Well, hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets podcast The follow On. My name is Courtney Walsh, a journalist with Fox Sports Australia, and I'm pleased to be join, in fact, delighted to be joined today by Michael Vaughan, Fox Cricket Expert, former English captain. He played eighty two Tests and eighty six eighty I's for England eighteenth centuries. Is a Test batsman and I think speaking to us in Sydney today.

Well, hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets podcast The follow On. My name is Courtney Walsh, a journalist with Fox Sports Australia, and I'm pleased to be join, in fact, delighted to be joined today by Michael Vaughan, Fox Cricket Expert, former English captain. He played eighty two Tests and eighty six eighty I's for England eighteenth centuries. Is a Test batsman and I think speaking to us in Sydney today.

How are you, Michael?

How are you, Michael?

Yeah, I'm all right, thank you.

Yeah, I'm all right, thank you.

On the way to Adelaide for the Test match tomorrow, so looking forward to the second Test.

On the way to Adelaide for the Test match tomorrow, so looking forward to the second Test.

Very busy man so far, but it was an extended break between tests between the first Test in Perth and the second second Test starting on Friday.

Very busy man so far, but it was an extended break between tests between the first Test in Perth and the second second Test starting on Friday.

What have you been up to?

What have you been up to?

What does the commentator do in their off time between tests?

What does the commentator do in their off time between tests?

Well?

Well?

I watched a bit of England versus New Zealand, so that was nice. In between the games, played a lot of paddle Tan, played a bit of golf. Brendon Julian. He's been spraying the ball everywhere but managed to get it right yesterday hit him quite straight, so we got our first victory as a partnership, but I stay down in the coops cougie.

I watched a bit of England versus New Zealand, so that was nice. In between the games, played a lot of paddle Tan, played a bit of golf. Brendon Julian. He's been spraying the ball everywhere but managed to get it right yesterday hit him quite straight, so we got our first victory as a partnership, but I stay down in the coops cougie.

I know you call it culjie, but it's cougie in my eyes.

I know you call it culjie, but it's cougie in my eyes.

Yeah, train every morning, try and stay healthy every now and again. Out of the old Sherbert, but yeah, just trying to switch off. Once this second test starts in Adelaide, it pretty much goes back to back for the remaining four games. So to have a few days away from commentary and just chilling, it's it's been quite nice.

Yeah, train every morning, try and stay healthy every now and again. Out of the old Sherbert, but yeah, just trying to switch off. Once this second test starts in Adelaide, it pretty much goes back to back for the remaining four games. So to have a few days away from commentary and just chilling, it's it's been quite nice.

I was going to say, you see on social media before the PIF test the photos of you and the rest of the crew wandering along the Swan River, which is a magnificent river early morning. I supposed to wake up call. But do you jump into the ocean in a kuji? You or cugie? Do you? What do you do to rehab underneath?

I was going to say, you see on social media before the PIF test the photos of you and the rest of the crew wandering along the Swan River, which is a magnificent river early morning. I supposed to wake up call. But do you jump into the ocean in a kuji? You or cugie? Do you? What do you do to rehab underneath?

What do you do?

What do you do?

I have been in the water, but I go to a place called one training in bath house, so by training there and I go in their ice bats and in Fred's saunas. So getting a little bit older, so I've good little cafter the body. I actually went to the Prime Minister's house last night with Adam Gil christ. He took me to an event there which was nice on the water. He's got a nice paddam a bit it was cure about his security. It's not quite Number ten and the security that our Prime minister has. But it was great to be at the Prime Minister's house. Yeah, but it's it's always nice to be down in Sydney, Sydney around Could you all the way to Bondi walking through Bronze it's one of the most famous walks that you can ever do, the Culdie to Bondy and backwalk. It's a bit of a trek and it's a bit of a sweat on, particularly for a brit like me, but it's always great to do.

I have been in the water, but I go to a place called one training in bath house, so by training there and I go in their ice bats and in Fred's saunas. So getting a little bit older, so I've good little cafter the body. I actually went to the Prime Minister's house last night with Adam Gil christ. He took me to an event there which was nice on the water. He's got a nice paddam a bit it was cure about his security. It's not quite Number ten and the security that our Prime minister has. But it was great to be at the Prime Minister's house. Yeah, but it's it's always nice to be down in Sydney, Sydney around Could you all the way to Bondi walking through Bronze it's one of the most famous walks that you can ever do, the Culdie to Bondy and backwalk. It's a bit of a trek and it's a bit of a sweat on, particularly for a brit like me, but it's always great to do.

Did you manage to Slidge Anthony Albanie see the Prime Minister Directura Billy Hays? Did you just give him a reminder of bed Australia getting beaten whilst England won the opening tiss in New Zealand.

Did you manage to Slidge Anthony Albanie see the Prime Minister Directura Billy Hays? Did you just give him a reminder of bed Australia getting beaten whilst England won the opening tiss in New Zealand.

Yeah, I mentioned that.

Yeah, I mentioned that.

Yeah he was Yeah, I wouldn't say he was concerned by the os Is and he just feels that obviously the Adelaide Test Match is going to be a big week for them, and you know you're not a cricket kind of person. If you don't realize that England are onto something. They're playing some decent cricket, particularly against the Cooker were a ball. You look at their record in New Zealand, it's very strong and obviously next year with the Cooker were a ball, I think they've got a bat in unit that will play quite nicely against it. If you can get a picture of two that spins square, that's probably the best chance of really putting them under pressure. Nathan Lyons the standout in terms of the spinners in both teams. But yeah, England are a good scene towards the Good Fund the lad Weeks where it all goes a bit a bit a well because it's the star that they play, but they're worth watching.

Yeah he was Yeah, I wouldn't say he was concerned by the os Is and he just feels that obviously the Adelaide Test Match is going to be a big week for them, and you know you're not a cricket kind of person. If you don't realize that England are onto something. They're playing some decent cricket, particularly against the Cooker were a ball. You look at their record in New Zealand, it's very strong and obviously next year with the Cooker were a ball, I think they've got a bat in unit that will play quite nicely against it. If you can get a picture of two that spins square, that's probably the best chance of really putting them under pressure. Nathan Lyons the standout in terms of the spinners in both teams. But yeah, England are a good scene towards the Good Fund the lad Weeks where it all goes a bit a bit a well because it's the star that they play, but they're worth watching.

I was going to say, does it make a happy extinguishment alive when Australia gets speeding in the minute they live in India and in England having been under pressure in that first innings, I think in four for seventy one or so sorry it lost merely wicked. Some ned first innings in England as in New Zealand. To be able to put off a victory like they did and to blood some young talent. Very impressive performance overall.

