Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Monday the 15th of July, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
The NRL 360 panel are joined by Buzz Rothfield and Brent Read to chat through the problems at the Tigers. The boys also chat to Roosters star Angus Crichton live from Blues camp and touch on Origin teams.
For more of the show tune in on Fox League CH 502 or stream full episodes on KAYO
Welcome to Ben. I was three sixty reveling from every angle. Watch you by nib joining me again, the Great Gordon tell Us. That's been straight Buzz Rothfield and Brent Reeve. We've got a massive show ahead of very special guest coming up, one of the new South Wales Blues superstars, and we're only two sleeps away.
How good?
Not not long? Now? Good? You feel? No, it's good. It was.
I went to the Broncos Dragon's game and it's buzzing around Queensland. I think the people that were at the Caxton were probably camped.
There for the next couple of days.
But I reckon that's a it's a wholly anticipated game. I got a pressure on both dates.
I got a feeling you're going to be disappointed. I love this new South Wales side. Were favorite, not that that means anything.
But you're very confident, Buzz, aren't you.
I am very confident because Mad stuck to what he said before the first game. I'll pick players in form and he has.
I can't wait for Thursday's show. One of your two bucks are going to be filthy, so it's going to be well. I think we all are.
But this this little rivalry in.
New South Wales Jeresday, I've already got my own man.
Yeah, both in the nineties. Buzz do you play Buzz? And I'm just looking.
Ford the Caldron on originally nothing better than sun Cook Stadium full to the brim and the massive seeding Wednesday night, Wednesday, I don't know if it wasn't Wednesday.
Let's cross in the Blues camp now it's Critony is standing by.
Thanks for joining us.
Mate. You've arrived in Brisbane. How's the reception been and are you getting hammered or what? Up there? Hey? Hey, I hoe you boys.
It's actually been all right.
There's Texas streets actually pretty quiet at the minute. Yeah, hopefully it gets a bit noisier later on.
You've you're in enormous form. It's been quite the transitional from the start of the year. You're playing New South Wales Cup. You're now arguably the best back row in the competition as we speak.
It must feel good and how did.
You get there?
I appreciate it, mate, I think just hard work. I think our team's obviously going very well at the minute and we've got some really good stuff and put us in good stud of the preseason and it helps when your team's winning. And we've got some great guys in our team and a special team of the Rusters this year, and yeah, I've really been enjoying my footage.
Hey, Angus, it's Gordon. Tell us that you guys were so dominant in Game two. How do you replicate your form in that game? And how does the team do it as well?
Yeah, obviously it was nice, but we can't rest on that. And I think, yeah, you know yourself, you've got to go and recreate it every single week and it's no different here for us. I think we've got to go and start fresh and do it all again. And yeah, it was great that we got ourselves into the position that we're in now for Game three. But right now, game two doesn't mean much, true.
Angus Braith spoke about what you've come back from and you played for the North Sydney or Roosters in your Sofis Cup earlier this year. It's been bigger than that. Your problems have been very well documented. How close were you rugby union? There was an offer on the table. Other Sydney clubs approached you more recently, were you ever close to going to rugby or leaving ease.
Yeah, I was close, but I didn't.
I didn't want to go.
That was always sort of the underlying thing is Yeah, it was the sort of writing was on the wall left for a little bit for me and I sort of had to have my mind made up for me at points, but the bounce of the balls sort of didn't go that way for one reason or another.
And be a buzz. I'm grateful that I'm.
Still here because I love the club so much. I owe the club so much, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. So yeah, I'm really happy that it worked out the way it has made.
I'm dirty they didn't pick David for FEEDO. I would have loved to have seen you one on one with him owing to the drama at the Roosters.
Thanks Buzz.
Angels.
Buzz mentioned the Queensland team there and Dave one Blake, who is back in that team as Carlen Ponger. What do you expect, how to expect Carlen to be used and how have you prepared for him to come into this game?
Man, I wouldn't be surprised if you popped up anywhere they could pop them in the front row who knows I think is a great player and he's torn up in the middle of the field before in origin and him and Walsh are big threats and were prepared for them both to come on the field at the same time, and uh.
