Lisa Deam is an art historian and the author of 3,000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for Spiritual Seekers. (She also blogs at The Contemplative Writer.)

In this episode, Lisa and Jonathan discuss the process of writing as a pilgrimage, the human desire to leave signposts for those who come after us, the infamous “long middle” of the writing journey, and the instructive power of inefficiency.

<a href="http://lisadeam.com/">Lisa Deam</a> is an art historian and the author of <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781506461632">3,000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for Spiritual Seekers</a>. (She also blogs at <a href="https://thecontemplativewriter.com/">The Contemplative Writer</a>.)
In this episode, Lisa and Jonathan discuss the process of writing as a pilgrimage, the human desire to leave signposts for those who come after us, the infamous &ldquo;long middle&rdquo; of the writing journey, and the instructive power of inefficiency.

Conversations with writers about writing, hosted by Jonathan Rogers.

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Daniel Nayeri’s latest novel—The Teacher of Nomad Land: A World War II Story—recently received the National Book Award for Young People’s Literature. In this episode Daniel speaks with Jonathan Rogers about Iran’s role in World War II, food writing, fathers, providence, the wisdom of children, and incompetent spies.

This episode is sponsored by The Habit Writer Development Cohorts, a six-week small-group intensive starting January 12. The Habit Writer Development Cohorts provide practical tools, insights, and encouragement that writers at all experience levels. 

Daniel Nayeri&rsquo;s latest novel&mdash;<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-teacher-of-nomad-land-a-world-war-ii-story-daniel-nayeri/d254bd270f6ddc78?ean=9781646145669&amp;next=t">The Teacher of Nomad Land: A World War II Story</a>&mdash;recently received the National Book Award for Young People&rsquo;s Literature. In this episode Daniel speaks with Jonathan Rogers about Iran&rsquo;s role in World War II, food writing, fathers, providence, the wisdom of children, and incompetent spies.
This episode is sponsored by <a href="TheHabit.co/Cohorts">The Habit Writer Development Cohorts</a>, a six-week small-group intensive starting January 12. The Habit Writer Development Cohorts provide practical tools, insights, and encouragement that writers at all experience levels.&nbsp;

Daniel Nayeri on The Teacher of Nomad Land

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You probably know Sally Lloyd-Jones as the author of the Jesus Storybook Bible, a book that has been around for almost twenty years. She has also published more than twenty other books for children, including Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing, His Royal Highness King Baby, and Skip to the Loo: A Potty Book. Her latest is Jesus, Our True Friend. Sally is committed to delight, and that makes her a delight herself. This is a delightful conversation between Sally Lloyd-Jones and Jonathan Rogers.

This episode is sponsored by The Habit Writer Development Cohorts. Join "Cohort Week Zero," a free mini-class, at TheHabit.co/Development.

You probably know Sally Lloyd-Jones as the author of the Jesus Storybook Bible, a book that has been around for almost twenty years. She has also published more than twenty other books for children, including Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing, His Royal Highness King Baby, and Skip to the Loo: A Potty Book. Her latest is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/jesus-our-true-friend-stories-to-fill-your-heart-with-joy-sally-lloyd-jones/d07b6811717f1ed2?ean=9780310160885&amp;next=t">Jesus, Our True Friend</a>. Sally is committed to delight, and that makes her a delight herself. This is a delightful conversation between Sally Lloyd-Jones and Jonathan Rogers.
This episode is sponsored by&nbsp;<a href="TheHabit.co/Cohorts">The Habit Writer Development Cohorts</a>. Join "Cohort Week Zero," a free mini-class, at <a href="TheHabit.co/Development">TheHabit.co/Development</a>.

Sally Lloyd-Jones on Delight

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Galahad and the Grail is Book 1 of Merlin’s Isle, Malcolm Guite’s retelling of the King Arthur legends in ballad form. It releases in March of 2026. In the prelude to Galahad and the Grail, a voice shimmering in the morning air says:

Poet, take up the tale–
Take up the tale the land still keeps,
In earth and water magic sleeps,
The dryad sighs, the naiad weeps,
But you can lift the veil.

Malcolm has taken up a very old tale and lifted the veil on stories that have lingered in the traditions of the British Isles longer than the English language itself. 

Scholar and teacher Junius Johnson is taking up the tale in another way. Starting in January 2026, Junius is teaching a 20-week online class on the King Arthur legend. He describes the class as a chance to see for yourself why this story has fascinated the imagination for so many centuries.

In this episode, Malcolm, Junius talk with Jonathan Rogers about how King Arthur rode into their lives, and what these stories have meant to them.

This episode is sponsored by The Habit Writer Development Cohorts. Join "Cohort Week Zero," a free mini-class, at TheHabit.co/Development.

<a href="https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/merlins-isle?_pos=1&amp;_psq=galahad&amp;_ss=e&amp;_v=1.0">Galahad and the Grail</a> is Book 1 of Merlin&rsquo;s Isle, Malcolm Guite&rsquo;s retelling of the King Arthur legends in ballad form. It releases in March of 2026. In the prelude to Galahad and the Grail, a voice shimmering in the morning air says:
Poet, take up the tale&ndash; Take up the tale the land still keeps, In earth and water magic sleeps, The dryad sighs, the naiad weeps, But you can lift the veil.
Malcolm has taken up a very old tale and lifted the veil on stories that have lingered in the traditions of the British Isles longer than the English language itself.&nbsp;
Scholar and teacher <a href="https://academics.juniusjohnson.com/">Junius Johnson</a> is taking up the tale in another way. Starting in January 2026, Junius is teaching <a href="https://academics.juniusjohnson.com/">a 20-week online class on the King Arthur legend</a>. He describes the class as a chance to see for yourself why this story has fascinated the imagination for so many centuries.
In this episode, Malcolm, Junius talk with Jonathan Rogers about how King Arthur rode into their lives, and what these stories have meant to them.
This episode is sponsored by <a href="TheHabit.co/Cohorts">The Habit Writer Development Cohorts</a>. Join "Cohort Week Zero," a free mini-class, at <a href="TheHabit.co/Development">TheHabit.co/Development</a>.

Malcolm Guite and Junius Johnson Take Up the Tale

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S3 E4: Lisa Deam

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