Hank Haney reacts to the potential changes that could be coming on the PGA TOUR and brings up Lucas Glover's latest comments about the possibility of the overhaul.
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H m hmm. All right. Welcome to the Hank Hany Podcast, brought to you by Haniuniversity dot com. You can go to Haniuniversity dot com and find out information about my new online lesson series that is getting ready to start. We are working on it as we speak. And this is something that I have been thinking about for quite some time and a testing wanted to make sure that I could create the kind of results that I want with online teaching without being with someone in person. Obviously, if I am with you for an in person golf lesson, I feel like we will get you to where you want to go. The question is can I do that make significant progress if I'm not there with you in person. And I have tested this out for quite some time now and come to the conclusion that yes, I can. So the online lesson series is going to start. It's going to involve video lessons, me analyzing your videos, and also some online FaceTime kind of zoom type of lessons situation where I can do everything but put my hands on you and show you exactly what the feel is supposed to be. But I feel like we can get there and get the results we want. So here we go with the online lessons. It'll be coming up shortly. We're working on the site as we speak, and I'm looking forward to helping even more people. I've had a lot of people that have asked about this, so it's finally something that I'm going to do, all right. Today's podcast is going to address the changes that are happening on the PGA tour. Now. This is something that I talked about a couple weeks ago. This doesn't have to do with the Public Investment Fund. That's a whole other subject I want to get into, because there's kind of some interesting news on that front as well. And part of it was that Donald Trump when he was at the UFC fight, was sitting next to the head of the Public Investment Fund, and that was interesting at Madison Square Garden, and especially since Donald Trump had also played golf with Jay Monahan, the commissioner of the PGA Tour, days prior to that. So he had made the comment that he could put that deal together with the public investment from the PGA Tour in fifteen minutes. And it looks like he's trying to do something, trying to broker some kind of a deal there. But the thing I want to talk about today are these changes that the PGA Tour is making for next round. They've been going about some changes the last few years, and they're all about trying to make the product better. Obviously, when Live Gooff came on the scene, the landscape changed. The PJ Tour is not the only game in town. You know, they're still the best game in town, but they were not the only game in town. And anytime you have competition, you're going to have competition for everything, for sponsors, for eyeballs, for well, the eyeballs on the tournament is what really drives the whole thing. And I mean, if you had one league where you had five leagues. I mean, I don't think if you have five leagues, you're going to have five times the amount of more hours people spend watching golf. People are only going to watch so much golf. So competition is definitely cutting into the PGA Tour. There's no doubt about that. They're trying to make changes to keep the players that they have happy, and the whole thing is just kind of flipped around for years and years and years, and I talked about this a couple weeks ago. For years and years, the PGA Tour's mission and the commissioner's compensation package to a certain extent, was driven by this. Their whole deal was try to create more opportunities for players, and they did that by virtually having a tournament every week and having no off season and just keep pushing. If they could find a sponsor, they're going to have a tournament, and then making the fields as big as they could possibly get them to give more players an opportunity to play. That was their whole deal. We're gonna have more opportunities for place. Well, when the liv Goolf came along and all these players were jumping for the big money, and that's you know, I mean, everybody knows that's why they left. They left to make more money, and I certainly don't blame them. But when they left for more money, they PGA Tour decided, well, we've got to we've got to come up with more money for the players that are staying, and we got to make things better for the guys that are at the top. Now, for years, it was let's make it better for the guys that are at the bottom trying to get on the PGA Tour, and then all of a sudden it changed and it became okay, now, let's make it better for the guys that are that are at the top. And these are the changes that they've they've made. You know, the competition has them to come up with and try to come up with ways to make their product better. And they think they're making it now I think it needs a whole reboot. I mean, I think it needs a whole reboot. But here's some of the changes that they come up. But first off, they came up with their FedEx Cup points distribution. Starting in twenty twenty five, will be awarding more points to second place and decreasing points from eleventh place on down and then for signature events the decrease starts after the seventh place finish, so they're there once again. They're coming up with ways to reward the best players on the PGA Tour, not so much given money down below, but take some money away from down below and put it up top. Is This has been there because, like I said, I said in a previous podcast that they've only got so much money. They can up with all this money to increase the persons