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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowvert on Fox Sports Radio.

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Man, do we have stuff today? We have so much stuff we may just go four hours. Call Nick right, tell him we'll have to bump him live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I got to get the shirt right here. I got, I mean I got. I'm doing so much intel here today and work in the phones. I'm not even ready to go. Jmack. I can't go to the Knicks Lakers tonight. I've got and I'm watching the game. But I've got a little bit of a meeting. I got to go to.

Man, do we have stuff today? We have so much stuff we may just go four hours. Call Nick right, tell him we'll have to bump him live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I got to get the shirt right here. I got, I mean I got. I'm doing so much intel here today and work in the phones. I'm not even ready to go. Jmack. I can't go to the Knicks Lakers tonight. I've got and I'm watching the game. But I've got a little bit of a meeting. I got to go to.

Hey d one last night too. Huh, stiff armed me.

Hey d one last night too. Huh, stiff armed me.

It's not about it was an Intel meeting last night. I got all sorts of good stuff.

It's not about it was an Intel meeting last night. I got all sorts of good stuff.

I just happened to be with an NBA for were NBA.

I just happened to be with an NBA for were NBA.

Coach last night. Oh oh, I think you could probably get him on the show. He had some interesting things to say. Shall we say?

Coach last night. Oh oh, I think you could probably get him on the show. He had some interesting things to say. Shall we say?

Yeah? I know who it was, good guy. So let's start with this. I've been watching the NBA since the early seventies, and this year I think this is kind of funny. But I'm all of a sudden the Jason Tatum hater. And all I said about seven years ago is this kid's really good. But he may want to model his game after Kobe Bryant, but he's not Kobe. Like you got to occasionally as a star, just be selfish. Even Steph Curry, who I love, can be hey, it's my ball, stay away. And so I've said with Tatum, I look at the Celtics as a great team, and he's their most versatile talented player, but he's not always their best player. And I'm not even sure if he's their lead alpha. I think Jalen Brown is. So last night it's a great example. Three Celtics were out Holiday Porzingis and Jason Tatum and Peyton Pritchard scored forty three, and Derek White scored forty one. That's what makes the Celtics great. It's not Tatum. It's the team thing that tells you a lot about the team. In the seventies, the Sonics were great. The leading scorer in their championship year was Gus Williams nineteen a game. The Washington Bullets at the time, they were called they were great. Their best player in their championship season Elvin Hayes nineteen points a game. Like the seventies, was about team construction, good coaching, won B plus plus star right then Magic Dynasties, Bird Dynasty, Shack Dynasty, Kobe Dynasty, Lebron Steph, KD MJ. Then it was the Dynasties taken over the NBA Duncan. It was unbelievably other worldly all time talents. You know, guys that are on the all time starting five, first, second, third team. What the Celtics are is seventies basketball. Now, they may be the best constructed team ever, but this is not a star driven team. Last night it's a great example. In fact, think about this, when Yokich misses a game, the Denver Nuggets are ten points less of a team and they're like under five hundred. When Steph misses a game, Warriors are seven points less of a team. I looked it up this morning. Here's another one. When Jannis is out the Bucks five hundred team seven points less as a team. When Jason Tatum is out the last two years, the Celtics are not only ten and two, they're eight points better without him. So you're trying to tell me he's Steph. You're trying to tell me he's a Jannis. You're trying to tell me he's Jokic. The team's eight points better when he leaves. In fact, last night it's the first time in Celtics history two guys scored forty plus points. Tatum and Brown have never done it. So it's like telling me brock Purty should be paid like Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Mahomes. Jason Tatum's really good. But the story last night is what they are there. They are a master class in roster construction because Danny Ainge is a personnel savant and so is Brad Stevens. Back to back brilliant GMS Howie Roseman level aggressive, smart risk taker. Stevens is brilliant. He's too smart for college basketball probably, and Danny Age is brilliant. How many teams has he taken to showers over the years. And they've constructed I mean, it's like they beat the NBA Apron, like they have a cheat code. They have more good players than everybody. I mean, Peyton Pritchard dropping forty three, the hell's going on. No other team's got a guy like Peyton Pritchard gonna win sixth Man of the Year dropping forty three in the Stars out, so Holidays out, Porzingis is out, Tatum's out. They got two other guys that can go forty plus. So it's not a criticism. They're like the seventies team. They're not shacking Kobe. They're not Stephan KD. They're not MJ and Pippin. I mean, they're not even Duncan Parker and manob Menu Genobli. They are the greatest roster constructed team with the most depth arguably ever. If in the seventies, they would have been the team that won a second or a third title. But they're not beating Shaq and Kobe. They're not beating Michael lin Scotti or Kat and Steph. That's not what they are and so I just thought it was great last night that I've been saying this on and on. You are trying to get me to put Tatum in this group with Jokic and Staff and KD and Lebron and the numbers Ted and Tooney didn't play. This is the best nineteen seventies basketball team in the planet. They just play in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five, and I think they will beat Cleveland in the Eastern Conference Finals and that will be the NBA Finals. The two best teams are Cleveland and Boston. Cleveland is a load, but I think Boston. What they did last night is I don't think Cleveland can do that regularly. If Donovan Mitchell's out, it's not the same team. Tatum's out eight points better. And so that don't confuse contextualization and hate. I love Tatum. He's one of those guys. He'd make every team in the league. He's a tremendous player. I think he's closer to like Klay Thompson. Now he's better than Klay Thompson. When Klay Thompson was the best two guard in the league. I had said at the time, he's the only player in the NBA, you could put on every team and it wouldn't affect the team. It would just make him better. If you put Lebron, who's a better player than Clay Thompson, if you put Lebron on every single team, it would screw up some teams because he and his prime was the ecosystem for every offense. You could just put Klay Thompson on any team in the league and be like, yep, we got the best catch and shoot guy, best number two defender in the league. And so I think that's Jason Tate. I think Jason Tatum is actually closer to Clay and his prime than Steph and his prime. And I think, and you'd think that's a Clay Thompson's a Hall of Famer. Now, I think Tatum's better than Klay Thompson. But Clay fits everywhere. Tatum fits everywhere. But when Clay Thompson took the night off, Warriors were fine. Steph takes the night off sub five hundred, it's different. Joe Mizzoula on Derek White and Peyton Pritchard lighting up the world last night, they were tremendous.

