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Oh we got a Tuesday show. Can it be as good as the Monday show? Urban Meyer's gonna stop by to talk about all those big ten players at the top of the round one. Nick Wright, Jordan Schultz stops by as well, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. So yesterday was wild. It was nuts, a lot of guys getting overpaid, a lot of quarterbacks who aren't gonna translate the wins, changing teams, musical quarterback j Mac Yesterday we predicted it before the show.

Oh we got a Tuesday show. Can it be as good as the Monday show? Urban Meyer's gonna stop by to talk about all those big ten players at the top of the round one. Nick Wright, Jordan Schultz stops by as well, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. So yesterday was wild. It was nuts, a lot of guys getting overpaid, a lot of quarterbacks who aren't gonna translate the wins, changing teams, musical quarterback j Mac Yesterday we predicted it before the show.

We said, this is one of.

We said, this is one of.

The days that we absolutely love, and it turned into a wild day. We're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers that shoot to drop Pittsburgh Steelers out there.

The days that we absolutely love, and it turned into a wild day. We're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers that shoot to drop Pittsburgh Steelers out there.

Does it kind of feel like, you know, when you're at recess dividing up teams and that somebody's got to be the last pick, and it feels like Aaron Rodgers is the last pick right here.

Does it kind of feel like, you know, when you're at recess dividing up teams and that somebody's got to be the last pick, and it feels like Aaron Rodgers is the last pick right here.

Well, let's talk about teams.

Well, let's talk about teams.

So San Francisco's had a great six year run before this past year. So San Francisco yesterday and over the last couple of days has done what's very hard to do. They walked away from really really good players and acknowledged, yeah, we worked really hard. We got to a bunch of Super Bowls and NFA championships. We didn't get a trophy and we're not going to get one with this group. So they let good players go. Kyle Uschek's been a Pro bowler eight years, Green Law the linebacker, wore the corner, Aaron Banks, who funged the safety, Deebo Samuel. He just said, listen, we had a stack roster. We got close a bunch, we didn't win. I would have done this last season. I said going into this year, the Cowboys and the Niners regression was going to begin, and they have both absolutely peaked. So I think they did it a year late, and I think one year from now they have twelve draft picks. This year San Francisco does, and I think next year at this time, Trent Williams, Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, maybe Fred Warner are in this same space that these guys they.

So San Francisco's had a great six year run before this past year. So San Francisco yesterday and over the last couple of days has done what's very hard to do. They walked away from really really good players and acknowledged, yeah, we worked really hard. We got to a bunch of Super Bowls and NFA championships. We didn't get a trophy and we're not going to get one with this group. So they let good players go. Kyle Uschek's been a Pro bowler eight years, Green Law the linebacker, wore the corner, Aaron Banks, who funged the safety, Deebo Samuel. He just said, listen, we had a stack roster. We got close a bunch, we didn't win. I would have done this last season. I said going into this year, the Cowboys and the Niners regression was going to begin, and they have both absolutely peaked. So I think they did it a year late, and I think one year from now they have twelve draft picks. This year San Francisco does, and I think next year at this time, Trent Williams, Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, maybe Fred Warner are in this same space that these guys they.

All let go are in.

All let go are in.

They got bloated, they got loose in negotiations, and the Los Angeles Rams their primary rival, running a tighter ship sailed by him. I think signing Debo and Brandon Ayyuke to big deals is a mistake and they would acknowledge it now. Both guys are talented, but a lot of injuries and they're you know, they're chatty. The moral to the San Francisco story so it's the more old of this. Great quarterbacks win Super Bowls. You can have a very good head coach Kyle Shanahan. You can have a great roster last five or six years San Francisco, and you're gonna come up empty. The Rams, it's different. Rams had a two time Pro Bowl quarterback in Jared Goff, a quarterback that got to the Super Bowl, Jared Goff, and they did not settle. That's why the Brock Prety negotiations are vital Garoppolo, not great, one pass, win, a Super Bowl, missed, Brock pretty smaller, injured a couple times, not great in inclement weather, which you often get in December and January. So the six year run, no trophy, a lot of Super Bowls, conference championship games, stack roster, great coach, but just good at quarterback. So and that, to me, that's the oral of the story. And I think San Francisco there's another opportunity here that they're gonna settle at quarterback for the last guy picked in the seventh round. Not big, not super mobile, not huge arm, more than capable. But I think they fall in love with Kyle Shanahan's coaching. McVeigh is everybody as good as Kyle Shanahan, and he won't settle at quarterback. Andy Reid is better than Shanahan the coach, and he upgraded from a Pro Bowl quarterback, Alex Smith.

They got bloated, they got loose in negotiations, and the Los Angeles Rams their primary rival, running a tighter ship sailed by him. I think signing Debo and Brandon Ayyuke to big deals is a mistake and they would acknowledge it now. Both guys are talented, but a lot of injuries and they're you know, they're chatty. The moral to the San Francisco story so it's the more old of this. Great quarterbacks win Super Bowls. You can have a very good head coach Kyle Shanahan. You can have a great roster last five or six years San Francisco, and you're gonna come up empty. The Rams, it's different. Rams had a two time Pro Bowl quarterback in Jared Goff, a quarterback that got to the Super Bowl, Jared Goff, and they did not settle. That's why the Brock Prety negotiations are vital Garoppolo, not great, one pass, win, a Super Bowl, missed, Brock pretty smaller, injured a couple times, not great in inclement weather, which you often get in December and January. So the six year run, no trophy, a lot of Super Bowls, conference championship games, stack roster, great coach, but just good at quarterback. So and that, to me, that's the oral of the story. And I think San Francisco there's another opportunity here that they're gonna settle at quarterback for the last guy picked in the seventh round. Not big, not super mobile, not huge arm, more than capable. But I think they fall in love with Kyle Shanahan's coaching. McVeigh is everybody as good as Kyle Shanahan, and he won't settle at quarterback. Andy Reid is better than Shanahan the coach, and he upgraded from a Pro Bowl quarterback, Alex Smith.

So that's the moral of the story.

So that's the moral of the story.

You could have the great coach, you can have the stacked roster if you're good at quarterback. There's an opportunity here to just have to reboot and rebuild. That's what the Niners are doing. It's not a total rebuild. But I think in one year from now, McCaffrey, Trent Williams, George Kittle. I think those guys a year from now, maybe even Fred Warner, who's the best linebacker arguably in football, they'll be moving.

You could have the great coach, you can have the stacked roster if you're good at quarterback. There's an opportunity here to just have to reboot and rebuild. That's what the Niners are doing. It's not a total rebuild. But I think in one year from now, McCaffrey, Trent Williams, George Kittle. I think those guys a year from now, maybe even Fred Warner, who's the best linebacker arguably in football, they'll be moving.

On as well.

On as well.

So I found yesterday fascinating that, you know, it's I said this yesterday and I'll say it again today. What this two to three day period is. It's about the front offices. It's not necessarily about the players. Everybody's getting overpaid. I mean, Milton Williams signed a contract with New England that something Aaron Donald.

So I found yesterday fascinating that, you know, it's I said this yesterday and I'll say it again today. What this two to three day period is. It's about the front offices. It's not necessarily about the players. Everybody's getting overpaid. I mean, Milton Williams signed a contract with New England that something Aaron Donald.

Should have signed.