Yeah, we're ready to go, mateus.
A lot of the Queenslanders weren't happy with how physical you were. One of the guys sitting next to me wasn't happy. Actually two of the guys I see next, we weren't happy about how physical you were, you know, pushing off the ball. I mean, I loved it. There is there been much talk around that because you'd like to think Queensland are.
Going to come harder, faster, stronger.
So you've you've really got to go into this game with the same attitude, don't you.
Yeah, to be honest, man, that has thet any talk about it. But we know what we got to do, especially as a forward pack. We know that it's a personal battle for us up front there in the middle, and we've got our boys and we've worked really hard this week to make sure that we're going to get it over there. Their boys and origins about physicality and it's about playing hard and yeah, getting it over you opposite number. So yeah, we haven't spoken about it, but it's definitely there in the front of our minds.
Y Angus is scorty. I know that the Caxton Hotel is right behind you. Are you guys staying at Gambaro's and are you guys going to walk down to the ground?
Is that what's going to happen? Mate?
We're we're staying at the soft Toel.
You guys, yes, actually yeah, yeah, we're at Caston Street and there's not that many Queensland fans out here at the minute, so hopefully they show.
Up tomorrow night and Wednesday night they'll be there.
That's the true as slots be made of the recorded sun called stadium and has been great over the years, but you've won there. I think for memory, what's the key to winning a sun caught?
For you guys, I think it's the start of the game. Making sure that we start fast and like we talked about that physicality and making sure that we're not taking it backwards step and we know it's going to be a tough it's going to be a tough battle and it's not going to be easy, and it's about who who can sort of hold the hand the fire the longest and not flinching. Yes, it's going to be a tough battle and yeah we're ready for it.
Angus.
Really appreciate you joining us so close to the game. Again, congratulations on your form for not only the Roosters but for New South Wales and Gallan smash those Queenslanders on Wednesday. We'll do thanks boys.
There.
He is Angus right, and I mean more a season he's hable to turn around. It's been, it's been. It really has been incredible and there's been a lot of media around a buzz. You've covered it, other media circles have covered it as well. You can't underestimate what he has been able to achieve this year.
Look were serious thoughts at the Roosters last year that while they wanted to stick solidly beside and behind Angus, that you know his career was in serious, serious jeopardy. And that's when the Australian Rugby Union came in. Rugby Australia I had an offer on the table, his manager David Rawlings was looking at. It was pulled at the last minute when Rugby Australia got in that financial trouble. There were no other NRL options for Angus because he was in trouble with his mental health and one of the great comeback stories in recent times.
He's the best back roller in the comp right now and with the wealth back rows we have, we got kickout. That's that's like had his moments and Oli Kawatu's been fantastic for Feeders, you know, had a great month. But just out of all the great back rolls in our game, I reckon he's the one that's in the.
He's arguably the story of the season with what he's done, the ways turned his life around. He's talked about Australian rugby buzz. He was almost going to French rug and the Australian rugby deal fell through. He was going to go to Montpellier and play France and then obviously everything happened to the Roosters and his form turned around. He got himself a nice new two year deal out of it, as well deserved.
Because he's been outstanding.
You know what he's burst the last ten weeks does coincide with the Forfeeder offer and.
He was playing pretty good before.
That, yeah, but not as explosive as the last ten weeks read and he was you know, he was angry that the club offered the other.
Fellow big Some players play better when they're angry, but you can tell with him he's playing a lot better with a clear mind and a hell of a lot of confidence. At the moment now, Queensland s Kipadella Jay Evans is refusing to buy into talk he'll retired from red footy, with all his focus on winning the decider in Brisbane.
I've said this and I can't be any clearer. I don't make his decisions during the year. I do my best thinking in the off season. But while I'm in the thick of it, I'm just going to keep and joining it. I got dropped, wasn't playing well enough to keep a spot on this side, but Eermie spot back and I have literally played every game like it's my last. I know I'm getting old, so retirement becomes a bit of a talking point.