Yeah? I know who it was, good guy. So let's start with this. I've been watching the NBA since the early seventies, and this year I think this is kind of funny. But I'm all of a sudden the Jason Tatum hater. And all I said about seven years ago is this kid's really good. But he may want to model his game after Kobe Bryant, but he's not Kobe. Like you got to occasionally as a star, just be selfish. Even Steph Curry, who I love, can be hey, it's my ball, stay away. And so I've said with Tatum, I look at the Celtics as a great team, and he's their most versatile talented player, but he's not always their best player. And I'm not even sure if he's their lead alpha. I think Jalen Brown is. So last night it's a great example. Three Celtics were out Holiday Porzingis and Jason Tatum and Peyton Pritchard scored forty three, and Derek White scored forty one. That's what makes the Celtics great. It's not Tatum. It's the team thing that tells you a lot about the team. In the seventies, the Sonics were great. The leading scorer in their championship year was Gus Williams nineteen a game. The Washington Bullets at the time, they were called they were great. Their best player in their championship season Elvin Hayes nineteen points a game. Like the seventies, was about team construction, good coaching, won B plus plus star right then Magic Dynasties, Bird Dynasty, Shack Dynasty, Kobe Dynasty, Lebron Steph, KD MJ. Then it was the Dynasties taken over the NBA Duncan. It was unbelievably other worldly all time talents. You know, guys that are on the all time starting five, first, second, third team. What the Celtics are is seventies basketball. Now, they may be the best constructed team ever, but this is not a star driven team. Last night it's a great example. In fact, think about this, when Yokich misses a game, the Denver Nuggets are ten points less of a team and they're like under five hundred. When Steph misses a game, Warriors are seven points less of a team. I looked it up this morning. Here's another one. When Jannis is out the Bucks five hundred team seven points less as a team. When Jason Tatum is out the last two years, the Celtics are not only ten and two, they're eight points better without him. So you're trying to tell me he's Steph. You're trying to tell me he's a Jannis. You're trying to tell me he's Jokic. The team's eight points better when he leaves. In fact, last night it's the first time in Celtics history two guys scored forty plus points. Tatum and Brown have never done it. So it's like telling me brock Purty should be paid like Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Mahomes. Jason Tatum's really good. But the story last night is what they are there. They are a master class in roster construction because Danny Ainge is a personnel savant and so is Brad Stevens. Back to back brilliant GMS Howie Roseman level aggressive, smart risk taker. Stevens is brilliant. He's too smart for college basketball probably, and Danny Age is brilliant. How many teams has he taken to showers over the years. And they've constructed I mean, it's like they beat the NBA Apron, like they have a cheat code. They have more good players than everybody. I mean, Peyton Pritchard dropping forty three, the hell's going on. No other team's got a guy like Peyton Pritchard gonna win sixth Man of the Year dropping forty three in the Stars out, so Holidays out, Porzingis is out, Tatum's out. They got two other guys that can go forty plus. So it's not a criticism. They're like the seventies team. They're not shacking Kobe. They're not Stephan KD. They're not MJ and Pippin. I mean, they're not even Duncan Parker and manob Menu Genobli. They are the greatest roster constructed team with the most depth arguably ever. If in the seventies, they would have been the team that won a second or a third title. But they're not beating Shaq and Kobe. They're not beating Michael lin Scotti or Kat and Steph. That's not what they are and so I just thought it was great last night that I've been saying this on and on. You are trying to get me to put Tatum in this group with Jokic and Staff and KD and Lebron and the numbers Ted and Tooney didn't play. This is the best nineteen seventies basketball team in the planet. They just play in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five, and I think they will beat Cleveland in the Eastern Conference Finals and that will be the NBA Finals. The two best teams are Cleveland and Boston. Cleveland is a load, but I think Boston. What they did last night is I don't think Cleveland can do that regularly. If Donovan Mitchell's out, it's not the same team. Tatum's out eight points better. And so that don't confuse contextualization and hate. I love Tatum. He's one of those guys. He'd make every team in the league. He's a tremendous player. I think he's closer to like Klay Thompson. Now he's better than Klay Thompson. When Klay Thompson was the best two guard in the league. I had said at the time, he's the only player in the NBA, you could put on every team and it wouldn't affect the team. It would just make him better. If you put Lebron, who's a better player than Clay Thompson, if you put Lebron on every single team, it would screw up some teams because he and his prime was the ecosystem for every offense. You could just put Klay Thompson on any team in the league and be like, yep, we got the best catch and shoot guy, best number two defender in the league. And so I think that's Jason Tate. I think Jason Tatum is actually closer to Clay and his prime than Steph and his prime. And I think, and you'd think that's a Clay Thompson's a Hall of Famer. Now, I think Tatum's better than Klay Thompson. But Clay fits everywhere. Tatum fits everywhere. But when Clay Thompson took the night off, Warriors were fine. Steph takes the night off sub five hundred, it's different. Joe Mizzoula on Derek White and Peyton Pritchard lighting up the world last night, they were tremendous.

I mean, I think with guys out and playing against a really good Portland team and we're go need to have guys step up. And the way those two players just shows a lot about who they are. You know, they do a lot of the dirty stuff when we're fully healthy, they do a lot of the things, and you know, for the team, and to have a night like this where those two can show what they're capable of was big for us. So you know, we're lucky to have him and it was a lot of fun to watch him do that.

I mean, I think with guys out and playing against a really good Portland team and we're go need to have guys step up. And the way those two players just shows a lot about who they are. You know, they do a lot of the dirty stuff when we're fully healthy, they do a lot of the things, and you know, for the team, and to have a night like this where those two can show what they're capable of was big for us. So you know, we're lucky to have him and it was a lot of fun to watch him do that.

By the way, before you bang on that Klay Thompson reference, Klay Thompson was a top five or six defender in the league and the best catch and shoo guy in the league. And it's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer. So don't give me this. Jason Tatum is better than Klay Thompson. He is. Klay Thompson. His prime was unbelievable. It was honable. That's I mean, when you get a nickname as a back court Splash brothers when you're considered better than Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. Yeah, yeah, Clay Thompson was unbelievable in his prime. He can still drop twenty four on any given night. Okay, so this happened yesterday. DK Metcalf wants to be traded. J Mack hit on this a year and a half ago. Got to even credit. He said, we're in a you heard a housing bubble. He said, We're at a wide receiver bubble. We're paying these guys too much and it's really interesting. So right now DK Metcalf is thirty one million dollars against the cap, and I know he's good, but I was thinking about this driving to work this morning. Jamar Chase wants forty million dollars a year. Jamar Chase played last year and with Joe Burrow they couldn't make the playoffs. Justin Jefferson's the best receiver in league history. Through five years, He's never won a playoff game. The Eagles won the Super Bowl. Jalen Hirsch threw for eighteen regular season touchdown passes. Until this Super Bowl. The Chiefs had dominated the league recycling wide receivers. The Bills got better without Stefan Diggs. The only time the Patriots and Brady had a great receiver like an all timer was Randy Moss. Didn't win a Super Bowl the last three seasons. NFL touchdown. Wide receiver leaders have a single playoff win. So it's not that I don't like receivers, but I'm going to talk about something that never gets discussed. In fact, I've never seen this discust even online. I'm sure it has been what I like about wide receivers. Do they move that? Do they get first downs? Edelman with Brady, Amaran Saint Brown with Golf Puco with Stafford Kittled with Brock Purdy, Dallas Goddard with Philadelphia. They move the chains. I've said this about the deep threat receiver. He's the convertible sports car of the NFL. Useless. Flashy fun talked about useless December January. So Omaran Saint Brown has seventy three catches that resulted in first downs. That's what I want. Brought Bowers as a rookie tight end and the Raiders were bad at quarterback had sixty one catches that resulted in first downs. DK Metcalf had thirty five and was also the most penalized receiver since he entered the league. So half the time because of tantrums, he's pulling you back to first and thirty or first and twenty. So it's not that they don't like him, But Jim Harbaugh's courer. Everybody's like DK Metcalf Chargers. If you go look at Jim Harbaugh's career, he doesn't have dominant number one receivers. Jim Harbaugh has coached in six either conference championships in college or conference championships in the NFL. That's a lot six. Who's his dominant number one receiver. That's not who he is. So I don't think this is a fit to the Chargers. I really don't. They moved off Bosi yesterday. They're gonna draft an end rusher. I think of hardball, I think of toughness. I think of O line, D line. I think of physicality. I think of risk taking. I don't think wide receiver. But it's not that I don't like DK Metcalf, but he is the most penalized receiver since he entered the league, and he doesn't get enough first downs. I like Goddard and Kittle and Puka, and who I really love is Amaran Saint Brown. Seventy three catches are first downs. I don't need four to two speed. That's awesome at the combine, I don't need it. When he was in his prime, Cooper Cup was a first down. You go to that Matt Stafford run to win the Super Bowl. Cooper Cup was a first down. That's what I'm into. Not forty million dollars a year, thirty one million dollar cap pits and really flashy and fast down the field. End of the year. I need to move the chains. I'm not getting sixty five yard rainbows, all right. J Mac had a big piece of meat last night, steak house night.

