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Been that pitch tank. Welcome back to the Fish Tank presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, Seth Lovett and the man with the best hands in the podcast business, Oj McDuffie, juice.
How you feeling today, man, I'm feeling pretty good man. But that's a good man. I don't know, big Seth. I see a lot of receivers trying to do podcasts now man. You know, so maybe because the receiver, right, it doesn't mean they have the best hands, right, all right, all right?
And if they want to challenge you, we'll have to capture all that on video. It'll be great content and promotion for the podcast. But my money is still on you.
Yeah. If I have anything left, I have my hand.
You got your hands.
I deactely got my hands.
I proved that all the time with these youngins always want to try my hands, man, I got that.
That is exactly right. Well, any guy who made his living with his hands is going to like to have a guest that can get him.
The rock, right.
And we've had a run of defensive players here and specialists, and I know you've kind of powered through it and you've been a little bit surly and you don't like seeing those guys that you call the wrong side of the ball. But not only did we get a guy from the offensive side of the ball, but he's a quarterback and he was a baseball player. You got to be in hog Heving Jews, please welcome Matt Moore into the fish tank. Matt, how you feeling, man.
I'm great, guys. How you guys doing doing good?
Man?
He's not only not only a baseball player, but how about this.
We were drafted in MLB by the same team. Do you know that, Matt?
I did not know that.
Yeah, so well was well before I'm been able to be teammates.
But even remembers me as a you know, as a young and when I played in football because it's family. But but yeah, I got drafted by the Angels as well, like.
Like you did, man, but you went with the twenty second round.
Twenty second round.
Yeah, I went to forty first. But I mean, shit, but whatever I got draft who counts right? Just numbers. You know, there's like eight thousand, there's eight thousand rounds, big seth for per team.
So it worked out pretty good.
Eight thousand is that right? Yeah, here's that many guys that are.
Well, that's what it makes me feel better about being the forty first round.
Well, Thursday, eight thousand, forty first is like damn near first round.
Damn right, you damn right. That's good. That's really good.
So so Matt, you know, being a California kid who signs with UCLA and then all of a sudden, the blink, and I man, you're the Brewing starting quarterbacks, a true freshman big staf.
We smiled when we read that.
You did some things that no true freshman ever done there since k big Down, since since Cade.
Yeah, man, how about that?
And you know we had k Down here in Miami and the name just brings back some fun memories. But it would seemed like, you know, you were on top of the world. Part after after your second season you transfer to UCLA, end up at the College of Canyons and you're playing baseball. Like we just talked about, Bro talk about that man, talk about that that transition right there.
Yeah, kind of a whirlwind two and a half, three years really out of high school. You know, I'm only thirty miles from UCLA's campus where I grew up, so it was kind of a dream of mine. And when I was getting recruited by them, you know, as a sixteen seventeen year old kid, you're like, man, it's the greatest thing in the world. So I didn't take any trips, I didn't do anything else. Once they offered, I committed. I was going and I was fired up. And as we all find out or learn in a good way or a bad way in this industry or.
Business or sport and football.
Things happened good or bad. But I had my opportunities as a true freshman, which is crazy. Never thought that would happen. I came in another kids, Drew Olson, who ended up having a really good career at UCLA. Corey Pause was still there as a senior. But just so happens, they both get hurt. I have the opportunity to play. Some things go well, some things don't, blah blah blah, go into the next year. So that was under Bob Toledo, which was awesome. You mentioned Kate McNown earlier Toledo coach McNown, which was really cool. That's kind of, in my opinion, being on the younger end. I guess that's kind of the heyday UCLA. You know, the mid nineties, the late nineties. I know there were some big games with the U somewhere in there.
I somewhat know.
The history a little bit. But so that was Bob Toledo, which was awesome. And then after my freshman year, things happened. Toledo's gone, we don't know, Carl Drell KD takes over, and so I ended up winning the job as a sophomore, and I get hurt Week one. I did meniscus and some other stuff in my knee, nothing major, but set.
Me out a couple of weeks. I think I was out seven weeks or something.
And things happened right and relationships form and bond with Drew and other guys, and he went on essentially to go on and take over that team, which which was excellent, but kind of why I left, I just I knew I could play in the Pac ten back then, didn't want to sit and wanted to kind of shoot my shot if you will. So I left and went to Juco. Had some really good coaches that were coaching at this junior college, and I didn't play. I got really lucky not red shirting, right, so I so I had a red shirt to burn, essentially. So I started just playing baseball in this kind of semi pro league through this junior college and ended up getting scooped up by the Angels. But then I was still working out football wise, obviously, and that's how Oregon State kind of came to and how I ended up.
