In the final episode of The Elephant for 2025, we ask should the workplace reward fairness or flawless performance?

DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusioin) promises opportunity for all. MEI (Merit, Excellence says only the best should rise. Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell bring together Alexia Hilbertidou, Kara Smith, Dr Oliver Hartwich, Katie Bhreatnach, and Yaron Brook to debate the clash dividing bosses, employees, and the culture of success itself.

Who wins, who loses,  and what really makes someone succeed?

The Elephant is made with support from NZ On Air

In the final episode of The Elephant for 2025, we ask should the workplace reward fairness or flawless performance?
DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusioin) promises opportunity for all. MEI (Merit, Excellence says only the best should rise.&nbsp;Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell bring together Alexia Hilbertidou, Kara Smith, Dr Oliver Hartwich, Katie Bhreatnach, and Yaron Brook to debate the clash dividing bosses, employees, and the culture of success itself.
Who wins, who loses,&nbsp; and what really makes someone succeed?
The Elephant is made with support from NZ On Air

The Elephant is New Zealand's boldest new podcast and video series, fearlessly tackling the tough topics we often avoid discussing in a world where the risk of causing offence or risking cancellation can stifle open kōrero. 

Hosted by veteran journalists Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell, listen every week for diverse viewpoints, tough questions, open minded discussions and expert commentary. 

To watch the video episodes, check out The Elephant on YouTube or www.nzherald.co.nz

The Elephant is made with support from NZ on Air

The Elephant is New Zealand's boldest new podcast and video series, fearlessly tackling the tough topics we often avoid discussing in a world where the risk of causing offence or risking cancellation can stifle open kōrero.&nbsp; Hosted by veteran journalists Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell, listen every week for diverse viewpoints, tough questions, open minded discussions and expert commentary.&nbsp;
To watch the video episodes, check out The Elephant on YouTube or <a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz">www.nzherald.co.nz</a>
The Elephant is made with support from NZ on Air

Veteran journalists Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell tackle the tough questions we're too afraid to ask

The Elephant

The Elephant is New Zealand's boldest new podcast and video series, fearlessly tackling the tough topics we often avoid discussing in a world where the risk of causing offence or risking cancellation can stifle open kōrero. 

Hosted by veteran journalists Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell, listen every week for diverse viewpoints, tough questions, open minded discussions and expert commentary. 

To watch the video episodes, check out The Elephant on YouTube or www.nzherald.co.nz

The Elephant is New Zealand's boldest new podcast and video series, fearlessly tackling the tough topics we often avoid discussing in a world where the risk of causing offence or risking cancellation can stifle open kōrero.&nbsp; Hosted by veteran journalists Miriama Kamo and Mark Crysell, listen every week for diverse viewpoints, tough questions, open minded discussions and expert commentary.&nbsp;
To watch the video episodes, check out The Elephant on YouTube or <a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz">www.nzherald.co.nz</a>

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