By the way, before you bang on that Klay Thompson reference, Klay Thompson was a top five or six defender in the league and the best catch and shoo guy in the league. And it's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer. So don't give me this. Jason Tatum is better than Klay Thompson. He is. Klay Thompson. His prime was unbelievable. It was honable. That's I mean, when you get a nickname as a back court Splash brothers when you're considered better than Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. Yeah, yeah, Clay Thompson was unbelievable in his prime. He can still drop twenty four on any given night. Okay, so this happened yesterday. DK Metcalf wants to be traded. J Mack hit on this a year and a half ago. Got to even credit. He said, we're in a you heard a housing bubble. He said, We're at a wide receiver bubble. We're paying these guys too much and it's really interesting. So right now DK Metcalf is thirty one million dollars against the cap, and I know he's good, but I was thinking about this driving to work this morning. Jamar Chase wants forty million dollars a year. Jamar Chase played last year and with Joe Burrow they couldn't make the playoffs. Justin Jefferson's the best receiver in league history. Through five years, He's never won a playoff game. The Eagles won the Super Bowl. Jalen Hirsch threw for eighteen regular season touchdown passes. Until this Super Bowl. The Chiefs had dominated the league recycling wide receivers. The Bills got better without Stefan Diggs. The only time the Patriots and Brady had a great receiver like an all timer was Randy Moss. Didn't win a Super Bowl the last three seasons. NFL touchdown. Wide receiver leaders have a single playoff win. So it's not that I don't like receivers, but I'm going to talk about something that never gets discussed. In fact, I've never seen this discust even online. I'm sure it has been what I like about wide receivers. Do they move that? Do they get first downs? Edelman with Brady, Amaran Saint Brown with Golf Puco with Stafford Kittled with Brock Purdy, Dallas Goddard with Philadelphia. They move the chains. I've said this about the deep threat receiver. He's the convertible sports car of the NFL. Useless. Flashy fun talked about useless December January. So Omaran Saint Brown has seventy three catches that resulted in first downs. That's what I want. Brought Bowers as a rookie tight end and the Raiders were bad at quarterback had sixty one catches that resulted in first downs. DK Metcalf had thirty five and was also the most penalized receiver since he entered the league. So half the time because of tantrums, he's pulling you back to first and thirty or first and twenty. So it's not that they don't like him, But Jim Harbaugh's courer. Everybody's like DK Metcalf Chargers. If you go look at Jim Harbaugh's career, he doesn't have dominant number one receivers. Jim Harbaugh has coached in six either conference championships in college or conference championships in the NFL. That's a lot six. Who's his dominant number one receiver. That's not who he is. So I don't think this is a fit to the Chargers. I really don't. They moved off Bosi yesterday. They're gonna draft an end rusher. I think of hardball, I think of toughness. I think of O line, D line. I think of physicality. I think of risk taking. I don't think wide receiver. But it's not that I don't like DK Metcalf, but he is the most penalized receiver since he entered the league, and he doesn't get enough first downs. I like Goddard and Kittle and Puka, and who I really love is Amaran Saint Brown. Seventy three catches are first downs. I don't need four to two speed. That's awesome at the combine, I don't need it. When he was in his prime, Cooper Cup was a first down. You go to that Matt Stafford run to win the Super Bowl. Cooper Cup was a first down. That's what I'm into. Not forty million dollars a year, thirty one million dollar cap pits and really flashy and fast down the field. End of the year. I need to move the chains. I'm not getting sixty five yard rainbows, all right. J Mac had a big piece of meat last night, steak house night.

Is it not settling well in your stomach? Is that why you're you know, going after Jason jam best team in the NBA, defending champions, first Team Owl, NBA lock again and he's just just trashing him.

Is it not settling well in your stomach? Is that why you're you know, going after Jason jam best team in the NBA, defending champions, first Team Owl, NBA lock again and he's just just trashing him.

No.

No.

No, I'd like to say, once again, you didn't hear the compliment that the Boston Celtics are the nineteen seventies NBA. They're just better than all those teams. I go back to those Washington bullet teams, unselled Bobby Dandrich, Phil Scheneer, Kevin Greevy, Elvin Hayes. They were out. I can name the Sonics roster, the Blazers rosters, but they were all They had one really good player. Bill Walton was great before the injuries, but it was mostly roster construction. And then all of a sudden, Magic and Bird changed it. Then we became the dynasty League. People are in to have a dynasty league, you have to have a superstar. Last night, Tatum's out. They're now ten and two without him. There is no other superstar in league history that leaves and the organization wins.

No, I'd like to say, once again, you didn't hear the compliment that the Boston Celtics are the nineteen seventies NBA. They're just better than all those teams. I go back to those Washington bullet teams, unselled Bobby Dandrich, Phil Scheneer, Kevin Greevy, Elvin Hayes. They were out. I can name the Sonics roster, the Blazers rosters, but they were all They had one really good player. Bill Walton was great before the injuries, but it was mostly roster construction. And then all of a sudden, Magic and Bird changed it. Then we became the dynasty League. People are in to have a dynasty league, you have to have a superstar. Last night, Tatum's out. They're now ten and two without him. There is no other superstar in league history that leaves and the organization wins.

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That's roster construction. The star is Brad Stevens and Nanny Inge. Those are the stars of the They even changed coaches, they literally changed coaches, no effect.

That's roster construction. The star is Brad Stevens and Nanny Inge. Those are the stars of the They even changed coaches, they literally changed coaches, no effect.

Yeah, I wonder how Tatum keeps getting selected First Team All NBA. Like honestly, that means he's top two at his position forward in the league in an arrow with Lebron and KD.

Yeah, I wonder how Tatum keeps getting selected First Team All NBA. Like honestly, that means he's top two at his position forward in the league in an arrow with Lebron and KD.

And like you know, Yannis and Luca. Something. Something's giving him. Tatum a lot of props.

And like you know, Yannis and Luca. Something. Something's giving him. Tatum a lot of props.

By the way, Klay Thompson made a lot of made a lot of lists.

By the way, Klay Thompson made a lot of made a lot of lists.

He did.

He did.

Yeah, okay, he was good.

Yeah, okay, he was good.

Who was awesome?

Who was awesome?

Prome two way player? Awesome? Great? He was the best two guard two way two guard in the league for eight years, number two at least three or four? Yeah, well, I mean who was the second best?

Prome two way player? Awesome? Great? He was the best two guard two way two guard in the league for eight years, number two at least three or four? Yeah, well, I mean who was the second best?

The Wade it was when Wave kind of phased out and Clay took over.

The Wade it was when Wave kind of phased out and Clay took over.

For about seven years, he was the best guy in the league at his position. That fit everywhere. That's what Tatum is. Tatum is a great He can he can score, he can defend. He's a good guy. You know. The other thing is stars at some point are are they just take the ball and say talk to the hand. I mean, that's what they do that. I think Tatum sometimes is too nice and it's a great quality as a human. It's not necessarily a great quality to be a basketball superstar.