There probably a lot of guys that are playing in this league that you're playing in. How many scouts come out to these type of games? Bro, It's like, I mean, it's hard to get discovered and bas especially in California. I know, there's a lot of games. There's perfect game tournaments, It's all kinds of things going on. Where's a lot of baseball going on. How the hell did like you had scouts there that were willing to pick you in the twenty second round of the draft.
Listen, I got lucky. I think it's just people.
I was well connected with some baseball people and they made some phone calls and you know, my dad spent some time in the Cardinals organization, and we have other close family friends.
Same thing with the Cardinals. And I had.
Always played baseball growing up, played in high school, and then obviously went the football route. So when I popped back up kind of in the baseball world, you know, obviously somebody was like, oh, I'm gonna go check this out.
And I actually remember we were playing a game at El.
Comuno College and the valley out here in southern California, and the Angel Scout was there and I ended up hitting two bombs, which was nice. So you know it's I guess timing is everything, you know what I mean?
Yeah? And what thing? What thing? Big said?
I was looking at some things before we got on here and played short stop in third some right, did you You didn't pitch it all?
Because usually quarterbacks pitch, right, Yeah?
So I pitched growing up, and when I was thirteen, right before high school, I broke the growth plate in my elbow pitching, and at that point I had realized I wanted to play quarterback. So I said, I'm done. I'm done pitching. I'll play the field, but I'm not going to pitch anymore. Just so I could throw football.
Yeah, well you hell, you get to mean short stop and third base, you get like, you know, ten twenty warm up, you know, ground balls from the first basement, you know, and then you get all the accent during the game, and so you're probably throwing about the same number of pitches.
Every every inning. Note Matt, you know, but I get it though, I feel you.
Yeah, yeah, so yeah.
That's not like a center fielder saying that. You know, he wasn't throwing the ball like you were throwing.
Was that what that was? No?
I was taking it real easy in center field, big, So yeah, I was taking it.
Really. My warm up was simple, you know what I mean. Depends on where we were.
It might have been, you know, either left field or right field. There's a few throws and I'm done with it.
You know.
It was it, OJG, you hit high in the order for you.
I let off. Yeah, I let off. And I'm gonna tell you what, man, it was. That was the only way to go, you know, because for me, I was you know, HIV from both sides of the plate, but getting on basis all I cared about, man, and I love baseball to this day.
Seth Hays Baseball by the way, you can tell.
You we've lost, that we've lost, and we're talking baseball.
This is this is your show. I just I'm answering the question.
So this is just a me and juice thing, Matt. This isn't value. This is definitely me and juice thing. But that's okay because I got the next question. So so this is where we're gonna go. So, look, Oregon State ends up being a godsend for you, right, get at some great run there and especially your final year, have a hell of a season. But unfortunately the draft rolls around and you don't get drafted. And we understand some guys are first round picks, right, they get the red carpet old out for him. They have the easy road, and then there's not. Now, look who's face just changed? Man, Look who's.
We can't get halfway through an episode?
Bro, you had to know the next question that was good?
You can't. We can't get halfway through an episode?
Man?
About me?
And I didn't say you juice. I just said some guys.
You're looking right at me. You're looking at me.
I mean, there's only one place to look. So anyway, the point that I'm trying to make here is that you don't get drafted. It's you know, you've already had to change schools, you already played baseball, you were doing all of this. Now you don't get drafted. You go to camp with the Cowboys and make it to that final cut, which you know everybody knows, anybody's been around football. That final cut is like the hardest one. It's almost like you, you know, rip the band aid off, right, But you make it to that final cut. Carolina scoops you up and you spend the first three years of your career there. Twenty eleven rolls around and you finally come to the right side with the right colors, and you sign with the Miami dollh Well, wouldn't you know it, who's on the schedule there during the preseason, But it's the Carolina Panthers. Now, we had a little bit of an inside track there because and it's so funny that we just had the Dolphins on hard on hard knocks, But hard knocks cameras were following you guys around your first season in Miami, and they're essentially in the damn huddle with you. I guess because there's a storyline you're playing Carolina, and we were just reminded by our guy Travis Wingfield that you walk into that huddle and you basically you don't call a play. You basically say fuck these people. So tell us, tell us a little bit about that, Like, you know, that's pretty that's a pretty strong statement.
I think it was more so just to get me going and get the guys going. I love Carolina, so there's no no uh no bad blood, but come on, I mean, you're on the gridiron. I mean I think I was getting booed and you walk in as the guy. It's like all of a sudden, you know, things were okay for me there for the most part, and then you walk in and.
