The volume The Draymond Green Show presented by FanDuel Sports Book. No better place to bet the action than on FanDuel Sports Book during the football season. There's a lot of reasons. It's America's number one sports book. Incredibly easy to use, super safe, totally secure, super fast payouts in as quick as two hours. You're not gonna get that anywhere. Also, same game parlay bets, live betting. It's the best. There really is no competition. Hey, if you're new, just download the FanDuel Sports Book App. I did it in fifteen seconds. Get started now sign up. Please use the promo code Colin so they know we sent you. Please use the promo code Colins CEO l I N FanDuel sports Book App. Sign up. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show. This is episode eight, and I had the opportunity to have an incredible conversation with a Hall of Famer, a legend, town legend, incredible defensive player of nine time All Defensive First Team, the legend none other than the Glove. Like I said, town legend. Obviously you know my ties to the town. Uh that's a you know, O G who Since I came out. Here's kind of always tapped in with me and always show love. And obviously everything has come for a circle with with Young GP, the Young Glove, you know, being with the Dubs and playing incredible basketball. I know, as Pops as proud, and so we had an incredible conversation, and my favorite part of the conversation was the very beginning, and I think selfishly that that was my favorite part of the conversation. So you alway definitely had the opportunity to hear the conversation. I think it was fantastic and as you know, you know, we both can chatted up a little bit. That's kind of what we do. So I'm looking forward to that and I'm looking forward to sharing that with you guys. But first we need to talk about a few things going on around the association. Uh. Starting with I think everybody wants to hear about my thoughts on the Warriors, Uh, the Warriors Nuggets game that was postponed when I was in COVID protocol, And the reality is it probably helped me because that was one less game that I missed only and up missing two games and then obviously getting back the other day against Miami first game back at Chase Center. Felt good to be back with the guys after missing a couple of games. Sitting there watching it on TV sucks, and for me personally, I'm sitting there watching on the TV like go plax, some go go like feeling like I'm I'm there and those guys can hear me. So it's definitely, definitely was great to be back on the floor. I think I had a pretty good first night out against Miami. I thought I was gonna finish that game with twenty assists after having ten assist in the first half, but it didn't quite go that way. But nonetheless, it was a great win for us. But uh, speaking back to the postponement of the game, I thought it was complete bullshit. And the reason I did was because, as my tweets said, you put certain rules in place so you don't have to deal with that, and they didn't follow those rules. Denver didn't follow those rules. You know. So you add a couple of guys here that you say questionable, uh due to these injuries that no one can say, oh, that guy can actually go out there and play. But yet a night and a half later they're out there playing, you know, so I thought that was garbage. I thought it probably should have been a forfeit because now we're going to have to go back to Denver on the back to back. We have a game March eight versus the Clippers at home. Now we have to go play in Denver March seventh, play at home against the Clippers on March eight, and then fly back to Denver my March nine to play against Denver March ten. So, as I said in my tweets, advantage Denver and a game that we would have one, it's now probably a scheduled loss. And and I thought that was totally unfair. You can even look at the Brooklyn Nets, uh that you know, a team that had three games postponed, and you know we cut them a little bit of slack because I don't I'm not quite sure that the rules were exactly intact when the team got hit with COVID, But you canceled three games in a row, that would have been three losses for the Brooklyn Nets. Now say it comes down to us versus the Brooklyn's in the finals, and that and that changed the home court advantage. It's unfair. And so I thought it was garbage. I thought it should have been a forfeit on on Denver's behind. Obviously we're not making a thing or forfeit, but you can clearly tell they took advantage of the rules. They added guys as questionable, said those guys couldn't play, so they didn't meet the threshold of the minimum amount of players to play a game. And then yet our team is sitting there in Denver, would know for three days and doesn't play a single game, and then it's going to have to go back. So I didn't think that was fair. We've had to play games without our guys, with myself being one of those guys, and yeah, you know, we could have did the same thing, um going to Toronto where you know some of us didn't didn't didn't play in that game. We could have put more guys down this questionable as well and did the same thing. And so if you put rules in play, stick by them. It can't be a case to case by case basis because it changes for everyone and it's a competitive advantage. So I thought that was totally unfair. I thought it was garbage, and I thought it should have been handled away differently by the league than it was. Speaking of COVID situations, Kyrie returning, and Kyrie is returning tonight, and I think we're all excited as just as a basketball fan, you're excited to see Kyrie join that team and and you know, bringing that team to full strength. They prepared to play with Kyrie and so now that he's getting an opportunity to do that only in world games, as we know, it's exciting, if you know, and Kyrie is one of the most exciting players to watch in the league. So you know he's gonna Kyrie. It's kind of that, you know, six six one six to whatever Kyrie is, but walks around with shoulders like he's seven ft. You know he's gonna come back. Uh, straight pedal to the meadows. No trying to find a rhythm. It's not how Kye operates. So I'm looking forward to that. I think all basketball fans is looking forward to Kyrie getting an opportunity to play. So that will happen tonight in Indiana, and I think Indiana might want to watch out because I know that boy is coming back. I'm sorry, that man is coming back with Avengeance and it's gonna be good. So I'll be tuned in and locked in and watching an hour before if it lines up with with with when we play. Um, I think they play an hour before we play, so maybe I'll get a chance to see a little bit of it, but if not, I'll just catch it on film because I am excited to see Kyrie and his shifting nous get