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All right, let's step into the court room. The gavel has been hit and for our new friends. If you ever want to send a case, you can hit me up on Instagram at on air Kiki and Fresh Show Radio. Let's get into it, it says Heiki Key. My name is Dan. I'm a new listener and I love the show. I've been a single dad for three years. And then, don't try to persuade this, Okay, I'm a single dad for three years now after my wife ran off with another man. However, raising my girls has been the joy of my life until recently because I'm having a big issue with my daughter's teacher. A few months ago, I stopped my daughters from wearing deodorant and using body wash because of the chemicals. Well, just last week, I noticed that my seventh grader kept coming home smelling like a floral garden. I did some investigating and found a travel bag of no I found a travel a bag of travel sized toilet tries.
In her backpack.
When I asked her about it, she said that her teacher gave her what she called a smell good bag.
I was livid.
I called the teacher to remind her that I am the father. I am the parent, and given my child theodorant is extremely inappropriate. The teacher told me that my child's body odor was distracting to the other students and the only other option is to move her desk in the hallway away from the other kids. Ki ki, I want this teacher fired immediately. And then he goes on to list her name and the school, which I won't read on air.
Am I wrong?
Wow? A smell good bag?
A smell good bag?
Damn yeah, Dad, anybody ever handed me a smell good bag? I would just crumble into a pile of nothing. Oh yeah, yeah, I would just cease to exist. My god, you never see me again. The person who handed me said smell good bag. I would change my name and move to a foreign country and where the nosed classes mustache combination from now on so that nobody knew is me?
Judge Kinky? What say you?
Dan?
Welcome to the family. First of all, welcome to the family, and we love you.
Yeah, However, you cannot send your kid to school smelling like funk Master flet okay, because you have just decided on a Tuesday to boycott deodorant, like, there has to be another alternative, you know what I'm saying, There has to be another option. I don't like to sit. Teachers are already underpaid. You want her, your teacher, to sit in the class with a kid that is smelling it up in here. And then she tried to be helpful, I think, by giving her a little bag of toilet trees. And I don't think the teacher is wrong in this scenario, because what do you want her to do?
Well, we talk about this all the time. First of all, I do think she probably should have talked to the dad ahead of time. Oh you don't before given any kind of product, you can see that. But at the same time, we talk about how teachers do so much more these days than just than just teaching, you know, and a lot of ways they're sadly, uh doing duties that parents should be doing, and so well, I think there should have been at least an attempt at a conversation, you know. I think the teacher was probably just trying to be helpful, you know, because unfortunately there are a lot of negligent parents out there. Now I'm not I'm not saying he is, which is which is great, right, which is why you would want to have that conversation with the parent to assess, Okay, is this person just unaware of what's going on with his child? Is this person what's going on here? Because if it's like, oh, I don't know, I don't care, well, then maybe you need to intervene, sadly, But in this case, it was more like, Hey, the conversation would have gone, I'm not giving my daughter X y Z because I think it's bad for her or son or whatever. So and then maybe, Okay, now we have a problem. We need to figure out an alternative, right, like you work it out together, at least you try to, because I would imagine the teachers can tell pretty quickly which parents are engaged in which parents are not.
Absolutely, and I'm just assuming here that the seventh grader probably went to school and probably wants to wear deodorant or wants to wear smell good because you know you don't want these other kids may be teasing you or being mean to you. So maybe that's why she didn't tell her dad or communicated with her dad.
But for sure, feel so bad.
I can't blame the teacher because, like we talked about, I'm sure they can recognize like which students might need like certain items, and I believe they're consider mandated reporters. So I think that also means like if they feel like a student's being neglected, I know they have to report that. But sometimes there's budgets within the school system that I hear about that do provide like bathing items like for audiodorants or lotions and stuff like that, and body wash which you can hand them to the kids discreetly, you know what I mean. And I think that helps a lot of students unfortunately that you know that do need it.