But I don't need to.
I don't need a fairy tale to finish. For as long as I'm good enough to hold a spot in this team, It'll be very hard to pass up in future.
Oh what about that far though?
You want a stitch nothing to do with it.
You were thirty eight?
Whose column was this?
It was in my cold I don't choose digitally autored images.
We don't choose the headlines. Right now what we're blaming the editor.
But you know what, if he keeps going next year, he'll overtake Petro seven as the oldest player in Origin history. Didn't have a great game in Melbourne. It's outstanding game one.
Half fact would have played that good. But do you think you should retire?
For me?
I've been surprised as even a conversation right now. This guy's been exceptional for a number of years. He's lost one game. In Game one, he was incredible. Why are we even talking about this?
Maybe sorry read, maybe the Premiership at Manly to cap his career. It would mean a little bit more than an Origin series at this stage. And maybe he wants to devote everything.
You don't know. You're saying there's a chance he may step is this is your opinion, step down from Origin to play to focus.
On Yeah, like a lot of men do what his age?
I don't know.
I think Dahi missed out in Origin for what while there was that time and he was on the outer with the Queensland team and you're sort of making up for lost time a little bit. Daly and he's a guy who keeps himself in supreme shape. He still goes back to male in pre season, wins the fitness drills, so he is azeless in that respect. And I think he'll played beyond next year buzz. So if he plays Origin next year, he can play next year, retire then next year and I think club for him.
For another couple of years.
But what do you think the ex Origin legend?
I think I think the way he's cutting it at the moment, he's our leader, there's there's no slowing down, and with the half backs as a lack of half backs, and in game one he was absolutely outstanding set up the first try to for Ben Hunting. Game two we were outplaying Wally Lewis wouldn't made it known.
Game two they went after him. They know he's the man you've got to stop, and they went after him. Angus made his life a misery in games two running at him all night because they knew that to get at him, because he's so important for Queensland.
But he's to let that happen.
Sat me walkable, bang on the door, very very hard.
He's next in line.
Yeah, and look the Roosters go all the way this year and he's.
Absolutely Do you think he's next in line?
You do?
I think they go with maybe didn and man potentially.
You got Monthster coming back.
Months is coming back.
Don't mean he's definitely, we're going okay for talent.
Showing, get rid of him. No, I was not. What about Harry Grant? A lot of noise around him. He obviously you got that bad cut. He's had the Sternham injury. Is he okay? Well, they're saying he's okay.
He did a contact session this week, he's had the week to sort of rest it, didn't play club footy, and they're saying he's in pretty good Nick Harry, So I don't think there's any issue with him.
I spoke to someone who was with the Queenslanders over the weekend. They say he's flying and there was no doubt whatsoever. And it's a little bit of a media game. Let them think that. You know.
One thing I say about Harry knowing a few of the boys at Melbourne, is his the fittest, if not the fittest every year, every off season, so missing a few weeks for him and with a needle in the stern, it's fine now. One A friend of the show, Benny Alai, says that Billy Slater is rattled and that Madge is leaving Rent free in his head at the moment.
I made that up, but.
Look, there's no you know, I think there's pressure on both states, and there is pressure on Billy. This is the first time, but his coach was now six eight State of Origins and won two series. I'd take that as a record. And yes, he's under the pump because of the way we got beaten. But I think you're right, so the challenge like he did as a player.
Look, I think arguably he's the most impressive figure in rugby league from anyone. He is such a cool dude, such a class act. This guy handles pressure.
I don't think he's rattled. No, I think he's rattled by the result, yes, and the way they play it. I don't think Madge worries.
He was shocked.
I went up to him, I reckon.
I was with him probably twenty minutes after the game, and we were all shocked. Like I was shocked with that performance because it was so dominant, and I spent some time with him. He's picked himself back up and don't forget he is in the media and I think he knows the game.
What about the bench of Queensland are we worried about it?
Ponger on the bench?