Should have signed.

He's you know, and it was very predictable as the best defensive tackle on the market. The Eagles letting him go. Eagles are like, you guys, overpay him.

He's you know, and it was very predictable as the best defensive tackle on the market. The Eagles letting him go. Eagles are like, you guys, overpay him.

We're not doing it.

We're not doing it.

You can do that when you're Philadelphia and when you nail your draft picks. And that gets me into the Chicago Bears. So the Chicago Bears are a good news bad news story over the last two days.

You can do that when you're Philadelphia and when you nail your draft picks. And that gets me into the Chicago Bears. So the Chicago Bears are a good news bad news story over the last two days.

So let's look at the good news.

So let's look at the good news.

They have really upgraded on the offensive line guard, center, guard. I love Joe Toney, I love Drew Dalman, Drew Dolman's arguably the best signing potentially over the last two days. They Grady Jarrett was on the market. Okay, here's the bad news. So the good news is your O line and your D line they're better. Here's the bad news. Yeah, none of those players were your draft picks. You had to overpay for all of them, and I liked some of them a lot. But it tells you, Yeah, your GM, the young guy probably not it. We don't know if your quarterbacks it yet. I think he is. We don't know if your head coach is it. I think he probably is. We know you have one of the poorest ownership groups. So right now, the Chicago Bears, even though I love the upgrades, it's a lot of finger crossing in hope and optimism.

They have really upgraded on the offensive line guard, center, guard. I love Joe Toney, I love Drew Dalman, Drew Dolman's arguably the best signing potentially over the last two days. They Grady Jarrett was on the market. Okay, here's the bad news. So the good news is your O line and your D line they're better. Here's the bad news. Yeah, none of those players were your draft picks. You had to overpay for all of them, and I liked some of them a lot. But it tells you, Yeah, your GM, the young guy probably not it. We don't know if your quarterbacks it yet. I think he is. We don't know if your head coach is it. I think he probably is. We know you have one of the poorest ownership groups. So right now, the Chicago Bears, even though I love the upgrades, it's a lot of finger crossing in hope and optimism.

That's all it is.

That's all it is.

Go look at Philadelphia's stacked roster, especially they're O lines and D lines. That's homegrown stuff, overwhelmingly. Look at the Lions O line, great front office, mostly their guys. Look at the Kansas City defense, they're guys. Look at the Rams, unbelievable defense, cheap their draft picks. Green Bay Historically, over the last twenty years, New England, during the Belichick era, his O line, his draft and development guys. With Dante's Garnekia. The Packers overpaid for a guard yesterday, but historically they draft and develop offensive lines. So when you got to go buy somebody else's good players, yes, you can absolutely upgrade.

Go look at Philadelphia's stacked roster, especially they're O lines and D lines. That's homegrown stuff, overwhelmingly. Look at the Lions O line, great front office, mostly their guys. Look at the Kansas City defense, they're guys. Look at the Rams, unbelievable defense, cheap their draft picks. Green Bay Historically, over the last twenty years, New England, during the Belichick era, his O line, his draft and development guys. With Dante's Garnekia. The Packers overpaid for a guard yesterday, but historically they draft and develop offensive lines. So when you got to go buy somebody else's good players, yes, you can absolutely upgrade.

I am not denying that.

I am not denying that.

But eventually you'll pay a price for overpaying for O line and D line guys. Remember, guys hit the market. I like Grady Jared a lot, but Atlanta's like, we probably got the most.

But eventually you'll pay a price for overpaying for O line and D line guys. Remember, guys hit the market. I like Grady Jared a lot, but Atlanta's like, we probably got the most.

Out of you.

Out of you.

Little age here getting really expensive, so the Bears have to overpay. I mean, Kansas City moved off Joe Tooney. They're telling you something, and they liked him a lot, but they're telling you, deep down, we think probably the peak.

Little age here getting really expensive, so the Bears have to overpay. I mean, Kansas City moved off Joe Tooney. They're telling you something, and they liked him a lot, but they're telling you, deep down, we think probably the peak.

The erosion starts now.

The erosion starts now.

So I can like what the Bears did, but make no mistake, the best two defenses in the NFL at the end of last year. You could argued we're like Kansas City the Rams in Philadelphia. It is a lot of draft and develop guys. It's not buying somebody else's used car, and there are a lot of you. There are a lot of good used cars on the market, but you don't know the odometer. Did they toy with it? Did they tweak with it? You don't really know when you go to a used car lot. So San Francisco, hey, you can have a stacked roster. Got to get the quarterback a A plus or you're not holding up a trophy in Chicago, good news. You really upgraded your O and D lines. But that's what you do when you whiff on a bunch of picks, and they did. I mean you start looking at last year's team for the Bears, who was their pick?

So I can like what the Bears did, but make no mistake, the best two defenses in the NFL at the end of last year. You could argued we're like Kansas City the Rams in Philadelphia. It is a lot of draft and develop guys. It's not buying somebody else's used car, and there are a lot of you. There are a lot of good used cars on the market, but you don't know the odometer. Did they toy with it? Did they tweak with it? You don't really know when you go to a used car lot. So San Francisco, hey, you can have a stacked roster. Got to get the quarterback a A plus or you're not holding up a trophy in Chicago, good news. You really upgraded your O and D lines. But that's what you do when you whiff on a bunch of picks, and they did. I mean you start looking at last year's team for the Bears, who was their pick?

That was great?

That was great?

Jalen Johnson the corner, that's their guy. So that that that that's a good that's a good story. But you know, Keenan Allen is somebody else's guy, and DJ Morris somebody else's guy. And even if you win a trade on the market, you're overpaying for people. Even the teams I like what they did New England, they massively overpaid for defensive tackle. That's not the way that sustaining greatness. The way to do it is the way Detroit's front office, Rams front office, Kansas City's front office, Philadelphia's front office. And you could argue those four teams I just named could be the four favorites next year for the Super Bowl. So there you go, and it's a carousel of quarterbacks bouncing all over the place, and we're kind of waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, is he going to be the last guy chosen in the pickup game? He's like the last shoot to fall. All the stories are he's going to go to Pittsburgh, which is it's a weird fit.

Jalen Johnson the corner, that's their guy. So that that that that's a good that's a good story. But you know, Keenan Allen is somebody else's guy, and DJ Morris somebody else's guy. And even if you win a trade on the market, you're overpaying for people. Even the teams I like what they did New England, they massively overpaid for defensive tackle. That's not the way that sustaining greatness. The way to do it is the way Detroit's front office, Rams front office, Kansas City's front office, Philadelphia's front office. And you could argue those four teams I just named could be the four favorites next year for the Super Bowl. So there you go, and it's a carousel of quarterbacks bouncing all over the place, and we're kind of waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, is he going to be the last guy chosen in the pickup game? He's like the last shoot to fall. All the stories are he's going to go to Pittsburgh, which is it's a weird fit.

Isn't it.

Isn't it.

I think it's a better fit than Minnesota. By the way, Minnesota is stacking up some players. I don't know if you noticed what they've done in the trenches, Colin, but they are loading up. I like Minnesota's offseason. I just don't like the prospects for Aaron Rodgers at all, like any of the options. I wonder if you'll just decide I'm going to retire. I don't need this. I don't need to be the last pick nobody wants. The Colts would rather have Daniel Jones than make a run at me.