And I think I'm really really happy that that's provided.
So maybe it was something like that when the teacher wasn't sure, although I do agree maybe a conversation first is a great place to start.
Right, Yeah, So you can't necessarily give a child food or you know, hygiene products or medicine or something like that. You wouldn't do that, right unless you've spoken to the parents first, And I guess you know, if there have to be probably social workers, it's people who could intervene. So it's like, you know, maybe you go to the parents say hey, this is the issue, and the parents said, oh my gosh, let's figure out a solution. And here's the reason why I think this is happening versus I don't know, I don't care, or if the parents unreachable or something.
There's got to be another way.
Yeah, but I think everybody here was was well intended. Hey Amber, yes, him, good morning, Good morning, eight five five three five, you're the jury.
What say you?
So?
I have three late teens early twenties kids, and I have to say I think the father should talk to his daughter. She has to have her choice right and her body her choice. That's what I tell my kids. You know, they can do whatever they want with their hair. They can do they could, they could wear yodorant. I mean, if they didn't want to wear yodorant, I'd probably have to have a conversation with them. But you know, it is their body and they need to learn that and they and so he should really be talking with his daughter because she's twelve. You know, they don't become independent young people and making good choices overnight. So he needs to start having conversation with.
His daughter when And I'm not a parent, and or when do you When does that transition take place where it's it's your body, your choice, when you go from being you know, needing parental permission or needing that influence, to then be able to say no, it's twelve years old, when you can say I want to use these products because I don't care about the repercussion.
I don't know the answer.
I think it's gradual, right, So when they're little, they can.
Choose their clothes.
When they get older, they can choose their hair. Anything that's not permanent. I tell my kids before eighteen, you can do whatever you want with your your hair. You want to diet, you want to cut it, you want to shave it, have at it. If you want piercings, that's a different thing. So you're going to have to wait until you're eighteen because that's more of a permanent choice. And while I still believe that it's their body, their choice for tattoos or piercings, that's the kind of thing that I think you don't really understand what permanent means until you're older.
So I feel like they.
Need to be at a point where they can legally choose for themselves.
I think it's while the teacher was doing tattoos and piercings. That's crazy for it. I mean, that's that's crazy. That's I mean that to me, that's a little much. But you know, thank you, An have a great day.
Thank you too.
Yeah, I mean, Aaron, how you doing.
I'm all right with you.
Hey, good morning, welcome Geeky's Court. What say you?
So?
I just wanted to make the point that everybody's saying, you know, you should reach out to this dead, but this dead is also putting this teecher on blast right now and thing to get her because the teacher did something nice for the kid, so he might not be the most approachable parent to talk to.
Good point, Okay, all right, because so cause he reached out to Keiki's court, and because we're talking about this now on the radio, it's like, well, that's not necessarily the thing you would do if you were a regional I don't know this person, but what you're saying is this isn't necessarily the way that you would react if you if you were interpreting the message appropriately.
Yeah, yeah, because why would the dad not just assume positive intent, like oh shoot that I got to do something about my kid, and this teacher was trying to help.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aaron, thank you. Have a good day you too, well, I know, without getting too much into it. I also have a question about so you said that it's his daughter, but the mom is not present.
Yeah, the mom is not in the picture. So he's a single father.
I have.
I have at least one friend whose wife passed away when they had a young daughter, and I often kind of wondered, and I never asked the question, but like, is it possible that he doesn't Maybe, And again, I don't know this guy. I'm not I'm not saying anything negative about him, but maybe there needs to be a female influence involved here because and maybe, and maybe that's what the teacher was trying to do, because I know that's a very tenuous age and there's transition going on, and there are things that are probably happening that he doesn't understand as a man. Right And it doesn't there's nothing wrong with that. It's not his fault. Yeah, but like, you know, maybe maybe there does need to be a female influence saying hey, dad, you know, we need to think about this and that and the other thing, because these things are happening, And how as a man would I know if I didn't have someone sort of consulting me on how to how to approach that with my daughter, right, Yeah, I think.