back out there on that floor with his scoring ability. And I mean, we all know Kyrie is an incredible player, So definitely looking forward to that Kyrie joining back with with the nets. Quinn Snyder made some comments the other day where he said, uh, I should be in the m v P conversation, and I actually spoke about it in my press conference the other night. Is I agree. And the reason I agree is because if you can't watch me play and realize that scoring scoring the basketball isn't the only thing that makes you great, as I always say, you probably just don't understand what you're watching. And yet you know so many people everybody in their mom I always sell football player of friends of mine. I'm enviously you guys, because you have eleven guys running out there on your team, eleven guys on the other team. People can't begin to even try to come up with what coverage you're in or what defensive scheme you're in, what read was wrong? You know who catches flat like a receiver for dropping the ball, or running back for not um running the ball well, or quarterback for throwing a pick or a d Vegan burned. But sometimes when that dB get birth is actually the free safety fall. But because there's so much going on in the football field, people can't really make that out. And so I always tell my football guys, who are my friends that play football? Is I'm enviously you guys, because everyone and their mom thinks they know the game of basketball and it's so far from true. I always tell people I studied this game every single day for hours on end, as most as most people doing their cry. Yet they think they know the game better than me. And this is what I do for a living. This is what I study daily. What you give your all too is what I give to the game of basketball. And yet people think they understand the game as good as us. And so when Coach Snyder said that, I was very appreciative of it because I do feel that way. I do feel like I'm one of the best players in the league. I do feel like every night. I am doing incredible things to make sure my team wins the game. And obviously, you know I played next to the ultimate m VP candidate and Steph Curry. But I do think I should get some consideration. And you know that consideration may not be Top three, as there are so many great players in the running for that award, but just to be out there on that list, uh, in the top ten being considered for that award, I think it's incredible and I think with all the things that I do, I can't disagree with Coach Snyder. I agree one, but we know how it goes. You know, you're not averaging twenty five thirty points a game, you don't really uh get any acknowledgement for that award. And it's fine, Um, it's fine. As we all know, I do have my eyes set on that Defensive Player of the Year A War and so you know that's, uh, that's my old and that's what I'll continue to push for. That War really means a lot to me, and you know, I'm trying to add that to my trophy case, add another one to my trophy case. So I definitely agree with Coach Schnyder, and I hope those voters agree to and send a couple of bullshoo boy away. That's all I ask for. And then um, before we get to the interview with the O G. I think lastly, we are all excited and anticipating Clay Thompson's return. You know, a lot of people make something of Clay walking off the court hold enough six fingers, um and his warm up the other night, and a lot of people are saying that he was holding enough six fingers that mean in six days until his January knife returned. Unfortunately, guys, I get the same information you get. I get it right off the internet. Clay Thompson's possibly returned on January knife. What I can't tell you is this guy has been flying around the facility and I don't just meet on the basketball court. He's breathing, he's hyped, he's dr let's go this that I mean, his energy is through the roof. So if that takes us to a January night Clay return return, then maybe those six fingers were about six days. If not, we know he's somewhere within the next couple of weeks. And uh, I know I'm looking forward to that just about as much as anyone, if not more to reunite with my brother, uh guy who I've played with my entire career, but that I've had the opportunity to win three championships and go in the trenches with every single night. I am looking forward to that. I understand and know what he's been through over these last couple of years, two and a half years, and you know, just seeing all the good the good days, the bad days. It was a roller coaster. I mean it was legitimate a roller coast. Like some days he walked in and he doesn't he wouldn't talk to anyone, Like he just walked in and like just sit there and like going about his business. And then some days he walked in and and he's like loud as hell and want you know, want Toscano Anderson and younger guys like that. Who doesn't really know Clay? He said, Man, I don't know how to read Clay. Like sometimes he say hi to me and he's cool and he talks, and then sometimes he just walked past with his head down and doesn't say anything to anyone, And I'm like, well, the guy who says hi to you, it's probably more of the guy that Clay is. But what you do have to understand is that is also a guy who's dealing with the ultimate frustration, a guy who loves basketball and competing just as much as anyone that has had that snatched away for the last two and a half years while he sit back and watch you and I play the game that he loved so dearly. And so I understand it. Um, I don't think there's any ill will to I know there's no it will to it, because that's just not who Klay Thompson is. But just having to explain that to the guys, and now they're really starting to see Clay and the energy that he brings to the facility, Uh, the energy that he brings to the organization, into this team, because he's just been flying through that facility over the last week or a week or so, and so um, yeah, man, I'm I'm hoping it's January ninth versus the cast. It's it's long overdue, and like I said, he deserves it, and so you know this is gonna be, Uh, it's gonna be monumental. Like the basketball world is waiting for Clay Thompson's return. It's not just the Warriors fans it's not just people in California or NBA fans, the basketball world. It's a way that Clay Thompson's returning where all angels were excited. I can't wait. And uh, obviously for me, that's just furthering me deeper into Pastors Paradise. So what more can I say. I'm thrilled a body. I'm looking forward to my brother's return, and I don't think we're far away. So stay tuned. Play Thompson's return is on the brink. He's coming up, and y'all better watch out. This is going to get interested and it's gonna get really fun. May be fun for you, maybe not, depends on where