Besides being a bird enthusiast, Courtney Ellis is a pastor in Southern California, the author of several books, and the host of a podcast called The Thing with Feathers. Her new book is Looking Up: A Birder’s Guide to Hope through Grief. In this episode, Courtney and Jonathan Rogers talk about delight, presence, and cultivating attention. 

Besides being a bird enthusiast, Courtney Ellis is a pastor in Southern California, the author of several books, and the host of a podcast called <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-thing-with-feathers-birds-and-hope-with-courtney-ellis/id1666413692">The Thing with Feathers</a>. Her new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/looking-up-a-birder-s-guide-to-hope-through-grief-courtney-ellis/20713525?ean=9781514007167">Looking Up: A Birder’s Guide to Hope through Grief</a>. In this episode, Courtney and Jonathan Rogers talk about delight, presence, and cultivating attention.

Conversations with writers about writing, hosted by Jonathan Rogers.

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