I was going to say, does it make a happy extinguishment alive when Australia gets speeding in the minute they live in India and in England having been under pressure in that first innings, I think in four for seventy one or so sorry it lost merely wicked. Some ned first innings in England as in New Zealand. To be able to put off a victory like they did and to blood some young talent. Very impressive performance overall.

Yeah it was in.

Yeah it was in.

Harry Brook's a wonderful player in New Zealand are usually a safe pair of hands in the field, but they dropped lots of chances. England threw in Jacob bethel In at number three gets to fifty in the second innings, Olive Pope dash nicely at number six and then Bradon Cars gets ten in the match, so that they're unearthing players that are doing well pretty much straight at the start of their Test careers, which tells you that the culture around the team's very very good.

Harry Brook's a wonderful player in New Zealand are usually a safe pair of hands in the field, but they dropped lots of chances. England threw in Jacob bethel In at number three gets to fifty in the second innings, Olive Pope dash nicely at number six and then Bradon Cars gets ten in the match, so that they're unearthing players that are doing well pretty much straight at the start of their Test careers, which tells you that the culture around the team's very very good.

England are a very very dangerous team.

England are a very very dangerous team.

They're very hard to play against because they play high risk cricket, highly intense cricket. Pick with the bat in hand and you know they pretty much work out that they don't look to baut one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty oers. They get to run in seventy eighty overs and score quickly, so you have to find a way of getting them out quite quite quickly to notify the scores being big. But if I was Australia, I'll be just focusing purely on this week. I think it's a big week in Adelaide. They know that they're going to have to respond, They're gonna have to play that cricket and I think the call at the toss is going to be quite important because bat in first is going to be crucial for both teams.

They're very hard to play against because they play high risk cricket, highly intense cricket. Pick with the bat in hand and you know they pretty much work out that they don't look to baut one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty oers. They get to run in seventy eighty overs and score quickly, so you have to find a way of getting them out quite quite quickly to notify the scores being big. But if I was Australia, I'll be just focusing purely on this week. I think it's a big week in Adelaide. They know that they're going to have to respond, They're gonna have to play that cricket and I think the call at the toss is going to be quite important because bat in first is going to be crucial for both teams.

We'll focus on the Australi Union Tists series Fersting.

We'll focus on the Australi Union Tists series Fersting.

We might come back to England New Zealand.

We might come back to England New Zealand.

But you talk about that that toss. Australis one seven tists, seven people tists so far. But we were also so strong in Brisbane historically and so strong in Perth always ase it's always the first time. Are you concerned that this might be the first time or does it really depend on the toss? Do you really think that can make it?

But you talk about that that toss. Australis one seven tists, seven people tists so far. But we were also so strong in Brisbane historically and so strong in Perth always ase it's always the first time. Are you concerned that this might be the first time or does it really depend on the toss? Do you really think that can make it?

I think that to played a big part in Perth, you know, I just thought that that pitch.

I think that to played a big part in Perth, you know, I just thought that that pitch.

It did it slowly on day one and then got quicker as the day went on.

It did it slowly on day one and then got quicker as the day went on.

And then obviously Umber produces a spell of bowling which is up there with the best I've seen any of them. Back on days two, Australia are a little bit flat, didn't quite get it right, weren't aggressive enough in my eyes, and obviously Sweeja as well is a wonderful player, and then you've got care of the Holler just dug in and then Vira and then he just produced a really good performance and you know, you go to the Adelaide Oval.

And then obviously Umber produces a spell of bowling which is up there with the best I've seen any of them. Back on days two, Australia are a little bit flat, didn't quite get it right, weren't aggressive enough in my eyes, and obviously Sweeja as well is a wonderful player, and then you've got care of the Holler just dug in and then Vira and then he just produced a really good performance and you know, you go to the Adelaide Oval.

I just think back in first is such a huge advantage because even if you're back badly on the first afternoon, you get bowled out and you're bowling with a pink ball on the lights, So that's a huge advantage of your back really well. You're balling with the pink ball and the lights on the second evening. So I do feel that the toss in the pink ball games is that is always very very important.

I just think back in first is such a huge advantage because even if you're back badly on the first afternoon, you get bowled out and you're bowling with a pink ball on the lights, So that's a huge advantage of your back really well. You're balling with the pink ball and the lights on the second evening. So I do feel that the toss in the pink ball games is that is always very very important.

Australia won seven out of seven, so they'll be confident. But they've won four out of four in Perth up until obviously India beating them. And I just think of recent times, you know whatever, And I don't know why, there seems to be a lot of teams winning overseas. You know, you look at Bangades look like they're coming back against the Western is New Zealand winning in India, England winning the first Test down in New Zealand, India winning the first Test here in Australia on the back of being whitewashed at home against the Kiwis. It's for whatever reason, it's quite hard to predict test match cricket, particularly teams that are traveling overseas who seem to be playing that little bit bears. Only a few years ago and no one was winning away from home, and this recent time there seems to be a few games that are being one. So look the toss. It can't be just that you're win the toss, you win the game. You're still gonna have to play good cricket. But I do think it's a big advantage.

Australia won seven out of seven, so they'll be confident. But they've won four out of four in Perth up until obviously India beating them. And I just think of recent times, you know whatever, And I don't know why, there seems to be a lot of teams winning overseas. You know, you look at Bangades look like they're coming back against the Western is New Zealand winning in India, England winning the first Test down in New Zealand, India winning the first Test here in Australia on the back of being whitewashed at home against the Kiwis. It's for whatever reason, it's quite hard to predict test match cricket, particularly teams that are traveling overseas who seem to be playing that little bit bears. Only a few years ago and no one was winning away from home, and this recent time there seems to be a few games that are being one. So look the toss. It can't be just that you're win the toss, you win the game. You're still gonna have to play good cricket. But I do think it's a big advantage.

I was going to say, I mean just maybe touched on that for a second.

I was going to say, I mean just maybe touched on that for a second.

It's because players are more familiar with each other due to things like the IPL or the greater excess on YouTube watching, watching one.

It's because players are more familiar with each other due to things like the IPL or the greater excess on YouTube watching, watching one.

Unfold spreader analysis.

Unfold spreader analysis.

I think Ellen Border when I heard a chat with him at the Fox Scrigget launch at the Federation Square in Melbourne, was talking about you'd hate to be a betterman these it's because the balls just know every part of what you know.

I think Ellen Border when I heard a chat with him at the Fox Scrigget launch at the Federation Square in Melbourne, was talking about you'd hate to be a betterman these it's because the balls just know every part of what you know.

If there's some strengths or some.

If there's some strengths or some.

Errors, you know, he said when he was keptain and he did it more on gut instinct and you would try and figure out a player from memory. I'm sure you know, perhaps twenty years ago you had greater access to video, etcetera. But when you were captain in did you try and figure out what and operate opposition as batsman might be like more on feel or from memory than in today, where everything is analyzed and dissected.

