What does it mean to spiral—and is it actually possible to find blessings amid devastating loss? On today’s episode of The Greg Laurie Show, Pastor Greg welcomes author and pastor Levi Lusko for an honest—and often humorous—conversation about grief, calling, leadership, and the surprising ways faith can sustain us through the worst life has to offer. 

Together, Pastor Greg and Levi trace their family’s intertwined journeys through ministry, loss, and redemption. From the nostalgia of swapping cassette tapes and youth ministry war stories to the raw pain of losing a child or parent, the two open up about suffering, resilience, and the pursuit of God’s purpose in real life. This conversation is both a balm for broken hearts and an encouragement for leaders, parents, or anyone wondering how to move forward when life gets overwhelming.

Find Levi’s book on loss, Through the Eyes of a Lion, here:

https://levilusko.com/through-the-eyes-of-a-lion. 

Check out Blessed are the Spiraling here:

 https://www.blessedarethespiraling.com/. 

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Want more from Greg Laurie? Visit:  

https://harvest.org/.

Find Pastor Greg on social media:

https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/

https://x.com/greglaurie

https://www.facebook.com/harvest.greglaurie

 

Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

 

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TIMESTAMPS: 

00:00 How a Missed Mentorship Changed Everything
02:33 First Meeting: From Fan to Friend
04:33 Youth Ministry: “If You Can Preach to Teens…”
06:38 Choosing Montana Over Harvest: Defining Your Calling
08:05 Walking Through Grief: The Loss of Christopher
12:05 “Seeing Through the Eyes of a Lion”: Lenya’s Legacy
14:09 Navigating Grief: Guilt, Healing, and Connection
16:33 Losing His Dad: “A Different Kind of Grief”
17:51 Writing About Pain: Impact Beyond Tragedy
18:25 “Success Builds Walls, Failure Builds Bridges”
21:44 How Personal Loss Changed Pastoral Ministry
22:09 Honoring Lost Loved Ones by Healing
23:50 Brokenness, Empathy, and Leadership Growth
24:20 Separating Grief: The Laundry Pile Analogy
26:14 Hope in Heartbreak: “They’re Not Lost If You Know Where They Are”
29:09 Parenting and Calling: Raising Kids in Ministry
31:09 Marriage & Hydration: Keeping Relationships Alive
32:27 “Intimacy Is Into-Me-You-See”: Wisdom for Newlyweds
35:20 Message Prep: Connections, Curiosity & “Move It or Lose It”
37:45 Preaching & Writing: The Unique Joys of Both
39:46 Writing Habits: Seinfeld, Deadlines, and Staying Creative
43:06 Staying Faithful: Why I Chose My Church Over Big Offers
45:23 New Book: “Blessed Are the Spiraling” and Midlife Crisis
47:38 From Fire to Significance: Shifting Life’s Focus
51:25 Movement Conference: Investing in the Next Generation
53:18 Learning to Champion Others, Not Compete
55:12 What’s Changed in Reaching Young People
58:16 “Make Your Bed”: Keystone Habits & Authentic Leadership
59:45 The Power of Challenge, Not Coddling
01:00:19 Last Meal? In-N-Out & Good Coffee
01:01:11 Movies, Heroes, and Becoming Yoda
01:02:19 Pulpit Bloopers: Unusual Booty and Other Slip-Ups
01:05:08 Hope, Legacy, and What’s Next