you're staying, but I definitely think it will be really fun for us. So that's what we got, man, And you know, with without further ado, um, I would like to welcome, as I said before, the legend, the O G. The Oakland Native Seattle supersonic legend, not to be confused with the Okay See Thunder legend, the Seattle supersonic Legend none other than the Glove himself, O G. Gary Payton. See her man, I am honored to have a Hall of Famer Uh A goat the glove man, welcome me to his city, allowed me to come out here and and be at home, you know, and and do great things in this city. Uh in the town, I should say, in the town. Uh you know. Born and raised Oakland, California, Scoytline High School, Oregon State number two pick. And as I said before a Hall of Famer, the glove Man, I am honored to welcome Gary Payton. See her, that is Gary Payton, ser gp was happening. What's going on, my young fellow man? What's happy with you? Man? Nothing much. It's been a rough go at it, not only for the NBA, but I see a lot of people that I know starting to test positive. Man. So just trying to get through that. How are you feeling. I'm feeling good, you know what I'm saying. I'm I'm just staying away from all that. You know. It was coming to company our games and then I stopped coming, man, I said. And I'm around these kids too, you know, because you know, you know our coach Lincoln University, and I'm around these kids, man. So tomorrow is gonna be tough. Our first day coming back from Christmas break, and they're gonna be they're gonna be tomorrow. I'm gonna get them all tested tomorrow to make sure that we are we'll be good. So you know, I'm just trying to be stay away from that too. You know what I'm saying is just unfortunate that you got caught up in that and stuff with that because you don't know who comes around you. You know, awesome crazy stuff like at the game. You know what I'm saying. You don't know, so you know what happened. But I know you'll get through it and you'll fight through what. You'd be fine absolutely. Speaking of of your you coaching, you're coaching that Lincoln University, how's that going for you? I know you know you're just now getting into it and coming in to change the program program around. How's that going? Drell? You know what the good thing about this program is, it is what you're saying to change it. It's a starter program coming out of COVID. You know, you don't have a chance to go or recruit. You don't have there's nothing to do like that. You gotta see kids off of videos And I'm just gonna be honest, this is a different era for me. You know, the different kids are different. You're I'm saying, it's a different era, man, because these kids don't want to work. They think that that you gotta give it to him. And basically, this is not a U. I'm a different coach. I'm a screen i'mnna yelle. I'm gonna get into your in your chest. I'm gonna do that. That's just the way I am. And I gotta have kids that can deal with that, and I gotta recruit kids, and then you gotta worry about sometimes kids who you gotta be sometimes don't go at him that way. You gotta know how to talk to some of these kids. But some of these kids gotta understand. I'm not gonna baby. If you come what you gotta do on the floor, I'll let you do whatever you wanna do, but you're not gonna come in here and have have acid and then think that. I'm gonna just say, okay, cool, know what I'm saying. So it's been it's been a progress, but I think I'm getting through it. I got a great staff with me, and I think we're playing. We're playing okay for a team that we had. That's great. I know we have spoke about me coming over there one of these days, obviously getting through this, but like I said before, just let me know when you know, I love to come through and how I'll talk to you about that. They don't have a privilege to meet me guys like you right now, I think that they need to work. You know what I'm saying you. You are privileged to come and talk to them, and they don't. They don't get that. And you know, but before the years old, I want you to because I got two guys here that I think that we're really benefit from talking to you about how your journey was to get to the NBA, how hardy and tough it was for you to work coming up for what you did. Like what you said this minute, though I have much worse where I stayed at. Just hit that, man. They don't get that to come and become who you have became because you didn't went to most work, more worse things, to see worse things, but you built yourself up to be the person who you are now. Absolutely now I definitely appreciate and speaking of that, uh, you know, just kicking this thing off. I'll be remissed if we don't talk about the young glove young g P the second. Uh you know, I know everyone's asking you questions about him on the floor and obviously we can talk about that. But as a father myself, Um of Dreymond Green Jr. Obviously I have two daughters, but it's you're a father of a daughter as well. It's it's different raising girls than it is boys. And for me, Um, I tried. You know, what I struggle with daily is is what's too much and what's not enough? You know, like what's what's giving him too much and what's not giving him enough? Because the reality is we grow up and you know, you're growing up in Oakland, me growing up in Sacking. All we grow up and I know, for me, my goal it always has been I don't want my kids to live the same life that I lived growing up. But in saying that, I am who I am because of the life that I live and and trying to figure out, um that balance and like, yeah, you're not going to live the life I live, and like I can give you more, but like I still want to teach you how to get it on your own, and like what's hard work and what's determination and how you push through that? Can you give me some insight on that, because that's what I want to know because that is my daily struggling life. And like I said, especially in raising my son more so than my daughters, that's a that's a great question, a great act of advice. You do know that our our daughters are gonna be father guys. They're gonna be father guys. That's just just the way it goes. Our son is gonna be rebellious against us. And I'm telling you right now, your son is gonna be rebellious, can't you Because his name after you, And once he goes to school, people are gonna be like, oh, you're not your dad. You can't be like your dad, and they're gonna tease him, and he's gonna get a lot of he's gonna get mad about that. But because who you are and who I was growing up, and we had the life that we did, we didn't want to give our kids the same lifestyle. Correct, that's very correct. But I I say this, don't give him too much. Make him work for stuff, give him chores, give him things to do, make