Errors, you know, he said when he was keptain and he did it more on gut instinct and you would try and figure out a player from memory. I'm sure you know, perhaps twenty years ago you had greater access to video, etcetera. But when you were captain in did you try and figure out what and operate opposition as batsman might be like more on feel or from memory than in today, where everything is analyzed and dissected.

Yeah, I mean, and also you know, the batters know exactly what the battles are going to deliver. That's why just bit bummer looks like is that the standard? Because he still surprises players with that release point at the pace the skill levels. I very much had information, but I reacted out in the middle because you know, you can have as much information as you want, you're never quite sure how a pitch is going to play, what the condition is going to be like, and the situation that you seem find yourself in.

Yeah, I mean, and also you know, the batters know exactly what the battles are going to deliver. That's why just bit bummer looks like is that the standard? Because he still surprises players with that release point at the pace the skill levels. I very much had information, but I reacted out in the middle because you know, you can have as much information as you want, you're never quite sure how a pitch is going to play, what the condition is going to be like, and the situation that you seem find yourself in.

So you've just got to react as a captain out in the middle.

So you've just got to react as a captain out in the middle.

But you know, I'm not too sure why teams a suddenly starting to win away from home.

But you know, I'm not too sure why teams a suddenly starting to win away from home.

I do think there's a lot of skillful bowls around.

I do think there's a lot of skillful bowls around.

I think we're in an area where there's quite a lot of skill in terms of the bowling around the world and that's given teams opportunities to get twenty wickets. You know, we're not seeing massive scores, you know, we're not seeing four or five hundreds on a regular basis. Three hundred seems to be the Norman testre which I like, you know, I think that's a good, good kind of pas score when the team's scoring three, three fifty. The pitch obviously has a little bit of spice in it, and if you play well as a batter, you get a few runs. If you don't, you're going to be on your way back to the shed quite quickly, particularly against some of the quality that's on show with the bowling department.

I think we're in an area where there's quite a lot of skill in terms of the bowling around the world and that's given teams opportunities to get twenty wickets. You know, we're not seeing massive scores, you know, we're not seeing four or five hundreds on a regular basis. Three hundred seems to be the Norman testre which I like, you know, I think that's a good, good kind of pas score when the team's scoring three, three fifty. The pitch obviously has a little bit of spice in it, and if you play well as a batter, you get a few runs. If you don't, you're going to be on your way back to the shed quite quickly, particularly against some of the quality that's on show with the bowling department.

But I must have meant that the day night games.

But I must have meant that the day night games.

When it came into fruition a few years ago, I thought, oh, it's great for the game, but I don't think. I'm not too sure Test cricket needs it. You know, we tried it in the UK, didn't really kick on. We get decent crowds anyway, the Adelaide Oval. Do you need a day night to get the crowds in against India? Probably not, I though it's probably better for television with obviously those last lessons into the Pride time at night, which is very important because TV pays the big books for the rights. But I'm not convinced by day night Test match cricket, particularly in Adelaide. I just think and in Australia, I just think it's a little bit of an unfair advantage to the team that loses the toss.

When it came into fruition a few years ago, I thought, oh, it's great for the game, but I don't think. I'm not too sure Test cricket needs it. You know, we tried it in the UK, didn't really kick on. We get decent crowds anyway, the Adelaide Oval. Do you need a day night to get the crowds in against India? Probably not, I though it's probably better for television with obviously those last lessons into the Pride time at night, which is very important because TV pays the big books for the rights. But I'm not convinced by day night Test match cricket, particularly in Adelaide. I just think and in Australia, I just think it's a little bit of an unfair advantage to the team that loses the toss.

In the quality of the productive itself is effectively a bit of a whitewash. But you talk about the toss in Perth, but you have got two champion teams going against each other at the moment, the number one and the number two ready to play the Test teams in the world mixture. You have Australia England, which is always the biggest series. Obviously from an Australian perspective and presumably from an English perspective. They'll draw crowds one day, Oh.

In the quality of the productive itself is effectively a bit of a whitewash. But you talk about the toss in Perth, but you have got two champion teams going against each other at the moment, the number one and the number two ready to play the Test teams in the world mixture. You have Australia England, which is always the biggest series. Obviously from an Australian perspective and presumably from an English perspective. They'll draw crowds one day, Oh.

Yeah, I mean I reckon next year Perth, I would think there'll be twenty thousand Brits for that first game and they'll stay. You know, they know they can't come to the last ashes because of COVID times, you know, and England always get a huge amount of people following.

Yeah, I mean I reckon next year Perth, I would think there'll be twenty thousand Brits for that first game and they'll stay. You know, they know they can't come to the last ashes because of COVID times, you know, and England always get a huge amount of people following.

You know, they're in particularly this team, they're a team that people like to watch.

You know, they're in particularly this team, they're a team that people like to watch.

They're very enjoyable to go down to the cricket and watch because they play an expansive game, very likable group of players.

They're very enjoyable to go down to the cricket and watch because they play an expansive game, very likable group of players.

You know.

You know.

I think they're very very good with England supports the England players. They're very close to them, they go and give a bit of their time. So and also I genuinely thinking will have a great chance. You know, I've looked at England teams that have come to Australia in the last since ten eleven, and every time they've come off going well, I'm not too sure. I just don't think they can get anything. I just think Australia have been too good, too powerful. This Australian team are beatable, you know, I genuinely think that they're beatable because of you know, the lack of quality in the batting department. I think the bowlers are exceptional at the right time, but you know, they're all over thirty years of age. In a five match series, you can have to rotate somewhere and maybe that the you know, the missing out of Josh asl this week, maybe that's not a bad thing for Australia, you know, to get Boland in or whoever and give someone else to go in that Bowlding department because I think in a year's time, I think they're going to have to rotate, but the single side with briding cars because that concerned if Mark Wood can be fit Josh for Archer, Oli Stone, Josh Tongue.

I think they're very very good with England supports the England players. They're very close to them, they go and give a bit of their time. So and also I genuinely thinking will have a great chance. You know, I've looked at England teams that have come to Australia in the last since ten eleven, and every time they've come off going well, I'm not too sure. I just don't think they can get anything. I just think Australia have been too good, too powerful. This Australian team are beatable, you know, I genuinely think that they're beatable because of you know, the lack of quality in the batting department. I think the bowlers are exceptional at the right time, but you know, they're all over thirty years of age. In a five match series, you can have to rotate somewhere and maybe that the you know, the missing out of Josh asl this week, maybe that's not a bad thing for Australia, you know, to get Boland in or whoever and give someone else to go in that Bowlding department because I think in a year's time, I think they're going to have to rotate, but the single side with briding cars because that concerned if Mark Wood can be fit Josh for Archer, Oli Stone, Josh Tongue.