I think it's a better fit than Minnesota. By the way, Minnesota is stacking up some players. I don't know if you noticed what they've done in the trenches, Colin, but they are loading up. I like Minnesota's offseason. I just don't like the prospects for Aaron Rodgers at all, like any of the options. I wonder if you'll just decide I'm going to retire. I don't need this. I don't need to be the last pick nobody wants. The Colts would rather have Daniel Jones than make a run at me.

If I asked you what's the single best acquisition, I think Drew Dallman the center for the Bears. When you can when you consider what it will do to the on line, the quarterback, I think that's about as good a pick. That's as good a pick up as I've seen. I think Davonte Adams to the Rams is really strong. He'll fit in seamlessly with McVeigh and Stafford. They get offense.

If I asked you what's the single best acquisition, I think Drew Dallman the center for the Bears. When you can when you consider what it will do to the on line, the quarterback, I think that's about as good a pick. That's as good a pick up as I've seen. I think Davonte Adams to the Rams is really strong. He'll fit in seamlessly with McVeigh and Stafford. They get offense.

Guy Sean Payton is grabbed two forty nine defenders.

Guy Sean Payton is grabbed two forty nine defenders.

Well, it's interesting two injury prone defenders. I have a theory on what Sean Payton is doing in Denver. Yeah, I would say of all the moves I've seen, Davonte Adams to the Rams and Drew Dolman the center for the Bears, and again, I think Joe Toney to the Bears. Again, You're you're over paying in a lot of eyes, but he's also a really good offen. I mean they went and got two elite offensive interior lineman. That is something that Bears generally don't do offense. Yeah, an interior a line.

Well, it's interesting two injury prone defenders. I have a theory on what Sean Payton is doing in Denver. Yeah, I would say of all the moves I've seen, Davonte Adams to the Rams and Drew Dolman the center for the Bears, and again, I think Joe Toney to the Bears. Again, You're you're over paying in a lot of eyes, but he's also a really good offen. I mean they went and got two elite offensive interior lineman. That is something that Bears generally don't do offense. Yeah, an interior a line.

Are we counting trades or just free agency? Because I think Washington grabbing Laramie Tunssel and Deebo Samuel nice movies. Those are huge movie.

Are we counting trades or just free agency? Because I think Washington grabbing Laramie Tunssel and Deebo Samuel nice movies. Those are huge movie.

I like Washington a lot.

I like Washington a lot.

I got a new NFC Championship game for you in January of twenty six.

I got a new NFC Championship game for you in January of twenty six.

Now it is, it's so much fun.

Now it is, it's so much fun.

And you know, listen, I know, you know it was my favorite part yesterday is coming into free agency. We're all like, it's not a very good free agency class, and then it arrives and we're all like, unbelievable. But the Bears did trades before free agency, so I mean, it's not just free agency. I'll be honest with you. Davante Adams to the Rams and Dolmond of the Bears, I was like, whoa. Anytime you're like, oh, whoa, those guys are gonna fit instantly, let me.

And you know, listen, I know, you know it was my favorite part yesterday is coming into free agency. We're all like, it's not a very good free agency class, and then it arrives and we're all like, unbelievable. But the Bears did trades before free agency, so I mean, it's not just free agency. I'll be honest with you. Davante Adams to the Rams and Dolmond of the Bears, I was like, whoa. Anytime you're like, oh, whoa, those guys are gonna fit instantly, let me.

Hit you with one last one. Who's who wins more games next year? Sam Darnold Seahawks or Justin Fields's Jets?

Hit you with one last one. Who's who wins more games next year? Sam Darnold Seahawks or Justin Fields's Jets?

Oh?

Oh?

Oh Donald Seahawks. Easy, like slam dum. Jets are going to be a four or five win team.

Oh Donald Seahawks. Easy, like slam dum. Jets are going to be a four or five win team.

And Seattle's going to be more than that. Seattle's gonna be a eight nine wins.

And Seattle's going to be more than that. Seattle's gonna be a eight nine wins.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I see a lot of negativity with Sam Donald.

I see a lot of negativity with Sam Donald.

He's gonna fall off a cliff who's his.

He's gonna fall off a cliff who's his.

OC by the way, what are they got going.

OC by the way, what are they got going.

On in Seattle?

On in Seattle?

Kubiak, who, by the way.

Kubiak, who, by the way.

Flamed out after a hot start last year.

Flamed out after a hot start last year.

All right, we'll see you see a lot of bad teams reaching at quarterback.

All right, we'll see you see a lot of bad teams reaching at quarterback.

And I've said this before.

And I've said this before.

Where you land as a quarterback, unless you're like Andrew Luck, where you land as a quarterback is about eighty percent of your success rate. Go look at Baker Mayfield, finally got a good roster, finally got a team that believed in him in Tampa. Go look at Sam Donald in Minnesota. Eighty percent of this stuff for quarterbacks is where you land. Very rare that Joe Burrow can overcome a frugal front office and ownership bad old lines that those are historic outliers. So Justin Field signed a two year deal with the Jets. It's basically a one year deal and an eight million dollar cap hit. So Justin Fields think about this. Starts his career with a broken franchise, a defensive head coach, and a defensive culture in Chicago. And then he goes to a solid franchise with a defensive head coach and a defensive coach in Pittsburgh, culture and coach Pittsburgh. And now where does he go with another defensive coach, another broken franchise. I know how this will end not good. If he would have landed as Sean Payton or as Sean McVay out of college. I think you'd have seen the very best of Justin Field's. I don't know how good that is, but it's better than what you've seen. And so here's a fact. The really good young quarterbacks, even with average rosters like the Washington Commanders of the Bengals, with Joe Burrow, they make it look easy. The accuracy is easy, the fluidity just they move. I mean Burrow and Jaden Daniels, bad rosters, lots of wins, Justin Fields, everything looks hard. And the other thing is that Jaden Daniels, shockingly his best quarter is the fourth quarter. He is an unbelievable fourth quarter quarterback. Justin Fields. Jayden Daniels is great in the fourth. Justin Fields a career disaster. His passer rating the fourth sixty seven, completes fifty six percent of his throats. So Justin Fields is over twenty two in his career when his team allows more than twenty points. So he gets his third defensive culture, he gets his third defensive coach. And we've talked about this a lot. Is it just matters where you land and who you land with. You don't think Bo Nicks was helped by Sean Payton. You don't think Cliff Kingsbury helped Jaden Daniels. All this stuff matters. I mean, Sam Darnold was dead and buried, gets Kevin O'Connell. He was fighting for the MVP in week fourteen fifteen. So I don't know what Justin Fields would have been had he landed McVeigh. But it's better than what I've seen. He's a bad fourth quarter quarterback. He's not good on third down. He doesn't feel you know, he looks the part lot like big athletic moves. But very few guys pop in year four, and if they do, it's because they landed in a really good organization or with a great offensive coordinator or a great offensive culture, like like Baker got a great OC, or Darnold got a great offensive head coach and a great receiver. This for Justin Fields is just more the same. It's the Bears, it's the Jets, it's the broken offensive culture in Pittsburgh.