him go and be with his sisters and pick him up or do something like that. Make him have a responsibility with Gary, Gary is second. He was with me all the time. He learned how to play basketball, he learned how to do the things he was around me. Uh And I compliment you from doing that with Christmas, with your son having enter the band, You're giving him an experience of what he can become and get and that's what you want him to do. But don't give him as much. Don't feed him, don't keep feeding him. Make him work for stuff that he needs to work for. With my son, I think Gary the second it's a good example. He didn't get drafted, he didn't do like the way I was. He came behind me at organ State. He did a great job at the organ State for two years, but then when he got in the NBA, Is struggled for six years. And now he has found a home with you guys at the at the Warriors, because it's a program or organization that fits him, and the coach staff and the players around him fit him. And that's what his struggle was, Bill Bill running around ge leagues and doing that type of stuff and learning how hard it is to struggle. And I'm glad that he struggled, because now he knows how to get through it, and I appreciate the work he did because every summer he had to work work, didn't know what team he's gonna be off, didn't know if he was gonna sign with nobody. Now he's in that position where he can get away from that because he's found that struggle and he felt the way how to work. And I'm glad he worked. But I stay out of his life though. Draymond, which people don't understand, you see it, I don't be around all the time. I let him be Gary, not Gary Payton, because it's only gonna be one Draymond Grain. It's only gonna be one. Gary Payton ain't just named after us, you know what I'm saying. So I tell my son, don't try to be like me, because you can't be next Simmy. Be on the wall next Simmy, and we will be together, you know what I'm saying. So always that way, to just teach him that way. I think this teach his son that way. Let him do what they gotta do. And if he calls or if he asks for some some assistance, yes I'm gonna give him assistance. I'm gonna tell him what's on my mind and what's on my heart. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sugarcoat it with if it's not right, I'm not telling you what's right. If it's wrong, I'm telling you what's wrong. And it's point blank. You don't have to like it. But as you know, I went through this before you d and remember them, and I'm always gonna tell you I went through the ups and downs two and that's just the way it goes. Absolutely Now I appreciate that. Man, It's like I said, that is like I go through that daily. And for me, I tried to talk to UM guys who and just not only former athletes, but really specifically UM African American men who are successful and I look at their their kids and and they're doing great things. And and by the way, it's funny because I was just having a conversation in a group chat with my boys. Great things don't mean money, Like great things don't mean uh, they're making a ton of money. It's how they carry themselves, you know what I'm saying, Like GP young g p uh. You know, GP ain't made a ton of money thus far in his career, but the way he carries himself, the way he goes about his business. You can just tell he's raised right. And so many times you see um younger younger children of wealthy um individuals are rich individuals as we say, um, and they're a wreck, you know, and and and and they don't know who they are. And quite frankly, we all go through that right where we're trying to figure out who we are, you know. But but sometimes you see it at a totally different level and kind of struggling with identity. And but you know, anybody can go through that. You can be raised the exact same way that g P two was raised and go through that. But it says something about the fathers, and so that's something that I definitely wanted to dive into, you know. But um, you know, and speaking uh like I said number two, pick uh the Seattle SuperSonics. Um, you know, I've done my research, but also watched you growing up. You struggle your first couple of years, you figured it out, you become the glove and you're going to make nine straight on NBA teams. What was that key to you figuring it out and then going on and had a career in Hall of Fame, the Hall of Fame career that you had Raymond. You know what, when when I came out, I was very arrogant. I was very brash. I thought I knew everything that was it didn't have no work ethics like that. And what happened was I struggled for two years. But I didn't have the coach that can help me get out of that. I had Casey Jones, who was a coach who came from the boxing who had just won championships. He had Larry, He had Larry Bird, Daddy, Robert Paris, Kevin McKell. You just throw the ball out to them dudes then and they're gonna get it. You know. I'm a young dude coming in at one years old. I don't know what's happening, you know, trying to get it. And I struggled. And I was with Sean Kimp and we were struggling to the Seattle start talking about traders and then actually know the or the on ship came in and said, let's talk YouTube together, what is the problem. And I just said, I just don't have no guidance. You know, I don't have guidance, I don't have no work ethics. I don't want to be here. The coaching staff doesn't support me the way it is. So we changed. Then we changed, you know, we went to George Carl and then George call brought in my savor and like a second father to me. Who who was called? Whose name kim Gurtridge? And when Tim and Gerd took me under his wing and made me go to UH the Summer League, we played in Utah, we played in l A, We played all of them things. And I was in my third year going in the Supper League, and that's what I needed and I needed a work ethics to do different stuff. And I got it. And he put in the post up game to me. He put in me a pressure in the ball ninety four feet. He put in all that stuff in my game and it changed my game. And then the following year we went to the UH that's you Conference finals, lost to Phoenix. I made the All Star team and then I started making them every year after that, you know, and I went nine straight years after that. So it was like, you know, I just needed a change in the guidance and I needed somebody who can push you. And I just had to stop being hearty at it, and I stopped being hardy and I started working out because some of these kids nowadays, they just think that their talent is gonna give it to him. It's not happy because it's more people better than you in the NBA now, So you gotta get better because they're gonna take it from me. And I just started working on my game every every every summer, every chance