England will arrive down here with a bit of pace, it really will.

England will arrive down here with a bit of pace, it really will.

They'll have a bit of guess with them and I think that's what gives me a little bit of hope and particular and also the batters to play well against the cooker were a ball. The ball doesn't do a great deal here, so players that like to throw the hands at the ball you get away with it a lot more in Australia, and I just think it'll be nicely suited to the way that England played the cricket. If the ball spins Australia or with but it doesn't spin that often in Australia.

They'll have a bit of guess with them and I think that's what gives me a little bit of hope and particular and also the batters to play well against the cooker were a ball. The ball doesn't do a great deal here, so players that like to throw the hands at the ball you get away with it a lot more in Australia, and I just think it'll be nicely suited to the way that England played the cricket. If the ball spins Australia or with but it doesn't spin that often in Australia.

We're talking to Fox Cricket expert in former English kept and Michael Vaughan on the follow On podcast and remember you can watch every ball live in the upcoming series with Australia versus India, but also England versus New Zealand on five oh one the Fox Cricket Channel, just talking about those fast ballers from Australia in perspective in particular Michael Daniel Chenney's a good friend of the podcast Code Sports Journalists, had an interesting story today touching on Pat Cummins, the Australian captain and the slight dip in pace but also probably slight increase in the economy road over the last couple of years that he said he's gone from about one thirty ninety dan all about one hundred and thirty six kilometers an hour the economy rate in Perth he was four and a half or so in the first innings and three point eight in the second. He spoke to to Damian Fleming, the former Australian paceman swing bowler, about about Commings and Fleming's comments. I thought we were interested. He talked aboutdnnis Lilly how when you get into your thirties you have to have to adjust slightly. You can't rely like solo and you on your on your raw pace ex c. And you happ your skill, sit and do different things. Did you see anything in perfect worried you? And and the other factor is GC taking the new ball, given the ebisens of Josh.

We're talking to Fox Cricket expert in former English kept and Michael Vaughan on the follow On podcast and remember you can watch every ball live in the upcoming series with Australia versus India, but also England versus New Zealand on five oh one the Fox Cricket Channel, just talking about those fast ballers from Australia in perspective in particular Michael Daniel Chenney's a good friend of the podcast Code Sports Journalists, had an interesting story today touching on Pat Cummins, the Australian captain and the slight dip in pace but also probably slight increase in the economy road over the last couple of years that he said he's gone from about one thirty ninety dan all about one hundred and thirty six kilometers an hour the economy rate in Perth he was four and a half or so in the first innings and three point eight in the second. He spoke to to Damian Fleming, the former Australian paceman swing bowler, about about Commings and Fleming's comments. I thought we were interested. He talked aboutdnnis Lilly how when you get into your thirties you have to have to adjust slightly. You can't rely like solo and you on your on your raw pace ex c. And you happ your skill, sit and do different things. Did you see anything in perfect worried you? And and the other factor is GC taking the new ball, given the ebisens of Josh.

Haisen with that side strength.

Haisen with that side strength.

I would think so, I mean, I would guess that would be comings and Stark and you Boland Dooll come on first change.

I would think so, I mean, I would guess that would be comings and Stark and you Boland Dooll come on first change.

But you know pace is a lot for that coming. So he's down to one thirty five.

But you know pace is a lot for that coming. So he's down to one thirty five.

I thinking it gives the bat as that extra little bit of time to adjust to the to the movement and the accuracy that he produces. You know, we saw it in the ashes actually a couple of years ago that you know, when England got after him, and when England got after Australia, England looked like a team that were dominating. You know, the field was spread and run scoring became that much easier. He is a world class performer, brilliant captain and a brilliant bowler. And the one thing I'll say is he did look short of a gallop in the first Test. He's not been playing any crick they have not played any longer format cricket since March. So I would think this week in Adelaide he'll be up on his paces because of what he did last week. I think the first Test would be good for him. He's got some overs back into his body, into his mind, playing the longer for match, back into his system, and I think he'll be better for it. But you know, it feels like a big week for Australia. You know, the one kneel down and you know last time he knew were there, they bowed him out, what for thirty six blew them away. But they lost that series. And if you actually look at this Australian Test match team and they haven't actually won any big series, you know, they they've got the ashes. They managed to draw to all anyone that was a real cricket studier. You know, if it was a box boxing contest, England had Australia on the ropes, you know the reign in Manchester. England blew them away in two games. The first two games that Agebaster and Lords. England just played dumb cricket for one two sessions and lost the game. But they were pretty much dominating the games. And that'd be a concern if I was in Australia because if you're looking at it really strategically in the way that this test team have played, they haven't played consistently great for a while. That bat Inland looks very vulnerable, and when teams get you know, the bowl attack into the fortieth fiftieth over and into their third and fourth spells, you know you're always going to struggle upfront against this attack because the high class the world class. But if you can get them out of those first two spells and get them deeper into the innings, I've seen teams start to look like they can play a little bit.

I thinking it gives the bat as that extra little bit of time to adjust to the to the movement and the accuracy that he produces. You know, we saw it in the ashes actually a couple of years ago that you know, when England got after him, and when England got after Australia, England looked like a team that were dominating. You know, the field was spread and run scoring became that much easier. He is a world class performer, brilliant captain and a brilliant bowler. And the one thing I'll say is he did look short of a gallop in the first Test. He's not been playing any crick they have not played any longer format cricket since March. So I would think this week in Adelaide he'll be up on his paces because of what he did last week. I think the first Test would be good for him. He's got some overs back into his body, into his mind, playing the longer for match, back into his system, and I think he'll be better for it. But you know, it feels like a big week for Australia. You know, the one kneel down and you know last time he knew were there, they bowed him out, what for thirty six blew them away. But they lost that series. And if you actually look at this Australian Test match team and they haven't actually won any big series, you know, they they've got the ashes. They managed to draw to all anyone that was a real cricket studier. You know, if it was a box boxing contest, England had Australia on the ropes, you know the reign in Manchester. England blew them away in two games. The first two games that Agebaster and Lords. England just played dumb cricket for one two sessions and lost the game. But they were pretty much dominating the games. And that'd be a concern if I was in Australia because if you're looking at it really strategically in the way that this test team have played, they haven't played consistently great for a while. That bat Inland looks very vulnerable, and when teams get you know, the bowl attack into the fortieth fiftieth over and into their third and fourth spells, you know you're always going to struggle upfront against this attack because the high class the world class. But if you can get them out of those first two spells and get them deeper into the innings, I've seen teams start to look like they can play a little bit.

With more comfort against this Australian siding.

With more comfort against this Australian siding.