We know he's a superstar, but one less forward after being dominated in the middle in the pack, is there any concern around that? Because that that really does put pressure on Billy too, because he's made that big call and he's not afraid to make the big cause, which is why I love Billy in the way that he coaches. He backs himself, but he does put himself out there here for this one because he could go wrong.
Absolutely it can, but I believe that he's back there thirteen. I think he's back our edges, you know, not to play like that again, not to get bullied, not to get run over and then kalm Ponger.
That's a luxury to have there.
So if it goes set for set and he comes on with fifteen minutes to go in the first half, I think we got the upper hand. But if you lose a player and he's come on, he's got to play sixty five minutes in the middle, you South Wales will have the upper hand.
Yeah, but we questioned Billy with Cabo game one, that's right, we saw and with Ponger him to blow a game open towards the end of a half, probably more than any other player in the NRL if he gets a sniff. I think he's a great selection.
And a couple of years ago he defended in the middle and.
In the middle I don't think it would matter who you have in the bench unless the starting forward pack plays better than it did in game two. It doesn't matter, no matter if you're Dave or David Feed or came on the bench. If the forward starting forward pack don't aim up and play better than they did in Origin to it won't That's all right.
The Broncos on the brink, is it? What six losses in a row? They need to win six out of their next seven. I believe to make the finals. A big four from Gracie from the Broncos, who were what minutes away from winning a Grand Final last year, probably should have What's going on there? Why are they going so bad?
It's been a disaster break to be honest, I mean you can blame Origin and the players that are out. But you know, you look at a team like Melbourne and Penrith and they've managed to keep winning without those guys. So I don't think that's it. I don't think that's a fair excuse. I just it's I'm befuddled by breath. I can't put what's going wrong on there?
Can I pull you up on what you just said?
You'll pull me up.
Well, you're claiming they're as hard hit as the Broncos.
Well, you know, not by Origin, but they had no months through, no PAP times this year as well.
Yeah, but what I'm saying with Origin, they've only had two players Grant and coach. Now Brisbane have had so much of their salary cap Carrigan, Hass, Reese, Walsh and Cobber Canterbury, don't you I'm starting to talk about the integrity of this competition right when a team like Brisbane gives up three million, arguably their salary cap for such an extended period of the camp. You look at Canterbury, how many have they been on fire this period? But they can let me finish, they've been on fire. They've got one.
Player he's had that much of their cap out I know they're saying that it.
Is due to Origin, mate, but everyone suffers injuries that can't affect integrity. So but what I'm saying is Melbourne on fire because they've only got two players this year. I'm saying Canterbury on fire because they've only got.
One the Dolphins.
The Dolphins had a really big where are you going?
He bus because I know where you going?
What did you see newcas going bus?
I'm going to the fact that Origin takes away very integrity of the NRL competition. Look, and it's got to stop, Gordon, because you've got a fair com.
I get it.
But the reason why they got to the Grand Final last year was because of those Origin players. I think last year, if I'm harsh on Brisbane, they probably over achieved a little bit. At the beginning of the year, no one had them playing in the Grand Final, maybe getting into the top eight, maybe top four. And then this year with the injuries and the young like rees Fols just turned twenty two during the week Cobbos. So I think that last year they overachieved. It might have they might have got it, got a little bit ahead of themselves, but now they're back.
To until the weekend. The quality of the competition's been that's Danny. So the weekend was one thing, right and it's fine, go back to Melbourne. Though I don't necessarily agree with you. Buzz I was already on this no months to know. Papenhouse and Origin players out been injured at times. They've had numerous injuries throughout that team and their equality. They are a quality and look at Penroth, No they haven't a clearing.
They haven't a clearing in there.
And they go up to the Brisbane and beat and beat Brisbane that they've had players coming.
Heard situations different. You say the quality has been good for six or seven weeks. I disagree. You saw this weekend. There were blowouts every week when they played the following weekend, any round previous one.
So I said that, I just said that, okay.
For me being a Titans fan, I really enjoyed watching them beat Paramatta, right, that's their third winning the row and I was there and the Dragons fans would have walked out the lighted that they've gone there and as a rivalry they played Grand finals and they got the victory.