I had to, and I got better drinking. That's that's that's beautiful. And so you go from there. You you make nine straight. I I have a question for you, though. You won one defensive Player of the Year, and the reality is with a name like the Glove, it's impossible that you only want one defensive player of the year. But um, you know, and I know when you did win Defensive Player of the year, you were one. I think you were the first guard to win defensive player. You made me like eight years or something like that. Guards don't really get that love and more often than not is usually real protecting big man. Uh that get that nigh. And yet, like I said, with a name like the Glove you made you you win one defense player here. That has to be impossible, or else you don't get the name of the Glove. You're clamping people to get the name of the glove. By the way, funny story real quick. The glove shooter came out to zip up. My brother got those. He was in the fifth grade. I was in third grade. I got in trouble at school and I got some terrible nikes. Man, I couldn't get My punishment was that I couldn't get the gloves. So I ended up getting them like my my rookie year of my second year in the league, when they came back out and I actually played the game. And that was a big moment for me in my life because I remember back the third grade when that shoe came out to how to shoot out. It couldn't get to shoot because I got in trouble at school. Man, I had some terrible nikes. My brother, who was like an all a student, got the gloves. He won in the championship game our our elementary school won the championship. He won of them things in the glove man. So I had to share that with you appreciate But you know, and speaking of defensive player here, what do you make of it that a guy like yourself, Um, I feel the same way. I'm in my ten year and I think I should have maybe three or four awards, but nonetheless I have one, and I do understand that. What do you make of that? Well, Draymond, you know what I look at It is this at a point guard position, and I'm the only point guard that ever winning. So it's a difference as a point guard. But you have to change the game. I think me and you are in the same boat because we have to do more to what the winness reward because of the simple fact is is because of our position and to what we do. We changed the game because we change all everything around the game because we can pressure the ball. We can guard this guy. We don't get let people front us. We get our hands on balls, We do diving stuff, We make hustle plays. As what the NBA is going through right now. If a big man and he goes to a rim, they're saying he's a ram protector because he's stopping points going happen. We have to do everything, you know I'm saying to even get a knowledge of that, and people have to pump it up. So that's why more big men win it because they're saying, like, okay, people get beat now. If they beat Draymond and Gary, then the center is protecting him, and he's and he's, he's, he's he's blocking shots, and then he's starting fast breaks. I don't believe in that. I believe in if if a person comes on the scouting report and say, if Draymond guards, if Draymond grass Chris ball all the way up the floor, Chris get the ball to what's calling and he has to start the offense, I think you've done what you've done. Because they're over there now trying to say, man, we're keeping the ball from Draymond. Now, Draymond over here, swing it all the way over to the other side because we don't want him in the office of play. I think you are become a weapon. And that's what it was happening with me and with you when we wanted we change the game the way the people were working. If we get the main person off the ball that don't handle it and get in the offense, then I think we've done what we're supposed to do. And it's it's it's just really it's it's it's it is what it is. Raymond. I get I think you want you should have wanted a lot more too, But they don't go by that. They go by the guy who blocks a lot of shots, who alters the shots and stuff like that. We don't go by the steals and stuff like that, and I think we should they should think about changing that and look at the all around game, look at all the stacks. What Draymond done to change the game of deepness on other teams? Did he disrupt this? Did he do that? Yes? And then we then we'll start getting into it. And I think that's what that's what it should be, no doubt. I um and uh, switching switching tunes just a little bit. Uh, you won two gold medals. I'm starting to realize, Man, our starts lining up a little Our accomplishments lining up a little bit. Now, I ain't got nine all NBA teams, don't chance you you win two gold medals, But one is specific I want to ask about is ninety six. And the reason I want to ask about ninety six is because that's right after the Dream Team, which in my opinion is the greatest USA team, the greatest team ever. Let's bar bar none but for sure, I mean ever, but the greatest USA team I think that's ever been as symboled was the Dream Team. And you come after that in nineties six. What type of pressure was that after coming off of them? Uh, just now allowing NBA players back in the Olympics. You get the Dream Team in Barcelona. We know how that story went. You got all the guys who you end up competing against for all your years. But what what type of pressure was that on y'all coming back in nineties six after the Dream Team had went over there and been so dominant, well dre The only only only pressure put it on us is that we had to be teams the way they got they beat. We knew where we're gonna be teams. We knew where we're gonna blow them out. But they were always comparing us. Are they gonna beat them by forty like they did that average? Yes, they gonna do that. We wouldn't have no doubt in our mind that we were gonna win a gold medal. We just said we're gonna be on our home court, We're gonna be in Atlanta. We had to do the dominance of what they had done. I wasn't worried about that because we had six other players as already was on the Dream Team came to us and we only added six new ones coluded myself, so we were having more fun. To be honest, Raymond, the most competi competition we had was in practice when we played each other. When we played each other, that was that was when we actually we had all the competition. But when we got on the floor, we dominated the game and we started averaging winning by thirty five forty two. So it was no, you know, no question that we were gonna win it. We just wanted to be just like Dream Team one. We had to be. We couldn't be winning by fifteen, couldn't be winning by twenty. We had to win by thirty or four. And that's what we started doing. And we were having fun at it. You