Lisa Deam is an art historian and the author of 3,000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for Spiritual Seekers. (She also blogs at The Contemplative Writer.)

In this episode, Lisa and Jonathan discuss the process of writing as a pilgrimage, the human desire to leave signposts for those who come after us, the infamous “long middle” of the writing journey, and the instructive power of inefficiency.

<a href="http://lisadeam.com/">Lisa Deam</a> is an art historian and the author of <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781506461632">3,000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for Spiritual Seekers</a>. (She also blogs at <a href="https://thecontemplativewriter.com/">The Contemplative Writer</a>.)
In this episode, Lisa and Jonathan discuss the process of writing as a pilgrimage, the human desire to leave signposts for those who come after us, the infamous &ldquo;long middle&rdquo; of the writing journey, and the instructive power of inefficiency.

Conversations with writers about writing, hosted by Jonathan Rogers.

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Bethaney B. Wilkinson is a writer, spiritual director, podcaster, and facilitator who is passionate about slow, sustainable, and soul-nourishing living. Her new book is A More Beautiful Way to Live: Nine Practices to Unlearn Habits of Anxiety, Fear, and Urgency. In this episode, Bethaney and Jonathan Roger talk about tending to your inner terrain, paying attention to your longings while also paying attention to realities and limitations, and the difference between your sphere of influence and your sphere of concern.

Bethaney B. Wilkinson is a writer, spiritual director, podcaster, and facilitator who is passionate about slow, sustainable, and soul-nourishing living. Her new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/a-more-beautiful-way-to-live-nine-practices-to-unlearn-habits-of-anxiety-fear-and-urgency-bethaney-b-wilkinson/72512d28b2198be0?ean=9781587436581&amp;next=t">A More Beautiful Way to Live: Nine Practices to Unlearn Habits of Anxiety, Fear, and Urgency</a>. In this episode, Bethaney and Jonathan Roger talk about tending to your inner terrain, paying attention to your longings while also paying attention to realities and limitations, and the difference between your sphere of influence and your sphere of concern.

Bethaney Wilkinson's More Beautiful Way to Live

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Wesley Vander Lugt  is a pastor, theologian, writer, teacher, nonprofit leader, and arts advocate with a passion for beauty, slowness, cultivation, and kinship. He currently works as the Acting Director of the Leighton Ford Center for Theology, the Arts, and Gospel Witness and is Adjunct Professor of Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte. He is also the Co-Founder of Kinship Plot, a community of learning and practice imagining and embodying resonant relationships of every kind. His new book is Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith that Breathes. In this episode, Wes and Jonathan Rogers discuss just how necessary beauty is.

This episode originally aired in June of 2024.

Wesley Vander Lugt&nbsp; is a pastor, theologian, writer, teacher, nonprofit leader, and arts advocate with a passion for beauty, slowness, cultivation, and kinship. He currently works as the Acting Director of the Leighton Ford Center for Theology, the Arts, and Gospel Witness and is Adjunct Professor of Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte. He is also the Co-Founder of Kinship Plot, a community of learning and practice imagining and embodying resonant relationships of every kind. His new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/beauty-is-oxygen-finding-a-faith-that-breathes-wesley-vander-lugt/21003366?ean=9780802883254">Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith that Breathes</a>. In this episode, Wes and Jonathan Rogers discuss just how necessary beauty is.
This episode originally aired in June of 2024.

Wesley Vander Lugt Breathes Beauty (from the Archives)

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Becca Jordan has referred to herself as a wandering songbird. She’s a singer-songwriter, a writer of essays, and a worship leader in Nashville. She is also working on a Masters Degree in Theopoetics. Becca was our guest at The Habit’s 2026 Winter Writer’s Weekend. The theme of that weekend was “Adding to the Glory.” Becca is an artist who has put a lot of glory into the world in a lot of different ways, so she seemed like an obvious fit. This conversation was recorded in front of a roomful of writers. In this episode, Becca and Jonathan Rogers talk about glory, longing, and related topics.

<a href="https://www.beccajordanmusic.com/">Becca Jordan</a> has referred to herself as a wandering songbird. She&rsquo;s a singer-songwriter, <a href="https://beccajordan.substack.com/">a writer of essays</a>, and a worship leader in Nashville. She is also working on a Masters Degree in Theopoetics. Becca was our guest at The Habit&rsquo;s 2026 Winter Writer&rsquo;s Weekend. The theme of that weekend was &ldquo;Adding to the Glory.&rdquo; Becca is an artist who has put a lot of glory into the world in a lot of different ways, so she seemed like an obvious fit. This conversation was recorded in front of a roomful of writers. In this episode, Becca and Jonathan Rogers talk about glory, longing, and related topics.

Becca Jordan Adds Glory to the World

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