I guess when you know you can get on top against them, and India did that in Perth. The field spread and it looked like it was quite a nice time for an Indian player to be out in the middle. And that's what teams are going to try and get the Australian team into. Whether you can is another skill because you've got to play great to get into that position. But that's I would think the kind of approach that teams will try and play against Australia because see off those first two swell and then really tried to capitalize.

I guess when you know you can get on top against them, and India did that in Perth. The field spread and it looked like it was quite a nice time for an Indian player to be out in the middle. And that's what teams are going to try and get the Australian team into. Whether you can is another skill because you've got to play great to get into that position. But that's I would think the kind of approach that teams will try and play against Australia because see off those first two swell and then really tried to capitalize.

You talk about the fields being spread, you know in Perth, and we saw that in the Ashes when England were dominant in those those couple of tists. Is that to do with do you have any lingering not concerns, but I suppose a query or about the captaincy in that matter? Is that with Petcummers trying to be given his load with buying and we know we've had that discussion probably in the past. But is there any lingering concerned there or a lingering query there for you or is it just a matter of the way the game on fALS as such?

You talk about the fields being spread, you know in Perth, and we saw that in the Ashes when England were dominant in those those couple of tists. Is that to do with do you have any lingering not concerns, but I suppose a query or about the captaincy in that matter? Is that with Petcummers trying to be given his load with buying and we know we've had that discussion probably in the past. But is there any lingering concerned there or a lingering query there for you or is it just a matter of the way the game on fALS as such?

There was there was times in the last at series where it worked.

There was there was times in the last at series where it worked.

You know.

You know.

The second thing is it as best and it worked. They spread the field in England were silly. They made some errors against Nathan Lyne and Australia one that's at much a brilliant chase. So it works on that occasion. It works at thoughts, England made some mistakes. Once England started to play with a bit more sense and realized they didn't have to play the high reshot, just not the ball around. It was around then that I thought Australia needed to adapt quickly. And I've watched England so many times over the last few years and they're dangerous. They hard to play against because the ball flies everywhere. They've got all the tricks and they play every shot in the book. I think you've got to hold your nervous as a captain against an England side that's so dashing, you've almost got to bring the field in and say go and try and whack it through. Us might have one field of cover point on the boundary, but you need catches in close because England will give you opportunities. And if you just spread the field wild, you know, those opportunities that you should be getting you don't get because you don't have fielders in catching positions. You get them all on the boundary. So I do think there's a method to play against an England side. But you know, a part comings if you look at his record, his exceptional you know, and more often than not he gets it right. I guess when your teams up against it and the balls flying around, most captains would react in the same fashion. You kind of spread the field and just hope something happens, or you hope for a mistake. Australia, when they're playing at their best, they don't look for a mistake from the opposition. They go hunting the mistakes because the bowl great and they hunt as a pack in the field. And that's the one thing I saw in Perth in that second is they didn't seem to have that that energy in the field and that kind of that wolf pack as he used to call, and that used to be kind of surrounding the better, making it very awkward for play, a bit of chu bit more aggressive. I didn't see that in Perth, so I'll be interested see we see that again at the Adelaide over.

The second thing is it as best and it worked. They spread the field in England were silly. They made some errors against Nathan Lyne and Australia one that's at much a brilliant chase. So it works on that occasion. It works at thoughts, England made some mistakes. Once England started to play with a bit more sense and realized they didn't have to play the high reshot, just not the ball around. It was around then that I thought Australia needed to adapt quickly. And I've watched England so many times over the last few years and they're dangerous. They hard to play against because the ball flies everywhere. They've got all the tricks and they play every shot in the book. I think you've got to hold your nervous as a captain against an England side that's so dashing, you've almost got to bring the field in and say go and try and whack it through. Us might have one field of cover point on the boundary, but you need catches in close because England will give you opportunities. And if you just spread the field wild, you know, those opportunities that you should be getting you don't get because you don't have fielders in catching positions. You get them all on the boundary. So I do think there's a method to play against an England side. But you know, a part comings if you look at his record, his exceptional you know, and more often than not he gets it right. I guess when your teams up against it and the balls flying around, most captains would react in the same fashion. You kind of spread the field and just hope something happens, or you hope for a mistake. Australia, when they're playing at their best, they don't look for a mistake from the opposition. They go hunting the mistakes because the bowl great and they hunt as a pack in the field. And that's the one thing I saw in Perth in that second is they didn't seem to have that that energy in the field and that kind of that wolf pack as he used to call, and that used to be kind of surrounding the better, making it very awkward for play, a bit of chu bit more aggressive. I didn't see that in Perth, so I'll be interested see we see that again at the Adelaide over.

Alex Cary, the australianky keeper who did that pretty well in Perth, he talked about his surprise yesterday in Adelaide, so I mean he was well, I think the Strange team are a little stand by the reaction to their defeat and the magnitude of the defeat.

Alex Cary, the australianky keeper who did that pretty well in Perth, he talked about his surprise yesterday in Adelaide, so I mean he was well, I think the Strange team are a little stand by the reaction to their defeat and the magnitude of the defeat.

You talk about the energy.

You talk about the energy.

In the field here, and I think you and Ravi picked up on some comments from Josh Hazelwood which you thought were interesting after being of day three in the test in Perth.

In the field here, and I think you and Ravi picked up on some comments from Josh Hazelwood which you thought were interesting after being of day three in the test in Perth.

The trains have since no, we're all united, et cetera.

The trains have since no, we're all united, et cetera.

But you know your perception at the time, with the energy being down, it didn't look like a team quite quite in harmony or quite unsold.

But you know your perception at the time, with the energy being down, it didn't look like a team quite quite in harmony or quite unsold.

I don't know. I don't know whether that's fair or not, or right or wrong.

I don't know. I don't know whether that's fair or not, or right or wrong.

But you can only come out on what you see the body language in the field. And the second is wasn't there? You know, yes we jaz Well a wonderful young talent. But you know, you go back five years, ten years, fifteen, twenty years, a young player comes to Australia with a great reputation, the Australia would just peppering, you know, I add it in two thousand and two, that bombing for about an hour. You know, can you play the short well with all the fielders around the back with a couple on the bound try and play Bretley or Andy Bick or Jason Gilesbie, Glenmorgrath, Steve Wall, you know, with a load of fielders chirping in your ear. I know it's a different area, different kind of team and a different way of playing, but you know, you can be ultra aggressive without chirk with body language. And you know, I was surprised that they didn't go aggressive at the young kid from obviously Mumbai, who plays great. It's got all the shots, but you know there's one area that I looked at was his right shoulder. Every time it got into his right shoulder was kind of flapping a little bit, and you know it took Marnus actually to get the ball in an so our boy a few bounces and the bounce of.