For about seven years, he was the best guy in the league at his position. That fit everywhere. That's what Tatum is. Tatum is a great He can he can score, he can defend. He's a good guy. You know. The other thing is stars at some point are are they just take the ball and say talk to the hand. I mean, that's what they do that. I think Tatum sometimes is too nice and it's a great quality as a human. It's not necessarily a great quality to be a basketball superstar.

Nice guys still finished last or is that like an antion thing.

Nice guys still finished last or is that like an antion thing.

No, that's a nice guys do fine, do they? But but they're not as good as Shack.

No, that's a nice guys do fine, do they? But but they're not as good as Shack.

I think you gotta be a kind of well I because sometimes.

I think you gotta be a kind of well I because sometimes.

You have to be selfish. Sometimes it's like, it's my ball, it's my team, Marcus Smart. Let's just know you gotta talk to him in the huddle. You will not touch the ball for four minutes. I need the ball. And by the way, that that's what you have to say. That's just what you have to But that's not what the Celtics are. I mean, good God, Holiday Tatum Porzingis out, Peyton Pritchard, he's good.

You have to be selfish. Sometimes it's like, it's my ball, it's my team, Marcus Smart. Let's just know you gotta talk to him in the huddle. You will not touch the ball for four minutes. I need the ball. And by the way, that that's what you have to say. That's just what you have to But that's not what the Celtics are. I mean, good God, Holiday Tatum Porzingis out, Peyton Pritchard, he's good.

Man might be the second best contract in the league after Austin Reeves.

Man might be the second best contract in the league after Austin Reeves.

They got a couple of them. Celtics have them. Derek White, he was from about three years Man.

They got a couple of them. Celtics have them. Derek White, he was from about three years Man.

They got a great team.

They got a great team.

No it is, it isn't all now. I would argue it's an all time The Celtics aren't good. It's an all time roster construction team. I mean the Heatles didn't have a center and a good point guard. They had three great players. Yeah, they were totally.

No it is, it isn't all now. I would argue it's an all time The Celtics aren't good. It's an all time roster construction team. I mean the Heatles didn't have a center and a good point guard. They had three great players. Yeah, they were totally.

Lobsided minimum contracts everywhere.

Lobsided minimum contracts everywhere.

I mean it was I mean the Lakers, it was Shaq, Kobe, you know, then some d fish. But there was holes. There are no holes on the Celtics. There are none. They defend the rim, the perimeter, they can defend on ball. They have no blemishes. Tatum's gone, They're ten and two. That is an all time roster we're looking at right now in the NBA. All right, Diana Russini top of next hour. Chris Brusard stopping by as well. Oh, I got I got I got more. Steph Curry Love more Steph Curry Love.

I mean it was I mean the Lakers, it was Shaq, Kobe, you know, then some d fish. But there was holes. There are no holes on the Celtics. There are none. They defend the rim, the perimeter, they can defend on ball. They have no blemishes. Tatum's gone, They're ten and two. That is an all time roster we're looking at right now in the NBA. All right, Diana Russini top of next hour. Chris Brusard stopping by as well. Oh, I got I got I got more. Steph Curry Love more Steph Curry Love.

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The Pistons, somebody sent me this. The all four Pistons that beat the Lakers similarly did not have a superstar, although it was Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace and Chauncey billups a Tayshaun Prince. I think the Celics are a better version of that, a much better offense. That Rip Hamilton was on that team as well. I think this team's better, But I would say this Celtics, those Pistons, you know, the Sonics, the Blazers, the Washington Bullets. At the time, it's just incredible. And the other thing is people say, well, how come he always makes all NBA. Remember the NBA came out with that sixty five game minimum to make awards. Tatum always plays sixty five games. You know, like sometimes is Lebron going to do that? Is Ad going to do that? Is Yanni's going to do that? Is is Luca going to do that? So Tatum's going to make the lists. That doesn't necessarily mean anybody thinks he's Jokic. But if you go look at Jokic, Stephen Giannis and Lebron when they're off, the team is noticeably worse. This team's ten and two without Tatum and scores eight more points a game. It shows you how unbelievably historic the Celtics roster is. I mean, I think Cleveland could win the championship in almost any other year in the last seven or eight. I just don't think they'll get through Boston. So I know Celtic fans think this is hate. It's like, no, this is the greatest non superstar team ever. You just keep telling me Tatum's a superstar, and I'm just telling you he's a star. He and Jalen Brown are Tatum's better. It's close. So I love this the other day, Shack came on after Steph went into the garden and uh, you know, rocked another one. Just a great night, and Shaq came on the air and giving the ultimate respect to Steph Curry.

The Pistons, somebody sent me this. The all four Pistons that beat the Lakers similarly did not have a superstar, although it was Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace and Chauncey billups a Tayshaun Prince. I think the Celics are a better version of that, a much better offense. That Rip Hamilton was on that team as well. I think this team's better, But I would say this Celtics, those Pistons, you know, the Sonics, the Blazers, the Washington Bullets. At the time, it's just incredible. And the other thing is people say, well, how come he always makes all NBA. Remember the NBA came out with that sixty five game minimum to make awards. Tatum always plays sixty five games. You know, like sometimes is Lebron going to do that? Is Ad going to do that? Is Yanni's going to do that? Is is Luca going to do that? So Tatum's going to make the lists. That doesn't necessarily mean anybody thinks he's Jokic. But if you go look at Jokic, Stephen Giannis and Lebron when they're off, the team is noticeably worse. This team's ten and two without Tatum and scores eight more points a game. It shows you how unbelievably historic the Celtics roster is. I mean, I think Cleveland could win the championship in almost any other year in the last seven or eight. I just don't think they'll get through Boston. So I know Celtic fans think this is hate. It's like, no, this is the greatest non superstar team ever. You just keep telling me Tatum's a superstar, and I'm just telling you he's a star. He and Jalen Brown are Tatum's better. It's close. So I love this the other day, Shack came on after Steph went into the garden and uh, you know, rocked another one. Just a great night, and Shaq came on the air and giving the ultimate respect to Steph Curry.

I demand you, fans and start putting Steph Curry in that greatest of all time conversation. Just just start putting them in a conversation with the conversation Kobe, and start putting stuff in that conversation. I demand it.

I demand you, fans and start putting Steph Curry in that greatest of all time conversation. Just just start putting them in a conversation with the conversation Kobe, and start putting stuff in that conversation. I demand it.

Why does the Big Man Alliance need to say something.

Why does the Big Man Alliance need to say something.

Because I am the supreme leader in manvoyce counts. Listen, I played against Mike, played with Kobe, played against An with Lebron. All great, but you go, at some point we're gonna have to put Steph Curry in that category.

Because I am the supreme leader in manvoyce counts. Listen, I played against Mike, played with Kobe, played against An with Lebron. All great, but you go, at some point we're gonna have to put Steph Curry in that category.