That would be helpful to him.
But I also think if you just make this decision to sing your child to school with no deodorant and no fragrance, you know you should discuss that with her teachers because there is a change in body odor and the teacher is not wrong for trying to help the situation and stop her from distracting the other kids, I mean getting bullied potentially, right, that is, you know, it's hard being in middle school and all kind of stuff is happening to your body, right, you know, And it's like you can't just make those decisions for her without like having a plan.
Yeah, And is it Shanita or Shanta?
Shanta? How you doing?
I'm good?
How are you very well? What do you want to say?
Okay, So this dad, he's completely out of line. You have to think about it. These are girls, and he's talking about one is in seventh grade. That's when your hormones are changing and kids are very cruel, So you have to think it's maybe they're getting bullied or talked about at school. And it's plenty products out here that don't have the harsh chemicals in them that some do.
She runs helves down with a tree every day and she feels fun.
Rarely. Do I have an odor issue with kaylor snubby coming?
Yeah?
Yeah, I think the dad should have probably looked into this a little more and investigated other options before just making a drastic change for the girls.
Yeah.
I think there's a misunderstanding here maybe or maybe just I don't know, because there are your point, there are alternative products. If his concern is about you know, metals or whatever people are concerned about, then there.
Are others or the there are other options.
It's it's a little bigger than that than just I don't want my kid to use X y Z, Like we're gonna.
Have to come up with an alternative of that. Yeah.
Yeah, and these are girls, like you can't just up and do that.
Yeah.
And I also think that the girls need to make the choice if they want that specific deorder when they get of age to make that choice. You know, you have a duty right now to like protect your kids or whatever. You can't you can't decide that for them the whole natural dedan thing.
You know.
Yeah, it's a good point. Thank you, have a great day.
Thank you.
Glad you called Kiki's court. Yeah.
So this this dad is writing in because his twelve year old daughter he doesn't want her using you know, different fragrances and de orderance because he thinks that they're bad for her. And yet apparently at school she doesn't smell very good, and the teacher intervene and gave the daughter some products to smell better at school. I think trying to be I assume trying to be helpful for a lot of other reasons. And the dad's upset because you're not going to give my kid. You know, you don't get my kids stuff for their body, for her body in this case without talking to me about it first, which I also understand.
Hey Nicole, yes, hi, good morning. What do you want to saying? I love you guys, love you too, thank you.
But I disagree this time, and I just sure because I feel like the teacher. I mean, yes, seventh grade is hard. Chemicals are bad though, and there are other types of deyodorants that they could use, but they don't have the smells that other deyodorans have to make you smell better, but they do work against bo And I think the teacher giving her a smell good beat is telling her she's smells bad, but there's a better way to say that, and that could also affect the girl's you know s image and whatnot. And so I feel like a smell good bag. I just don't like how she she used.
That language, or you know, she could have given her a hygiene bag and talked to her about it and use different words and so, and it sounds like the father said.
It's come she's come home a couple of times.
And like he's tried to tell the girl not to do it and she's still doing it. So he's frustrated with the teacher, which is again something him and his daughter should talk about. But I also feel like the teacher went.
A little overboard there.
And I don't like the terminology used there of a smell good bag, because that's also telling her like she's she smells bad and she doesn't deserve to be around everyone, and so there's there's a there's a middle ground here, But I just I really feel like he has good intentions and while she has good intentions.
You really go through the father, not through the daughter.
Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think there's a compromise here for sure. Thank you, Nicole, Thank you, have a good day. Glad you called. Okay, So case not closed, problem not solved, not at all.
Hit but the teachers that deal with all kinds of stuff.
And that's what I'm saying too. It's like you guys are managing so much stuff. The entertainment report in two minutes, Fred Show