Now all of a sudden they hate your ass.
And you're like, all right, well it's just a way to get me fired up and get the guys in the uddle fired up, you know.
Little I guess you learn those things as a as a backup.
You got to come in the huddle and you can't be uh, you can't just walk in and be like, all right, well we're gonna call this play.
Like you got to come in with some fire. And that's just what came out. That's just what came out, so I can't tell I can't take it back.
I guess you know, and I don't think you need to.
Yeah, And I love that big set.
I love the fact that obviously, you know, coming in there, there's a lot of confidence in that huddle with you, but the fact that you came in there and you showed them that, look, I'm ready to go, and really, honestly, you know, fuck these people is really about what it's all about, because you got to have that good icebreaker, and you know what I mean, and good quarterbacks have an icebreaker, no matter if you're the starter to back up or whatever, getting that huddle and no matter what the game is that icebreaker. I had a quarterback talking about a fight going on on thirty yard line, you know what I mean, or might have been well, other things that quarterbacks have talked about, but the icebreaker is critical to get everybody letting them know that I'm.
Ready to go. Man, you guys ready to go. I'm ready to go.
Yeah, and you know, you learn that, you know, being in those situations. I've had to walk in the huddles a lot over my career and and maybe that's not the best one, but it's it's always something and you just either crack a joke or you you know whatever, just let those guys know that, hey, we're gonna be all right, you know. And I said that before along the lines of my career. I'm sure the Miami media or something, but I you know, people ask all the time and former players, uh, you know, I'm sure of commenting on it. But it's you got to go in there with some sort of you know, you got to get their attention and and let them know that, hey, we're gonna we're gonna keep rolling.
Here. We start off on four in twenty eleven as we all as we all know, and you know that you're heading the Keys in week five and you know, we struggle against the Jets and here come your beloved Broncos. He talked about, oh my gosh, and they decided to start Tim Tebow Gator's Day at our stadium. Pissed me off beyond pistivity. If that's a word, big septh look it up as big as mayonnaise. It's a new one, my goodness, man. And we came with the ball talk about that just that were.
We up fourteen nothing with like two minutes left if I remember correctly, Yeah, yeah, I know it ended.
I fumbled in overtime to give them the ball in like the thirty or something like that. But that was kind of the start of t Bow that year, right, that was tebow media pro version.
But I hate it being at our stadium though, man, you know, I mean, I know what I know.
I know it was.
That was brutal.
I mean, we had that game one and like I said, it was probably two and a half minutes left and they rattled off fifteen or something and beat us.
Brutal, brutal.
Yeah, overtime, big seth. Was that overtime?
Yeah, that's exactly what it was, and it was it was. It was brutal in every sense in the world. Yeah, absolutely. And I full disclosure, full disclosure here, Matt, because you know, I'll just get out in front of juice here. I went to the University of Florida.
He's a Gator, right, I am a Gator. That's the only reason they even got into So.
Hold on, hold on before you keep going. When OJ texts me this morning, I said, all right, I'm gonna check some of these out. And I turned on the Caleb Sturgis episode and the whole Florida stuff.
For that one, I'm like, oh my gosh, so I know you're a Gator.
Yeah, okay, you did.
Your own research quarterback right there.
Actually, there aren't that many guys that do the research on us normally the other way around. My man watched his film, which is probably why he was so effective, to be able to just walk into a huddle regardless of circumstance. We're gonna talk more about it. So, yes, I am a Gator, but I also worked for Jason Taylor, so I need to telln't And I was a huge Gator fan. I actually used to bring j T and Zach Mark Dixon. We used to go up to Gainesville and watch the basketball games. You couldn't do anything but loved Tim Tebow when he was playing for the Florida Suits. That day was a little bit different, but the fact that it did, as you said, it was the springboard to to just the insanity. It was a tough pill to swallow.
It made.
A lot of guys.
I think.
The throw that year that he made against the Steelers in the playoffs to Demarius Thomas down the middle was insane. I don't know if you guys remember it, but I don't know what he go eighty.
It was a game winner, right, I think first played from scrimmage and overtime.
I mean, you lived for those situations, and uh, he conquered that one. So man, you know what beginning in the end of that whole that whole ride, we were all on there for.
A little bit. It's not give him too much credit.
You know, I like Tebow, but come on, everybody gets a little lucky one every once in a while.
Man, it was a epis. I get it, I give it.