Where you land as a quarterback, unless you're like Andrew Luck, where you land as a quarterback is about eighty percent of your success rate. Go look at Baker Mayfield, finally got a good roster, finally got a team that believed in him in Tampa. Go look at Sam Donald in Minnesota. Eighty percent of this stuff for quarterbacks is where you land. Very rare that Joe Burrow can overcome a frugal front office and ownership bad old lines that those are historic outliers. So Justin Field signed a two year deal with the Jets. It's basically a one year deal and an eight million dollar cap hit. So Justin Fields think about this. Starts his career with a broken franchise, a defensive head coach, and a defensive culture in Chicago. And then he goes to a solid franchise with a defensive head coach and a defensive coach in Pittsburgh, culture and coach Pittsburgh. And now where does he go with another defensive coach, another broken franchise. I know how this will end not good. If he would have landed as Sean Payton or as Sean McVay out of college. I think you'd have seen the very best of Justin Field's. I don't know how good that is, but it's better than what you've seen. And so here's a fact. The really good young quarterbacks, even with average rosters like the Washington Commanders of the Bengals, with Joe Burrow, they make it look easy. The accuracy is easy, the fluidity just they move. I mean Burrow and Jaden Daniels, bad rosters, lots of wins, Justin Fields, everything looks hard. And the other thing is that Jaden Daniels, shockingly his best quarter is the fourth quarter. He is an unbelievable fourth quarter quarterback. Justin Fields. Jayden Daniels is great in the fourth. Justin Fields a career disaster. His passer rating the fourth sixty seven, completes fifty six percent of his throats. So Justin Fields is over twenty two in his career when his team allows more than twenty points. So he gets his third defensive culture, he gets his third defensive coach. And we've talked about this a lot. Is it just matters where you land and who you land with. You don't think Bo Nicks was helped by Sean Payton. You don't think Cliff Kingsbury helped Jaden Daniels. All this stuff matters. I mean, Sam Darnold was dead and buried, gets Kevin O'Connell. He was fighting for the MVP in week fourteen fifteen. So I don't know what Justin Fields would have been had he landed McVeigh. But it's better than what I've seen. He's a bad fourth quarter quarterback. He's not good on third down. He doesn't feel you know, he looks the part lot like big athletic moves. But very few guys pop in year four, and if they do, it's because they landed in a really good organization or with a great offensive coordinator or a great offensive culture, like like Baker got a great OC, or Darnold got a great offensive head coach and a great receiver. This for Justin Fields is just more the same. It's the Bears, it's the Jets, it's the broken offensive culture in Pittsburgh.

I just know how it's gonna end.

I just know how it's gonna end.

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So the story is Jordan Schultz around the corner that Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers could have a deal in place by today. So if it happens, you know, my guess is today's seventy thirty. It's gonna happen. I said yesterday, I thought DK Metcalf was a reeked of desperation. It's like buying a house to save the marriage. They can't get offense, right, Let's massively overpay at a position the Steelers have actually draft and developed really well wide receiver. This I mean, I think Aaron Rodgers and Dk Metcalf in Pittsburgh when went about nine games and so Mike Tomlin streak would be alive. But you know what, when you keep finding stop gaps for the leaky roof, you end up with a bunch of buckets inside the house instead of just replacing the roof. The Steelers have been great twice in my life, Terry Bradshaw in his prime, Big Ben in his prime. Outside of that, they've had buckets around the facility. A Bubby Brister here, a Neil O'Donnell there, a Mitch Strabisky here, Aaron five years ago would not be buckets around the house.

So the story is Jordan Schultz around the corner that Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers could have a deal in place by today. So if it happens, you know, my guess is today's seventy thirty. It's gonna happen. I said yesterday, I thought DK Metcalf was a reeked of desperation. It's like buying a house to save the marriage. They can't get offense, right, Let's massively overpay at a position the Steelers have actually draft and developed really well wide receiver. This I mean, I think Aaron Rodgers and Dk Metcalf in Pittsburgh when went about nine games and so Mike Tomlin streak would be alive. But you know what, when you keep finding stop gaps for the leaky roof, you end up with a bunch of buckets inside the house instead of just replacing the roof. The Steelers have been great twice in my life, Terry Bradshaw in his prime, Big Ben in his prime. Outside of that, they've had buckets around the facility. A Bubby Brister here, a Neil O'Donnell there, a Mitch Strabisky here, Aaron five years ago would not be buckets around the house.

He would be a new roof that's not the air.

He would be a new roof that's not the air.

And you're getting so and you know what's interesting here kind of a cautionary tale. And I know I'm always mister anti Aeron, but it's ending this way because I mean, Minnesota was looking for a potential quarterback, Seattle was, Vegas was with Chip Kelly, the Colts were a return of the Jets, and they all said nah nah. So you know, the Jets and the Steelers swapping quarterbacks feels like two C minus students cheating off each other on a test. Hey, we'll take your guy that didn't work, and we'll take your guy that didn't work. I think Aaron's talented, but I think both the Jets and the Steelers have shown, as we've noted multiple times, they just don't have a feel for offense. And it's not because the Steelers don't have talent. So maybe DK Metcalf and Aaron.

And you're getting so and you know what's interesting here kind of a cautionary tale. And I know I'm always mister anti Aeron, but it's ending this way because I mean, Minnesota was looking for a potential quarterback, Seattle was, Vegas was with Chip Kelly, the Colts were a return of the Jets, and they all said nah nah. So you know, the Jets and the Steelers swapping quarterbacks feels like two C minus students cheating off each other on a test. Hey, we'll take your guy that didn't work, and we'll take your guy that didn't work. I think Aaron's talented, but I think both the Jets and the Steelers have shown, as we've noted multiple times, they just don't have a feel for offense. And it's not because the Steelers don't have talent. So maybe DK Metcalf and Aaron.

The tight end.

The tight end.

I like, I mean, there's players here. I've been saying this for like five years. I've loved the Steelers roster for five years. I've been saying this for years. I love the players, they just don't get offense. So you know, Aaron, there was a lot of people out there that could have had Aaron and all of them are like nah, and the Steelers got him. So it feels a little desperate to me. That's how it feels. And in my life, the Steelers have been great twice when they had Hall of Fame quarterbacks in their prime. I think Aaron six years ago to Pittsburgh. That's something to get excited about this. I mean, it's big Steelers brand. Aaron Brant, We'll talk about it a lot. I see no value in talking about New York football team. So Aaron at least went to a place that's interesting. There's something there. Nick right top of the hour, Urban Meyer, Jordan Schultz around the corner, Denver Broncos. What are they doing getting a couple of guys on the defensive side that are a little injury plagued? The Commanders get Laramie Tunzel. That feels good to me. A great pass blocker. A lot of penalties, but a great pass blocker. More than a second live in La It's the Herd.

I like, I mean, there's players here. I've been saying this for like five years. I've loved the Steelers roster for five years. I've been saying this for years. I love the players, they just don't get offense. So you know, Aaron, there was a lot of people out there that could have had Aaron and all of them are like nah, and the Steelers got him. So it feels a little desperate to me. That's how it feels. And in my life, the Steelers have been great twice when they had Hall of Fame quarterbacks in their prime. I think Aaron six years ago to Pittsburgh. That's something to get excited about this. I mean, it's big Steelers brand. Aaron Brant, We'll talk about it a lot. I see no value in talking about New York football team. So Aaron at least went to a place that's interesting. There's something there. Nick right top of the hour, Urban Meyer, Jordan Schultz around the corner, Denver Broncos. What are they doing getting a couple of guys on the defensive side that are a little injury plagued? The Commanders get Laramie Tunzel. That feels good to me. A great pass blocker. A lot of penalties, but a great pass blocker. More than a second live in La It's the Herd.