I think the greatest compliment about Steph Curry that I could pay him is, I think you have to consider replacing Magic Johnson on the all time starting five. I'm not saying you do it, you gotta consider it. Now. We all know Kareem, Lebron, and mj those are etched in stone. Kareem most unstoppable shot, Michael the most relentless, greatest player, and Lebron the greatest Swiss army knife. We can argue about forwards, Duncan Bird, whatever you want, but we have three etched in stone. I always thought it was four. I always thought Magic was etched in stone. But if you look one of the reasons that Lebron and you know it would wear well because Lebron would be good fifty years ago, good, ten years ago, good today, good twenty years ago. Lebron's everything. I don't think Magic he would be great today, but I don't think his game ages as well. I think Larry Bird's game ages better than Magic's because of the three ball. I think Larry Bird today would be I mean, what would he be. He would be Luca. I mean he would be Luca in better shape. That would be Larry Bird. He would be unbelievable past, unbelievable score, not a great defender, but he'd be Luke in better shape. You couldn't stop him. He'd score whatever you want. He would score forty points regularly. He could score fifty if you wanted to. Bird ages very well. Magic's not a shooter and it's a shooters league. That's why I don't like the Houston Rockets in the playoffs. They can't shoot. I don't want to hear about their athletes. They can't shoot. And so but if you've never seen Steph play, he'd never seen him play. Here is think about this. This is how you would describe his game. He scores faster than any human being ever. Like remember when Reggie Miller got like eight points and nine seconds. That's Steph's entire career. He scores faster than anybody. So he changed. I mean, Magic Johnson may have saved the NBA, but Steph Curry revolutionized not only the NBA, international, high school, AU and college basketball. Here's Steve Kerr talking about his best player.

I think the greatest compliment about Steph Curry that I could pay him is, I think you have to consider replacing Magic Johnson on the all time starting five. I'm not saying you do it, you gotta consider it. Now. We all know Kareem, Lebron, and mj those are etched in stone. Kareem most unstoppable shot, Michael the most relentless, greatest player, and Lebron the greatest Swiss army knife. We can argue about forwards, Duncan Bird, whatever you want, but we have three etched in stone. I always thought it was four. I always thought Magic was etched in stone. But if you look one of the reasons that Lebron and you know it would wear well because Lebron would be good fifty years ago, good, ten years ago, good today, good twenty years ago. Lebron's everything. I don't think Magic he would be great today, but I don't think his game ages as well. I think Larry Bird's game ages better than Magic's because of the three ball. I think Larry Bird today would be I mean, what would he be. He would be Luca. I mean he would be Luca in better shape. That would be Larry Bird. He would be unbelievable past, unbelievable score, not a great defender, but he'd be Luke in better shape. You couldn't stop him. He'd score whatever you want. He would score forty points regularly. He could score fifty if you wanted to. Bird ages very well. Magic's not a shooter and it's a shooters league. That's why I don't like the Houston Rockets in the playoffs. They can't shoot. I don't want to hear about their athletes. They can't shoot. And so but if you've never seen Steph play, he'd never seen him play. Here is think about this. This is how you would describe his game. He scores faster than any human being ever. Like remember when Reggie Miller got like eight points and nine seconds. That's Steph's entire career. He scores faster than anybody. So he changed. I mean, Magic Johnson may have saved the NBA, but Steph Curry revolutionized not only the NBA, international, high school, AU and college basketball. Here's Steve Kerr talking about his best player.

Steph is the most unique superstar of all time. The way he impacts the game is different. And so when you have these conversations about who's the greatest ever, you know, you automatically go to these uh you know his genetic marvels. You know Lebron and UH and Michael Jordan and you know will Chang on whoever else. Steph doesn't fit that normal mode. So I love that Shaq is bringing that up because from a skill standpoint, it's not even close. He's he is the greatest ever. From a skills standpoint.

Steph is the most unique superstar of all time. The way he impacts the game is different. And so when you have these conversations about who's the greatest ever, you know, you automatically go to these uh you know his genetic marvels. You know Lebron and UH and Michael Jordan and you know will Chang on whoever else. Steph doesn't fit that normal mode. So I love that Shaq is bringing that up because from a skill standpoint, it's not even close. He's he is the greatest ever. From a skills standpoint.

Yeah, and I just love that he's enduring and that he just he was sort of on a treadmill to nowhere. They gave him Jimmy Butler. He has just said, I'm my average, I'm I'm gonna take I'm gonna take one more shot a game and average six and a half more points a game since Jimmy Butler, Rye. That tells you he just needed he needed a push, he needed a buddy to show off to, and he's back to being all time stuff.

Yeah, and I just love that he's enduring and that he just he was sort of on a treadmill to nowhere. They gave him Jimmy Butler. He has just said, I'm my average, I'm I'm gonna take I'm gonna take one more shot a game and average six and a half more points a game since Jimmy Butler, Rye. That tells you he just needed he needed a push, he needed a buddy to show off to, and he's back to being all time stuff.

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Cano and Rich, Oh welcome in kind of Excited to watch on TV. J Mack will be watching live Nick Lakers tonight. Lakers start a very tough, tough, tough like seven game stretch.

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Austin Reeves, Mago, karl Ane Towon's expected back Lakers first quarters, the Lakers minus one.

Austin Reeves, Mago, karl Ane Towon's expected back Lakers first quarters, the Lakers minus one.

You gonna hit that? No, it feels like a trap because you've.

You gonna hit that? No, it feels like a trap because you've.

Bet a lot more basketball than I do.

Bet a lot more basketball than I do.

College hoops last night, nice little two and one? Yeah, had ole miss.

College hoops last night, nice little two and one? Yeah, had ole miss.

How about this? Keeping your eye? You know what I want for a final four in college basketball? Duke better there, Tom Izzoh Michigan State is Oh Muchigan State's good.

How about this? Keeping your eye? You know what I want for a final four in college basketball? Duke better there, Tom Izzoh Michigan State is Oh Muchigan State's good.

I'm on Iowa to night.

I'm on Iowa to night.

Okay, Michigan State's good. I want Tom Izzo, Rick Mattino, Duke and Cooper Flag and then the best SEC team. If that's the final four, I would vote for it. Now. Michigan State, this is a really good team.

Okay, Michigan State's good. I want Tom Izzo, Rick Mattino, Duke and Cooper Flag and then the best SEC team. If that's the final four, I would vote for it. Now. Michigan State, this is a really good team.

They got some good dudes.

They got some good dudes.

But if I get Izzo and Rick Bettino, two fiery guys.

But if I get Izzo and Rick Bettino, two fiery guys.

You like Patino because of the white suits, No.

You like Patino because of the white suits, No.

I just I think Rick is intense. Izzo's intense. I like these old school you know, get in your face, get in the player's face, get in the officials face. I love Izzo, I love Fatino, and they're great coaches. And then give me Duke and Cooper Flag, the best player easily in college basketball. Then give me Auburn.

I just I think Rick is intense. Izzo's intense. I like these old school you know, get in your face, get in the player's face, get in the officials face. I love Izzo, I love Fatino, and they're great coaches. And then give me Duke and Cooper Flag, the best player easily in college basketball. Then give me Auburn.

Do you need more of that fire from me? Or am I like?

Do you need more of that fire from me? Or am I like?

No, you're doing okay, demeanor. I don't need a white suit. No, you're doing fine. But I do think that you remember the NBA Draft. This year is very domestic. It's Rutgers guys, it's Duke guys. It's a like last year. I've never seen anybody play this year. It's like the WNBA draft, like you're gonna see domestic players that you watch big ten sec. I think Auburn's the best team i've seen. Bruce Pearl's excellent. I think I think that's a great team. But if you can give me Cooper Flag, I mean, Duke's got like three NBA dudes, at least three.