on the PGA Tour. This last year with their signature events, they didn't have that money. I mean they said they didn't have it, and then all of a sudden they came up with it and they you know, took it out of somewhere. Who knows where they took it out of. But they don't have an endless supply of money. Even with the investments that they've taken in and the you know, private equity they brought in, they don't have an endless stream of money. They're going to have issues with their television contracts because they're not producing the kind of numbers that they have in the past, and certainly not the numbers that they did when they had tiger Woods in the mix all the time and drawing the huge audience outside of golf that he drew to the to the sport. So things have things have drastically changed. So now they've got to they got to figure out ways to pay the top players more, but somehow have a budget that's sustainable and that's that's kind of where they are. So so this is another way to do it is just give more points to the top players and fewer points to the bottom players. Another way that they're doing is they're reducing the size of the fields and they're going to reduce the fields down so that the field sizes are one hundred and twenty players before daylight savings time. Then it goes to one hundred and thirty two players and then a maximum one hundred and forty four players in the summertime. And this is something that they have said is being addressed because of their slow play issue. They're trying to make their product better and one of the ways they think they can make their product better is to eliminate slow play. Now, you know slow play, that'll make the product better. They shouldn't take forever to play, but when you watch on television, they don't show the guys standing over the shot, you know, waiting for five minutes. I mean, they go show you another hole, they show you another player. I mean when you go to a tournament and watch, you're out there for a long time. It's a long day. You know, l iv Is is shotgun start, which they get, you know, ripped for having a shotgun start. But they're on and off the course, you know, practice range and golf course and everything. It's a it's a four or five hour deal and they're done. PGA Tours is it's a you know, seven in the morning till you know eight at night thing. It's a thirteen hour deal, and it's it's it's quite a difference in terms of the amount of time that the fans are there, and it's a and it's a lot of time that's spent covering it too, because they're you know, they're going to have some kind of online coverage or television coverage while everybody is on the golf course. No, it's just it's a lot longer deal. Now cutting down the field from you know one fifty six to one forty four or you know, in the in the summertime, I mean you're cutting down twelve players. I mean, that is that really going to do. I mean, the only thing that's going to do is is they go off the front nine in the back nine. On the PGA Tour, you know, if you play on Thursdays in the morning, you'll play on Fridays in the afternoon. It's to you know, make it hopefully fair in terms of the time of day you're playing. How the greens are. You know, if you're out there in the morning, you got nicer greens than you have in the afternoon. And maybe it's I don't know, wind you're in the morning, or winter you're in the afternoon and colmer in the morning, and you try to even it out a little bit, or you know, guys don't like to get up or guys do like to get up early. I mean, it's it's how they've always done it. But when you play in the in the morning or the afternoon, they go off both nines, front nine and back nine. And typically on the PGA Tour, what happens is when you come around, you're waiting for the group. There's there's a group on the tee and you got to wait and and that's that's not a you know, that's not an ideal situation. Now, is this going to make the players play faster? And is that going to make the product a lot better? Yeah? I don't. I mean, slow plays an issue, but the PGA Tour has a lot of issues, and and uh, professional golf has a lot of issues, and slow play is one of their issues. But that isn't that that's not going to that's not going to drive the financial success of this whole thing. So so this, this proposal had a a lot of talk that went around it, you know, and and a lot of criticism before it it got voted on and and and the bottom line is is and this is just life in general. I mean, everybody is going to tell you what is best for them. I mean, I you know, I see this all the time. I mean, you know, you ask a family, you know, about anything, any subject, and they're going to tell you what's best for them. You know, I think you should do this. And whenever they think you should do this, it's because this is better for them. When you look at a country club board, you know, country club members that serve on the board of the country club, I mean they get on there and they promote their own agenda. What do they think would be better for them? That's just human nature. So these boards that have existed on the PGA Tour for a long time, the top players, they would rather not sit on the board because typically when guys are on the board, their time that they spend on the board is taken away from their golf and they don't want it. They don't want anything to do with it. You know, I toll on tour for thirty five years, so I've tolt over two hundred touring bros. So I mean, I hear all these common stations over the years. I heard them all. I heard people talk about this, talk about that, and you know the consensus of the PGA Tour members is that it doesn't matter what we say. They're just going to do whatever they want to