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Yeah, there's a lot of talk about the college football CFP format and what they're going to do with it and some proposals I'll talk to Urban. I will say this about the college football media. You want automatic qualifiers. A every other sport in the world has them. It's easier for the fans to follow. You want automatic qualifiers. That's obvious. And another reason you want them is because if you're the college football is carried by ten to twelve programs, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama.

Yeah, there's a lot of talk about the college football CFP format and what they're going to do with it and some proposals I'll talk to Urban. I will say this about the college football media. You want automatic qualifiers. A every other sport in the world has them. It's easier for the fans to follow. You want automatic qualifiers. That's obvious. And another reason you want them is because if you're the college football is carried by ten to twelve programs, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama.

You know your big schools.

You know your big schools.

You want them knowing that if they win their conference or a division they get an automatic qualifier. They're more willing to face big out of conference games, and college football has always hit a problem since I was a kid, it's always had a big game problem out of conference. So I am four automatic qualifiers. Urban Meyer is now joining US seventeen seasons, three national championships. So there's a lot of stuff with CFP getting battied about and talked about.

You want them knowing that if they win their conference or a division they get an automatic qualifier. They're more willing to face big out of conference games, and college football has always hit a problem since I was a kid, it's always had a big game problem out of conference. So I am four automatic qualifiers. Urban Meyer is now joining US seventeen seasons, three national championships. So there's a lot of stuff with CFP getting battied about and talked about.

What what are you hearing? What are you hearing on the proposals for the college football playoff?

What what are you hearing? What are you hearing on the proposals for the college football playoff?

Well, I've actually done a little research on this, and I a friend of mine called me and said, hey, I want to talk to you about this, and so I said, okay, And it's a four four two two one one yeah format Ye, it's I know it's out there a little bit, but I did a little diving into it, and of all the ones I've heard, it makes sense. It's a fourteen playoff. Now there's going to be a big caveat and then that's going to be the big twelve and acc or are going to be pissed on this thing. So or they might, they might not. I don't know. It's it's big ten SEC has four yeah qualifiers. But but here's the best thing. It takes it out of selection and more into excess. So the selection committee is going to be wrong. You know. It's an imperfect system. It's been that way since the BCS, which we are part of that No. Six to the College Football Playoff. Ohio State was part of that in fourteen. The twelve team playoff last year, there were some you know, what are the mistakes? Who knows? But I like the idea you play into it and then that way. There's two things that I love about it. Number one is it does not penalize you. If I'm a coach in the current model, I am not playing a tough team in the early part of the I'm not doing that. That's going to hurt my team. You get judged on the playoff and that's it. If you go on the conferences, handle the access. The Big Ten gets four, you're certainly your guard, right. I'm going to play Texas because I want to challenge my team. It's great for recruiting, it's great for our fans, it's great for the game of football, and it will not penalize me. If I still win the Big Ten, I'm the number one seed.

Well, I've actually done a little research on this, and I a friend of mine called me and said, hey, I want to talk to you about this, and so I said, okay, And it's a four four two two one one yeah format Ye, it's I know it's out there a little bit, but I did a little diving into it, and of all the ones I've heard, it makes sense. It's a fourteen playoff. Now there's going to be a big caveat and then that's going to be the big twelve and acc or are going to be pissed on this thing. So or they might, they might not. I don't know. It's it's big ten SEC has four yeah qualifiers. But but here's the best thing. It takes it out of selection and more into excess. So the selection committee is going to be wrong. You know. It's an imperfect system. It's been that way since the BCS, which we are part of that No. Six to the College Football Playoff. Ohio State was part of that in fourteen. The twelve team playoff last year, there were some you know, what are the mistakes? Who knows? But I like the idea you play into it and then that way. There's two things that I love about it. Number one is it does not penalize you. If I'm a coach in the current model, I am not playing a tough team in the early part of the I'm not doing that. That's going to hurt my team. You get judged on the playoff and that's it. If you go on the conferences, handle the access. The Big Ten gets four, you're certainly your guard, right. I'm going to play Texas because I want to challenge my team. It's great for recruiting, it's great for our fans, it's great for the game of football, and it will not penalize me. If I still win the Big Ten, I'm the number one seed.

So you and I agree, I'm a And the other thing is I don't have four would be SEC, Big Ten, the two to two would be the ACC and the Big twelve. And in my takeaway is on that, well, that's obvious, Like you have to start pretending stuff doesn't exist. If you look at the money the SEC has and the money the Big Ten and the addition of Texas, Oklahoma, USC Oregon, let's let's stop arguing about it. Those are easily the best conferences. I would argue last year there were times the fifth best team in the Big Ten. I was like, I don't know if that because I think Michigan's gonna be better. I think Washington and USC are going to be better. I think the fifth place team in the I mean, you could have in Nebraska be the fifth best team in the Big Ten this year and like be a team that can go in a major bowl game. So I'm with you on that. Now, do you think that's gonna happen? Because I think it's the right way too. Do you think that happens.

So you and I agree, I'm a And the other thing is I don't have four would be SEC, Big Ten, the two to two would be the ACC and the Big twelve. And in my takeaway is on that, well, that's obvious, Like you have to start pretending stuff doesn't exist. If you look at the money the SEC has and the money the Big Ten and the addition of Texas, Oklahoma, USC Oregon, let's let's stop arguing about it. Those are easily the best conferences. I would argue last year there were times the fifth best team in the Big Ten. I was like, I don't know if that because I think Michigan's gonna be better. I think Washington and USC are going to be better. I think the fifth place team in the I mean, you could have in Nebraska be the fifth best team in the Big Ten this year and like be a team that can go in a major bowl game. So I'm with you on that. Now, do you think that's gonna happen? Because I think it's the right way too. Do you think that happens.

Let me throw in another little area that I thought when I heard this one, I was like, I'm all in. It's a play in for the third fourth spots in the Big Ten, a play in for the third four spots in the SEC, and a play in for the second or playing obviously for the ACC and the Big twelve. And here's what I mean by playing three play six, four place five. The winner of that game on that weekend, Well, now you're gonna have the Big Ten championship game and two playoff playing games that will determine your four teams. So a sixth place Big Ten team has a good day, they're in a playoff. So you look at Minnesota, you look at Wisconsin, Michigan, State, Iowa, Washington, USC, UCLA. All those teams at the end of the year. Whoever's fifth and six are still swinging at the end of the year, and I just think it's great. It's great for the game.

Let me throw in another little area that I thought when I heard this one, I was like, I'm all in. It's a play in for the third fourth spots in the Big Ten, a play in for the third four spots in the SEC, and a play in for the second or playing obviously for the ACC and the Big twelve. And here's what I mean by playing three play six, four place five. The winner of that game on that weekend, Well, now you're gonna have the Big Ten championship game and two playoff playing games that will determine your four teams. So a sixth place Big Ten team has a good day, they're in a playoff. So you look at Minnesota, you look at Wisconsin, Michigan, State, Iowa, Washington, USC, UCLA. All those teams at the end of the year. Whoever's fifth and six are still swinging at the end of the year, and I just think it's great. It's great for the game.