I don't think there was you said there was.
Just the Tigers Man in new Castle was a blowout. And you know why Newcastle without three Origin players three for the first time this year.
Maybe they could have played with the Origin players in the school line might have been the same.
Buzz. Yeah, not as many people watch the rugby league win origins on because it's true, so that you do have a point there.
What are you saying stand alone.
Or what well, I'm saying we've got a jam. It into a three four week period midyear. Hold the club for the up put a trans Tasman Samaha Tongua New Zealand on put a women's State of Origin series on which just rates unbelievably. Well, we just have there's no club football, so we're given Grahamington.
The network side affects the integery of the competition. But when in the last twenty years has the best team not won.
The comp Maybe I haven't got the premiership never just in front.
Of me the best team at the end of the season, if you gave me, go through it.
But the best teams won the.
Comp Buzz the best team wins and you know what the date of Oregon and I know you make some valid points.
And the spot in the EP that's what I'm saying, I don't.
I don't think it's too simplistic.
Spot it's too simplistic to blame Origin.
The young kids that analyze it better.
I'm saying there's more than Origin that's affected them.
Just Origin.
With the right hook there they tell me, Well, I think there's deeper issues in Origin.
You've got to have you've got to have a stronger shell.
You've got to have a stronger a base with a club like Clubs can do it. They can get through with any play. It's the next man up mentality. That's the difference between being an elite team and not being an elite team.
Those elite teams can't get through it with Origin.
Brisbane's injuries have heard them all this year. I think Payne has miss games. There's no Fleggler right and then Farmers they were massive loss. Adam Adam Reynolds hasn't played as thes been out like he was. I think he was rattle coming back from Vegas. Maybe he hasn't found the form. You knows. Bolsh has been targeted Gobbo. They they have not had their seventeen weeks. The sides that are up the top have pretty much except for Melbourne.
Melbourne.
Melbourne are their own beast, but most of them have had their seventeen edy.
I know for fact that they are looking at scheduling right now and we'll end up some options will go to the Commission at the end of the year.
Lastly, do you think it will happen stand alone? Do you think the NRL behind that is their noise? Is it?
I think there'll be a change in some capacity. It'll either be standalone Origin. I think we'll look at Monday Origin now. Two weeks ago, well three weeks ago, players could a lot of players couldn't back up about twenty because it was they played the Wednesday night, you played Monday.
They've got a week to recover it. Devastated.
Benji Marshall has apologized to Tigers fans after going down to the Sharks fifty eight points to six, as the battle club looks set to claim its third Wooden spoon in a row. Kind of explain what that to.
It's gonna apologize to our fans. When you take the field, you got to choose the right attitude and tonight they ran harder and tackled way harder than us and that showed on school board we haven't seen that all year. It's the first time I've seeing no one on our team that could probably say they play good.
You're not very good.
This result fifty two point loss, Benji, you did this story today, buzz struggling to sleep. That's most coaches after loss like that, putting in the hours. What are you hearing with Benjie? What's going on there at the West Tiger is obviously a tough time for him in the club.
Well anyone who suggested or questioned his work ethic. Look, I rang him yesterday morning just to check ourage going, and it was a really interesting conversation. There was his kids making noise in the background, he was making the pancakes for Brecky and he was just being a dad. The previous night he got on for Crnala at midnight. He turned his tape on two and a half three hours, making notes stop, start, pause, He jumps into bed, doesn't get three hours sleep, and then he favorite concord for a review with the players. So, look, I think we can put them. Although we went to Feji and I still disagree with that. I think we can say he's putting in the hard yards and I think there's much bigger issues there.
I don't think there's any doubt he's putting in the hard yards. That was Bulldog said that at the start of the year. It was different in terms of work. I think I don't think he can question he's working anything, especially now he's in there. He's in the furnace. But he bends out of his depth here. Do we think it's yeah?
Is he?
I mean, I'm just putting it out there.