do. Anyways, now that may or may not be the case. The BJ Tour will tell you something totally different. They'll tell you all the players get to the side, But nobody on tour really really really believes that. So they've got different players representing different situations. There's the PGA Tour Player Advisory Council, which is sixteen players, and most of these guys, you you know. Some of them, you know, some of them you don't. I mean there are names you've heard. I mean, Sam Burns, Lanto Griffin, Nick Hardy, Brian Harmon, Max Homer, Mackenzie Hughes, Maverick McNeely, Keith Mitchell, Seema's Power. And then you got Dottie Scheffler in there. You got Adam Shank, you got Kevin Streelman, Nick Taylor, Josh Teeter, Justin Thomas, and Camillo Villa Jagas. Okay, those are your sixteen. And he got some big names in there. Obviously, no bigger name than Scotti. Scheffler, and Justin Thomas is a big name, and they you know, they they've been around. Brian Harmon's won a major championship, but he's, you know, he's a kind of a journeyman player, been out there forever, that won a major. You know, there's tour winners on that and that group, and they're trying to do what they think is best for the PGA Tour, and I'm sure they're also trying to do what they think is best for themselves to a certain extent. So they make this some kind of a recommendation, and then it goes to the Tour Policy Board. Tour Policy Board then then votes on this stuff. And the Tour Policy Board has has certain players on it. It's got Kamilla vij Vegas, uh, Patrick Antley, Peter Melnotty, Adam Scott, web Simpson and Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods, you know, went on that board. Now he'd never been on a board before, but he went on there. But now, when Tiger's on the board, you got to you know, my thinking is is that I can't I can't imagine anybody's going to say anything that's gonna go against what Tiger says. I mean, I like, if Tiger's on the board, you pretty much have one guy on the board. I mean that's I mean, I'm sure there's somebody that's strong enough to say something to him, But how many guys are gonna going to vote against him? I don't know. I mean that would be a pretty uh, pretty iffy proposition. Now, once they decide what they're going to do this, it goes to the Tour Policy Board and then they've got some businessmen in there, and uh, you know, they got the players that I mentioned, but then they've got you know, the commissioner. Okay, and you know, so the commissioner when he appoints his board, I mean, you would think logic would say he's going to appoint people that he thinks like think like he does on the key subjects. So all these kind of votes, I mean, aren't they kind of rigged to a certain extent. I mean, you know, you know, you got a board of players and they kind of recommend something, and then the board votes. But the board, you know, you just if you're the commissioner and you got a certain view of how you think things should go, I mean, don't you kind of lign your board with guys that you know, Okay, well I got this guy's vote, and I got this guy's vote, and I got this guy's vote, and I mean logic would say that's that's kind of the case when I say this, the players haven't really agreed with a lot of stuff they've done. But are we talking about the top players? Are we talking about the bottom players?
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The bottom players feel like they're getting screwed on this deal because they're they're losing playing spots with this this whole New New Tour alignment thing. And one of the most outspoken people and he's not speaking just for himself. He's speaking for a lot of people. Has been Lucas Glover, and he he had some really critical things to say. He said, first off, he called these meetings that they're having the cool kid meeting. Now. Lucas Glover is a you know, a forty five year old six time winner on the PGA Tour. He won a couple times last year. He won the Windham Championship in the PGA, the FedEx Saint Jude Championship to begin the playoffs last year when he got his putting organized with the Lab Golf Putter and conquered the Yips for at least that period of time and putted great. And one of these turn has always been a good ball striker. He's toured the back end of his career. He's in that stage where you know, he's in between, you know, being competitive on the PGA Tour and you know, getting ready for the champions Tour and playing out there. We'd like to play on the PGA Tour as long as he could, because the money is better on the PGA Tour, and the notoriety's better on the PGA Tour, and it's more fun on the PGA Tour. You get to play in front of fans. And you know he's forty five years old. So how do you think he's gonna feel. He's going to feel like, what would be best for me, and what's best for him is is not more money for the players at the top, but more money for the players at the middle and the bottom, and not fewer playing spots, but more playing spots. Of course he's gonna of course he's gonna think like that. It would be one one thing if you had like a top five player and he was battling out for more playing spots at the bottom and more cash at the bottom, or you had a bottom tier player battling out and making his voice heard for more money for the top players at the top and fewer playing spots. But you never see that. You're never going to. So I always take all these opinions with like a grain of salt. Everybody's opinion is based on what is best for them, And I mean I see the same thing. It's everywhere in life. I mean I see it in kids hockey. You know, everybody tells you, everybody tells you what they think, you know, a team should do, or a coach should do, or a organization should do. And