Yet more big games that matter.

Yet more big games that matter.

And that's what separates the NFL from college is every weekend you've got six or eight games that are fantastic.

And that's what separates the NFL from college is every weekend you've got six or eight games that are fantastic.

I gotta ask you.

I gotta ask you.

I want to ask you about some of these prospects because you saw him and you know him, so you know, there's always been this feeling about tight ends.

I want to ask you about some of these prospects because you saw him and you know him, so you know, there's always been this feeling about tight ends.

Yeah, you know, they don't.

Yeah, you know, they don't.

It takes a while for a tight end in college to go to the pros because they ask you to block. So Colston Loveland and the kid Tyler Warren are the two best tight ends in the country. They're both big ten guys. Do they feel like first round tight ends to you?

It takes a while for a tight end in college to go to the pros because they ask you to block. So Colston Loveland and the kid Tyler Warren are the two best tight ends in the country. They're both big ten guys. Do they feel like first round tight ends to you?

For sure? Tyler Warren, I think was other than Jeremiah Smith, you know, the od obvious. He's maybe the best player in the last decade in college football, Tyler Warren. If I'm an NFL coach drafting, I'm getting them on my team somehow. I would trade for him. I mean, he was a quarterback in high school. He can throw, which he did during games. He can take a direct snap. I met the guy and we covered him a lot. I'm finding a way, so I think he's NFL ready. Colston Loveland I think is a little bit behind Tyler Warren. Yeah, but he'll be a late first, early second I predict.

For sure? Tyler Warren, I think was other than Jeremiah Smith, you know, the od obvious. He's maybe the best player in the last decade in college football, Tyler Warren. If I'm an NFL coach drafting, I'm getting them on my team somehow. I would trade for him. I mean, he was a quarterback in high school. He can throw, which he did during games. He can take a direct snap. I met the guy and we covered him a lot. I'm finding a way, so I think he's NFL ready. Colston Loveland I think is a little bit behind Tyler Warren. Yeah, but he'll be a late first, early second I predict.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Michigan has a history of having good tight ends. Loveland is listen, Brock Powers is the best tight end prospect I've ever seen. And I think people look at these guys and go, oh, he's not Brock Powers, and it's like, folks, that's a whole different ballgame.

Michigan has a history of having good tight ends. Loveland is listen, Brock Powers is the best tight end prospect I've ever seen. And I think people look at these guys and go, oh, he's not Brock Powers, and it's like, folks, that's a whole different ballgame.

That kid is that.

That kid is that.

You don't compare anybody to Brock Powers. So I agree with you, that's true. Now you had Ashton Genty, So I'm gonna throw this at you. I think the North Carolina back is as good or better. I think he's that good. You saw gent play. Here's my thing the draft. The one position in this draft that is stacked. Ohio State's got a couple is running back. It is a stacked running back draft. So my take is, when you watch Ashton Genty, is he good enough to take in the first round knowing I can get eighty percent of that in the second, third, and fourth, or do you think he is a transformational player.

You don't compare anybody to Brock Powers. So I agree with you, that's true. Now you had Ashton Genty, So I'm gonna throw this at you. I think the North Carolina back is as good or better. I think he's that good. You saw gent play. Here's my thing the draft. The one position in this draft that is stacked. Ohio State's got a couple is running back. It is a stacked running back draft. So my take is, when you watch Ashton Genty, is he good enough to take in the first round knowing I can get eighty percent of that in the second, third, and fourth, or do you think he is a transformational player.

I again, just talking to some guys involved in the NFL draft. So Saquon Barkley, the running back is officially back in the NFL. Yeah, and you know it disappeared for a while. I was shocked when Zeke Elliott, when they weren't paying Zeke what he was worth and JK. Dobbins they were letting him go. That Al Suden Saquon Barkley and they let the guy go. And now all of a sudden, he's carrying this you know, has a big Super Bowl ring and he carried that team. So I think absolutely, aston Jety, I don't think he's a early pick. When I say earlier, I don't think he's a top fifteenth pick. But I certainly think he's back half of the first round. And once again, a year ago or two years ago, no someone would have said, I'm going to wait for the second and third round. I think the run game will be coming back to the NFL with investment and running backs. And I think you know the NFL in college, they're both cyclical, and what happens is how did you know how did the Eagles win the Super Bowl. How did they put it all over the Chiefs because they ran the ball, they stopped the run. They obviously played great defense. But when you can control the line of scrimmage and run the football, I mean, that's the way we won championships. That's how you win.

I again, just talking to some guys involved in the NFL draft. So Saquon Barkley, the running back is officially back in the NFL. Yeah, and you know it disappeared for a while. I was shocked when Zeke Elliott, when they weren't paying Zeke what he was worth and JK. Dobbins they were letting him go. That Al Suden Saquon Barkley and they let the guy go. And now all of a sudden, he's carrying this you know, has a big Super Bowl ring and he carried that team. So I think absolutely, aston Jety, I don't think he's a early pick. When I say earlier, I don't think he's a top fifteenth pick. But I certainly think he's back half of the first round. And once again, a year ago or two years ago, no someone would have said, I'm going to wait for the second and third round. I think the run game will be coming back to the NFL with investment and running backs. And I think you know the NFL in college, they're both cyclical, and what happens is how did you know how did the Eagles win the Super Bowl. How did they put it all over the Chiefs because they ran the ball, they stopped the run. They obviously played great defense. But when you can control the line of scrimmage and run the football, I mean, that's the way we won championships. That's how you win.

Let me ask you about so I'm going to tell you I think this is the most underretted player in the draft. He's going to go in the second and I think we're talking about Cam and Chador Sanders and I'm like, just keep your one on Kyle McCord.

Let me ask you about so I'm going to tell you I think this is the most underretted player in the draft. He's going to go in the second and I think we're talking about Cam and Chador Sanders and I'm like, just keep your one on Kyle McCord.

He can spin it.

He can spin it.

Wow.

Wow.

I think wow. I think he's now again. I don't think he's a first round talent. He was at Ohio State. He was very good. He went to Syracuse. His numbers are insane? Am I reaching here? I tell you, I watch a lot of this stuff YouTube clips. I'm like, there's a second third round pick every year at quarterback, every other year.

I think wow. I think he's now again. I don't think he's a first round talent. He was at Ohio State. He was very good. He went to Syracuse. His numbers are insane? Am I reaching here? I tell you, I watch a lot of this stuff YouTube clips. I'm like, there's a second third round pick every year at quarterback, every other year.

What do you make of him?

What do you make of him?

Well, I know Kyle McCord well, obviously covering him. I know the guys that coached him very well. They love the guy. Very disappointed when he left. I think another year under his belt at Ohio State, it might not have been Syracuse type numbers because they had to share the wealth a little bit. But I certainly think he's in it. I don't man. You said first round.

Well, I know Kyle McCord well, obviously covering him. I know the guys that coached him very well. They love the guy. Very disappointed when he left. I think another year under his belt at Ohio State, it might not have been Syracuse type numbers because they had to share the wealth a little bit. But I certainly think he's in it. I don't man. You said first round.

Collein, I said second, second.

Collein, I said second, second.

Round, Okay, I could see second, maybe third, Yeah, but I can see a guy playing in the NFL for eight nine years absolutely.