But you can only come out on what you see the body language in the field. And the second is wasn't there? You know, yes we jaz Well a wonderful young talent. But you know, you go back five years, ten years, fifteen, twenty years, a young player comes to Australia with a great reputation, the Australia would just peppering, you know, I add it in two thousand and two, that bombing for about an hour. You know, can you play the short well with all the fielders around the back with a couple on the bound try and play Bretley or Andy Bick or Jason Gilesbie, Glenmorgrath, Steve Wall, you know, with a load of fielders chirping in your ear. I know it's a different area, different kind of team and a different way of playing, but you know, you can be ultra aggressive without chirk with body language. And you know, I was surprised that they didn't go aggressive at the young kid from obviously Mumbai, who plays great. It's got all the shots, but you know there's one area that I looked at was his right shoulder. Every time it got into his right shoulder was kind of flapping a little bit, and you know it took Marnus actually to get the ball in an so our boy a few bounces and the bounce of.

Tatsic can work. You know, it worked against thing.

Tatsic can work. You know, it worked against thing.

And I say to Australia, you know the bowling the lords with a bounce of tatic, How many times have they reverted to that?

And I say to Australia, you know the bowling the lords with a bounce of tatic, How many times have they reverted to that?

Since? Not many?

Since? Not many?

They tried it old traff where they didn't get it right and the ball was flying everywhere in Zach Crawley put on a bit of a masterclass. But you know they haven't tried it that many times from what I remember. And when you've got to play like Yassi Sweet Jay Swoll number one, it's a wicket taking option. Number two you're going to restrict the scoring rate if you bowled it well. And number three of you ask any better in the world do they like being pepper for forty minutes non stop?

They tried it old traff where they didn't get it right and the ball was flying everywhere in Zach Crawley put on a bit of a masterclass. But you know they haven't tried it that many times from what I remember. And when you've got to play like Yassi Sweet Jay Swoll number one, it's a wicket taking option. Number two you're going to restrict the scoring rate if you bowled it well. And number three of you ask any better in the world do they like being pepper for forty minutes non stop?

There's not many that really like.

There's not many that really like.

And they might say some play it better and some might say it's a bit of a challenge and it's quite fun but fun event, and no one likes to be peppered.

And they might say some play it better and some might say it's a bit of a challenge and it's quite fun but fun event, and no one likes to be peppered.

For a period of time.

For a period of time.

So yeah, I would think we might see a bit of that from Australia this week.

So yeah, I would think we might see a bit of that from Australia this week.

Will it be Manus with the ball in hand or more to the point, we've seen him again working exceptionally hard in the knits in Adelaide, spending a lot of time.

Will it be Manus with the ball in hand or more to the point, we've seen him again working exceptionally hard in the knits in Adelaide, spending a lot of time.

He was the last to leave.

He was the last to leave.

The session on Tuesday night, two days out from the Test. It's clearly a very tricky time for a betterman win the around of runs.

The session on Tuesday night, two days out from the Test. It's clearly a very tricky time for a betterman win the around of runs.

What do you do if you what if you.

What do you do if you what if you.

Heard what if you sort of distincted from his performance all the reports and that he's looking proactive in the knits at the moment, but a head of better fight through these sort of a periods and and can you fight through them?

Heard what if you sort of distincted from his performance all the reports and that he's looking proactive in the knits at the moment, but a head of better fight through these sort of a periods and and can you fight through them?

Oh, it's not easy.

Oh, it's not easy.

I mean he's up against the best in the world in bun so it's not going to be easy for him.

I mean he's up against the best in the world in bun so it's not going to be easy for him.

But I think my plays best when he's looking to score.

But I think my plays best when he's looking to score.

And I think that's the you know, the message I'll be given to all the other players on both teams is you know, you always need to have that mindset of looking to score. And the the easiest thing is for us to tell him to do that.

And I think that's the you know, the message I'll be given to all the other players on both teams is you know, you always need to have that mindset of looking to score. And the the easiest thing is for us to tell him to do that.

The hardest thing is to actually go out in the middle and do that.

The hardest thing is to actually go out in the middle and do that.

And all I'd have to say to a player that's out of forming, and generally when you're out of form, when you're taking guard your seafielders, you see three slips and the gulley. You'll see a short legg of backward point and mid off and mid on. You see them.

And all I'd have to say to a player that's out of forming, and generally when you're out of form, when you're taking guard your seafielders, you see three slips and the gulley. You'll see a short legg of backward point and mid off and mid on. You see them.

When you're in real good mindset and confident form and you're in a positive state of mind, you just see the gaps. You'll see that there's an opportunity of extra covered a score. You'll see a midwiket open.

When you're in real good mindset and confident form and you're in a positive state of mind, you just see the gaps. You'll see that there's an opportunity of extra covered a score. You'll see a midwiket open.

You'll see you know there's no square leg on the boundary, so if it's short to be able to take on the pool shot. And that's all I'll say to a player in particularly someone like Miners, going to see the gaps when you take your go and look at the gaps, that's where you're going to get your runs. Don't even worry about the fielders now, because a great coach at mom when I was a kid, he always you to say to remember the three slips, and they've got there just there to watch your back.

You'll see you know there's no square leg on the boundary, so if it's short to be able to take on the pool shot. And that's all I'll say to a player in particularly someone like Miners, going to see the gaps when you take your go and look at the gaps, that's where you're going to get your runs. Don't even worry about the fielders now, because a great coach at mom when I was a kid, he always you to say to remember the three slips, and they've got there just there to watch your back.

They're just that they've got the best seat in the house to watch you back.

They're just that they've got the best seat in the house to watch you back.

And that's all I'll be saying to to all the players, is that you know, if you can try and make sure you look at the gaps and that's where you're going to score your runs, and then you can think like that, you'll be in a more positive state of mind.

And that's all I'll be saying to to all the players, is that you know, if you can try and make sure you look at the gaps and that's where you're going to score your runs, and then you can think like that, you'll be in a more positive state of mind.

Might just drag you back to England New Zealand, but more broadly, preps with this an issue overall.

Might just drag you back to England New Zealand, but more broadly, preps with this an issue overall.

In Stokes.

In Stokes.

Both New Zealand and England were docked points for slow over rates in Perth the first day Sydney Simonovs were bold. Now I remember you and in a couple of others last year and it was a great chat at the a CG talking about time lost to light, sorry time time loss to light and preps a little bit of spin your own and have fans pay to see as much quickly as you can. Has cricket got a slow over rate problem? Or was this more too much of a with a pin of these too harsh? And and why why can't we get three ninety overs in six and a half hours of play?

Both New Zealand and England were docked points for slow over rates in Perth the first day Sydney Simonovs were bold. Now I remember you and in a couple of others last year and it was a great chat at the a CG talking about time lost to light, sorry time time loss to light and preps a little bit of spin your own and have fans pay to see as much quickly as you can. Has cricket got a slow over rate problem? Or was this more too much of a with a pin of these too harsh? And and why why can't we get three ninety overs in six and a half hours of play?