know. Like I said, we had six other guys that have already been on the Dream Team, we added six more and and we did it. You know, we swept through that stuff and it was real fun. It was really really fun. Guys. That's incredible. And so you won ninety six and two thousand and you know, I'm just moving moving up your incredible timeline here. Then the No. Three uh oh three. A lot of people tried to um compare this Lakers team today, which is lebron a d Russ a reason, Dwight Howard, obviously a lot of guys who um have or will be Hall of Fame players. Uh. And when they assembled this team, a lot of people said, oh man, this is like the two thousand and three teams where they had Kobe and Shock and they had a GP, they had a car Malone, they had it, all of these guys, and they didn't win a championship. Now, obviously this season isn't over for them, and obviously it's not going the way that they wanted to go. But I thought it was kind of crazy when everybody decided to compare y'all to them, because number one, Kobe and Shock were still there in their prime, where Lebron is still a great player, Like Lebron is still one of deep, if not the best player in the NBA. You can always make that argument arguably the greatest player of all times. You can make that argument, But he is in your nineteen if I'm not mistaken, And so they weren't in their prime. So right there alone, I thought was different. Um where you know, y'all got them too young hogs and and the prime going at it, and you were still rolling to like you continued on after that as well. And I think the only like Malone was older at that point, it was yeah he was wear older Draymond, and you got you got that right. I was just only in my thirteen season. That was it. I was only my thirteen season, so I was still rolling. I had just came off the All Star team. I had did all that. I was just having twenty three four points or whatever, and and and went there, and all of a sudden what happened was that we had a lot of different stuff going on. I mean, remember Kobe had got in trouble in Denver, a shot was was feuding with Dr Bucks and then Carl got hurt. And guess what, Draymond, he still made the championship, still made a championship. I was one on the team that played all eighty two games. I was the one who directed all the stuff, and we had players that came in and fit in. I don't think this Laker team is nothing like our team in two thousand three at all. I think we had players that knew their role. I think the Laker team right now is they hurt too. They're very hurt hurt. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them are not playing, and I don't think Russ is playing the way that he should be playing. It's a new thing to him to go and uh and be the man so long and then you gotta go with a D and Lebron and you gotta give them the ball. He's so much dominant on the basketball that he's not doing the things he didn't. I think he's thinking too much. I just went to the game. I just went to the game the other night. One and Washington played in San Antonio, and I think he thinks it's too much, you know what I'm saying. And they rely on Lebron so much that they're watching him, you know what I'm saying. They don't play the way that you guys play. Like if people cut, move and do that, they're watching the basketball too much. And I just think the team is not that way. I think our guys were. Kobe was in his prime. He was a dog. You know, he can come out and get fifty anytime he wanted to. Shock could dominic the inside. Myself as a point guard was running. We were running a triangle, which was new to me and Carl. But Carl got hurt and when he missed sixty games. He missed sixty two games, and that was bad. It was crazy. We were eighteen and two when he got hurt, eighteen and two and he got hurt, so it was it was crazy for us. And then all of a sudden shock mrs forty games, Kobe, Mrs thirty seven. So you know, that was just crazy for us. But I don't think this team that the Lakers got or nothing like us. I think we were we were more in our prime. A lot of us was way more in our prime than they worked. And I but I you know, the guys on there and there and now Dreyma like you said, Carmelo Westbrook, all of them, dudes, Affy, all of them gonna go to the Hall of Fame, and they're hurt. They're just hurt right now. And it's just a struggle. And it's hard to put a team like that together. And your diyes are not healthy. And you know, people always ask me, like who do you worry about? In the West Phoenix, You talk like, uh, you know, pevious and you tare really good teams, Like I think you know when you roll down to it in the end, conference find those all that those two teams will possibly be right there with us. I have no doubt in my mind about that. But I always tell people like, you still gotta worry about the Leakers, Like they still got Lebron James, they still got Anthony, the days, they still got Russell Westbrook, they still got Carmelo Anthony. They still have gods that can beat you, and you can go on about it about your day and your life, your months up until the playoffs, and thinks that they aren't to be dealt with as a player, as someone who got to face those guys, someone in the same division, those guys still have to be dealt with. There's too much talent uh on that basketball court, on that team to not have to deal with those guys. So you're talking probably legitimately six Hall of Famers, right, You gotta deal with those guys. So I don't really make too much of what's going on right now and what people are saying, you still gotta deal with those guys. But I do think Russell's overthinking it a little bit, and I understand it. Also, Obviously I'm not who Russell Westbrook is. I don't have the ball as much or never having my career as Russell Westbrook does. But I do understand the sacrifices that it takes when you're playing with guys like that that gotta that that should have the ball. I understand the sacrifice to take and trying to find that balance. From me, I completely stopped shooting, like totally stop shooting because you're just trying to find that balance to get those guys the ball. So I definitely understand it a little bit. You know, where he's coming from or what he's dealing with. I understand that. But you know, so, so y'all are expected to win the finals. Uh shout out to the Pistons. Detroit Pistons go on to win the finals. Uh State of Michigan, baby, you know I respect that. Um. They go on to win the finals, and then you you you eventually you you signed with the Heat, and y'all go on. Then you y'all go to Boston. You go to Boston for a year one season, then you eventually you signed with the Heat. Y'all go on to win the championship. And I thought one of the most interesting things about that championship