No, you're doing okay, demeanor. I don't need a white suit. No, you're doing fine. But I do think that you remember the NBA Draft. This year is very domestic. It's Rutgers guys, it's Duke guys. It's a like last year. I've never seen anybody play this year. It's like the WNBA draft, like you're gonna see domestic players that you watch big ten sec. I think Auburn's the best team i've seen. Bruce Pearl's excellent. I think I think that's a great team. But if you can give me Cooper Flag, I mean, Duke's got like three NBA dudes, at least three.

By the way, you mentioned WNBA.

By the way, you mentioned WNBA.

Did you see Caitlin Clark's team got like a a bunch of good players in the offseason. I know you're not monitoring WNBA, but Caitlin Clark and I did, I want the fever. They got some good players. They are, They're gonna be a problem this year. Would not be surprised if they make a run to the finals.

Did you see Caitlin Clark's team got like a a bunch of good players in the offseason. I know you're not monitoring WNBA, but Caitlin Clark and I did, I want the fever. They got some good players. They are, They're gonna be a problem this year. Would not be surprised if they make a run to the finals.

Caitlyn Clark, I'm excited.

Caitlyn Clark, I'm excited.

For you too. I don't know you and I talked about this. We are in the content business. Caitlin Clark gives us fifteen segments in July and August. We are pro Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese WNBA. We're looking for segments in August. I can't talk Steeler quarterback situations. I mean I got I went Kenny Pickett August once. That was a rough that was a rough summary with that. Diana Russini, the Athletic senior NFL Insider, also got a cool podcast out there, breaking news all the time. All right, why don't you give your podcast a plug?

For you too. I don't know you and I talked about this. We are in the content business. Caitlin Clark gives us fifteen segments in July and August. We are pro Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese WNBA. We're looking for segments in August. I can't talk Steeler quarterback situations. I mean I got I went Kenny Pickett August once. That was a rough that was a rough summary with that. Diana Russini, the Athletic senior NFL Insider, also got a cool podcast out there, breaking news all the time. All right, why don't you give your podcast a plug?

Right now?

Right now?

Give it up, Give it up, plug Let America Hero, go ahead.

Give it up, Give it up, plug Let America Hero, go ahead.

How about you?

How about you?

All right?

All right?

I got it twice a week podcast.

I got it twice a week podcast.

We're gonna have a big show on Monday to start a free agencies called Scoop City.

We're gonna have a big show on Monday to start a free agencies called Scoop City.

You can get it anywhere.

You can get it anywhere.

On Spotify, Apple, iTunes, anywhere at the Athletic you can click and find it. And it's essentially me and Chase Daniel, a fourteen year veteran, and it's me and him. I give him all the intel and then he tells me what the real deal is based off the information I tell him. It's a quick listen forty five minutes. You can run errands, get get the things done around your house and pretty much listen to one show and know everything you need to know.

On Spotify, Apple, iTunes, anywhere at the Athletic you can click and find it. And it's essentially me and Chase Daniel, a fourteen year veteran, and it's me and him. I give him all the intel and then he tells me what the real deal is based off the information I tell him. It's a quick listen forty five minutes. You can run errands, get get the things done around your house and pretty much listen to one show and know everything you need to know.

About the league.

About the league.

All right, there you go, and it's good.

All right, there you go, and it's good.

Wow, thank you. I was not ready for that. Did I do all right? Selling it?

Wow, thank you. I was not ready for that. Did I do all right? Selling it?

You did a great job. So DK Metcalf middle of our show yesterday. I like him, but I've said this before. It could be AJ Brown DK Metcalf. It is the position, for whatever reasons, that tends to be the most verbal, and sometimes that can be verbal slash disruptive. I don't think DK Metcalf is disruptive, but last year thirty five catches were first downs armor on Saint round double. He also gets penalized a lot, leads the league in penalty yards as a receiver since he entered it. A lot of that's temperamental would move off him. But he's thirty one million. I think maybe you get a second or third round pick. Just give me the backstory on this. John Snyder has been great at drafting wide receivers, so they'll be fine. But give me the DK market story. What are you hearing?

You did a great job. So DK Metcalf middle of our show yesterday. I like him, but I've said this before. It could be AJ Brown DK Metcalf. It is the position, for whatever reasons, that tends to be the most verbal, and sometimes that can be verbal slash disruptive. I don't think DK Metcalf is disruptive, but last year thirty five catches were first downs armor on Saint round double. He also gets penalized a lot, leads the league in penalty yards as a receiver since he entered it. A lot of that's temperamental would move off him. But he's thirty one million. I think maybe you get a second or third round pick. Just give me the backstory on this. John Snyder has been great at drafting wide receivers, so they'll be fine. But give me the DK market story. What are you hearing?

Yeah, so right now, teams that are interested in DK, they've reached out to Seattle and they're being told right now that the compensation they're looking for is a first and third in exchange for the wide receiver.

Yeah, so right now, teams that are interested in DK, they've reached out to Seattle and they're being told right now that the compensation they're looking for is a first and third in exchange for the wide receiver.

So that is very, very high.

So that is very, very high.

Let's just go back to the Aj Brown trade between the Tennessee Titans and the Philadelphia Eagles, right, That's basically what we're talking about here, and I think we can all fairly say they are not the same player, and obviously a few years have gone by since then. So look, a lot of teams that I've talked to around the league that definitely had their eye on Seattle over the last few weeks, knowing that they could possibly be moving on.

Let's just go back to the Aj Brown trade between the Tennessee Titans and the Philadelphia Eagles, right, That's basically what we're talking about here, and I think we can all fairly say they are not the same player, and obviously a few years have gone by since then. So look, a lot of teams that I've talked to around the league that definitely had their eye on Seattle over the last few weeks, knowing that they could possibly be moving on.

Just feel that that price is just it's too high. Yeah, So I'm I'm.

Just feel that that price is just it's too high. Yeah, So I'm I'm.

Going to predict that's going to change here soon as they're testing out the market to see, like, all right, we try to get our best, but that's probably gonna be too much. DK wants a new deal. He wants about thirty million a year. And I do agree with you on how you are categorizing receivers in football. They are loud, and they tend to be the ones with the most personality and sometimes the ones.

Going to predict that's going to change here soon as they're testing out the market to see, like, all right, we try to get our best, but that's probably gonna be too much. DK wants a new deal. He wants about thirty million a year. And I do agree with you on how you are categorizing receivers in football. They are loud, and they tend to be the ones with the most personality and sometimes the ones.

Causing the biggest headaches.

Causing the biggest headaches.

But when you look at a player like DK, he's still a big guy.

But when you look at a player like DK, he's still a big guy.

He's really good off the ball.

He's really good off the ball.

He obviously he's come up with some really big catches, And when you're taking a look at just this free agent market of wide receivers, it's not great. So I can see why there are teams poking around to try to see if they can get Seattle to move off this number here, at least off a first round pick in exchange. Knowing that, Look, he could go to a team and quickly make a difference. But I do think he's going to need a team with a strong head coach. I was told he wants to go to a warm weather organization. Think that cuts it down to some of the teams here that we're talking about that would be interested.

He obviously he's come up with some really big catches, And when you're taking a look at just this free agent market of wide receivers, it's not great. So I can see why there are teams poking around to try to see if they can get Seattle to move off this number here, at least off a first round pick in exchange. Knowing that, Look, he could go to a team and quickly make a difference. But I do think he's going to need a team with a strong head coach. I was told he wants to go to a warm weather organization. Think that cuts it down to some of the teams here that we're talking about that would be interested.