every single time it's like what would be best for them, and then that's their opinion. Their opinion is strictly based on what would be best for them, not what would be best for you know, this group of players or that group of players, or it's just like what would be best human nature, that's what it is. Lucas Glover thought this whole thing was terrible. He said, he'd taken you know, he says, it's terrible, he says, and they're hiding behind pace of play, which is just which is just what I said a couple of weeks ago, I said, I said, they they're talking about reducing the size of the fields because of pace of play. I said this exactly. I mean, when I saw that, he said this, like we oh, I mean, it's it's one hundred percent true. They they don't care about pace of play. If they cared about pace of play, they would have fixed it. Okay, there's plenty of ways to fix pace of play. Number one. All you gotta do is just start doling out penalty strokes and you'll fix that pace of play in a heartbeat. But they never did. They gave out little bit. He fines, if you got x amount of times bad and nobody cares about the fines, and they just kept playing on it, kept playing on slow. And now they they're hide behind pace of play and to make these changes and to make the field smaller. And the players that are at the bottom or trying to get on the tour and they're they're all all pissed off, but they don't have me say because the reason i't me say is because if if more top players would have jumped ship, you know, the PGA Tour, which is already not in a great state, would have been you know, hurting Eve even even more. I mean, all this just came at just a terrible time. And at the terrible time is you know, Tiger not playing. That's what happened. I mean, golf went from the biggest boom to you know, Tiger's gone, and then all of a sudden you got l I V And then the whole thing just just got sideways in a hurry, and somehow it needs to get get back straightened out. Now, knocking the field sizes down, giving a few more points to the top players playing faster, I mean, is that gonna fix it? I mean, I mean now Obviously there's other discussions going on, but the real thing that's gonna change for the positive is when they come to some agreement with the Public Investment Fund and they figure out how golf is going to look in the future and talking about like the world wide scene and how they can get these players back together and playing playing together. And it's already starting to happen now with the with the the European Tour, the DP World Tour, because they they've somehow they've figured it out, and you know, everybody's paid their fine and uh, you know Garcia and and John Rahm and and uh you know, Patrick Reid's part of the group on the you know, and Terrell Hatton and all these guys that paid their fine and they're all, you know, coming back to play in certain events on the DP World Tour. And it's like the you know, two year ago, you know, where everybody's banned and fined, and which was a terrible mistake that they made the DP World Tour to do that in the first place. But now they're you know, things are things, So things are starting to move, things are starting to move in the right right direction. But in the meantime, what the PGA Tours done. Is they're they're cutting down their field sides, and they're cutting down the amount of players. You know, they're they're gonna have. You know, it used to be the top one twenty five was the number that was up, you know, and now it's going to go down to one hundred, so you got one hundred players they're going to keep their playing card now. Years and years ago, it was sixty. You know, you had you had to finish top sixty on the tour. This is you know, back in the uh you know, I think it was the eighties or something. You had to fit, you had to be in the top sixty. And then it went to like one twenty five, you know, to play in tour events, it's only sixty guys round. And then they had these big qualifyings on Mondays and you'd qualified, you have to go to Monday qualifyings and get in on the tournament. And there was you know, guys travel all over the tour and just play one round of golf and if you make it on Monday, you get in the tournament. If you don't make it on Monday, you're you're, you know, onto the next Monday. Try to qualify there. So they made it then to one to twenty five. Now they're going back to to one hundred players to get it's gonna be it's going to be very, very difficult to keep your card on the PGA Tour now that. The positive to that is is you're going to have, you know, fresh players coming in there. Guys are going to be dropping out, Guys are going to be coming back, Guys are going to be fighting to get back. New players are going to be coming in. You know. The negative part is is you know, you're you're going to have this continual influx of new players, and you know, it's going to be harder for people to get to know players if they're not out there very long. And considering the fact that fifty percent of the tour you know, on average, has turned over every five years, meaning that if there's one hundred and twenty five guys on the PGA Tour that are exempt, fifty percent of those guys would not be there in five years. They wouldn't see their name go go on the top one twenty five FedEx Cup list, pick out the top one twenty five any year, going back any year and look five years later and to tell me how many players there are there, and it'll be it's going to be about fifty percent. Half the guys will be gone. So the career on a PGA tours is you know, for some players it's really long. There's guys that play out there for a long long time. But there're but average fifty percent turns over every every five years. So there's