Well, there's that many more delays than you know. There's reviews for everything these days, so I understand that, but I just don't think there's enough intensity to get the overs in I personally just make them play the overs.

Well, there's that many more delays than you know. There's reviews for everything these days, so I understand that, but I just don't think there's enough intensity to get the overs in I personally just make them play the overs.

You know.

You know.

I know it'd affect probably terrestrial stations because they've got to get off at a certain time. But most of the world are on pay per view dedicated sports cricket channels, and I'll be saying in the players, by the way, you're bowling the overs. So what that would do is make sure that the players would know they'd get through the overs in the first two session, because they wouldn't want to fot the over last session because it goes on forever. You know, I think they know that the finds don't affect them the World Test Match Championship points. Obviously, it's a fact in them more than any other team. That's why they're so low down in the championship. But the other thing is when I totally and with it. The game needs to be played at a quicker rate, and players need to get on with it a little bit better. And you know, I like celebrations, but when you see a celebration for one hundred going off for about four or five minutes of that, come on, get on with the game, you know. And that's a few of our things that have come into the modern game, which can kind of be quite easily wiped out. The other thing you could do if you're down on your overrate after day, when the oppetition get runs, I'll guarantee that the over eight would quick enough then. But you then look at the overrates and you start looking at you know, how much leeway these match referees seem to give the players.

I know it'd affect probably terrestrial stations because they've got to get off at a certain time. But most of the world are on pay per view dedicated sports cricket channels, and I'll be saying in the players, by the way, you're bowling the overs. So what that would do is make sure that the players would know they'd get through the overs in the first two session, because they wouldn't want to fot the over last session because it goes on forever. You know, I think they know that the finds don't affect them the World Test Match Championship points. Obviously, it's a fact in them more than any other team. That's why they're so low down in the championship. But the other thing is when I totally and with it. The game needs to be played at a quicker rate, and players need to get on with it a little bit better. And you know, I like celebrations, but when you see a celebration for one hundred going off for about four or five minutes of that, come on, get on with the game, you know. And that's a few of our things that have come into the modern game, which can kind of be quite easily wiped out. The other thing you could do if you're down on your overrate after day, when the oppetition get runs, I'll guarantee that the over eight would quick enough then. But you then look at the overrates and you start looking at you know, how much leeway these match referees seem to give the players.

There seems to be a lot of leeway.

There seems to be a lot of leeway.

But then I look at the other side of the fence and you look at England and New Zealand both being penalized for slow over eights in that first Test match in christ Church. But the game finished in four days and it was a great spectacle and every single support that went into that crowd to sell out crowd at the we're royally entertained, and you'd say that the crowd they were probably not even thinking about the over eight.

But then I look at the other side of the fence and you look at England and New Zealand both being penalized for slow over eights in that first Test match in christ Church. But the game finished in four days and it was a great spectacle and every single support that went into that crowd to sell out crowd at the we're royally entertained, and you'd say that the crowd they were probably not even thinking about the over eight.

So as much as the game needs.

So as much as the game needs.

To speed up, I do think the modern game of Test match cricket is becoming a great spectacle. I don't see too many boring draws or really flat wickets. You know, there's not many these days where five hundred and fifty played five hundred and fifty. You know, the first Test in Pakistan, you know, England won by getting eight hundred. It was a real road but they ended up winning the game. You know, I'm enjoying Test crickey. I think it's it's becoming a really good product and we just.

To speed up, I do think the modern game of Test match cricket is becoming a great spectacle. I don't see too many boring draws or really flat wickets. You know, there's not many these days where five hundred and fifty played five hundred and fifty. You know, the first Test in Pakistan, you know, England won by getting eight hundred. It was a real road but they ended up winning the game. You know, I'm enjoying Test crickey. I think it's it's becoming a really good product and we just.

Got to make sure that the pain.

Got to make sure that the pain.

But the best way to analyze it's like you pay one hundred dollars or whatever it cost to go and watch a Test match. Ninety overs is the allotted amount of overs that you should be seen for what you've paid. And there are times when I guess ten, twelve thirty percent of the overs our ball. You know, if you got things set back on your ticket price, I'd guarantee the administrators be slaying the players to get on with the overs.

But the best way to analyze it's like you pay one hundred dollars or whatever it cost to go and watch a Test match. Ninety overs is the allotted amount of overs that you should be seen for what you've paid. And there are times when I guess ten, twelve thirty percent of the overs our ball. You know, if you got things set back on your ticket price, I'd guarantee the administrators be slaying the players to get on with the overs.

And that makes a lot of sense.

And that makes a lot of sense.

Well, I might just just before we wind up a couple of questions and probably a couple of softballs for you, Michael. But Brett Lee, you talked about being peppered by him in two thousand and two, coming up to the twenty five year anniversary of his debut for Australia in the Boxing Day Test against India in.

Well, I might just just before we wind up a couple of questions and probably a couple of softballs for you, Michael. But Brett Lee, you talked about being peppered by him in two thousand and two, coming up to the twenty five year anniversary of his debut for Australia in the Boxing Day Test against India in.

Nineteen ninety nine. Just how quick was he? And what.

Nineteen ninety nine. Just how quick was he? And what.

Is he a nicer bloke than what he was with the ball, nice bloke with the microphone in hand, and what he was with the ball in hand when you were facing him.

Is he a nicer bloke than what he was with the ball, nice bloke with the microphone in hand, and what he was with the ball in hand when you were facing him.

Oh, he's one of the great man. Yeah, he's fantastic, great, great scene member on Fox. But it was a different cap when he got the ball in hand. You know, he wanted to hurt you. Hefrilly admits that he wanted to hurt batters. And you know what, in the game, we've got that, We've got a helmet, plenty of protection. You know, if I was a quick bowler, I think I'd have a similar mindset to try and put that as off, that kind of movement with real aggression body language.

Oh, he's one of the great man. Yeah, he's fantastic, great, great scene member on Fox. But it was a different cap when he got the ball in hand. You know, he wanted to hurt you. Hefrilly admits that he wanted to hurt batters. And you know what, in the game, we've got that, We've got a helmet, plenty of protection. You know, if I was a quick bowler, I think I'd have a similar mindset to try and put that as off, that kind of movement with real aggression body language.

The one thing Brett did he showed you the ball. He had a beautiful action. You know, there's one or two bowlers who probably through the air worked quite as quick but felt quickly because they had more unorthodox actions, you know, showing back to he kind of you lost the ball, We show him it's kind of went behind his elbow at times he could some flex that elbow and he kind of wears the ball. And Mitchell Johnson was quite suddenly sometimes lost the ball from around his back, which made it very very difficult.