But you also got a great receiver that made a you know, easy catching a long ass run for him.
It's like throwing it, you know, a now route or something, you know what I mean. So don't give it too much credit.
Bro, I hear you.
You know Seth wants to give him all the credit.
You don't get me going because it's just gonna leave me down. I still gotta go to work. If JT he loves the show he's got, he loves you, he's gonna listen to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that shouldn't have happened. It definitely shouldn't have happened.
All right, Speaking of.
That twenty eleven season. One of my favorite memories that I still tell people sometimes but involved Jason Taylor. I think we beat the Jets. It was hot. We beat the Jets that day. Actually, I think we had a nineteen play drive in that game, and I remember almost going to the oxygen tank with the Bigs.
Because it was brutal.
I think it was nineteen plays and we scored to Charles Clay. But anyways, I remember at the end of that game, we're in the victory formation and it was JT's last game and he's like the protector, the guy who stands on the back.
Just in case of fumble or something.
And I'll never forget I got to take the knee, took the knee, turned around and gave.
The ball to JT.
And like I was got to, like, you know, be the first one to congratulates Hall of Fame career, you know, as a teammate.
It's it's a pretty cool story and I love that story. I'm glad I got to experience that story. And I'll never forget it. Man was great.
That is great, and I'm glad you got him that ball because you know, next thing, you know, Kenda Lankford and Paul solely. I hoisted him up on their shoulders and he was gone, gone.
Yeah, actually do you remember in that game too, and ended up not counting, but it was like Sanchez or somebody fumbled.
And he and he ran it back and scored and it.
Oh.
I remember watching it just being like, this is insane, this is insane.
The place was going nuts. I mean it was like storybook. You know.
That would have been his tenth no way to go, Yeah, take it home.
It was pretty cool.
That would have been the same, very cool stuff. So by the end of the twenty eleven season, though, you know, horrific start. Oh and seven I think was the way that season started. But we've won six of our last nine games, you know, and you basically that that became your team that year, and there were some really gutsy performances. It was the most significant playing time of your entire NFL career, and you absolutely became a fan favorite. I think for so many reasons. You know, everybody wanted a quarterback to be successful here in Miami, but I think your style of play, the fact that you weren't afraid to go stick your nose in there. You would run, you'd you know all those things. You really had won this city over in a lot of ways. But then come April, the Dolphins used the eighth overall pick in the draft on a quarterback, right, and so Ryan Tannehill comes in here, and then we signed David Garrard who had had, you know, a really great career in Jacksonville, And so you go from from finally kind of what I would imagine is like, oh man, this is starting to play out the way I want my career to be. To now a lot of people think you're the odd man out in the camp in twenty twelve. Talk about what that experience was like for you. How you balance knowing that you can play in this league, that you can offer a team something, but you also have your five years in your career. Now, You're not naive, you know how it works. You know they just spent a top ten pick on a quarterback. How do you balance all of that and maintain professionalism?
It's just like anything else. I mean, there was frustrations, don't get me wrong, early on. I mean you're just competing every day for a spot, right, You're being evaluated every day you walk in the door, and everything you do, and like you said that was year five or six or whatever it was for me. So lessons have been learned, you know, you realize what's going on and what's at stake. That was the Hard Knocks training camp, actually twenty twelve. You add that mess onto it. It was difficult, you know. Honestly, I think David ended up getting hurt late in training camp somehow. Honestly, I think if he doesn't get hurt, I am the odd man out and who knows what happens. But unfortunately for him, he injured himself somehow. And we move forward with with Ryan and myself, but just the constant battle, I mean, it was I learned a lot. Ryan and I obviously grew together, which I think was beneficial for us as individuals and for the organization moving forward. So once we got over that and that, you know, they're speaking of Hard Knocks, there's that whole scene where Zach Taylor tells me, hey, we're going to go with Ryan and I walk out all.
Pissed off and whatever, you know, and then that was it.
I'm like, okay, well, okay, I'm the two and I'm gonna be the best two I can possibly be.
That was it.
I really enjoyed Miami. I didn't want to go anywhere obviously, I signed back there like four times.
Yeah, I liked it there, so so I accepted my role at that point and tried to make the team better however I could moving forward.
I mean, that was kind of my approach.
Yeah, man, that's a great point.
Was I was thinking the same thing about you did sign back here knowing we had a young quarterback?
Did you?
I mean, and you signed back here a couple of times? Like what really went into that decision? Just what could just have been? How nice out floor it is? I mean, and did you get any other opportunities elsewhere? Is a question?
You know, Yeah, there was.
