Your brain is changing all the time, whether you realize it or not. Everything from your hobbies and chores to the media you consume can physically shape it. So how can you make sure it’s changing in ways that actually serve you?

Laurie speaks with neuroscientist Dr. Richard Davidson, whose decades of work with the Dalai Lama helped pioneer the scientific study of meditation. Drawing on research with Buddhist monks, stressed-out school teachers, and others, Richie explains why psychological flourishing is a skill we can train, and how simple practices involving awareness, connection, insight, and purpose can help us become more resilient, focused, and fulfilled. His new book, Born to Flourish, is out now.

 

Experts Mentioned:
Richard Davidson, Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry and Founder and Director of the Center for Healthy Minds at the University of Wisconsin–Madison
Cortland Dahl, Contemplative Scientist at the Center for Healthy Minds at the University of Wisconsin–Madison
14th Dalai Lama, spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism 
Matthieu Ricard, Buddhist monk 
François Jacob, Nobel Prize-winning biologist

 

Resources Mentioned:
Born to Flourish: How New Science and Ancient Wisdom Reveal a Simple Path to Thriving, by Richard Davidson and Cortland Dahl (2026)
“Neurogenesis in the adult brain: death of a dogma,” by Charles Gordon Gross (Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 2000)
“The book of neurogenesis,” by Matthew Sloan (Harvard Health Publishing, 2021)
“In pursuit of resilience: stress, epigenetics, and brain plasticity,” by Bruce McEwen (Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 2016)
“The plasticity of well-being: A training-based framework for the cultivation of human flourishing,” by Cortland Dahl, Christine Wilson-Mendenhall, and Richard Davidson (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2020)
“Navigation-related structural change in the hippocampi of taxi drivers,” by Eleanor Maguire, David Gadian, Ingrid Johnsrude, Catriona Good, John Ashburner, Richard Frackowiak, and Christopher Frith (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2000)
“Training induces changes in white-matter architecture,” by Jan Scholz, Miriam Klein, Timothy Behrens, and Heidi Johansen-Berg (Nature Neuroscience, 2009)
“Long-term meditators self-induce high-amplitude gamma synchrony during mental practice,” by Antoine Lutz, Lawrence Greischar, Nancy B. Rawlings, Matthieu Ricard, Richard Davidson (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2004)
“A Randomized Controlled Trial of a Smartphone-Based Well-Being Training in Public School System Employees During the COVID-19 Pandemic,” by Matthew Hirshberg, Corrina Frye, Cortland Dahl, Kevin Riordan, Nathan Vack, Jane Sachs, Robin Goldman, Richard Davidson, and Simon B Goldberg (Journal of Educational Psychology, 2022)
“Altered anterior insula activation during anticipation and experience of painful stimuli in expert meditators,” by Antoine Lutz, Daniel McFarlin, David Perlman, Tim Salomons, and Richard Davidson (Neuroimage, 2013)
Healthy Minds Program (meditation app)
“Integrating mindfulness and connection practices into preservice teacher education results in durable automatic race bias reductions,” by Matthew Hirshberg, Lisa Flook, Evan Moss, Robert Enright, and Richard Davidson (Journal of School Psychology, 2022)
“Sitting and Active Meditation Practice: Utilization and Associations with Outcomes in Naturalistic and Clinical Trial Data,” by Simon B Goldberg, Zishan Jiwani, Cortland J Dahl, Raquel Tatar, John D Dunne, Richard J Davidson, Matthew J Hirshberg (Mindfulness, 2026)

 

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“How to Find Your Purpose”
“The Power of Awe… and Where to Find It”
“Happiness Lessons of The Ancients: Socrates and Self-Knowledge”
“How to Adopt a Growth Mindset”

