't care about your Kumbaya dynamic. I don't care about ted talks or anything like that. But I do care that you are able to inspire this group and in turn inspire me and all of the American soccer fans out there to say, yeah, I'm gonna follow this person, because this person has taking us to the promised Land as gonna give us the best chance of doing something big and doing something that we haven't seen before. Come the summer of twenty twenty.

I think we are, I mean, as we're as we're you know, as we're doing this. News is just broken that evidently Jurgen Klopp, who a lot of people had talked about and that certainly is swinging big, maybe as big as you can get other than Pep Guardiola, you know, has said he wants time away and he's you know, has said thank you, but no thank you when it comes to the US, and there's plenty of other other names out there that are big, that are going to cost a lot of money. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to be successful. And I think there is this this feeling that with twenty twenty six and not wasting the stage and the platform that is twenty twenty six, you know, go big or go home and do some things that we haven't been done in the past. And a lot of times we equate that with money, and we equate that with notoriety and big name types of things. It doesn't have to necessarily be a big name, it doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of money. But I think what I say Soccer Federation has come out and said very clearly is that money is it's not no object. But if there is somebody big that is going to cost a lot out there that wants to do it, more importantly, they will find the money. So that's not holding the US back. But regardless, this has to be a hire for the next two years. This has to be somebody that comes in and says, look, these are the players and either you're gonna coach them up right, and you have to coach them up individually and collectively. And if they don't have what you want, then you got to get rid of them and find somebody else. But that's gonna be very very hard in just two years. And to your point, I think a lot of these players are very very good. They have plenty of pedigree when it comes to where they are playing, but they are not living up to their potential. And so whoever comes in for two years, I don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't care about your Kumbaya dynamic. I don't care about ted talks or anything like that. But I do care that you are able to inspire this group and in turn inspire me and all of the American soccer fans out there to say, yeah, I'm gonna follow this person, because this person has taking us to the promised Land as gonna give us the best chance of doing something big and doing something that we haven't seen before. Come the summer of twenty twenty.

Six, Alexi Lawless, my friend, all right, you brought it. And by the way, you know me. Sometimes the irritation I create is a joyful experience, perhaps not for those who I irritate, but for me, and so I think we both have that in common.

Six, Alexi Lawless, my friend, all right, you brought it. And by the way, you know me. Sometimes the irritation I create is a joyful experience, perhaps not for those who I irritate, but for me, and so I think we both have that in common.

Sometimes we are shared beautiful irritants, beautiful pests, if you will, and we enjoy poking and It's okay to poke every once in a while. Sometimes that's how you get to the truth, my friend.

Sometimes we are shared beautiful irritants, beautiful pests, if you will, and we enjoy poking and It's okay to poke every once in a while. Sometimes that's how you get to the truth, my friend.

Thank you, good see anybody as always fit. The Great Alexi Lawless

Thank you, good see anybody as always fit. The Great Alexi Lawless