What does it mean to spiral&mdash;and is it actually possible to find blessings amid devastating loss? On today&rsquo;s episode of The Greg Laurie Show, Pastor Greg welcomes author and pastor Levi Lusko for an honest&mdash;and often humorous&mdash;conversation about grief, calling, leadership, and the surprising ways faith can sustain us through the worst life has to offer.&nbsp;
Together, Pastor Greg and Levi trace their family&rsquo;s intertwined journeys through ministry, loss, and redemption. From the nostalgia of swapping cassette tapes and youth ministry war stories to the raw pain of losing a child or parent, the two open up about suffering, resilience, and the pursuit of God&rsquo;s purpose in real life. This conversation is both a balm for broken hearts and an encouragement for leaders, parents, or anyone wondering how to move forward when life gets overwhelming.
Find Levi&rsquo;s book on loss, Through the Eyes of a Lion, here:
<a href="https://levilusko.com/through-the-eyes-of-a-lion">https://levilusko.com/through-the-eyes-of-a-lion</a>.&nbsp;
Check out Blessed are the Spiraling here:
&nbsp;<a href="https://www.blessedarethespiraling.com/">https://www.blessedarethespiraling.com/</a>.&nbsp;
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Want more from Greg Laurie? Visit:&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="https://harvest.org/">https://harvest.org/.</a>
Find Pastor Greg on social media:
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/">https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/</a>
<a href="https://x.com/greglaurie">https://x.com/greglaurie</a>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/harvest.greglaurie">https://www.facebook.com/harvest.greglaurie</a>
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Discover more Christian podcasts at <a href="https://www.lifeaudio.com/">lifeaudio.com</a> and inquire about advertising opportunities at <a href="https://www.lifeaudio.com/contact-us">lifeaudio.com/contact-us</a>.
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TIMESTAMPS: 
00:00 How a Missed Mentorship Changed Everything 02:33 First Meeting: From Fan to Friend 04:33 Youth Ministry: &ldquo;If You Can Preach to Teens&hellip;&rdquo; 06:38 Choosing Montana Over Harvest: Defining Your Calling 08:05 Walking Through Grief: The Loss of Christopher 12:05 &ldquo;Seeing Through the Eyes of a Lion&rdquo;: Lenya&rsquo;s Legacy 14:09 Navigating Grief: Guilt, Healing, and Connection 16:33 Losing His Dad: &ldquo;A Different Kind of Grief&rdquo; 17:51 Writing About Pain: Impact Beyond Tragedy 18:25 &ldquo;Success Builds Walls, Failure Builds Bridges&rdquo; 21:44 How Personal Loss Changed Pastoral Ministry 22:09 Honoring Lost Loved Ones by Healing 23:50 Brokenness, Empathy, and Leadership Growth 24:20 Separating Grief: The Laundry Pile Analogy 26:14 Hope in Heartbreak: &ldquo;They&rsquo;re Not Lost If You Know Where They Are&rdquo; 29:09 Parenting and Calling: Raising Kids in Ministry 31:09 Marriage &amp; Hydration: Keeping Relationships Alive 32:27 &ldquo;Intimacy Is Into-Me-You-See&rdquo;: Wisdom for Newlyweds 35:20 Message Prep: Connections, Curiosity &amp; &ldquo;Move It or Lose It&rdquo; 37:45 Preaching &amp; Writing: The Unique Joys of Both 39:46 Writing Habits: Seinfeld, Deadlines, and Staying Creative 43:06 Staying Faithful: Why I Chose My Church Over Big Offers 45:23 New Book: &ldquo;Blessed Are the Spiraling&rdquo; and Midlife Crisis 47:38 From Fire to Significance: Shifting Life&rsquo;s Focus 51:25 Movement Conference: Investing in the Next Generation 53:18 Learning to Champion Others, Not Compete 55:12 What&rsquo;s Changed in Reaching Young People 58:16 &ldquo;Make Your Bed&rdquo;: Keystone Habits &amp; Authentic Leadership 59:45 The Power of Challenge, Not Coddling 01:00:19 Last Meal? In-N-Out &amp; Good Coffee 01:01:11 Movies, Heroes, and Becoming Yoda 01:02:19 Pulpit Bloopers: Unusual Booty and Other Slip-Ups 01:05:08 Hope, Legacy, and What&rsquo;s Next

Everyone talks about life after death, but what about life during life? Do you wonder, 'Why am I here? How can I be truly happy? Does my life matter, or why do I feel empty inside?' And, 'What really happens when I die?' Pastor Greg Laurie has helped millions find profound hope through true faith.

On the "The Greg Laurie Show," Pastor Greg brings insight to Scripture, a deep dive into real cultural issues, and special guest interviews with trusted Christian voices with a variety of life experiences that will help you make sense of life. 

Want more from Greg Laurie? Visit https://harvest.org/. 
Find Pastor Greg on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/ 

Everyone talks about life after death, but what about life during life? Do you wonder, 'Why am I here? How can I be truly happy? Does my life matter, or why do I feel empty inside?' And, 'What really happens when I die?' Pastor Greg Laurie has helped millions find profound hope through true faith.
On the "The Greg Laurie Show," Pastor Greg brings insight to Scripture, a deep dive into real cultural issues, and special guest interviews with trusted Christian voices with a variety of life experiences that will help you make sense of life.&nbsp;
Want more from Greg Laurie? Visit <a href="https://harvest.org/">https://harvest.org/.</a>&nbsp; Find Pastor Greg on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/">https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/</a>&nbsp;

The Greg Laurie Show

Everyone talks about life after death, but what about life during life? Do you wonder, 'Why am I here? How can I be truly happy? Does my life matter, or why do I feel empty inside?' And, 'What really happens when I die?' Pastor Greg Laurie has helped millions find profound hope through true faith. On "The Greg Laurie Show," he transparently shares his own journey from hopelessness, addiction, and abuse to a spiritual revolution that transformed everything. Drawing on decades of impactful ministry, Greg tackles life's deepest questions, offering timeless biblical wisdom, practical guidance, and a compelling vision for a life radically transformed by Christ. Join Pastor Greg as he navigates today's cultural challenges, unpacks spiritual truths, and empowers listeners to discover lasting joy and meaning in a relationship with God."

Want more from Greg Laurie? Visit https://harvest.org/. 
Find Pastor Greg on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/ 

Everyone talks about life after death, but what about life during life? Do you wonder, 'Why am I here? How can I be truly happy? Does my life matter, or why do I feel empty inside?' And, 'What really happens when I die?' Pastor Greg Laurie has helped millions find profound hope through true faith. On "The Greg Laurie Show," he transparently shares his own journey from hopelessness, addiction, and abuse to a spiritual revolution that transformed everything. Drawing on decades of impactful ministry, Greg tackles life's deepest questions, offering timeless biblical wisdom, practical guidance, and a compelling vision for a life radically transformed by Christ. Join Pastor Greg as he navigates today's cultural challenges, unpacks spiritual truths, and empowers listeners to discover lasting joy and meaning in a relationship with God."
Want more from Greg Laurie? Visit <a href="https://harvest.org/">https://harvest.org/.</a>&nbsp; Find Pastor Greg on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/">https://www.instagram.com/greglaurie/</a>&nbsp;

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