Your brain is changing all the time, whether you realize it or not. Everything from&nbsp;your hobbies and chores to the media you consume can physically shape it. So how can you make sure it&rsquo;s changing in ways that actually serve you?
Laurie speaks with neuroscientist <a href="https://www.richardjdavidson.com/" data-airgap-id="10">Dr. Richard Davidson</a>, whose decades of work with the Dalai Lama helped pioneer the scientific study of meditation. Drawing on research with Buddhist monks, stressed-out school teachers, and others, Richie explains why psychological flourishing is a skill we can train, and how simple practices involving awareness, connection, insight, and purpose can help us become more resilient, focused, and fulfilled. His new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Born-Flourish-Science-Ancient-Thriving/dp/1668066238" data-airgap-id="11">Born to Flourish</a>, is out now.
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Experts Mentioned:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.richardjdavidson.com/" data-airgap-id="12">Richard Davidson</a>, Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry and Founder and Director of the <a href="https://centerhealthyminds.org/" data-airgap-id="13">Center for Healthy Minds</a> at the University of Wisconsin&ndash;Madison</li>
<li><a href="https://cortlanddahl.com/" data-airgap-id="14">Cortland Dahl</a>, Contemplative Scientist at the Center for Healthy Minds at the University of Wisconsin&ndash;Madison</li>
<li><a href="https://www.dalailama.com/" data-airgap-id="15">14th Dalai Lama</a>, spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism&nbsp;</li>
<li><a href="https://www.matthieuricard.org/en/" data-airgap-id="16">Matthieu Ricard</a>, Buddhist monk&nbsp;</li>
<li><a href="https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1965/jacob/biographical/" data-airgap-id="17">Fran&ccedil;ois Jacob</a>, Nobel Prize-winning biologist</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
Resources Mentioned:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Born-Flourish-Science-Ancient-Thriving/dp/1668066238/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CHFoDDIv-n9u2ZvSZFwFE78KVuGHPt8F0MZajnBjwNwHR_Xc4Bb2bHf7PJqFFlPU7dh3tTXu2kviYmAjOcg2N-Vr8EdiYyodsDMLzbaYOpvNILmL7UjBxve3YfRUSqNc2nfmZ4Cy_q7pLWPilxUXtxrx4vo4M-dfAcULgKsE8_NnuNvtr00WbL9PrYmY2F2wODHiCcoEEtP9Htam-q4QtvbEtvHK-74Ej9_ndTlFnJw.OU_xjilHt6Y8TalD7k99IFI6xJJ3D3ZfLW17bksrrrw&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;hvadid=778077574248&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvexpln=67&amp;hvlocphy=9060351&amp;hvnetw=g&amp;hvocijid=2134011542470597080--&amp;hvqmt=e&amp;hvrand=2134011542470597080&amp;hvtargid=kwd-2460680050021&amp;hydadcr=20364_13639485&amp;keywords=born+to+flourish+book&amp;mcid=78f677841744347794a3168582b0c1fa&amp;qid=1788969739&amp;sr=8-1" data-airgap-id="18">Born to Flourish: How New Science and Ancient Wisdom Reveal a Simple Path to Thriving</a>, by Richard Davidson and Cortland Dahl (2026)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11252770/" data-airgap-id="19">Neurogenesis in the adult brain: death of a dogma</a>,&rdquo; by Charles Gordon Gross (Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 2000)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/the-book-of-neurogenesis" data-airgap-id="20">The book of neurogenesis</a>,&rdquo; by Matthew Sloan (Harvard Health Publishing, 2021)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26919273/" data-airgap-id="21">In pursuit of resilience: stress, epigenetics, and brain plasticity</a>,&rdquo; by Bruce McEwen (Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 2016)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014859117" data-airgap-id="22">The plasticity of well-being: A training-based framework for the cultivation of human flourishing</a>,&rdquo; by Cortland Dahl, Christine Wilson-Mendenhall, and Richard Davidson (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2020)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.070039597" data-airgap-id="23">Navigation-related structural change in the hippocampi of taxi drivers</a>,&rdquo; by Eleanor Maguire, David Gadian, Ingrid Johnsrude, Catriona Good, John Ashburner, Richard Frackowiak, and Christopher Frith (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2000)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.2412" data-airgap-id="24">Training induces changes in white-matter architecture</a>,&rdquo; by Jan Scholz, Miriam Klein, Timothy Behrens, and Heidi Johansen-Berg (Nature Neuroscience, 2009)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0407401101" data-airgap-id="25">Long-term meditators self-induce high-amplitude gamma synchrony during mental practice</a>,&rdquo; by Antoine Lutz, Lawrence Greischar, Nancy B. Rawlings, Matthieu Ricard, Richard Davidson (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2004)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36387982/" data-airgap-id="26">A Randomized Controlled Trial of a Smartphone-Based Well-Being Training in Public School System Employees During the COVID-19 Pandemic</a>,&rdquo; by Matthew Hirshberg, Corrina Frye, Cortland Dahl, Kevin Riordan, Nathan Vack, Jane Sachs, Robin Goldman, Richard Davidson, and Simon B Goldberg (Journal of Educational Psychology, 2022)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23000783/" data-airgap-id="27">Altered anterior insula activation during anticipation and experience of painful stimuli in expert meditators</a>,&rdquo; by Antoine Lutz, Daniel McFarlin, David Perlman, Tim Salomons, and Richard Davidson (Neuroimage, 2013)</li>
<li><a href="https://apple.co/4irVVDP" data-airgap-id="28">Healthy Minds Program</a> (meditation app)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022440521000881" data-airgap-id="29">Integrating mindfulness and connection practices into preservice teacher education results in durable automatic race bias reductions</a>,&rdquo; by Matthew Hirshberg, Lisa Flook, Evan Moss, Robert Enright, and Richard Davidson (Journal of School Psychology, 2022)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12971069/" data-airgap-id="30">Sitting and Active Meditation Practice: Utilization and Associations with Outcomes in Naturalistic and Clinical Trial Data</a>,&rdquo; by Simon B Goldberg, Zishan Jiwani, Cortland J Dahl, Raquel Tatar, John D Dunne, Richard J Davidson, Matthew J Hirshberg (Mindfulness, 2026)</li>
</ul>
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Related Episodes:
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/the-happiness-lab-with-dr-laurie-santos/how-to-find-your-purpose" data-airgap-id="31">How to Find Your Purpose</a>&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/the-happiness-lab-with-dr-laurie-santos/the-power-of-awe-and-where-to-find-it" data-airgap-id="32">The Power of Awe&hellip; and Where to Find It</a>&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/the-happiness-lab-with-dr-laurie-santos/happiness-lessons-of-the-ancients-socrates-and-self-knowledge" data-airgap-id="33">Happiness Lessons of The Ancients: Socrates and Self-Knowledge</a>&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/the-happiness-lab-with-dr-laurie-santos/how-to-adopt-a-growth-mindset" data-airgap-id="34">How to Adopt a Growth Mindset</a>&rdquo;</li>
</ul>