Round, Okay, I could see second, maybe third, Yeah, but I can see a guy playing in the NFL for eight nine years absolutely.

Okay, yeah, Yeah, it's a it is a week quarter and the NFL is quarterback desperate, so somebody may reach mid second round. But I think there's talent there now. Now, I like Schador Sanders. I love Cams talent and traits. I like Shador And the reason I like him is he had no run game and allows the O line, so he has had to initiate offense his whole life. And I think, as you know, in the NFL, when you go to a top seven or eight team, that's your reality, bat ole line. You gotta make plays. What would concern you about Shadoor Sanders?

Okay, yeah, Yeah, it's a it is a week quarter and the NFL is quarterback desperate, so somebody may reach mid second round. But I think there's talent there now. Now, I like Schador Sanders. I love Cams talent and traits. I like Shador And the reason I like him is he had no run game and allows the O line, so he has had to initiate offense his whole life. And I think, as you know, in the NFL, when you go to a top seven or eight team, that's your reality, bat ole line. You gotta make plays. What would concern you about Shadoor Sanders?

Again, I did a little research because our big new are Triple Option podcast is going to the draft that I called a GM friend of mine, and he has really slipped a little bit here. Yeah, And the reason he's slipping is they're looking at the competition that he played. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, because what I saw, I saw a guy that's fought like enough to get out of trouble, a live arm, stays alive, competes his butt off, and he's always on the run. Because his offensive line struggled certainly last year and this year they're a little bit better of the offense line in Colorado, but not much so. But I understand there's a throughout the NFL there's a concern about it if he can make the throw in the tight windows because in the Big Twelve Conference he didn't have to do that very much, and he was You look at his big plays, a lot of them were on the run, and you know that's that's not necessarily what if they're looking for in the NFL. They want a guy that dropped back and make that tight window throw, there's some question marks if he can do that.

Again, I did a little research because our big new are Triple Option podcast is going to the draft that I called a GM friend of mine, and he has really slipped a little bit here. Yeah, And the reason he's slipping is they're looking at the competition that he played. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, because what I saw, I saw a guy that's fought like enough to get out of trouble, a live arm, stays alive, competes his butt off, and he's always on the run. Because his offensive line struggled certainly last year and this year they're a little bit better of the offense line in Colorado, but not much so. But I understand there's a throughout the NFL there's a concern about it if he can make the throw in the tight windows because in the Big Twelve Conference he didn't have to do that very much, and he was You look at his big plays, a lot of them were on the run, and you know that's that's not necessarily what if they're looking for in the NFL. They want a guy that dropped back and make that tight window throw, there's some question marks if he can do that.

Travion Henderson running back at Ohio State. The other kid is Quinn Shawn Judgkins. Judkins Ohio States always got talent at skill positions. These are two very very good running backs. If I was drafting the two Ohio State running backs.

Travion Henderson running back at Ohio State. The other kid is Quinn Shawn Judgkins. Judkins Ohio States always got talent at skill positions. These are two very very good running backs. If I was drafting the two Ohio State running backs.

What do you like? What would worry you what do you make of them?

What do you like? What would worry you what do you make of them?

I don't know enough Because about Quinshawn, you know, he was you know, he was a backup this year. I know he came and he was supposed to split time, but Travion was the back. And Travion from his the last two years of football was night and day. Because up until uh, the end of last year and then this year, I would I was worried about him. I was worried about if he's you know, we used to call him one hit back, where he gets hit and he goes down. That's not the case anymore. He developed into a guy that can break tackles. He's always had elite speed, but if he really studied him two years ago, he got, he got, he got whatever the offensive line gave him. Yeah, that's no longer the case. He rips through tackles now, he's a much improved I don't know if it's strength training, I don't know if it's confidence, but he developed into a back that can make people miss and rip two tackles. He was not that two years ago.

I don't know enough Because about Quinshawn, you know, he was you know, he was a backup this year. I know he came and he was supposed to split time, but Travion was the back. And Travion from his the last two years of football was night and day. Because up until uh, the end of last year and then this year, I would I was worried about him. I was worried about if he's you know, we used to call him one hit back, where he gets hit and he goes down. That's not the case anymore. He developed into a guy that can break tackles. He's always had elite speed, but if he really studied him two years ago, he got, he got, he got whatever the offensive line gave him. Yeah, that's no longer the case. He rips through tackles now, he's a much improved I don't know if it's strength training, I don't know if it's confidence, but he developed into a back that can make people miss and rip two tackles. He was not that two years ago.

Well, that tells me he's a worker. So I like that.

Well, that tells me he's a worker. So I like that.

That that tells me he put in the time in the gym. I'm all for that, right, I agree, I agree.

That that tells me he put in the time in the gym. I'm all for that, right, I agree, I agree.

I want to throw this at you one more guy.

I want to throw this at you one more guy.

I think there's an argument after Abdul Carter's just the best pro prospect. I don't worry too much about the surgery. I saw him eat alive tackles. Now, he's just nobody could block him. What do you make of him? I thought, even against Ohio State, certain guys just pop and you're like, like Mason Grant, Will Johnson the corner for Michigan when he was healthy. I'm like, Okay, that's a first round player. What do you make of Abdull Carter?

I think there's an argument after Abdul Carter's just the best pro prospect. I don't worry too much about the surgery. I saw him eat alive tackles. Now, he's just nobody could block him. What do you make of him? I thought, even against Ohio State, certain guys just pop and you're like, like Mason Grant, Will Johnson the corner for Michigan when he was healthy. I'm like, Okay, that's a first round player. What do you make of Abdull Carter?

The injury? Would it worry you?

The injury? Would it worry you?

No, it would worry me. I do everything worries you as you're starting to invest that kind of money and that kind of capital into a player. But whenever you look at a player, you all say, and it's a little bit like high school and you recruited kid, a player that comes from a great high school, a Xavier in Cincinnati, and you figure he's maximized. How much better can he get? Abdull Carter is only relatively new at that defensive end position. He's I think he's still going into his body so I think there's as good as he is, there's still plenty of upsides. So but I would argue that it'd be hard for me to not take Travis Hunter with that first pick. I just I love that guy. I think he's a once in a generation, once in a lifetime player. He can do things that I've not seen people do, his stamina, the quality of kid that I I've done some homework on him. We covered him a few times. He's big. I want to say he's close to sixty three. We had him on our set with us and I was shocked how big he is. So I think it's either Travis Hunter or it's going to be Abdul Carter.

No, it would worry me. I do everything worries you as you're starting to invest that kind of money and that kind of capital into a player. But whenever you look at a player, you all say, and it's a little bit like high school and you recruited kid, a player that comes from a great high school, a Xavier in Cincinnati, and you figure he's maximized. How much better can he get? Abdull Carter is only relatively new at that defensive end position. He's I think he's still going into his body so I think there's as good as he is, there's still plenty of upsides. So but I would argue that it'd be hard for me to not take Travis Hunter with that first pick. I just I love that guy. I think he's a once in a generation, once in a lifetime player. He can do things that I've not seen people do, his stamina, the quality of kid that I I've done some homework on him. We covered him a few times. He's big. I want to say he's close to sixty three. We had him on our set with us and I was shocked how big he is. So I think it's either Travis Hunter or it's going to be Abdul Carter.