I was a pre agent a couple of times, and there was there was some interest, but I didn't understand making like a lateral move like oh yeah, go back up you know whoever.
I don't remember what the teams were.
But you have those conversations like, oh, yeah, we'll give you a job to compete, and I was like, well, I compete here every day, so I'm not going to uplift everything and go and just to go do the same thing. I'm fully invested in this organization, in these guys in this locker room. Like you said, twenty eleven was a really good experience looking back, even though we started out poorly. But for me personally, it was a positive experience, and I was just I really liked where.
I was at professionally, so that's kind of why I hung around.
So I'm gonna go a little off script. But we barely have to well not only that, but I mean, obviously we had to throw this thing together. Thankfully Matt was willing to jump on, so we Gosh, I don't even remember now, it wasn't last season. Was the previous season Sage Rosefelt's was on the Space and Sage, you know, spent his entire career right you know. I guess there's some parallels there in the sense that he was the number two in a lot of different cities actually, and he talked about the good and the bad that comes with it. But he was funny one part. He was like, you know, being the number two quarterbacks not the worst thing in the world, especially now you you backed up a young guy. He's like, if you're backing up a guy who a Brett Farv, like I think in Minnesota backed up Brett Farv he goes, you got some guys that like, do not come out of the game, and he's talking about you get a round of golf on Friday and you do all this kind of stuff. To talk about the mindset. Did you have the mindset that, hey, I'm literally one snap away and I need to prepare like the starter each and every time. Or were there moments where you're like, this isn't so bad to watch the game from this perspective.
I think it's a little bit of both.
I understood that I was one play away, right, so you know the cliche answers, You prepare as a starter and you do all that, which I think I did, and I think I proved that I did when I had the opportunities to play. But at the same time, I knew the nice lifestyle of the backup. You know, you get that opportunity to play, you have to produce. You have to you have to or in my opinion, you're out. You know, there's somebody else that can come in and throw you know, forty percent and a couple of picks and.
Be a bad locker room guy. They can get anybody to do that, right, right, you know what I mean? So I knew.
I knew life was good, But then I also knew when it was time to go, it's time to go, and you have an opportunity to cut yourself a little piece of this pie that that is this year's Miami Dolphins team or whatever team it is. So I took pride in that, and I look forward to the opportunities. I never wanted Ryan to get hurt or anything or whatever, but when it was my time to play, I was going to be ready and try my best to be ready and go out and win win a ball game.
Well he did that, absolutely, definitely did that. You know, there's that expression and that the most popular player on a football team is the number two quarterback, right, And that's just because fans and how fickle they are, and especially if you don't have Patrick Mahomes, right, you know, if you don't have somebody that is just going to be a Hall of Famer, and you know it before they even hang up the cleats, uh. And even then sometimes people want to see that that backup. But I felt that your situation as a backup was so much different because your first year here, you started twelve games. Like we knew, it wasn't like we never really knew and we only saw you play really good fourth quarters in the preseason, like we knew what you could do as a starting quarterback. And so I think that I think, I don't know, that's just speculation, but I think that that's part of the reason why you were so popular here. You know, even in.
That dog any man, Seth, could you see can you tell that?
Could you see that as a receiver, as a former player, so.
I can see that, man, I could see that, man, you know what I mean? And then you know, I didn't even know about the you know what I mean? Fuck these people quote until you know what I mean. That's my said, he's really my dog, man, You kidding me? So that I want to see. That's what I want to see in the huddle, man, That's what I want to hear. And that's what I want to see in the locker room.
Man.
Matt had that dog any man, and that's what I loved about him being our quarterback.
Bro. I promise you that so good.
That's so good.
I was afforded those opportunities to be uh, to be a little odd being the two because I wasn't in front of the cameras. You know Ryan was the one up there talking and he was the one that had to be corporate a certain way. I was allowed Yeah exactly, I was allowed to be you know yourself.
Yeah exactly, You're allowed to be yourself.
Man.
And I'm gonna tell you, bro, it's it's it's it's it's amazing.
How you know you talk about big Seth, how popular number two is, man, but when you got number two, that's that good?
Yeah, that was my craze a little something.
I think you just said it better and more efficiently than I was trying to. Yeah, yeah, I think that was my points. We we just we knew, we knew who was there, and it wasn't just like what he could be because we had seen it. So, as I said, you spend a huge chunk of your career here in Miami through the twenty seven teen season, but then in twenty eighteen you're out of football. You know, you're not with the Dolphins anymore. I guess I had read there were some offers, but you chose. And maybe this lends itself to the question you answered for Juice a little bit earlier. But like, were you considering going somewhere else? Were you just trying to process that you've been doing this now for you know, however long eight nine seasons because you were just out of football, and then you know, I'm just wondering, kind of, at what point do you say, I want to so much of what Juice tells me and everybody tells me what football is. It's the games are great and the checks are great, but it's everything that you have to do. It's not a game, you know, it's not a game.