And then you too.

And then you too.

I mean, Colin, just look around the league. Every team that needs a receiver right now, you know what comes to mind. The Panthers, Jacksonville, the New England, Patriots, Houston, the Chargers. For now, I can tell you none of those teams are going to pay that price, none of them. I've reached out to all of them. They're not going to do it, but they certainly still have interest.

I mean, Colin, just look around the league. Every team that needs a receiver right now, you know what comes to mind. The Panthers, Jacksonville, the New England, Patriots, Houston, the Chargers. For now, I can tell you none of those teams are going to pay that price, none of them. I've reached out to all of them. They're not going to do it, but they certainly still have interest.

I thought an interesting story. I love what the Bears did. This is what Washington did last year before Jayden and Daniels took an NFL snap, They went and got a couple of interior linemen. And this is what the Bears did. Jonah Jackson, I get the Rams moving off that, but he's got a lot of experience. I was surprised, considering that Mahomes was in peril and running for his life in big games last year that they moved off Joe Tooney, who did one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. They've took a guard, put him at left tackle and was actually excellent. What we know, the Bears probably did a really good thing here what happened in Kansas City? Like, I guess, why do they move off him?

I thought an interesting story. I love what the Bears did. This is what Washington did last year before Jayden and Daniels took an NFL snap, They went and got a couple of interior linemen. And this is what the Bears did. Jonah Jackson, I get the Rams moving off that, but he's got a lot of experience. I was surprised, considering that Mahomes was in peril and running for his life in big games last year that they moved off Joe Tooney, who did one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. They've took a guard, put him at left tackle and was actually excellent. What we know, the Bears probably did a really good thing here what happened in Kansas City? Like, I guess, why do they move off him?

No, it's a great point you make.

No, it's a great point you make.

I reported right after the Super Bowl after talking with some people in Kansas City after their loss, Like, make no mistake, Brett Veach is going to fix this. This is going to be priority number one protecting Patrick Mahomes. This looked exactly the way he did in Tampa. We saw what he did then and here in this situation, whenever I see them move off a player that I believe, just from my own eyes, contribute so much more than just what we're seeing on the field, what it says to me is we're making moves for someone else. We've got our eye on someone that we think is either younger, cheaper, and I can tell you they've got a plan because Kansas City tends to do that and which is why they have so much success. So well, I think it's difficult for them to walk away from a player like this who has brought so much success to them and has been part of the fabric of this team.

I reported right after the Super Bowl after talking with some people in Kansas City after their loss, Like, make no mistake, Brett Veach is going to fix this. This is going to be priority number one protecting Patrick Mahomes. This looked exactly the way he did in Tampa. We saw what he did then and here in this situation, whenever I see them move off a player that I believe, just from my own eyes, contribute so much more than just what we're seeing on the field, what it says to me is we're making moves for someone else. We've got our eye on someone that we think is either younger, cheaper, and I can tell you they've got a plan because Kansas City tends to do that and which is why they have so much success. So well, I think it's difficult for them to walk away from a player like this who has brought so much success to them and has been part of the fabric of this team.

I think in.

I think in.

Their minds there are players that they can bring in here and immediately have a good impact here. And then obviously on the other side of this for Chicago, I mean, come on, Ben Johnson's just doing what he saw in Detroit and what he did in Detroit. Get some protection and I can run whatever the heck I want to run.

Their minds there are players that they can bring in here and immediately have a good impact here. And then obviously on the other side of this for Chicago, I mean, come on, Ben Johnson's just doing what he saw in Detroit and what he did in Detroit. Get some protection and I can run whatever the heck I want to run.

Right, So he's going to be able to do that and address it.

Right, So he's going to be able to do that and address it.

And look, we can just keep going back to the Super Bowl as just like the perfect example of how you want to build a team. Credit to Howie Roseman and the coaching by Nick Surianni in that game. Right, the way they built that team, that championship roster is how a lot of teams are trying to replicate. And as not a secret, we've all known that that's the way to do it, except I think this team truly highlighted that importance.

And look, we can just keep going back to the Super Bowl as just like the perfect example of how you want to build a team. Credit to Howie Roseman and the coaching by Nick Surianni in that game. Right, the way they built that team, that championship roster is how a lot of teams are trying to replicate. And as not a secret, we've all known that that's the way to do it, except I think this team truly highlighted that importance.

Okay, so it's not a good free agent quarterback market. It's not a good quarterback college market, So Sam Darnold, it would seem to me would have a pretty viable market.

Okay, so it's not a good free agent quarterback market. It's not a good quarterback college market, So Sam Darnold, it would seem to me would have a pretty viable market.

Now.

Now.

I said this the other day Josh Allen was MVP. I watched them go nine for thirty against Houston. I watched him be awful against the Colts. Great quarterbacks have awful games. If the production is down, you're on the road. I mean, Donald at Detroit it felt like the biggest game in Detroit in a decade. But were those last two games, the one against the Rams where he was running for his life and the game against Detroit where he just didn't play well? Are those going to eliminate the first fourteen games Because it doesn't feel like there's a huge Donald market.

I said this the other day Josh Allen was MVP. I watched them go nine for thirty against Houston. I watched him be awful against the Colts. Great quarterbacks have awful games. If the production is down, you're on the road. I mean, Donald at Detroit it felt like the biggest game in Detroit in a decade. But were those last two games, the one against the Rams where he was running for his life and the game against Detroit where he just didn't play well? Are those going to eliminate the first fourteen games Because it doesn't feel like there's a huge Donald market.

I know it's it's peculiar. And I've had conversations with people that are desperate for quarterbacks right now. And there's something about the way he lost those two games that is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of these decision makers.

I know it's it's peculiar. And I've had conversations with people that are desperate for quarterbacks right now. And there's something about the way he lost those two games that is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of these decision makers.

And I do think it's layered.

And I do think it's layered.

Okay, I think part of it is there's an attitude of CEE, we told you Donald isn't that good.

Okay, I think part of it is there's an attitude of CEE, we told you Donald isn't that good.

That was just lightning the bottle.

That was just lightning the bottle.

Things just lined up right, you know, they were winning in certain games because of certain situations. This isn't the real Sam Donald. We're just getting the best version of him in this moment. This isn't the true Okay, So you have that. Then you have another layer to this where people believe that Kevin O'Connell is the best coach for Sam Donald. So if you're a coach who, let's says, on a short lease leash and you're selling to your owner and your GM like let's go get Sam, I can do it, there may be some hesitance there. Can you get the same Sam Donald that Kevin O'Connell was able to get? You know, this idea that no one truly knows who Sam Donald is. I feel like has been following him his entire career, going back to when he was throwing at SC and I had people on the ground telling me Sam Donald is going to be the next big thing. And those same people that I would stay in touch with over the years when Sam was struggling, would would be so frustrated because they would be like, you don't understand, he's good. This just these aren't the right programs for him. And so in Minnesota it's the best program for him. Which is why I think there's gonna be an effort made from both Donald's camp and from the Vikings camp to try to make something work here.