was as great as Shock was the way it was the guy the way absolutely was the guy. Yeah, let me give you a story about that. We were struggling, Draymond from all for the whole year. We're struggling from day one. We're just like the Lakers. Now, we were struggling. They were giving criticism to pat Riley about putting this team together. But all guys who are older, they all in their in their lates, you know, everybody had a time and they and they in their times and their teams or whatever, and they were they were criticizing us. Van Gundy steps down, pat Riley takes over. I'm the oldest one on this team. Now I'm the oldest states so I feel like this. I started seeing Shack be mad about we're not getting in the ball, and I just told Shack, I said, Shack, listening little what young fella did last year. You see how I took over stuff. Many they've lost in the in the way in the Eastern Conference finals. You guys lost in the cup finals. That's why Pat came and put all of us together. He wanted a championship. We're here that we got to stop this. Man. I said, Man, we're gonna make him be the first year period. You gotta do this for me and I told Shock, I said, do this for me. Just let him be the first year. Let him go and do him. If we get you on the block, just get there and score. And when he agreed to it and and bid in man the way, I ain't never seen nobody before him like this ever. He had things as thirty five, and I was like, this is incredible because this young kid was giving them the blues and he was making shots everywhere, getting to the whole duncan. And he guided us all the way to that championship. And what it was is just like you guys right now, Grandma. We had he had four guys around him that was ready for him to do whatever we were ready to do. We were ready for if he passed into us here at a shot. We were playing defense. We told him, going to corner, get you some rest, guard the weakest man over there, and we'll have everything else in the control. And that's when we start being a team. And then we just rode through the Eastern Conference and then all of a sudden we got in the championship. Dallas got up too old, and then we buckled down and then we beat the fourth straight and then uh and that was beautiful Uh, incredible congratulations. I always like to say that to any champ because people don't understand how hard it is to win a championship man. And as someone who who's at the opportunity to win a few championships, I am starting to have an appreciation for guys that had great careers and didn't win. And the reason being is because people try to judge guys off like, oh, you didn't you didn't end up winning one, like all that don't count. It's so hard to win the championship man, AND's so many things has to go right in order for you to win a championship, and people don't really understand that. Like I said on a few weeks back, you know, people are talking about Chris Paul, so he never won a championship. Chris Paul is a winner. And you can say whatever you want about Chris Paul. He hasn't won a championship and that's not unfortunate, and he still has an opportunity too, But he's a winner. He is a winner. He's one every team that Chris Paul has been on, he's made that team a better team. I spoke about they sent him the okay see to essentially die on his deathbed, and not only did he resuscitate himself, he took that team in the playoffs. And because of what he did there, Sam Presty got him to a place in Phoenix where he can have the type of success that they are having last year and this year. So that's that's a very interesting thing that I think people don't really realize is how hard it is to win that championship. But in saying that, you go to Miami, you win and championship. I think for myself and for most people, if you're a basketball fan Gary Payton, you're always going to associate Gary Payton with the Seattle supersis. That's just why I did it, and Uh, and I think you may feel the same way. M You you openly UH expressed that you had no desire to have your jersey retired to Oklahoma City and and even more importantly, you've been very outspoken about getting Seattle a franchise back. UH, and both of those things. If if they were to get a franchise back, which I think they will and I hope they do, incredible city, Yum, would you would you would you be into coaching, uh, Seattle Supersidics franchise or or front offers of that franchise. Yes, very much, Dreymond. I would love to go back to Seattle and give them fans what they what they deserved. They should have never lost a team in the first place. Just bad ownership that was happening during the time where it just it went down as soon as I got traded. That ownership took that team to to a load, a very very bad load, and and and then happens. You know. But but you know, you gotta think about I never played for Oklahoma, So why would I get a fans any kind of opportunity to go in there and say, and why my name rapping and your raptors where I never played that. That's nothing that I would want to do. Seattle is what I'm I'm about. Seattle made me. They made me for thirteen seasons. Who I am? They made be a Hall of Famer, you know, they made me a top set me five. They made me that type of person. So I would never disrespect Seattle in no kind of way of doing that to the fans. So if and when it does come back, and I know it will, yes, I'm gonna be a part of that. That that that organization to keep that going and keep the people going and get our basketball back. Like you said, Drama, that is a great city of beautiful I still got businesses out in there in Seattle. You know, our restaurants out there, So I'm I'm very happy. I'm there all the time, and you know I'm looking to move back. I wanted to the city. Man. You know what I'm saying. I might be in California, but I love ya. You know what I'm saying. I don't care about the rain. I don't care about that. That's a beautiful city. And yes, I would go back in a heartbeat. That's that's beautiful. Uh. Before we get out of here, I know I've taken a bunch of your time. I got one last question for you, and the reason I love is you know I really want to ask this question. I should say it is because I don't know where I am. I didn't even want to look it up because I think it would have ruined my day. But you're four for all time and technical files. Obviously I got my first text myself, UM, do you know who the three guys are before you? Ahead of you, I should say, I think it's Rashid Wallace, he's number one. I think Dennis Rodman. Uh huh, and it can't be you this to this quick, No, I ain't got enough year you ain't. And who else is called along? Okay, so as you calm alone, well like you said Rashid, then you got calm along Chuck. Oh it's Charles. Chuck Challs used to get a lot of