You tell two fun days, I tell them, it's two fun days. In football, there's Sundays and pay days.
You know what I mean? So, yeah, exactly, but yeah.
Yeah, So twenty seventeen, I mean, I wanted to stay with the Dolphins. That was Case. I don't know, he was there a couple more years. I can't remember when he ended up leaving, but we had talked about coming back and there wasn't an offer from the Dolphins, so I don't think it was very great if there was one, and I kind of realized my time was done, like if this is there's obviously they don't see value in me anymore, and Okay, I'm gonna move on. And there were other offers from other teams, it's funny Kansas City being one of them. And for some reason, I just once it kind of went south with Miami.
I was just like, you know what, I'm I'm I'm over this. I'm done, and so I chose not to sign.
I had the opportunities to sign and with other teams, and I was like, you know.
What, I'm just gonna I'm gonna kind of live life right now.
I had I just had my third kid, and I was totally happy with being done.
And so that's what I did. I was just done.
And then right after that, Chris Greer calls me. He's like, hey, I got a little project for you. I don't know if you were going to go here, but I figured i'd talk about it.
Yeah, right, Chris, we were, we were going there. Yeah.
Yeah.
So Chris calls me and was like, hey, I got this idea because I had always once I got to know all the scouts, they and Chris, they'd all been there forever. You know, they've been there for a long time. You see him at the lunch table, you see him wherever. And so I got to know a lot of these guys and I would always ask questions and then once I got to know him. I'd always give him hard time about how they make the wrong decisions and this and that, you know, kind of friendly, friendly banter, you know, And but I was I was genuinely interested in the process and how how they get to where they're at and how they evaluate players and this and that. So I think because of that, Chris called me. I was like, hey, why don't you evaluate you know, these twelve quarterbacks or whatever.
And I was like, Chris, I don't. I don't know what I'm doing. He's like, sure you do.
I said, no, I don't, and he's like, look, just just if you're interested, this is an opportunity for you. Just come do it a little, a little side project. So I did and it was awesome. I loved it. But you talk about being frustrated with playing football and not being around the family and not you know, having any freedoms, I mean, the scouting part of it.
I only did it for a short amount of time and I was never home. I'm like, this ain't. This ain't for me. But I enjoyed it, which is weird to say.
I love doing it, but I was like this is and living in La too, like just getting too lax and back. I mean that's a day and a half trip in itself, right, Like, I was like, I'm just I'm never home and this is this is not what I want. But I was thankful for the opportunity and I got to hang out with those guys for an offseason and I learned a lot about the other side of the game that I had always joked around with Chris and whoever else with.
I can never get into it, Bro, The time that's already spent as a player is nothing compared to the time spent as a coach, and definitely as a scout. That's watching all those guys wearing glasses and shit now, man, like they watched so much film. Man, they can't even freaking see Bro, you know, I mean, I don't see you where and you see I'm wearing glasses and that's just because I'm almost fifty five.
But that's a different story, you know what I mean.
So you know what tripped me out about the scouting And it's so funny and you're so spoiled as a player, like even in college, right, like I'd never if I was going somewhere for football, Like the flight was taking care of my hotel, was taking care of my food's taking care of dadad when.
I was on the road doing this, like I had to do it all myself.
And I was like hold on, yeah, like wait a minute, well I just played for you last year everything, you know, so yeah, totally, and I experienced that, and I was just like, holy smokes, you know this is crazy, But it was kind of a funny side to it, like yeah, exactly, this is real life, man, And uh and uh, you're you're really spoiled as a player for sure.
Well you know, obviously we talked a little bit about, you know, what you've done helping out Miami as a scout and you know, leading up to the draft, and then you're you're prepping to be like a high school ball you know, the coach.
Were you going to coach high school?
That's not even fair first and foremost, you know what I mean, for any professional guy to coach high school ball, it's like and but you know, you still need a little bit of talent. But you can beat people in high school with schemes and smarts, right compared to like, you know, some of the college things and of course the pros man. But you know, you get a call from the Chiefs, like you talked about what was was it like, you know, getting your mind and body back ready to play football instead of like you know, I mean just sitting back and chilling it, and you know, and then to replace the Chiefs backups and you're the backup now to who of all people are man Chad Henney. Yeah, I mean so it's like talk about all. I mean, this is all, this is our family. It's like full circle stuff. Man, talk about that.