Things just lined up right, you know, they were winning in certain games because of certain situations. This isn't the real Sam Donald. We're just getting the best version of him in this moment. This isn't the true Okay, So you have that. Then you have another layer to this where people believe that Kevin O'Connell is the best coach for Sam Donald. So if you're a coach who, let's says, on a short lease leash and you're selling to your owner and your GM like let's go get Sam, I can do it, there may be some hesitance there. Can you get the same Sam Donald that Kevin O'Connell was able to get? You know, this idea that no one truly knows who Sam Donald is. I feel like has been following him his entire career, going back to when he was throwing at SC and I had people on the ground telling me Sam Donald is going to be the next big thing. And those same people that I would stay in touch with over the years when Sam was struggling, would would be so frustrated because they would be like, you don't understand, he's good. This just these aren't the right programs for him. And so in Minnesota it's the best program for him. Which is why I think there's gonna be an effort made from both Donald's camp and from the Vikings camp to try to make something work here.

But come you're right. I talked to you at the Super Bowl.

But come you're right. I talked to you at the Super Bowl.

I think one of the things I shared with you is I was really expecting Sam's market to be in the forties. I do not predict it to be that. I think it's going to be less than that. I think it's going to be in the low thirties, possibly maybe even high twenties, if Minnesota can get the kind of deal that they want to get. But it is certainly changed considering last week we were chasing the Matthew Stafford story like a bunch of lunatics, knowing that these teams were so desperate to get Stafford in the building, being the Vegas Raiders the New York Giants, they are not going aggressively hard at Sam Donald the way they were going after Matthew Stafford, understandably.

I think one of the things I shared with you is I was really expecting Sam's market to be in the forties. I do not predict it to be that. I think it's going to be less than that. I think it's going to be in the low thirties, possibly maybe even high twenties, if Minnesota can get the kind of deal that they want to get. But it is certainly changed considering last week we were chasing the Matthew Stafford story like a bunch of lunatics, knowing that these teams were so desperate to get Stafford in the building, being the Vegas Raiders the New York Giants, they are not going aggressively hard at Sam Donald the way they were going after Matthew Stafford, understandably.

You know, it's the same thing with movies. Great movie, lowsy, twelve minutes at the end, you think it's a bad movie. Donald had a lowsy couple of games, and it's just like, you know, Josh Alan had a bad game. It's against Houston. Nobody remembers it, and that's just the way it is. Sometimes. Timing is everything now, So I would argue on the behalf of Aaron Rodgers, who I have been critical of before. So when they fired Ebert Saw in New York, they lost their best coach. In my opinion, I think Soligan coach. I'd give him another chance at the head coaching job. Jets a mess, and I thought they had a very weak staff that point forward, and yet in the last ten games, without great protection, Aaron was pretty good. So again, like Darnold, I think the pendulum has swung too far on Aaron Rodgers. If I was the Raiders, I would take him today. I don't get this it appears now. Is this an Aaron thing? You can't his last ten games he almost had one hundred quarterback rating and it was a suboptimal staff. So what's going on with Aaron?

You know, it's the same thing with movies. Great movie, lowsy, twelve minutes at the end, you think it's a bad movie. Donald had a lowsy couple of games, and it's just like, you know, Josh Alan had a bad game. It's against Houston. Nobody remembers it, and that's just the way it is. Sometimes. Timing is everything now, So I would argue on the behalf of Aaron Rodgers, who I have been critical of before. So when they fired Ebert Saw in New York, they lost their best coach. In my opinion, I think Soligan coach. I'd give him another chance at the head coaching job. Jets a mess, and I thought they had a very weak staff that point forward, and yet in the last ten games, without great protection, Aaron was pretty good. So again, like Darnold, I think the pendulum has swung too far on Aaron Rodgers. If I was the Raiders, I would take him today. I don't get this it appears now. Is this an Aaron thing? You can't his last ten games he almost had one hundred quarterback rating and it was a suboptimal staff. So what's going on with Aaron?

What's going on with us? Why are we starting to agree? I need to go on Nick Wright's show. I need to fight with someone a debate. We're in line too. What does that say about my life right now? That I'm in line with you? On all this stuff because I agree. I just was talking about it on my podcast that you know, my co host chased, how do you think Giants fans should feel about the idea of Aaron Rodgers playing for the Giants?

What's going on with us? Why are we starting to agree? I need to go on Nick Wright's show. I need to fight with someone a debate. We're in line too. What does that say about my life right now? That I'm in line with you? On all this stuff because I agree. I just was talking about it on my podcast that you know, my co host chased, how do you think Giants fans should feel about the idea of Aaron Rodgers playing for the Giants?

And I said they should feel the way the Jets fans felt.

And I said they should feel the way the Jets fans felt.

Two years ago, optimistic, because I can tell you I've spoken to enough people around the league who believe that Aaron Rodgers still has something left in the tank and it's decent. And put him in the right environment with the right head coach who can be a little bit more demanding and hold him to the same type of rules and standards and the way they wanted to run, you know, treat him like everyone else. I think we can get that they could squeeze a little bit of the of the juice out of them. It's just going to be where is he going to flourish best? The Rams situation was so ideal, Colin, and I really I thought that I.

Two years ago, optimistic, because I can tell you I've spoken to enough people around the league who believe that Aaron Rodgers still has something left in the tank and it's decent. And put him in the right environment with the right head coach who can be a little bit more demanding and hold him to the same type of rules and standards and the way they wanted to run, you know, treat him like everyone else. I think we can get that they could squeeze a little bit of the of the juice out of them. It's just going to be where is he going to flourish best? The Rams situation was so ideal, Colin, and I really I thought that I.

Thought it was gonna happen.

Thought it was gonna happen.

At one point when I was in Indianapolis at the Scouting con my last week, I said that this is this is really gonna happen. Matthew Safford's gonna leave and Rogers is going to go there. But in the end, obviously Stafford decided to stick with Sean McVay for another year, and the Raiders are going to poke around. Here's what I can tell you when when we're like lining teams up with veteran quarterbacks, every team that needs a quarterback right now has a line out to every single available veteran quarterback at this moment, because right now, no one can read the landscape well because we don't know who's going where. You know, the idea of Daniel Jones going to India's on the table. Could he possibly go to Vegas? Right chick Kelly, you know he's going to want a mobile quarterback. Could could justin Fields leave Pittsburgh. Perhaps he can wind up in Vegas. Maybe the Russell Wilson thing could perhaps turn into him going to Las Vegas. All of this is on the table, and the teams are being really open about it.

At one point when I was in Indianapolis at the Scouting con my last week, I said that this is this is really gonna happen. Matthew Safford's gonna leave and Rogers is going to go there. But in the end, obviously Stafford decided to stick with Sean McVay for another year, and the Raiders are going to poke around. Here's what I can tell you when when we're like lining teams up with veteran quarterbacks, every team that needs a quarterback right now has a line out to every single available veteran quarterback at this moment, because right now, no one can read the landscape well because we don't know who's going where. You know, the idea of Daniel Jones going to India's on the table. Could he possibly go to Vegas? Right chick Kelly, you know he's going to want a mobile quarterback. Could could justin Fields leave Pittsburgh. Perhaps he can wind up in Vegas. Maybe the Russell Wilson thing could perhaps turn into him going to Las Vegas. All of this is on the table, and the teams are being really open about it.

No one's being coy like we got our eye on just one guy.

No one's being coy like we got our eye on just one guy.

Everyone is saying the same things, which we've got to reach out to everyone because we have no idea how this is going to shake.

Everyone is saying the same things, which we've got to reach out to everyone because we have no idea how this is going to shake.

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Diana Russini as oh was absolute money. It is great seeing you. You and Chase are great on Scoop City, and thank you again for stopping Buy