Dave and Licia Radford constitute the husband-wife duo, The Gray Havens. Their upcoming album, Blue Flower, is inspired by C. S. Lewis's autobiography, Surprised by Joy and explores "inconsolable longing" and every human's homesickness for a place they've never been. Most of the album's songs are available on Spotify.

In this episode, Dave Radford and Jonathan Rogers talk about the ways that joy is both a spur and a guide for creative work. You might also check out the Blue Flower Podcast, in which Dave talks through the origins of each song on the album.

Dave and Licia Radford constitute the husband-wife duo, <a href="https://www.thegrayhavensmusic.com/">The Gray Havens</a>. Their upcoming album, Blue Flower, is inspired by C. S. Lewis's autobiography, Surprised by Joy and explores "inconsolable longing" and every human's homesickness for a place they've never been. Most of the album's songs are available on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/4P6370QMeannEM8wXtlJBS?si=71oktpxvTqmxmFnitqp-9g&amp;dl_branch=1">Spotify</a>.
In this episode, Dave Radford and Jonathan Rogers talk about the ways that joy is both a spur and a guide for creative work. You might also check out the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0cPMszWwNARnr5fh7uYLuW?si=pGpmLWzrSLyy7AWlj7vgjw&amp;nd=1">Blue Flower Podcast</a>, in which Dave talks through the origins of each song on the album.

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Wesley Vander Lugt  is a pastor, theologian, writer, teacher, nonprofit leader, and arts advocate with a passion for beauty, slowness, cultivation, and kinship. He currently works as the Acting Director of the Leighton Ford Center for Theology, the Arts, and Gospel Witness and is Adjunct Professor of Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte. He is also the Co-Founder of Kinship Plot, a community of learning and practice imagining and embodying resonant relationships of every kind. His new book is Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith that Breathes. In this episode, Wes and Jonathan Rogers discuss just how necessary beauty is.

This episode originally aired in June of 2024.

Wesley Vander Lugt&nbsp; is a pastor, theologian, writer, teacher, nonprofit leader, and arts advocate with a passion for beauty, slowness, cultivation, and kinship. He currently works as the Acting Director of the Leighton Ford Center for Theology, the Arts, and Gospel Witness and is Adjunct Professor of Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte. He is also the Co-Founder of Kinship Plot, a community of learning and practice imagining and embodying resonant relationships of every kind. His new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/beauty-is-oxygen-finding-a-faith-that-breathes-wesley-vander-lugt/21003366?ean=9780802883254">Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith that Breathes</a>. In this episode, Wes and Jonathan Rogers discuss just how necessary beauty is.
This episode originally aired in June of 2024.

Wesley Vander Lugt Breathes Beauty (from the Archives)

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Becca Jordan has referred to herself as a wandering songbird. She’s a singer-songwriter, a writer of essays, and a worship leader in Nashville. She is also working on a Masters Degree in Theopoetics. Becca was our guest at The Habit’s 2026 Winter Writer’s Weekend. The theme of that weekend was “Adding to the Glory.” Becca is an artist who has put a lot of glory into the world in a lot of different ways, so she seemed like an obvious fit. This conversation was recorded in front of a roomful of writers. In this episode, Becca and Jonathan Rogers talk about glory, longing, and related topics.

<a href="https://www.beccajordanmusic.com/">Becca Jordan</a> has referred to herself as a wandering songbird. She&rsquo;s a singer-songwriter, <a href="https://beccajordan.substack.com/">a writer of essays</a>, and a worship leader in Nashville. She is also working on a Masters Degree in Theopoetics. Becca was our guest at The Habit&rsquo;s 2026 Winter Writer&rsquo;s Weekend. The theme of that weekend was &ldquo;Adding to the Glory.&rdquo; Becca is an artist who has put a lot of glory into the world in a lot of different ways, so she seemed like an obvious fit. This conversation was recorded in front of a roomful of writers. In this episode, Becca and Jonathan Rogers talk about glory, longing, and related topics.

Becca Jordan Adds Glory to the World

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Curt Thompson is a psychiatrist, a speaker, and the author of several books–most recently, The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope. In this episode, Curt and Jonathan Rogers talk about what it means to be hospitable to your own suffering, engaging suffering as the way of redemption, and the role of storytelling in mental and spiritual health.

This episode originally ran in August 2023.

Curt Thompson is a psychiatrist, a speaker, and the author of several books&ndash;most recently, <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-deepest-place-suffering-and-the-formation-of-hope-curt-thompson/19235737?ean=9780310366478">The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope</a>. In this episode, Curt and Jonathan Rogers talk about what it means to be hospitable to your own suffering, engaging suffering as the way of redemption, and the role of storytelling in mental and spiritual health.
This episode originally ran in August 2023.

Curt Thompson Goes to the Deepest Place (from the Archives)

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