That was crazy. Man.
My agent the day before everything happened, he had got a call obviously from Kansas City, because he had been calling me the whole year I was out.
He would call me, you know, I had opportunities and I was like no, no, no, no, nah.
And then this happens the following year, and so he kind of was like, hey, just a heads up, like something might be going something might be happening, and like you really you need to think about this. And then Coach Reid called me the next day and was like, look, this is a situation.
Chad broke his ankle.
This is a pretty urgent situation considering it's week four in the preseason and we have nobody else like whatever. So it didn't take me long to get in it. I mean two things, Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I was like, oh, I gotta go do this.
I have to.
And I was like, I know I'm out of shape and I'm not ready, but I'll get ready, Like I will this, I'm making it all.
We got to talk about that question right there.
Out of safe as a quarterback, it's not as big a problem for most posicians, right, bro.
I was out of shape.
He hadn't played in the year Jude. It wasn't like a month.
I was out of shape.
I was out of shape, and I just I don't know. I just told myself I'm gonna I'm gonna figure it out and then prayed that nothing happens, well I don't have to play, which I ended up, you know, six weeks later. But but I kind of hit it hard man. I got there.
So that day I left whatever it was, it was like it was a Tuesday.
I flew out there, did all the physical stuff, and then the next day we flew to Green Bay for the fourth preseason game, for a Thursday night game.
And crazy, I mean literally, I hit it.
I just hit it, and I went and it was Actually my family stayed in California, so I had no need to rush home to anything, so I'd stay in the office and learn as much as I can and got the body back in shape.
You're right, OJ, I mean, it didn't take me too long.
I'm glad you met it. Thank you, bro Hey. I worked with Marino Man. Hey.
I worked with Marino man and he didn't even take the lafts around the field. He went straight to the stretch station, you know what I mean. We had somebody a lot of stuff. So I get the quarterback life.
Man. I'm I'm not jealous. I just you know what I mean a little bit.
My biggest thing was my arm. Like I was like, oh, man, it's my arm going to be in shape? Like, am I going to be able to, you know, make the deep outcuts from across the field or whatever.
And I remember scout running Scout team early on coach reads like, how's the arm. I'm like, Oh, it's coming, you know it's coming, And you know, I don't know if I could launch a deep post or something, and he was just like, Oh, you'll be fine. You'll be fine, You'll be fine. And then solely but surely it came along, but I knew I wasn't.
I wasn't where I used to be for a couple of weeks, but we ended up getting there thankfully.
Well, speaking of taking shots, and and you had mentioned how you were hoping that you wouldn't be in the game, and we had just talked about you know, guys Sage backing up Brett Favor, what have you. Well, Pat Mahomes does get hurt that season, that first season that you're there. So here you are, However, many months prior, you're out of football, apparently out of shape, getting you know, he's in high school coaching shape juice, and he's getting ready to do that. And now it's Thursday night football. The entire country is watching and you've got to go in there. But as we have found out in Miami, things aren't terrible. If you've got that Tyreek Hill guy lining up on one side or the other, I think you hit him from fifty seven yard. Talk about that, because obviously we have now found out what you all knew for quite some time. But talk about that game and and really getting in for the most significant action that you had had in in like I think three four years. Yeah, getting in that game.
I think I had to get over the shock of Patrick getting hurt on a quarterback sneak.
You know.
Yeah, it was like I honestly was like, are you serious, Like are you kidding me?
Right now? I was like, well, it's time to go. Here we go. You know, that was brutal for Pat.
Obviously I'm glad he came back and is doing doing, but yeah, I mean I was, I was excited.
I was nervous.
You know, I had only been there for six weeks, and obviously I get my fair share of mental reps and this and that, and that's where the kind of the extra hours come into play and.
The preparation whatever you put in. But I remember early on it was kind of some short stuff. He tried to coach. He tried to get me in a little rhythm. We come over to the bench and he's finally like, we gotta we gotta throw this thing. We gotta throw this thing. And we ended up hitting that deep onto Tyreek, which was sweet.
But then obviously it helps, like Pat goes out of the game, the next possession for Denver Flacco was like fumble recovery for a touchdown. All right, So I'm spotted even more points, which is nice. I'm like, okay, I just gotta can't screw this thing up and we're gonna walk out of here, all right.
So but yeah, you're right.
I mean Tyreek and and that year was insane.