The one thing Brett did he showed you the ball. He had a beautiful action. You know, there's one or two bowlers who probably through the air worked quite as quick but felt quickly because they had more unorthodox actions, you know, showing back to he kind of you lost the ball, We show him it's kind of went behind his elbow at times he could some flex that elbow and he kind of wears the ball. And Mitchell Johnson was quite suddenly sometimes lost the ball from around his back, which made it very very difficult.

Dale Stain I found very very difficult to pick up as well. But Brett was completely up there with the quick start of face. But because he showed you all the ball, you felt you had half a chance. But when he was swinging it, particularly that cooker were of all the opening burse when he was hooping it around corners away from right hand as he was a real hard proposition to face.

Dale Stain I found very very difficult to pick up as well. But Brett was completely up there with the quick start of face. But because he showed you all the ball, you felt you had half a chance. But when he was swinging it, particularly that cooker were of all the opening burse when he was hooping it around corners away from right hand as he was a real hard proposition to face.

And we touched on this at the start. But it's a passion of mine and I know you've been very involved, but you've got paddled basically. You know you heavily invested in paddle. Now for those that are not necessarily initiated, it's it's very popular sport, particularly through Europe, very big in Spain through parts of the Skin and Apre, etcetera. A hybrid of squash and tennis would be the best way to describe with at Michael and what she attracted to it. And you're I suppose you're investing in it and both from from a physical perspective, but also I suppose you're also involved in spreading the game through.

And we touched on this at the start. But it's a passion of mine and I know you've been very involved, but you've got paddled basically. You know you heavily invested in paddle. Now for those that are not necessarily initiated, it's it's very popular sport, particularly through Europe, very big in Spain through parts of the Skin and Apre, etcetera. A hybrid of squash and tennis would be the best way to describe with at Michael and what she attracted to it. And you're I suppose you're investing in it and both from from a physical perspective, but also I suppose you're also involved in spreading the game through.

The United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom.

Yeah, I mean, I mean it's a mixed with many many talents and squash many court under Arms. It's the most diverse game that I think I've seen across all sports because you know, we we were involved in creating the publical UK a few years ago, and you know that the age gaps that we have played on our courts from five right right through to ninety year old.

Yeah, I mean, I mean it's a mixed with many many talents and squash many court under Arms. It's the most diverse game that I think I've seen across all sports because you know, we we were involved in creating the publical UK a few years ago, and you know that the age gaps that we have played on our courts from five right right through to ninety year old.

Boys, girls and women, grandma's, Grandpa's.

Boys, girls and women, grandma's, Grandpa's.

Such a diverse set of different religions that are come into place. It's absolutely the game to just get foundlies to go. We're going players of four, you know, the family. We all fall out because we all want to win. But it's such a great game just to for one fitness. I don't think you need to play too many games to get okay. You know, I think tennis is too hard for anyone just to pick up because of the serb, whereas under Armed serves in Padulam. You know, everyone kind of picks it up quite quickly. Yeah, and it's also very social, you know, lots of sitting around having a brew, having the up.

Such a diverse set of different religions that are come into place. It's absolutely the game to just get foundlies to go. We're going players of four, you know, the family. We all fall out because we all want to win. But it's such a great game just to for one fitness. I don't think you need to play too many games to get okay. You know, I think tennis is too hard for anyone just to pick up because of the serb, whereas under Armed serves in Padulam. You know, everyone kind of picks it up quite quickly. Yeah, and it's also very social, you know, lots of sitting around having a brew, having the up.

Beer music kind of playing as you're playing.

Beer music kind of playing as you're playing.

And I was thinking, I mean, it's it's getting quite big in Australia. I play in Sydney, Melbourne, Berth with a lot more course I think that are arriving. You mentioned you're in Portugal Spain. Their courts are pretty much on every sh street in the UK. I can't remember what the amount of course we have in the UK at the minute, but it's growing rapidly.

And I was thinking, I mean, it's it's getting quite big in Australia. I play in Sydney, Melbourne, Berth with a lot more course I think that are arriving. You mentioned you're in Portugal Spain. Their courts are pretty much on every sh street in the UK. I can't remember what the amount of course we have in the UK at the minute, but it's growing rapidly.

It's it's the sport for everyone. All the footballers are obsessed with it.

It's it's the sport for everyone. All the footballers are obsessed with it.

So yeah, if you've not tried paddle tennis, I no pickleballs becoming quite popular here in Australia, get yourself down to your local paddle club and give it a go.

So yeah, if you've not tried paddle tennis, I no pickleballs becoming quite popular here in Australia, get yourself down to your local paddle club and give it a go.

Just just one because he talks about a can pimted vergie. When you're up against a family. But when you play against some of the Australian guys here, who's the best and who would you like to partner?

Just just one because he talks about a can pimted vergie. When you're up against a family. But when you play against some of the Australian guys here, who's the best and who would you like to partner?

I mean Tom Morris, the journalist. I've played against Tom and he's just he just tears around the court. He's got no discipline, so he's quite easy to beat. Gilly's very very good, huss Mister Cricket, Yeah, mister Cricket's excellent. I mean I've seen players like Sam Billings is good enough to be a pro. Josh Butler's excellent, Alex Hales is excellent. I think Abdaville is as you would expect, is a complete naturally can play too, very very high standard. It seems to be the go to game for for all cricketers as well around the world. I see them on Instagram wherever they are Saudi, whether it's in Dubai, Abby Dabby, South Africa, New Zealand, wherever they seem to be traveled. At the minute, they're finding paddle of courts, which is which is great. It's a great sport for that.

I mean Tom Morris, the journalist. I've played against Tom and he's just he just tears around the court. He's got no discipline, so he's quite easy to beat. Gilly's very very good, huss Mister Cricket, Yeah, mister Cricket's excellent. I mean I've seen players like Sam Billings is good enough to be a pro. Josh Butler's excellent, Alex Hales is excellent. I think Abdaville is as you would expect, is a complete naturally can play too, very very high standard. It seems to be the go to game for for all cricketers as well around the world. I see them on Instagram wherever they are Saudi, whether it's in Dubai, Abby Dabby, South Africa, New Zealand, wherever they seem to be traveled. At the minute, they're finding paddle of courts, which is which is great. It's a great sport for that.

Look, Michael, thank you so much again for joining the follow on the Fox podcast. We had you last year. It's a pleasure to have you one again this year and look really looking forward to seeing you in Adelaide and hoping it's a great peopball test.

Look, Michael, thank you so much again for joining the follow on the Fox podcast. We had you last year. It's a pleasure to have you one again this year and look really looking forward to seeing you in Adelaide and hoping it's a great peopball test.

Theses have to win.

Theses have to win.

It could be a long summer

It could be a long summer