I don't know his death, but I think if you had more experience and you've lost like this, and you had more answers and you knew how to get yourself out of it, being a rookie player getting beaten like that, you question yourself. I could only I could only imagine as a coach, you know, because you don't know all the answers and you feel like you don't have them.
Yeah, I mean, I think one thing in his favor is that Shane Richardson's a really strong supporter of him, and I think one of the things rich I will there was sort of strengthen the support around him. I think that's a goal of richards Now. It's hard to do that mid season. I think that's something something they'll do in the off season. I think there'll be some changes around him, and I think he'll want to give him more support. But one are the changes well, I think he's looking at everything in the football department, obviously the playing staff. They've got a lot of cash up. This leave Stefano is going to have an impact on how much money they do have.
Ye.
No, Look, Benji had an opportunity last year before rich O came. Justin Pasco was still in charge and they had the opportunity to get Justin Holbrook before Holbrook went to the Roosters, and he's doing an outstanding job with Trent Robinson. Benji not that back Benji. I wanted the young staff he was going to be comfortable in, which is Robbie Farrett and John Morris what I'm hearing now, and I'm sure you have heard. As part of these changes and freshen up at the end of the season. I'm not too sure Robbie Farrett will be there next year his off contract and this isn't a sort of sacking. I think he's got other things in his life he wants to do. He's got a business and he's got.
To think Robbie ever really wanted to be a coach? Want to be a coach? What do you mean didn't want to be? I think he was feeling it out right. I think he was what he wanted to do.
There going okay, we're happy to take Benjon, We're happy to be bring Robbie. He's just feeling it out. You know what let's he's doing.
It's a pretty well credential guy. It's not as if you bring some guy off the street. I mean, this is little tight.
But football you need to want to coach.
Well.
I think he was in the process of trying to work out whether.
That's what he wanted to do.
The problem was, like the fans, they must be sick in this, Like I sit.
Here and we talk about it.
For how many years now, and their fans get the ships with us because we talk about it.
Well some do, but we have to.
We don't even know. It's like we have to because here we are again talking about is he the right coach? Have they made the right decisions? What have they got wrong with their roster? Who's going to be the coaching staff next year?
We do this every bloody.
This is why why that we used to blame the old leadership and Lee had your penalis and now all of a sudden that they're gone, but the problem is still there again. So its ownership for just.
Because you drive a formula one day, men, you can fix it, right, So so we've got it asked about. Just because you sit there and you've played footy doesn't mean you can coach. If you don't get someone that's coached, they can't coach. You don't sign people on name, you sign them because they can coach. And that's not a knock on any that's that's just what I'll do if I'm in the club. The blokes had to coach to become a coach, So what's rich are you going to do that? The other leadership didn't do well obviously as well. I said, he's going to strengthen the support around Benji.
That's a priority. But the other leadership, well probably the.
Obviously didn't do a real good job of it, would you, right, And let's remember this has all happened what twelve months in advance. Benji wasn't supposed to be the head coaches here in Italy. It was only the tim left earlier that this happened. And that's the same with Robbie. Robbie was supposed to be in the system with Benji this year.
I'm not questioning it either Benji or it's not them.
It's just a game in jail, you guys know.
Benji's problem is that his apprenticeship and the good coaches have been with Bennett, They've been with Robbo, or they've been with Craig Bellamy. Now Benji had one year under Tim Sheen, she'd been out of the comp for twelve years in England when he came back. That's not a good apprentic.
That's what it was important.
He had really strong, experienced people around him, and I think I'm sure in hindsight of Benji was to reflect on that now, and that's no disrespect to Robbie, but he would probably have strongness and maybe add someone like Dimitrio come in.
Need some experience.
But John Moros had that experience too, and I wasn't having to crack it Robbie. I believe Robbie would have wanted to coach. I can't for a second believe it. Oh he wasn't sure because he just wouldn't do it. That's my opinion anyway, all right, stick around journal is The battle is on an our legends taken on any kinda's fish of Origin, Catch all the action at any kind of stores dot com slash fish of Origin