It was Tyreek, Sammy Watkins and Travis Oh my god, and Damian Williams.
A former Dolphin. I mean, it was awesome. It was awesome.
So you you said that coach reading you guys decided you had to take a shot. Tyreek didn't have any input on that. He well, you guys, you guys know now.
I mean he's always saying something.
He's always talking something.
So I think I missed him.
It's funny because I again, I'm still our relationship is still new, and I never played in a game with them, and I think I missed him early on on something, and he he was kind of frustrated, and I was.
Just like, ten, stay with me, ten, just just give me a moment. Just hang with me. And he, you know, he was like I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, you know, but I couldn't read him. I thought he was pissed at me, and I'm like, just relax, man, Like, let me get my feet weight here. So but then we ended up hitting it and yeah it was pretty good.
Then all was good. I'm sure I love it too.
Good.
Well, Matt, this has been a spectacular Again this idea that we had an emergency. We we we had a guest that didn't work out, juice call, and you just you know, same thing. You warmed up, the arm, you showed up, and here you are. That's right, and you have delivered. But here we are now at the end of this podcast. We're gonna end it the way we end every episode, and how how else would you end an epic game? But with a two minute drill? Right, So we have what we call the fish tank two minute drill. Normally, when we roll this out and we've got like a full back or a defensive tackle in here, they get a little squirrely, like their eyes get big, and we tell them I think alec Ingold the Dolphins Pro Bowl full he was like, I got the four and the six minute drill down. I don't know about the two minute drill. But our quarterbacks come in here and they they eat it up. You do not look nervous at all. So we're gonna put imaginary two minutes here up on the clock. We're gonna throw some quick hitting questions. Do you want timeouts? We'll give you a couple if you want them. You can manage this huddle. This is your drill. Say, he'll take him if he needs him. There it is. I like it.
Really offer one man? Do you want one? Or no? We're not giving any more than one.
Bro, let's go. Let's go. No timeouts.
Oh, I love it.
That's what I'm talking about. I will say. Damn.
Marino also said the same thing, because I don't need no time out. So so that's that dog you're talking about.
Dog.
All right? The two minute clock is starting now.
All right, Matt, you worked and we talked about the Dolphins scouting department prepping for the draft. Would Matt Moore have drafted Matt Moore?
Oh? In the late round? For sure?
I love it?
Why late though? White? Late Bro?
Well, you know, I mean, I mean values stood where it was.
You gotta have.
You gotta have some self awareness in this in this business. And uh, all right calling the mid round late round like.
It's okay, he's looking he's still got to keep his job with this, but he's got to get value Okay, you don't want to overdraft him. All right, So since you you said you kind of learned the way things happen in this league, money he considered. You gotta consider the money. Would you rather have had the long NFL career that you had or a five year baseball career major league baseball, not riding buses.
It's a great question. I'm gonna I'm gonna take the path that I chose in football.
That's a great answer. Okay, all right, all right, here's the next question. Who is better baby Cheetah that you played with or the man Teeta that we see now?
Ooh, that is a great question. Oh man, I'm gonna say he's better now. He's ever evolving. Yeah, and he's here, he's totally he's he was great then. Don't get me wrong. I would take Kansas City Tyrek any day. But he, Man, he's changing the game.
Yeah, it's it's a pretty amazing that his age is still one of those the top guys at that position right.
Not slowing, totally.
Man, and he the way he plays, he obviously he plays bigger than he is.
He is. He's a unique man, different guy.
No doubt. All Right, the clock is running. Here's the last question for you, Matt. This might be a tough one. The all time greatest Miami Dolphins quarterback who also played for the Kansas City Chiefs is.
Who also played.
Yes, he had to have played for the Miami Dolphins and the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm trying to really narrow you into a box here.
I know, and I feel feel like I.
Love I was thinking.
I thought I I thought it was. I thought, oh sorry, question time out?
Okay, good, he's top the clock just in time there. Compose yourself. Compose yourself now, I didn't.
I didn't think I was. I was allowed to answer myself.
He's looking at the sidelines and he's holding his head. He's like, I can't hear the quarterback. The coach communications system is not working right, you've mad.
I appreciate it.
You got it there, It is all right. Well that's the two minute drill. He is Matt Moore. We can't thank you enough for spending his time with us. This was a lot of fun.
I wish it didn't take so much fun, man, I know it would be too man, Matt Man, thank you for diving in man.
Yep, thank you guys. I appreciate I appreciate you reaching out. I'm glad we finally did this, man, and that's good stuff. You're now diving.
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