The Happiness Lab is serving up scientifically-backed takes this summer that are so hot, even your SPF 50 won’t protect you.

With the help of behavioral scientists, historians, and cultural critics, Yale psychologist Dr. Laurie Santos challenges some of our biggest assumptions about what it takes to live a good life. Dr. Laurie explores topics like why we should forget about TMI and lean into oversharing, how dumping small talk makes for better conversations, why the kids these days are actually doing just fine, and how men can establish strong bromances. Each episode unpacks a bold, counterintuitive claim — using research, data, and expert insight to question the conventional wisdom around happiness and wellbeing.

The Happiness Lab is serving up scientifically-backed takes this summer that are so hot, even your SPF 50 won&rsquo;t protect you.
With the help of behavioral scientists, historians, and cultural critics, Yale psychologist Dr. Laurie Santos challenges some of our biggest assumptions about what it takes to live a good life. Dr. Laurie explores topics like why we should forget about TMI and lean into oversharing, how dumping small talk makes for better conversations, why the kids these days are actually doing just fine, and how men can establish strong bromances. Each episode unpacks a bold, counterintuitive claim &mdash;&nbsp;using research, data, and expert insight to question the conventional wisdom around happiness and wellbeing.

The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

A Neuroscientist’s Guide to Changing Your Brain with Dr. Richard Davidson

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