a lot of guys that aren't out there very long that you know, guys that are out there for one year or two years or three years or you know, it's it's not h it's not a long term deal. Now, it's the same thing in all sport leagues. I mean there's guys that you know making the NFL and they're gone in a year, gone in two years, or you know, the running backs don't play very long, they run out of steam, they get hurt, whatever. So so this is not unusual to sports. But but when you have fewer spots you're gonna have, you're gonna have more more turnover, and it's just the you know, the fact of the matter. But I think there's too many players now. People argue and say, I hear them on the radio talking about this guy, you know, but once again, consider the source. You consider the guys that are talking. You got you got journeyman guys doing radio shows, that are guys that you know, were you know, want to be on the tour, but you know, uh maybe couldn't never make it. And you know, they're they're the champion of the of the under They're the champion of the of the little guy. That's what they are. And you know what about the little guy? And and I'm thinking, you know, what about what about the superstars? You know, what about the star player. I've taught both my I've taught. I've taught both. In my career, I've taught. I have taught more guys trying to get on the tour than I have guys that have, you know, made it to the Hall of Fame. I've taught a lot of Hall of famers too, But but I I've taught more guys that try to you know, trying to get on the tour. And you know, my affinity, to be honest with you, has always been towards the best. Like I think the best deserve more. I I That's what I think. And I think that professional golfers at the top, you know, deserve and have deserved too to make more money. That's that's that's my opinion. That's where I you know, it's just it's my it's all. It is an opinion. Everybody's got an opinion. That's mine. But that's that's how I'm not you know, I'm not against the underdog guy. I'm cheering for the underdog guy. I hope the underdog guy makes it. I think it's it's sometimes you get some great underdog stories, but if that's all you have is underdog stories, I don't. I don't think that that moves a needle as much as you know, greatness moves the needle. Greatness always moves the needle. Underdog give everybody a chance. You know, everybody gets a trophy that does not move the needle. The needle gets moved with greatness. And and I'm typically always in the favor of greatness. So I think these changes that that the Tours made, UH are good. I hope it if it gets slow play going better, but I'm not under any illusion that it is. Until they start giving out penalties, it's not gonna not gonna make a difference. And I don't think this had anything to do with slow play. I think this has everything to do. I agree with what Lucas Glover said. I mean this, you know he's he said, they're there and he said they're in insulting his intelligence bye by saying that this is all about slow play. He said, he said, they think we're stupid, and I don't. You know, Well here's the thing, they're not stupid. And uh, you know they tried to pull it over on you. But this is about get given the top guys a better a better go. That's just that's that's the bottom line. And you know, whether or not this little change really has much of an effect, we'll see whether or not the product gets better. You know, you cut the field down and and now you got you know, and I heard I did hear this on you know Cold Notes was talking about this on the RADI he said, like whoever said or Drew Stoltz one of them, but they said, you know, whoever thought, you know, this is going to be a better term because there's fewer players. I mean, how does fewer players make a better tournament? But but if if you can only fit so many guys on the golf course, so you know, you gotta be cognizant of how are we going to get all these players around the course, but having fewer guys, and then you have a cut and then half the guys don't make it. It just that's that's where it gets hard, especially when you don't have that many great names to begin with. And that's the real, real bottom line. But I don't I don't think they've cut the number down, you know, so much that that's going to make a big difference. And you know, they cutting a little out of the budget at the bottom to put some money at the top. That's what they're doing. And they but you know what, they had no choice. What else are they going to do? You know, because when they first started this whole deal, they said, oh, we're just going to raise the purses and they said, well, how are you going to pay for this? Well, we're going to get the sponsors to pay more. And the sponsors didn't want to pay more, and they said, you know what, why are we paying more? The product's worse and we're paying more. And then no, no, no, we're not going to do that. Okay, you know what, we better, we better come with the next Plan B. And this is part of Plan B. But the plan that really they need to be working on is Plan A, and Plan A is figuring out how to restructure professional golf in general and get it, get it so that it is a much better product than what it currently is. And the only way that's going to happen is if Live and the PGA Tour come together and they come up with some kind of big master plan that makes goff a worldwide game and the best players are playing together more often, not less often, and that is hopefully gonna happen. So we're going to be talking about that in a podcast to come up. Hope everybody enjoyed the podcast. Hit the follow button on the iHeartRadio app wherever you get your podcasts. 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