Chris Robinson hosts the The Hard Ball Gets - Good Chat, sitting down with a special guest every week as well as weighing up some over/unders and previewing the weekend.

On this week's episode, former Brisbane and Fremantle star Des Headland joins the podcast to discuss life after football, contributing to premierships at the Lions, the decision to come back to Perth, the transition to Freo footy and much more.

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