All right, would you like him to play corner and receiver? Would you scale that back? Would you? I? You know, I coaches probably want him to play receiver because you can get the ball to him twelve times?

All right, would you like him to play corner and receiver? Would you scale that back? Would you? I? You know, I coaches probably want him to play receiver because you can get the ball to him twelve times?

What would you do?

What would you do?

I would never say this other than that guy, I'd play him both ways. I would train him. I mean, he I've never seen college. On a one hundred and sixtieth play of the game, he's blocking guys twenty five thirty yards downfield and he at the end of the game, he's as strong. I know it's college, and I get that I'm going to I'm sure some people say it's college. It's college. I get that, but I in my lifetime, I've not seen a guy do that. Wow.

I would never say this other than that guy, I'd play him both ways. I would train him. I mean, he I've never seen college. On a one hundred and sixtieth play of the game, he's blocking guys twenty five thirty yards downfield and he at the end of the game, he's as strong. I know it's college, and I get that I'm going to I'm sure some people say it's college. It's college. I get that, but I in my lifetime, I've not seen a guy do that. Wow.

I still think you're shocked by my Kyle McCord take. I think you're that just it's unsettled you.

I still think you're shocked by my Kyle McCord take. I think you're that just it's unsettled you.

You didn't even know me. Not I did. When you said first round, I would have pumped the brakes a little bit, but certainly second. And what kind of person is the fact he went He got a little arrogance tool and got a little went and showed what he can do on his own. So no, you did shock me first, but I'd say second or third.

You didn't even know me. Not I did. When you said first round, I would have pumped the brakes a little bit, but certainly second. And what kind of person is the fact he went He got a little arrogance tool and got a little went and showed what he can do on his own. So no, you did shock me first, but I'd say second or third.

Well, I'm just a clickbait guy, you know me.

Well, I'm just a clickbait guy, you know me.

Okay, finally we got I had Ryan Dayon by the way I had Ryan Dan last week. He was so emotional, he was so good. I mean, the guy was just so good for me. Hard to root against him. And but you've won national championships. I only remember you not liking one of your teams. It was a Florida team that went to a bowl game and too many of the guys won seven. Yeah, you didn't like that team wore you out.

Okay, finally we got I had Ryan Dayon by the way I had Ryan Dan last week. He was so emotional, he was so good. I mean, the guy was just so good for me. Hard to root against him. And but you've won national championships. I only remember you not liking one of your teams. It was a Florida team that went to a bowl game and too many of the guys won seven. Yeah, you didn't like that team wore you out.

Most of the time.

Most of the time.

You left Constanto.

You left Constanto.

Yeah, hey, you know that happens.

Yeah, hey, you know that happens.

Okay, so you win a national champion, Chip Kelly leaves. You got nil guys moving around, so it's a different world. But what is the hardest part of coming back as a national champion? Something that maybe I wouldn't figure out that you you had to literally sit down with your staff and say, okay, we got to play some psychologists here.

Okay, so you win a national champion, Chip Kelly leaves. You got nil guys moving around, so it's a different world. But what is the hardest part of coming back as a national champion? Something that maybe I wouldn't figure out that you you had to literally sit down with your staff and say, okay, we got to play some psychologists here.

What's the hard part?

What's the hard part?

And you put it on the players. I think it's the staff, you know, I think the staff, and then that leads to your players. Everybody changes. In twenty sixteen, the Chicago Cubs won the World Series. Joe Maddo is a dear friend of mine. I went up to visit him in spring of twenty seventeen. I'm sitting in his office. He is absolutely miserable, and I believe they were in first place still, and he said, this team, they're hard to coach, They're hard to be around. I'm just I'm really struggling with his team. And he says he did some homework in the NHL, NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA, college football, college basketball. How hard it is. The percentage to repeat is very extremely low. I don't know the number. I want to say it's single digits. My own nine team was better than the eight national champion Florida Gators teen team. When I say better, more talented. My fifteen team in Ohio State was more talented than the fourteen Ohio State team. But we didn't win it. Why because it's different. It's just different. There's always issues there. It just seems like when you're climbing the mountain, it takes energy and passion. When you're on top of the mountain, it's just you're just taking arrows. So energy and passion first taking arrows.

And you put it on the players. I think it's the staff, you know, I think the staff, and then that leads to your players. Everybody changes. In twenty sixteen, the Chicago Cubs won the World Series. Joe Maddo is a dear friend of mine. I went up to visit him in spring of twenty seventeen. I'm sitting in his office. He is absolutely miserable, and I believe they were in first place still, and he said, this team, they're hard to coach, They're hard to be around. I'm just I'm really struggling with his team. And he says he did some homework in the NHL, NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA, college football, college basketball. How hard it is. The percentage to repeat is very extremely low. I don't know the number. I want to say it's single digits. My own nine team was better than the eight national champion Florida Gators teen team. When I say better, more talented. My fifteen team in Ohio State was more talented than the fourteen Ohio State team. But we didn't win it. Why because it's different. It's just different. There's always issues there. It just seems like when you're climbing the mountain, it takes energy and passion. When you're on top of the mountain, it's just you're just taking arrows. So energy and passion first taking arrows.

By the way, what what golf tournament? What cushy golf tournament are you in today? By the way, you got another one today, I'm not.

By the way, what what golf tournament? What cushy golf tournament are you in today? By the way, you got another one today, I'm not.

I'm doing Colin Coward on our podcast, and golf tournament starts up again tomorrow.

I'm doing Colin Coward on our podcast, and golf tournament starts up again tomorrow.

Though that's a you quite a life you've carved out for yourself. I've got a little jealous, to be honest with you. You you could invite.

Though that's a you quite a life you've carved out for yourself. I've got a little jealous, to be honest with you. You you could invite.

Me to one of those things occasionally.

Me to one of those things occasionally.

I wouldn't see, know, Colin, if you work really hard someday and I'm just kidding. Always great to be with you.

I wouldn't see, know, Colin, if you work really hard someday and I'm just kidding. Always great to be with you.

Man, Always great to see Urban Meyer. Thanks coach. Thanks, Yeah, I agree with Urban.

Man, Always great to see Urban Meyer. Thanks coach. Thanks, Yeah, I agree with Urban.

I'm I'm big twelve can get upset in the ACC. You've your lot four four two two one one. I'm good with that. SEC Big ten have separated. I mean they were better before they added Washington, Oregon, se U C, l A. They were better before they added Texas Oklahoma. So like, don't let's tell make arguments. Well, the ACC, what about it? I mean it's Clemson can't figure out the transfer portal. And I I watched that SMU.

I'm I'm big twelve can get upset in the ACC. You've your lot four four two two one one. I'm good with that. SEC Big ten have separated. I mean they were better before they added Washington, Oregon, se U C, l A. They were better before they added Texas Oklahoma. So like, don't let's tell make arguments. Well, the ACC, what about it? I mean it's Clemson can't figure out the transfer portal. And I I watched that SMU.

I watched that game. How'd that look? Not great?

I watched that game. How'd that look? Not great?

So that Kyle McCord there that through them for a little loopy you got. I got a lot of contacts in the pro league, and I like to throw a little curveball at Urban.

So that Kyle McCord there that through them for a little loopy you got. I got a lot of contacts in the pro league, and I like to throw a little curveball at Urban.

Live in Los Angeles,

Live in Los Angeles,