texts too, man, Yeah he did. He's always talk crazy man. Yeah. Yeah, I thought dinnis Robert because he was getting crazy at times. Man. Yeah, Chuck, I Beleeve Charles, I Beleeve Charles. Yeah, because I know it was number one Call. I know Call had a lot of them. And then I didn't know Chuck though. I thought I thought Chuck was below me. But yeah, it's cool. Yeah it's that man. We used to get text man, I'll tell you I used to get him all the time. You know how y'all get like fourteen fifteen to get suspending. I have been suspending bout four times. Man. Oh yeah, I was getting them mad. I didn't care. Hey, I tell you what. And looking at that list, obviously to three Hall of famers, one who I think should be a Hall of Fame member she Wallace, who was an incredible, incredible player, incredible talent. And I hope he do get that now one day. But I'll tell you what if me getting the text means I can end up in that conversation with a group of guys, come on, NBA, I tell you the text. I tried lessening them things, but once I saw this list, I need to be out there so that one's gonna help me get to the Hall of Fame. Put me right up there with those guys. I'll take it. Hey, man, look do what you do. Man, if you feel like you could do what you know how to control it. I did the same thing, man. I just you know, like I would always call, I would always talk to you when I see I just said, when it's time for you to calm down, just calm down, Just go over to the referees and talk to him. And I've seen you done that in the last couple of years. Is where you're having a better relationship with the with the referees. Once you do that, they'll give you one every now and then. Who cares who kids? Who cares about that? You know what I'm saying. It's just that you have to learn yourself. All right, it's not the right time for me to get a tech for my team. You know what I'm saying. Let me just go ahead and do this. But I'm gonna get this one because I think this is crazy. You know what I'm saying. Ain't nothing wrong that I did that all my career. I did it all my career draped. Man. I used to go to referee board and say, look here, I ain't have a good game, man, give me a tech. Man, you know what. Understanding you know what I'm saying. Just make it look like you just you know. We we argue, but it's like that, man, it's your emotions. You just played from the heart. Black, I did play from the heart. You can't play no other way. It is what it is. If you get in that moment, man, you get into that. People have to understand that you are a winner. You do not want to lose. And you think that the cause was bad with some of them and mostly of them. Be back, you know what I'm saying. So don't worry about it, man, keep playing your game. Don't change your ways. Man, change what you do if it's gonna make you get better. It's gonna make you do what you gotta do, do it. It doesn't matter as long as you're being productive with it and y'all winning. Don't worry about nothing else. Absolutely, man o G. I appreciate you coming on. I thank you for taking the time. Basketball legend, NBA legend, hall of Famer, but more importantly to me, city there I love dearly A town legend, town been a g P. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it, appreciate you always. I felt like any time you want me, man, you know you come get me man. You know, let's do that dominant. Thank again, Max Bones on them people, Yes, sir, Yes, always love Wow. I hope y'all enjoyed that interview as much as I enjoyed that interview. I hope you took some things away that I was able to take away, because, like I told you, one of my favorite questions and one of the things that I wanted to know the most as a father of two little girls. But also but as you saw my son, that's just something that I want to know because it's something that I struggle with daily on always trying to just trying to figure out, like, am I too hard on him? And Am I not hard enough on him? Um? Am I giving him too much? Am I not giving him enough? Is it's just right? There's no right answer, there's no there's no handbook that someone gives you and say, Harry, Harry, here this this is parents in one on one. It just doesn't work that way. It is trial and error. As a parent. You're just going with what you think is best. Like your mom, your dad, whoever can tell you all that they want about being a parent, and ultimately you're still going to go with what you think is best for your child because a part of that is also you knowing your child right, and you build it in that relationship with him, and you knowing what buddons depressed, what buddon is not depressed. You know how something may bother him or her or how it may not like that is parenting. It is no hand book that's anyone gives you. People give you a little advice, and then you have to figure it out from there. And so I was extremely thankful for the way g P answered that question in particular, but just also him sharing, um, you know his love for Seattle and how he would get back into it if that or if that city got an organization back speaking on his current team and the job that he's doing and trying to recruit in those struggles. I thought it was incredible. I was extremely, extremely pleased with the interview. And but more so than please honor too to go to school, because that's what it was for me. It was school, um, taking in knowledge from one of the O G s and seeing what can I use to apply to my own personal life to apply to my career. I thought it was incredible, and uh, you know, I I never ever get tired of getting when I had an opportunity of talking to Gary Payton Senior, it's always a treat and so I hope that's what y'all took away from it as well. Uh And obviously you know here and I gotta run. We always got a standard domino game going on. We're always looking forward to that. By the way, new show coming out Throwing Bones, and GP is one of the guests on one of the episodes, So make sure you're tuning in the Throwing Bones that's coming out later this week Thursday, and I think it will be a great show. It is, Uh, you know, we're sitting there chopping it up playing dominoes. I absolutely love playing dominoes. Whoever's out there listening to think they can throw them bones how all at me? Because you can't. I promise you you can't. I play like a like the best domino players I've ever seen are in prison or did time in prison, and I played like those guys. So tee me if you want to. But that's a rap. Another episode of Draymond Green Show, Episode eight, I'm Out. We got Dallas coming up this week, check it out. We got the Pelicans coming up this week, trying to close in on a three and oh week and I think it's well within reach and we go play our game. So until next week, Much love, Draymond Green Show. I'm Out.