Scott Sauls is the author of books, most recently The Mercy King: How the Kindness of Jesus Heals Your Sin, Shame, and Weakness. In this conversation, Scott Sauls and Jonathan Rogers talk about our tendency to confuse being useful with being lovable. They also talk about the dangers of comparison and the value of restlessness.

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